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OG Tsukihime was generally weaker than Fate besides Arc, right? I think Ciel might’ve been equal to a servant? Akiha is potential woman who can beat almost anyone but wouldn’t in reality.
Where is it streaming?
What are the best Fate VNs for learning Japanese?
>Pic>Tsubaki and Sigma holding hands with Zealot>Jester trying to strangle Sigma and getting held back by Hansa>Francesca and Prelati holding handsAny other ideas for the ending in the future?
>>285232798Alcides holding hands with Bazdilot. Unlike everyone with smiles, Bazdilot still has his no-nonsense death stare going.
Both of my FSF ships
>>285232044I know that there's this whole thing about not judging A1 based on their worst works because the studio has many subdivisions -But I was really surprised that this is animated by A1. It looks really good.
Can Tsukihime fags tell me if we're getting the Remake on PC or nah?
Enkidu vs Thia is gonna be fun in the anime
>>285232989A1 has made lots of great anime, anon
>>285232959
Just read the spoilers and learnt about Alcides and my excitement dropped to Zero. Fuck you, A noble phantasm to steal other noble phantasms is bullshit. In fact, "ability to steal others' powers" is hack writing everytime it appears. It's cringelord fanfic OC tier bullshit. Fuck you. I wish I never got excited for this.
>>285233315Your fault for trusting a known hack like Narita sadly
>>285233277Shouldn't you be looking for a job now that Van-Fem cancelled your credit cards, Jester?
>>285233315>A noble phantasm to steal other noble phantasms is bullshitAnd a Noble Phantasm that has all other Noble Phantasm in it is okey? On top of having the strongest offensive Noble Phantasm as well as Clairvoyance? If anyone is fanfic OC tier bullshit it's Gil.
>>285233037They announced Steam version a while ago, but no news since then.https://vndb.org/r110736
>>285233360No need for a job or money if I'm going to commit lovers suicide, you silly billy.
>>285233315>A noble phantasm to steal other noble phantasms is bullshit. In fact, "ability to steal others' powers" is hack writing everytime it appears. It's cringelord fanfic OC tier bullshit.But Rule Breaker is fine?
>>285233369He doesn't have all Noble Phantasms. Excalibur for one.
>>285233489Rule breaker has limitations and it is not hax.
>>285233503Doesn't really matter, there are similar swords in his vault, but all of them pale in comparison to EA anyway.
>>285233315It's pretty obvious that it's going to be his downfall, but yeah, before that payoff it's still bullshit.I'm betting Thia is going to send him straight to hell.
If there was a new Carnival Phantasm (Ignore the FGO one) what sketches would you like to see?
>>285233569Reincarnation Pandora has restrictions as well. I don't know if they've been listed out yet, but it seems like a fragglerock kind of thing where he has to draw out an absolute trump card, which is why he wanted Gil to use Ea.
>>285233756Disregard Fate and just do one between Tsukihime, KnK and Mahou
>>285233087yeah but that's like five years from now
>>285233810I can wait
>>285233756Hassan gang with Zealot dropping her spaghetti
>>285233037Type-Moon will most likely release it with both sides whenever Nasu decides to finish Red Garden in the next decade.
>>285233315>NOOO, HOW DARE HERACLES HAVE A NP BASED ON PANDORA'S BOX, A FAMOUS GREEK TALE>heh, Gilgamesh? Of course, he has every NP ever made. Just a reminder that he didn't even need to use Pandora to defeat Gil, his skill was enough to expose an infinite NP merchant
>>285234034>ISHTAR-SAMA TASUKETE
>>285234093>pissing your pants in fear and getting paralized into inactionGee, maybe he's in need of some... Bravery?
>>285233793The NP has to be actively used against him, I think. And it seems like he can only steal one from one opponent, which is why he's baiting for Ea, rather than taking GoB
>>285234169Not using the NP, which he does. He never even thinks to use Ea against him despite spamming it against Enkidu.
>>285234034Pandora's box unleashed curses when opened. How does that translate to stealing other people's powers?
>>285234034Ah yes because giving Heracles a NP related to Pandora, who has no relation to Herc at all, makes perfect sense.
>>285234225And this is an inverted version of the NP, which means he takes back all the evil unleashed. If you consider humanity's need for heroes to stem from the Box opening, then it conceptually makes sense that he usurps a hero's place and steals his NP into the box if he draws the evil back in.
>>285234225Reverse pandora's box where he takes in curses? There's a vague reference to him having met Pandora or something, so maybe it'll be more explained. If they're taking the Prisma version of Pandora is canon, Pandora's Box is a holy grail that had the greek equivlent of grail mud in it.
>>285233823I want to see 120 mm M1 super-heavy anti-aircraft stratosphere gun (Uruk style)
>>285234252He's implied to have fostered her in Fate for at least a little bit
>>285232044Don't trust that smile.
Pandora???
>>285234308Gilles was a rogue agent. Prelati did nothing wrong.
>>285234402Shirou also beat Herc (twice) so it's fine
>>285232989This have been in the works for almost 4 years.
>>285233315>It's cringelord fanfic OC tier bullshit.Yes, this is TypeMoon.
>>285234456I assume you have to have knowledge where things are stored in GoB. He could've taken it and spent the rest of the war rummaging through it to find Ea. Or, more simply, he can only steal and use one NP from another servant. If he steals GoB that means he now has an empty treasury, devoid of the other NP's it houses for Gil
>>285234402Nyo, it's okay because Alcides is a shitter and this is our biggest chance to see Hercwank
>>285234516They have done Herc dirty for 20 years and suddenly is wrong for him to play dirty. It's just unfair.
>>285234110Don't forget the infinite mana and stolen buffsJust saying to watch out for glass houses. Heracles is the most baby'd character in SF.
>>285234675>and stolen buffsConfirmed to just buffing him up back to the level of his Divine self.
>>285233315I also heard that he steals it from the Throne itself? So anytime the servant gets summoned in some other timeline or universe, they won't have their stolen NP? If so that's mega cringe.
>>285234702But if he'd been his divine self during the hospital fight he would've lost, so it's rather convenient
>>285234817>I also heard that he steals it from the Throne itself?No? He just steal is from there. It also hurts the Servants when that happens because he is literally ripping parts from them off and putting them on himself
>>285234817that's just fanfic
>>285234817Is it really that hard to read something before criticizing it? Jack outright states that the most likely way to get back From Hell would be killing him and resummoning him
>>285234702No? Alcides is at his "divine" self just by using grail mud+hydra venom+Bazdillot's mana crystals. When firing on Gugalanna, he didn't have any of those stolen buffs because he was kilometers away from a city.
>>285233315>Fuck you, A noble phantasm to steal other noble phantasms is bullshit. Just imagine stealing Solomeme or a beast's NP LOL
>>285235069This redditor faggot hasn't improved at all what the fuck
>>285235083Solomon doesn't even use his noble phantasms. His rings are a skill, and more than enough.
>>285235069>black pupilsWRONGGGGGGGG
>>285233315He can steal noble phantasms? So what’s the draw back of this ability?
There should be an episode where I have sex with Richard.
>>285232275Original Tsukihime power levelsCiel could fight defensively against an average servant. Meaning if she prioritized a guarded approach she could survive pretty well Arc was equal to four servants in power, but she has terrible compatibility against Gilgamesh in particular Nasu said Shiki, didn't even stand a chance Going to guess Akiha is the same
>>285235273The savage stitching of his saint graph leaves a bunch of seams in his spirit core, and if the servant he stole it from is still around, there's a pathway to that magic energy still, basically a backdoor straight to his heart. Only the most elite magi could make use of that, but Strange Fake is a war of freaks.
>>285234034Unironically yes, you retard Heracles has nothing to do with Pandora Gilgamesh has the weapons of every hero because he is the origin of heroes. All heroes stories are derivative of his own story. He's the oldest tale of heroes, which is why all stories come from him. Which is why he has the origin of every weapon, because he is the origin of all fictional stories
>>285233315the only good fate series is fate zero. I thought you should have learned this by now
>>285235320>Heracles has nothing to do with PandoraIn Fate, they met somehow.
>>285234326Her entire story is so many layers deep at this point >She was Pandora all along>Like not the servant Pandora but the still living Pandora who refused to open the box, >Then ilya retcons Pandora's entire story>So now she may or may not be ilya as well >Ilya who reached the end of the world staged a very complex plan to recreate herself into the world using "roles"
>>285234515He cannot steal GoB
>>285233315>cringelord fanfic bullshit.that's exactly what S/F is thoughbeit, that's the entire point
>>285235403Why
>>285235419Gate of Babylon leads to only your own wealth.Stealing it means he gets a storage room for his noble phantasms.It doesn't empty Gilgamesh's treasury.Totally useless.
>>285235416Stop using sh*rtylingo
>>285235383Where is this said
>>285235341>zeroYou must be over 18 to post here
How would you rank the FSF Masters from most to least freaky?
Lotta servants have an NP that steals NPThe reason it's bullshit for Heracles is he has no legend for that, so it really is just an excuse for him to not lose a fight where he was getting his ass kicked. It was a last second ass pull at the time no one could have predicted Notable stealing NPs>David>Benkei>Hideyoshi
>>285235419Because it is never considered an option for Alcides at any point in time. not even when Alcides was trying to steal Ea.
