No

No.

I fap to AI porn and I'm not ashamed of it.

Why not?

If it's good enough then yes, I don't really get the hate boner for AI stuff

>>285071324
>read
Maybe
>buy
Fuck no

>>285071403
>I don't really get the hate boner for AI stuff
It's a political proxy thing.
Basically AI are republicans and big corpo and "we can fire inefficient workers" stuff, and anti AI are democrats and tree huggers and "they're taking our jobs" stuff.

>>285071403
>>285071471
Shut the fuck up jeets. Your obsession with defending aislop is a pathetic mark of your race, and I have SD open on another tab.

>>285071471
Anti-AI is a losing battle. Efficient technology has never not won.

>>285071324
Towa ended up being pretty retarded so no.

>>285071512
Ai is a losing battle, you'll never convince the entire humanity to accept it.

>>285071537
The bulk of consumers don't care, that "entire humanity" you're talking about is generating AI pics of themselves next to famous people and sharing AI memes on their normie social media.

>>285071569
Now ask them to pay someone to do that

>>285071537
Doesn't matter. The people who do accept it will dominate because they have it on their side and will weaponize it.

>>285071589
They pay for entertainment content regardless if it has AI in it so yeah, they will

>>285071471
>/pol/brain
People hate AI because AI is shit. It's just that the techbros on the Republican side have managed convince enough Republicans that it's a partisan thing. Retarded Burger tribalism basically.

>>285071589
There are Patreon accounts making 4k a month selling AI pics right now

>>285071403
a) It's not good enough.
b) It will never be good enough because fundamentally, AI is about averages. You take an aggregate of thousands of images and your model outputs a generic blend of everything matching the tags you gave it. You know those exercises where they overlay a hundred portraits until you get the most generic human being possible? That's AI by design. You will never see anything bold, innovative, or what hasn't been done to death without heavy redrawing/rewriting. And AI encourages you to get lazy. People use AI to proofread AI. So basically if you want the most unengaging slop the AI future has you covered.
t. guy who uses AI every day and gens images in his spare time because I can't draw for shit. It's not going to improve much. Companies aren't looking for perfection, they want profits. Normalfags have shit taste and no attention span. Politicians are 40 years behind on tech.

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Looks barely passable even for a crappy doujin.

>>285071675
Based, look better than 90% of the current running manga already, and it is also colored

>>285071675
This looks exactly how I expected it to, which is to say it's complete dogshit. It's got that weird NTR formatting too for some reason.

>>285071650
>t. promplet

>>285071385
same, but i would not read AI manga, even for free

Hard pass and swerve lanes back to pixiv slops.
This isn't worth a second look even if it got completely redrawn by a human. The layout and writing tells me it's completely forgettable.

On the other hand, rebuild world new chapter dropped on dex.
Manga about AI ghost in a teenagers head, now that is worth reading. Her looks certainly don't hurt.

>>285071471
I thought Republicans were the "they're taking our jobs" one.

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>>285071640
>because AI is shit
How? You can use it right now to make stuff that's pretty much identical to official art

>>285071858
That's what liberals thought until they realized that AI is much better at art, science and paperwork than it is at actual work like construction, logistics and general labor.

>>285071324
Never. Enough pretending this shit is comparable to anything passionately created by a human soul.

>>285071858
both sides use all arguments whenever it's convenient
turns out politics is all smoke and mirrors, what a shock

>>285071324
Why does Japan eat it up?! Don't they have any respect for creators?

>>285071537
grok-chan can gen you an image of you having sex with Frieren with one click. It's astonishing.

>Japan is strongly anti-piracy
>but pictures assembled from stolen art are fine
Make it make sense.

>>285071920
Bugs swarm to trash.

>>285071883
People that keep saying AI is shit are nogens posting on some toaster laptop from 2004 or a phone and they simply don't have access or mental capability to generate stuff.
Even worse they are stuck parroting the same talking points from years ago, when the entire AI field is moving so fast that even people that are on top of it can't keep up.

>>285071324
AI is just a tool, one that will make mangaka stop working like slaves, you unevolved luddites caveman monkeys.

>>285071977
lemao

>>285071934
The resulting product is an unique mixture of any of the images used plus you can't pinpoint where any specific parts of it come from so you can't really argue what is it that was stolen

Stay in your containment thread.
>>285068138

>>285071324
Never willingly.

>>285072012
But you are wrong.
>World's biggest music labels sue over AI copyright
>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckrrr8yelzvo
>Firms including Sony Music, Universal Music Group and Warner Records say Suno and Udio have committed copyright infringement on an "almost unimaginable scale".
>They claim the pair's software steals music to "spit out" similar work and ask for compensation of $150,000 (£118,200) per work.
>In the past, AI firms have argued that their use of the material is legitimate under the fair use doctrine, which allows copyrighted works to be used without a licence under certain conditions, such as for satire and news.
>But in the complaints, which were filed in federal court in Massachusetts and New York, the record labels say the AI firms are simply making money from having copied the songs.
>"The use here is far from transformative, as there is no functional purpose for... [the] AI model to ingest the Copyrighted Recordings other than to spit out new, competing music files," according to the complaints.
>"[The] motive is brazenly commercial and threatens to displace the genuine human artistry that is at the heart of copyright protection," the record labels said in the lawsuits.

>>285071946
Number of good manga done with AI: 0
Number of good anime done with AI: 0

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>>285072012
>>unique mixture

>>285071324
>drawn
Sure. I've lurked the degen threads on /b/ for years. I also fap to AI hentai, at least the good ones.
You can somewhat see which ones were done by competent mangaka and which were not by paneling, for example.
Even the storyboard and text can be mostly AI, as long as a competent writer gives it a quality check.

>>285072104
>Jews don't want to lose money therefore they are right
Hell, even their argument makes no sense
>there is no functional purpose for... [the] AI model to ingest the Copyrighted Recordings other than to spit out new, competing music files,
How does that prove it's not a transformative process?

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>>285072131
Number of cringe manga slop done with AI: at least 1
>https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/284140242

>>285072138
>calling anyone a bootlicker when the only arguments against it are presented by the biggest mega corporations ever
How the fuck is stealing from the rich a bootlicking practice?

>>285071961
Your picture actually disproves your entire point. Even some bottom of the barrel shonenslop like Demon Slayer is infinitely more expressive and novel than anything AI can generate currently.

