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Oh......
where are all the faggots calling me a shizo for saying this was axed now?
W-we don't know for sure it's been axed-->>285040667oh.never mind
what about the bunny girl?!
>>285040951dunno, either trapped inside the wood or dead.
>ESam last pageOkay NOW we know ESam going to end soonSeem like Otr will live for now
>>285041022>Seem like Otr will live for nowthe most final of all final bad guys just showed up, dude
>>285041022Anon....
>>285041059>>285041067I mean, Muzan's appearance is in chapter 11So final boss appear this soon is not a problem
>>285041244kys, faggot
>>285041244This is not that.Try thinking a bit.Can you see how they are different?
Well, it looks like it's about to reach the final battle between Otr and Fimbul vs. the evil king. To be perfectly honest, I was hoping for an Otr vs. Fimbul battle instead.Anyway, what are your thoughts on this latest chapter so far?It's a damn shame that WSJ will axe this neat Viking fantasy series.
>>285041329>It's a damn shame that WSJ will axe this neat Viking fantasy series.its not. the writing was absolute dogshit, same as the pacing. the mangaka should just focus on the art next time.
>>285041329Who knows what will happen next at this point. Maybe they'll find a way to seal the Evil King again. Anyways, I really liked this chapter!
>>285041244Anon, I don't know what to tell you, but that is not the same story. And besides, Otr's editor worked on Demon Slayer before, and I noticed he told Kawaguchi to use the Demon Slayer training arc, which is not going to work well with readers anywhere. It's Shuu Murakoshi if everyone asked.https://jump.fandom.com/wiki/Weekly_Sh%C5%8Dnen_Jump_Editors
>>285041329>>285041012>>285040973>>285040926>>285040896so were just memoryholing the hundred thousands of people murdered by the Ice Kingdom?
>>285041612Did you read the whole chapter? The evil king had just appeared, and they had to put their personal issues aside and focus on the bigger problem that arose.
>>285041329>It's a damn shame that WSJ will axe this neat Viking fantasy series.well it shouldnt have shit writing
>>285041547>>285041740Name 1 non-shit writting battle shounen in Jump
>>285040667OOF
>>285040667He looks so cool!
>>285040667It's..........it's over.........the axe won. I hope Kawaguchi at least gives us a Otr/elf sex chapter, or at least one with NTRpiko in the timeskip.
>>285040951Ears cut off by the axe.
>>285041866every Jump manga thats not axed is better written than Otr. why are you so desperately defending this shit?
>>285041329Why is this slut always exposing his belly for everyone to see?! Other than that his design is good.
I hope Kawaguchi can collab with a writer next time. I love his ideas and his art
>>285041329>flaming halo>wind cloak and cape>wooden sword and stone shield>water halo>ice swordsyep, final chapter next
>>285042063Why does everyone keep using the "need a writer" meme? It's getting really annoying.
>>285041329Otr's exposed tummy suit returning is a nice parting gift.>>285041022Speedy Shota and Viking Shota ending together is kino in a meta way.
>>285041329If he had introduced the Ice King earlier and fujo it up a bit series might be saved.Too late to do that now unfortunately
>>285040667F
>>285041982No fucking way is Modulo well written.
>>285040861>Wolfonium >Soul data in the snow>Viking metalKawaguchi's mind is an enigma, I would like to take a look at a CT scan of his brain.
It looks like the rest of the gangs will appear in the final battle.
>>285041547he should also work on his action scenes, I can't tell what's going on in them
>>285042859My two wives, top left and right will not appear most likely. It's not fair.
>>285042910I think they will; otherwise, it would be a waste to design them. And I thought that loli in the middle would've appeared right after the Dorf Valley arc since Kawaguchi seemed to put her in the front.
>>285042535Because he can't write for shit and someone needs to keep his goon side in check
>>285041866>>285042756Nobody said the other are well written, just that they are written better (by a fucking lot) than Otr
>>285043088Nah I would consider both equally terribly written.
>>285043056So what? It's not like other series like Harukaze Mound hasn't been doing better since its two authors. Hiring a writer won't make any difference.
The biggest problem is the boring shota protagonist. If he makes the same main character again, he shouldn't even be published.