>>285235513True rider's master pissed people off pretty good when it was revealed
>>285235536Why can't he just take Enkidu's EE then if Ea is off limits
>>285235513True rider's mana recharge would be basically a gangbang
>>285235341Trvthnvke
>>285234964Ishtar mocks him that with all those buffs he barely reaches proper Archer Herks level
>>285235455NTA, but Hippolyta implies it when they fight, since she tells him how far he's falled that he's willing to attack children (Tine) and how the old him would even make the world an enemy if it meant protecting a single child/girl iirc
>>285235563He has never met Enkidu and we don't know if he can do that either
>>285235593Okay then take Ishtar's An Gal Ta Ki Gal Šè she's there
>>285235563Ea isn't off limit its just tgat Gil never pulled it out so he couldn't steal it
>>285235587Ishtar is literally who Im quoting. She was referring to Nine Lives. Alcides lost divinity but got grail mud and hydra venom and huge mana load. These things were needed to compensate for divinity alone so it was a waste. From Hell is nearly useless because it needs to be in a populated area for it to work. They were miles away from a city so Alcides would barely have any gains from it.This statement was bastardized by Herkfags.
>>285235513True Rider's master pleases old men for money.
>>285235279I remember reading somewhere that Arc scales based on how strong her opponent is, and that makes her a bad matchup against Gil, because Gil's strength doesn't come from his body but his weapons.
>>285235650That was pre remake Arc. Now she scale based on everything you have + 1
>>285235650Yes, though that was the old lore. NuArc seems to have been wanked up a lot. Though I think Gil still wins against any Arc other than full power Archetype Earth due to his own wank.
>>285235643>>285235579>>285235558Why her? I haven't read the manga beyond a certain point so I had to google her, but she's cutie?
>>285235696Weapons aren't part of your power, which is why she can't scale. You could easily just drop a weapon, it obviously isn't part of your ability.
>>285235718Rin mugged her for her CS and then split them with the El-Melloi class
>>285235513Most freaky down:Ayaka Sajou (literally a walking talking holy grail)Thia Escardos (transhuman abomination)Tsubaki Kuruoka (inadvertent aztec goddess)Francesca Prelati (ancient undying demigod)Jester Karture (Dead Apostle)Bazdilot Cordelion (mainlining chaos tide like a madman)Flat Escardos (cheater extraordinaire)El-Melloi Classroom (thirty cheating assholes in one contract)Sigma (Watcher buffed)Orlando (Caster buffed magus)Tine Chelc (leyline jacked magus)Haruri (just a magus)Faldeus (just a magecraft user)Silver wolf (slightly magical dog)
>>285235718That one is a fake(out)
>>285235718the master is the entire load mellon classroom sans flat
>>285235718This is true rider's master
>>285235750 sans Flat AND Yvette
>>285235727NTA but pretty sure nu-arc accounts for that
>>285235727No she scale off of Weapons now too for some fucking reason. Nasu made sure she has absolutely no weakness whatsoever anymore.
>>285235752I forget, is Shirou part of this in this continuity? He got referenced once, right?
>>285235775No Shirou is most likely in the middle east by now
>>2852357751) This is a world line similar to HF. Not exactly HF, just similar.2) Shirou was NEVER one of Waver's students
>>285235775Uhhh assuming most of the things that are true in Case Files are true in FSF, then he should be running around as one of Luvia's butlers.
>>285235718If you reached this literally who, you probably reached the whole true and are just pretending not to know.
>>285235775Yes, but the world line Strange Fake is in is deliberately obscured. Dumas mentions a rumored faker who can mass produce noble phantasms.
I really like the Lusendea MagecraftPity the head met Kouma
>>285235792>Shirou was NEVER one of Waver's studentsAh, my bad. I knew he showed up in Adventures, but I haven't read it, so I just assumed he was in that class in that continuity. Thanks>>285235790>>285235796Thanks to you two as well
>tfw everyone gave a different answer to what Shirou is doing Maybe Fate is a bit too confusing
>>285235821Dumas is a meme character who constantly makes references to outside shitWhen he mentions a heroic spirit that can mass produce swords he means archer, he doesn't mean "call waver, Shirou is part of his class room and is on standby to help and he can beat servants, he'll beat all the servants for you"
>>285235613not a servant, not a noble phantasmin fact didn't ishtar transform alcides' hydra-snake-poison-arrows into her mace? she's kinda bullshit
>>285235858He's likely swinging his sword somewhere in the world.
>>285235862The Heroic Spirit he mentioned was Elmyr de HoryThe Mage he mentions was either Shirou or Cashura
>>285235858Is the correct answer that he's recovering with archer's arm while getting milked by sakura on a daily basis?
>>285235862Anon he was talking about stuff he read on the internet, he absolutely meant Shirou. But that has nothing to do with El-Melloi, no.
>>285235631we don't know if it's off-limits because we don't know RP's limitations. Ea is super duper special only ever wielded by one person so it might not be possible for RP to steal it compared to something like excalibur that has been wielded by more than one person
>>285235858>Soujuurou dies and leaves Alice a single motherHow cruel
>>285235613She's not a hero or a servant
>>285235841Shirou fucking sucks as a magus, he always will. It's kinda pointless to teach him mage shit. Best he can be is a magic user not a magus.As a magus he'll always be below kindergarten levelAs a magic user it's said he'll one day be considered on the same level as Kiritsugu Unfortunately you can't really teach what he has.
Would you rather join Rin's pirates or Luvia's PMC?
>>285235897Shirou is not "on the internet" on this universe. Dumas did not go on the date wiki.
>>285235913Can I join Extra Rin's middle east forever war?
>>285235858It depends. He should either be Luvia's butler or somewhere doing hero of justice stuff. We don't really know though.
>>285235894Perchance.My bet is on Shirou appearing alongside Gray in the last volume to bail out the El-Melloi retards and then promptly fucking off.
>>285235928And what, EMIYA is? Do you think Rin posted her grail war story to fanfiction.net? There are magi who use technology, and Shirou could be a rumored individual. The Fifth Grail War has absolutely no reliable data whatsoever, in comparison.
>>285235870Yeah she is so ridiculously powerful she can charm reality and even inanimate objects into serving her
>>285235903Mahoyo event in FGO is so weird in retrospect because it's literally just a class reunion ten years later telling fans what happened to the Mahoyo cast after it was all over. To the point it blatantly spoils some shit from future games. Nasu says Soujuurou's NP is apparently a big spoiler to something that happens later onApparently Alice and Aoko are semi immortal
When Dumas says he read something on the Internet, it's most likely that he actually means his Era Observation
>>285235900Alceides doesn't have to be able to use Ea. All he needs to do it deny Gil access to it and he will be within his range.
>>285235913Luvia any day. I'd rather work a well-paying job for a respectably young princess than a disgusting poor prostitute.
>>285235913Would either of them let me tap?
>>285235913Luvia because money.
>>285236025Gil is also the only person to ever own it, as is always specified for some reason so it has to be special some way. I'm not saying it's impossible for RP to steal it, but it's also hardly guaranteed.
>>285232044Thanks to the anon that posted this. I was having a bitch of a time trying to make it myself.
>>285236048For mana only.
>>285236054>Gil is also the only person to ever own itWasn't it state that it was used my the gods before Gil got his hands on it?
>>285235992Gazamy seems to be his final antagonist, a horrible matchup for mages and presumably someone who can't be hurt normally, which is why he has to do whatever retarded mountainman shit to do the impossible, hit the untouchable, row row break you body
If I was a master I'd just summon Speresh and instawin the entire thing
Anybody know where I can find the cooking manga past vol 5? Fate fans are so autistic, I refuse to believe it's not uploaded somewhere.
>>285236075No, the god Ea was a "pseudo-deification" of the power that created the planet (or stabilized the surface to be livable, both statements exist) but the sword/drill/wand itself is always wanked to be super duper Gil exclusive.
>>285236085https://youtu.be/m0PF66fAHs8?si=tQrkd0rRhPXT6botSomething about the location is apparently important
>>285236054>>285236075Pretty sure Nasu said somewhere EA has super DRM or something which is one reason shirou;s brain breaks when trying to analyze it
>>285236075Only the nameless god who split heaven and earth, not any of any known pantheon, even Ea of the sumerian gods.
>ishtar transforms snowfield into age of gods sumer>enkidu forces open GoB and retrieves dup shimatiwould've been a funny scenario
>>285236058Soul
>>285236112Also I remember people having such high lore expectations for the final boss given it's strange nature and the fact it was stronger than true magicians https://youtu.be/msDwNNZJTyw?si=4eoOAQgvF929J6EUNo one expected what the actual answer was
>>285236097Pwease bros...
>>285236202Though it ultimately wanks the hell out of the 1st Magic if some random ass ploy can become a world ender. Presumably the first three are probably hevily nerfed under alice and actually are super ultra strong walking singularities that can turn the world upside down or some shit
>>285236097try manga zipif you search the title in japanese and then zip or rar, you can sometimes get other DL sitesSome scans take years or never comesometimes you have to rip an ebook yourself
>>285236265Go ask /fgog/ or /tmg/
>>285234817So basically slightly less bullshit ORT?
