Just got through reading this, can someone explain HOW people are so mind broken by it? "That scene" is like a quarter of a page long and not graphic at all. It was a very good story, but it was way oversold in terms of controversy.Aisha's reasoning for sleeping with Ars makes a ton of sense given her character and I actually loved the family conference scene with her exposing the hypocrisy of the entire family (fuck Lilia). Ars is also incredibly based.
I can't speak for everyone and I didn't read LN version so maybe shit is very different now.But after finishing the story, what I wanted from after stories was maybe a volume or two of slice of life after you practically cut from final boss fight to Rudeus' death for a bit of pay-off.Instead you get to catch an aunt predator, red sword idiot slicing up her kid, Rudy acting a complete hypocrite. Several lines drawn under Rudeus being a shit dad interested only in his salaryman larping. It all just feels mean-spirited and shitty. Pretty much soured the whole thing for me because you look back through MT and there's plenty that's equally as nasty. Also fairly obvious interpretation is to see it in terms of fucking Ars because Rudeus didn't give her the dick (even if this is explicitly denied, I can't remember) which is extra shitty (and an unfortunately common Narou trope of failed heroines going after sons)
>>285131336There's nothing controversial about MT in general. You'll quickly notice its all artificial. Being a well written series tends to attract all types of detractors. And not just foreigners, there are a lot of japs also salty about its success for various reasons.
>>285131683I didn't read the WN, but I heard the LN fixed some stuff so maybe more context was added because I didn't see any of the issues you brought up.>Rudy acting a complete hypocrite. Several lines drawn under Rudeus being a shit dad interested only in his salaryman larpingThe LN heavily revolves around Rudy's PoV for the family conference and it is made clear he is trying to act in the best interest of Ars and his family. But he has an internal conflict with being unable to justify why Aisha is in the wrong, also he acknowledges he can't criticize Ars because he basically went through the same thing with Eris at his age. So I didn't see him as a hypocrite or uncaring, maybe just very inexperienced which makes sense.>Also fairly obvious interpretation is to see it in terms of fucking Ars because Rudeus didn't give her the dick (even if this is explicitly denied, I can't remember) which is extra shittyThe LN flat out rejects this theory with Aisha explicitly stating she never felt any romantic feelings for Rudy and if she slept with him it would have been out of obligation and coercion from her mother. Sylphy also tests Aisha's love by demanding she sleeps with her son too and Aisha clearly doesn't want to unless she is being forced to. Maybe it's because this theory existed from the WN, but the LN hammers you over the head with the idea that Aisha is ONLY interested in Ars and no one else, to the point where it's a little too heavy handed if anything.
>>285131846>You'll quickly notice its all artificial.This.
>>285131846This, I've long since noticed that nearly every "controversy" around Mushoku is just click bait made by journos, content creators and engagement farming bots.
>>285131846>well writtenlol
Eris punching the shit outta her son is still a top 5 moment for me in the entire series. Bitch was literally gonna kill him lol. I can never hate her
>>285131336Well written as it is >Sad pedophile becomes happy pedophile Is a hard premise for normal people to swallow.
>>285132083Does she not cut him up later then?
>>285131846>well-written
Realistically what are we looking forward to this Saturday? Any chance of a proper anime trailer or should I not get my hopes up?
>>285131983>>285132201Post series you think is well-written or you're a gay cocklover
>>285132154She cuts off his hand in a duel to test his resolve.
>>285132273NothingYou will have a key visual and that it
>>285132273I'd be shocked if we get a trailer. My guess is they will announce a release date, which will probably be during the summer or fall season
>>285131848>Sylphy also tests Aisha's love by demanding she sleeps with her son tooOnly because it's shirty Mushoku I can belive this is real.
>>285131336>people are so mind broken by it?Source?