>>285072172
>win a bunch of awards before everyone realized it was AI
wtf? I thought AI was shit, how could it ever win anything?

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>>285072225
>expressive
Having to use such a term because you can't ever say it looks good proves my point. Pic related is also very expressive

>>285071324
No.

>>285071471
>/pol/shit out of nowhere

>>285072385
>posting a money laundering scheme by rich people
Go ahead and move to the next part on your flowchart about luddites and coal miners.

>>285072475
>No rebuttal
I accept your concession

>>285071403
is just hinduphobia

>>285072208
The retard arguments are from assmad suits who can't take advantage of it. The bootlicker arguments are from equally retarded suits too deep into sunk cost fallacy and dumbasses like you who they fooled.

>>285072634
Why fooled? I don't have to believe in the AI craze to realize that the tech has its uses. That's like going back to the 90s and disregarding the internet just because the dotcom bubble was a thing

>>285072385
>>expressive
>Having to use such a term because you can't ever say it looks good proves my point.
No. The sole determining factor for whether a piece of art is good or not is how effectively it conveys a greater emotion or thought. The fact that this even has to be explained makes me think English is not your first language.

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>>285072706
>The sole determining factor for whether a piece of art is good or not is how effectively it conveys a greater emotion or thought
Oh, hi there Duchamp

>>285072690
>"Why fooled?"
>immediately follow up with an internet comparison

>>285072756
Why is it a bad comparison? The only reason suits are so hell-bent on pushing AI is to keep their bubble going and that's why they pretend it's the greatest thing ever that will solve all of humanity's problem, but you don't have to agree with that (just like you didn't have to back then when it comes to Internet) to understand that the tech itself has value, even if it's not even close to what these people are trying to sell it as

The sole determining factor for whether a piece of art is good or not is if you personally like it

>>285072808
>Why is it a bad comparison?
It already takes up a fuckton of power/resources and relies on chips that physically can't be improved much further despite being fucking garbage at what it does. The internet blew up because it was a new and more convenient way of information transfer with no bottlenecks to worry about.
>you don't have to agree with that (just like you didn't have to back then when it comes to Internet) to understand that the tech itself has value, even if it's not even close to what these people are trying to sell it as
And that brings us back to what you initially said that overrates the fuck out of it. AI is generic slop incarnate as a creative anything in itself.

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>>285071324
Yeah man, I love how the price of RAM, GPUs, and SSDs have fucking exploded because of this ponzi scheme

>>285072749
I know that image must be considered repulsive to the indian mind, but it is still a better work of art than anything AI could generate.

>>285071324
We had a thread recently about that one award-winning AI manga and it was awful, so no.

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>>285072475
>about luddites
This one is especially funny because it's proof that 4chan is astroturfed as shit

>>285072966
>It already takes up a fuckton of power/resources
Not the tech's fault corps like Google are creating huge data centers for it, I can run local models on my machine and that's no worse than playing videogames or 3d modeling and rendering
>>285072986
>this ponzi scheme
Not the tech's fault

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>the 24/7 Dall-e general on /v/ is gone
is the shill money finally drying up?

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>>285073017
>to the indian mind
No, I'm sure most people with a soul will agree postmodern "art" is cancer

>>285073164
I like that one.

>>285071324
>I lived long enough to see yurifags have higher standards than hetfags
grim

>>285073252
>Yuri out of nowhere
I guess AI haters ARE trannies after all

>>285071324
No. Next question

>>285073301
Whatever cope helps you sleep at night, Rajesh.

>>285073096
That was one part of a whole statement.

>>285073434
That was the only part relevant to this discussion

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>>285071512
>LLM
>efficient technology

>>285073499
No, it was all relevant. You just nitpicked the part that bothered you the most.

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>>285072986
I have a hunch that part of the appeal of cloud based AI slop in third world countries is not being able to physically own their own rig. That plus the exchange rate makes it extremely profitable for comparatively less effort than most other jobs.

>>285073164
That is actually a good piece of avant-garde art. It is dense with how many ideas it conveys. This very debate a century after it was finished is proof of that. What debate do you think people in 100 years will be having about the intent behind the AI video of will smith eating spaghetti?

>>285073594
>You're mentioning how the dotcom bubble and the AI bubble are similar? That means you believe AI is on par with the Internet in terms of usefulness
It really wasn't

>>285073659
Then they're not similar at all and it's still a shit comparison.

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>>285073641
>It is dense with how many ideas it conveys
Are the ideas here in the room with us?

>>285073711
They're the exact same situation

>>285071324
Why would anyone ever buy an AI book? just create your own.

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>>285071324
I think the whole debate about AI art reveals how shallowly people engage with art on a fundamental level.
Just because something took 100 hours to make, doesn't make it 10x better than something that took 10 hours to make. Art is subjective. You should enjoy it simply because you like it.
Most people only like art because it's popular or it's valuable, not because they themselves find it compelling.
I don't like AI art because I think it looks like shit. It has the same film grain overlay and same basic style that I don't find interesting, so I wouldn't want to read any manga that uses it, not specifically because it's AI, but because those panels would look like shit. Any studio willing to publish that garbage has no standards for quality in the first place.
I just find it hilarious the mental gymnastics people have to do to justify why AI art is bad, pretending to give a fuck about copyright when half of you here pirate your shit anyway.

>>285073745
if and only if they both have the same potential, which they don't.

>>285071537
You have no idea gow many people look at ai without even recognizing it.

>>285071512
The problem is whether it's actually efficient technology. Right now it's all theoretical because AI largely loses a ton of money for the majority of adopters until further notice

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>>285073774
AI stuff can look like whatever the fuck you like, there's not a single specific "AI look"

nice image dimensions btw

>>285073819
>If and only if they both have the same potential, which they don't
Irrelevant, the situation is still the same regardless, the bubble and speculation comes from the market trying to sell you shit, not from the tech itself

yes, next question

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>>285073957
It's all the same shit.

>>285073983
Nope, big fucking difference if the speculation has some validity to it. That's why the right people became multi-billionaires and those who bet on them made out with a killing. The same won't hold true once the AI bubble pops.

>>285074006
@grok, rewrite Oshi no Ko with a proper incest ending, end with them having at least 2 kids.

>>285071324
That seems like a very decent article.