>>285236302>>285236307Cool, thanks
>>285236341no, anon was just mistaken
Anime needs more cute muslim girls
Anyone know approximately what episode picrel will happen?Can't wait to watch reactors react to this scene and reveal (yes I watch reactors).
>>285236396Approximately the last scene of episode 6, or in episode 7, depending on how breakneck they're playing it.
>>285235468F/zero is the series for 18+ adults.
Team church best team
>>285236507>chuunibyou gunpornyeah sure kid
>>285236442Dang, well 4-5 weeks wait isn't too bad
>Hassan Fangirl>King Arthur Fanboy>Burial Agency Fanboy>Monty Python Fanboy
>>285236587there's also a Back to the Future fanboy
>>285236604That's Sabo from One Piece
>>285235341>the worst fate
>>285233793Flats also took full advantage of him stealing from Jack by the new weakness he got transforming. Hypothetically he could steal something bad for himself.
>>285234252This is the same franchise that gave Magni tons of shit he never got, Iskander both an NP which fails to consider how he failed to achieve IH during the mutiny at Opis and a bull for cutting a knot, and Lancelot an A++ NP for using improvised weapons when tons of heroes have comparable stories yet didn't.
Heh.
>>285236097If you mean the English versions, they haven't been released past volume 5. Volume 6 is coming in a few weeks.
He adjusts his power level to how worthy he considered the enemy
>>285236709I'm still mad Roland didn't get a similar one
>>285236772Say what you want about ufotable, but I miss when Gilgamesh's weapons were properly drawn or animated. Instead of them just being golden lights.
>>285236823At least they're properly drawn in the OPHaha...
>>285236772>Lancelot is more worthy than Herakekles
>>285236823Gil's weapons were drawn here too though
>>285235707Arc would fuck Gil even in her normal form due to Event Storage's cubification completely rewriting the Order of the world as well as erasing Ether on a conceptual level.He really has no answer to that shit.
>>285236927He should have weapons capable of countering all that. While her versions are immensely stronger, none of those abilities should be unique to her.
>>285235707>NuArc seems to have been wanked up a lotThis "wank" is just full powered OG Arc. It's like anons forgot that Arc is technically Type-Earth.
>>285237095She's Earth + Moon
>>285236927According to old interviews, she has bad odds in that fight >Who is stronger, Gilgamesh or Arcueid (30%)? While Arcueid has the strength of 4 Servants, I remember there being a scene in hollow implying that Gil was the equivalent of 5 Servants + a.>A. In the definition of Arcueid's strength, there's this thing where "her output changes according to her opponent". As an absolute order taken from her backup, the planet, she is allowed only an output a little stronger than her opponent. And. Single entity abilities of Arc and Servants are roughly on the same level>Servants use their respective Noble Phantasms while Arc uses her unlimited backup to fight, and differences occur depending on affinity. A simple-is-best Arc is an all rounder, and so generally her chances of winning are only high, but there are those opponents that she just has helplessly awful compatibility with.>For example, in cases where even if the guy's stats are about the same as Arc, he has a ridiculously large number of weapons with high versatility. As the amount Arc is allowed to take out is based on "single entity ability", against types like Gil-sama, well, you see?>And the "5 Servants + a" line is a comparison of simple "firepower". Like with the "corpses", foot soldier level opponents aren't going to be avoiding their attacks, so the ones who'd have the advantage are the ones who have more weapons. The reason why Servants excellent at one-on-one combat didn't stand out in Broad Bridge was because of this. Also, for normal Arc, she would get approximately the equivalent of 2 Servants single entity stats.
>>285237023He wouldn't. There is no weapon that allows you to change the Order of the world or do anything about magecraft foundations or Ether being erased. All those things are foundational concepts required for Servants to exist. There is a reason why Gil stated he stands no chance against BB under normal circumstances, since the Primordial Goddess Authority is beyond his paygrade.>none of those abilities should be unique to herThere isn't a sigle character capable of changing the Order of the world at will. You need a Fantasy Tree + Atlas Authority to actually do something similar on a high scale. But Arcueid can weaponize it since she literally turns you into a cube carrying a different world Order.
>>285237145Yes, old interviews. Remake Arcueid explicitly amps herself above the combined power of her opponent and their weapons. During her final fight with Ciel she even amped herself even further just to account for the possibility of her opponent holding a trump card that could potentially take her down despite having no proof the opponent did. That restriction mentioned in that interview literally does not exist in Remake.Basically play the Remake.
why is fate attracts the worst possible autists
>>285237229>He wouldn't. There is no weapon that allows you to change the Order of the worldThere is>Kiara Sessyoin: That's...! Even though you were flung to the edge of the galaxy......! Even if this is a conceptual space, you shouldn't have been able to cross that distance in an instant! How were you able to fly faster than light?>Gilgamesh: You idiot, did you think I wouldn't have a ship of light among my treasures? Just because I like the classics doesn't mean I don't keep up with recent developments. If there is a technique that sends somebody to the edges of space, then there will be a Noble Phantasm corresponding to itAs long as a concept exists there will be an NP for it
>>285237229>There isn't a sigle character capable of changing the Order of the world at will
>>285237312Imagine being passionate about things you likethis is so unc cringe frfr
>>285237313Funnily enough Arc's conceptual universe is directly stated to "carry concepts and laws that humanity will never understand no matter how much you extended the lifspan of the human species".
>>285234326I want to fuck Prisma Pandora
>>285237316I give you Maris but the authority to do that was something Goetia wanted to obtain by becoming the planet. Which wasn't possible according to Arc anyway.
Does anyone have the Episode 2 one?
>>285237402I wouldn't trust Arc on the subject of what's possible because she often regards her opinion as fact.
>>285237373Kinda sounds like cope coming from her who couldn't comprehend a kid with a fruit knife
>>285237441I would trust her regarding the birth and creation of planets specifically because she is the only one with the planet's memories including the time of celestial conception and death of other planets.
>>285237312>being mad about people enjoying things in a unironical wayXitter is calling and it wants it's subhuman back. Or maybe you came from blueshit which is even worse.
>>285237413Are the cops monsters? They seem like just normal humans with noble phantasms.
>>285237491It's a poetic epithet.
He’s a SUPER mongol holy fuak
>>285237457Spiderman is too fast.
>>285237457You mean a kid with the single rarest ability in TM works. Gil still can't do shit against BB's primordial goddess authority, so I don't expect him to fare well against something even greater. Seems like wishful thinking.
It ultimately comes down to which character Nasu likes more. Gil has been in far more properties and more often wanked than her, so I think he’d win in a hypothetical battle scenario.It honestly would be nice if you were just to put out a big autistic book of questions and answers. Most of the FGO interviews are so milk, toast and boring.
>>285237502Ah.
Reminder that no matter how much she's wanked, Arcueid always jobs even harder than Gil.
I can't believe they cut half the dialogue from the manga but then spent 25% of the episode on Ayaka sitting in prison with Richard
Reminder that the Servants of the Snowfield Holy Grail War would mostly lose to the Servants of the Fifth Fuyuki Holy Grail War.
>>285237514We already have Hakuno stating it's impossible to beat A3 AE which is weaker than her Tsuki counterpart in OC3. With Hakuno explicitly being able to summon Gil as part of his Servants.Zero chance Nasu wanks Gil or likes him more than Arc in current times.
>>285237514>Old Nasu interviews where he’s talking about bitches and whores >Modern Nasu interview where it’s non offensive questions.Even modern Nasu interview suck ass nowadays.
>>285237580the humble Enkidu
>>285237581>With Hakuno explicitly being able to summonSo why doesn't he?
>>285237548Arc is gimped during the entirety of her route and, while refusing to use her full power due to keeping her bloodlust in check.She won all her battles the moment she stopped being gimped in Ciel's route.Gil has no excuse since every time he loses is because he is being careless.
who the mc in this anime? i thought it was the isekai looking dark haired guy but he not even here after 2 epand the glasses girl seem boring af
>>285237629He does during battles. He is Master so he doesn't fight by himself.
>>285236058Np. Clan Calatin have really grown on me, crazy amount of effort in their designs considering they're throw-away mooks.
>>285237627Nope, even him. Narita is very autistic, you see.
>>285237654We have never seen Hakuno summon a single servant in OC3. In fact, there are plans made around using servants in that event against BB and none of his are mentioned. One of those servants even happens to be Giant Altera, if you actually think gameplay is canon.>He is MasterHe explicitly does fight, because he is also a servant with a noble phantasm.
Why is every overpowered character a jobber in this franchise?
>>285237561I mean...that was for the female viewers. This whole Fate In general was made to hook the girls.
>>285237561We love Ayaka here
Fat/strange fuck
>>285237709Because Nasu liked david vs goliath so much, he put it into damn near everything he ever wrote.>>285237654That's terrible logic. Guda is able to summon any servant he wants in gameplay, even beasts using the same mechanism. Doesn't mean he can actually do that in-story.
>>285237703>We have never seen Hakuno summon a single servant in OC3.uh bro the final battlebut yes i don't think hakuno is going around with his full team during OC3, only the end
>>285237634>Arc is gimped Why is this again?
