>>285241889Prelati is a cute girl
>>285239431>>285239155>>285238511Anons just wanted Melt to survive longer in that manga to get more fap material out of it.
Richard meeting Waver's entire classroom for the first time
>>285241889does the mesugaki go unraped
>>285242013Nobody in SF is a mesugaki.Prelati is just a shortie, she has huge tits.
>>285242013prelati already fucked sigma
>>285242013Prelati is old
>>285241889no one drinks coffee like that
>>285241983You bet I fucking did.
>>285242191It's okay. Who didn't?
Why are old men like this?
Can I interest you in some based braids?
I wanna see Tsubaki playing with the child Servants in Chaldea
>>285241889Who is the good guy
Are the Strange Fake novels and manga even finished? Or will the season currently airing end in a cliffhanger to give Narita more time to end the story? If it isn't done, is the story at least close to being done?
>>285241983What they did to her crotch in FGO was a travesty.To say nothing of what they did to Lip's tits. And I don't even like Lip!
>>285241889>eating popcorn>"there are some treating this holy grail war like a game">cuts to prelati eating popcornwtf
>>285242280The what?
>>285242322They looked the best in foxtail, prior to the censorship, but no way they were going to give their original looks a pass. FGO's early age rating and Chinese release doomed them. Mata Hari and other FGO skimpy Servants were also censored eventually.
>>285241889very strange, one might say.
>>285242127>Yfw when you failed so hard at being an Hassan even the Hassan who kill failed Hassan doesn't kill youZealotbro...
>>285242459Looks like a simple question to me
>>285242003>"Hmm, Cursed Arm. What gain did thou find in grafting a demon's arm onto thy body? Thine own foolishness? Fool. Bare thy neck."What the fuck did he mean by this? He got a kickass ability that let him do his job well, that's the gain.By all means shit on him for the heresy of fusing with demonic flesh, but it didn't really impede him in life. Feels like the old man's just cherrypicking at this point.
>>285241889trannime?
>>285241889Fate/Trans Fake
>>285241889Is this real or a meme? What makes the girl originally a guy and other guy originally a girl? If it's like the King Arthur thing that was just the excuse of legend being distorted, right? Not gender swapping.
>Throughout every generation, the leaders of the Order of Assassins had unique epithets and feats of assassination correspondent with those names.>The Old Man of the Mountain was the only one with no such name. He could be considered the Order's originator and its very concept.>An unreachable star, unseen regulation, and unavoidable executioner to the eighteen leaders who followed him.>In every generation, the Hassan-i-Sabbah's degradation would not be tolerated.>At the moment that those permitted to stray from morality drown in human pleasure, great causes are corrupted into personal desires and become contrary to the dogmas.>And because this was intolerable, the Old Man appeared to the Hassans carrying the evening bell.>To some, due to age and degradation dulling their assassination feats.>To some, due to the corruption of desire consuming them.>To invite them to the everlasting darkness with his blade of demise, much like demise itself eventually appears before all.>A proper leader of the Order of Assassins needs to dedicate all they have to the dogmas and chain their egos under the Hassan name.>When, for any reason, they become unable to comply with this, that is the moment their lives end.>There's no need for them to be in the mausoleum. Wherever they go, the Old Man will be standing behind the Hassan that was living their life wrong.>It's as if the true Mausoleum of Azrael is wherever the Old Man is.Anyone who fails as a leader meets the same fate, the bells.Yes even getting old counts as failing if your skills fade at all
>>285242322>>285242473The Fox tail one looks cuter, younger, and softer.But FGO's is more accurate anatomically.I don't mind the small strings they added, as long as her crotch is well drawn. Lip's censored design is more divisive tho. Will admit that.It's like Mythra's censored outfit in Smash. You either like it or you don't.
>>285242543He's chastising them for their moral failings. You must dedicate all your flesh, all your soul, all your body to the faith. King Hassan heavily modified his body without his soul or heart ever straying from his faith/ideals.Cursed Hand modified his body, all he found was his own foolishness. A desire to be famous, a desire to leave behind a name, an anger that his deeds were not regarded more. In the end he acted out of ego and impulsiveness. His actions during Camelot did a lot to improve his reputation among the sect, but his actions during HF were quite foolish.
>>285242543>Feels like the old man's just cherrypicking at this point.That's what old man do.
>>285242683>>A proper leader of the Order of Assassins needs to dedicate all they have to the dogmas and chain their egos under the Hassan name.Sounds like Zealot should be perfect for the job.
>>285242683>Yes even getting old counts as failing if your skills fade at all>Boy it sure is hard work dedicating my whole being to the cause of the order but it's also rewarding, hey, did my back just creak?>*Founder teleports behinds u*>"Fuck you. Go fuck yourself. You piece of shit. Die."T-Thanks gramps...
>>285242792Don't be caught lacking
>>285242675In Fate there is a male and female Prelati, and the male is the original. Female one was the male version and chose a female body.
>>285241983This post scared me before I remembered there's more than one Melt manga
>>285242703Even the censored version would be too hot for TV
>>285242770Her issue is that she's too stupid. All Zabaniyas are assassination techniques, but this dumbass's primary tactic is to leap in and smash her face into her enemies.
>>285242847Foxtail isn't a Melt manga. Although we wish it were also one. Her only manga is SERAPH's.
>>285242818>chose a female bodyYou can just do that? How?
>>285242675Top is a batshit insane alchemist/occultist that creates a new body for each time period. His current hat just happens to be a girl.Bottom is a batshit insane vampire that can transfigure her body as she pleases and so long that she has as stack of lives. For this grail war, she's gallivanting as a man.
>>285242683From Strange Fake, apparently one Hassan actually died IN the job, sacrificing their life to save a village. What happens then, King Skeletor come in to spit on your body chop you up for the insolence?
God I want to fuck an old man.
>>285242864>Her issue is that she's too stupid. All Zabaniyas are assassination techniques, but this dumbass's primary tactic is to leap in and smash her face into her enemies.Yet she's by far the most successful and plot-armored assassin somehow. Annoying.
>>285242818How is Prelatti avoiding the soul rot anyway. He isn't a Dead Apostle, and body hoping can't save your soul from rotting. Is he just making copy of himself who count as "new" ?
>>285242909I want to inhabit a male (male) body with a big dick. Actually my own body but with dick longer than 5" would be fine. I'm self-conscious about my dick. Apparently that's within global average when you include South Asia but try telling that to women.
>>285242931Understandable
>>285242911The whole stick of the Hassashin is to die for their faith, so I suppose that one did it's job and died a martyr.
>>285242911Intoxicated Smoke seems to be the only Hassan who Hassaned correctly so First would just give her a thumbs up.
>>285242971Essence isn't human so no decay. Prelati is a demigod, born of the goddess Ate.
>>285242976Fuck, I never considered that the global average could be skewed by Asia.
>>285243021In fairness global average expectations are skewed by women
Is there a Ghengis Khan servant yet?
>>285243129No. No one in Type-Moon cares about the Mongols.
>>285243129There isn't a single Mongolian servant. Lu Bu apparently counts but as far as I'm concerned he's Chinese
>>285243129Nope.I heard the other day that apparently this is because the mongolian community in Japan has a precedent of throwing shit fits whenever ol' Temujin gets adapted into fiction. Not violently like muslims, but quite annoying.
>>285243228There were theories that Genghis Khan might be one of the Sefar units alongside Attila the Hun.
Rereading the most recent volumes, the amount of Rin wanking in volume 8 is just way too much
>>285243376You didn’t like her going super saiyan?
>>285242905Creating new bodies for yourself is like basic magecraft in the Nasuverse.
>>285243376>Actually, the Servants of the Seventh War were the best of the best>Actually, Zouken was such a monster that Prelati couldn't do shit to him>Actually, Rin's a super genius and none of the magi in the Snowfield War can hold a candle to her>Actually, King Arthur was super awesome and the best king ever>Actually, Gilgamesh really is the greatest and strongest King of Heroes, you don't even know>Actually, Emiya's awesome and way better at producing fake NPs than Dumas>Actually, even though No Name's Arm of Shaytan is superior, Cursed Arm was way better at using his.
>>285243376It can't be helped.
>>285243547WE ALREADY KNEW ALL THIS NARITA
>>285243488Even just her shitting on Ayaka trying to brainwash her or call her fake, and Saber has to "handle it" for her by saying he can easily kill everyone present instantly, and Rin doesn't react at all because she doesn't care because she knows she's untouchable, and all the others basically said "I knew Rin could handle that saber", just comes off as too much. Its like reading a story where the characters themselves know they have too much plot armor for anything to actually happen to them, so they have no fear or human emotion even when they should. She's written as an invincible character who can do whatever, who exists to say "Hehe, these lame-o new characters, I'll show you how an old TM character does it, activating plot armor, hehe I'm not worried at all about a rogue goddess or Alcidies shitting out grail mud all over the world while throwing thousands of hydra snakes at ishtar, for me this is a daily thing" as the rest of the class all claps for her. Then she only wanks herself harder fusing with Eresh for a second overpowering ishtar. Its like every Rin scene is " slightly too much"
>>285243547>>Actually, King Arthur was super awesome and the best king everWe are Richardposting now?
>>285243633The scene where Richard literally watches all of Fate Zero, and then spends awhile debating the meaning of the Feast of King's episode.A bit much, that really happened
His reaction is so funny.It's like he's caught so offguard that he goes "wait, am I fucked? Nah, I'm safe"
>>285243615Rin is just a culmination of the sheer amount of Fifth War wank that's been happening throughout the series. Narita has been constantly telling us just how awesome and crazy and amazing the participants of the Fifth War were, and now that someone other than Gilgamesh is here, he gets to actually show it. He's been ejaculating non-stop ever since and that's why updates are so slow.