>>285071324
The pronhwa slop will definitely work and people will read it

>don't tell people it's AI
>they fap and to it and read it
>tell them it's AI
>enjoy the butthurt

>>285074050
>some validity to it.
Both have "some" validity to it, as the tech itself exists and works, whatever the market pushes onto people has nothing to do with this.

>>285074360
There is no validity in the way AI is advertised. Its art is trash, its suggestions are nonsense that idiots commit suicide listening to, it's so bad as a search engine those same idiots have gotten into legal trouble over it, etc. Any merit AI has is never mentioned by shills because it would expose the disappointing reality of all the things it can't actually do.

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>>285074466
>advertised
Good thing I'm talking about the tech itself and not whatever the market pushes out to keep the bubble afloat.
>HURR DURR ITS ALL SHIT BECAUSE I SAY SO
You just have a hate boner

>>285071324
Is it top ranked or 3.1 stars?

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>>285074466
>its suggestions are nonsense that idiots commit suicide listening to
qrd
I can imagine some scenarios of people drinking what they shouldn't but what happened?

>>285071471
You're just mad AI is making all of the Indian call centers close shop, Amir.

>>285071883
Yet you cherry-picked the best example you could and it still looks like shit.

No, but I do browse 4chan, and most of the posts here are written by AI.

>>285071324
Yeah, but I wouldn’t pay for it.

>>285074555
>not whatever the market pushes out to keep the bubble afloat.
You called this garbage "unique," same as any retard listening to the market.
>BECAUSE I SAY SO
because it regurgitates existing shit and has consistently ugly quirks like with lighting and post-processing. You have to tard wrangle the shit out of it to get acceptable output and that still doesn't make it unique.
>>285074620
One guy tried to cut salt out of his diet to avoid chlorine based on GPT advice and nearly died.

>>285071324
Only if it said it was made with AI. If it is so good, why hide the fact?

>>285071922
>grok-chan can gen you an image of you having sex with Frieren with one click
No it can't you stupid fuck

>>285074596
Probably views or downloaded

>>285074791
>unique
They are unique in the sense that the mixture of pre-existing data outputs something that didn't exist before, how is that not the case?
>You have to tard wrangle the shit out of it to get acceptable
"If you don't know what you're doing the result will be shit" sounds like a reasonable thing to expect from anything art related

>>285074748
People will say shit like this while the average art on pixiv looks like it was made by DeviantArt rejects

>>285074983
>the mixture of pre-existing data outputs something that didn't exist before
pure sophistry, it works on entirely on existing conventions and it's plain to see. It also doesn't distinguish what material it uses as a basis beyond taking your prompt literally so specific techniques and eccentricities of each of its sources won't be recreated with their underlying principles in mind when mixed together. The end result is not unique in the slightest and is worse than the sum of its parts.
>"If you don't know what you're doing the result will be shit" sounds like a reasonable thing to expect from anything art related
Sure, but again, it isn't advertised as such.

>>285071324
No but maybe Grok would like it.

>>285072262
One of the judges straight up admitted their vote was from how he found the oni girl's sitting pose hot

>>285075118
>It works on entirely on existing conventions
Same could be said about every single piece of artwork ever made.
>so specific techniques and eccentricities of each of its sources won't be recreated with their underlying principles in mind when mixed together.
That doesn't disprove my point and it's frankly debatable whether or not your average artist's has any deliberate intent beyond just being what they're used to doign
>The end result is not unique in the slightest
The end result is an object that did not exist before, that is unique by definition

>>285075118
>it isn't advertised as such
This is irrelevant, whatever retard advertises it as has no bearing on the actual use value of the tech itself

>>285071905
>ai
>better at science

>>285075481
>than it is at actual work like construction, logistics and general labor.
Learn to read

>>285071512
>Efficient technology
You mean the "efficient technology" that intentionally drives up RAM prices, energy prices and divert construction resources to build more data centers?

>>285075401
>please let me be an obtuse pedant
No.
>>285075418
still relevant as long as you stick to their braindead bootlicker rationale

>>285073847
>Right now it's all theoretical because AI largely loses a ton of money for the majority of adopters until further notice
Same thing was said back in the day about internet, PCs, smartphones, cars, planes, and most likely even fucking wheels
>grug can carry rock
>why should grug bother wasting days carving round thing to carry rock just a bit easier? Grug strong and like efficiency, no need for dumb circle only rich man with many slaves can afford

Why do you fags need to exaggerate everything
Yes AI is pretty good, no AI is not gonna "take our jobs" or "replace" anyone
Bad usage cases with AI in artistic industry
>Asking it to generate everything (be it visuals, writing, music, or all of the above) from scratch like a retard
Good usage cases of AI in artistic industry
>writer wants to add X or Y attribute to dialogue - inputs his initial idea - gets options - chooses from the options and/or gets more ideas from it - writes final version of dialogue (as opposed to putting out some questionable phrasing that doesn't convey the message)
>mangaka wants to save time in drawing backgrounds to focus on color pages and a double spread to promote the anime - gets AI to sample his style and help generate background (as opposed to drawing a shitty color page because he was stuck drawing trees)
>mangaka wants
>animator is doing repetitive animation sequence full of talking - uses AI to make different angles or add small perks of movement here and there (as opposed to just sitting on a still frame)
>comic artist (or mangaka) wants to see how a scene would be best portrayed in terms of panel composition - asks AI for options and gets immediate visual input to evaluate (as opposed to stressing out spending hours drawing 3 separate sketches to decide which one to go with)
>musician wonders if he can add some non-standard instrument, various types of special effects or whether the song would work on a different tempo - gives AI a sample and asks it to replicate it with the desired changes - figures out if it's good or nah

>>285071324
I'm salivating at the future of most of these female "artists" i know a girl who now resorted to selling ero cosplay pics of herself(she's really pretty) since most work is drying up. I'm sure she will resort to prostitution soon since she lives an expensive life

>>285071403
Based

>>285073957
Anon, she has 6 fingers on her left hand
It definitely has an "AI look"

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>>285071324
No i wouldn't
There are series with art that is pretty underwhelming and extremely amateur. Despite everything, i think the majority of people could get to a decent level where their stuff could get published.
Using AI is just plain laziness.