>>285237680Narita gave them all full designs and weapons and names for the anime, where they've been kind of generic in the past
>>285237709Nasuverse is asymmetric PVP simulator. Strongest characters are no_skill shitters carried by OP skills and gear.
>>285237709Because the overpowered characters are never the protagonists, that's why. I mean, yeah, it's obvious. "Uhhh how come Bowser never wins even though he's bigger and stronger than Mario, has reality-warping magic and can breathe fire?" Because he's a boss fight.
I want to rape Reinhard.
>>285237703It's actually directly referenced he did summon Servants when he was holding off King Protea. Ritsuka directly points it out.
>>285237769What is Clan Calatin pink name? She is sex just like Viola(Church pink)
>>285237741>Doesn't mean he can actually do that in-storyAgain, Hakuno did summon Servants because Ritsuka directly referenced it in the story itself, outside gameplay.With Hakuno stating he can only summon Servants he has a connection to.
The strongest character is gilgamesh? I don't know shit about fate. I just know he has an ea cheatcode or some shit he never uses.
>>285237834Does this meant Extella games aren't canon? Because Hakuno has a connection to a huge number of Servants. Maybe not 300, but Extella has a lot of summonable Servants. Also apparently both Extella AND Link are canon (even though they originally weren't).
>>285237848Karna, Ozymandias.
>>285237869I'm sure they're canon. He just doesn't summon the entirety of his Servant repertoire during battles. Probably around the same as Ritsuka, which is 6 Servants. We know this because Hakuno told Ritsuka to rest since Ritsuka was tired and could only summon 3 Servants after dispatching Anki, with Hakuno considering that below the standard.
>>285237413can't be assed to crop it
>>285237871>Implying Ozymandias can beat GilgameshDude has the Bow of Marduk in his vault man.
>>285237848He's the strongest heroic spirit but there are many, many entities in fate (and Type Moon in general) who are above him.
>>285237834You need to read my post again>Guda is able to summon any servant he wants in gameplay, even beasts using the same mechanism. Doesn't mean he can actually do that in-story.I am specifically saying that ANY servant the player wants can be summoned in gameplay. In-story, however, they are called spot summons. These summons are not the real servants. They are shadow-esque servants that exist only for short periods of time and are less powerful than the real thing. Hakuno knows and has access to many servants as of the Extra games. We have n idea in what capacity he can summon them.
>>285237580that's not what he said
>>285236085I can understand 99% of Nasu's autisms and the logic but I still to this day can't even comprehend the fucking Mountain assassin clan bullshit or how any of that could have a lick of sense
>>285236087You wouldn't be able to summon even normal Eresh in a normal HGW
>>285237941Yes, but we're literally told in-story that Hakuno summons the Servants he has a connection with.He also states unlike him Ritsuka can choose which Servant to summon based on situation, so that's also a thing. The summoned Servants are of course only strong enough to carry you through the story.And summoned Servants are never stated to be weaker than the real thing, only they are temporary to the battle at hand.
>>285237741>That's terrible logic. Guda is able to summon any servant he wants in gameplay, even beasts using the same mechanism. Doesn't mean he can actually do that in-story.Fujimaru's ability to conjure shadow servants for combat has been acknowledged in-story numerous times.
>>285238113They're not exactly Shadow Servants, I think. The concept is similar, but Shadow Servants are kinda lame and most of them can't use Noble Phantasms. I think there's a few that can, but those are the REALLY powerful Shadow Servants that had like a fuckton of energy shoved into them.
>>285238043>And summoned Servants are never stated to be weaker than the real thingThey are absolutely weaker than the real thing because these shadow servants can be summoned up to 6. and Guda has still had trouble with ordinary servants, even with his own real servants and story helpers assisting him. >>285238113>>285237941
Do lorefags here get all their knowledge from reading the source material or the wiki? I'm just saying I can't fathom the degree of autism it would take for a single person to consume every piece of TM media to try to piece together its clusterfuck of lore.
>>285238169>>285238043We've seen what these servants are like in Shimousa, which is about the only manga to detail them. Ritsuka's servants are extremely weak and are used for support purposes, not direct combat. S/he does get stronger over the course of the story. By late-game part 2, they can beat servants on their own.
>>285238169I'm pretty sure Fujimaru's conjured servants can't use noble phantasms, in fact.. it would let him solve too many problems by pulling out the correct servant at the correct time, while he only gets to use it to wallop insignificant enemies into retreat or submission from time to time.
>>285238175Wrong. Shadow Servants aren't even that much weaker than the real thing, they are just temporary. They can even communicate. The best example is in LB6 where Ritsuka summoned two shadow Servants, which were Lancelot and Gawain, in order to help Mash defeat the transformed Barghest (and yes, it's explicitly stated they were shadow Servants).The Servants Ritsuka has had trouble with are generally amped or exceptional in a variety of ways to the point they are no longer normal Servants.
>>285238175Yeah it typically takes at least a team of three simple summons to match one enemy Servant, and even then Guda is generally disadvantaged. The Shimousa adaptation actually does a really good job of portraying how Guda's simple summons work, and the amount of strategy that goes into utilizing them. Cost is also a factor; canonically, Guda seems to prioritize low-cost Servants over high-cost ones. In fact, cost is actually brought up one time by Goredolf.
I'm still pissed at FGO having Richaed say Guda is his best MasterI don't care if "someone else" is his favorite when he can't even remember Ayaka
>>285238222I'm ignoring the Shimousa manga because it directly contradicts the depiction of shadow Servants in LB6. Unless of course, they get stronger like you said and closer to normal Servants.
>>285238267Ayaka's kind of a trash Master. She only excels as a battery but she's practically useless outside of that. I'm sure Richard LIKES Ayaka, but she contributes almost nothing outside of energy and I guess moral support. Not even that much moral support because she's kind of a downer.
>>285237871>KarnaJobbed in Apocrypha>Ozymandias.Jobbed in Camelot
>>285238292Well, I wasn't specifying the servants getting stronger so much as Ritsuka gaining more experience and becoming a better master. Either way, they beat Tezcatlipoca and Dantes, so they're pretty strong.
to put it in modern termsIma dab on em niggas, gil
>>285237561And we didn't even get to see the part where they made hot steamy love to each other...
>>285232989A-1 is a mercenary, their work varies wildly based on how much money they pump into it.
>>285238350he's supposed to say "full throttle" (modern terminology) instead of "all out" but the translators can't do their job as usual
>>285237709Fate franchise is based loosely on the Raildex universe where everything revolves around weakest defeating the strongest
I miss jetposting Gilkeks are getting too cocky We need a hero
>>285238308It's also important to remember that Guda has one extremely unfair advantage that almost no other Master is able to replicate: experience. Typically, Holy Grail Wars don't last longer than a month. Even if you're a Master for a prolonged period of time, the amount of combat experience you're gonna have is gonna be relatively small. In general, you're probably not going to fight more than seven-to-fourteen Servants total across the entirety of your life, and you're unlikely to meet that many overall. In terms of raw experience, Guda has more than every single Master in Fate/stay night, Fate/Zero, Fate/Apocrypha and Fate/strange Fake combined.
>>285238436Alcides is your man
Weak bait
>>285238251No. Shadow servants are absolutely weaker than the real thing. A shadow servant cannot even perform an NP on their own.>Mash:>Servants are being summon– No, that's not it!>Mash:>Their Spirit Origin values are too low. These are...Shadow Servants? And there's so many!Shadow servants barely register as normal servants because their SG is weak as hell.>The best example is in LB6 where Ritsuka summoned two shadow ServantsFalse, those were actual servants using Mashu's round table. They are not the servants Ritsuka can pull off at will in battle and he did not summon them.
>>285238464And yet, Kadoc had to teach him basic survival techniques in Traum
>>285237713>This whole Fate In general was made to hook the girls.It became more blatant from Fate CCC onward, considering the designs of the girls.
>>285232989Fate anime always looks good and part of the reason is Nasu paying extra from their FGO coffer for the extra animation.
I want to rape Gilgamesh.
>>285238113There's a difference between quick summon(battle summon) and full summon, Guda can do both, the difference is quick summon doesn't use much manaYou see Guda use full summon in various chapters such as LB1. But the mana upkeep becomes a full time cost. Also fully summons Yuyu in LB4.5, not just a shadow.In various chapters in FGO especially the first arc the characters often say you can't use summoning properly until you get access to the leylines. In Zero event Waver had to break the tohsaka leylines in order to utilize them, saying that it would be a good learning experience for Rin one day having to deal with the shit he just did. Having access to the mana of the land makes summoning easy.
>>285238501street smarts vs book smarts
These threads are moving way too fast.And the old man is getting a ton of new fanart every day.
True Rider's Masters and Thia vs Team AWho wins?
>>285238497>False, those were actual servants using Mashu's round tableAnd you're just flat out wrong:>Meunière According to Nemo Professor's calculations, you can only summon one Shadow Servant. Two if you really push your limits!Lancelot and Gawain were explicitly shadow Servants in LB6. >and he did not summon themAgain, wrong:>Meunière Oh geez, you just barely pulled through, too! I can't believe you remote summoned two Servants... Twice, no less!