>>285243671you can freak out as much as you want, but never let it show on your face
>>285243671In the novels, he actually might've been fucked, but he had to bluff the situation.DA is super effective against humans wielding NPs, but he wasn't.
>>285243678>interview where Narita talks about how all the FSF servants are inferior to the FSN servants all aroundits a bit much
>>285243615Case Files cast fucking suck, manThey drained all the tension from that volume and later ones. Nothing will happen to them because they're protected by previous works. Basically, if they're involved, just fuck it, the situation is done. Dogshit.
>>285243735He never said that
>>285243764Didn't Flat just die? Huh? What? Also the cat died too I cried.
>>285243671I'm really enjoying the little microexpressions they animated, I guess not releasing for like 5 years paid off with the animators getting plenty of time to tinker with sub-final drafts. Jester had a lot of those moments as well.
True rider’s master plot twist is probably the most dogshit part of the story.
Is Jester stronger than Vlov and manga Roa?
>>285243820No, Flat was originally a part of SF so he's fine and still dead. It's the others that are fucking garbage. What the hell was Narita thinking?>>285243848Fuck nowell maybe Roa. Roa degenerated.
Also anyone find it a little weird how the moment Rin met Hippolyta, she made her wear her hair like Saber? What's up with that?
>Narita: You know how the Fifth Holy Grail was the one where the Servant strength average was at the highest? I care about that a lot, so I designed all of mine to be countered by someone from the Fifth. No matter how strong the Servants in FsF get, they can't one-up the Fsn Servant each of them is designed to lose against.
>>285243880I wonder who's supposed to intrinsically beat Pale Rider. Nobody in F/SN is an underworld master.
>>285243129Not yet but watch and see him be an Ushiwakamaru Pretender alt based on a real fringe theory that Yoshitsune escaped to Mongolia and became Genghis
>>285243917Medea probably knows spells that can deal with that. Gilgamesh probably has a MP that can deal with it too. And when in doubt, just blow it away with a holy sword.
>>285243880So FSF servants mog their class counterparts but go even with their worst matchup
>>285243880The anon that said Narita is Japanese Dave Filoni might be right lol.
>>285243946Uhh they already showed the way Yoshitsune died in Fate and they already fused Yoshitsune with someone else.
>[Thou art not one of us. However... that is all. There is no further meaning to thy difference.]>"...?">[Thou wast supposed to realize while thou wast still in the flesh.]>The Assassin with no name looked above, unable to understand the conversation.>She felt the pitch-black holes behind the skull mask's eyes looking at her.>And as always, the voice echoed through the entire shadow world around her.>[It is due to our doubts, losses, madness, loves, and wants that we reach the summit of the mountain, and since the summit is inescapable, it is through the mercy of the original that we are allowed to return to the ravine.]>The voice spoke slowly, allowing his words to sink into the nameless Assassin's body and soul—into the very life that built this Saint Graph piece by piece until reached the status of Heroic Spirit.>[Thou art one who treadeth the walk of life.]>The Servant present in the form of the true Assassin—Hassan-i-Sabbah—addressed the one pious devotee safeguarded within the shadow before him.>The shadow carved into the world declared:>[Thou art of the folk we exist to protect... Thine is the faith I tributed my life for.]>"..........">The nameless Assassin was speechless. In contrast, Hassan calmly continued.>[The first of the Old Men wilt disavow thy choice. The mountain and the ravine wilt reject thee.]>Following that, the Assassin with no name noticed changes.>She began to once again feel the chilling winds on her skin and the sounds she was isolated from until now. She understood she was released from the "invisible shadow".>"Thence...">The voice came only from one direction.>There she saw a pitch-black shadow spreading around the skull mask, forming a human body.>"It is my role as his extended shadow to show thee to thy path.">After leaving those bizarre words said with a voice full of almost parental affection, different from his previous mechanical tone—I guess King would disavow her, according to spooky.
>>285243880I don't think this is true at all with the crazy shit including Invincible Dumbass Assassin Waifu.
>>285243615They simply guessed that Richard was bluffing to get Ayaka to stop him so they would see she wasn't a threatGiven what we know about Richard, it's just as likely that he was serious and simply stopped cause Ayaka asked him toBesides, the ones to actually kill Ishtat were both FSF originald
>>285242932What the fuck are you talking about? Her named kill count so far is one sixth of a person
>>285244033They can pull alternate timeline shit all they want like with most Saber alts
>>285243958Well just saying "Gilgamesh" is lazy, also I'd define Gilgamesh as a servant of the fourth holy grail war, not the fifth, even if his ass was still lounging around.I don't think you can just blow away the entire underworld with Excalibur, and swinging it at Pale Rider himself is a questionable prospect when it just summons an endless cavalcade of colossal ghosts. But if Narita said Artoria can just Do That then I guess whatever.
Two of the El-Melloi classroom got offscreened by a twelve year old Kadoc and had to negotiate
>>285244056Oh no he was entirely serious, its his personality, he doesn't bluff, he also doesn't play around. He's a guy that will do it just as casually as saying it. He's slightly a sociopath who doesn't care about killing or dying himself, he'll rush forward without a care, he has no guilt at all. Despite acting nonchalant all the students and Hippolyta are immediately guarded after he said it except Rin, because she's simply better than all of them.>In his past life, the volatility of his emotions was so big it seemed as if his personality suddenly changed in a matter of seconds, but with a Spirit Origin as a >Saber his aspect as someone extremely sociable have manifested strongly.>However, his true nature hasn’t changed, so he will bring down his blade against his enemy without wavering and while smiling affably, and if he thinks his >Master is a detestable human, there’s a good chance that he kills them before they can use a Command Spell.>The intrepidity to not fear even the fact that he’d disappear if he does that really makes Lionheart troublesome.>A fishy court mage that called himself Saint-Germain said,>『You, with such a troublesome character, were endowed with>the lineage of a king and military talent… Oh, so scary!>That must be why your mother kept telling you several epics as a model for life.』
>>285244146They just said a Zemlupus magus, it probably wasn't Kadoc.
>>285244084Can they give Yoshitsune an alt that isn’t possessed by a seething jobber ghost first?
>>285244168Rin was simply too dumb to recognize he wasn't bluffing
>>285244169Yeah, but it being Kadoc at twelve is the funniest option so I just go with that
>>285242675Powerlevels in Fate are so high that dickwizards exist. Mages can make homunculi that are indistinguishable from humans and new bodies for themselves. In Fate if you want to be another gender you can just do it. And no one really gives a shit if you do.
>>285244168Rin is never the type to be cowed. It's not that she "knew she could handle it", it's that if he does go berserk and slaughter them, Rin is prepared to die without a frown. She is a proper and true magus, at least on the outside. Never panic, never falter.It does help that it's old hat; she has stared down more dangerous heroes. Richard is a hell of a guy, but depending on route, Rin may have had to deal with Heracles or Gilgamesh personally. Also, on the simple merit of the fact that he made a threat and didn't actually open with attacking, the situation had not become unsalvageable so.. why would she be unnerved?Rin is never unnerved until things are actually bad. She is not a worrier.
>>285244130Excalibur can do a lot of bullshit. Regardless of all that "underworld" stuff, in reality it's really just conceptual bullshit built off of false equivalences. Pale Rider is just the personification of the Black Death which, due to a mixture of convenient interpretations and deliberate logical fallacies, was forced into being equivalent to something more impressive than it actually is. So once you bring truly ridiculous nonsense like legitimate heroes from the Age of Gods with ACTUAL familiarity with legitimate AoG underworlds, including sorceries straight up derived from the very gods themselves, things start getting muddled.And Excalibur was forged like 15,000 years ago in the Inner Sea of the Planet as the ultimate Holy Sword, so Nasu keeps justifying all sorts of bullshit. Pale Rider is weird, but nowhere close to a contender for the Top 100 Servants.
>>285243958>And when in doubt, just blow it away with a holy sword.It has no physical form at all, it cannot be fought, it cannot be attacked, it only exists within humans, all humans. A plague of death that spreads through everyone nearby. Its greatest weakness and greatest strength is it has no real physical form, you can't actually do shit about it existing. The only thing you can do is deal with its master. Pale Rider is almost just a machine that follows the desires of its master. Although if anything harmful got near its master, even other servants that got near Tsubaki were forced to turn back out of fear. The feeling of death was too strong.>Riding (EX Rank): The Pale Rider possesses a unique form of Riding involving his sphere of influence. He "rides" the wind, humanity, and the world itself.>Contagion (A Rank): The Skill of expanding one's territory by splitting itself into viruses and bacteria, then infecting other lifeforms. The infected have their body and mind under its control, and the mind is dragged into the world created by its Noble Phantasm. Sometimes it also absorbs Magical Energy and other things from them.>Innocent World (EX Rank): A Skill that pronouncedly reflects the imagery created by humanity's fear of death and disease. Since said images are so miscellaneous, mixed and disorganized, they get simplified when recalled, and their nature varies for each person brought into the underworld created by the Noble Phantasm.>Guidance of the Underworld (EX Rank): The Skill of granting a variety of divine blessings to those it regards as allies, among the ones brought into the territory turned into a Underworld by its Noble Phantasm. Since Pale Rider is not really a King of the Underworld, this Skill is slightly different from the Protection of the Underworld Skill that one goddess has.
Can someone explain what assassin's issue is? I don't understand why she's angry or considered broken by the other hassans
>>285244278I'd almost say Gilgamesh is easier to deal with than Richard if you know their personalities. Gilgamesh has pretty solid morals in his own way, which is why he didn't kill Waver.