>>285132734In WN version, they hunt them Ars/Aisha down then cut Ars up as they force their way into their hideout
>>285134931There's context missing. Aisha tries to excuse what she did by saying it's ok to sleep with Eris' son since she has to teach him how to have sex before he gets married. Sylphy immediately realizes that's bullshit and says "Oh if you're sleeping with Eris' kid just for your job, how about sleeping with mine". She never intended it, she just said it to catch Aisha in a lie
>>285135035Not gonna lie, every time I hear about a change that was made from the WN to the LN it just makes the WN seem like deranged fucking fanfiction. I'm glad the LN toned some stuff down because that sounds like some shit an edgy teenager would write while blasting Lincoln Park
Wincestbros, we won?
>>285135135It's not always the case that LN makes shit less edgy but definitely seems that way for MT. Probably for the better. Audience feedback from WN and LN editor does definitely help some authors from poisoning their own wellThere are some WNs I like better though
>>285134958the author had to delete the original side story because they got shat on for it so hard
>>285135154Ars went from "I really like you, Auntie" to having a sweaty Aisha throttling his dick in 5 minutes flat. Wincestbros won hard
>>285135135Wait till you hear about some of the other scrapped ideas but these didn't make it into the WN either.One of them was having Zanoba as a female yandere creep who loved dolls instead of the bro he is. Second one I remember is having Eris pregnant from their first sex scene and a kid suddenly showing up to Rudeus's home in Ranoa and claiming him to be the dad.The
>>285136046>TheAh I don't remember the others very well sadly but there should've been a few more.Anyhow its a good thing those were scrapped tbqh Rifu thinks of the weirdest scenarios.
>>285131336Twitter drama is not real people anon.
>>285135064There always missing context with Mushoku. Don't change the fact that Mushoku is what it is.From the anime even no LN readers can can see hints of an interesting world, but doesn't matter. All the author cares about is writing about the degeneracy of this family. Fucking filth writing, and to make it worse the degenerate still seems to have a sliver of shame as he changes the story from WN readers feedback. As coward as his main character.
Whatever drama-kvetching there could be about this event has been done years ago. So now pretending to be shocked or outraged about Arus x Aisha is simply reheating old things nobody cares about anymore.
>>285131336I’m not going to read this but is the tldr that Rudy’s son straight fucks his aunt?
And of course, funnily enough, whenever r/mushokutensei is having a specific topic, OP then makes the same topic on /a/ as well. This unfortunately shows that there's no ounce of originality left on /a/, and both sides share too many users.
>>285132083This art style is so incredibly ugly
>>285137880Yes, he confesses to her and she immediately brings him to her room to ride his cock as his birthday gift. See >>285135488
>>285138060Honesty very based and redpilled hope they are happy together
>>285137880tldr she fucks him, family freaks out, Eris (his mom) chops his hand off, the two run away and get married
>>285135488Why does his internal monologue sound like a Redditor? >erm uhoh! …yeah, heckin awkward!!
>>285138118>Eris (his mom) chops his hand offI’m still trying to understand why people like this character and I don’t understand it. Sylphie and Roxie sure. Eris has kind of always been low key evil. In any case, shouldn’t she have been angrier at Aisha? It’s not like her son raped her or something.
>Norn ends up banging and marrying Rudy's adoptive father>Aisha cradle robs Rudy's son and fucks him so good he abandons his familyThe fact that both of Rudy's sisters ended up becoming home wrecking sluts that stole the most important men in his life is pretty hot
>>285138151He was a 2ch-fag and had flame wars and shit there, so yes, he does think like that.
>>285138187Is there any reason why you're pretending to still misunderstand this whole scene?We're here on /a/, so you don't have to fear any bad karma negatively affecting your account.
>>285138151It was fan translated by a redditor. We get the official release next month so it should be slightly less gay and cringy.
>>285138235>Is there any reason why you're pretending to still misunderstand this whole sceneShe can’t fuck you anon she isn’t real
>>285138253That is the official release.
