Volume 41Tale of Jiraiya the GallantChapter 374: Advancement!!Previous chapter: >>285001151Start: https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/subject/Daily%20Naruto%20Chapter/filter/text/page/11/
GIANT ENEMY CRAB
>>285023652Wow, Konan is wet again
>>285023710What if he were bald? How would the jutsu work?
>>285023890He'd grow out facial hair specifically to use it.
>>285023680>Ok woman you had your moment of screentime, now let the men fight
>>285023845I still want a grimdark prequel about that war.
>>285023643ARIGATO, OUR LEADER!
>>285023951>I will tell you the entire plan because... You're about to die anyway (in a series where people are revived all the time said by a guy who has the power to revive people)KISHIMOTOOOOOOOO
I really wish Kishi had explained how substitution worked with people this fast. A jounin doing this to his kid genin students makes sense, but this trick being pulled on high tier ninja against other high tier ninja deflates tension when it's used. Also>a log in a town that seems to have no trees.
>>285023980>>285024014>Let the world know about nukes and drop a couple on a random nation so the other nations can see how dangerous they are, and avoid future wars by having nukes as a deterrent Hmm
>>285023652Konan abuse
I fucking love Jiraiya.
>>285023951>>285023980>>285024014So was he actually going to do this? Obito later says that both Nagato and Konan agreed with the IT plan. I guess Kishi might not have thought about what Obito/Madara’s goal would be yet.
>>285023890Uses all his nosehair, eyebrows, and eyelashes
>>285023980>millionsThey live in fucking villages. The army of the entire shinobi alliance was like 100 000 soldiers.
>>285024130Sasukes plan was better I think.
>>285024199he's talking about the rest of the country
>>285023951>>285023980Metal… Gear?!
>>285023643>Tale of Jiraiya the gallantUh, why did Sasuke's arc ended so abruptly?
>>285024121>genjutsu>substitution>clonesLiterally all just the same kind of *it was an illusion* *teleports behind you*
>>285024190I love all these funky summons Pain has
>>285023809Nagato drop the tough guy persona, you reanimated his body for a reason.
>>285024266LET THE WORLD FEAR US ALLIT’S JUST MEAAAANS TO AN END
>>285024293>forget about team 8 and the snake escape!! look it's Pain and Jiraiya!!!!!!!
>>285024121Suna ninjas can't use the substitution jutsu because there are no logs in the desert. They are pathetic.
>>285023652Why are the animal path summons so random? Where do the animals comes from? They never seem to be intelligent. Is there a land of giant random animals next to frog land?
>>285023876Ignoring the god complex, everything Nagato said here is true, and yet Naruto's childish ideals will prevail.
>>285023680Secret kunoichi technique: washing up liquid
>>285023643OP was absolutely seething over how good the thread was yesterday lol
>>285024479Konanbros... Your girl is washed...
>>285024224Why was gammakens so depressed.
>>285023918How is Konan keeping a straight face while Nagato gives this corny speech?
>>285024199Civilians live in those villages
>>285023780Why no one else in the manga uses big hair jutsu? Jiraiya really has so much random bullshit.
>>285023951>>285023980>>285024014He's just describing mutually assured destruction.Which definitely didn't stop wars in real life.
>>285024444No, Nagato will be right in the end. Naruto and Sasuke will be stronger than everyone else, so the peace will be achieved because of the super weapon and its potential usage.Plus the Kazekage is Naruto's lover
>>285024625>SpoilerGaara wishes lol
How does extracting the tailed beasts allow him to create said jutsu anyways? Like how are those two things even remotely connected?If the chakra from all of them is required for the jutsu not every village would be able to use it.
>>285023710>>285023744>>285023780Isn't this a bit overpowered? This destroyed a pretty big summon effortlessly.
>Jiraiya the gallantLiterally blatantly copying the myth's title 1:1 and western Narutofags still don't comprehend that Naruto is just Kishimoto's fanfic take on Japanese mythos and folklore.
>>285024711>Hey, Iwa. I heard u hate Kumo. I'll nuke them if you pay me.>Hey, Kumo. I heard u hate Iwa. I'll nuke them if you pay me.>profitthe redhead won
>>285023643https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2CWPFJCqfEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUZ_5D26gNkI really like this first Pain and his fight. He's quite underrated. Also like how he gets replaced by the female version too
>>285023951Why didn't he try to convince Jiraiya instead of telling him he will die on the spot? Surely Jiraiya would have deserved at least this courtesy, even if it's unlikely he would accept, right?
It's weird that Kishimoto completely derailed Sasuke's arc for this, it's usually other characters who have to get sidelined for Uchiha wank.
See ya tomorrow, anons.
>>285024121People still think he didn't mean it when he said this?
>>285024902>>285024224>>285024944Arigatou, OUR LEADER!
Off topic but minato has to be the luckiest motherfuckers in all of anime shonen ,to get the girl he likes to like him back after simping for her??
>>285024902Jiraiya would have lived if he summoned Gamakichi
>>285024794That seems like a system ripe for abuse, especially if pain doesn't live forever.
>>285024959Him killing a terrorist and his crush are different things.
Summoning jutsu always felt like an unsatisfying part of Naruto. Okay so you can summon giant X... does that make you a powerful ninja?
>no kys Naruto post>no volume spamI'm noticing
>>285024944Thanks for dumping. Good thread.
>>285024976Read more manga
>>285024150He's legitimately the coolest character in this manga for me. He's not bullshit levels of perfect like Minato so it doesn't feel forced, but he's still very competent and dedicated.
>>285024944Thanks OP.
>>285024923there is also me at leastand it's weird we haven't see the kys guy yet
>>285023845Jiraiya loves to abandon people but says this kek
>>285023643Welcome back, jobber!
>>285025031Yeah, I think that's why Kishi used it sparingly in part 2.
>>285024944Thanks Sakon! This is where kino starts, for a while at least.
>>285024441>Where do the animals comes from?Only theory I heard that I liked was that the user creates them. Given that they can die and still be summoned later on.
What is the slug and toad equivalent to hidden snake hands jutsu?
>>285025026That's one of the disciples he spent three years with, and he should feel some fatherly responsibility for them.Not sure he'd actually pull the trigger and kill Tsunade but he'd definitely capture her I think.
>>285023780>>285023809How does Jiraiya not immediately realise that this guy doesn't look like Nagato at all?
>>285025137that makes more sense to me than pulling them from some random location of giant animals
>>285025176Did you see how many rods he put on his face? And it's been a while. If you think he just dyed his hair this would be convincing
>>285025176Jiraiya is not that smart.He needs Shikamaru's iq to figure that out.
>>285024150Is that why you're posting this chapter that was already posted in the previous thread?
>>285024536She's seen some shit
>>285023918>and now Konan is simply sitting in the peanut gallery
>>285025216This would be believable if people actually dyed their hair in this manga.
>>285025176Jiraiya is a retard
>>285025061>it's totally a good thread guysLol. The drama is already starting. I'm just glad yesterday's thread proved what cancer namefag threads are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFANMLIbmPQ
>>285024536That's part of her job as a pawn.
>>285025176manga is black and white
>>285023951Why did he bother getting all the tailed beasts when he was already able to nuke villages all by himself?
>>285024536Serious answer: at this point this is probably the only thing she's holding onto. Most of her life has been rendered pointless. All she has is the dream and the dream hinges upon Nagato being a deity.
>>285025333The colored cover gave that path Orange hair anyway.
>>285024536>Konan keeping a straight faceThat's how she is 99.9% of the time except when she's fucking Yahiko's corpse.
>>285025074Or the spammer
>>285025340Because this needs to be connected to Naruto somehow.
>>285025340Well, first he doesn't want to do it himself, it has to be the villages doing it and learning from itSecond, he can't do it many times, he'll die quite fast if he does. This solution is meant for long term>>285025176He says he doesn't look like Nagato but he has the Rinnegan and as we know these eyes can't be transplanted (lol)
>>285025373uhh it's easy to change hair colour
>>285023980This plan always felt so retarded. Also what would he do if in the future someone discovered another weapon that was equal in power to the bijuu nukes and only amplified the pain of war?
>>285025396Nagato...
>>285025250
>>285024121Kek, that log coming out of nowhere really is goofy.
>>285025411It doesn't matter if there's a stronger weapon (there wont be), they're already wielding mass destruction weapons at that point, nobody is benefiting from conflicts on that scale even if they might wipe out the enemy
Why not just use Deidara's techniques for this shit?
