This is the future of manga.
>>285176648Eww, what's the point
>>285176648Make a cheap good ebook reader. I'll never read manga on a phone or tablet.
>>285176648z folds have awkward vertical hinge orientation.best foldable manga reader seems to be made by microsoft of all things.
lol, normalfags. A tablet or ebook moggs this for-ants shit.
So AMOLED deprecated e-ink ebook readers yet?folds seems like a meme, a tablet is the way to go
>>285176648I have my phone, I'm not ever buying any other devices.
>>285177826Emissive displays are never going to beat reflective displays when it comes to reading comfort. If you're reading outside or in public, having a screen that works better the brighter it is while using next to no battery is irreplaceable.
>>285177826Different use cases. E-Ink displays are far less energy intensive to run than any AMOLED display, with the downside being low refresh rate and "good" consumer color e-ink perpetually being 5-10 years away. No one will ever care about a Kindle or Nook that has a 60hz refresh rate when they only flip pages every few minutes, and an AMOLED ereader will never have the weeks-long battery life even a decade old e-ink reader has.You can always enjoy an AMOLED phone or tablet for manga but it's not the right technology for a dedicated reader.
>>285177387How to flip the pages.
all foldables have a crease and delamination problem, unless you're trading them in every 1-2 years it's worthless
>>285179163Dasung has e-ink monitors with 60Hz.Kaleido 3 is usable for color pages in manga
Folding devices still have the Achilles heel of a plastic screen.
>>285177081They're already mature tech and as cheap as they're going to be get a job if you still can't afford one
>>285179163Is color E-Ink there yet?
>>285179340Yes. 13" color panels became available a year ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T26V5FdTrFo&t=948s
>>285179188same as any other android tablet - corner touch, swipe, volume buttons, tiktok ring
>>285179390>rich colorsColor blind people should not review color displays.
>>285179583Compared to what other displays would produce under those conditions.
>>285179229>Dasung has e-ink monitors with 60Hz.I've always liked Dasung, cool that they've gotten that far now. Looks like it still has ghosting issues, but no one legitimately in the market for an e-ink monitor will find that an issue. Could be comfy for browsing forums/text boards. Still definitely niche, and it's telling that it's just a display and not an e-reader.>Kaleido 3 is usable for color pages in mangaIt's okay but I'd argue it's still a compromise right now. On one hand you get washed out colors, but on the other hand you get amazing convenience being able to store so many volumes on a single device with long battery life. Really cool that Kaleido 3 readers are priced so competitively with black and white readers now, though, and for a good number of people it's a fair tradeoff.
What's the best black-and-white manga reader on the market these days?
>>285179631Why would conditions matter?In a perfectly well-lit room, that "color" e-ink would still display any colored image with washed up colors and shallow blacks.How much time do these people read outside under the fucking sun anyway? 20% of their reading time? 50%??It's like these reviewers were grading papers from a Special Ed. class. I'm tired of listening to these early adopters lie through their teeth.
>>285179775Boox Note Max
>>285176648I can't wait to read manga 99 years from now.
Imagine not reading manga with a tablet in 2026
>>285179191My first gen Z Flip still works, although there are already few holes on it's build in screen protector, the main problem is two batteries, one of which can loose charge if I don't dischare it below 20% before charging.
>>285179792>How much time do these people read outside under the fucking sun anyway?If you live in Norway you get a ton of sunlight in summer so it may as well be 100%. Reading in daylight is the biggest selling point of e-ink.>I'm tired of listening to these early adopters lie through their teeth.If you watch his videos you should realize he generally prefers b&w displays. You also have to see how far we've come since Kaleid 1, which would be the real early adopter material. Kaleido 3 is mature and doesn't have much room for improvements.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFhAzDVjfwE&t=378s
>>285176648I had a Flip... 5 or 6, I forgot, as workphone.I wasn't really impressed. The crease was very fucking noticeable and the screen protector (which it explicitly told you not to remove) already started coming off along the crease after just a year.I'd probably rather grab a larger e-ink reader for it
Why do we have those threads everyday now?
>>285179798>Carta 1300 e-ink>13.3">300ppiNot bad.>$719.98That's a bit rough, though fair I suppose if it's best-in-class.
>>285180250Consider that two years ago you paid $880 for a b&w display with 207ppi in that size.The smaller 6" and 7" e-ink devices have gotten a lot more expensive in recent years, like a lot of other stuff, while the 10" and 13" have dropped in price.
>>285179299Well I'm still not willing to pay that price for what is essentially just a manga reader.