The idea that the main character would even care about or be offended by incest is a little dubious given that in his past life he was cranking it to his own niece Everybody in this show is such a complete libertine degenerate that a lot of the offense just seems like retarded, fluff, and performance
>>285138187>Why do people like this extremely hot and violent chick who fucks like a lion?Gee anon, I wonder why. Hot crazy girls that trigger the "I can fix her" instinct are always popular.>shouldn’t she have been angrier at Aisha? It’s not like her son raped her or something.She isn't angry that Aisha fucked her son, she sees that as based actually, she's angry that her son won't man up and take responsibility for it and is shoving all the blame onto Aisha. Her whole thing is "Be a man, get her pregnant, take responsibility, I didn't raise a pussy who hides behind a woman"
>>285138361OK, but why did she cripple him by cutting off his hand retard?
>>285138341>The idea that the main character would even care about or be offended by incest is a little dubious given that in his past life he was cranking it to his own nieceBack then, his own niece (he fapped to both of them) was merely the daughter of his brother he didn't care about. He didn't care about anybody at all. And then, when he got caught, his big brother beat the crap out of him, and this lead to him dying to the truck because he couldn't scream at the teeangers to get off the street. Which is a big trauma he keeps carrying with him. Now, like 34 years later in another world with three wives and 2 moms and six children and a big house and several pets and a good job and caring about things, it affects him directly.
>>285138341>The idea that the main character would even care about or be offended by incest is a little dubious given that in his past life he was cranking it to his own nieceBy his own admission he can't find a reason why it's wrong and admits he did the same shit. >Everybody in this show is such a complete libertine degenerate that a lot of the offense just seems like retarded, fluff, and performanceThat's the point, there's an entire scene of Aisha calling them all fucking degenerate hypocrites. She even tells off Lilia and says "You wanted me to fuck Rudy, my brother, why is it suddenly a taboo to fuck my nephew"
>>285138409To test his resolve, if he wants REALLY wants to be with Aisha then he wouldn't falter even after losing a hand....is her thinking. In case you missed it Eris is fucking retarded and ultra violent
Pfff, losing your hands is just part of sparring. He cuts off her hands a few years later in a duel, and she's proud of him for being a real manly man now. Only pussies screech about losing your hands in a world where you have access to healing magic.
>>285138537>you need to man up and be willing to protect your family and provide for them>I will make this harder by giving you a disability. Gee hope you’re ambidextrous kiddo Violent rapists make bad moms yes
>>285138656did you unironically forget about the existence of healing magic?
>>285135349He didn't. From what I remember he deleted it because of terms of service bullshittery and he himself said he wasn't that satisfied with what he wrote. Even if you go schizo mode and say that he used those two reasons as an excuse because people were shitting on him, it would make zero sense for him to just keep the story anyway going to the LN because he'd face even more backlash, but he kept it all anyway.
>>285138415>Now, like 34 years later in another world with three wives and 2 moms and six children and a big house and several pets and a good job and caring about things, it affects him directly.Its still so fucking funny to me that this is where all of the character development, all the drama, all the actually well written parts of MT ends up: Rudy as a salaryman playing out extremely shitty and outlandish domestic drama. I genuinely don't get how any MT fan can enjoy Redundancy. Rifujin needs an editor that explains to him that he's just not very good at writing family and domestic drama, keep from embarrassing himself.
>>285139008Except he literally has said he removed it in part due to the response and planned to keep it in but rewrite it
>>285138692Can Sylphie or anyone else in the family actually regrow limbs? Can't remember if she's a Saint class healer at that point (since she was pretty much ignored entirely as a character for the second half of the novels).
I hate video game fantasy
>>285131846>there are a lot of japs also salty about its success for various reasonsNever knew or heard this. Anyone caring enough to elaborate about it in length? I always found it weird, that since MT the only quality Isekai we got was Youjo Senki, so I though there might be so sourness lingering in the air, especially since the anime MT got was also pretty shitty other than slightly above average animation quality & these thing always have something to do with the attitude of the people in the industry.