>>285025511>>285025411In theory, shouldn't every bijuu being kept by multiple villages already accomplish this goal?They are supposed to be forced of Nature and only very few people can even match them.
>>285024923>>285025455Hmm
Pain's MAD philosophy has never been refuted in Naruto, not by Jiraiya, not by Naruto, not by anyoneHe was ironically 100% right
Thanks OP
>>285025540Kishimoto jumped the gun by making Deidara's jutsu1. That powerful2. An object than can be crafted and detonatedThey could just sell these
>>285025584Remember when Naruto's singular paper bomb nearly BTFO Gaara?Explosives are OP when not used against an Uchiha.
>>285025369>no phone>no computer>no video games>no BF>no child
>>285024944Thanks OP!>3 posts deleted at the same timeThanks mods for noticing for once.>>285025651To be fair he put it up deep into Gaara's ass, the paper bomb was impressive but the entire maneuver was too.
>>285025707>No video gameI doubt Ame doesn't have those if Kidomaru was able to have some while living in Orochimaru's hideouts.
>>285025137How does the rinnegan create them? That's some yin-yang release shit, like when Hagoromo split the 10 tails into the 9 bijuus, only even more op
>>285024873Yeah I feel like it would have sort of humanized Nagato's character a little bit if he actually tried to get Jiraiya to join him... Even if it were just a hollow attempt and he instantly just goes 'oh well, die' when Jiraiya refuses.
>>285025782See, I'm not against the big talk no jutsu Nagato gets at the end considering the circumstances but Kishimoto went quite hard on Nagato being a ruthless, emotionless killer in his fight with Jiraiya so this doesn't quite connect.It's not too different from Sasuke being so murderhappy at VOTE 1 and later pretending to be conflicted about killing Naruto. Feels erratic and completely up to the writer's whims.
>>285025568They hate him because he told the truth>>285025715Plebbit is definitely more your speed
>>285025763>Orochimaru's hideout have eletronics like medic equipment for Kabuto, Video games and the likes>But no lights, ilumiation is done through candlesIs there something in the water of the Rice country?
>>285023951>develop new forbidden jutsuI don't think kishi ever bothers explaining what kind of forbidden jutsu would be created but I assume it'd be based on the biju's nature. Like shukaku would be a giant sandstorm jutsu that would turn a whole country into a desert. But how would pain be able to do this if their chakra is absorbed by the demon statue?
How would Tsunade handle this fight?
>>285025763Kidomaru had vidya?
>>285025902She kinda gets countered in this instance. Summon Pain is hidden for most of it and taijutsu gets countered by shared vision. She can get by for a while using retard strength and breaking shit but I think she's too linear to really manage it. Her best bet is tanking with her enhanced healing and try to finish off the Pains like this.
>>285025564Because kishi retconned the tailed beasts to be shitty jobbers. Only 9 and 8 are worth anything and the rest are so pathetic they get beaten offscreen.
>>285025902Loses to Konan without the oil counter
>>285025902She'd lose (off screen).>>285025923Yeah, that was like, a big part of his personality.You think him going on about "this game's dificulty got harder" and saying "game over" was about board games?
>>285025987Konan gets the acid
>>285025900Oro saves money whenever possible. You can light the candles with katon: fire fart no jutsu. However, there's no jutsu that would run computers or medical tech.
>>285024121>>285025498Couldn't it have at least been a piece of pipe or something? Come on Kishi
>>285025987I can actually see this happen. Jiraiya had the MALE advantage on Konan, Tsunade doesn't
>>285025987>Jobs to Katsuyu's acid instead
>>285025902>How would Tsunade handle this fight?
>>285026054Myth reference, please understand.
>>285025902With just the one path? She'd crush him probablyThe gravity path would kick her ass though
How would Shikamaru handle this encounter?
>>285026056>>285026029The acid doesn't counter her like the oil would. She easily stops Tsunade from summoning anyway.
>>285026106Oh thats so fucked why did kishi force this pair desu Sasuke should have been a loner monk.
>>285026007>You think him going on about "this game's dificulty got harder" and saying "game over" was about board games?It'd be way funnier at least.
>>285023809>What happened to you Nagato?Gee, maybe if you kept in touch every once in a while, you'd would be so surprised.
>>285026105That goes for almost everything in Naruto. Kishimoto writes in myths>>285026124She would beat one path for sure but this is one of the trickiest paths, she would have a hard time finding him. She can't sense chakra, can she?>>285026154Judging by his fight with Tayuya he'd somehow find a way to hide despite Nagato being able to sense him
>>285026158>The acid doesn't counter her like the oil wouldProof?>easily stops Tsunade from summoning anyway.Tsunade summons Katsuyu before the fight.
>>285026086>pukes on Konan
>>285026180Was he supposed to go back to this war torn country that doesn't allow outsiders in? That sounds impossible.
>>285024959>>285025026He was also literally contemplating killing her on his way to Orochimaru in case she actually accepted his deal.
>>285026219He literally did that a few chapters ago without issues.
>>285025340Can you people just not read?
>>285026194>Proof?Exactly. There's no evidence or proof that the acid has an effect like the toad oil does. You may as well say that any random shit counters her.>Tsunade summons Katsuyu before the fight.We are talking about the same fight as Jiraiya was having which means going into the encounter with 0 summons.
>>285026154He'd own both Konan and Animal Path by using logic and facts.
>>285025511>there wont be
>>285026245>He thinks this but never thinks about killing OroDid they have any homo lust going on?>>285026274Logically, acid should be more effective against paper than Oil.
>>285026250He did, but as part of an important mission to fend off Akatsuki. He's on the job.
>>285026158>The acid doesn't counter her like the oil wouldTrue, acid would just melt her not immobilize her.
>>285026319how did a bunch of african ninja invent this?
>>285026372You'd have a point if he had any trouble getting in, it shouldn't matter if he's on a mission or not.
>>285026274>We are talking about the same fight as Jiraiya was having which means going into the encounter with 0 summons.He even got ambushed, but he was hiding in the guy's shadow anyway so he had a trick up his sleeve. Not sure how Tsunade would engage this, can she sneak around?>>285026377Cloud are USA inspired
>>285026355>>285026373>logically fire would just burn all her paper!!kek no we already saw that fire style was ineffective. Acid would be similarly deflected. Only toad oil is a specific counter and Tsunade would not be aware of how Konan's jutsu works and be able to counter it like her former teacher.
>>285026423>we already saw that jobber style was ineffectiveLmao, well yeah
>>285026404It's still a big commitment, I can at least buy that he wouldn't infiltrate a hostile, foreign village that his own village fucked up during war times just to get in touch with his old disciples. Like, it could go either way, I could see him do that, or not at all.
Hiashi won.
>>285026423Except fire is already established to be a jobber element.Acid not so much.>Tsunade would not be aware of how Konan's jutsu worksJiraiya didn't know Konan could turn herself into paper until this very fight.
>>285026319Such a silly plot for what was supposed to be a movie about romance.
>Konan uses her unique and incredibly powerful PAPER STYLE>Jiraiya just dodgerolls like she's a Dark Souls boss
>>285026514>about romanceLol, lmao
>>285026219When you put it that way Jiraiya training the rain orphans (for several years no less) in a hostile territory during the middle of war is even more implausible, yet it happened
>>285026488If fire can't melt her paper then it stands to reason it doesn't have the normal properties of paper and similarly acid would not melt or burn it. You need to know how her jutsu works in order to counter it with a substance that makes her paper stick.
>>285026544You could use this same argument to say that oil shouldn't be able to hinder her either
>>285024583Koji Kashin uses it too
>>285026532The stupid part is Jiraiya being allowed to take a three years vacation at that point. I could buy it after he became a wandering hermit, but he was still wearing the Konoha jacket and was on duty at that point.Maybe Kishimoto could have made that slightly more convincing by showing Jiraiya becoming a wanderer right after that. This would be the moment Jiraiya would cut ties with Konoha and play by his own rules.
I find it absolutely intriguing how this woman was so damaged from the first accounts of war , she drowns her self at night every day for 11 years with alcohol and wastes her fortune playing crap tables.But out comes this young boy who she automatically fawns over him putting all her dreams fears and reprimands on him. >This completely changes her attitude in life.>what did kishi mean by this
>>285026530Also to be fair it wasn't just the oil he also used the hair jutsu.
