Japan aims to stop manga piracy with AI translation training programhttps://asia.nikkei.com/business/media-entertainment/japan-aims-to-stop-manga-piracy-with-ai-translation-training-program
>>285062881>paywall
>>285062881The bottom left translation is borderline unreadable.
>>285062881>read the left>read the rightlol. yeah this wont stop anything
>>285062881>for a student as unadorable as you it's easy to ask for various thingsgenuinely what did she mean by this
Not my problemI don't care
Obviously not reading the article, but Mantra is just a shitty browser based photoshop that DLsite forces its translators to use so they can control the entire process. I used that shit last month and it didn't have AI.
>>285062881>stop manga piracy with AI translation training program
Didn't they learn nothing from the death of Manga Planet?The only way to get foreigners pay for manga is to force them to learn Japanese.
>https___cms-image-bucket-productionv3-ap-northeast-1-a7d2.s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com_images_1_7_2_1_11971271-2-eng-GB_08f5b93b227f-photo_SXM2025122600007793.jpg>asia.nikkei.com link in the OP>Japan aims to stop manga piracy with AI translation training program>japan-aims-to-stop-manga-piracy-with-ai-translation-training-programI think OP is a bot.
>>285063118Because he saved an image and copied the title from an article?
>>285062881Good luck trying to convince anyone to pay for AI slop.
>>285063504They do for scamlators with sick moms.
>>285062970You translate for DLSite? I once bought a translated doujin to compare with a scanlation but both have issues
>>285063519And I'd rather subscribe to Kirei Cake's patreon for life than read manga translated with AI.
>>285063504Some people must considering those paywalling groups keep releasing more.
>>285063552How do you think Kirei Cake translates?
>>285063552But they are worse than gemini flash
>>285063546Anyone can sign up to translate for DLsite, it's not like the author approves what comes out
>>285063139I did do that.I was kinda hoping someone else would summarize the article for me, really.
>>285062881If they can make it accurate and readable I would be interested. I have no problem with them putting the latest chapter or volume behind a paywall while letting you read older chapters for free.
>>285063679What if the second latest chapter and first three chapters free to read and the rest limited to a freemium model, e.g. one chapter per day and more viable via ads or payment?
>>285063747I'd be fine with the second latest being free and a limit of ten chapters a day of older chapters. The limit of ten a day should be per series. They could offer ads or a paid ad free model if you want to go beyond that.
>>285063747You should be able to read everything for free eventually
>>285063793Ten chapters is equivalent to two whole volumes and the yearly output for the series. Most people read less than that per day.
>>285063829People who like manga will want to keep reading chapters of a series they like. One a day they will either lose interest or just read the one chapter then go to another site and catch up to the latest. I for example read a lot of manga and spend an hour or two a day reading it before bed. I find it relaxing. The site I use is a "piracy" site since there is no official english option that is as easy to use as the site I use. I buy my volumes of series I really like from jp amazon even I can't read them yet.
>>285063084Manga Planet is dead? That explains why I'm no longer receiving their spam.
>>285063829>Ten chapters is equivalent to two whole volumes and the yearly output for the seriesFor monthly manga, not for weekly.
>>285063890What's the point of a freemium model if you have to bankrupt yourself?One chapter a day is a proven system in Japan.
>>285063980The vast majority of manga is monthly. Weekly is a tiny fraction of the overall market.
>>285063987That was why I suggested keeping the latest volume behind the paywall. I would find an alternative from a one chapter a day model. You have to be a better alternative than a piracy site to win that battle.
>>285064008But weekly manga are by far the most popular in the west.
>>285064069>shounenslop for weak attention spanschecks out
>>285064069How many of you read gems like Kowashiya Gen or Kimi wo Ai shita Seijitsu na Kuzu?
>>285064092Well, yeah. Children are less likely to follow the story if they have to wait more, I wager.
>>285064116The second biggest manga magazine in Japan, Corocoro Comic, is monthly and aimed at young children.
>>285064114>Kimi wo Ai shita Seijitsu na Kuzuyou sure this is the title anon?
>>285064151Yes.君を愛した誠実なクズAny difference is just going to relate to Romanization.
Why are physical volumes so expensive !?>:0
>>285064224Buy digital.
>>285064219thanks anon, i tried searching by the romaji on baka updates and google and neither showed anything (except some movie). is it only the one chapter/oneshot so far?