>>285243848>>285243869Jester likely beats him in stats but i think Roa makeups for it with his Numerology magecraft.His' latest reincarnation makes him a bit tanky too.
>>285243376>>285243615>>285243678I always assumed the Adventures of El-Melloi were crap just reading about them, thank you for confirming anon.
>>285244310Yeah but Excalibur is special. Its light can purify curses and blow away calamities. Pale Rider is basically just a living curse.
>>285244310■ Doomsday Come: Come, Dark Path, ComeRank: EXType: Anti-World Noble PhantasmRange: —Maximum Targets: —A Noble Phantasm that creates a Bounded World that becomes an artificial “underworld” with Pale Rider’s Master as its starting point, which acts as a receptacle for the “deaths” that Pale Rider bestows. Because it is strongly influenced by the Master’s conceptions, it can become an archetypal heaven or hell, but it can also become a space that acts as absolute nothingness and destroys souls. In extreme circumstances, Pale Rider can pull its target’s body into the ward as well as their mind. The ward is typically smaller in scale, but as a result of connecting to the land itself and other factors, Pale Rider is currently creating a larger ward than it would when summoned normally.■ Kagome Kagome: Sword, Famine, Death, BeastRank: AType: Anti-Army Noble PhantasmRange: 99Maximum Targets: 999The ability to manifest and utilize the power of numerous objects that impart “death” to others within Pale Rider’s ward. In an ideal environment, it is also capable of recreating a mythical “doomsday” to the extent that magical energy will permit. It did not reach that level because Tsubaki lacks knowledge of the Apocalypse or Ragnarök and did not wish for a hell. The pronunciation of this Noble Phantasm’s name varies from Master to Master.
What exactly did Flat do to piss off Mario so much that he went after them himself?
>>285244359All of that's just flowery language. At its core, Pale Rider is just a fake pretending to be the real deal. You can throw in all the EXs you want, but in the end, it's a parlor trick.
>>285244292Pale Rider is a lot more high concept than you seem to take him for. The Black Death was just one of his deeds. He is the conceptual incarnation of "disease", the Death that rides upon men and beasts and wind and water. His name is Death, and he is the fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse. His Noble Phantasm actualizes the end of the world as his Master envisions it; thankfully, a young girl like Tsubaki can envision nothing more than the world at night.Excalibur is awesome, but unless it's being used against a Threat to the World, it's just a big blast of energy. A very big blast, big enough to kill a lot of stuff, but Pale Rider can also make a ridiculous lot of stuff, so... eh. Only the author could say.
>>285244328Too autistic and zealous about doctrine. While all Hassans purge heretics without question. Some degree of discretion and case-by-case analysis is also recommended. Nameless Hassan doesn't bother with that shit.There's also the deal about how she never really developed her own techniques and just copied shit from all other Hassans. Apparently a Hassan must develop their own shit. But I think this is just butthurt and coping on their part. Replicating the abilities of all her predecessors is honestly pretty impressive.
>>285243223Mandricardo can somehow be counted even if make zero sense for mongolian to be anything near Western Europe in the 8 century
>>285244328She's such a fanatic that she scared the other fanatics in the Hashashin
>>285244382... No, anon, he's Death. He's not faking a thing. He's an inhuman heroic spirit of the abrahamic faith.
>>285244348He's kind of a bigger deal than you seem to think, he's not just a random ghost or random curse. He's something that exists within all humans, forever.>El-Melloi II conjectures that Fake Rider is a Heroic Spirit related to pathogens, or possibly a being that had been treated as symbolic of sickness itself in an era that lacked the concepts of bacteria or viruses.[6] Yuukaku Kuruoka speculates that he must be the embodiment of a concept, although it's hard to determine whether this is death, nothingness, or disease. In Japan, a yōkai called a "yanari" was created to explain houses creaking. That was a type of folk magecraft, deciding that it was a conscious being, giving it form, and taking mental measures against it. However, considering Fake Rider's power, Yuukaku believes it must be an entity recognized on a global scale.[12] Death is everywhere, not just in the land of the dead. Mystically speaking, the concept of death exists even in air, water, stone, and earth.>The reason Pale Rider is capable of wielding immense power is that he is an embodiment of a portion of the Planet Earth’s logic.[14] Pale Rider's true nature is that of a system-type Servant designed for carrying death to humans.[16][17] Because of this, Jester Karture refers to him as "Cursed Servant of the Planet."[16] Although he is a Heroic Spirit in name, the terms "hero", "Villainous Spirit", "Demonic Spirit" or Wraith don't suffice to describe "him."[2][12] In some places, “he” was described as a “curse”, while in some religions, “he” was said to be “divine punishment”. In the Holy Grail War, Servants are selected from the past and the future—from every age of Human History. The classes into which the Servants are summoned transcend time. A Hero of the past, known only via lore, may be summoned, as may a Hero of the future, not yet born into this world. From that perspective—“he” has existed since time immemorial, and “he” will likely continue to exist far into the future.
>>285241889Get it?STRANGE AND FAKEHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>285244396That's pretty explicitly noted to be an excuse in the first volume and in truth they were just scared of herAll in all, she probably wouldn't have done great as Hassan, but it's not like Hubdred Faces did all that well
>>285244396>Replicating the abilities of all her predecessors is honestly pretty impressive.I mean, she certainly has a more varied skillset because of it, but aren't all her Zabaniyas just inferior walmart copies of the original?
>>285244390It's all tricks and wordplay. Again, not even remotely in the running for top Servant. It's just another flawed wish granter. You're all being tricked. He's a Fake Rider. Everything about him is fake. The most he can do at max power is create a minute Singularity.
>>285244338Awakened Roa is stated to be relative to Ciel without equipment, with the caveat being it's still daytime. Zero chance of Jester being stronger than him in anything.Roa had been storing energy and consuming humans for quite a while before Arc and Ciel arrived in the city, so the guy was fully fed at the time.
>>285244473Some are worse, some are betterAnd in one case she straight up made shit up cause she could only find the name of the Zabaniya
>>285244484"The most he can do" is begin Ragnarok, anon. He is absolutely a wild card.>He's a Fake Rider. Everything about him is fake. So, Gilgamesh and Enkidu are fake too? The "Fake Servants" are only a qualifier meaning they're not actually participating in a Holy Grail War, they're just heroic spirits summoned to agitate the leylines and cause the HGW to begin. It's not a denial of their quality or identity.
>>285244473>but aren't all her Zabaniyas just inferior walmart copies of the original?No, some are stronger than the originalsShe recreated all of them based on vague writings, so the results she came up with, while reaching the same result, are often very different with their methods. She's not a shitheap like Archer where all she can do is make shitty fakesNo she recreated every NP by hand, some better, some worse, but each one she recreated, except for one(two) because she couldn't quite comprehend them.
So which fights in the anime is going to full budget and focus?
>>285244574Probably Hansa VS Jester, Gil VS Alcides, and Jack VS Alcides.
>>285244581Nasu never said that
>>285244532 #Everyone taking Pale Rider at face value are missing the point. Putting aside all the ridiculousness of the war, there is no way in hell Holy Grail, even a fucked up one, would actually have enough power to summon a legitimate Authority.The fact that Narita states with absolute certainty that Pale Rider would straight up lose to a Fifth War Servant proves this.
>>285244345they're not anything like this
>>285244484you have no idea what you're talking about. just stop
>>285244444WHEREWHERE IS THE PRETENDER CLASS
>>285242473Has FGO ever been censored in JP server?
>>285244598>to a Fifth War ServantLMAO Jets would demolish Strange Fake if that's the case. Such a shit tier war.
>>285244484He's directly called the dark horse of the entire war. A being that no one else could deal with, without just killing his master(his only weakness). Even Alcidies had to sacrifice some of his NPs just to survive the curse of death.
>>285244534Ichor of Reverie, for example, is noted to be better than the original in that she can use it to control someone by focusing it on themHeretical Reminiscence, on the other hand, only lasts for a few seconds on her while Intoxicated Smoke's lasted up to a weekAnd while her Delusional Poison Body is technically worse, Serenity would probably prefer it cause she can, you know, touch people
>>285244656No, IIRC. But they finally raised FGO's age rating in Japan.
>>285244598It shouldn't have been able to summon Enkidu either, but it did.Consider that it also has a complete freak of a Master, despite nobody realizing it. Tsubaki is effectively a newborn aztec goddess. Her potential is beyond absurd.Additionally, Pale Rider's abilities extend only to its own Bounded World where it rules. I think, of anyone, it should be Medea who is able to counteract it, by dismantling the bounded field of Doomsday Come. Flat was able to puncture it a little bit, so Medea should be able to hack it way better.
>>285244667Again, if a Fifth War Servant, regardless of which one it is, can pose as an absolute wall to it, then that alone is enough of a clue that it isn't what it seems.
>>285244656Only to remove the name of a master to make a servant more for the self insert
>>285244598They story directly says because the grail is heretically broken, it summoned things far too powerful that it shouldn't have summoned. Every servant in the war is an anomaly in any other grail war.
>>285244712Surprisingly, it was a male Servant
>>285244740Lol yes. Only CN and NA get censored otherwise
>>285244704this is an impossible claim for you to make without knowing the context.
im downloading whispers of dawnwas it good? i havent check anything from fate in years
>>285243848Jester is actually one of the weaker DAs in the nasuverse
>>285244598So which 5th HGW Servant is Enkidu guaranteed to lose against? EMIYA?
>>285244698Emiya would just shoot the master from 20 miles awayHe's pretty heartless like that
>>285244146It was a bad matchup
>>285244774>spreading misinformation nearly every DA we have ever seen is doshit. Jester is meant to be one of the stronger ones. Just not DAA
>>285244774This guy is unironically stronger than Jester, by a considerable margin.