>>285041329if I have to suffer Otr getting axed, I demand Ultimate Exorcist Kyoshi, Money Forest, and Gonron Egg, and Hero Girl and Demon Lord Call It Quits all get axed too because they're infinitely worse than Otr could ever be
>>285040667>oh shit better teleport the big bad to the heroes and make him a dindu>oh shit better bring some real big bad as wellYOU ARE HERE>oh shit better explain qualities of Spiritonium element for the last powerup>oh shit better reveal we're actually in a reality-shifting saga and break some fourth walls
>>285043269Its because they are two bad authors.>Hiring a writer won't make any difference.It does when the writter is better than Kawaguchi and face it, pretty much anyone is.
THE AXE SWINGS MERCILESSLY
>>285043323As much as I love to see Otr live as other series get axed. Saito made his decision, and he wasn't known for making a good decision before.also money forest is from jump plus, not in wsj.
>>285040667AXED
>>285043372the meta elements of red hood were teased early on
>Another Battle Shounen bite the dustTHE AGE OF BATTLE SHOUNEN IS OVERITS TIME WEEKLY SLICE OF LIFE MANGA
>>285041329UUUOOOOHHHHH SHOTA TUMMY
>>285043528And to think WSJ used to be home for the Battle series. Grim.
What was the other's axed Viking manga before Otr?Sad this is close to be axed like Red Hood, btw.
>>285043833I think don't what name is it but there is shota mc with huge axe but that one wasn't that good. At least Otr didn't end up in u19.
>>285043833>>285043898
>>285043044They'll be volume bonuses
>>285044015The author of this aparantly has a one shot coming out in a few days that should be on mangaplus
>>285041329Kawaguchi needs to do two things.1) Team up with a writer and learn what pacing is2) Perhaps leave Jump and try to start a series in a magazine that isn't so demanding in an attempt to actually finish a series.
>>285044277>1) Team up with a writer and learn what pacing isIt won't make any difference if the writer is dogshit, and I would rather have Kawaguchi doing it on his own.
>>285044304>It won't make any difference if the writer is dogshitIf that ends up being the case, then he's just fucked. Dude will never be able to tell a coherent story.
>>285044377Not everyone cares about writing in battle shonen when they can enjoy good action; that's all that matters to casual readers.
>>285040776You've been saying that for the past 33 chapters.
>>285044813Nta, but you'd have to be pretty stupid to think it wasn't going to be axed.
>>285041329What a beautiful Axe Kino...
>>285044673the action here wasn't good
>>285044904And you're the reason why everyone hates axefaggots.
>>285041244don't worry, Anon, I will hold hope with you
>>285045209So does the rest of the series in wsj, well, besides people fight that is.
>>285040667i will miss the big tiddy smith girl
>>285045326she shoulda have join otr team after the Dorf arc; it's stupid not to.
>>285040667axed, fuck.
>>285040667Honestly I laughed a little. RIP, may your next try be as stylish as Red Hood with a better story than Otr.
>>285040861Shortstack, your present…
>>285045801It's supposed to be Otr's signature weapon since the first WSJ cover, and yet he barely uses the dwarf sword and treats it as just a power-up to unleash the final powerful attack. I don't know why Kawaguchi's decision on the fire sword as Otr's main sword after acquiring the dwarf sword. Like, what's the point of having a dwarf sword in the first place?
Kawaguchi needs to stop trying battle shonenMaybe a big woman sports manga, or some SoL thing with all the weird creature designs he's good at would work
>>285040594>>285041329>sold less than Kaedegami>sold less than Ping Pong PerilAnother terrible chapter, Shueisha's biggest mistake was not axing this series. Jump will rejoice once this money sink gets its long deserved axe.
>>285046558Who cares? Saito axed kdg and ppp since both got much lower surveys than otr. I'm not sure why you keep thinking the sale is final and nothing else matters.
>>285041612what do you expect from shitty axebait writing?
>>285044015That unironically had more potential than otr. Sadly the author was still too inexperienced.
>>285045305Every other current WSJ series has better action, even if they are also bad
>>285046865>That unironically had more potential than otr.Bait used to be believable.
>>285046904not really.
>>285046410>I don't know why Kawaguchi's decision on the fire sword as Otr's main sword after acquiring the dwarf swordYou now understand why we are saying he should get someone to write for him. He can still writte the general story but he desperately needs someone to draft the chapter by chapter dialog and stop him from just putting whatever idea pops in his head without consideration
>>285046665>I'm not sure why you keep thinking the sale is finalBecause it is. KGB being the prime example. Only really got a decent ranking after the previous EiC got fired and even him didn't have the ball to axe it because it was selling better than everything bar the top 4
>>285046965Or his editor should call him out instead.