>>285064141Does it have manga with complex plot? Or is it just gag manga?
>>285064224shipping is the only thing is expensive about manga. you can easily get whole collections or more for less than 5k>digital? picrelyou can get a lot of manga for 33-99yen if you wait a bit
All those digital services are total trash.>"This content isn't available in your region">"403 Forbidden">"Error 1009 Access denied"And they will be stay trash. Especially Japanese ones.Only Steam is good more or less despite having same "this content isn't available in your region" issues enforced by some publishers and devs. I'm radicalized enough to never engage with any digital distribution services. >CR/Wakanim stopped working in Russia >after some time they geoblocked access to their sites
>>285062881>fill manga with unreliable slop translationsthis will have the opposite effect people will look for better translations
>>285064300>All those digital services are total trash.>what is vpnif you still can't access it, pull up incognito window with your vpn in, paste the link and buy it. plenty of manga gets me errors when i buy it (mainly adult) but this method never fails me
>>285064328VPN is humiliation ritual. Bring me true digital future. Without region locks, geoblocks, copyright dogshit etc.
>>285064406licensing agreements will ensure that'll never happen with any country anon
>>285062881I'm not against AI as a first draft, but still needs an editor and revisor to check the original text and fix whatever AI miss. I think this will be the way of all future translations.
>>285064420
>>285064294You can't buy Kindle books outside of Japan
>>285064507lol, lmao here's my recent orders anon. i also sub to kindle unlimited
>>285064294You have to use a VPN for that.Which fucking sucks. I want a JP Kindle for the built-in monolanguage dictionary, but I wouldn't be able to buy books for it anywhere without either a, paying through a VPN, or b, removing the DRM and converting to mobi.
>>285064300Try honto, they don't give a single fuck as long as you pay.
>>285064577>You have to use a VPN for thati only need to use a VPN for shota/loli or r18 items. i usually buy what i want with no problems, and even then you can 1 click buy by going to the series page (without vpn)
>>285064546How do you feel about the shitty resolution the JP publishers serve?
>>285064546How do you do it? What country are you from? I've been wanting to buy JP Kindle books to practice my 日本語 but it doesn't let me.
>>285064604Some series have poor resolution, some seriese have good resolution. in reality it makes no difference to me. if i really like the series i get the special edition large size manga or just physicals in general (also in nip). there is no gotcha here.
>>285064592Maybe they are less strict in your region. I'm in the EU and physical orders go through without a hitch, but Kindle cockblocks me every single time. And my purchases are Kodansha and Hayakawa novels, so nothing sketchy.
>>285064625I'm a burger anon. i've had no issues since 2014 in buying ebooks. the only thing that realistically changes is some r18 being walled off but it's easily countered by the vpn or the vpn +incognito mode method.
>>285064625>JP Kindle books to practice my 日本語 but it doesn't let me.You can also use something like KOreader with JP dictionaries for epubs
>>285064644do you have a nip forwarding address on your account at all? like tenso or blackship? that's the only think that could be different. I know EU has weird blocks like auctions not being accessible so im not sure but definitely give a vpn a try. i just use the paid proton one
>>285064267>is it only the one chapter/oneshot so far?It's been running weekly since that issue. There's 18 chapters so far.
>>285064604Just 自炊 bro
>>285064625Use Kobo or Bookwalker instead.
>>285064652Even using a JP VPN, it doesn't let me buy anything
>>285064705cmoa is also a good one. i don't have issues there.
>>285064406You and I both know this will never happen in our lifetime
>>285064705I've used Bookwalker before for manga, but LNs are almost exclusively on Kindle
>>285064725use a different ip on your vpn or a p2p one, have you tried the vpn+incognito window?
>>285064743I'm pretty sure you need a JP shipping address to buy Kindle from Amazon
>>285064741>but LNs are almost exclusively on Kindlehttps://bookwalker.jp/st1/https://bookwalker.jp/subscription/novel/Kadokawa is one of the biggest publishers, why wouldn't they sell in their own store?
>>285064770do you want me to buy something to prove you wrong?
>>285064604Some American publishers have even lower resolutions.
>me learning japanese everyday for 4 months >can somewhat read the left alreadyjust learn japanese
>>285064725You probably need residential VPN. Check /g/ archives. They had list for popular vpns with residential ips
>>285064300It's always your own government at fault.For instance DLsite is blocking Germany to avoid getting sued.
