I'm disappointed that there's not a bigger number of manga that's horny as all hell, but also has a decent story. I know animu and mango has a reputation for gratuitous panty shots, and overly hot characters, but I'm talking about doing more "hardcore" work, while also retaining a story that you can actually get invested in and care about. It's either full on porn with no real story, or it's a real story and the "lewd" is just "slightly suggestive", ya know, the usual: Girls are taking a bath and steam and hair is covering all the bits, and the most raunchy you get is one girl teasing another by groping her boobs. I want more quality stories with hardcore action. Here's some I'm aware of:>Nozokia AnaProbably my favourite example, not quite hardcore, but very sexy with a top tier story>kiss x sisStory is your average harem comedy, but it's decently raunchy, lots of piss, though. >Mato Seihei no slavePretty okay shonen story, decent lewd but sadly censored>Redo of healeryour average isekai, but more rapey>Isekai meikyuu de harem woSame as above but less rapey>Noraneko Shoujo to no KurashikataNot sure if I can count this, it ~kinda~ has an overarching story, but it feels too much like each chapter is just an opportunity for them to fuck, but it has some cute-ish moments in between.>Blade PlayMore Isekai + sex>seishokukiGirl has to fight mascot monsters, the sexier she is the stronger her fighting ability. super raunchy.>World's end harem >Parallel ParadiseWorlds ruled by women, who go crazy over the only male in the story. It's kinda hard to draw the line between "What's a good story based manga that also works like porn" and "That's just porn with a bit more/better story than average". But I think "You know it when you see it" applies here. Do you think this "genre" will become more popular? Will we ever see a big upsurge in manga that's worth reading if you took either the porn or the story out, but works great because it combines the two?
>>284998348I've read most of these and all are pretty bad, Blade Play was great and I only started reading Seishokuki like one week agoI'd say Futoku no guild qualifies as a good one but it's only like 20% focused on the smutYuusha ga shinda is great if you don't hate japanese humorNukenai Seiken chan is not a good story per se but it's better than most ero trash, about the same as Blade play but way shorter
>>284998348I can tell you exactly why, it's because editors are retarded.They genuinely think the tropes that everyone is tired of and hates, even in japan,(AKA: highschool, sexless protags, shallow power systems, etc) are actually the things that SELL manga instead of kill it.Out of touch editors and producers is such an industry-wide problem that mangakas frequently talk about it on japanese social media and made it a trope in any manga that deal with the manga industry. Saki-K is an example, the MCs father is a parody of how Editors genuinely act.
>>284998583The industry retards are also the ones artificially pushing NTR into everything. The main audience to that shit was always women in japan, but the retards keep pushing it into manly male audience spaces like shonen and seinen.
>>284998348Nozoki Ana is pretty rare in that regard. The rest is over-serialized slop.
>>284998521The quality of most of them is not amazing I agree. But I do think Nozoki ana especially stands out as a good manga + smut combo. kiss x sis highly depends on your tolerance of harem comedy, and piss, but I wouldn't call it bad either. I think usually the Isekai tend to be the worst (just like regular manga), because the story often boils down to: "What if you were one punch man minus the irony & parody part". >Nukenai Seiken ChanDoes this get any more explicit? From what I've seen it's pretty tame all around. more "suggestive" than actually raunchy. >>284998583I mean I guess it's the same shit as video games. "oh, looter shooter battle pass games make a ton of money! Make more of those!" People checking off boxes of what made the most money last time, to try and sell the new stuff. >>284998665I do agree that Nozoki Ana is probably by far the best in this list. And also probably the only one I would recommend to a normie.
>>284998693>Does this get any more explicit?sadly, no
>>284998737Shame, that. I wonder why it's so rare to find more nozoki ana tier smut.
>>284998348>manga Imagine looking for something this inferior medium can barely offer when you have a superior one with tons of it.
>>284998693>People checking off boxes of what made the most money last time, to try and sell the new stuff.The issue is, they don't chnge even when the new product proves to make no money, because japanese work culture makes it so admitting you were wrong leads to NEVER GETTING PROMOTED AGAIN.Every time they make a shit decision, they come up with a million reasons it's someone else's fault and the company is stuck continuously investing in a dead-end.
