>Demons are evil, no bullshit grey moral>interesting magic system based on scientific logic >non humans are actually rare Name a medieval show with better worldbuilding than Frieren. You can't.
Wouldn't exist without Mushoku Tensei paving the way.
>>284860020>>Demons are evil, no bullshit grey moralThe Demons have all manners of inconsistencies written into them. Their depiction is a wild mess.>>interesting magic system based on scientific logicThere is no hint of scientific logic in this magic system. Especially once it introduced this idea of "imagining" a spell, and then completely forgetting about it. The magic in this world does not make any sense.>>non humans are actually rareNot inherently good world-building. Considering how there seems to be just one human culture, it seems like the author is just lazy.
>>284860020what's scientific about frieren's magic?They describe offhand that "le heckin magic scholars studied Zoltraak for years and now it's common!" but they never ever explain what about it or anything else in magic they even have to study. Their entire magic system can be explained as: "Think about spell, say spell, spell costs mana, elves have the most mana, if you hide your mana then demons underestimate you"that last point especially, frieren hiding her mana around demons despite that being such a basic and obvious trick is the one and only point Flamme and Serie the supposed greatest masters of magic ever, ever teach us - as the audience - about magic.
>>284860065Word is even Tolkien took a page or two from MT while writing his magnum opus
>>284860020I want Frieren to do something about triple captchas.
>>284860020Spice and Wolf
>>284860207she's waiting for borgr
>>284860182That explains why Sam ended the story with a threesome with his cousin and two other chicks
>>284860099>>The Demons have all manners of inconsistencies written into them. Their depiction is a wild mess.You are just retarded and slow>>There is no hint of scientific logic in this magic system. Especially once it introduced this idea of "imagining" a spell, and then completely forgetting about it. The magic in this world does not make any sense.You are just retarded and slow>>Not inherently good world-building. Considering how there seems to be just one human culture, it seems like the author is just lazy.You are just retarded and slow.
>>284860020>Demons are evil, no bullshit grey moralThat isn't good worldbuilding, that's basic shit that has been done for millennia>interesting magic system based on scientific logicThat was mentioned only once, all other times magic was the power of imagination>Name a medieval show with better worldbuilding than FrierenEven Ishuzoku Reviewers has better worldbuilding than Frieren and that one is basically porn
>>284860065You mean Fate, the original native isekai
>>284860316Based brilliant and fast anon
>>284860182based timeleaping Rudeus Greyrat, teaching them unga bunga Indoeuropean tribes about the Elven wind goddess Sylphiette.
>>284860020Overlord has the best world building.
>>284860515If we are considering only dragon quest inspired isekai/native isekai/narou kei garbage in general it's probably, unironically true.
>>284860153>but they never ever explain what about it or anything else in magic they even have to study.You are just retarded and slow
>>284860608It could be the best of all time but the anime skips a lot of stuff, the novel is goated.Or it was, the elf kingdom arc was boring.
>>284860020>Name a medieval show with better worldbuilding than FrierenThe real world.
>>284860706Real world don't have brat demons like Aura
>>284860020>>interesting magic system based on scientific logicThere isn't anything scientific about magic in Frieren. Every spell is an arbitrary superpower that works on vibes, and 90% of them are variations of elemental blasts.>Name a medieval show with better worldbuilding than Frieren. You can't.Dungeon Meshi actually feels like it takes place in a place with real history and where aspects of the world interact with eachother.
>>284861376>food analogy(You)
>>284862818>Food analogy
>>284861376Isn't Dungeon Meshi just D&D with an autistic main character?
>>284860020Not watching isekaislop sorrry.>But its chuddy and BASEDOk cool. Not watching it though.
>>284863457So just dnd
>>284860020>magic systemFrieren has a magic system?
>>28486002012 kingdoms.
>>284860020>interesting magic system based on scientific logicYou fucking serious?
>>284864088>no argument>>284863970Yes it does ESL
>>284860020Nobody, not a single fucking soul, not in any way, gives a single shit about worldbuilding though, Frieren is good for its characters.
>>284860020>>non humans are actually rareHow is this good world building?
>>284860065>pedotensei fags actually believe this
>>284860182If you look into it, even the Old Testament took inspiration from Mushoku Tensei.
>>284866060>good for its charactersgood for its high production quality*
>>284860020Magic systems are retarded bullshit for morons who want to pretend their smarter than the genre even though they completely miss the fucking point. Also>Dude visualization, lol clothISN'T A SYSTEM.
>>284866270Anything beyond "is magic, ain't gonna explain shit" is a garbage magic system, yeah.
>>284866955True.
>>284860153Google scientific method. Reread Frieren.Youre welcome, tard.
>>284860020>Demons are evil, no bullshit grey moralHow is this interesting?
>>284866211thisi never would have watched Frieren if not for that animation. and the music.sure as shit wasnt for the story
>>284867235>my le redemption of villains is le engligthtened story telling they are so le misunderstood and le noblekys zoomoid
>>284866211SEXO with FernAnd Stark
>>284866211SEXO witg FernAnd FrierenAnd LinieAnd UbelAnd Laufen
>>284867235I mean generally you'd have the demon act as some form of temptation against the fallibility of humanity, e.g Faustus. Here it's just LOL WE BAD.
>>284867401>Frierenfag is a projecting retard that can't into anything more morally complex than a saturday morning cartoonFigures.