>>285244769It is good, but not nearly as good as episodes 1 and 2. The only cool characters to watch there are Dumas and Francesca (maybe Faldeus, I guess).
>>285244768There is no Servant in the Fifth War that can eliminate an entire Underworld. Not even Gilgamesh can do that. There is no one in that war who can defeat a fundamental primordial principle like Death or Pestilence.
>>285244169Think about how Narita makes references throughout FSFIs >omg kadoc referenceor >Its just someone related to him, no one importantMore likely?With even basic logic you know he means Kadoc, because the reference is meaningless otherwiseThe entire novel, every chapter in the novel, is just references towards other TM stories.
>>285244818Achievable natty?
>>285244769Serves as a good establishing point, but surprisingly these first couple episodes have been better, and people who have seen the third episode early say that one is even better. It's a Narita story so you're going to see just about all the characters in the movie, and then not see some of them for several episodes in the anime until their turn comes.
>>285244823Irrelevant. What makes you think that "eliminating an underworld" would be a necessary condition to beat Pale Rider? You are working in a field of unknowns
>>285244839Anything is possible with enough vampire steroids.
>>285244832Because Kadoc is a bit of a shitter so even with a conceptually effective magecraft makes little sense to hold such a major advantage. Their lineage isn't anything special, but it would make sense if his father/head of the family could do it though.
>>285244862Because either Pale Rider is a legitimate underworld, or it's larping as one. And if it's larping, then it's not a genuine Authority. It's either fake or it's real, you can't have it both ways.
>>285244774Jester is recognized as an elite vampire by Sigma and Flat, both of whom have had dealings with vampires before. Admittedly that's before Van Fem revokes his support.He shrugs off a servant trying to kill him with all her heart, it's not like that's a bad showing for anyone. Moreover, always remember that Jester's abilities are limited by the skin he's wearing, it's not until all five decoys are dead that Dorothea is going to raise hell with her real self.
>>285244794Maybe UBW cuts him off from Gaia
>>285244905Yeah but this was before Tsukihime R released. After that, I'd imagine Narita was sweating and going "Holy shit, what am I gonna do with Jester now?"
>>285244794Probably Artoria. Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish is an answer to Excalibur, Enkidu's Enuma Elish is not. Enkidu's is meant to protect and affirm the world, while Excalibur is the breath of the world itself; were I the author, Enkidu's Enuma Elish wouldn't even slow Excalibur down, it's a firewall trying to stop its own sysadmin.
>>285243615I just read this spoiler and understood nothing, but Rin is in this too? And Ishtar / Eresh? What the fuck?Also, are 13 episodes going to be enough to cover everything or how the hell do they plan on finishing all of this shit?
>>285244902Or, y'know, it's legitimate, and there's a means of defeating it. Do you understand how autistic it is to argue absolutes about a scenario you have near 0 fucking information on? Narita's statement is utterly lacking context. Stop talking out of your ass already.
>>285244940He can still give all the world breaking shit to Dorothea if he has a mood for that.
>>285244952FGO shit has poisoned everything, EVERYTHING.
Nothing in FSF is as bad as Miyu summoning the FSN Servants to beat the main villain for her while Illya was kicked out of the manga
>>285244806Holy sex...
>>285244952>13 episodes going to be enough to cover everything or how the hell do they plan on finishing all of this shit?They don't
People talking about power levels and here I am admiring the cute pairings.
anime fore redline in10 years
>>285244980>Prisma cast: "Oh no, it's hopeless, what can we do?">Miyu summons Charizard, Blastoise, Venusaur and Mewtwo who one-shot everything EZPZ
>>285244951No. Enkidu's counter in the 5th war would either be Emiya or Gilgamesh himself. Artoria holds no counter against him.>breath of the world itselfDoesn't mean what you think it does, and EE doesn't do that shit either. Enuma Elish is just a mass of magical energy that is used to transform enkidu into a construct. It is the advanced version of his transfiguration skill. It has an additional effect of sewing space together as the chains of heaven and striking against threats to humanity and the planet. That is all. He'd whack Saber the same way he'd fight a normal servant.Fate fandom and making shit up are a match made in hell.
>>285244990>They don'tThen where the fuck are they going to end it on? Surely there will be more seasons after, no?Surely, no?
Catching up on the novels people are right on how much clapbait moments they are in this series lol.
>>285242909Wait.Are Prelati's bodies homunculi he made himself or random corpses he hijacks?
>>285244952Imagine a giant crossover series where everyone appears. And everyone that doesn't appear gets mentioned offscreenBut not like FGO, different from FGO>>285244978This was created before FGOAbout 10 years before FGOThis was always Narita's style of writingIf anything FGO kinda ruined Narita's story idea, since now a lot of the "strange" aspects of the war are just "normal" these daysNarita always wanted to write the strangest grail war story ever with tons of crossovers that only someone who read every single TM story could ever hope to barely understand
>>285244998for me it's Sigma/Zealot
>>285244998
>>285245030Imagine the Jester NTR.It's actually Jester getting NTR'dSigma getting NTR'd is cool too.
>>285245020This currently one he made and has only used it or 3 years
>>285245020We don't know and anybody telling you it's either of them is wrong or lying
wasn't Narita mad that Edison showed up in FGO, because it meant that he had to retcon true berserker into being Huwawa?or was it just Enkidu showing up that pissed him off
>>285244998Ayaka is off as the protagonist of an otome visual novel while the cops are fighting for their lives against a vampire like 500 yards away or whatever the dimensions of the building are, it's great.
>>285245016>Doesn't mean what you think it does, and EE doesn't do that shit either. Enuma Elish is just a mass of magical energy that is used to transform enkidu into a construct. It is the advanced version of his transfiguration skill. It has an additional effect of sewing space together as the chains of heaven and striking against threats to humanity and the planet. That is all. He'd whack Saber the same way he'd fight a normal servant.Fucking hell anon, at least read the noble phantasm before you pretend to correct me. Enkidu is directly powered by the Counter Force to use Enuma Elish, and it's not any "additional effect", its power scales directly based on the hostility to the world it is facing. The same Counter Force that made Excalibur, a Last Phantasm made exclusively to protect and defend the world. Yes, I would bet money that it would fail.
Is there any actual reason for Sigma to be Maiya's rapebaby other than HEY REMEMBER FATE ZERO!1!1?
>killed the mother of the MC of the war where Gilkek gets jobbed out mid gamelol. lmao even.
>>285245087It wasn't a retcon. Huwawa was definitely always meant to play a role given how intrinsic she is to Enkidu's development. It's clear that Ishtar knew her as well when she first appeared. There are obvious retcons in SF but I don't believe anything related to Enkidu/Ishtar/Huwawa was. Now Alter Ego Gilgamesh is a dumb retcon for sure
>>285245087I mean with the fucking pace Narita works at could he really expect everyone else to put their shit on hold for him?
>Its a decade ago novel that is not finishedwait the novels are not even finished!?
>Be Narita >Use Gil >Take so long to write the novels Nasu already wrote two arc for Gil in the meanwhile (CCC and Babylonia)>Have to do something else with Gil instead since Nasu cucked you
>>285244980>>285245013The whole 3Rei arc has been dragging out so damn long I'm willing to take any out I can get
>>285245087No, that was a misunderstanding. Huwawa was always Huwawa, but he described it as lion-like as a joke to reference Edison.
Guys, I just got off the phone with Narita's parents' neigbor's dog and I know how Fate/strange fake is going to end.>Everything's gone to shit.>All hope is lost>It's actually revealed that this whole thing was actually a Singularity the whole time>Just then, at the very last minute, a new figure emerges>It's the protagonist of FGO>"I'm hear to put an end to this war.">TO BE CONTINUED IN FATE/GRAND ORDER: SPECIAL FATE/STRANGE FAKE COLLABORATION EVENTTrust me on this. I gave that dog like five Scooby Snacks last week.
>>285245099No, but Sigma doesn't have to be anyone. He's a dime a dozen child soldier grown up to be a dime a dozen mercenary. The point of him is to be a blank slate without wishes or faith, an empty vessel that can be filled.
>>285245018Probably But you need to hope that Narita bum ass actually finish the novels first
>>285245016No it, actually is much worse than you think it is, especially with the additional lore of how Age of Babylon works where it can recreate anything the planet has seen or whatever, even new technology.You're lying to make it sound super mundane when its actually much worse than that.>■ Enuma Elish: O Humans, Let Us Restrain The Gods Above>Rank: A++>Type: Anti-Purge Noble Phantasm>Range: 0~999>Maximum Targets: 1000 People>Ability of Enkidu's to transform its own body into a Divine Construct.>The Counter Forces known as Alaya and Gaia's powers flow into a keystone made of light. Then giant amounts of energy are transformed into a form that the world can recognize and pierces the opponent in one hit. In response to things that threaten the destruction of the planet or humanity, the power is increased.Enkidu Enuma Elish uses him as a weapon, that uses both the energy of Alaya and Gaia together at full power to destroy or protect anything based on how much of a threat to Gaia or Alaya the target is considered. Rin in FSF basically says Enkidu is stronger than any of the 5th war servants easily. Enkidu is the one servant that left Narita crying over making him "too broken", while Nasu kept shouting at him to not hold back.Thia showers the world with meteors and could destroy the planet, but Enuma Elish protected a majority of the planet due to Gaia backup Enkidu receives(some shit still got wiped out)EE covered like 1/4th of the Earth when facing Gilgamesh, and that's without receiving any backup from the planet since Gilgamesh isn't considered a real danger.
>>285245158>since Gilgamesh isn't considered a real dangerGilbros...