>>285026544Acid and fire have completely different properties. There's not enough evidence to say 'just because fire doesn't work it means NOTHING else would work'
>>285026219>>285026604The thing that really gets me is how Jiraiya's three-year stint means Sannin couldn't have become an actual title until a few years after he came back because only Tsunade and Orochimaru would've been known to have survived against Hanzo. Also, what the fuck was Hanzo doing letting one of them live in his village for three straight years in the first place? Jiraiya is a fucking giant with flowing white hair, he would've been noticed relatively quickly.
Sensei... when are you coming back...
>>285026007They play lots of candlelit board games at Orochi's place
>>285026635He basically did talk no jutsu on her and by accident this rizzed her up.
>dabbing on paperkeks
>>285026750Minato is already jonin level, just let him do his things
>>285025063Im still not wrong, he fell in love with her and won her over she also did not like him at first.
>>285023980>>285024014I remember at the time there were people speculating that Pain was really Yahiko who somehow acquired Nagato's eyes. I never believed it myself, but with Pain avoiding the question of who he actually is, and his general sharing-the-pain-strategy it's really laying it thick, isn't it>>284973821which makes it all the stranger that in the end there is no twist and the leader really is just Nagato
>>285026657Tsunade doesn't know her jutsu like Jiraiya. The whole reason he has a perfect counter is that he taught her. Tsunade won't even be able to summon anything before she is swarmed by paper.
>>285026514The fights were cool at least
>>285026758>candlelit chess matches with Tayuyacanon
>>285026862>>285026657The real answer is that Kishimoto would quickly dispatch Konan if he really wanted to write Tsunade vs Pain but would make it a lengthy fight if he cared for Tsunade vs Konan (which is probably how it would go)
>>285026532Is it as implausible as Jiraiya randomly meeting with a kid that has god eyes, being in awe at the fact that he's probably a deity that will change the world, and then just leaves him in a war-torn shithole village with 2 other orphans without ever bothering to find out what happened to him for the next ~20 years?
>>285026544>similarly acid would not melt or burn itUnlike jobber style Katsuyu's acid can melt stone.
I actually went through the SRA to find where it was specifically that said Kidomaru played video games and I can't find the page where it's said. I'm 100% it exists, but I just can't find it.
>>285026861this anti-climactic anti-twist fueled Tobito denial even harder. People just assumed Kishi loved red herrings and ignored the hints from then on.
>>285026862>before she is swarmed by paperAnd then what get paper cuts? Lmao
>>285026936I can kind of rationalize it because of the prophecy. Jiraiya was meant to teach that kid who'd change the world, which he did, not guide his every step. If you see this as "I have foolish hopes that you might be able to save the world" rather than "yeah you're definitely the world's savior" it makes a bit more sense
What element is paper jutsu again?>it was a kekkei genkaiNo it wasn't
>>285026959It's not directly said, just his wording. Check out parts like him going to stage 1, and when he's killing Neji.
>>285026947Good thing Konan isn't using jobber stone skin but unbeatable wood based paper.
>>285026984She poisons her paper with Sasori's special concoction
>>285026959I could’ve sworn I read something about him making comparisons to real-time strategy games specifically
>>285026936To be fair didn’t he do that on purpose because of the frog prophecy or something?
>>285026750Jackets been open look so much on like every character
>obliterates Konan, Pain, and Tobi effortlessly
>>285024428there could be some hype to this if this was actually the fight between Jiraiya and the much anticipated leader of Akatsuki. But now we know Pain is just a minion of the actual leader so this whole jiraiya-mini-arc feels even more pointless
>>285026984she explodes into dust from 50 paper bombs attached to her body before she can even activate the seal on her forehead or summon anything. As she's exploding into a million pieces just like nasty slug bitch she is she thinks "I would have won with acid!!" before going to hell and not ever seeing Dan again
>>285027063...But enough about Minato.
>>285026995It's still pretty ridiculous how Jiraiya never even bothered to learn what came of the child of prophecy after so many years, if only out of curiosity.
>>285027016>unbeatable wood based paperShe's lost every on-screen fight kek
>>285027012Yeah yeah. I checked around there, and that checks out, but I swear he or someone in regards to him uses the words "video games" outright.
>>285027109She got beat by plot contrivances only. She wins on paper.
>>285027097>she explodes into dust from 50 paper bombs attached to her bodyShe'd tank like like she tanked Madara's susanoo.
>>285027118Might depend on the translation too.Our local ones would come off as stilted if he specified video games when the context makes it clear enough (Having come out at a time games were already normalized enough in vernacular).
>>285024441Pain's summons all have piercings and can be seen to have the rinnegan as well, so I always figured they were cobbled together frankenstein-corpses that Nagato is controlling remotely
>>285023680Nagato learned his lesson on trusting a woman to do anything.
>>285027169She got beat because she's a jobber.
>>285023845
>>285027063>POV: You're Tenten after asking your childhood idol to mentor you
>>285026959Your turn, you big homo
>>285027125This would low diff the 5th hokage.
>>285024583I like that aspect. Unlike most dudes that have just one specialty, Jiraiya gives off that old traveler vibe in having a dozen gimmick techniques that he picked up from around the world. He's similar to Tobirama in that way. Guys that diversified instead of focusing.
>>285027279In bed.
>>285027125Yahiko plappled this!?!?No wonder Nagato gladly heard them fucking.
>>285027275W-What?
>>285026924>if he cared for Tsunade vs Konan>Kishi>Caring for a female character
>>285026959I don't think it's actually mentioned directly in the manga because when I googled it the wiki says that the source on him liking games is the data book.
>>285027279Her fart?
>>285026750Adiadas jacket and the aura
>>285023980No matter how many years go by, whenever Pain says "x will/would know pain" it always sounds corny to me.
>>285026709Jiraiya was living in a random hovel. You'd easily miss him if you weren't combing the earth for a random Sannin for whatever reason.
>>285023845Jiraiya....You've abandoned basically everyone in your life at least once.
>>285027314>Yahiko plappled this!?!?No Jiraiya did.
>>285027169>She wins on paper.
>>285027414...in his groomer Dreams.
Where does genin Minato scale?
>>285023918Imagine how Obito and Konan feel when he gets going on these tirades.
>>285027452Jobs to Tayuya
>>285027169CARLOS!>>285027452Would've soloed Chunin Exams Gaara but that's it imho.
>>285027303nta but yeah it's pretty cool
>>285026377The Cloud Village is Ninja America, not Ninja Nigeria.
>>285023780Jiraiya has so many crazy jutsu
>>285027485...in bed.
>>285026635I need this to add to my collection m.
>>285027303I like it too but it does feel like an inconsistency in the Naruto world. Most unique techniques are explained as secret family jutsu or bloodline limits but here's Jiraiya with a dozen useful tricks no one else in Konoha ever used. A lot of his techniques seem like things that would be really beneficial to certain families too. Like the hair jutsu for the akimichi and the shadow lurking jutsu for the nara
>>285023780if Jiraiya had turned Pain into a frog he would have won right then and there
>>285025176Jiraiya doesn't know eyes are plug and play in Naruto or that corpses puppeteered by the rinnegan get the same eyes so he sees someone with the rinnegan and assumes it has to be Nagato with dyed hair and a plastic surgery
>>285027574Yeah my favourite is the one that where he summons a huge toad and it swallows you and you go into it's belly lol like can you imagine that happening haha I want to be swallowed
>>285027574Why didn't he teach Naruto any?
>>285024014>>285023980>>285023951>>285023918This is MAD by another name, ostensibly with himself acting as administrator. Which was reasonably effective at working IRL, but not because it made people more mature. And within the 70 years since MAD's development we've almost destroyed the world on accident at least twice, if not more.
>>285023876A little late for a chuuni phase, Nagato
>>285026105>Myth reference, please understand.?
>>285024976Lucky bastard
>>285024150He is a great character. Lots of charisma, lots of flaws.
>>285027748The substitution technique in ninja folklore always used a log.
>>285027704He did teach him some. For example, he taught him big rasengan, big rasengan, big rasengan, and also big rasengan.
>>285026054Logs are more ninja like.
>>285024789He borrows names, but not much in the way of narrative beyond the most obvious strokes. There's nothing to investigate regarding Amaterasu as a name for a fire technique or Susano'o for a warrior spirit. It isn't meaningful beyond the obvious correlation.
>>285025498>out of nowhereThis is the summoning Pain remember. He could've summoned it and swapped himself with it.
>>285027101I can see Pain giving Minato trouble.
>>285027795Too many flaws I'd sayHe's too much of a shitty teacher for how much Naruto cares about him
>>285027795Unlike minafag nardo and jiraya are well written characters.