>>285139207You can reattach severed limbs even with mere intermediate magic, and it's not like Eris took Arus's severed hand and burned it to cinder or anything like that. But even if the limbs had been destroyed, they have access to king-tier healing scrolls thanks to the president of the company.
>>285139193People criticized it because they disliked the way Aisha acted, but it still points more to the second reason I stated instead of "the fans are mad so I'll remove it". Once again, if the issue was simply fan backlash, then he has absolutely zero reason to keep the arc as is, because it would just invite the same backlash in the first place. The fact that he kept it but rewrote some aspects around it just points to the fact that he gives zero fucks about the backlash itself and just thinks he fucked up the writing for it. Still, it's not like this author is some sort of hardheaded perfect writer since I still remember he'd often take criticism/advice and go back to edit some of the chapters when he responded to feedback after a chapter released.
>>285139136>he regretted his past life and achieved what he missed out on back then in his next oneMaybe it's not particularly grand or flashy, but he stayed true to his character and his motivation. Also, what's funny about wanting to start a family and experience family life? There's nothing deplorable about it even if it's a bit mundane.
>>285139564Did you reply to the wrong post?
>>285139136How is it bad? Quite literally every single development makes sense logically and the writing is still good. The retarded part would be if MT ended with Rudeus as the god of the world and everyone fucking hecking loved him and all his children thought he was the coolest ever and everything ended happily ever after
>>285139564There's nothing inherently wrong with it I suppose but just for once I would like one of these anime to have a main character who actually likes being the main character and not secretly Desiring to work in an office for the rest of his life
>>285139677Hikki-NEETs want the joy of having a family and a steady job. Sararimen want to escape their jobs and only work part-time with nobody to answer to except to themselves. In both cases, this wish can only be fulfilled in another world.
>>285139677The salaryman thing is a joke, nigga. Rudeus' work is about travelling around making connections with powerful people and building up an army, not working at an office writing reports. This is, ironically, Orsted's job
>>285132273For a group of people who hate Islam, you guys are pretty open to the idea of multiple wives
>>285139669That's ridiculous. We're talking about an after story, after an ending that's explicitly not that. There is huge amount of middle ground between an after story being a non-sensical rewrite of the ending and being some shitty family melodrama you are glossing over
>>285138151he was literally a fat shut in neet before he was isekai'd so it actually makes sense lmfao
>>285139677Eminence in the Shadows.I fucking hate its anime though.
>>285139733Yeah like I said I'm not really trying to shame anybody's fantasy but there has been a weird uptake the last several years isekai protagonists just wanting to do mundane things like run a fantasy gas station or run a fantasy pharmacy or be a fantasy chef etc. Same with stuff like Shield hero where it's basically just the protagonist being badly treated and betrayed for plot reasonsI guess that works for some people but I actually think many real life young men searching for purpose would welcome the fact that they are now the chosen one destined to destroy the Demon Lord and save the world or whatever even if they don't really understand what they are getting into. I guess I'm just getting a little tired of subversions at this point.
>>285139883Can sandniggers fuck off back to the desert? Nobody cares about your meme religion.
>>285139752>get to miss out on spending time with your kids and wives to the point some of them forget your name and face>can't dedicate all your time to personal projects>can't decide for yourself what you want to do, everything is dictated by a time traveling dragon god so you don't need to even thinkYeah, great life, truly a happy ending.
>>285139949Dude, you are about to become a pretzel with your level of gymnastics.
>>285139908Well, like the vast majority of those stories are written by and for late gen x and early millennials.Late millennials and early zoomers are only now perhaps writing their desires in fantasy stories, but like always, it will be mocked and shat upon because it's something from a different generation.
>>285140008>great writers explore ideas or create whole new concepts that manifested IRL or a new school of thought>japanese novelists write about being horny and fermenting onions sauce:DDDI'm just joking, of course.