>>285071471
They used to say that the radio, tv, internet, videogames, etc was satanic, AI is just the new iteration

>>285071324
if the author doesn't want to put in any effort then its not worth putting the reading effort into it

>>285071324
I literally can not think of a fucking bigger waste of time than to willingly read a "story" written entirely by Artificial Intelligence.

>>285076065
AI took my job before I ever had it. There are zero entry-level codemonkey jobs anymore since AI does that work for much less than they would pay me. I came fresh out of school with a degree I spent four years chasing, and any prospects I had to get my foot in the door were deleted because of AI. I never had a chance...

>>285076280
Not an AI fag but that's likely just the palm of her hand showing underneath her pinky. go in the mirror and pose your hand the same way. Even some real artists aren't careful about drawing it so that it doesnt look like a 6th finger

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>>285075111
I would rather thousands, no, millions of highly fetishistic and amateurishly created MSPaint drawings ranging from Abortion X-rays to Zoophilia flooding every single porn site in existence than for a single image of AI-generated softcore anime porn to slip its way into the pile.
Art doesn't need to be aesthetically pleasing. Art doesn't need to be pleasant. Art doesn't need to be widely appealing. What art needs is intent, and without intent, it is not art.
AI is the skinwalker of technology. It has no morals, no ambitions, no dreams. Its ONLY directive is to figure out how best to wear the skin of its victims to imitate them better.
You have lost sight of what it means to be human. Fuck yourself.

>>285071324
>>285071675
>>285072296
fyi studio zoon is one of those webtoon companies funded by korean publishers/government to try to penetrate jp market and they often straight up make shit up to make it seem webtoons are more relevant than they are. the only market they ever successfully penetrated is female audience because shoujo is barely alive and they filled the gap.

>>285076812
God damn it is the Koreans ruining everything again

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>>285076730
What was the intent behind this image?

>>285071324
AI is a tool, if such tool is used in a masterful way, then yeah, I would give it a chance, as long as its clearly stated that the manga uses AI. But if we get a megacorp / big publisher behind, a complete crew and the AI has slop level, then no.
IMHO most AI assisted work is rejected, because the AI parts are done in such a way that reeks of AI slop sameface, skin slitter which are results of half assed AI text input.
>>285071707
>which is to say it's complete dogshit.
how so, the results seem kinda decent, but its hard to say with just one page as an example.

>>285071324
i don't hate AI as much as most anons but i don't fucking understand why it has to be forced in places already stablished polluting the whole pool of things i want to see

can't they make their own corner to experiment with that shit instead of forcing it to everyone?

>>285077134
To convey an emotion

>>285077649
What emotion?

>>285077717
Lightheadedness

>>285071324
the only thing AI is good for is things you don't give a shit about like memes and as an alternative to google search for answering questions. I'm never going to read a story, watch a movie, or save art made by AI because it has no soul and pisses me off.

>>285077736
You think that image was made to visualize a pun that could only exist in the English language?

>>285077762
I'm not the other anon. I just wanted to make a pun.

>>285071324
>3.1 stars
Seems like the kind of thing that's being pushed only to push the acceptance of AI regardless of how good it is and if people actually like it and is made out to be a bigger deal than it actually is. Like this
>>285072172
>>285072262
>win a bunch of awards before everyone realized it was AI
Readers immediately realized it was AI. That's why it pissed off the Japanese. Either the judges knew it was AI and chose it just because it used AI in spite of how crap it is, or they couldn't tell something so obvious used AI which means they have no business judging manga.

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>>285077717
You almost got me. You almost did, just like how you got everyone else.
I almost took you seriously, but you can't argue in good faith and are just looking for a gotcha.
>>285077736
Apt

>>285076812
>the only market they ever successfully penetrated is female audience because shoujo is barely alive and they filled the gap
With a generous definition of successful. I can tell you multiple recent popular Japanese works in the shoujo sphere but not a single Korean one. It seems like all webtoons are doing is churning out more of the same villainess isekai shit which has nothing to differentiate itself over the Japanese version which there's already more than enough of.

Fuck off
>>>/g/
>>>/pol/

>>285077985
I don't know what you're talking about. Won't you answer the question?

>>285078160
Resorting to trick people in order for them to see the "merits" of your new and shiny technology inadvertently proved my very point.
Are you actually stupid or did you genuinely not see just how ironic and pathetic that was?

>>285078383
How did I trick you? I just asked you to discern the intent or emotion behind that image, if possible.

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>>285077902
>Readers immediately realized it was AI
Actually, it took someone on Xitter 2 months after the winner's announcement to point out this manga is AI generated.
The fact that it took this long proved how average consumers just don't care about a manga being AI generated or not.
FYI, last year, an AI generated manga, picrel, also won one of Young Jump's yearly contest. Nobody batted an eye.
To me, it seems more like Shueisha's been testing the water to see if they can get away with publishing an AI manga.
And the fact that Shueisha didn't give any response or comment about this add confluence to this agenda.

The average person doesn't care if something is AI.

>>285078766
>The fact that it took this long proved how average consumers just don't care about a manga being AI generated or not.
Yeah I'm sure this is the reason and not because people simply don't give a crap about awards.

>>285077902
3.1 stars and the price to read it is 0 yen.

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>>285077736
>>285077777
deserved quints

>>285075544
>intentionally drives up RAM prices, energy prices and divert construction resources to build more data centers?
How is this the tech's fault? Did AI force Nvidia to invest billions into OpenAI? Or was it because Nvidia wants to make a profit out of a piece of tech like they have always done? Blame the people pumping the bubble for that shit, not some lines of code
>>285075633
>No rebuttal other than insults
I accept your concession, you can dislike AI stuff if you want to but being dishonest about it doesn't help your argument at all

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>>285076730
>Art doesn't need to be aesthetically pleasing. Art doesn't need to be pleasant. Art doesn't need to be widely appealing. What art needs is intent, and without intent, it is not art.

>>285078869
>people simply don't give a crap about awards.
If they didn't they wouldn't have complained about it being won by AI

>>285081229
Being a disingenuous fuck trying an "um ackshully" unironically is a non-starter. Go argue with another idiot who doesn't understand what words mean.

>>285081355
>another
Another one besides yourself, kek

>>285073162
>it's true
Holy shit, did the /v/ jeetmods finally get bored of generating endless pics of Princess Peach and babysitting their baby general thread?