>>285024789>still don't comprehend that Naruto is just Kishimoto's fanfic take on Japanese mythos and folkloreYou people always use this cope when defending the alien shit. Fuck off
>>285027303The Tobirama comparison is apt. Although Jiraiya has the frog gimmick and a core aspect to his moveset but he really has this spin with tons of regular elemental jutsu and weird shit that nobody else uses
>>285027374Surely he was also doing some other stuff with his life?Kishimoto should've wrote that Jiraiya asked to remain there for random Konoha military reasons while also training his disciples
>>285027933>nardo and jiraya are well written characters
>>285028010Headcanon he was doing spymaster stuff if you want.
>>285024536Konan is just tired of it all
>>285027943You're the one who brought up aliens.
>>285024121Remember the Forest of Death, when it was established that the Substitution Jutsu was something even genin shitters could see through?
>>285027915I guess the shared vision would be a good counter to Minato 'nothing personal'ing behind Pain
>>285027930>He's too much of a shitty teacherNope.
Was Tsunade implied to have liked Jiraiya romantically
>>285026750Sorry Minato, Jiraiya might have said you were the special chosen one but he just found a massive upgrade. Que sera, sera.
>>285028076No.>ButHer IT dream was marrying Dan.
>>285028076Their relationship was implied to be like Naruto and Sakura so 0 romance.
>>285027795>>285027930>lots of flawsI don't know. He likes to indulge in earthly pleasures (women, booze) and had been depressed about Orochimaru leaving, but seems to be a pretty positive figure other than that. Very dedicated to his role in the prophecy and world peace, a writer (not only smut, he also wrote the tales of Naruto) and was well regarded and respected by basically everyone who knew or heard of him.He seems more realistic than perfect Gary Stus but "many flaws" isn't how I'd word it
>>285028065This and the 6 bodies prevent one of these *oneshots you* situation Minato seems to always pull off.
>>285026420>>285027545How did a bunch of African American ninja invent that?
>>285028076Only a tiny bit, I think it was gearing more towards of FWB situation
>>285028103She could still like Jiraiya even so. Their interaction a few chapters ago while Jiraiya was setting up his death flag seemed to imply she was at least a little into him imo
>>285028076Only at the end and with a tragedy spin more than a romantic one. I think she was engaging in another step of her life and Jiraiya could have been there for her but alas...
>>285028076Yes and kishi confirmed it.
>>285028194It's literally just her caring about a friend.
>>285028184I've seen this image a zillion times and only just noticed her black hails
>>285028120But sakura liked naruto at the start of shippuden.
>>285028273I like their cynical dynamic
>>285028027Better written than the Uchihas, that's for sure.
>>285028225Tsunade only loved Dan. Orochimaru is still evil he just got away with it all.
>>285026861>I remember at the time there were people speculating that Pain was really Yahiko who somehow acquired Nagato's eyes. I never believed it myself, but with Pain avoiding the question of who he actually is, and his general sharing-the-pain-strategy it's really laying it thick, isn't itI find it funny that Jiraiya correctly deduces that it's Nagato from the start instead of Kishi trying to misdirect the reader by having him think it's Yahiko due to the Deva Path
>>285028233Personally I got the impression from the way Kishi drew her that it was more than that but who knows, maybe it was just because she was drunk and worried for him
>>285027768
>the shipping retards are now hereWell, it's been fun discussing this chapter and Jiraiya's character. See you tomorrow.
>>285028277And Tsunade liked Jiraiya in the middle of Shippuden>>285028027Yeah. Naruto is kinda iffy depending on the arc, he has good moments. Jiraiya is more consistently well written
>>285028277Tsunade probably saw potential in Jiraiya at different times as well before he did some retarded shit that gave her the ick like Naruto with Sakura.
yesterday's thread was more enjoyable
>>285028225The Orochimaru situation will never stop being hilarious.
>>285028285Yes we love mildly cynical yet not outright evil girls here
>Jiraiya arc saves discussionI'm just saying it happened twice so far
>>285028350Tayuya was objectively evil
>>285028350How many did she kill?
>>285028318Such a lucky fucking bastard this guy was a kumo Nigerian that migrated to the leaf village and was in to chemical engineering.>ends up with a petite red head with a boomin ass and perky tits
>>285027943The otsutsuki are bad because they are badly written and not because them being aliens is inherently bad.Princess Kaguya, a being from the moon, becoming a straight up alien is no more egregious than Kidomaru going from a club wielding Oni to proto Miles Morales and Sakon going from a honorable Samurai to some budget Pillar Man with a conjoined Twin.
>>285028170He is a pervert, a drunkard, a flake, he likes to pick fights for fun, most of his dreams in life failed, and he doesn't really know what is the best choice in most situations. But regardless of that there's a lot to like about him and his view of the world and intentions. Its a very human depiction of a man.
>>285028076>>285028225Just coping already Jiraiya. She's loves Dan and always will. You should've moved on from your true love like Naruto did.
>>285028350>not outright evil Tayuya literally stomped on men's balls for fun. It's canon.
>>285028350>Not outright evilLOL
>>285028331And all it took was one panel to make both relationships strive for one another and it parallels each other well.kishi ????? Who put the gun on to tour head.
>>285028225Why do you keep posting this troll account?>>285028277And he fumbled her under 10 seconds flat.
>>285028316>but who knowsThe manga. She's loves Dan and saw Jiraiya only as a good friend.
>>285028458Himself
>>285028433>>285028290The author is telling it from his perspective.
>>285028372Never saw her do worse things than Gaara but in Ninjaland you're presumed evil unless you get a sad flashback
>>285028433I wonder what Tsunade's job would be in this scenario. Probably director of the hospital or Dan's housewife
>>285028364I mean, when there aren't flame wars and a spiteful spammer, not really surprising.
>>285028415>and not because them being aliens is inherently badAliens in fantasy stories are always inherently bad. Keep that shit in sci-fi.
>>285028432>pervert, a drunkard, a flakeEarthly pleasures. It's a flaw but a somewhat endearing one.>he likes to pick fights for funAre you referring to the guy he Rasengan'd to show Naruto the jutsu? That doesn't count.>most of his dreams in life failedTragedy strikes even the best of us. He tried his best and put his life on the line, that's not a flaw.>he doesn't really know what is the best choice in most situationsI think he's been quite consistent in picking the right choices? Other than his handling of the Orochimaru stuff... and, of course, letting Sasuke 1v1 Itachi, but I chalk that up more to Kishimoto's writing. If you count it then it's a huge flaw but that's one of these Kishimoto moments.
>>285028519That's not Kishimoto making the Facebook post, are retarded or just pretending?
>>285028555Sorry, I checked, it's Kishimoto's Facebook account.
>>285028535The original princess Kaguya was an alien by definition.>>285028571Proof?
>>285028483Maybe she loved Dan and saw Jiraiya also as a romantic interest with Dan being dead. Their last conversation had Tsunade acting pretty intimate and loving.I doubt we'll agree on this so agree to disagree I guess.
>>285028290>Orochimaru is still evilNah, he's a good guy. He free the past Hokage from being eternally trapped in a shinigami's stomach because of Hiruzen's incompetence. He also helped save Tsunade.
>>285028578Sorry, I lied.
>15 years since this arc ended>Jiraiyafags still cope about Tsunade
>this is irresistible to Senju women
>>285028585>and saw Jiraiya also as a romantic interestShe didn't. That's why her infinite tsukuyomi dream was about being Dan's cock sleeve.
>>285028585The writing is pretty obviously trying to hint at romantic undertones for added drama. Whether it'd have unfolded or not would have been up to the writer of course.
>>285028624>pluralIt's literally just one guy. He always brings it up in these threads.
>>285028364Somehow the rinnegan isn't as poorly received here as the sharingan
>>285028630>he repostedCOPS ARE ON THEIR WAY
>>285028653It literally didn't, holy fuck. You've never interacted with a woman in your life.
>>285028630>do not repost
>>285028699Your mom is choking on my cock right now though? She's enjoying the thread btw
>>285028691That's busted but consistently busted.You're not going to see shit like the rinnegan getting more buffs like with the sharingan OR not working as intended like the byakugan.It's also very chakra draining, with Nagato the way he currently is because of it.
>>285028653
>>285028691Rinnegan is introduced as a godly tool from the start. Sharingan is meant to be something a lot of people have.