>>285139984NTA and it's been a whileBut the first one was definitely true and don't think other 2 are completely made up. Even just 1 being true fucking sucks for what's practically a redemption story
"How I found myself in a monogamous healthy relationship as the heroic champion of a new world with no Beastpeople slavery for once", a fresh new anime coming this fall
>>285140138It's not a redemption story, never wanted to be a redemption story, doesn't try to be a redemption story. Wanting to live life seriously this time does not equal redemption.
>>285140138>not true>not true>not trueNone of them are true. All his kids know how he fucking looks or what's his name. What the fuck are you even talking about?
I always thought Rudeus having some distance with his kids is pretty realistic. I mean, honestly, I know real father that are 70 year old and being a successful parent that made their 7 kids graduate school, but like, all those 7 have their own lives in a different country and their only actual family bonding is during Christmas or New Year season. It's just how reality work. Kids aren't really as tied to their parents is one of my big realizations when I was approching 20.
>>285140230>regrets wasting his previous life>doesn't waste his next life>erm, that's not a redemption
>>285140319He's not atoning to anybody in his previous life, christcucks.
>>285140240Okay, I exaggerate the first slightly, but there is at least one instance where I think his kid with Sylphie doesn't recognize him after a while because he was gone so long doing Orstedcorp things. As for the rest, how am I wrong? Rudy is essentially held hostage by Orsted, even though its not framed that way. He already has riches and connections from his adventures, enough that he and his entire family would never need to work again. A good, mundane ending would be him retiring to make figurines, fuck his wives, play with his kids and maybe occasionally teaching at the Ranoa university. The ending we get really is a bad ending, and its even worse for trying to frame it as a happy ending.
>>285140230It is though. Claiming MT is about having a family and living properly with a second chance but that making full use of a second chance isn't redemption is facile.>>285140240There are absolutely moments that highlight the absence of the MC as a parent and husband from the second any wives and kids are about, right through to after stories. Not a gigantic focus but definitely present
>>285140368He feels guilty about his previous life. He's his own judge. Nobody came to him and waged his finger about his past. It's personal and important only to him.
>>285140397>The ending we get really is a bad ending, and its even worse for trying to frame it as a happy ending.Why? Because he dies happily in his bed surrounded by all his grandchildren and is mourned by thousands of people all around the world and considered a legendary mage who rediscovered the secrets of silent spellcasting and all that other stuff? With the dragon god having upmost confidence that he will succeed thanks to the legacy of his friend, the great mage Rudeus Greyrat? Or are you just salty that the Man-God hasn't been killed or sealed off yet?
>>285140267Actually I will concede to this, it does have a ring of realism to it, especially when it comes to families of people who attained material success. They expect the same of their children, and often end up alienating them entirely. It'd be interesting to see this angle actually played up, but I doubt Rifujin is even aware of it. This is simply his inner Japanese salaryman family fantasy. Everything just magically works out despite him not spending much time with his children. They like his wives and many other characters in the world just worship him. Normally that's a trope I accept implicitly in isekai, but MT sets a higher standard early on so you kind of expect something more in the end.
>>285140489This. I dislike the last two arcs and MT has its faults, but the way it ended was top notch. What a great journey.
>>285140489>He died happily>now here's some incest drama where your wife dismembers your son after he sticks his member in his aunt
>>285140509After the incident, he did spend a lot more time with his children. And ironically, the fact that he tried to be a good parent by modern Earth standards for not forcing his children into following any path and giving them the freedom to choose for themselves is what made his eldest daughter and his two sons mistakenly believe that he's not expecting anything of them out of disappointment. Clash of values.
Reminder that everyone would have been happier and better off if Rudy just fucked his incest-crazed little sister at any point when she was 12-16. She would have felt legitimized and satisfied, that fucked up conditioned part of her brain Lilia installed. Whether she wanted to become a full wife or move on to become her own person she'd be in a better headspace.That's the lesson I take away from all of this.