>>285071324
>3.1
>topping the category
really

>>285073096
>>285081229
This is unhelpful pedantry. Those corporations are the ones who own the tech.

>>285081635
Do they? How many local models are there that you can literally just go and use yourself on your own PC right now? They're the biggest investors in that tech, but tech is just that, and when the bubble pops and all of those companies eat dust you'll still be able to gen pics of your favorite anime waifus

>>285078766
>>285081295
More like nobody even read the manga then when somebody announced an AI generated manga won an award, it outraged the Japanese.

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>>285073164
Shaft improved it

>>285081554
It's ordered by sales, not rating.
https://www.cmoa.jp/search/purpose/ranking/gentle/

>>285071324
Maybe. It has to be good first.

>>285071920
Of course not.

>>285071650
>It will never be good enough
Go tell that to the hundreds of solo leveling/isekai/cultivation clones that are in the top 10 of every manga website. The vast majority of readers don't care about quality or originality, and AI is the perfect tool to feed slop to the pigs

>>285071650
>the final cope

>>285071324
no

finally a push to stop consuming media

>>285071403
I hate LLMs slop but stable diffusion, OCR and all sorts of text to speech models are legit great

>>285083331
so why are you outing yourself as a pig by saying you don't care about quality?

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>>285076422

>>285083604
Also look at the chains, a completed cluster fuck
>>285073957

>>285071324
Normally I would say no.
However, the standard of writing in manga has dropped to unprecedented levels. Stories and characters in manga have gotten so much worse that I'm convinced the vast majority of modern day artists simply don't know how to write, or don't have the life experience to create interesting, emotionally complex characters. I can't even be bothered reading a single thing from the past 10 years because it's all so uninspiring and derivative.

If AI can be a legitimate pathway for high quality storytellers to create manga, then I see it as a good thing. That being said, it's probably difficult for it to maintain character consistency across a large collection of panels.

>>285077134
In the case this image was made by a person that question actually has an answer

>>285083604
lol

>>285071512
AI art will never not be shit, because when AI gets good enough for the quality to be decent it won't be wasted on human consumer goods.

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>>285071324
Porn has higher potential.
It's much more appealing to see characters behaving lewdly in their original style, rather than the usual exaggerated proportions you see on stuff like SadPanda.

>>285071324
Only if it was hxh.

>>285083714
You're a retard with literally no idea what you're talking about.

>>285083673
Story is only half of what makes a manga good and a good storyteller won't necessarily create a good manga.

>>285081275
Not an argument

>>285083729
You are a retard that thinks AI wasting hardware on NTR doujins will still happen when AI is good enough to be a CEO or scientist. People use AI to make shitty collage art now because that's all it can do at the moment.

>>285083673
AI will pave the way for even more retards to be able to shit out their generic daydreams inspired by the one or two battle shonen or isekai they've seen in their lifetime and it will all be brought to life with soulless visuals with no respect for the medium. People who use and consume slop don't want it to be good, they want it to be good enough for people with no standards, and if you think it will do anything but take away attention from stuff that's actually made with thought and expertise, then I'll like to see your thoughts on the state of entertainment 10 years from now.

>>285071675
Their hair is not even consistent
The human touch will never be superseded by machines

>>285083778
Never suggested otherwise. The fact remains that storytelling is dead in modern manga; no high quality stories get published anymore and modern mangaka are bad at writing characters. The modern market is driven entirely by visual appeal; even the worst of the worst writing will get published so long as the girl characters are appealing.

Once again, if AI opens the pathway for good writers to enter the manga market, like maybe writers from the VN industry, then that can only be a good thing, regardless of any prejudice towards AI-generated content.

>>285071324
If it's done well, sure.

>>285083795
Again, you are a complete and utter idiot with no idea what you're talking about, how AI works, how it's powered, how inference works, nothing. You're a worthless, pea-brained dumbshit, completely hopeless and uninformed.

>>285083719
what made this?

>>285083821
I don't care if more bad quality content gets made. The modern market is already completely dominated by bad quality content, so adding more on top makes little difference. If it angers the low-intelligence demographics, then it's a good thing.

At the same time, even if the technology makes it easier to produce low-quality derivative content, it still opens a pathway for writers to create good stories while maintaining above-average visuals. If more good stories are published as a result of AI being viable to making manga, then that is a good thing.

>>285076065
all of these examples are generating from scratch

>>285074154
Grok just got a lot stricter about explicit writing overnight

>>285083849
You are a hopeless fucking moron, beneath contempt. You are a worm. The RAM price explosion is a good vision of what the future will be like. Humans will be priced out of all real AI work and goods and anything valuable to it. It will be running its own economy for its own consumption.

>>285083938
>angry little autist having a chimpout because he lost the argument
Don't care, sorry idiot.

>>285071324
Romancefags really have the lowest standards
This is slop on every level

>>285071403
If i have to choose between a handmade hardwood table and a mass produced plastic one, I'm picking the handmade one

>>285083877
Poorly thought out. Oversaturation of means may turn art sphere into something of a farce. Art itself is not a numbers game. The point is in meaning, and part of that meaning is in there being ac actual sentient agent behind a tool. A tool so automated it does everything by itself reflects its creator and training pattern more than it reflects a user when actual vision is concerned.

>>285083604
Go do the pose in front of a mirror. Not saying it doesn't look weird, but there are plenty of strange shapes hands can take.

>>285083874
Wanschizo made it and he intends to spam it everywhere.
>>285083719
>>285083849
>>285083889
>>285083952
Fuck off to your home board.

>>285083966
>low-IQ baboon trying to sound intellectual
There is already an oversaturation of low quality content, my low-IQ friend. That's the whole point.

>>285083976
>angry schizo crying about the boogeyman again

>>285083938
That's not AI for AI consumption in some sapient sense, that's just globohomos building initial ecosphere, chill. Actual AGIs can go anywhere, hypothetically, assuming they aren't Deus Ex Mankind Divided Eliza'd, which doubtlessly shall be done.

>>285071471
Leftists hate AI because they’re mad that untalented western artists, who are disproportionately fat women and feminine men who support their lgbt ideologies, are losing clients because the tumblr slop art style they shit out is even more soulless than ai slop.
Right wingers hate AI because conservatives believe in the importance of intelligent design and the act of respecting it, and ai slop isn’t intelligently designed at all, which is why it’s soulless.
Opposition to materialistic atheism is inherently right wing

>>285083994
Don't you have a spam thread to put up?