>>285028691If you are introduced as the eyes of a demigod, and live up to that, it works out. The Sharingan escalated in abilities constantly with basically no justification for it.
*smooch*
>>285028874Why would I have to "cope" about a kids shonen dead character's romantic prospects? Are you legitimately 8 year old? Or just autistic?
>>285028630>artist says to not repost>do it anywayKys
>>285028691HOHHH GOD... RIN-TAN IS SO CUTE. I'D PLUNGE THE ENTIRE WORLD INTO WAR AND COMMIT VARIOUS UNFORGIVABLE ACTS FOR HER.
>>285028439I don't think she'd do that, Konans shoes however look designed for that
>>285026936>>285026532Let's just say both are pretty ridiculous and chalk it up to Naruto (as a series) living on the edge of reason. Even if he doesn't make weekly trips to the rain village, keeping tabs on someone like that would make some kind of sense
>>285028898Cute and canon couple.
>>285028350>Tayuya >not evil
>>285028691Technically the rinnegan is an upgraded sharingan.
>>285028971>Meanwhile, Tayuya's favourite jutsu:
>>285028630Based. Fuck the artist
>>285029050Later on, yes, but Pain is basically another Original Character with a power that is completely disconnected from the shared power system
>>285028458You know i never understood why this did not happen, also hinatas ass is way to skinny in this pic.
>>285028969Understandable, you are much cooler than everyone else
>>285028691Why is she so creepy?
>>285024531He only had low self-esteem.
Why didn't Jiraiya simply give up on Tsunade and go visit the Cloud village?
>>285026750Didn't the sannin face Hanzo during the second war? Didn't Minato become a genin AFTER that?
>>285025902She would do better than Jiraiya. Her ordinary taijutsu can level most of the paths. She has lightning paralysis jutsu and ridiculous healing jutsu along with super strength, stamina, and durability. Her summon can also melt some of the paths. Realistically Tsunade can kill all of them but would definitely have trouble with the Deva Path. The paths are bullshit because you’re basically fighting 6 people at once.
>>285029092That's ai slop
>>285023652Shouldn't it have crabby rinnegan eyes?>>2850236801. why does the crab shoot soap2. why is soapy water less disruptive to her powers than oil>>285023845bottom left is one of the most stupid looking panels in the entire manga on visuals alone, never mind what a hypocritical bag of shit jiraya is being>>285023918is nagato just fucking around with this speech? He drops the god shit so fast I forgot about it>>285023951> the plan is MAD and hope everyone nukes each otherwe already have kids running around performing kage-level feats though. Temari, a little girl, cut half a forest down in one shot with her summon back in part 1. The tailed beasts and their hosts already explicitly ARE the living nukes for each village, so what changes?>>285023980> they would know painFFS literally everyone older than Naruto bitches endlessly about muh war trauma. They had such a horrible time fighting the weakest ninja that ever existed in this universe. Nothing but jobbers who can barely throw a kunai in every flashback. Nagato wasn't even in the fucking war, aside from being orphaned he lived a life of charming heroics with his friends until his own nation fucked them over, and now he wants to destroy the world?>>285024121where did he get a log>>285024150do japanese people actually laugh at this kind of gag?
>>285029252The timelines never make sense in Naruto
>>285029252Minato's older than the Rain orphans. Jiraiya would've trained his team before the second war or as it started
>>285029221cloud bunnies are all BBC loving queen of spades.
>>285028691sharingan has random powerups in almost every battlevs itachi>saske do you know that the ms can summon a flesh mecha? vs danzo>saske do you know that there's another ms ability that lets you alter reality? vs kabuto>saske do you know that there's ANOTHER shartringan ability that lets you trap your opponent in an endless loop unless he knows himself?
>>285029067Sauce?
>>285023680kishi....
>>285029278It's foam, crabs can do that. Have you never played Dark Souls?
>>285023980>Give every village a nuclear weapon so they're hesitent to attack each otherWasn't the original intend to give every nation a tailed beast exactly that?
>>285025902I can't imagine her even beating Konan. She has zero technique, she is just a weaker and slower Guy.
>>285029328>ms ability that lets you alter reality?That's just a regular sharnigan
>>285028969Coolest guy detected.
>>285029328We hate shitringan here
>>285029254I doubt Tsunade's taijutsu will do much here, the Pains were a match for Naruto and he showed similar strength to Tsunade.
>>285024121So Jiraya, probably the strongest Shinobi alive at the time, was fooled by a substitute jutsu. Can we finally agree that this jutsu low diffs everyone?
>>285029309Low izzat detected
>>285029498>So Jiraya, probably the strongest Shinobi alive at the timeItachi is still alive. A and Bee are alive. Oonoki is still alive. Orochimaru is still alive
>Tsunade would lose against Kon-AAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE
>>285023845>>285024150SHITaiyabros....
>>285029576>Orochimaru is still aliveLol, lmao.
Dan won
>>285029576Sage Jiraiya has good odds against all of these except Bee obviously. Really stupid that the Cloud didn't invade everyone when they had the 8 tails but Kishimoto barely thought about this at that point.>Orochimarukek
>>285029619The guy Jiraiya has never been able to beat, correct.
>>285029576>>285029601>>285029698>the Jiraiya hater / Orochimaru wanker has arrivedA bit late today huh.
>Jiraiya, the "jutsu don't matter, guts do" shows dozens of useful jutsu>Orochimaru, the guy who wants to learn every jutsu, only slashes people with his sword and cums himself to sleep over Uchiha eyesWhat did Kishimoto mean by this?
>>285029674So did naruto
>>285028076only a bit at the end to add more to the grim pile that is her life.
>>285029674...The bleeding to death competition
>>285029707Bruh, nobody cares about your stupid thread lore. Fuck off
>>285029755Orochimaru is just a fraud that only fights old people and children.
>>285029675>>Orochimaru>kek>>>285029698
>>285029787Worth it
>>285029813>Oro on the run from Akatsuki and asking Naruto to defeat some of them for him>Jiraiya goes to job Konan and 1v1 the leaderI'm noticing some patterns....
>>285029755>>285029813Orochimaru literally couldn't use jutsus anymore in this fight and he was still dabbing on Jiraiya kek.
>AAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEE SAVE ME HIRUZEN THIS IS 12 YEAR OLD ITACHI WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
>>285029853>Jiraiya goes to job Konan and 1v1 the leaderAnd gets killed in the process.
>>285029853And Jiraiya dies while Orochimaru continues living. Not the L you think it is
>>285029942>>285029965Lost the intel battle, but won the intel warNotice who I don't see in pic related btw
>literally one post mentioned Orochimaru >the Jiraiyatard starts seething and spamming afterwardsLmao
>>285029927>acting like anyone can beat the solo king
>>285029904>"MANDA JOBBED AND JIRAIYA'S POISON IS STARTING TO WEAR OFF, WE GOTTA GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE BEFORE WE GET LOW-DIFFED KABUTO!Lol, lmaoe.
>>285030009Hiashi solos.
>>285029979Why should anyone care about your fan made schizo pic?
>>285026635>Dan saying he wanted to be hokage made her wet>Naruto says the same thing>cue the flood
>>285030033It's not intentional on Kishimoto's part but I find it funny how much of Orochimaru's reputation is just him trying to put up a strong facade when he's surrounded by people who'd buttfuck him, including his 15 year old student
>>285023980Wasn't his argument literally the reason why the villages got Jinchuriki in the first place?
>>285030056Her little brother also said that..
>>285030078That's your headcanon
>>285030079Jinchuriki are outdated and unreliable. Having a reliable nuke is a much better deal.
>>285029252Minato is either the same age or slightly older than Nagato and co. The Second World War and the Third World War had a short peace time between them. Probably no more than like 5 or so years.
>>285029082Hello sar!
In actual Japanese lore, is Jiraiya or Orochimaru more impressive?
>>285030033Orochimaru was far more handicapped in this match and had to fight against both Jiraiya and TsunadeThis isn't the gotcha you think it is, lol
>>285030201Aren't they supposed to be rock paper scissor?
>>285029478Sage Naruto didn’t show destructive power in his taijutsu. He was oddly strong as shit though, but he wasn’t leveling boulders like Tsunade seems to be able to do just in base form. Sakura already showed crazy power at the start of Shippuden, and Tsunade is way above that. He can’t maintain Sage Mode at this time very long while Tsunade’s stamina seems pretty high. With Katsuya she is sort of busted. Her AP is superior at this point in time compared to Naruto, who can only do solid damage with Rasenshuriken to the Paths. Even Madara was wary of her punches.