>>285139949>>get to miss out on spending time with your kids and wives to the point some of them forget your name and faceHe came home regularly and still hung out with them, you make it seem as if he was gone for months straight and never engage with his kids ever. The main issue is that Rudeus wasn't a good father himself, he left all the parenting to his wives. He was very lax with his kids and didn't try to reprimand them or anything. Like Ars says, Rudeus acted like he was a grandfather, not a father. Also, his mission literally involves directly helping his children so they don't fucking die because of shitogami >>can't dedicate all your time to personal projectsHe literally does that. He successfuly releases his Superd book + figurines together with Norn. His figurine making business pops off. He still researches the magical androids. We literally have a chapter about a future historian talking about how Rudeus' life is completely unrealistic because he was personally involved in the creation of several important things, things he personally enjoyed. Rudeus quite literally says he enjoyed his life. >>can't decide for yourself what you want to do, everything is dictated by a time traveling dragon god so you don't need to even thinkOrsted only gives general directives using his knowledge, Rudeus is in charge of what he does. The mercenary company was his idea. Orsted even says Rudeus usually goes above and beyond during his missions.
>>285140509Women are supposed to raise the kids. Dads being faggots and pushing the stroller is a recent thing.
>>285140655Even though that's the obvious takeaway that's wrong because the author said so okay?
>>285140489>Or are you just salty that the Man-God hasn't been killed or sealed off yet?Not at all, its rather that I would have liked a more mundane ending, one that even if it left things in the main story ambiguous still conclusively closed the book on it. The real problem is everything surrounding Orsted is honestly gay and convoluted as fucking hell (as always when time travel is involved). Redundancy is only ostensibly slice of life after-ending, its more like the setup for a story or future franchise who the fuck cares about? Oh, wow, there's an annoying chosen migger Mary Sue and a child of Eris that somehow doesn't grow up hating his psychotic mother, fucking riveting.
>>285131336Aisha's parts are good. It sucked because Ars is a little shit who raised a sword against his mother. Eris should have beaten him harder.>>285132083 has good taste.
>dad doesn't love us because he's not forcing us to marry fat old ugly nobles t. Lucie Greyrat
>>285140665>Like Ars says, Rudeus acted like he was a grandfather, not a father.He really isn't. The household patriarch is Eris, the matriarch is Sylphie.
>>285139897The ending is Rudeus dying. Redundancy is about important happenings in between his death and the last battle in the LN. What did you expect the story that regularly focus on the characters, their developments and their dynamics to focus on when you started reading Redundancy? Powerscaling autism?You've also not pointed out a single bad or unrealistic thing about the "melodrama", so your posts just come off as shitflinging and starting shit for the sake of it
>>285140743What an ungrateful (grey)RAT!
>>285140724>the obviousIs that he would never bone a relative due to the niece incident. It wasn't just implied, but directly spelled out. Like, c'mon.
>>285140948So Rudeus got over every other trauma from his previous life and Aisha was obviously a very different case (she's literally the most stereotypical incest imouto setup and she isn't even full blooded), but we won't touch that because I said so
>>285135488>scene Illustrated by ReguraPlease make it happening
>>285140509I think it should be obvious by now that every criticism this series receives comes from people who have not read it, but>It'd be interesting to see this angle actually played upThis quite literally happens >Everything just magically works out despite him not spending much time with his children.This quite literally does not happenHis children feel alienated by the way Rudeus acts and his reputation which is why they end up thinking he doesn't care about them. They don't measure up to his talent and achievements, and Rudeus doesn't want to force them into any role and he is very distant, so they start thinking he doesn't expect anything from them because they're worthless. All of his kids grow up thinking this and this notion only gets slightly fixed by the time Rudeus is in his 40s once he has a heart to heart talk with Sieg. Even in volume 3 of redundancy we know that a 70 year old Ars still doesn't think of Rudeus as a father and he only started understanding Rudeus once he became a father (and grandfather) himself.