>>285047027None of this matters since people who buy a kdg manga are not the same as people who vote in surveys. The surveys are and still are crucial for new series, and that's it.
>>285040667Oh it's DEAD dead
>>285041547JJK is far worse in writing and it’s a bestseller in SJ
>>285046904KGB and Ichi has dogshit fight choreography and it’s not getting better
>>285046535Fuck off. Besides needing to improve his writing, he needs to stop insisting on publishing in the WSJ after Otr. The stories he wants to tell don't appeal to the readers of this shithole magazine.
>>285047041Apparently, all the current editors at Jump are incompetent. They look at the mistakes the authors are making and simply approve everything.
>>285041329It deserves the axe. Good art can't save shit writing and awful designs.Don't fucking make shota mc, it kills your manga
>>285041149There is something hilarious about a dude casually walking his dog after the whole country went Defcon 1
>>285045241It's okay anon. Let it all out now that you can.
>>285046928It had better shota and a actual semblance of a story different from Dragon Quest wannabe number 30987123972101 (it was also shit tho)
>>285047811You say its shit and no one will argue, but again, still better than Otr. Just to show how bad Kawaguchi is at drawing action and writting
>>285040594>>285046558People talk as if this wasn't being called axe bait since chapter 1, the plot only got to an acceptable point after 20 chapters or so. It's already a miracle this didn't make it into U19
>>285049010This is such a shitty bait, and you ought to shame yourself for posting it.
>>285049240Whatever man. At some point you gotta ask why your favorite author always fails despite you thinking he is better than everyone else in the magazine.
>>285049426>At some point you gotta ask why your favorite author always fails despite you thinking he is better than everyone else in the magazine.Don't you put your word in my mouth, and I'm not going to argue with you when you unironically think Ice Grill Head is any good.
>>285049486Saar, I didn't say it was good, I said it had more potential. Learn basic (second grade) semantics before engaging discussions
>>285049188Thank God it made it past U19.
>>285046410It's probably just rushed plot points like with the Ice King. Otr's main sword was likely supposed to be upgraded at some point similar to something like Ichigo's sword changing forms over time or Meliodas wielding better and better swords, but because that future was not to be he swapped to a different weapon earlier.
>>285041329Disappointed it is ending. I love Kawaguchi's art, and honestly wish he did have a writer helping him on things, because I admit that he has pacing issues. Now part of that this timw around might just be WSJ editing pressure, because Otr seemed to be going through new forms at a rate of about once per volume, but it still ended up feeling constantly rushed, once it got through the initial arc with the training.
>>285050832I would rather have Kawaguchi practice his writing than team up with a writer. Also, I would have preferred he move to Jump Plus to make a new series, something like SOL Big Girls. He needs to go with Nichie.
>>285051145Something like this one.
>>285041866Dragon Ball
>>285050832Dude, it was even worse than that. Otr had a second form by chapter 2 and another by chapter 4...
>>285051979>Dude, it was even worse than that. Otr had a second form by chapter 2 and another by chapter 4...What are you even talking about? Where did he have a second form in chapters 2 and 4? Because I'm sure as hell he doesn't have that.
Kawaguchi should make a fanservice manga for Dragon Age Monthly or make some fantasy-themed hentai for COMIC ExE.
ok what do you think went wrong this time?i think the cast feels hollow, maybe the idea was to know them better in future chapters but right know they don't bring or offer much to the story
>>285052610The characters are one-dimensional. I think Kawaguchi needs to stop with the shota protagonists. Chapters 3-6 were also a pacing killer. The training arc was boring and inconsequential.
>>285052149Ok, at chapter 4 he used the same form chapter 2. But he had another change on chapter 7.So one form at chapter 1, then another on chapter 2 and yet another on chapter 7. Happy now anon?