>"Jobmaru? Who cares, Deidara'll mid-diff him one of these days, not an issue.>"J-J-Jiraiya-Sama!? THE Toad Sage!? Shit Itachi-kun, you might be able to survive if we 2v1 him, but I don't wanna get no-diffed and die...
>>285030033Oro sucks but only in part 2 when it's revealed how bad he jobbed to Itachi and the other sannins get cool stuff. That said I'm sure he doesn't mind taking a backseat and doing science instead.
>>285030183Minato was 24 when he died/Naruto was bornNaruto fought Pain when he was 16 so Minato would have been 40 if he livedNagato was 35 when Naruto fought him, so Minato is 5 years older than them.
>>285030209This
>>285030219They're supposed to, but Tsunade never seemed to fit the trio in being their equals.
Good Konan thread. Too much powerscaling and not enough best girl appreciation, but I'm here for it nonetheless.
>>285029674And naruto won as well.
>>285030228It's weird how he throws the 9 tails around and the rhino thing but other than that just seems to hit "really hard".You could headcanon that Tsunade isn't only strong but also applies chakra to her punches to enhance their destructive power? So maybe Naruto lifts as much as her but her punches do the whole "big explosion thing".In my opinion she'd have greater destructive power but she's also slower and has worse reaction time. I think she'll need to be lucky to take the 3 bodies but it wouldn't be impossible.
>>285029328>copying jutsu, mecha, alter reality, trap opponent in endless loopYou all might not want to here this, but this is why the sharingan is cool as fuck and is objectively the best eye power in anime/manga.
>>285030235You realize this also implies they couldn't take on Orochimaru or Tsunade either, right?
>>285030329Kishimoto's design of adult Hinata is so much better than her design from Boruto.
>Deidara’s 20km suicide ultra move only hurts >Tsunade one shots it while being a drunkard for 2 decades and handicapped beforeBaba is strong >>285023845This dude left his godson to squalor. Jiraiya is an asshole
>>285030329>had to settle for someone he never showed any interest inNot exactly winning.
>>285030376Becas he kept her tits and curvy figure and the longer hair.
>>285030333Go back to jacking off to Shikamaru, Kishimoto.
>>285030365But then again Oro himself said Itachi was too much for him.Of course the real answer is "don't think too much about it", we need Oro to be a credible threat but there needs to be a credible reason why the good guys can convincingly fend off Itachi and Kisame.Remember how Kakashi fought Itachi in part 1 even though he was shitting himself thinking about Oro?
>>285030333Who's below Itachi?
>>285030403Shut the fuck up shut up watch the story and deal with the author’s decision just shut up your not intelligent in writing kishimoto is thats why we are discussing this.
>>285029478>can just chuck a giant rino into the stratosphereWhy didn't he do this to Pain?
>>285030416Yeah...the only thing more inconsistent than the timeline in Naruto is the power scaling.
>>285030365Except Itachi had already one-shot Orochimaru at this point, and Oro leaving and doing his stupid bullshit was such a low priority that even when the Akatsuki weren't in their jinchiruki hunting phase, he wasn't important enough to actually send anyone after. Kisame is aware of all of this, but Jiraiya is the only one he's actually wary of fighting. >>285030416Tbf Kakashi also essentially got one-shot by Itachi. He was willing to fight but the second he got out of his genjutsu he was more than aware he had bitten off more than he, Asuma, and Kurenai could chew.
>>285030454Lol. Calm down autist, it's not that serious.
>>285029498>Jiraya, probably the strongest Shinobi alive at the time,Nagato, Obito, Itachi, A, and Oonoki are still alive.
>>285030467It's not that bad I would say... There's a level of inconsistency but since the powers aren't linear I can kind of buy some of those discrepancies and think that Jiraiya might not be terribly above Oro but still able to fend off someone who is stated to be.>>285030478>Tbf Kakashi also essentially got one-shot by ItachiYeah but still, Kakashi wasn't scared. Unless you chalk it up to Oro's threatening aura that he used on Sasuke and Sakura maybe?
>>285029675>except Bee...and Itachi, and A, Oonoki, and Orochimaru.
>>285030478Yep. And Jiraiya was never able to defeat Orochimaru. I don't know what point you're trying to make here.
>>285030522I'd say it's more Kakashi just equal parts overestimating himself and the other two, not knowing about the mangekyo, and underestimating Itachi.
>>285030326>but Tsunade never seemed to fit the trio in being their equals
>>285030396He didn't have time for the son of his former protege and 4th hokage that was imbued with the 9 tails fox. He was looking for a CHOSEN child of prophecy. There were no obvious signs with Naruto he was anything special.
>>285030507>Itachi, A, and OonokiI think he can take them in sage mode. Not going to open up the Itachi can of worm for the 100th time but he has elemental advantaged against A with the frogs Fuuton and he can just frog song his way to win if he needs to. The giant ass Rasengan and senjutsu enhanced ninjutsu would also work better than Sasuke's chidori did.Oonoki would be an interesting match. Both long range, and both could die quickly (Oonoki isn't a tank but Jinton oneshots).
>>285030568This doesn't change my mind
>>285030454>your not intelligent in writing kishimoto is thats why we are discussing this.
>>285030553Sasuke never defeated Lee btw.
>>285030568This is her fighting a severely handicapped Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Implying she is only equal with them when they are handicapped. Jiraiya and Orochimaru both have ways of easily handling giant summon fodder.
>>285030454>intelligent in writing kishimoto isHow's Samurai Squid going these days?
>>285030507And Orochimaru.
>>285030588>I think he can take them in sage modeItachi oneshot a much stronger sage, a perfect sage no less.Oonoki vaporizes him.A blitzs him.
>>285030628She had a handicap herself where couldn't be injured or injure someone else without having a mental breakdown.
Noticing the thread quality is taking a dip once the Oro spammer gets there. Powerscaling discussions can be mildly interesting but the guy is literally just repeating the same shit over and over again. Hopefully Jiraiya can die fast to quell his hateboner.
>>285030501Calm down ??!! No your out of line you need to calm down naruto is my whole entire fucking life and im not going to be denied of my 9000 laughs and 9000 smiles , and 9000 ramen bowls.
>>285030610Yeah, and Lee is Guy's star pupil, and Guy is the actual strongest living shinobi in the story. Not surprising Sauskek can't beat him.
Comfy thread. Almost as good as daily ramen threads
>>285030660He might be triggered by people noticing Oro has no jutsu while Jiraiya pulls off tricks all over the place.
>>285030628>This is her fighting a severely handicapped Orochimaru and JiraiyaIt was a handicapped Tsunade too since she was injured from when fighting Kabuto and getting cut up from Orochimaru prior to getting over her fear of blood.
>>285030416>>285030522Kakashi probably was thinking about the Itachi he knew from ANBU, and not the one that had access to an instant one-shot Genjutsu.
>>285030660Quality post anon. Really helping the thread.
>>285030658She overcame that earlier in the fight with Kabuto and still struggles against a heavily handicapped Jiraiya and Orochimaru after.
>>285030660>repeating the same shit over and over againThat's like 90% of Naruto threads on /a/ for the past decade, just slight variation / things worded a little differently
>>285030712She used her seal and was fully healed though
>>285030595Jiraiya died to some rods. Meanwhile Tsunade tanked getting split in half by picrel
>>285030653Kabuto in Sage Mode would still lose to Jiraiya.
>>285030660Thanks for adding to the bump limit with your stunning and intelligent comment.
>>285030763>Meanwhile Tsunade tanked getting split in half by picrelShe was going to die if Orochimaru didn't come along to help her.
>>285030712She already healed those injuries earlier with creation rebirth and overcame her fear of blood to defeat Kabuto.
>>285030719Yes, it's a good post.I'm just stating what should be obvious but seems to fly over some autists like (You). It's kind of interesting to speculate about matchups and discuss how the powers would interact. It's much more autistic and retarded to just post 20 times "X destroys Y".Sadly it just comes to (You) being too autistic.
>>285030708>while Jiraiya pulls off tricks all over the placeAnd yet he's the only Sannin that actually died. lol
>>285030792Quality post anon. You're so intelligent and cool.
>>285030773That other anon is retarded and Jiraiya would beat Itachi and A, and have good chances against Oonoki, but Jiraiya definitely can't take Sage Kabuto. Kabuto is probably the gatekeeper to Hashirama tier.
>>285030708Orochimaru displays more jutsu than joberaiya.