>>285064912How can you sue different country on the different side of the world for not obeying your local laws? DLsite isn't even hosted on your land.
>nips publish new translation of novels in ebook format>shit yeah, final->shitty godawaful web client What is their fucking problem? I'm already a paying customer of a niche fucking product, just let me save my fucking files you stuck up stumpfucks.
>>285064963Germany assumes that anything offering German language content is aimed at German citizens. Project Gutenberg was blocked for a while because a court ruled that way.https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2018/03/gutenbergorg-loses-to-german-publisher.html
>>285062881>""stop"" piracy by actually making it so the "pirates" can access your goodsWAOWi know japs are autistic about piracy being stealing but this is just good business, not piracy prevention, that being said I doubt today's AI is good enough for it.
>>285065002Illegal manga translations already largely rely on automation.
>>285064808On average, the JP is lower.
>>285065045How do you even calculate an average for that?
>>285064276>Does it have manga with complex plot?It has manga with continuous stories.
>>285064996The site is still active so it's nothing? And I don't get it. Why not just ignore all this if you're in the different country and your site is hosted outside of Germany? District Court of Frankfurt? Where is the Frankfurt? Owners of DLsite don't even speak German.
>>285065156>The site is still active so it's nothing?They removed the block in 2021when the German copyright for Heinrich Mann had expired.DLsite began offering German translations and a German interface and that made them a valid target in the eye's of the German authorities, even when 99.999% of the content isn't German.
>>285064682>>285064682>do you have a nip forwarding address on your account at all?Nope. And unfortunately my bank can be a little anal about VPN. Paying with Amazon bucks through VPN would most likely work, but I don't like going through so many hoops just to illegally buy something.
>>285064300MangaPlus would be okay if its UI wasn't so shit. It has by far the least obnoxious monetization.
>>285065221The point is that they can't do anything unless site was hosted on the German land or owner was a German citizen. Everything is just clown world bootlicking. Russia for example sued 4chan, myanimelist and all other blocked websites. Moot didn't defend 4chan in the District Court of Blyad. So 4chan is guilty and should be punished. 4chan doesn't care so Russia blocks 4chan on their side. This is how it should be. DLsite shouldn't block Germayn, instead Germany should sue DLsite, call it guilty and...block it on their side by wasting German citizens tax money on DPI. This is justice. Basically any website that prematurely blocks countries is doing other country's job for free for no reason. It's kneeling to censorship that can't affect you.
>>285062881>For a student as unadorable as you it's easy to ask for various things.Looks good, ship it.
I don't care, I read like 5 series during the year.
Here's another lol, lmao for (You). This will never make them money, in fact it may reduce their bottom line.
>>285065439They can't do anything directly, but they can do things indirectly if they have enough influence and care enough compared to possible consequences. Of course that is also true even if the site blocks them first.
>>285065439That's because Russia is a pariah without relevance.
>>285065561Nah. It's a legit business in Japan. It's not Pirate Bay case where cabals can pull the strings. Just screeching from Euro Truck Simulator enjoyers. Similar to UK (remember pic). Japs are just submissively and easy to scare with scary mails.
>>285064604>buy on Bookwalker a series to support the author>the version uploaded on an aggregator has higher image quality than mineWhat the fuck man.
>>285065776Very Japanese
>>2850657144chan didn't obey the laws of The Great Britain. Neither did Gelbooru after sharty raid. If anything Cloudflare is the true enemy because they obey (for free) and they own 95% of internet. And they can deny your website.
>>285065873Those aren't publicly traded companies with significant revenue.For DLsite, continuing to operate in Germany is a liability that stands in no relation to the amount of money they get from users in Germany.
why is there so little interest in improving the speech bubbles in manga with AI to suit the English language better? comic lettering is pretty much an artform that is expansive enough that you can easily train models on it. Noone cares for MTL and we're reaching the point where an unpaywalled version of comerical models can just MTL manga for you if you upload the images.
>>285066005DLsite is a victim of censorship fearmongering as Germany has no mechanism to enforce their stupid laws out of their jurisdiction in other countries. The only thing they can try is cloudflare shenanigans which may result either in geoblock (no difference) or nothing. Another interesting things are new free speech US laws for 2026 designed specially to tell fuck off to Germany and UK.