>>285180718How much money do you spend on manga?
>>285180936Zero now. I don't buy anymore, I have over 1000 volumes already.
>>285180962Digital or paper?
>>285180976Paper.
>>285180241Same reason as always. Some autist keeps reposting it
>>285180203Maybe screen protectoron newer models somewhat different. This flip is about 5 years old.
I refuse to purchase electronic waste.
>>285176648Do people really read double page spread? I just use single page.
>>285181827It's how manga is meant to be read.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYUy8nzCcaAWhat's your excuse for not doing it?
>>285181891I guess I didn't watch enough youtube to know better
>>285181891Because I like to see each page
>>285181113Based anon posting from a 20 year old PC.
>>285182404You're not seeing the whole picture by looking at single pages.
>>285182404You can see each page when reading double page though. Unless you're reading on a phone for some reason where two pages side by side will need to be tiny in horizontal mode. And even ignoring double page spreads (which are a large part of manga), even single pages are often made in a way so the two pages that will be visible at the same time fit together or flow in a certain way.
>>285179390The problem is and always has been the refresh rate.
>>285176648Or, you just read it on your phone, and live without full sized two page spreads.
>>285179340>>285179390It will be at least another decade until we have color e-ink at the lever of bw e-ink in terms of sharpness and contrast.
>>285177081just buy a cheap tablet, it's superior to the memereaders under every aspect.t. initially fell for the memereader
>>285183543I extremely light sensitive.Why buy a tablet when I can do the exact same thing on my thinkpad already?
>>285183875That also works, but you can easily use programs that regulate the light automatically on any system including tablets, also depends on portability, if you want to read on while traveling a laptop is quite inconvenient.
>>285183875>on my thinkpad
>>285183961A laptop is more convenient to me than a tablet. Who is going to hold a tablet when I'm in bed?Also one is a pc, the other has android lol.>>285184055Just turn the laptop bro.
I don't feel comfortable reading manga on PC or notebook, I even have windows tablet, but it's too huge and heavy to, and still feels weird, gona buy android tablet for manga.
>>285183501Color e-ink has higher contrast than b&w.The color filter produces richer blacks.
>>285183405How do you read manga that refresh rate is of concern?
>>285176648I prefer reading on a big monitorHolding things on my hand for long periods of time is not comfy
>>285184970He probably means that it takes too long to turn a page.
>>285185201It turns pages in the blink of an eye. You can switch to faster modes if you really need to browse through an issue but I personally find the standard mode sufficient for that.
>>285185028Get a tablet mount or cushion and a remote control.
>>285180976>spending thousands on ebooks/emangajesus christ anon, of COURSE he meant paper lmao. He'd be too stupid to find 4chan if he unironically paypigged for pixels like that kek
>>285185572I spend that much. I don't live in Japan so digital is a lot easier to get and ridiculously cheap when you wait for the right moments. Bought over 500 volumes/magazine issues in the past few weeks alone with an average price of under hundred yen.Additionally I buy new releases to support the creators.
>>285185572You won't get the majority of manga without paying and the quality of the digital volumes is usually better than the free online versions. Pirate versions are always worse for some reason.
>>285185572>he's never read any manga where the physical edition is out of print but it's still available digitally>and nobody has bothered making it available to pirateHappens often to me reading stuff in Japanese.
>>285183875>on my thinkpadWhat reader program do you use?
its all fun and games until the double page spreads are offset and it ruins the experiencethanks amazon
>>285189205There are programs that let you move page by page which you can do if that happens. Or other programs have an offset function. I don't know how these built in ereaders work. Considering they're not made for manga (much less pirated manga where I imagine this is a bigger issue) they may not have functions like that.
>>285176648Nothing beats a laptop for manga, nothing
>>285189034If I don't give a shit about a manga, I don't download it and use Cubari in browser.If I care and download, I use MComix.It's mostly Cubari nowadays.
>>285185385No thanksI prefer reading on my Desktop PC
>>285189479Tell me why to switch from cdisplayex to mcomix
>>285180395>The smaller 6" and 7" e-ink devices have gotten a lot more expensive in recent yearsWhy this? I have a 6 inch boox I bought during covid for 65$ or so on sale. Absolutely worth it
>>285189322>Nothing beats a laptop for manga, nothingReading on desktop with a comfy chair and big monitor >>>Laptop can be good though, if you put it on a table
>>285179191>unless you're trading them in every 1-2 years it's worthlessYou view that as a problem, the people who make this garbage view it as a feature.