>>284998806>VNsI don't know, I'm just not much into VNs at all. I never liked the pacing, and general feel of them. To me manga feels immersive. My brain imagines the flow from panel to panel like I'm actually watching it, I can get into it heavily, I'm there. With VN it feels like I'm reading what is happening while looking at a still image, with the most obvious music playing. And when there is voice acting / sounds, I have the same issue I have with actual hentai: I dislike fake fucking sounds. I can hear the fake moans absent of any actual pleasure. and even worse the wet slopping noises that clearly are not coming from actual sex, but are created by god knows what in a studio. Some dude jamming his arm into some pudding and slapping water melons or something. Who knows.No, I'd much rather read manga, where enough blank space is left for my imagination to fill in the blanks.
>>284998348Thank you for the recs>>284998806because your shitty VNs can't depict action in the way manga can. And the anon is not looking for porn with barely a story (ie a VN) but the opposite
>>284998926I don't think that's just Japanese culture, I think it's corporate greed culture. It has made money ONCE, it can make money AGAIN. That's why they keep giving movies to Alex Kurtzman. "Hey, he made a hit once, right? Lets just keep giving him billion dollar IPs to ruin!" Same again in gaming: World of Warcraft made billions of dollars, how many WoW clones got shat out and died before people realized you can't just make "another world of warcraft" and get rich? In Anime most recently we have the Isekai trend. Isekai style has existed since basically forever Inyuasha was Isekai. But now some Isekai made big money with SAO and BOOM, everyone writes their own god damn Isekai story, and now we're drowning in: "I got reincarnated as X" type stories. And a majority of them feature the same boring ass: "The Protagonist is one punch man" style, where the hero unbeatably strong, and can overcome every obstacle easily.
>>284998348my tastes have been warped way too hard for me to find any such attempt worth readingi need a porn artist to hyperspecialize in a way that makes it hard for them to also contribute to a good story
>>284999488I don't know. I get what you mean, I have some of that when I'm looking for just porn, but there's something about having an actual honest to god attempt at writing a good story, and then having highly sexual things happen. >Mato Seihei no slaveFor instance, I do *love* how it starts out slightly suggestive, and then the more power the MC musters, the raunchier the result is afterwards. It's just a shame it's completely defanged by censoring everything. Or kiss X sis. I was never much into the harem stuff, but having a harem manga that actually gets a bit more explicit is pretty great, I just wish they went further. I can't quite put my finger on what makes story + smut so great, but I'm always unreasonably happy when I find a good example, and always bummed when I find something that seems like a good example but the lewd side is completely defanged.
I hate these semi porn things. If i want to be blueballed i'll live my life. If i want porn i'll look at actual porn
>>284999698Anon, my point exactly is that I enjoy these manga who have a good story, and go FURTHER than being semi-porn blue ball bullshit. The good ones from the list I posted do try to have an actual real story, but then also are pretty explicitly pornographic, no blue balls. There's plently of pages from seishokuki, or Parallel Paradise I wouldn't be able to post on a blue board.
>>284999672Mato is censored in the anime? Even in BDs?Good thing I didn't bother
>>285000134I don't know about the anime, I just read the manga and every one I found had the nipples censored out by white spots.
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>>285000159It's all uncensored on volume release
>>285000634Huh. I guess I need to find a different place to read it then, I'm using a tachiyomi shootoff on an old tablet, and the sources I found for that one all have these annoying censors. If it looks like that, I might give it another go. Can I get a bit of spoonfeeding and ask you to tell me what website you found this on?
The closest you'll get is RPGmaker porn games
>>284998348>I'm disappointed that there's not a bigger number of manga that's horny as all hellRead more instead of whining, casual.
>Nozokia AnaIt's just a cocktease manga with slightly dirtier teasing. Like Kiss x Sis. They suck for the same reason so I'm not surprised that you like both, apparently that doesn't bother you. It's really structurally no different from the most cliche, by the numbers, shounen romcom. There's a difference in degrees (the sexy bits) but not structure.
>>284998348sundome
>>285001310I like Nozoki Ana, because the story is just plain good, and it gets pretty raunchy.Kiss X sis is okay story wise, and yeah, it's mostly dirtier teasing, there's some pretty wild scenes like the MC getting a blowjob under the desk while talking to another woman, or him actively fingering his sisters, but again not shown directly.Yes, both of these could be way more explicit, and that's kinda the point of the thread, right? I'm not saying "these are the pinnacle of porn", I'm saying "these go a bit further than you usually expect from the genre, but I want the genre to go further, be more explicit". Like some of the other candidates I mentioned. My point is that there are not really many *good* examples of a great enjoyable story, combined with explicit pornographic material, but I thought it was worth mentioning these two for the reasons I named. I fully agree with you anon. I wish there was more that went further.