>>285053443>I think Kawaguchi needs to stop with the shota protagonistsagreed, the merchant dude that partnered with the wind spirit had more character to him
>>285041866Toriko
>>285052610Kawaguchi himself is what went wrong again. He is the Ideas Guy. Its like this anon said:>>285049786Same with his forms. Its feels like nothing is progressing organically. No one but spirit wielders can deal with the ice demons? Then its retarded how none of them is on the frontlines. Ice spirits is sharing its powers with multiple warriors? Its retarded how no other spirit is also doing it. Heroic vigor is retarded and was just an excuse for the trainning arc. Shota mc has no weight behind anything he does. Others characters are mostly irrelevant. What about Mc's sister? We only get to know her thru flashbacks? Why does the MC say he cares so much about the village but the author doesn't show shit about it to make us care? Actually, we dont see much of anything in the world in terms of interactions. Its just like advancing a world in Crash 3 or 2
>>285052610>ok what do you think went wrong this time?They should've U19'd it
>>285053979that one thing im glad it didn't.
I just want Otr to live.....
>>285053443>>285053541Why do you guys hate shota mc in general so much?
Finally this dogshit manga will finally be axed, it should've happened a long time ago. Even the 3 otrfags nercobumping their shitty manga have lost all hope.
Kawaguchi comment
>>285043528>>285043687>And to think WSJ used to be home for the Battle series.People were saying the same in 2008-2013.
>>285052610>ok what do you think went wrong this time?The opposite of what happened to Red Hood: Kawaguchi had zero confidence in the manga's survival and just threw random ideas he had, probably to avoid being blueballed like it happened with RH and its ambitious plot with meta elements.>>285053443>>285053541Having a shota protagonist isn't the problem. The problem is that Kawaguchi's protagonists are incredibly bland without a trait beyond "I want everyone to be nice and happy :)" and are quickly overshadowed by the rest of the cast. They're mere spectators in their own stories while others do the talk.
>>285052610>ok what do you think went wrong this time?It getting greenlit in the first place. Kawagushit should've had never been given another chance to begin with after the massive failure of the abysmal Retard Hood. Nakano would've of rightfully rejected it
>>285056517What was your problem with kawaguchi? You sound like a schizo.
>>285056849He makes shit manga, wastes everyone's time by taking up a WSJ slot, and camps it for 30+ chapters despite garbage sales/toc results
>>285056517>>285056882I already said that you should kill yourself.>wastes everyone's time by taking up a WSJ slotThis could be said about the entire current lineup of the magazine with a few exceptions. And if you're wasting your time on this, it means you're so miserable that you have nothing better to do with your pathetic life than consume something you don't like.
>>285056996Who said I was consuming it, dipshit? It takes less than a minute out of my day to make a passing comment, meanwhile you're here actually getting upset nobody likes your favorite manga.
It's funny how you guys never blame the editor. The magazine is clearly lacking better professionals.
>>285052610He fumbled the beginning with uninteresting developments in the first volume and didn't give the MC enough of a personality. Things picked up in the dwarf arc and you can see that even in the more positive reception the chapters started receiving at that point, but by then it was already too late to turn the ship around since most of the potential audience had already lost interest. Overall he did improve a bit from Red Hood which had a stronger first chapter but then dropped the ball immediately after that. His art and character designs also got better and more distinct. He should be in a good position to succeed on his third try as long as he actually learns from his mistakes this time around.>>285053709To clarify, I think the reason behind the rushed plot points is because the manga got axed. Kawaguchi had ideas he wanted to include in the long term but when it became clear that there was no long term he speedran through those to give the readers a picture of the vision he had for the series. The pacing was actually fairly slow before the axe notice came so I don't think that was a fundamental problem.
>>285057321Only one thing I can blame on the editor for suggesting a Demon Slayer training arc, it was a seriously bad idea.
>>285057468I feel that the new editors no longer know how to guide manga artists. If you read the early work by guys like Toriyama, Katsura, Kishimoto or Oda you can see a clear technical and narrative evolution. But you don't see that with the current manga artists. They seem to be struggling alone and therefore always fall into the same mistakes.
>>285057713kawaguchi's currect editor is Shuu Murakoshi, who is also editor for harukaze mound. https://jump.fandom.com/wiki/Weekly_Sh%C5%8Dnen_Jump_EditorsFun fact, he used to be editor for Demon Slayer, so that's why it looks so familiar in early chapter.
welp, gonna fap to Otr for the last time
>>285057756why? are you gay for otr?