>>285065255amazon gift cards are your best bet. you shouldn't have any issues buying them for you account, turning the vpn on, and just buying them. I've bought seasons of anime this way to get around some vpn ip blocks. if there's a will there is a way
>>285065873It's fucked up how this law is so shit yet is so shittily enforced in bongland.Need a vpn to use imgur because they understandably told us to fuck off but they can't do anything to this shit hole
>>285066602>Need a vpn to use imgurJust use bybydpi or something similar. Or run blockcheck. I bet their blocking methods are very primitive. Maybe even simple DNS poisoning (just use DOH)
>>285065776Where does the aggregator get it from then?
>>285067027Dunno for sure, maybe EbookJapan, or AmazonJP, I know there is a tool for one of these to save the images.
>>285062881>already have official translations>not enough for them>will undercut both freelancers and official staff with job theftdid the prime minister bet the treasury on shueisha and viz media or what?
>>285067394And foreigners still will continue to pirate and refuse to use official services
>>285067507Official translators are shit.
>>285067635Other translators are shit as well. Learn Japanese if you care.
>>285067646I am and I'm also not going to make excuses for trannylators butchering stuff they're offended by.
>make one minor utility to translate manga>AAA OH GOD NO you need to be grinding every day for *** months like me please stop translating things and and plz join my off-board general im lonely
>>285067635This will never not be a dekinai weebcel cope. Fan translations take way more liberties and are done by people way worse at both nip and english.
>>285067829Pointless without the original text for comparison.
>>285062881Why is the numbering wrong on the bottom row?
>>285067855Not at all because it's in posted in the thread where the image is from.
>>285062881That will just make piracy easier.But with bad TLs.So it's their win, I guess.
>>285067829Seven Seas flows better in this case, but >>285067855 is right.
I've seen enough mtl hentai to know this shit isn't going to work
>>285067924If you weren't a tech illiterate loser you'd find the original page in less then a minute no it's not pointless.
>>285067829But please do post the raw Japanese one to back your point?
>>285067967You're the one posting the example, it's on you to facilitate such matters.
>>285067829No they don't. They're more often wrong because the lack of oversight allows people of any level to contribute but corpo translators are the ones that more often knowingly fuck things up. And they're the only ones incentivized to do so, since their audience are dekinai and won't know anything's changed and they get to avoid bad PR and potentially gain more readers that would have been offended by an accurate translation. Conversely fan translators only get involved because they're fans; they already like the work and have no reason to fiddle with it. You cherrypicking patreon grifters and /u/troons doesn't change anything.
>yuriTROONSbeingYuriTROONS>weebcelninbros?
>>285068053Holy dekinai delusions. No one with the ability to compare ever came to that conclusion. Most fan translations are made by ESL "learning Japanese via translation" and for profit ESL MTLers.
>>285068489>Most fan translations are made by ESLerhm that is all translations?
>>285067895That's how it's meant t be read. The blurb in 8 comes before the text in 9.
>>285067812What are you talking about?The scanlation threads are practically dead and they don't force people to use Photoshop, some there actually used GIMP.Mantra is a commercial company selling a service.https://mantra.co.jp/index_en.html
>>285068674>Entirely different panelsNo
>>285068748>some there actually used GIMPand what is wrong with that
>>285068796/gd/ snobs insist you need to pirate Photoshop to get things done.
>>285068489I already addressed literally everything in your post. Good job outing yourself as an illiterate.
>>285068896Your post is nothing but desperate rationalization of why you, someone that clearly doesn't know Japanese and thus can't actually know the truth, believes what you do. People that can know the truth all arrive at the same conclusion; officials release are far more competently translated than fan release on average.
>>285068489>Most fan translations are made by ESLWhat's the issue?If ESLs don't know English, JSLs don't know Japanese.
>>28506934You don't even know English.
>>285069488The issue is that they know neither English nor Japanese very well but are very eager to distribute their works.A normal Japanese learner is going to make mistakes but they don't upload them on the internet for eternal preservation.
>>285069898>eager to distribute their works.Good. True "internet spirit". 95% of anime, manga, games, VNs, LNs were translated by ESLs. Just imagine the parallel world without ESLgods. All EOPs can do is dunning–krugering about their superior language knowledge on internet all day. While barely literate ESLgods save billions.>don't upload them on the internet for eternal preservation.Cuckold mindset. That's why japanese internet is total shit. Took them 17+ years to translate Planescape: Torment