>>285189479Weebdex will save usIt's too slow and unstable right now though, still under construction coding-wise and many features don't work yetBut the guy has been putting back all the series Mangadex took down
>>285189794I don't know. I'm sure it's not the latest and greatest but it's good and it served me well over the years and I hate changes.I haven't even been using it much in the last years because madokami started not updating certain manga so I started reading stuff online, Cubari has been great for this. I don't care about archiving the manga I've been reading in the last years, maybe a couple but that's it.
>>285190002Is that better than Cubari?
>>285189886I find that monitors are a little too big, at some point you want to be able to take in the two pages as a whole while reading
>>285176648Yo-ho, yo-ho!
>>285190002>But the guy has been putting back all the series Mangadex took downHow?
>>285181891I don't want to see ahead. Double page can make you drift your eyes to the other page out of order and as a result you get spoiled on a plot development.
>>285194663Do you think the people making the series don't know this happens? Developments that happen within 2 pages and those that happen after a page turn are handled differently. You can do whatever you want but manga is meant to be read with 2 pages visible at the same time. And not reading it like that will cause you to miss things.
>>285179390EIGHT HUNDRED AMERICAN STYLE DOLLARS?!
>>285195615>And not reading it like that will cause you to miss things.How? I'm not skipping any pages.
>>285198442Even if pages aren't spreads they can still be made to be meant to be read together. And if you're reading page by page you may miss these. Or at least not get the full, intended experience. See >>285182768
>>285197043It's cheaper than a comparably sized OLED tablet. LCD tablets with B5 format practically don't even exist.
>>285189276Manga is distributed in fixed layout epub format which dictates whether pages go left or right in spread view and e-readers like Kobo support that. Amazon Kindle has a proprietary wrapped around that.You shouldn't have misaligned spreads unless the publisher fucked up the export.
>>285176648You are an actual retard if you read manga digitally. Poorfags btfo again.
>>285177387What microsoft device is that
>>285199067Do you realize how much manga is published digital only these days?Even the Japanese themselves read mainly digital. Importing print versions as a foreigner isn't just a matter of money but also time and practicability.
>>285194610You can still find unmolested pngs on some other scrapers/aggregators.
>>285199086surface duo 2an android phone/tabet
>>285198698>LCD tablets with B5 format practically don't even exist.There are more IPS than OLED tablets out there, and literally every 3:2 an up is IPS >>285159585>>285198442
>>285199782The chart clearly shows that all large tablets are OLED.Obviously LCD in that size exist and get used for notebooks but for some reason they don't get used in tablets above a certain size.
>>285199846You want bigger=better or as close to JIS B5 as possible?Also nearly all OLED are Windows convertible laptops or Apple.
>>285199948Bigger than B5 is better, up to B4 format (364mm x 257mm) so you can accommodate double pages.
>>285199948Why do all those tablets have retarded rounded corners? Samsung takes the cake for having a camera notch on top.It's probably the biggest deal with the OnePlus Pad because the aspect ratio would be perfect for manga but not being able to see page numbers is a turnoff.
just get a tablet from like 2 years ago for $50 it does the same thing
>>285200006B5 is double page, tankobons are B6
>>285176648This is missing a size comparison with a tank.
>>285199948>iPad Air 13>OLED
>>285200284Thanks, fixed. Not that apple devices were ever relevant in any contexts I bring up this spreadsheet.
>>285200313Yeah, I wouldn't trust shit on this spreadsheet now.
>>285200351just make your own, all the data is on psref and gsmarena.com results.php3?mode=tablet&nDisplayResMin=6000000lower the nDisplayResMin number if you want to include apple, samsung and other trash
>>285199067Digital is so much nicer than paper.
>>285200239Magazines are B5. Plenty of volumes are A5 and some deluxe editions are B5.
>>285200313Why wouldn't apple be relevant?
iPad Pro master shit posting race reporting in
>>285176648I paid way too much money for a kindle scribe two years ago and it's just so damn good. I've been reading so many things again. I just wish there was some native app to directly browse new chapters. The HDoujin Downloader->Kindle Comic Converter pipeline isn't too bad if doing 10+ chapters in one go, but using it to keep up with monthly releases is just too aids.
>>285201368Do you just dump files on it or do you need to fill out metadata?If the bigger issue is following and downloading new chapters to PC then try suwayomi.