>>285238251>and yes, it's explicitly stated they were shadow Servants).Really? Explicitly stated?Alright then, cite your source.
>>285238308Guda gets advice from people like Romani (aka Solomon) and Lev and shit anon. He also has a whole team supporting him around the clock and all the great servants of the past giving him advice and technical advisors on the line. He also has former masters as pseudoservants to give him advice. It's a team effort. People like Ayaka and Shirou etc the HGW is their first experience and they have no help or mentorship from anyone so of course they go straight into the deep end and are unprepared.
>>285238654Thia is pretty strong but Team A has Daybit so I'll have to go with Mister Bluebook
>>285238654Thia can probably solo team A. He only lost to Load Mellon's class due to compatibility and not taking them seriously. I don't think Daybit has an answer for orbital bombardment.
All I wamt is a happy ending for all three
>>285238693There are times when Guda gets cut off from Chaldea and that's when their worth is really tested. Shimousa's a good example of this.
>>285238673Nah, you're wrong.>Narration:>The summoning itself was performed by the Round Table and the Heroic Spirits that appeared were constrained by time limits.>Narration:>Even if there was no contractual price to pay, Mash's stamina and vitality would still be scraped off.Next time, read the entire story you quote instead of ripping off lines. Lancelot and Gawain were proper summons using the round table and Mashu. They were not shadow servants Ritsuka normally uses.
Shimousa's great in this regard.>Fighting Shuten Douji and Raikou>Shuten Douji can envelop the battlefield in poison mist. It's also the middle of the night. Both opponents are women.>Summons Jack the Ripper. All the conditions to max out Maria the Ripper are set so she goes to town. She's running circles around Shuten.>Summons Caligula. Because Shuten and Raikou's Spirit Origins have been corrupted by karma, Flucticulus Diana is especially effective on them.
>>285238705>Thia can probably solo team A.Daybit stomped vitchHe's on another level
>>285238511I would say from FGO onward since (specifically) those two girls die without hooking up with the MC.
>>285238756holy fuck tine is gils master?????
>>285238763Not just that. In her current state, Raikou's mommy issues are extremely pronounced so she has an extremely hard time fighting Jack. She does eventually kill Jack, though.
I love FSF but I hope we get something more lowkey soonEven the El-Melloi sequel went into Power Level Wank from what I've seenLost Einherjar looked like it was gonna be it, but it got stuck at one volume
>>285238267I don't know why you're surprised when Guda is constantly called the best Master in history and every Servant loves him, has the most accomplishments out of any human ever and is the most important person.
>>285238693Ayaka and Shirou have Rin(the literal exposition character) holding their hand the entire war
>>285238763Yeah Shimousa is without a doubt Ritsuka at their best.
>>285238777Thia is enkidu level or above. Servant Vitch lacks her Beast powers. But Thia's general plan is just go to space and throw rocks until shit is dead. Daybit has some kind of traveling ability but he seems to be anti-personelle basically.Biggest problem is they didn't have the budget to give him a proper fight so we don't really know his actual capabilities.
>>285238751>and the Heroic Spirits that appeared were constrained by time limits.So bascally shadow Servants.>Even if there was no contractual price to pay, Mash's stamina and vitality would still be scraped off.Says nothing about Mash summoning them. Only that she was exhausted after the battle.
>>285238267Ayaka has no personality
>>285238801They were kinda trash throughout a good chunk of Observer on the Timeless Temple, but their experiences from there built them into a superior Master by Epic of Remnant. The point is that experience matters, and no other Master ever has an opportunity to build up an entire year's worth of experience the way they can. As already stated, Holy Grail Wars usually don't last longer than a month, if even that.
>>285238778While that true in Melt's case specifically FGO really did her justice.
>>285237709>Why did McWeak beat Saint Overlord?This is an overexplaining franchise and this question has been feediing Nasu for decades
>>285238830NTA but Thia is stronger than gil then?This is retarded honestly
>>285238595Going off what 'Mr I don't want my familiars talking back to me' says I think that everyone in FGO who can summon without relying on HGW can choose between full and quick summon
>>285238815Salem gets some points. The fact that she was able to win a fight using Mata Hari is pretty impressive.
>>285238316>Implying that Gil doesn't job at allThe ironing...
Stop pretending Guda is an actual character
>>285238853CCC and Foxtail were the Fate works released right before FGO, so whatever. It didn't take her long to become summonable, unlike Violet or Kazura, which makes sense, because Melt has always been the Sakura 5 with the most cummer design. Well, Violet hasn't even been released.
>>285237931grand only and it's just a vasavi shakti np at best
>>285238801I'm not surprisedJust pissed off
>>285238926
>>285238877Thia is definitely in the top tiers in terms of Servant level beings. Should still lose to Gil, but he's strong enough to fight equally with Enkidu and not be on the backfoot. Problem with strange Fake is that Narita had to bring nearly everyone to the end so barely anyone gets definitve fights.
>>285238801He reached the rank of pride, the highest rank of magus, despite not knowing magic. Just speaks to how good his accomplishments are.
>>285238949>because Melt has always been the Sakura 5 with the most cummer design.Wouldn't that be Lip?
>>285238552Ishtar..
>>285238926He is one in the manga adaptations. A rather generic but one nonetheless.
>>285238846>So bascally shadow Servants.Shadow servants have weaker saint graphs than normal servants. >>285238497 A temporary summoning and an actual shadow servant are distinct. In Britain, you are not permitted to summon actual heroic spirits without ties to the fairy kingdom, Ritsuka can still use spot summoning. Specifically making a distinction between his servants and servants summoned through the normal method via the round table. Lancelot and Gawain needed the latter method to be summoned. Narration:The report of the night Sheffield fell mentioned signs of the Shield of the Round Table initiating consecutive summonings.Narration:The Fairy Kingdom imported the title 'Knight of the Round Table' and gave it recognition.Narration:Therefore, the existence of the Knights of the Round Table was permitted in this Lostworld.Narration:That was the greatest advantage possessed by Galahad—no, Mash Kyrielight.Narration:The summoning itself was performed by the Round Table and the Heroic Spirits that appeared were constrained by time limits.The shield of the round table summoned them, not Ritsuka's spot summons. They are properly summoned servants. If they were spot summons, which had been used throughout the entire Lostworld, Mash would not need to ask how they could appearMash:N-no, that's not what I meant. How did the two of you make it here!?Mash:Heroic Spirits of pan-human history are unable to be summoned to this Britain...!Knight of the Sun:That appears to be the case. However, we also appear to be exceptions.Knight of the Sun:There must have been individuals in this country who received our names.So you're wrong and completely lacking context. Ritsuka's summons are weak as hell individually. I repeat:>They are absolutely weaker than the real thing because these shadow servants can be summoned up to 6. and Guda has still had trouble with ordinary servants, even with his own real servants and story helpers assisting him.
>>285238990But enkidu >= gilIs this a compatibility thing or what
>>285238995>pride, the highest rank of magusThat's Grand
Does Richard talk about Saladin how does he feel about him?
>>285239031Nobody ever talks about Turas RealtaPity cause it's good
>>285238815Nah, just compare her to Seraphix Guda where he's Chris Redfield
>>285238995>the highest rank of magusIt's not lol, pretty much everyone from Waver's class reached Pride rank.
You guys just need to accept that Guda will always have the best relationship with any Servant compared to every other Master.
>>285239032>A temporary summoning and an actual shadow servant are distinct>Ritsuka can still use spot summoningOk, so what you're saying is spot summoning and shadow Servants aren't necessarily the same?
>>285239095Richard prefers Ayaka without even remembering her
>>285238552Imagine a girl like the one with Astolfo In Apocrypha trying to tie Gilgamesh up and play with him. Would he just kill her and choose to die If she was his master?
>>285238998Naked crotch >>> naked titsAnd this was her last panel, before she died.
>>285239068That plus the various adaptation of EoR
>>285238830Daybit beat CamazotzDaybit beat Goetia, without any servants Daybit walked through the universe itself through the Testament universeDaybit killed one of the servants level deinos by hand just to test what their current abilities were, he was unharmed Camazotz warns Guda that Daybit is a mirror, the greater the force you use against him the greater his shadow isHe's basically a human Arcuied where the greater power you use against him, the more shadows and more power he's allowed to use from the dark star so he's always +1Among all humans in TM stories Daybit is the biggest oddity, much more than Flat
>>285239095Mine only used every loli servant, the others no matter how good were never used...besides servants that allow looping.
>>285238984
>>285237561how much is being cut from the manga? and of the manga from the ln?
>>285239127obviously he'd kill her, it's not like he has any great desires in a grail war, he's just fucking around. plus as an archer he'd have a couple days without a mana source assuming he didn't start cheating with GoB
I hope they keep the scene where Flat freaks out over Loli Jack
>>285239165Wonder how Salem's went.
>>285239068The art is kinda shit
>>285239234>Loli Jackshe will get cut
>>285239169lol still lost to a little girl
>>285239287
>>285239258I think it's actually been completed or is otherwise close to it, but no one's translating it anymore.