>>285057321>Muh editorLol, that's always the excuse otrfags come up with. No editor can save Kawaguchi's shit writing
>>285055782Mexicans really hate shota MCs for some reason
>>285058206but why tho?
>>285058326because that anon is making a stupid overgeneralization that conveniently ignores dragon ball
>>285058178A good editor knows how to help an artist avoid making risky decisions. Otr's editor clearly didn't.
>>285058470Or maybe that shotahating mexican was never watching Og Dragon Ball in the first place.
>>285058206We love shotas (and lolis) tho.
>>285058559I know.
Fylgja is the other big problem of the series. She barely talked, she didn't have fun interactions with otr or the rest of the cast. She only appeared to drop us some info dump about spirits. She was so hollow the only memorable thing from her is how she had mommy sex with the previous user and the kyuubi mode.
>>285058775It is also another problem I have with Fylgia too; she is supposed to be the main character, for Pete's sake.I will miss her cute loli form
I will miss urdr's udder
>>285058775>>285058874Which is funny because Kawaguchi was aware of it.
>>285058937
I wish otr to live...
>>285051145His work is always more popular in mangaplus with westerners than with japanese readers so it would make more sense. Really, he doesn't need to improve his writing that much when you look at Red Hood, it's just that he rushed the shit out of the exam arc bc axe and then tried to do the opposite with Otr so readers bailed before it got good, plus he played it very safe trying to copy MHA, it didn't feel as passionate as Red Hood.I still think he has what it takes to make a true classic.
>>285056308I think Velou in Red Hood was cool. He had more spunk and it was cool to see a protag whose sole skill is ACTUALLY just being a good strategist, but Jiggas just want dude that punches hard
>>285059712So, having Kawaguchi move to Jump Plus would make much more sense. I do wonder if he is still interested in fantasy after red hood and Otr? I do think going for a modern-day Japan setting would make a safe bet, even though I never like boring modern-day Japan settings.I just wanna see him doing an actually big gal as MC. I thought Captain Alajoki would have joined Otr after chapter 2 but she didn't.
>>285059828Honestly, people acting like Otr was only liked bc of Kawaguchi's gooning is really telling because there was very little of it compared to his other work
>>285059944I do love Red hood and Otr serie even if it has some flaws. Big women were just a cherry on the top.
>>285053443Shota protagonists are good. Just not this one. I'm a shotacon and even I don't care about him. Otr is cute. And that's about all he has going for him. He's so lacking in personality that he doesn't even feel like a real character, let alone a protagonist.
I will miss her...
>>285057713yeah, it feels like they don't recognize talent nor are able to nurture it.torishima knew toriyama had another hit and realized he was very good at giving a sense of space, so he had him do dragon ball and turn it into a martial arts manga.another editor would've grown complacent at being dr slump's>>285057321editors are multiplicative, they can't turn shit to gold. shinigami taguchi was a blight but even the best editor wouldn't have salvaged red hood.
>>285047678>>285047811it makes sense people who like shit wouldn't be able to recognize what other works do better.all three listed here run laps around otr, which is why they sell 100 times more>>285046558i think the editorial wants to bet on kawaguchi eventually making a hit so they are "training" him by letting him run longer. kinda like how horikoshi made omagadoki zoo before doing mha
>>285061311>even the best editor wouldn't have salvaged red hood.I do think the best editor would've had him shitcan the village arc and exam arc and focus more on grimm and velou adventure and relationship. >>285061393I don't know if the editorial will ask Kawaguchi to make a new series after the Otr series. I feel like they could just let Otr last a little bit longer.
plsstayaliveotr...
>>285061875oh absolutely, under a competent editor he would've focused on fun adventures where they fight cool fairytale monsters.we needed more of picrel
>>2850413292 axes in a row? This guy should look into just doing comms. His art's good but actually making a manga is not his strong suit.
>final bossoh mean its actually over...well at least he get 20+ chapters in, next time fuck training. Just let the kid go on an adventure.
>>285062423By that metric, so should've Horikoshi lol
>>285062397and he STILL teased us in Otr with those crabs at the dock
>>285041329>>285062494So it goes.
>>285040594>Boring Mc>Fylgja being a actual weapon instead of a character>Characters being boring in general>Slow Start>Bad Pacing>Great Art but sometimes hard to follow>Characters Sindra, Skadi, and the elves being fujo repellentAm I missing anything?