>>285201640I mass download all chapters, then point KCC to the folder containing all jpg/png files. It then crops and converts them to kindle scribe format, and doing a pretty fucking good job at that. Then I copy and paste the files to the kindle. The title metadata is set, and that's pretty much all I need.But that flow is a bit too shit for single chapters, even if I automated it all, because then the already kinda bad kindle UI would become a nightmare. I have no real problem waiting a while for a batch of chapters to accumulate. And for the 2-3 manga where I absolutely need to keep up I just read them on the desktop as I used to do.I'll look into suwayomi though if that helps with downloading. HDoujin Downloader is really not the best program. Thanks.
>>285201820>I mass download all chapters, then point KCC to the folder containing all jpg/png files. It then crops and converts them to kindle scribe format, and doing a pretty fucking good job at that. Then I copy and paste the files to the kindle.That sounds like a ton of work.
>>285201368Doesn't the Japanese Kindle store have most magazines and volumes?
>>2852018401. Get the url2. deselect some chapters if multiple groups did releases for the same chapter (the only real work)3. Press download4. Take the now created folder and drag it into KCC and press convert5. Drag folder onto kindleSo like 30 seconds of work per manga if there's no chapter selection necessary>>285201844Good question but I am a dekinai so I wouldn't get much out of that. Plus kindle scribe seems kinda weird in that the resolution is higher than the maximum image resolution, forcing KCC to do some hacky image splicing. I'd assume official releases are just going to be comparatively low res.
>>285202213Kindle store is limiting the resolution to x1920. The Scribe has a resolution of 1860 x 2480, which basically translates to 1240x1754 per page, well below that limit.
>>285202311That assumes you read in double page. I don't, but I guess if you do then that's completely fine, IF they're actually loading two images and not just a merged image. As they're japanese meaning technical incompetence it's probably the latter.
>>285202213>So like 30 seconds of work per manga if there's no chapter selection necessaryA lot more effort than zero seconds.
>>285202364>That assumes you read in double page. I don'tWhy not?>As they're japanese meaning technical incompetence it's probably the latter.Amazon is not a Japanese company.
>>285176648That's cool. Gonna keep using my PC, though.
>>285202399Which would get me what, reading on the pc? or the phone? LmaoIf I really wanted to I could automate the download, conversion and kindle copying, but that's just too much work for something taking 30 seconds per completed manga.>>285202401>Why not?Why should I? I like it this way. If you like it another way then you do you.>Amazon is not a Japanese company.It may surprise you but just because you buy on amazon does not mean it's actually amazon you get the goods from. It's the same for the kindle store, it's publishers/authors doing it, which in this case are japanese.
>>285202487>Which would get me what, reading on the pc? or the phone? LmaoI don't have to put in any effort to read on my tablet. New chapters are automatically downloaded to my server and my tablet just connects to that.
>>285176648Is it worth buying a kobo or similar eink reader for manga?I already own a xiaomi pad 7, it's really goodI'm just a sucker for fancy electronics. Thankfully i don't spend my money anywhere else
>>285202487The way you are reading is wrong and you miss out.Publishers offer higher resolutions on other platforms like Rakuten Kobo.
>>285202519Kobo is a bit limiting. The Elipsa 2 only has a resolution of 1404x1872, whereas the standard for 10" these days is 1860x2480. The smaller devices aren't suited for manga.Onyx Boox has a slew of options like Go 10.3, Note Air 5C, Note Max or Tab XC to consider.If you like reading in sunlight there's no better option than e-ink.
>future of manga is reading something on a tiny ass screen for fags like OP*laughs in 27inch monitor portrait setup*
>>285202506Good for you.>>285202519eink is king. Only problem is there's no perfect product, it's all tradeoffs if you want a 10+ in screen with good resolution. Or at least that was the case two years ago where kindle was king when it came to the display, with the downside being the lock to shitty amazon software forcing workarounds instead of being able to just read whatever via app.
>>285202519No, an OLED is so much nicer to read on.
>>285199948is oled the best?
>>285202568> 27inch monitor portrait setup*You mean 2 27" 4K monitors set up next to each other?
>>285202568>portrait
My 130 $ chinkshit tablet is good enough
>>285202663Yes.
>>285202589We have this odd situation where Kindle Scribe is the only 10" b&w e-reader with a front light and 300ppi. All the alternatives are either color, without front light or 227 ppi.For manga you get some benefit out of color so I'd recommend going that way. Just avoid the Scribe Colorsoft as it's ridiculously expensive ($630 for a device with 32GB storage).
>>285202748Not much choice there since I don't want an apple.
>>285202753Can you even read on a 10-inch display?