>>285245099Is there a reason? Yes, everything in the story has to be a reference to something else. Haruhi is the daughter of the guy made of bees that Kiritsugu's mother shot or something.
>>285245158Doesn't matter, someone in the Fifth War facetanks it and kicks Enkidu in the shins, EZPZ
>>285245096Oh for fucks' sake >Enkidu transforms its own body into a Divine Construct. Becoming a linchpin that converted vast amounts of energy to pierce and tie the target.This is the basic principle of how Enkidu was. Pours mana into the body or the environemnt to "create" something. His NP is pouring vast amounts of mana to make himself into something stronger. He can use a grail (Kingu) to do this if it had enough magical energy. He is able to take it from CF too, but you fucking know that the CF =/= Planet right? And it would have little to do with Excalibur? The CF didn't make Excalibur. The planet and its faeries did.And yes, it is an "additional effect" because almost fucking nothing on Earth is actually going to be a threat to humanity. Using your logic, EE would work on only 1% of the setting. In fact, FGO goes onto confirm that this threat to humanity clause can actually be locked depending on how Enkidu is summoned. FGO Enkidu didn't even have it until it was unlocked in the story of his second interlude,but he was using EE even before that. It is absolutely an additional effect.>Yes, I would bet money that it would fail.Then go bankrupt, I guess?
>>285245127CCC was out by the time strange fake was still just a joke
>>285245120you underestimate how petty and self-absorbed people, especially authors, can be
>>285245152So wait, this isn't actually finished?
>Me: "About Enkidu's stats, he has 'Transfiguration,' so I wanted to set his point total...">Nasu: "Hmm. He is Enkidu, and he's A rank, so all As.">Me: "All As!? But isn't that even higher than Berserker in the 5th!? Everyone's going to say, 'Heroic Spirit favoritism! He's a Mary Sue!'">Nasu: "Don't let it get to you.">Me: "But, I mean, all As is even higher than Karna.">Nasu: "Don't let it get to you.">Me: "To be honest, it's so high that even I think his stats are too exaggerated...">Nasu: "I said, don't let it get to you!">Me: "Eep!">Nasu: "If you think about it the other way, it's Nemes*s... All As is his base, and if he raises his strength to A+, another stat goes down two ranks...">Me: "What cool-headed and precise worldbuilding...!">Nasu: "And if... (etc., etc.)">The editorial supervision I received was along those lines. As a result, please consider that, as of book 1, Enkidu’s total stat points are hovering at “a little less than all As.” But if his Master, the silver wolf, completely recovers, then even all As aren’t just a dream. (The “etc., etc.” is still a secret.)A real conversation they had onceLittle did they know at the time that Transfiguration was the least of Enkidu's abilities
>>285245158See >>285245187>You're lying to make it sound super mundaneOnly if you can't read, I suppose? Because everything you just posted was already addressed in the very post you replied to.>Mana for construct>additional effect towards threats to planet or humanity
>>285245089Lol, I mean if she HAS to be a master whether she likes it or not, she might as well take advantage. It looks like she has an entire back tattoo of command seals... so, I mean technically she can make Richy do a lot.
>>285245226>Little did they know at the timethey are the authors.
>>285245224How familiar are you with Narita?
>>285245158>that uses both the energy of Alaya and Gaia together at full power to destroyEnkidu sure as hell doesn't use either energy at full power. He doesn't have a powerful enough vessel to withstand it and such a thing is never even implied either.
>>285245187Anon, the Counter Force is a subordinate of the world. It is an emanation of the world. And yes, a lot of things threaten the world and a decent number threaten humanity.Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish attacks the world, and that's one reason why Enkidu's counteracts it flawlessly, it's a repair tool.>Using your logic, EE would work on only 1% of the settingWhat I am saying is it'd work just fine on most everything, but it would fail utterly against faeries and elementals because they are what it is designed to protect. And Excalibur, essentially, is a fancy sword made out of faeries.
>>285245174To be fair destroying the planet is harder than destroying the timeline
I miss chuuni urban fantasy series...
It's all loopholes and affinities anyway. I'd imagine that it was actually Nasu who told Narita "Actually, the way his power works, he's pretty much useless against so-and-so from the Fifth War due to rock-paper-scissors shenanigans."
>>285243223How does Lu Bu count as Mongolian?
>>285245286You have Tsukihime until that gets driven into the ground in like a decade. And then Mahoyo never because Nasu will die before he finishes that one.
>>285245294he was born in Inner Mongolia
>>285245271>Tries to bullshit how arthuria can still win
I hope someone makes a team of Archer, Mordred, Prillya/Sitonai and Sigma when he inevitably gets to FGO as the FSF Welfare
>>285245226Enkekdu backed by the planet only surpasses Kariya nerfed Lancelot with Arondight by one rank in one single stat.A+A+A+A+A+vsA+A+A++BA+
>>285245271>Counter Force is a subordinate of the world...jesus.The counterforce is made by humanity and can oppose the world. CF is aligned with man and coincide with the planet is their goals align but they are not the same. That's why Arcueid, the planet, barely gives a fuck about humans.>Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish attacks the world, and that's one reason why Enkidu's counteracts it flawlessly, it's a repair tool.False. Enkidu's enuma elish counters Ea because it sews space together. EE doesn't repair the world. The chains of heaven specifically tie space, so a weapon that tears space specifically is negated. This would do fuck all to any random nuke that blew apart the terrain.>but it would fail utterly against faeries and elementalsExcept you're fucking wrong because it worked just fine on Gugalanna and Ishtar. Nowhere, anywhere, is it stated that it would fail against them. That is entirely your headcanon.
>>285245266It scales in proportion. He hasn't faced something requiring their full power. The only thing that ever might would be DAAs or Beasts. Unfortunately those are also the types of things that could tank Enuma Elish on the chin, so Enkidu's kinda not Grand Servant material.
>>285245226>Karna being mentioned as a top tierThings sure have gone crazy since then
>Enkidu has a counter in the fifth war>This totally is not Gilgamesh, the guy who matches Enkidu canonically>It also totally isn't Emiya, the guy who has a reality marble that can cut off Enkidu's connection to the planet (see 80% of his abilities) and can project just as many weapons>It's not Herc, the guy who has canonically shattered the chains of heaven>/a/ says it's Artoria, the bitch with a beam that she may not even get to fireReally?
>>285245226>Mary sue So they consider Enkidu a women huh.
>>285245286This war started with Enkidu vs Gilgamesh, so that you would know everything would only get crazier from there. The concept of this grail war is>What if absolutely no one involved in it cared about keeping magic a secret, and the entire thing just kept getting more fucked up as it went along because America built the grail wrong
>>285244998GIWTWN
>>285245390I'd actually say it's probably not Emiya. I feel like claiming that Enkidu would insta-lose against any opponent just because they have a Reality Marble is severely underselling him. That would imply that even Nursery Rhyme would crush him.
>>285242069lucky fucker
>>285245332>The counterforce is made by humanityAlaya is made by humanity and Gaia is made by the planet. Both are counter forces.>That's why Arcueid, the planet, barely gives a fuck about humans.And yet Gaia made a squirrel to kill all humans if it came to that.>Enkidu's enuma elish counters Ea because it sews space together. EE doesn't repair the world. Anon, please. Read your own words and realize how silly you are sounding. It doesn't repair the world, it just repairs the world? Jesus christ man, sewing the space together IS repairing the sword of rupture's damage.>This would do fuck all to any random nuke that blew apart the terrain.Nukes don't damage the world in the slightest. Only Anti-World attacks damage the world.>it worked just fine on Gugalanna and IshtarWho are not faeries nor elementals nor executives of the world. Please, read the post you are trying to retort.
>>285245451>Your cock is too small Richard
>>285245390Why would it be Gil? He doesn't counter Enkidu, they're equal. He is also from the 4th war in FSN, not the 5th.
>>285245431It depends on Emiya's condition. Emiya doesn't have to fight alone, but he routinely does. Imagine Emiya partnering up with Rin properly and getting a command spell boost for a decent shot. I don't think you understand the disadvantage Enkidu can have. Without access to the planet's backup, he legitimately cannot use Enuma Elish. He can't even rely on AoB because that also needs the Earth for him to shape powerful weapons from. And generic chains and spears or swords can be countered by UBW. In terms of pure ability, UBW is a better counter to Enkidu than it is to Gilgamesh, on-paper. Enkidu would be forced to rely on his brain, his stats, and his regeneration. And against a skilled servant with a top-tier master, that might not be enough. Enkidu's master does fuck all.
>>285245467He was still an active participant. For instance, if we were talking about Fate/Apocrypha instead, would you deliberately exclude Amakusa from the conversation just because he was initially summoned in the Third War?
>>285245391It's fate so nobody knows.
>>285245390>that can cut off Enkidu's connection to the planet (see 80% of his abilities)You probably think Emiya can beat Arcruied in a fightEnkidu's powers aren't just Alaya, he has a lot of abilities, he doesn't requite a connection with Gaia to do anything, he has almost too many powers. And unlike Gilgamesh, Enkidu is quite serious, he's rather unhinged as well. Gilgamesh prepares an auto defense NP all war because he admits his friend might launch a surprise attack against him at any time as a joke. In Gilfest Gilgamesh doesn't want to partner with Enkidu in battle on the offchance Enkidu gets so hyped up he decides to backstab Gilgamesh, he'll do it with an entirely innocent smile as well. Its not that he's evil or crazy, he just doesn't have human logic from the start, he seems peaceful but he's rather chaotic at times. Enkidu vs Richard is all about how they're both slightly unhindged and keep trying to kill each other.When Gugulanna is destroying the world Enkidu shoots it with a harpoon and tries dragging it down. His mud can become anything in creation that he feels like, not just weapons.