>>285239169Daybit kind of stalemated batty but he was winded and Cameltoez got bored. So that seems to be the upper limit of what he can do alone.Maris' Lostbelts for the Crtpyers sound like they didn't actually have Goetia. Hard to imagine she could recreate BeastsI wish they had given us a proper fighr because the shadow forigners really don't give a good idea of his powers
>>285239098Yes. Shadow servants exist independently of spot summoning. But spot summonings are comparable to them, if not worse than them in duration.Gawain and Lancelot in LB6 were stated neither. Pic related is what a shadow servant can look like. They're desperate tricks even by David's standards and Scathach calls them wraiths who never managed to reach servant-level, or a heroic spirit with a fucked up summoning or weakened due to the master's lack of ability.
>niqabi shia muslim assassinWhat were they thinking with this character?
>>285239319suzuka is so ass
Please take this to /fgog/ or /alter/
>>285239357Dw, I'm done.
this is lewder than holding hands
>>285239319Suzuka is so tits
>>285238436>Kekacock
>>285239155how did she pass away?
>>285239302Lovey dovey sex, marriage, and impregnation
>>285239319Probably the most embarrassing loss for Raikou.
Can FGOfaggots stay out?
>>285239406gawain took out the trash
>>285239422I mean, she only lost cause her relationship with her Master was unironically too good
>>285239380She's fingering his braid.... what a slut
>>285239426I'll post Tsubaki when those japanese motherfuckers start drawing Tsubaki.
>>285239337>Hard to imagine she could recreate BeastsShe recreated Nega Summon and her profile states she can recreate the Authorities of the Beast.Hell, Camazotz himself is a recreation remember?
>>285239380Richard fucks this.
>>285239483The main seven lostbelts are part of Maris' core thingy, so that's different than the ones she created for the crypters. Those were just tossed together lostbelts for their revivial.
>>285239481She looks like she'd hang out with Abby.
>>285239348I can fix her
>>285239426Don't be jealous that FGO is better
>>285239553She's a good girl. Abby would corrupt her.
>>285239515What makes you think they are different and somehow lesser?
>Japanese in America/American in Japan>Close to an edgy child soldier Fate MCTsubaki x Voyager
>>285239098>>285239344You have to remember that the summons and all the servants that are in the chapter with Guda (the ones from Chaldea) all have to be supplied with mana. Also the servants on your actual Chaldea. If you can get away with shit cheap summons it's better. After all, you don't get a discount on mana upkeep like you do during HGW
>>285239431Damn, so she got pulverized via sword beam like Rider?
>>285239553>>285239661Is It bad that despite the fact I like Abby's pancake-loving good girl self better I would still tell her to her face that she makes me think naughty thoughts?
>>285239744not even, he just impaled her on galatine
>>285239771No, being sincere is a good thing.
>>285239778it's always the crazy hot bitches who fall first
If John Proctor was a Servant, would he get Innocent Monster'd into a lolicon?
>>285239426Not even Narita could do that.Nasu "suddenly" decided to write Babylonia... it's over.
>>285239829Fall on the sword right?..... right?
>>285237680Right? Darling cops. >>285236058I love Glasses here.I love her hair, style and how that side-bang moves. I love how little she is.I love how she looks like the serious and stern type, but is actually really expressive. I love the shoulder nudge. Little rough, but friendly, can tell she and the guy on the left are buddies.I hope we see more of her. She doesn't appear in the actual fight. Maybe a non-combatant?
Can someone explain to a newcomer like me what a holy grail war is? Is it something like a tournament where the winner gets a grail that makes all your wishes true like dragon ball?
>>285239902Well, you said she was impaled.
>>285239940>Is it something like a tournament where the winner gets a grail that makes all your wishes true like dragon ball?Yeah, that's it. The long autism version is A ritual that uses the souls of heroes to accomplish the "Third Magic" that basically is about becoming a Soul God, one dude did that but he left this dimension and left incomplete instructions about how he did it, so his descendants/golems try to recreate it with Grail Wars
>>285239993Wow, sounds cool and autistic as fuck, i'm in
>>285239940Holy Grail appears. 7 mages gather and summon 7 servants, legendary heroes of myth. Each is of one of 7 different classes that determine their abilities. They all fight it out, both directly and indirectly, with the winning pair getting the Grail and one wish each. There's more to it than that and stuff going on in the back, but that's the basic premise.
Is it worth watching Fate Strange Fake just for her? Is it fine starting here?
This show feels really rushed. How much is getting cut from the source material, whatever that is?
>>285238926i am guda though?
>>285239938>shoulderElbow. What the fuck, me.
>>285238926Kerry is the only MC I like.
>>285240016Sounds BASED.Is it the type of story where the mc (in this case the blonde glasses and arthur pendragon) always win or is there some sort of suspense as to who will win?
>>285240069If the exposition given in Episode 0 isn't enough to follow what's happening, it's probably not fine starting here.
Saber girl figs sold 5trillionNew saberito carlito figs sold 4(fags)
>>285239940watch the first episode of zero i think that's the best explanation
>>285240069>Is it fine starting here?It's full of nods to previous stuff Nasu has written, but it's not completely necessary to understand them for the overarching plot I suppose. I feel like you probably have to at least watch Fate/Zero to not have a solid 30% of the show go over your head because the narrative assumes you understand why an Einzbern being in Nevada during this fake grail war is a big deal.
>>285240069>Is it worth watching Fate Strange Fake just for her? "Her". Strange/fake is an ensemble story, every character has its time to shine but they will also disappear for long chunks. Is it fine starting here?Yeah, no problem.>>285240078Internal monologues (everyone), intricate or fun details (the knife that Flat used to summon Jack was part of Waver's VN limited edition collection, etc) and some background information about the masters/servants.
>>285240172>the narrative assumes you understand why an Einzbern being in Nevada during this fake grail war is a big dealThe sex doll industry is very big there, nothing weird with it.
>>285240145This particular story is one where fights are almost always a tie.
>>285239902I wouldn't have minded her falling into my dick. Dressed like that, she was begging to get fucked.
>>285240172>>285240175I see. Maybe I'll watch Fate/Zero first then
Does summoning a hero require the use of a relic? If a mage just decided to summon without one would they just get someone random?
>>285240145The idea is more of a setpiece for various different stories. Fate/Stay Night is the original story and there are basically no characters beyond a couple that appear in this anime, entirely different story. Narita who wrote Durarara and Baccano wrote this so it's basically an ensemble story, everybody gets a few moments to shine (except the nuns).
>>285240172because those retards love to gamble?
>>285240244If you don't use a catalyst you just get the servant that's most compatible with you.
>>285239644You can't fix her retardation.
>>285240078Cutting dialogue and scenes is typical for any adaptation, especially when it comes to novels and especially with Fate. You think any of the Fate adaptations so far have accurately adapted the 60 hour visual novel? If you like animation and flashy fight scenes then don't think too hard and enjoy watching the anime, if you want accuracy to the source material then read the source material.
>>285240244if you don't have a catalist you can summon here:https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Special:RandomInCategory/Servants
Why doesnt the DA just use his vampire powers to assassinate all the other masters himself?
>>285239444>Raikou getting hugged by her Master as both are getting deletedOne of the most beautiful deaths in that manga. Would have done the same for my precious mama.
>>285240069It's fine starting here. Every HGW plot is basically a standalone and long complicated story short, servant memories get effectively wiped on summoning.
>>285239348I'm just glad someone finally got around to the idea that most muslims are by default against witchcraft and djinnery and if one of them were a servant they'd be a real fucking problem for everyone involved. For too long Assassins in these stories are just mooks to show how strong another servant is, at least she's doing that and also having a story arc.
>>285240244You get someone matching your personality.>what if you don't have a personalityThat's exactly what happens to Sigma.
>>285240314Rolling seems like a better choice than specifically trying to get an assassin desu.
>>285239940Seven mages get together, summon seven legendary heroes from the past such as King Arthur or Heracles, and the winner gets a wish in the end. Seems obvious enough, but everyone that knows the franchise knows there's always more to the ritual, there's always twists, and there's always more revealed. Part of what makes Fate good is a simple premise, and slowly they pan out throughout the story showing how the basic premise was a lie.
>>285240244In that case, your personality acts as the CatalystFrancesca brought Sigma into the Snowfield HGW to see what happens when a blank slate does a summon without a Catalyst
>>285233838Realistically she would drop her spaghetti while the other are embarrassed to death to have someone who admire them that much when they are willingly practicing in grail wars with King Hassan and Azrael sending death glare at the gang and talling zealot that while her Faith is in the right place she waisted her life and effort taking this bums as idols
>>285240145No one ever wins a holy grail war, not really.There is no protaganist in Fate/StrangeHave you never read a Narita story before?The protagonist slot in a Narita is like a ball, every five minutes characters constantly have to pass the ball around to someone else, as the story constantly rotates between all the characters over and over.Watch Baccano if you've never experienced a Narita story before. You'll instantly understand how he does things.
>>285240364>>285240401So what did it do
>>285240354Why does she always seem to be taking Astolfo cock?
Is there a holy grail war when berserk wins atleast? The role is jobber incsrnstion
>>285240314https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Jeanne_d%27Arc_(Ruler)I'm not that big of a moralfag
>>285240335The same reason an Assassin doesn't kill all the Masters, plot armor.Assassin has a high win rate as long as the War is taking place offscreen.