>>285140996Do an online IQ test and show the fucking score.He>regrets jerking off to his nieceTherefore >wont fuck his half-sister
>>285139905Behead those who insult director-sama.
>>285141077That's completely separate to how Aisha feels and what happens because of those feelings >>285140655
>>285140509>It'd be interesting to see this angle actually played up, but I doubt Rifujin is even aware of it.I mean, I think he kinda is aware of it. Rudeus always tells his kids to "do whatever they want" so they can become their own person, and this even sprouts drama with Lucy misunderstanding this and Rudy having a father-son moment with Sieg, etc. Rifujin's writing is just pretty realistic especially in isekai standards (and for a series that people keep branding as power fantasy) and that might be exactly what he's going for on some degree so I do think he knows what's he's doing
>>285141068>I think it should be obvious by now that every criticism this series receives comes from people who have not read itYou people are deluded
>>285141068Those shitposters all got their knowledge about the series from x-twitter videos shortening the text-to-speech recap videos on youtube who are summarizing fanwikis.
>>285141260It's proven again and again. The criticisms most of the time follow these patterns: >limited to S1 related internet drama (muh pedo)>limited to S2 related internet drama (muh ED arc, muh 16 year old marriage)>vague criticism>criticizing something that never happens in the story, and the poster just assumes it happens from limited context or their shitty hearsay/spoiler knowledge>criticizing the story for not doing something it literally does, they just assume that the story doesn't do it because they consumed it through discourse and hearsay/spoilersDid I miss anything?
>>285141457I hate anime because it's shit adaptation, makes these little detrimental changes that are completely unnecessary and because direction sucks.Maybe some of the staff member were on board MT train, but it feels like director picked it up only because it's popular and doesn't really get it.
Season 3 will be the piss-season.>Nina after getting beaten up>Ariel after seeing Orsted
>>285132734Like permanent? By that point they do have those king tier healing scrolls.
>>285139207I'm pretty sure in that side story, Rudy uses a healing scroll to attach Ars's hand back afterwards.
>>285141457>Did I miss anything?Yes, the part where you're way too charitable. Is MT perfect or impervious to criticism? Are you that fucking braindead that you have "franchise I like = must defend EVERYTHING associated with it" imprinted in your brain?
>>285141645>scrollsGiven how easy it is to replicate scrolls and that there's no organization with a global reach that could limit their spread, it's weird how rare they were in MT universe.
>>285141457You hit the nail on the head.
>>285141727If there's anything I will be forever salty about its how Sylphie never gets to do anything cool past beating the shit out of Linia and Pursena. Fucking crime against humanity how Sylphie is underutilized in the story.
>>285141757Most of the higher tier magic scrolls that Rudy has were given by Orsted.
>>285141757Problem is, most people don't know how to activate them, so they're useless to them, and the real good stuff that anybody could use like high-tier healing magic or attack magic are still rare simply because there's not enough people who know how to do those spells in the first place.
>>285141757No, until Nanahoshi the only people who really understood magic circles were Perugius, a shut-in art otaku, and Orsted, a notorious loner.
>>285141739>Is MT perfect or impervious to criticismWho said that? There's plenty to criticize about MT, but none of the actual faults are actually discussed. You niggers just play the greatest hits each thread & most of them are either built on false premise or just outright lies.
>>285141808She gets to die in the dark timeline, and she gets to kill no-name small fries and pretending to be Ariel in the final timeline...Yeah, she doesn't get to do much anymore, but the problem is that in this story, she's just a weaker version than Rudeus, and the only part where she is better than him (chantless healing magic) is useless, because he can also heal after combat, and most combat in this series is done within seconds, so no need to have in-combat healing.