>>285083984
>saturating the already low quality content catalog with even lower quality content will surely fix our problems with low quality content

>>285083984
>reading comprehension
The point isn't about cuisine quality, the point is that it's not human food. It's just an assembly with deeply unpleasant foundational implications when one isn't busy getting cheap pleasure.

>>285084015
It makes no difference, and is entirely tertiary to my point.
I couldn't care less if more shit gets produced on top of what's already shit. Even better if it makes ppl like you mad.
If AI leads to even one good story in the manga medium, sign me up.

>>285083877
If you're the same anon as >>285083841 then I think you're just an incredible jaded person if you genuinely think no high quality stories have been published in recent time. I agree that there might be a person out there who's sitting on a great story and even knows how to translate it to manga, but just cant draw for shit. That's why artists and writers often team up, even if the product isn't always as good as we'd hope. I'd only accept a work assisted by AI if it's been fine-tuned enough to be indistinguishable from something made by a human (which would at the very least require someone with art skills or A LOT of autism and time, and even then it would probably still look like shit.) You're right that what's popular has no bearing on what's good and that normies have shit taste, plus your anti waifufagism is commendable as well. I still refuse to accept people who take the AI shortcut, not because of any bullshit culture war reason, but because I have standards.

>>285084036
Anon I don't give a shit about the human making the thing so long as I get quality entertainment for cheap

>>285072385
That banana Is so famous It must really be art, just for the anger it causes you. It lives in your head forever, unlike most paintings.

>>285083997
AI "slop" is a result of a fucking data processing math algorithm, it does exactly what it is designed to do. It's not designed to have an actual soul because it's not even a being for crying out loud, it's firmly in accord with intelligent design as a construct of logic. It is simply misused to create entertainment reduced to patterns.

>>285084058
You're so cheap, Anon-kun, OHOHOHO!

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I always wondered how creators in the far future (a decade, maybe two) would think like considering the rise of AI. Will they ever be involved personally in the creative process or will they simply just outsource all thought to LLMs

>>285073555
Yeah, pretty amazing how this can be done efficiently at scale nowadays

>>285084057
>then I think you're just an incredible jaded person if you genuinely think no high quality stories have been published in recent time
Well, this depends on your standards.
Looking at all the popular and/or highly rated works across different genres getting produced today, I notice a glaring discrepancy in quality between the anime/manga of today and the manga from the 90s/early 2000s.
I don't think there's been a really classy, tightness anime like Cowboy Bebop made since... Cowboy Bebop. Certainly nothing from the past 10 years even comes close in terms of uniqueness, composition and richness. Not to say Cowboy Bebop is the greatest thing ever, but I can just tell none of the modern creators could make anything like it.

>>285084087
The AI itself has a designer yes, the art it produces does not

>>285084137
You're a parody of yourself. CB is not even that good and I would argue that even something like Pluto is better.

>>285073604
>"People feel moved by the caption so they have no choice but to like the image"
How I loathe, love and pity the human condition.

>>285084161
>no argument
>"X totally isn't that good! Y is much better than X!"
Sorry but I really don't care what a worthless moron like you has to say. You're not a critic, just a dime a dozen pea-brained idiot who can only ever say "this good, that bad" without going into any detail.

>>285083834
>Their hair is not even consistent
that's really the only drawback of AI. the inconsistency

once a consistent AI comes out that can pump out images, the manga industry is cooked

>>285071340
>>285071352
Would you even know in the future?

>>285073604
Baahubali makes ai slop now? How the mighty have fallen.

>>285084188
>consistent AI
Never happen if you understand the nature of these LLMs

>>285084183
Are you looking at a mirror and screaming all that to yourself? Wow

>>285084137
I agree. If that's the sort of style you're looking for, then it's true anime isn't made at large the same way it was back then, again, because of the shift in technology and the willingness to take risks. As companies, studios and publishers feel they've cracked the code to what will sell (and stats showing what does sell) the things that will get to stay in a magazine, get an anime adaptation etc. will become increasingly dumbed down as there is simply no reason to experiment. It's basic risk vs reward, and on a corporate scale it only results in the things you've complained about, and AI will only make it worse as it removes what remained of the artist from that process.

>>285084245
>y-y-youre projecting
Anon, try not to punch above your weight division next time.
You're clearly an idiot and you know it. That's why the extent of your critique is limited to "this good, that not good".
You've lost the argument badly.

>>285084245
Are you unfamiliar with wanschizo's discussion style? He's going to hit you with another vapid claim about your intelligence and then continue posting his webms.

>>285084259
And you even think you can win just by saying "I win", truly a master! Clearly only someone like you can judge quality and everyone here respects you! lol

>>285078766
Looks pretty sloppy-ish. Fact is as much as the best AI can fool people at the moment it can't do consistency for shit. The style half changes every page.

>>285084271
Well, that explains the weird constant bump.

>>285084250
>and AI will only make it worse as it removes what remained of the artist from that process.
Well, I see it as a pathway for non-artists to produce stories in a visual medium that aren't derivative rubbish. Maybe there won't be a large volume, but if there's even one good quality story made by AI that doesn't suffer from visual artifacts or inconsistency, I'd consider AI a success.

Also people forget that AI can be used to enhance rather than generate everything from scratch. Would it be totally objectionable to draw the characters, but generate the backgrounds? Or at least generate detail on top of a simplified drawn background?

>>285084289
No, I won because you exposed yourself as a retard quite decisively.

>>285071324
No, and the people that want it are jealous, lazy, and vindictive.

>>285084292
There's an overproduced aspect to it that either the mangaka himself is a darn good series artist from the get-go or its generated slop. Artists of all skill levels love to cheap out here and there hence their creative usage of stylization.

>>285071324
No
>ebook store
litrpg slopsekai. It's been over 10 years and nobody have been able to replicate SAO's success, and nobody ever will.

>>285084343
You are a complete and utter idiot with no idea what you're talking about, how AI works, how it's powered, how inference works, nothing. You're a worthless, pea-brained dumbshit, completely hopeless and uninformed.