>>285240430Moby Dick showed up to make him a Servant
>>285240364>>285240401Would blood count as a catalyst? Plenty of descendents of famous people out there and can't lik 2 percent of the population trace their ancestry back to Ghengis Khan? That seems like it would be a good get.
>>285240430Grail: "You wanna play games with me? Fuck it, you're the hero now."
>>285240444jannu goes to broken people toowith her "I can fix him" attitude
>>285239319Fox Tail killed off all the best girls way too fast.
>>285235083Solomon has three of them which one are you talking about ?
>>285240476No. Using yourself as a catalyst would try to summon yourself, but you are not in the throne of heroes.
>>285240335Because the other Masters have Servants and Jester fucking sucks. Jester was created prior to the Tsukihime remake, so he was probably designed with the expectation of what the "average" non-Ancestor upper-tier Dead Apostle would be like. So he's basically meant to be a little higher on the totem poll than Yumizuka and Sion TATARI, but significantly lower than Nrvnqsr, Walachia, Dust of Osiris and even Roa.In the current powerlevel structure of Tsukihime, however, Jester is probably only Rank V at best. Roa (Shiki) and Vlov (pre-Idea Blood) are Rank VI. The highest rank in Tsukihime is Rank IX (Ancestor), while the highest rank in Fate is Rank VII (Superior Dead Apostle). If Narita had written Fake AFTER learning about the powerlevel restructuring, then I'd imagine he would have made Jester a little stronger. But because Jester was invented years before this revelation, he's kind of a loser.
>>285240436Berserker is more of a jobber to the stars. They get a couple of wins but end up losing to stronger servants. Lancers and assasins are the real jobber.
>>285240508>Using yourself as a catalyst would try to summon yourself, but you are not in the throne of heroes.You don't know that. If fucking Shirous future self can get in then I can too.
>>285240431A redditfag who commissions artSomething I learned the last few years, 90% of cuck art and cuck ships, are usually just "one guy" who either does it out of sprite in order to poison a character's SEO so its all people see when they look up the character because some Castoriafag called him a wanker once and now he wants to make sure all people see when they see the character is cuckshit, spends years on a grudge when the other guy already forgot about it, or just out of some forced shipping. Look at Orihime and Hinata art; the second they "won" the harem war at the end of their manga, they started getting thousands of comissions for blacked art. Cuck art is almost entirely done out of sprite or anger, like maybe 1% of it is done out of non seething emotions.
>>285240579ganbatte
>>285240476>Would blood count as a catalyst?Your own or someone else's? Either way I feel like that would also get you some random pick based on your ancestry (which has high chances to screw you over by giving you a weak shitter that just happened to get into the throne) or nothing at all.
>>285240612god he's so fluffy
>>285240541I don't think Jester has used his true trump card yet which I think was hyped as Servant level, unless Narita retconned it.
>>285240541Jester is a Rank VI for nowHe gets downgraded after Van-Fem fires him
>>285239348I can now understand why muslims have a fetish for this. Seeing a covered girl's face and hair revealed is pure sex.
>>285240541Yumizuka is secretly top tier, she was supposed to beat Nero in her hypothetical route. She was the closest thing a DA could be to a DAA without reaching DAA status yet, after a few weeks/months at most. There was some old concept art of her hair growing in her cut route but I'm not looking for it.>Q: Did Zouken have a choice to become a Dead Apostle when he sought immortality? If he did, I'd like to know why he didn't transform into a Dead Apostle. <Pon De>>Nasu: If you become a vampire, the Holy Church will be after you all the time, so he couldn't take that risk. If his objective (goal) was to become "immortal", he may have turned into a vampire, but other than that, well, it's whether or not he had the talent to become a vampire. There are only about 27 idiosyncratic people like a certain Ms Yumizuka and her "You thought I was common? but I'm actually SSR!" in this world!>Takeuchi: What? Aren't there actually a few more out there?>Nasu: Yeah, let's say we undercounted and add about three more.
>>285240590That sadly makes a lot of sense.... I suppose it's even easier now with prompter pr0n. Is that what they call astroturfing?
>>285240693No, he's definitely Rank V. If Jester were Rank VI, then he wouldn't be reliant on a greater Dead Apostle for power, he'd be completely independent. The fact that being abandoned by Van Fem nerfed him so badly proves he's only Rank V.
>>285240475It's not Moby Dick. It's Leviathan.
>>285240693Jester couldn't have been rank VII at least. Since those can't be downgraded by Ancestors. The guy was likely rank V or VI.With rank V DAs being powerful enough to defeat multiple executors even fighting in coordination. So he would still be quite strong.
>>285240475>>285240746its not really confirmed to be either
>>285240069>Is it worth watching Fate Strange Fake just for her?Absolutely.
>>285239348>Backstory at first is meant to portray her as a Super OP Mary Sue oppressed for being a woman but accepting it>The longer the story goes on the more you learn that she's actually incompetent and a heretic who was rightly shat on and is entirely coasting by on fucking Dead Apostle mana and is a bigger jobber than any other Assassin even fucking 100 FacesIt's excellent story telling
>>285240746Moby Dick IS Leviathan
>>285240723Yumiduka has a ton of potential, but she's unrefined and has like no skills. If you were to compare her to a Servant, she'd basically have all around high stats but only one Class Skill (Independent Action) and one Personal Skill (Bloodsucker). She'd have a high Mana stat but nothing to use it on because she's unlearned, untrained and absolutely inexperienced.She's like a rookie Ciel who has no scriptures, no Roa knowledge, no training and no Idea Bloods. Just a massive mana tank.
>>285240579Y'know, when I was complete newfag to Fate and heard that Shirou became a Heroic Spirit, I thought that it was through effort and achievements. Turns out that in the endlessly subversive world of Type-Moon, he became a "hero" by literally striking a contract with the World, which many people have done before and since.
>>285240723>she was supposed to beat Nero in her hypothetical routeWe'll get it eventually, but it's kinda sad for Sacchin that we're still talking about her hypothetical route. While I wouldn't mind Red Garden being more down to earth, I want Nasu to let Satsuki go wild.
>>285240831Nah. He already had the talent and ability, that's why the planet approached him in the first place. The planet is opportunistic, but also picky. It's not going to offer any random nobody a contract. Shirou has value.
>>285239206>how much is being cut from the manga?A lot of explanations are being cut for the sake of pacing>and of the manga from the ln?Probably also a lot but the manga still has lots of detail
>>285240822She's a human who entirely skipped the ghoul stage of being a vampire, and within a few weeks kept evolving throughout the stages of being a vampire way too fast. Its not just potential, she's called a genius among geniuses when it comes to being a vampire. Unfortunately it isn't really a good thing for her.>As it happens, she had an exceptional predisposition for being a vampire. The fact that she was able to operate as a Dead Apostle less than a day after being bitten is totally unheard of. That she was only able to discover her talents after death… it's a little ironic, no? Exactly what you'd expect from the shadow heroine Sacchin.
>>285240822Depletion Garden is a thing.
>>285240939Niche ability.
>>285237514Unfortunately for you nasu his a femdom fetish His heroine are always stronger than his heroes
>>285240867Nah, strength isn't what makes you a heroRin explains how there hasn't been a heroic spirit born in the last hundred years because the conditions for it became basically impossible in the modern age. Voyager is meant to be the final natural heroic spirit. Heroic spirits need belief, they need faith, they need people to believe you're special, the one and only, an object of worship, something more than human, it requires faith, which is basically impossible in the information age. You don't think Neil Armstrong is "Some superhuman figure" do you? No he's just a guy, even if he went to space. The modern age is too jaded for heroes, at least in the traditional sense.
>>285240590>>285240734yeahit's also why there's so much vtumor art, it's mostly commissions
Is Iori the most autistic Fate MC?
>>285237649Both of them technically speaking
>>285240977Having a contract with the planet is different from becoming a Heroic Spirit organically. A Counter Guardian is a very specific category of Heroic Spirit.
>>285240831After the Age of Heroes, you can only get into the Throne with occult shit or some faerie boost. Don't ask me about the writers, I don't get it either.
>>285241038You ain't going to become a heroic spirit in the modern age
>>285233503>doesn't have Excalibur>has EaMogged to oblivion.
>>285241050Like I said, you can if you have some sort of value. As stated, the reason the planet approached Emiya was because he had value as a Counter Guardian, an enforcer of the Human Order. It wouldn't offer that contract to just anyone. It's picky.
>>285240259>(except the nuns).Dammit!
>>285240259>(except the nuns)A-at least the animators will make sure to include them in various shots...
Does your strength as a vampire depends on who turns you?
>>285241088>Like I said, you can if you have some sort of valueYeah can't, the conditions aren't present anymore. Being a counter guardian isn't "really" becoming a heroic spirit. Being a heroic spirit is like being chosen for a scholarship at a school, and being a CG is like applying to be a janitor. No matter how you try to spin it, you aren't "going to a top tier academy school", you're just a janitor.
>>285241129Yeah kinda, look at Roa being turned by Arcuied, and the original Roa was far stronger than Arcuied after being turned. Arcuied had to team up with the church to kill original Roa. But you also need to have a lot of other factors going in your favor, SHIKI bit lots of people, but only one of them turned into a super vampire. Its at least partially luck or genetics.