>>285141839You don't need to understand circles to replicate a magic scroll. Given that magic tools were being actively created, it's not like nobody else other than the ones you mentioned knew anything about the subject either.Leaking a scroll once is all it takes. I get it when it comes complex stuff, like Perugius familiars, but a fireball? Or a clean water anywhere you want? Don't forgot that MT world is thousands of years old. Cultivation novels kind of covers that ground with how elevated sects are above common people on top of being ruthless. MT never really covered that piece of world building puzzle.
>>285142156In MT, after the Laplace War, knowledge has been lost (again). Look at how the mages of the era in which Rudeus lives categorize magic: Attack, Healing, Summoning and Barriers. No thoughts about Utility, and stuff like Teleportation is so taboo that nobody is allowed to even publish anything about it. Heck, the blokes who are selling magic books like the Ranoan Magic University get lots of things wrong, and they still had to beg the Millishians to get some scrap of knowledge regarding barriers and healing magic.
>>285140996I do get the impression Rifujin either changed his mind or lost his nerve about Aisha at some point early on. She was set up in a VERY fetishized way for Rudeus to just handwave it the whole story.
>>285142273>Laplace WarDuring the Laplace War, Technique God was spreading knowledge like Zeus his sperm, who was ejaculating everywhere as if he's a substituting for the spring drizzle. MT did address the Teleportation magic, but even then the given excuse didn't really explain it's absence in Demon continent where demon kings didn't enforce anything outside their cities. I wont bring up the immortal clan, but then there are multiple long-living species...
>>285142533As we saw and will still see, neither side actually destroyed the magic circles. They just hid them (much to the joy of the dragonfolks, like Perugius and Orsted).
>>285141808I'm salty how the more esoteric part of magic never gets explored. What the fuck is hypnosis magic? What does it do? How does it work? What the fuck is the magic Perugius and Orsted use? The dragon gates that suck battle aura or the cool light claw Perugius conjures. Why didn't Rudeus try to learn this? What about other dragon magic? The light beam Orsted uses, the fuck is it? The Draconic Remnant spell Urupen uses?? Why the fuck didn't Rudeus learn gravity magic to abuse it like Alek? Couldn't he use it to fly and greatly reduce travel in between magic circles? Make a black hole?
>>285142815Rudeus hit a plateau in offensive magic development after the final fight because there was no immediate threat, Oldeus knew gravity magic.
>>285139883>For a group of people who hate Islam, you guys are pretty open to the idea of multiple wivesPolygamy predates Islam.
>>285138151Seven Seas is shit.>>285138253>fan translatedThe fan translation is superior, that was official Seven seas retardation and it's not the first time they've done it.
>>285139901but that's not how japanese otaku talk. Rudeus is rude and direct in his internal monologue, which contrasts with his outwardly polite speech.
have yet to see a minute of the anime, was waiting for the return of eris
>>285144051Seems like proper anatomy after looking at it for a while, but it still feels weird. How... weird
>>285144492>weirdIt's the hair. It is spilled over her like a bucket of paint. When it's wet in open air it sticks together more.
Does anyone happen to have that post about Anon marrying his tutor?
>>285144492>>285144646To me it seems like the back. It's like her back is way too "deep", It's specially weird between the shoulders and the neck
>>285142815Future-Rudeus went autistic about beating other stronger guys than him to find a way to get his revenge. He went to ancient dragon folk ruins to research and learn new spells, even his magic armor was better than anything present-Rudeus came up with.
>>285145992Nah, ultimate timeline Rudeus's magic armors are undeniably superior because he has Cliff with him to help improve on the specs of the armors. Plus, the Man-God himself telling them how to make the armor better so that it could stand a chance against Orsted.
>>285145992>>285146282Btw, I vaguely remember something about Oldeus being able to fly using gravity magic, did I just mix things up?
>>285146415Yes, dark future Rudeus could fly, because he did grokk how to do gravity magic. But he had an inferior magic armor, because only Zanoba was working on it.
>>285146523Can you provide the chapter and volume where that is said, I thought that was on volume 15, but looking at it I can only find Oldeus saying he can "make things levitate"