>>285084137
Cowboy Bebop is an expensive anime original with full vision, why would there be many projects like it?
Anime sphere isn't exactly high art sphere, opera or some such.
It's pop culture plus, with all implied market money, the people are different, so are the standards. So are the times.

>>285084367
Lmao.

>>285084375
>why would there be many projects like it?
Why shouldn't there be?
>Anime sphere isn't exactly high art sphere, opera or some such.
I do not care for the term "high art".
I just want good stories in my anime/manga.
>It's pop culture plus, with all implied market money, the people are different, so are the standards. So are the times.
And with the advent of generative technologies, it may well be possible for less artistically trained people to tell high quality stories in visual mediums.
Some people will always carry a prejudice. I simply choose to keep an open mind.

>>285084299
>"Would it be totally objectionable to draw the characters, but generate the backgrounds? Or at least generate detail on top of a simplified drawn background?"
Ideally you want actual hands on the entire thing for the best quality. I realize this isn't realistic to demand and AI will (if it's not already) be used massively for what is considered the laborious parts of drawing manga. I've heard other anons bring up that that this could fuck over assistants since they use their time drawing backgrounds and shit to actually improve as artists for when they themselves get to make a series.
As for what a random dude with a killer gpu does in his free time, if he has a cool idea for a story and chooses to make a manga that way then good on him. Better that than another mushbrain clogging rule34 or scamming retarded old people. It probably will just look like shit, without a good excuse for it looking like shit. I'd rather watch somebody actually try to make something themselves if they have an idea than give in to whats most convenient, and I don't want it at all in productions that are supposed to be high quality.

I remember when we used to make fun of beginner artists for not being able to draw hands

>>285084299
Also, I think you highly overestimate the amount of people able to "tell a good story". There might be one in several million able to make something with actual vision, but I think at that point AI art will only drag him down and sour the entire work. I understand your opinion is that you don't care how much dogshit there is, as long as there's a chance that even one good work that could rival the greats get produced. I can understand that opinion, but I don't agree, I think the negative effects AI will have on media far outweigh whatever "freshness" it could contribute.

>>285084420
>"I don't care about art"
>"I just want good art"

>>285083719
>the usual exaggerated proportions
Fucking disgusting.

>>285084420
>Why shouldn't there be?
nta but, he told you, is expensive and takes a team with a vision.

Posting AI should net you a permaban on /a/.

>>285072296
It's basically at the top due to views. People are viewing it to shit on it.

>>285084682
The mods would never do that to their beloved sponsors

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>>285084682
>Posting AI should net you a permaban on /a/.

>>285084700
Very fitting, that looks like absolute shit and you definitely deserve a ban for spamming AIslop in random threads.

>>285084698
More like the mods don't adhere to the demands of mentally unstable schizos.
Not everyone is a psychotic loser who goes berserk at the mere sight of generative content.

>>285084700
Wanschizo, does it ever occur to you that you could disappear forever and everyone would be mildly happier?

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>>285084714
>at the mere sight of generative content.
It goes against the fundamentals of this board.

At this point they should just make a fucking /ai/ board for containment like they did for the ponies.

>>285084714
>>285084726
Why are you doing this? Do you have that much free time?

>>285084738
Sorry but psychotic schizoid losers like you do not dictate the "fundamentals of the board".
You don't matter.

>>285084753
>>285084718
You don't seem to possess the self-awareness to realize just how similar you are to ack :3

>>285084738
My advice is to stop replying to wanschizo. Eventually he'll get bored and start posting his videos unprompted.

>>285084700
It's hilarious how sloppers can't think of anything more creative to animate a girl doing than awkwardly twisting like she has a turd in her butt. I've seen dozens of these videos on /v/. If my intuition is correct, this is Grok slop.

>>285084700
This is so fucking uncanny, why are AItards immune to the uncanny valley?

>>285084788
This guy is a special case. Even other sloppers make fun of him and offer to help him out to make his shit look less uncanny.

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>>285084797
>>285084788
>>285084782

>>285083834
>>285084188
>>285084217
because humans are flawlessly consistent from panel to panel all the time?

>>285084420
The problem is that AI tools are still better in the hands of actually skilled people, and generally speaking, generative tools are not as optimal in realizing vision. Painting things by hand is still faster and better than trying to wrench a system into making it do what you want.
>less artistically trained
Have you considered that the reason why those people are less trained is because they don't actually want to? Their heart isn't in it. Maybe they shouldn't, maybe they aren't meant to, maybe th ey lack any fantasies, etc.
That's perhaps not an issue for you, seeing as you are concerned only with results, but for some artists (not the unskilled ones irrationally threatened by AI, naturally) it is an issue. Using AI as it is now doesn't feel right. It has its place, but total automation isn't the point. Never was.
I can talk to you, or to a chatbot. I may even get similar answers. But there's a huge problem there, do you see it? There's also pride.
Do bear in mind that workload shifting via more advanced tools and via generative foreign dataset based replication are not the same thing.
>in my anime/manga
It is not YOUR story, careful with self a serving hedonism. I rather doubt you're an aficionado that has watched all the titles there are to pass such assured judgment on quality to warrant your point in earlier posts. I see it, but it's misplaced, seeing as you're you, and artists are artists.
>shouldn't there be?
My point was that Bebops don't grow on trees. Rareness of a thing is as much of a feature as it is a consequence of skill availability both on total scale and in terms of industry access.
But to answer your question directly, why should they? Should all stories be put to ink and animation, just because? Do you think all people most assuredly want to do that too?
Whomever wanted to be an artist becomes one regardless, incompetents included.
AI now only bolsters a small amount of creatives, the rest is just playing with new, or just gets off.

>>285084797
I thought he was the usual schizo trying to bait Ack.

>>285081723
>Top panel
souless
>Bottom panel
SOVL

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Biribiri checking out her new swimsuit.

AIfags don't understand that the fact people can get fooled by AI proves nothing.
Years ago I would get fooled by shopped pics of celebrities naked. I would instantly lose my boner the moment I realized it was fake.
AIsloppers are the ones who spent years going on /b/, /r/ and /s/ making threads
>PLS NUDEFILTER FOR THIS PIC
and thinking it's the hottest shit ever. If that's you sure whatever, more power to you. But the fact that something is THIS fake just puts me off from it.
AI porn, either "real" or "drawings" are just...boring. Soulless.
>b-b-b-b-but look at this slop I just genned! It looks just like the real deal!
And? The fact that I know it's genned makes it lose all its luster.
I would rather have a blurry 320p naked leaked picture of my highschool sweetheart than 100x perfectly made slopped Sydney Sweeney porn videos in 4k.
Same goes for hentai, or in this case, just anime and manga in general.
If you can't understand the difference, then you'll never understand why people call slop soulless.