>>285244806absolute pure sex appeal
>>285245525Can’t wait for Enkidu vs Richard what episode is that gonna be?
let caster win a holy grail for once godammit
>>285245252I know nothing. I'm just here because it's Fateshit.
>>285245504It's iffy imo
Even more S T Y L E than casino Gil.
>>285245525Also he can control nature, not that its really mentioned in his stat sheet anywhere. The forest moves around on his whims.
Enkidu's basically just Proto-Arcueid.
>>285245438>Alaya is made by humanity and Gaia is made by the planet. Both are counter forces.Correct, and guess which is the one Enkidu gets power from initially?>It doesn't repair the world, it just repairs the world? ....Are you genuinely stupid? Do you understand the difference between negating a specific type of damage and actually repairing an object? EE counters Ea specifically using the chains of heaven. CoH sew space on whatever it is they touch, that is why teleportation is normally not a viable means of escaping it. It is specifically designed to counter Ea because Enkidu is designed to counter Ea. That does not give it a specific function of repairing the world. If Excalibur nuked a city, what the fuck is EE supposed to do to "repair" that. Nothing at all, because it doesn't have that kind of ability. You're reaching for the stars.>Only Anti-World attacks damage the world.Shut the fuck up.Anti-world attacks don't damage the world. Anti-world attacks target the laws of the world. An attack that would actually scar the planet is something designed to anti-planet.>Who are not faeries nor elementals >A divine spirit and divine beast is not an elementalOkaaaay, we're done here. You're an actual fucking idiot who got all your information from a wikipediaFor the peanut gallery, use this as a reference to never listen to what some clown on a board tells you. Always ask for a citation to educate yourselves.
>>285245557Mikon?
>>285245006Okita sex
Surely we haven't reached retard levels so high we are arguing Enkidu losing to fucking Emiya
I'm sure they could come up with some sort of loophole. Like say that Excalibur is recognized as an authority of the planet and Enkidu is programmed to be unable to see it as an enemy. Come to think of it, how would Enkidu fare against Arcueid? Would Arcueid just be able to shut him down remotely as the Brain of the Planet?
>>285245568Yeah of course gaia favorite son can control nature
>>285245557The two mega gays, Solomon and Marisbury, already won.
>>285245525>You probably think Emiya can beat Arcruied in a fightSure I would, if Nasu didn't confirm that Arcueid has enough power and control over the planet to blow reality marbles up from the outside. Nice false equivalence.>he doesn't requite a connection with Gaia to do anythingUhuh.Explain to me exactly what these powers are. Tell me where his abilities come from.>Enkidu shoots it with a harpoon That he used via AoB. AoB that requires energy from the planet. Energy that has been cut off via reality marble.
>>285245612
>>285245648I don't think the brain can just turn off the kidneys or lungs because it "felt like it". All organs in the body are independent.
So is Richard's fake Excalibah on the same level as Gil's / Enkidu's Gate of Babylon weapons or is it more powerful?
>>285245438>Who are not faeries nor elementalsAll divine spirits are elementals. What are you talking about?
>>285245643Well it's no less silly than him losing to Artoria, that's for sure.
>>285241889The idea that a man or a woman can mentally become or be the other gender is transgender propaganda.
>>285245712Depends on the medium, but it can go as far as an A+ Anti-Army beam. Despite being labeled as "Excalibur", my guess it it doesn't actually have any of the properties of the real Excalibur, meaning it probably doesn't actually count as a divine construct or holy sword. So even at full power, it probably can't pierce Achilles' flesh either. It's a sword created entirely from delusion, so I feel like it wouldn't make sense for it to have any holy properties whatsoever.
>>285245712I wouldn't really call it his main ability■ Lionheart: AA skill that embodies the name lionheart. That fearless courage transformed into a skill. Inspires fear and wariness in enemies and raises the morale of allies.■ Master of All Trades: ADerived from anecdotes of Richard displaying prowess in a wide variety of fields, including the martial arts, fine arts, and romance. Skills he took an interest in in life are B-class or higher, and he learns new skills with extraordinary speed.■ Superhuman Speed: AA talent marked into Richard’s Spirit Origin by the rapid marches of his armies and his lightning swiftness on the battlefield. Richard’s agility increases the longer he remains in battle.Noble Phantasms■ Excalibur: Ever-Distant Sword of VictoryRank: D–A+A Mystery that Richard obtained in life as a result of his adoration of Arthurian legend and his efforts to live as its successor. Its power became a Noble Phantasm by merging with accounts that he named every weapon he held “Excalibur.” Richard is able to wield any and all weapons he holds as Excalibur. Its power varies from weapon to weapon, but never equals the genuine “holy sword of the planet”—not even if he were to hold the real Excalibur.■ Rounds of Lionheart: Play the Lion on the Round CrossRank: AA Noble Phantasm that uses Richard’s Spirit Origin as a catalyst to materialize individuals he had ties to in life as servants, followers, guides, etc. The number he is able to summon varies depending on his Master’s supply of magical energy and the land he is summoned in. He is capable of summoning individuals recorded in the Throne as Heroic Spirits, but in that case, they will materialize in a weaker state than if summoned normally. They sometimes assist Richard, but because actually continuing to materialize them consumes an enormous quantity of magical energy, it is almost impossible to utilize them like ordinary Heroic Spirits.
>>285245438>Only Anti-World attacks damage the world.Ars Almadel Salomonis can do more damage to the world than Gilgamesh could dream of. It is an anti-humanity NP, not anti-world.
>>285243848Not even close to them one bit. Even disregarding the inherent disparity between Fate worlds DAs and Tsukihime ones, Vlov is a DAA which already puts him like 3 to 4 ranks above Jester, while Michael is arguably the Strongest non Ancestor DA even if he's technically a Rank 6 DA.
>>285245602>Correct, and guess which is the one Enkidu gets power from initially?Explicitly both. Stated both. From Enkidu's profile: "The Counter Forces known as Alaya and Gaia's powers flow into a keystone made of light.">Do you understand the difference between negating a specific type of damage and actually repairing an object?Are you seriously trying to get into this kind of whiny ass semantics to elude how silly you are?>If Excalibur nuked a city, what the fuck is EE supposed to do to "repair" that.Nuking a city doesn't damage the world.>Anti-world attacks don't damage the world. Yes they do. Wow, it's almost like that's what they're made to do.>An attack that would actually scar the planet Does not matter at all. "Scarring" is you moving the goalposts, faggot. Damage in the moment is still damage, and still something for Enuma Elish (Enkidu) to react against. It does not have to care about the damage being permanent. I don't know why you think it would.>A divine spirit and divine beast is not an elementalIshtar is not a divine spirit in Strange Fake, she's just a lingering curse. Gugalanna is a Divine Beast, a different kind of entity entirely. Definitely not elementals as they are.
>>285245712When he swipes one of Gil's swords during GoB and uses it for an excalibur it's a lot stronger than he expected because it's an exemplary sword. However even theoretically if he had the real Excalibur he would not be able to use it as powerful as the true owner.
Is that Ado Edem guy still part of the Nasu wild ride? How they capture him if so strong? And why?
>>285245716Divine spirits do not exist in the modern era, and Ishtar is no exception. The thing calling itself Ishtar was just a curse playing her role, anon.
>>285245804Ishtar is a divine spirit. She fully reclaims her divinity. Her not being a divine spirit was some semantics that Alcides came up with, but from the get go, everyone recognizes her as a goddess.
>>285245763It's so inconsistent and difficult to max out that it's not even his NP in FGO. In FGO, his Noble Phantasm is Utopie Purgatoire, which appears to be a combination of Lionheart (Godspeed) and Rounds of Lionheart. His Excalibur is just a normal attack.
>>285245837Divine Spirits absolutely do exist in the modern era and can be summoned in the modern era. Ishtar is indeed a divine spirit in Strange Fake. I will ask you for a citation for these claims.
>>285245838She needed the holy grail to "fully reclaim her divinity".
>>285245828No, not really. Notes is still kind of a what-if that Nasu doesn't want to bring up.
>>285245828>Him Also you need to wait until nasu bother to deal the land of steel timeline ending
>>285245821The cap is A+ Anti-Army. So that'd put it roughly on the same level as Galatine.
>>285242703I don't really see the censorship
>>285245398I meant in general, not this series specifically
>>285245828Black Barrel is still a major part of lore and that originated in Notes and MHXX NP is basically Slash Emperor but that's all you're getting for now, vague iykyk references.
>>285245882Thanks>>285245897Is a girl???
>>285245855(Me)>>285245837Adding onto this because I don't care for going in circles>Unbelievably enough, that Assassin’s Noble Phantasm was challenging a Divine Spirit oneven grounds.Ishtar is specifically a divine spirit, and it is because she was categorized as one, that a god-slaying arrow had the conceptual effect of killing her. Alcides also decides to make her his enemy because he has recognized that she is a divine spirit, with real authorities. As for Gugalanna, a divine-beast, specifically in his case, is nature itself, and equal to law in the world, as Ishtar stated. It is functionally no different from a god itself. In fact, I'm pretty sure Gugalanna was called a god, but I'd need to find that source
>>285245828>How they capture him if so strong?Think of him as being a video game character who has insanely high single target dps and can destroy the strongest bosses in seconds, but has no means of dealing with giant waves of fodder enemies.>And why?Big scare collateral damage, his stunt against Type Jupiter nuked an entire continent.
>>285245949Until they make a V/V that falls in love with Guda
>>285245861No, she did not. The holy grail did nothing for her. What she needed was a temple, a worshipper, and Gugalanna. Anon, cite your source. Why does it even matter again? She is a divine spirit, regardless.