>>285241135Doesn't matter. You're being anal. Counter Guardian is a subcategory of Heroic Spirits. Emiya is always referred to as a Heroic Spirit.
>>285240807Zealot is supposed to be tragic yeah, she's just a foolish girl trying her hardest but the best she can do is emulate other because she has low self-esteem and don't think she's worth anything.
>>285238416Nigga,no. nasu started writings and publishing when Kamachi was still in his middle school The two just have similar inspiration but very different execution
I am PRAYING that Nasu has Kohaku kill Arach in Red Garden and cement herself as main antagonist
>>285239940>reddit tier post is getting (You)sWe're so back /a/ bros.
>>285241187Kohaku never kills people directlyShe sets people against each other without any of them realizing it. She just drugs people, and tells them who their enemy is, indirectly.
>>285241172Well that, and also she's kind of an idiot. Despite being so utterly obsessed with the order's teachings, she also disregards half of them due to her own twisted principles. She wanted to become the leader of an order of assassins, but also completely eschews assassination tactics. She's completely hopeless.
>>285241216Fine, that Kohaku gets Arach killed and cements herself as the main antagonistHappy now?
>>285238984Ritsuka and Mash have boyscout vibes.Cringe at multiversal scale, their ending is coherent.
>>285241235I think she'd just have SHIKI kill her
>>285239940It's a scam meant to lure schmucks with false promises of a wish if winning.
>>285240745He doesn't "rely" on Van-Fem, he operates completely independently. He lacks the freedoms bequeathed to rank VII but he is not a servant vampire, just a vampire with a patron and that patron got upset.Rank VI can't be completely independent. Otherwise, the note that rank VIIs have total freedom makes no sense.
>>285241163>the original Roa was far stronger than Arcuied after being turnedThis never made a lick of sense, so I'm glad it was removed from the Remake.
So, did Zealot compete against Zayd, Asako or one of the other 98?
>>285238984The more median Fate fan playing Extra Record is going to cause another annoying paradigm shift when they realize Hakuno is one of the funnier Nasu protagonists.
>>285241303Hundred FaceHundred Face in life just looked like a normal guy mostlyIts not something we talk about much, but servants DO look different upon being summoned, compared to how they looked when they were alive, generally. When they're alive they look normal, upon being summoned they feel more like boisterous exaggerations of themselves at times.
>>285241303All of them at once..? It's one Hassan, anon.
Anime for Redline
>>285241352>>285241301Like, Hundred Face in life didn't have the power to literally turn into a hundred different bodiesHe just had 100 different schizo personalitiesThis is what he looked like in lifeIn FGO Asako became the main personality for....obvious reasons. Its a shame current Nasu doesn't have the monetary sense of old Nasu, these things should be obvious.
>>285239302They really should have had sex to settle who is truly the strongest
>>285241398Asako became the main personality because of Urobuchi, anon. Nasu's Hassans are Cursed Arm, Gunpowder Midget and King Hassan.
>>285241047It's more specifically after the World Faith Domination. After the invention of the lightbulb causing the night to no longer belong to the phantasmal, plus the recording sight and sound, mystery evaporated from the world at an unprecedented rate. Heroes CAN exist, but their number is few and far between, and their quality is nigh-universally low.The only natura-born hero of note born after the 1910s is Voyager, and he's a very special case.
>>285241352>>285241362>>285241398Yeah, but which one was the original personality?
>>285240314>Majin SaberI'm okay with this.
>>285241504There is something you are assuming: that the main personality even continued to exist after Delusional Illusion fractured their existence.
>>285241437Nasu:>Cursed Arm>??? (Cyber Fantasy, 3rd Holy Grail War)>King Hassan>Intoxicated Smoke (design unknown but apparently a woman)Urobuchi:>Hundred PersonasSakurai:>Serenity>Shining StarNarita:>Fathomless RiftThere are other Hassans, but we know very little about them. Intoxicated Smoke just gets a mention because she at least got some dialogue and we have some understanding of her personality.
>>285240541Jester's been sandbagging the entire war though. Dorothea obviously is going to be at her deadliest once she's out of her boytoy armor and fighting for her life. So long as she's got any bodies left to sacrifice, none of this is actually dangerous to her, so why should she be doing anything but entertain herself?
>>285241563Intoxicated Smoke was also the one that made Zealot want to become a Hashashin
Jester Dorothea is going to end up jobbing and crying like a bitch,mark my words
>>285241599Then maybe Asako is modeled after her. Intoxicated Smoke's design used Asako as a placeholder sprite from what I recall.
>>285241563Here's a list taken from the wikiList isn't that good since they kinda make it clear in Camelot that Cursed hand is the 18th canidate I think. You meet his son, or the son of the woman he loved. Unless they were just going through Hassan that fast.Narita says Intoxicating Smoke is meant to be untouchable like smoke, but they ended up getting killed a bit too easily by Tristan
>>285241642Tristan forced them to choose between themselves and innocent peopleThis was also how they died originally, according to FSF
>>285241642From a certain profile ■ Fathomless Rift: AA curse and blessing marked in the world after his death because the First's blade allowed him to pay his death ahead of its time.In other words, a Skill that expresses how one man became Hassan-i-Sabbah by becoming the very shadow of death.He can move as a shadow and warp to any place that has a shadow. Therefore, his blade cannot reach one who is only in light.This doesn't make him impervious to any attacks like the Hassan of Intoxicated Smoke is.
>>285241563Shining Star was so fucking trash, man. He did not deserve to be the first 4* Hassan.
>>285241663FGO said that any Hassan that erred or failed, they would hear the bells. King Hassan does not kill anyone except the other Hassan who fail in their duty, he is the Hassan that kills Hassan, the judge. He only appears before those who are about to die. You are not allowed to see him unless you're ready to die.Fathomless Rift is the only Hassan to seek out the Temple of Azreal and pay with his death ahead of time, so that he could be of use later.
>>285241708Hope she appears someday. I'd like to see what King Hassan thinks of her.
>>285241724The failed Hassan? I think the opinion of her was already covered between her conversation with Fathomless Rift in the last novel.
>>285241724Not highly mostly likely looking at his reaction for the others
>>285241222Yeah she's dumb dumb. In a way she's kinda similar to how Artoria started out, naive, faithfull, full of dream and kinda dumb. Also surrounded by people who don't care that much about her well-being. But with even lower self-esteem.
The sky and ocean are basically the same thing because they're the same color
>>285241698What can you expect from Sakurai she’s a hack.
>>285241310>Implying anyone will play Extra: Reheated
>>285241936>Nero, Arc and Rin in the same gameWhy wouldn't I?
>>285240807Coasting on mana is just as valid an HGW strategy as any. In my opinion mana upkeep is by far the most important thing in HGW after servant compatibility: what's the point in trying to summon a super strong servant if you can't even use the NP because you can't sustain them.
>>285241961Even if said game... is Extra?
>"Hmm, Cursed Arm. What gain did thou find in grafting a demon's arm onto thy body? Thine own foolishness? Fool. Bare thy neck.">"Hmm, Serenity. What purpose did thy poisoned body serve? Solitude, unfit to protect even the flowers of the field? Fool. Bare they neck.">"Hmm, Hundred Personas. What did thy wisdom beyond reckoning buy thee? A hundred souls vying for a single truth? Fool. Bare thy neck."Hassans suck.
don't bake another threada new one is already up>>285241889>>285241889>>285241889
>>285241965Jester didn't roll for Zealot, he actually wanted a traditional Hassan but due to the fucked up nature of the Fake HW, he ended up with Zealot. That he got turned on by her is a different story...
>>285242022>>>/vg/
>>285242003I feel Zealot would agree she's useless and unworthy and should die. But Hassan would probably just ignore her because she isn't actually a Hassan.
>>285242082He might feel pity for her, but as she's not a Hassan, he wouldn't kill her. He might just consider her to be the result of the order's failure as a whole. "You dumbasses were so shit at your jobs that you produced a child this broken and fucked up. This is all your fault. Off with your heads."
>>285241982Yeah? Is there something you want to tell me?
>>285232275ORT > Crimson Moon > Primate Murder > Zelretch > Gilgamesh > Arcueid ≥ Black Sakura > Berserker = Black Saber ≥ Saber > Lancer > Rider = Archer > Caster ≥ Aoko = Nrvnqsr = Kouma = Barthomeloi ≥ Kojirou > Ciel ≥ Great Teacher Hassan (GTH) ≥ "Ryougi Shiki" > V Sion = AC Satsuki = R.Shiki = Bazett ≥ Akiha = Fujino = Araya ≥ Touko = Alba ≥ 18th Roa > > SHIKI = Kiri = Reinforced Kuzuki ≥ Sion = UBW Shirou > ha Avenger > Nanaya = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Leysritt > Satsuki ≥ Rio = Avalon Shirou > ha Sakura > Salaryman Dead = Ilya = Corpse ≥ Azaka ≥ Misayo > Kirie = Zombie ≥ Dragon Tooth Warrior ≥ Fuji-nee > Shinji > Fake Shiki