>>285202982It's small but doable.For 4koma and similar detailed content you have to read in portrait.
We should have more tech focused /a/threads. The average /a/ user is probably more knowledgeable about tech than the average /g/ user, although probably not as much as the average /diy/ user
>>285203433This site grew too big. /g/ was supposed to be the place for average /a/ users to discuss tech.
I don't get the appealThere's nothing wrong with a normal screen
>>285179115First part straight up false.
>>285203433What tech do you want to discuss other than manga readers?
>all these soulless retards praising digital over printHate you all
>>285203558Reading on e-ink isn't different than reading on paper, it blends naturally into your environment.A backlit LCD or self-illuminated OLED or CRT literally glows. It's impossible to get it to the same light level as everything else.When reading at night, a frontlit e-ink display can be dimmed to extremely low levels, emissive displays can't scale that low because at their brightest they have to work against the sun.
>>285203588How many magazines do you import from Japan?
>>285203575you just know these AI frogs are going to be in those threads parsing their manga through cgpt
>>285203575I was thinking of a new more efficient vector based image format for sharing manga.Basically if you've ever used inkscape or a vector image editing program, you would know they can "trace" normal images and turn them into vectors.This means no matter how large or small your screen is, you will be able to view the manga page perfectly since its a vector now and can be scaled infinitely. Plus since its not a raster image, it will likely reduce in size as well
>>285203669We have those retards on /a/ as well. Before it was DeepL and other crap. They've spent a decade insisting that machine translation is "finally good enough" whenever a new gimmick came.
>>285203739is your picrel an example of this? you're losing a ton of detail which makes manga art what it is
>>285203781>is your picrel an example of this? you're losing a ton of detail which makes manga art what it isJust a rough example, made it in the time before the captcha expiresIdeally you would put in some effort to tune the settings to get a good output.
>>285203739/a/ isn't in any position to promote such a format. Manga artists work with Adobe tools or Clip Studio and at best export psd files to the editors who eventually turn it into epubs with jpg. Even png would be an improvement but we can't have nice things.pdf already exists as a vector format but at best you'll see text kept as a vector instead of getting rasterized to a fixed resolution.
>>285203816>>285203781Even then, its not too bad.An 86% reduction if you consider the gunzip image
>>285203854Yeah I'm pretty sure when the mangaka use their graphic tablets to draw the manga, it already uses a vector based image format internally to store the drawings. Its just that when scanslators scan the images we go back to raster jpeg or png imagesI just wish we could go back to vector land and save a lot of storage space
>>285203925>Its just that when scanslators scan the images we go back to raster jpeg or png imagesThere is no scan in scanlator. They'll just rip the images from an website or ebook store or just take shitty public raws with even lower quality.Summon Daiz if you want to know the depths of manga publication.
>>285176648>Funko PopsEeewww...
>>285204051>Summon DaizWho is that?
>>285204119The short answer is that he's a tripfag that works for FAKKU and related English language manga publishers.See the image for a long answer.
>>285203588Digital is just better.
>>285203872Is storage expensive as shit now or what?
>>285176648The only thing that can save us from a toilet-roll webcomic future...>>285203739That looks like complete ass. Maybe if the artist drew in vector-format to begin with.>>285203925>Yeah I'm pretty sure when the mangaka use their graphic tablets to draw the manga, it already uses a vector based image format internally to store the drawings.I doubt that, but my info could be out of date.
>>285203925>Yeah I'm pretty sure when the mangaka use their graphic tablets to draw the manga, it already uses a vector based image format internally to store the drawingsCalling BS.
>>285203739One key problem with vectors is that they're a lot more computation heavy. You don't want to wait a minute for your page to render before you can read it. People aren't just reading with the latest super computer but use older devices like a Kindle with 700MHz single core CPU and 512MB RAM. Those are paying customers so you don't want to lose them.
>>285203588I mean there are benefits to digital over physical. Depending on the series, the physical version may be tiny. I've bought a few bunkouban volumes before and they're smaller than tankouban. Most Japanese paper is see through too, which you don't get with digital. It's more that some people are completely against digital, while if you read in Japanese sometimes that's the only way something is available. And especially if you read magazines you're unlikely to be importing physical magazines from Japan. I do prefer physical as well but older non-translated stuff is often only available digitally as they've stopped printing physical volumes for them.
>>285181891I agree but I can't help but feel modern manga is catering more towards smartphones. Hopefully with Apple releasing their foldable this year, it goes mainstream and manga can go back to being two page oriented again.