>>284998951>And the anon is not looking for porn with barely a story (ie a VN)you've never read a VN in your life
>>284998348>Nozokia AnaTrash taste. Anyway, try filtering the erotica + seinen category on mangadex or any other site. There are plenty of long running stories with hardcore sex.
>>285001694Nozoki ana is in your pic with an 8.38 rating.
>>285001759Those are user ratings, not mine. There are worse manga than Nozoki Ana in that picture.
>>285001831My point is: Why do you call it trash? By all accounts it's pretty good, specially for something smutty. And it seems like a lot of users agree.
>>284998348Read Matsumoto Jiro's stuff.
>>285001694I don't see a lot of sex there and an abundance of thing's like stinky soap and boku girl where there's really barely anything there. Ghost chick doesn't even get her tits out. 10:1 ratio of that stuff vs stuff like sundome in your image. Not feeling it, your post and advice is too lazy he'd have to dig for stuff.
>>285001882The protagonist is the typical self-insert character with no personality who manages to have a bunch of women chasing after him for no reason whatsoever. He's also a cheater. Main girl is an unlikeable slut. I'm just giving you some guidance so you can find more stuff by yourself. Your tastes are not the same as anyone else's so I don't expect them to match. If you can tolerate "female writing," smutty josei is more explicit and gets dirty way faster.>>285001985>Ghost chick doesn't even get her tits out???
>>285001985OP here, yeah that's a general problem when I look for stories I've described. There is an ABUNDANCE of "lewd" and "suggestive" manga, it's basically impossible to run out of manga that gives you panty shots, or girls running into guys and ending up with their boobs/panties in their faces. But to find stuff that's actually X rated, while also having a decent story? Thin on the ground.
>>285002166The other one. Kana's problem is its axed at like 20 chapters.
>>285002166>protagonist is the typical self-insert character with no personality who manages to have a bunch of women chasing after himAnd the majority of the manga on the list you posted have the exact same problem as well. In fact, something like Imaizumin is the blandest, most generic harem slop possible. I still like it though.
>>285002166I mean, shitass protagonists is kind of a plight on manga across the board.
Anyone remember what is the name of that manga of a brother and sister, the sister is red-haired, and the MC can make things erect and starts to fuck every and anyone?
>>285002545For origin of this issue see anon's comments here: >>284998583 >>284998926Dumbass corpos have convinced themselves that bland self-insert and/or beta-cuck protags are a Selling Point, instead of a tired trope even japanese otaku are sick of.
>>284998947Officer, here’s the low attention span zoomer. Please escort him to the detention center immediately.
>>285002358>the other ghost
>>285002684For the "why aren't there more good stories with more explicit sexual themes?" I kinda get it. If you make an isekai, any generic shounen, a harem a romance a comedy, you can sell that to anyone. The moment you make it lewd, you reduce the target audience. The moment you make it hardcore, you shrink it again.
>>285001694This is the way. Just filter erotica. Btw I read a good amount of your image and they range from trash to enjoyable to genuine masterpiece (the snake one), it’s amazing how they’re all 8+ here. You should completely ignore these ratings.
How is Parallel Paradise?
>>285003122Kinda shit, but okay porn wise? The story feels like it's going nowhere, the individual elements are rather extremely weak, but there's something fun about the Idea of: "being a man in this world is a superpower and merely touching a woman has her shaking with uncontrollable lust and orgasm". Beyond that? Would probably not recommend. For a long time I read it only as a: "well, I have no other smutty storyline thing available right now".
>>284998348The last one that gave me a bit of that feeling was Kekkon Yubiwa Monogatari, though the plot was nothing special.
>>285003385I mean at this point I'm fine with just "attempts to tell a story". And by that I do mean more than the usual "porn story".
>>284998348tl;dr
Tsugumomo
>>285003714That any good?
>>285004336no
>>285004657Thanks. Have a nice day.
>>284998348Looks like shit.
>>285000705I use a tachi fork too (komikku)Weeb central extension
>>284998951What you're describing are usually termed nukige. But you are correct, at least half the titles in the VN space are like that.
>>284998951>And the anon is not looking for porn with barely a story (ie a VN) but the oppositeThe average VN is 30 hours long of which porn is like 2 hours