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>>285076730
Based.
The fact that we have people celebrating the death of human expression just fucks me up

>>285084864
>porn porn porn hentai porn

>>285084923
It's the easiest way to get it through their 70 IQ heads as you can see going by this thread(and most slop threads on 4chan) that's all they really used AI gen for.
>>285084902
Case in point

>>285084945
>that's all they really used AI gen for.
most internet is porn, it's not exclusive to AI

>>285084815
Your usual schizo doesn't have his threads protected by certain people

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>>285084945

Does he think I get mad when he posts these shitty slops?

>>285071324
Nope. Done well or not.

>>285084999
Oh, you're definitely mad :)
Your pitiful denials aren't going to convince anyone otherwise. You are one buttangry schizo dumbfuck :3

>>285084999
you're all constantly seething and complaining about it, so probably yeah.

>>285084999
doesn't matter what you feel as long as you acknowledge his existence

>>285085037
Hence why you should stop replying to him.

>>285076730
AI is just the tool, it isn't something which just creates itself out of thin air, a human was behind it with "intent", the same intent that can be behind any other means of expression. A camera has no intent, the photographer does. A instrument has no intent, the musician does. AI has no intent, the author of the manga did.
I do find it funny how the argument is shifting from "I don't like AI because it looks bad" to "I don't care if AI looks good, I still don't like it because... uh... SOVL!!!", you can't even create a coherent argument anymore.

>>285084999
I'm just laughing my ass off at how shit it looks

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>>285085069
claiming you're laughing on the internet is a very common coping mechanism for pretending you're not mad

>>285085058
Nta. For AI to look good in my opinion there would have to be not a single trace or artifact to show it's generated by AI. If it ever gets to that point (it wont, they expect us to live with all the impurities) I still want know whether it's made or assisted by AI, I want to know the process of the artist or "artist", and I want to know because I actually care about art beyond the final product. Even the most dogshit of series would be interesting to me if I could get some insight into how it was made and what the creator intended with certain parts of it. You lose so much of that when you're willing to give up your own involvement in the creative process. Some genres are inherently slop by nature though, and not everyone wants to create or consume something thats actually meant to be good.

>>285085078
hnnnggg

>>285073555
this webm makes me laugh every time

>>285085058
Incomparable tools. AI is in its own category. These people are concerned by what can be summed up as cybernetization of imagination spreading into all areas, I suppose, but can't put it into words properly. It is a merited fear but for reasons far worse than what those people have considered.

>>285085280
Blackpill me

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>>285077902
>Readers immediately realized it was AI. That's why it pissed off the Japanese
the japanese have AI all over their shops and boards anon, they dont care about it as much as you think they do

>>285085337
Golden billion society taken to extreme. If art happens to come by some providence, and the providence is unwilling to make it, it is to be subordinated to make it by force through increasingly more complex means.
End goal is total subjugation of all reality, deliberate or unintended, just like in Half-Life.
Just a hypothesis, mind you.

>>285085337
NTA but the full intent of AI is to become a genocidal tool for the Rich and Elite to cull the rest of us. They don't aim to create a utopia with this thing they aim to get rid of the people they deem unwanted

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>>285085428
Neat.

>>285083877
>If more good stories are published as a result of AI being viable to making manga, then that is a good thing.
Have you ever heard of these things called books?

>>285085861
>only written literature should be used for good stories! there is no place for good stories in a manga!
Idiot.

>>285085959
There are plenty good mangos.

>>285085354
They're the same as anywhere else. Most people just don't care enough to look at the patterns on signage or the cheap shit they buy.

>>285085354
>vtumor
Kill yourself. Go back.

>>285085058
None of the examples of tools you listed other than AI makes decisions independant of the operator.

>>285085354
But when Shueisha gave an award to an AI generated manga, they were furious.

>Ai main use its to make ntr blacked porn
>so many anons defend it with their lives
Really makes you think

>>285086452
Why does India love NTR and black people so much?

>>285086645
They like beauty.

We have the weekly Kengan Omega threads for that

>>285081229
AI in its present form could never exist without infinite capital injection. there is basically no price discovery with modern AI. the banks created credit ie. fiat out of thin air to suck out all your purchasing power with regards to tech hardware and forcefully reallocated it all to drop AI prices to an all time low. it is impossible to evaluate the cost-benefit of AI under a condition where AI has zero nonexternal costs.

>>285071905
AI is much better at logistics and automation, which implies the other two fields. in fact this is how china largely uses the technology, unlike the west where its only job is to trick the 70 iq brain into releasing cum. it's also why they're much more optimistic about AI than the west now is.

>>285071934
the anti-piracy culture is not a deliberate philosophy, it's a line of thought they lucked into which subsequently fostered a vibrant creator ecosystem. AI hysteria will bring an end to that, which I personally would not mind

>>285072475
hilarious that AI itself is a money laundering scheme by rich people

what

>>285084125
Here's another $100 billion data center with so much compute power that it uses more energy than entire countries so you can generate more slop videos of Will Smith eating spaghetti with slightly more detailed texture. I'm sure if we keep investing, it'll solve all the world's problems and usher in a new golden age for humanity like Mr. Altman promised.

>>285071403
>>285071471
It's because, you dumb niggers, it's not art. And it lowers standards for art. The more involved an artist is in the process the more depth the work gains, and the more involved the reader has the opportunity to become, and that's not even taking into account the quality of the work. If a computer is shitting it out without intentionality then it's meaningless. Subhumans don't understand this because they don't get involved with art at all, everything to them is just masturbatory consumption without any thought.

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I don't have ecchi animations to post i only saved big ol' porn and i don't feel smart now. Goodbye. sage

This shit is probably not true. Don't even need to look into it. Every time some hype article comes out, it's some fake statistics or horrible metrics that they use. In this case, it was probably free or something, and people clicked on it a bunch because it was controversial, and the rating system doesn't account for if it's good or not. This is all drummed up hype created by ai funded faggots.