>>285030788>She was going to dieNo she wasn't. She already summoned Katsuyu to heal her before Oro got there.
Tsunade has been a drunkard for decades and got impaled by Kabuto due to a bullshit blood phobia debuff she was given and due to Kabuto somehow being able to move his body when half of it was stunned by lightning. She dispatched Manda in one shot in spite of this and one punched Orochimaru that led to him making the decision to retreat. How is she useless compared to Oro who has lost near every fight he has been in?
>>285030818That's just the common sense of not having such huge emotional stakes riding on this children comic. How about you try it too someday?
It's always amusing how people pick and choose what to take as facts in Kishi's shitshow of power scaling. Just remember, Hiruzen would destroy all these characters according to what was said in part 1.
>>285030789>and overcame her fear of blood to defeat KabutoThis didn't happen. That's why Naruto stepped in.
>>285030416>Remember how Kakashi fought Itachi in part 1 even though he was shitting himself thinking about Oro?This can easily be explained as Kakashi just being more fearful of Orochimaru's reputation. Itachi is also younger than him and he is similar in terms of being a prodigy so he simply overestimated himself and underestimated Itachi.
>>285030861And she couldn't re-attach her body by herself because she had no chakra left. She was clearly on death's door.
>>285030828Refer to >>285030867I believe someday you'll be able to enjoy this manga in a slightly less autistic way. Arrested development is tough, but you can grow.
>>285030867Wow anon, your insight and maturity is very impressive. Keep it up.
>>285030865>How is she useless compared to Oro who has lost near every fight he has been in?/nart/fags underrate her because she's a woman.
>>285030983Thanks! I believe in you too!>>285030999>/nart/I'm noticing.
Snake beats toad, snail beats snake, toad beats snail. It's rock paper scissors. Jiraiya would lose, and he did lose against Orichiamru and Tsunade won against Orochimaru.Orochimaru played with 4 tails naruto, Jirayia almost died by 4 tails naruto. I mean sure he probably hesitated cuz he is his student, but he should still be able to hold him off easily in order to compare him to Orochimaru>Itatchi.I think the only reason Itachi told Kisame they would lose or what not so he could have an excuse not to take naruto
>>285030937>And she couldn't re-attach her body by herself...which is why Katsuyu was going to do it.
>>285030999She also doesn't have any impressive feats and her skillset is literally just punch hard and regen. It's boring for fighting.
>>285030910my bad you are right. I was just remembering it all incorrectly. They were all handicapped then.
>>285031050>toad beats snailYet Jiraiya could never fuck her.
Owari
>>285031052And how is she going to do that if Tsunade had no chakra, speedreader.
>>285030999Because wounds never matter in this series and she never does anything interesting other than punch non living things hard and be a punching bag. Just saying that "she's a woman" is enough to discount her. Because there are zero relevant strong women in this manga.
>>285031134Trvth Nvke
>>285031053>She also doesn't have any impressive featsShe oneshot Manda, oneshot Orochimaru, summoned Katsuyu to protect every single person in the leaf village from Pain's shinra tensei, she broke Madara's susanoo, and survived getting cut in half by Madara's mountain splitting complete susanoo.
>the tailed beast hunting mission wasn't set until after Orochimaru already left>so the Akatsuki was Itachi/Kisame, Deidara/Sasori, Kakuzu/Hidan, Pain/Konan, and Zetsu since Tobi wasn't a real member yet>Deidara caught Gaara/One Tail>Hidan was presumably assigned to Yugito/2 Tails>Tobi as a new member was assigned the 3 Tails so that was likely Sasoris target>Kisame caught Roshi/4 Tails>Unknown who caught Han/5 Tails since it was during the time skip>if filler is to be believed Pain caught Utakata/6 Tails>if filler is believed Kakuzu was assigned Fu/7 Tails>unknown who was assigned Bee/8 Tails before Sasuke joined>Itachi was assigned Naruto/9 Tails but intentionally botched the missionSo who was Konan assigned to and who doubled up since no way Zetsu caught Han/was expected to take out Bee
>>285031053>all she can do is hit hardThat’s most of Might Guy’s whole entire kit, unless you consider kick nice is so much more diverse than her summon plus healing.
>>285031132>And how is she going to do that if Tsunade had no chakraBy not needing Tsunade's to heal her.
>>285031269Guy is fast
>>285031050Orochi was arrogant and he pays for it dearly. This dude is very much like the Naruto's Mayuri, with enough preps and self-control he could defeats most characters in the series (Itachi included).
>>285031195>She oneshot Manda, A snake who has no impressive feats himself aside from jobbing to a bomb>oneshot OrochimaruNo she didn't >summoned Katsuyu to protect every single person in the leaf village from Pain's shinra tenseiTons of them died and it didn't even matter since Pain just brought everyone back to life anyway>she broke Madara's susanooNot his perfect one>And survived getting cut in half by Madara's mountain splitting complete susanooShe was going to die if Orochimaru didn't arrive with Karin.
>>285031269>That’s most of Might Guy’s whole entire kitIt's also Lee's and people wank him too.
>>285030937The slug heals independently of Tsunade.
>>285031285>By not needing Tsunade's to heal herSpeedreader...
>>285031350>A snakeOne of the strongest snake summon.>No she didn'tShe did. After punching Orochimaru once he had to flee to a little bitch.>Tons of them diedNot due to the shinra tensei.>Not his perfect oneStill strong as shit.>She was going to die iNope because Katsuyu was healing her.
>>285031355The slug uses the user's chakra to heal.
I have a massive nostalgia boner due to the powerscaling arguments this is exactly what naruto used to be about.Thanks guys you made my night better today.
>>285031397Retard
>>285031472We don't sign our posts here. You're also wrong and lost. >>285031439
Why did Tsunade never bother to learn the Gates?
>>285031439It can to make healing better, but it's not dependent on her.
>>285031424Nah. You're not convincing me. Sorry anon, you failed.
>Manda is now shit because he didn’t come out of a 20 km explosion unscathedLegit the only reason why Sauce is even alive against Deidara. >>285031352This fan base really likes to extrapolate that jobber’s skill set while putting down a woman who has vastly better feats. Rock Lee is an average AP puncher despite being a taijutsu expert.
>>285031516>but it's not dependent on herYou're basing that on what?
>Orochimaru? Still alive.>Tsunade? Still alive.>Jiraiya? Dead. Gee I wonder which of the sannin was the jobber...
The Sannin got their name because they jobbed to Hanzo the Salami Master. By that logic, Jiraiya is the best Sannin because he died first. Orochimaru has the worst W/L ratio, which also makes him a solid contender for best Sannin.
>>285031516>Katsuyu has also noted that its power is directly tied in to that of its summoner and their Strength of a Hundred Seal.You're wrong.
>>285031584>while putting down a woman who has vastly better featsIt's why plenty retards believe Madara can beat Kaguya despite not only it being explicit stated that she's stronger, but she but up a better fight against Naruto and Sasuke than Madara.
>>285031673Hanzo was so underwhelming
>>285031446Have a good one, anon.
How was Kabuto able to summon a young-in-his-prime Madara even though he died as a decrepit old man?
>>285030454If kishi was a good writer he would have gone with nart and sakura, Could have been similar to guts and casca.
why did it take kishi forever to reveal that nardo was minato's son even though it was very obvious from the start?
>>285031704Madara is the biggest power thief in the show. Anyone riding him and picking him over the Chakra Goddess is retarded. >>285031712Him getting taken out by some tertiary Samurai is still a bizarre choice to me. Probably the biggest wet fart of a character in Naruto. Complete mystery why this happened
>>285031234Actually wait, Orochimarus position was never replaced since he took his ring with him so he was likely assigned to Bee and Konan caught Han.Makes sense the only woman of Akatsuki is never shown doing her job
>>285031446Powerscaling is like shipfagging but actually interesting
>>285030326Tsunade outscales both Jiraiya and Oro by the war.
>>285031834Same reason he waited forever to reveal Obito
>>285030376The design from the movie and anime is his sans the shorter hair, only the Boruto manga was 100% by Ikemoto and it's arguably better than the anime counter part.
>>285031943Lol. Lmao.
>>285029674wtf karma?
>>285031891They really are one in the same.
>>285031802>Guts and casca.No buddy this is a shonen , see their is no romance.
>>285030725>still struggles against a heavily handicapped Jiraiya and Orochimaru after.This never happened.