>teleports between completely interchangable locations with names that never show up again good worldbuilding is the last thing I associate with Frieren
>>284867674That or be nigh-unstoppable forces of nature.Frieren does neither because that would require a sense of coolness from the author.
>>284866060That's what anime really is about and what makes it different from western shows. It's all about the characters.
>>284860020Dragon ball and one piece better in all the 3 parameters
>>284868034>w-why isn't frieren like (shonenslop)zzZ
>>284860065This but unironically. Frieren is a comfy show, but its very shallow. Its essentially pure fantasy slice of life. MT does something that basically no other fantasy or isekai really manages to do, which is actual drama with actual characters.
>>284868555>Liking Frieren over Bastard
>>284867674Frieren demons don't even make sense as such simplistic baddies. There is no absolute morality in Frieren, its one of these shows that directly or indirectly espouses nihilism, except even in a nihilist show your worldbuilding would include a reason for demons being the way they are. In Frieren demons have somehow evolved and developed to trick, cheat and murder other sentient beings capable of reasoning and language not because of a need for nourishment or even competition for resources but.. they just have okay?! >nah bro they're actually mindless animalsExcept they're shown not to be time and time again, they have complex social structures, wage war on a large scale, etc. So how does this fit together? It just doesn't. Its absolutely shit tier worldbuilding. Fucking Beastars has more logical worldbuilding than Frieren.But whatever I still watch it because Serie is sexo.
>>284860314I quit after the first book. Sam has a cousin?
One of the best animes ever made.
>>284867197the scientific method is hypothesis, testing then analysis. As has already been said in this thread, Frieren's magic system has nothing to do with testing or experimentation, it's "imagine it, say it, do it"
>>284860020>medieval show>19th century suitcases, fashion, architecture and 20th century foodPenisCock, even
>>284869542>it's "imagine it, say it, do it"There's one character who can do this. For everyone else it's only a theory. What does it mean to be a theory? They did "hypothesis, testing then analysis" to then arrive at the conclusion that magic is "imagine". QED.
>>284869693Total fucking copout
>>284866210And God said "go sleep with your brothers wife and you had better come inside" I see Rudeus hand all over it
>>284869173No one complained when goblin slayer did it
>>284871390The Goblins are consistent.
>>284869693>Frieren is set in the 19th centuryRetardest post of 2025
>>284872984You have poor reading comprehension.
>>284860020Frieren magic seems to work like Espers in raildex though. With things just working as long as your internal logic says it would.
>>284869693>>medieval showproof it's medieval??
>>284860020>Demons are evil, no bullshit grey moralBut they are morally grey, it's quite clear that Frieren is just a massive racist.>interesting magic system based on scientific logic ubel
>>284871251Magic is conviction, it's belief.All this nonsense, is just a way to convince yourself that something works.
>>284873583>that Frieren is just a massive racist.Based
>>284860099>Considering how there seems to be just one human cultureOnly watched the anime, so maybe a manga reader can explain further, but wasn't there a continent spanning empire? A monoculture, or at the very least a homogenous group of cultures seems plausible. It would be more interesting to contrast the change of human culture from an elf's perspective. I do agree that when the characters speak about 'The North' and the remaining 'Empire' it doesn't seem as if they are referring to anything besides the location of a kingdom, but this may stem from Japan's own feudal past lacking the difference that were present in Europe.
>>284868909>MT does something that basically no other fantasy or isekai really manages to do, which is actual drama with actual characters.I hope to god you mean in anime/manga
>>284860020The magic system is wishy washy hand wavey nonsense that doesn't like to explain itself any more than it has to and every time it did after Qual was badI like Frieren, but no
>>284866270If you don't get the point of a magic system you aren't qualified to talk about fantasy
>>284874663Magic systems are a modern fantasy invention.
>>284868555>>w-why isn't frieren like (shonenslop)>Anywhere here's our multi episode exam arc where we shoot lasers.
>>284875587The exam arc was nothing like shounen
>>284875962>The exam arc was nothing like shounenonly if you don't count HxH and Naruto as shounen.
>>284868555Frieren is literal shounenslop but set on some shitty discarded DQ shit world. >muh mana powerlevels >muh aurafarming>muh tournament arcs>muh fightfagging
>>284867235>How is this interesting?How is aliens interesting? Or predator? Or terminator.The inflexibility of an adversary's position is what makes for an interesting challenge. They have no choice but to confront them with total victory or they will be killed.
>>284860020Name a mediocre series with a more obnoxious and insecure fanbase of retards. You can't
>>284868555Oh but Frieren is a shonen. You just got tricked into thinking otherwise by how slow and muted it is.
>>284863457No, it's completely different from D&D for anyone who is remotely familiar with either.
>>284876608Those examples are actually cool and threatening. The demons in Frieren aren't.Yautja also have their own honor code, consistent culture, and are able to function as protagonists, so bad comparison there.
>>284860020Frieren has no named countries and a country that is literally called The Empire
>>284867966The manga actually tells you how much time passes inbetween them moving locations almost a fucking year has passed since the first chapter
>>284876709>frieren is muh shonen and that's very bad >now let me complain about every not typically battle shonen element in the show ree it is too slow
>>284876608>How is aliens interesting? Or predator? Or terminator.PRESENTATION!
>>284860020>interesting magic system based on scientific logic
>>284867347Yeah, I know your kind are ironic dweebs, thanks for confirming my suspicions.
>>284866211love that shit