>>285245949>MHXXVery cute I like>>285245969>Think of him as being a video game character who has insanely high single target dps and can destroy the strongest bosses in seconds, but has no means of dealing with giant waves of fodder enemies.I appreciate explanation
>>285245971I have an oath that I will spend $1000 on Grand Order if we get Foreigner V/V.
>>285244951Using this logic, Excalibur wouldn't work on Enkidu either. Since Enkidu is a creation of the planet and a pseudo-elemental himself.
>>285246035And if she comes with Godo like Oryou and Ryoma?
>>285246135Richard won.
>>285246052Excalibur almost never gets its true factors activated. It's only done that to Sefar and ORT. It also wouldn't need to, the normal laser beam mode wipes out servants like nothing and doesn't care what it's aimed at.
>>285246252I mean, the same can be said for Enkidu
>Richard: Lancer! Assassin!>R: Check it out!>R: Seal Eight - Decision Start!!>R: Loxley!>R: [falsetto] Approved.>R: Pierre!>R: [falsetto] Approved.>R: William!>R: [falsetto] Approved.>R: This is a battle to save the world!!>R: Richard. [falsetto] Approved.>R: Ex... caliburrrr!!! (Sword of Perpetually Distant Victory)>R: I tried to do an introduction of my own.>R: Well? Was it cool?>Zealot: [aside] That's a total rip-off.>Z: He's just a fan, but can use the same Noble Phantasm. Doesn't he seem a little odd?>Enkidu: [clapping]>E: Still, I think that it's something which he'd never be able to achieve by just practicing!
>>285241889>both mentally ill schizo abominationswhat did narita mean by this?
>>285241889So ia this shit gonna pul an Akame Ga Kill? We all know Narita ain't ending this in the next 10 years so what will they do for the ending?
>>285245030Would you convert to Islam for a zealot wife?
how strong is my girl quetz? only watched the anime and she lhad a couple of scenes in which she looked pretty cool
>>285246657She's got one real good hit in her if she is willing to invoke her Authority and explode. Admittedly; that "good hit" is psychotic overkill for a grail war and will probably kill you and everyone else in 500 miles.Otherwise she's just a run of the mill high spec servant without many tricks.
>>285245075Sorry anon I went to the showing last month and she said the current body was 3 years old
>>285246718>will probably kill youmy ancestor never forgets her traditions
>>285246657In Strange Fake, she'd be one of the strongest, if not the strongest
>>285246777Yes, because Touko caught up with him one last time between reactivating Filia and reaching Snowfield.However, that is not an answer. We have no idea what the matter is between Prelati bodies. That fact does not tell us.
>>285246507>fsf finally getting art outside gilkidu this is what i want to see
>>285245903Some gooner anons got bothered by the fact that they added metallic strings to her crotch plate. And that's it. That's why most FGO players don't mind the "modifications" to her design. Lip was the one who got the most drastic changes to her design, though.
Why isn't zealot hassan a purple haired shitskin like the rest of them.
>>285246947She's not a true HassanRead the story
>>285246947She isn't a Hassan, didn't earn the tan.
>>285246947Because she's immature. Her hair will turn purple when she's 25.
How tiny are Melt's nipples?
>>285246946in fairness lip's original design is fucking retarded because they didn't want to include the areolas because of the age rating
>>285246978She still presumably from the same clan/region as them.
>>285246946Never noticed how large Bb's bbs became
>>285247004it's more like art progression
>>285246990Or she just has small nipples, deal with it.
B.B. was the best thing that ever happened to Sakura.And then Kama happened.
>>285246990The comparison to Smash Ultimate's Mythra isn't a stretch. Some prefer Lip's censored design.>>285247004BB Dubai's are even bigger, for some reason.
>>285246885I'd rather watch a long OVA of Prelati getting wrecked the fucked out by different people though history full guro is there a company that can do this?
>>285247040She's an AI. She can make her mammaries as massive as she wants.
>>285247025that's physiologically impossible, nipple size increases proportionally to breast size
>>285247059>that's physiologically impossiblePassionlip's breasts are not a product of any physiological process, BB was just hitting random numbers in her chargen.
>>285245391>taking a localization at face valuePathetic
>>285247047>She can make her mammaries as massive as she wants.Truly a rival to the great one of the manyuu clan...
>>285247089well small nipples on large breasts look really stupid so thereI don't care that japs think smaller nipples look "cuter"
>>285247118Anon I love her she is my wife butPassionlip looks really stupid.
>>285247059I've seen enough photos of naked women to know that's not always the case
Is there a yaoi guy out there with big enough hands to handle Lip's tits?
>>285247154Big Hands Hans
hory shit
>>285247249>5-starlol
>>285247249>kills you in her intro dialogue >your account is deleted
>>285247154
>>285247276>she sees your Hassan gang
Lowkey, assassins are a bunch of bums who shouldn't even be participating in a fucking battle royale. Their one thing is assassination and they don't even do any of that and fight like any other servant.
>>285247386The Grail War was never meant to be fair and balanced.In fact, the seven classes were never meant to be "grail warring".
>>285246108The new fanart just keeps on cumming.
How much longer until the Cia just starts drone striking masters?
I'm honestly surprised faldeus or whatever didn't have Ayaka put down while she was in jail
>>285242322What, make them bigger?
>>285247500Faldeus and Orlando are in cahoots, but Orlando doesn't answer to him directly. Moreover, this is still before everything had gone completely off the rails, they still were concerned about dealing with Gilgamesh and Enkidu as opponents. A potential ally should not be discarded so casually.
what would it be like having jeanne as a servant?
>>285243869>>285244338>>285244774>>285245798Alright but what about Noel,Is she stronger or weaker in comparison as a DA?
>>285247500>>285247563Adding to what this guy said the False War isFaldeus and Co. running the show at a macro level and not recruiting anyoneOrlando running the operations on the ground in the city and grabbing Fake CasterFrancesca on tech support and making the shitty offbrand grail war functionA bunch of rogue mages grabbing Fake Assassin, Fake Lancer, Fake Archer, Fake Berserker, and Fake Rider which immediately went off the rails when Jester was the only one to actually get their servant and he was secretly a DA.After that the real collaborators kick off the second war with Saber and Archer getting summoned by the magic mafia, CIA trying to grab Assassin and Lancer, Francesca grabbing Caster and Berserker, and Rider getting stolen from the intended Master.Obviously there were a bunch of side deals and immediate betrayals between Cops, CIA, and Francesca.
>>285247276Let's be fair here, if we summon her, Grand Azrael is likely standing right behind us menacingly, ready to slit Olga's throat.
>>285247739Did they leave Orlando out of the loop regarding the real/fake plan, or was he actually dumb enough to think he was going to win with one of the fakes?
>>285243547>Actually, King Arthur was super awesome and the best king everShe constantly gets wanked as the perfect King. Even Morgan says this.
>>285248077I'm not even sure Orlando has a wish lined up. He was just going by the protocol: real or fake or really fake, the servants had to fight so that the "Grail War Recreation" gets as much data as possible for the next one.
Since anime skips so much, and will have to continue skipping, maybe the El-Melloi classroom wank will get cut in half.
>>285248077The Fakes do have the advantage of getting to ignore all the restrictions that the real wars have regarding heroic spirits which is why it was able to pull in stuff like Enkidu and Fake Rider but yeah Orlando pretty obviously didn't get the full story since he's the only member of the plan in the city when they start summoning servants.
>>285244390>He is the conceptual incarnation of "disease", the Death that rides upon men and beasts and wind and water. His name is Death, and he is the fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse
>>285245027did extra come out before or after this? cuz i'd argue that's much weirder
>>285248214>The Fakes do have the advantage of getting to ignore all the restrictionsreally? where's this said?
>>285248214Most of those "restrictions" just exist due to the limitations of the Holy Grail. It's not as if there's a specific rule that Holy Grails can't summon divine spirits, they just literally can't do that. They don't have the juice for it. It's like trying to take a Glock and trying to force it to fire shotgun slugs. It can't do it, it's literally not built for it.There ARE some legitimate restrictions, like not typically allowing Masters to summon Extra Classes, but on paper, a Holy Grail shouldn't fundamentally be capable of summoning something like the Horsemen of the Apocalypse simply because you're trying to make a pitcher expel enough water to fill an ocean.
>>285242543King Hassan's problem with the Hassans is that they're just scrubs who chase gimmicks instead of just doing the job of killing the target.KH's policy and modus operandi is to just go straight to the target and do what's necessary to kill them. Most of the time this means he will walk up to the target and cut their neck. No gimmicks, no hassle. With an exceptional target like Tiamat, he sets things up so that she becomes killable. With the Lahmu in the anime, since cutting them doesn't work, he eats them even if it's weird because only the job matters. The other Hassans when faced with such roadblocks will just break down or go "oh no I can't do it it's impossible!" and then give up or die trying, and that's what KH really disapproves of.So for KH, he sees Cursed Arm grafting on a demon arm to kill and he's like, wtf you doing, why do you need a demon to kill people? Fucking moron. He somewhat conveys that message to Cursed Arm in Camelot at the end, where Cursed Arm decides he's unfit and needs to retire. So KH kills the demon instead of Cursed Arm. When he asks why he didn't go for the neck, KH replied that since the demon was the one doing the killing, the demon was the real "Cursed Arm Hassan" that needed to be killed for retirement. It's a little touching and KH clearly spared Cursed Arm but it also comes with the message that Cursed Arm was doing it wrong the whole time. And you can tell he has similar issues with all the other Hassans who do things weird or have weird ideas about the job.