>>285031874Kishimoto used the war arc to investigate various conflicts he was interested in and scaled power accordingly as needed. He wanted a classic chambara samurai duel, and Hanzo was his choice to do it with. Therefore, he worked backwards from the end to what needed to change, that being Hanzo had to be way weaker than he appeared previously because Kishimoto had already screwed up and made the samurai all too weak. So he used the excuse that Hanzo grew too paranoid and secluded to train for the latter half of his life. So when revived he wasn't anything like his peak.
>>285031053>Punching through Madara's susanoo isn't impressiveDid Shikamaru make this post?
>Lose to 6 he old Itachi>Lose to Stage V Jungle AIDStachi>Lose to Groomed Sasuke>Crippled by Biden era Hiruzen despite using Edo Tensei>One shotted by TsunadeWoah, this Orochimaru is an S tier. S as in SHIT
>>285031134Kaguya?Also>Has an entire arc dedicated to her>somehow not relevant
>>285031802There's absolutely no similarities between those two pairs.
Which Akatsuki members could actually kill Orochimaru besides the obvious Pain, Obito, Itachi
>>285032226Deidara probably
>>285032226Konan can. Paper bombs are the strongest material in the series, next to wood
>>285032142She was a complete non-character
>>285024603It absolutely did. There hasn't ever been a war between two nuclear armed states.
>>285031986Quite literally the only thing current Jiraiya can do to War Tsunade is use frog song and the likes to cheap shot her because he can't actually overpower her, but that's like saying Tsunade can just undress to cheap shot Jiraiya.
>>285032316The entire conflict of the arc was around her trauma.
>>285032365What arc? She shows up as the big bad and gets beaten. She barely has any agency.
>>285032403I'm talking about Tsunade you mongrel.
>>285032430You should make better posts then
>>285030327
>>285032470The post i was replying to was talking about Tsunade, i shouldn't have to specifically mention her when Kaguya objectively didn't have the war dedicated to her.
>>285032528Uh huh
>>285031943nah she loses to base Jiraiya
Why did all discussion just die after bump limit?
>>285032726Canonically base Jiraiya was one shotted and hospitalized by Base Tsunade.
>>285033043Just like Naruto gets punched by Sakura but we all know
>>285033043Poisoned Jiraiya was considering killing healthy Tsunade
>>285033078He was only drunk when he made that threat
>>285033105
>>285033078Thinking and making a threat are different than succeeding.>>285033056Naruto was never hospitalized by Sakura.
>>285033134Irrelevant. The joke is obvious and Jiraiya never actually fought her.
>>285033127Oh yeah
>>285033149This argument goes both ways.
>>285033247I think Tsunade doesn't compare to Jiraiya based on the foes he was compared to, not just >>285033127 but I still think that page alone holds more weight than a "remember how you sent me to the hospital when I was peeping?" joke
>>285033127Sakura thought she could kill Sasuke.
>>285033296With poison, she could have. In fact she was a few inches away from doing so (maybe?)
>>285033285I mean, Jiraiya also thought he could beat Pain.
>>285033321Sasuke supposedly has poison immunity from Orochimaru.
>>285033328And Pain confirms he could have.
>>285030329>AI garbo
>>285032985Because you touch yourself at night.
>>285030865All I see is GODbuto upscale.
>>285033420This was the stupidest thing. There's nothing Jiraiya could have done to defeat Deva Path. The only way he "wins" is if he somehow goes straight to Nagato and assassinates him. Kishi was so stupid with Jiraiya wank.
>>285033521I'm sure your faggot ass enjoys thinking about that, huh?
>>285033534That's canon. As for defeating the Deva Path, he has various options, frog song is the obvious one since it gives him a full Pain party wipe, but Naruto struggled way more than Jiraiya would have since he has no long range jutsu other than Rasenshuriken, so Naruto had two projectiles to work with and no more.
>>285033534This place will roll their eyes at Shikamaru wank but will take every piece of dialogue given to boost Jiraiya.
>>285033567>he has various options, frog song is the obvious oneOkay, no name the other "various" options
>>285033612Kishimoto calling Shikamaru smart for figuring out the circle is wrong because we can all tell that a circle is easy to figure out.Kishimoto having characters say "X could have beaten Y" or "it's dangerous to fight X" is right because this is his power system.
>>285033619Oh wow. You're the obsessor anon too? Grim.
>>285033521I don't "get it"
My pain is still far greater than anyone's here
>>285033616Similar setup to the one he pulled on the three Pains. Attack on multiple sides, multiple times to get through the 5 seconds cooldown. He can kill him with a Rasengan like (base) Naruto did, let alone a Cho Oodama Rasengan. Goemon would probably do lots of damage without the ninjutsu Pain there to absorb it. Even taijutsu was enough to shut down one Pain's eyes.
>>285033612They also love to ignore how Orochimaru is still superior to him and cope with the inconsistent dialogue from other characters.
>>285033650ESL post
>>285033682NUH UH
>>285033688And what makes you think he'd ever get close enough during his 5 second cool down?
>>285033707I think it's clearly wrong and so did he when he went to fight him drugged and crippled, or when other characters vastly superior to Oro were threatened by Jiraiya but it doesn't matter so much. For some reason (You) seem very eager to defend the snake with your life even though he's not even alive or relevant to these chapters.
>>285033717>anon is projecting his ESL because he doesn't understand basic English Many such cases
>>285033780>For some reason (You) seem very eager to defend the snakeHow did you come to that conclusion, retard?
>>285033746This seems very doable. He handled three Pains with a setup like this, I don't think he would be unable to handle one like that, even the Deva Path which I assume is also faster/stronger than the others.I mean, Naruto did it with only two projectiles and a clone mixup. It's not easy but Jiraiya has many more options to work with.
Jiraiya power scalers are truly unhinged
>>285033846Tons of low quality Oro wank posts that don't really discuss the power system, in this thread and multiple others. It's fine to disagree on these silly cartoons but it's kind of unhinged to go on these inflammatory rants like your life depends on it.
>>285023980>>285024014>tries to teach the little war orphan with literal god powers a life lesson>abandons him in the war zone with no further guidanceJiraiya...
>>285033906What was the alternative?
>>285033883>it's kind of unhinged to go on these inflammatory rants like your life depends on itLol >>285033869
>>285033924Not abandon the Sage or Six Paths
>>285033951That'd mean abandoning Konoha though
>>285033960Didn't he already abandon Konoha and his squad on a whim? At least now he had a good reason beyond grooming Konan.
Orofags remind me a lot of Mihawkfags in OP powerscaling discussions. Most don't actually even really like said characters; they just bat for them because Oro/Mihawk being stronger is an upscale for Sasuke/Zolo, respectively, whom they actually care about.
>>285034023Lol >>285033869
>>285034023trvke.
>>285034023
>>285034023There's no reasoning with that guy. He reminds me of another poster btw.
>>285033682IKTF
>>285034065Yeah, he does give off the same vibes as the guy who accuses everyone of being his jeet lol
>>285034065Yep. I nailed it.
>>285034143Sasjeet...
Yesterday's thread was still better
>>285034023It's not even an upscale for Sasuke cause he flat out admits he only won cause Orochimaru was sick and dying and couldn't use his arms. Even if Sasuke himself didn't say it it's blatantly on the page.The Orochimaru that Sasuke "beat" is no different from the crippled purple arm one that poisoned Jiraiya/rusty Tsunade fought
Why are Jiraiyafags so insecure about Orochimaru canonically being stronger?
You are my friend!AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
>>285023951>>285023980This plan literally could not work on Konoha if Minato was alive. He can just telephoto the bombs away like he did during the Kurama attack
>>285034423Cringe
Do you guys ever feel like there’s a character we’re forgetting?
>>285034493rock lee, whatever happened there
>>285034493Tenten?
>>285034493>Sai and Yamato out of nowhere
>>285034493That random ANBU chick that was going to avenge her boyfriend?
>>285034514whatever happened there?!
>>285034552That’s not just her boyfriend, that’s Hayate Gecko who was revived in the Great Ninja War.
>>285034623>who was revived in the Great Ninja WarWas he?
We HATE faggots here!
>>285034803That brings up a fair point >>285023643Which character does it for you, OP? You an Asuma guy or go for the hairless twink types like Naruto?
Today, we learned the Orojeet was also the Sasjeet.
Today, we learned Jiraiyafags are very insecure about Orochimaru being stronger than him
>>285034641Nta, but I remember he had a fight in the anime.
>>285034870How much filler did they add to the war arc? I dropped the anime completely around the time the war was starting up.