>>285248555No, that's not it. What he's critical of is the fact that they keep sacrificing more than they should, and end up being unable to deal with those sacrifices. Cursed Arm didn't want to die a nobody, so he grafted a demon's arm to himself. Problem is, this meant that what made him special came from something completely external; he himself wasn't seen as anything special. So he became known as the most mediocre Hassan. Not just that, but because individual Hassans don't leave their names behind in history, he became just another one of nineteen, leaving behind no meaningful legacy. This is why his wish in the Fifth War was to reclaim his name, essentially admitting that his sacrifice wasn't worth it. Hassan of Serenity made herself the most poisonous being in existence. But this also made her extraordinarily lonely, unable to touch anyone. She ultimately became unable to withstand her own loneliness, and nearly sold out her secrets to a target for a desperate bid for intimacy, resulting in King Hassan showing up and killing her.Hassan of the Hundred Personas was born with DID, and chose to aggravate his condition to the absolute extreme in order to become a Hassan. Their wish for the Grail was to converge all their personalities into a single core identity, again, completely rendering all their sacrifices worthless.THESE are the reasons why King Hassan is so critical of them. They made extreme sacrifices to become the Old Men of the Mountain, only to realize too late that their sacrifices weren't worth it. He can only treat them with absolute disappointment because these chucklefucks were too stupid to realize what they were getting into before achieving it.
is richard a better pick for a grail war than siegfried?
>>285248714Absolutely not. Richard only performs so well because Ayaka is a genuine freak. Normally he can't use Excalibur 200 times in a fight, you know. Or manifest additional servants from his shadow.Meanwhile Siegfried is well past the higher end of average, sitting at Round Table quality and having exceptional defense in particular. He's got a weak point and that sucks, but so long as you're not fighting Paris or something it's not like he leaves his back open much.
>>285248714Nah. Siegfried is legit the better choice for a typical Holy Grail War. Even on the off chance someone has an Anti-Dragon ability or NP, it doesn't necessarily mean it's an instant-loss for him. There are very few Servants that would survive a hit from his NP anyway. Siegfried is pretty top-tier even without his invuln.That said, there are some mysteries concerning Richard. We still don't really understand what his lion form in FGO is all about.
>>285248555I think that's reading too much into it. He was merciless over what he perceived as lapses in ability, but he wasn't literally asking them to just walk in a straight line to the target or to do their job without any sort of special technique. That would be impossible most of the time for anyone but him.It's said that he appeared whenever a Hassan went astray or declined. If they were doing it wrong from the start, he could have ganked them at the start.
>>285248714Depends on the version of Richard
>>285248760Take a careful look at what he says to each Hassan, particularly Serenity and Hundred Personas:>Hmm, Serenity. What purpose did thy poisoned body serve? Solitude, unfit to protect even the flowers of the field? Fool. Bare thy neck.>Hmm, Hundred Personas. What did thy wisdom beyond reckoning buy thee? A hundred souls vying for a single truth? Fool. Bare thy neck.If you can't handle the power you're cultivating, don't try to get it to begin with. Cursed Arm wanted to become a Hassan, only to realize it wasn't what he wanted. So why the fuck did he become a Hassan to begin with? If you can't handle it, don't do it. King Hassan never told anyone to follow in his footsteps, but they did it anyway. His logic is that he didn't care if anyone followed after him, but if you're gonna use his name, you'd better fucking do a proper job. If he never took on his name, then he wouldn't be criticizing them. If the Hashashin never existed, if the "Old Men of the Mountain" didn't take on his name, then he wouldn't be beheading them.The important thing to realize is that while King Hassan is referred to as the "founder", he didn't deliberately found the religious sect of the Hashashin. A bunch of people admired his way of life and sought to emulate him. And they kept doing it wrong over and fucking over.
>>285248714In HGW, pick:1) someone extremely mana efficient or who can get it themselves2) someone who doesn't have a schizo personality3) someone who you get along with and who won't fight you every step of the wayThe thing that stands out to me is the fact that NP like Rounds of Lionheart is extremely mana heavy. So unless you are in Chaldea, you probably can't get good use out of him.
>>285245027>This was created before FGO>About 10 years before FGOFSF first volume was released 6 months before FGO's release, (January 10, 2015 while FGO was July 30 later that year) and the release of volume 4 was purposefully delayed so that Narita could look at how Nasu wrote Enkidu in Babylon in order to not break character when writing it in FSF Nasu never told him it wasn't Enkidu until the release of Babylon.
>>285248851Rounds of Lionheart goes completely unused in FGO. His Noble Phantasm Utopie Purgatoire does appear to summon some unknown knights to charge alongside him, but they don't appear to be any of the members of the Round.
>>285241889How would Cu perform in this war? Honestly, most of 5th war servants seem like jobbers compared this despite the want. Alciedes gets STRONGER despite losing his divinity.
>>285249056Cu is a worthless bitch that'd get destroyed
>>285248760>I think that's reading too much into it.>If they were doing it wrong from the start, he could have ganked them at the start.I wasn't saying he's a rigid perfectionist who demands perfection from the start. He's not that kind of strict overseer. However he did want them to not get waylaid by pointless distractions and pursuits that were irrelevant to the job, which ultimately led to them failing or giving up.Serenity's a good example because she met her end because she couldn't bring herself to kill her last target because she wanted a life with him that she could not have. This was an issue not because of her faith or background, but because she made having a super poisonous body her way of killing. She couldn't undo it, she couldn't turn it off, she couldn't follow through with the job, and she couldn't betray everyone back home, so she chose to give up and accept death. That's the other thing about KH "ganking" the other Hassans. He doesn't show up and kill you because you fucked up once, he shows up because, from what we can tell, each of the Hassans decided it was over and asked for KH to come give them death at his hands.>That would be impossible most of the time for anyone but him.That's why they're scrubs :^)Nobody made them live the Assassin life. But he will judge them if they take up the mantle.Also as a side note, I think Zealot ironically might be the one who had the best idea on how to approach the job until she got side-tracked with the endless amounts of self-doubt and autism. KH's advice to her would probably amount to "believe in the you that believes in yourself, who gives a fuck about what others say or approve, even other Hassans? Do what you think is best".>>285248696I feel like we're describing the same thing with different words, and are mostly agreeing with each other.
>>285249056They'd be able to take care of themselves but they would be average
>>285249076My point is that he doesn't care how you do it, but you need to do it right. Frankly speaking, in this world, you do need some sort of extraordinary trump card. This is a world filled with magic, monsters and superhumans. Something comparable to a Zabaniya WOULD be necessary to become a supreme assassin in a world like this. But if you're gonna obtain a Zabaniya, you damn well better fucking be capable of handling it.So your line here>So for KH, he sees Cursed Arm grafting on a demon arm to kill and he's like, wtf you doing, why do you need a demon to kill people? Fucking moronI disagree with this premise completely. I believe that if a Hassan obtained a Zabaniya and didn't come to regret it at the end of their life, then he'd have no issue with them.
>>285249056Alcides only seems to get stronger because most of his opponents are chumps. He seems to do better against Gilgamesh because Gilgamesh is deliberately lowering himself to his level. He'd get his ass kicked by King Arthur or Cu Chulainn.
>>285249135>Gilgamesh is deliberately lowering himself to his levelShit Giltards say
>>285249135As a Gilfag, I have to call bs
>>285249056>Alciedes gets STRONGER despite losing his divinity.He explicitly doesn't. And Cu would get stomped, he was low-tier even in the Fuyuki war.
>>285249165He's deliberately testing the limits of the Nemean Pelt, using all sorts of weapons just to see what its upper limits are. If he wanted to crush him outright, he'd just use a bunch of divine constructs instead, or Gae Bolg's ability to target the heart no matter what.
>>285249188He's not deliberately testing it, he's actually tactically employing NP's to bypass it and do damage in their second fight. And you're going full retard by pretending most of GoB isn't shot down by Nine Lives in return by Alcides.
>>285249180>he was low-tier even in the Fuyuki war.>stronger than rider caster assassin archer and potentially sabercalling him low tier is disingenuous
Alcides is a villain whose only purpose is to lose to legitimate heroes. He will never win a Holy Grail War, he will never defeat a true hero, and he will never, ever get his wish granted. That's his entire narrative purpose.
>>285249232>Stronger than Medusano>Stronger than MedeaBarely>Stronger than AssassinEveryone is in every war>Stronger than ArcherWho's not a real hero>Potentially SaberNopeSo he's stronger than literal whos, with Medea being debatable since she's apparently one of the greatest witches ever, and weaker than actually famous heroes or monsters. That's pretty low-tier for the 5th.
>>285249242Bravo anon you just discovered that water is wet. Almost as if the narration itself points that out when Divine Herc pops up in volume 9 and mocks Alcides to his face.
>>285247737She sucks.
If Narita were to write a story where Berserker Herc fought Alcides, Berserker would still win. Don't pretend, don't make excuses, you know this is exactly what he'd do. He'd have Alcides hit Berserker with an arrow dipped in Hydra poison, and Berserker would somehow "miraculously" survive despite it eating through all of his stocks of lives, and he'd deliver a finishing blow to Alcides, just like how he "miraculously" managed to break the Chains of Heaven even though he shouldn't be able to.Fuck man, maybe I should change my name to Narita, this shit's easy.
If DAs are conceptually immune to NPs used by living humans but not Servants (which I presume is meant to specifically screw with people like Gray and Bazett), what about Servants like FSN Saber who is the actual living King Arthur summoned as a Servant? Or FGO pseudo Servants with the "living human" trait like Reines, Waver, Ishtar etc? Or Demi Servants like Mashu?
>>285249056>jobbersOther than Emiya and Cursed Arm, every other servant is pretty much top Tier in their own right, You have fucking King Arthur, Herakles at the top, but Medusa and Medea are also fucking busted. Medea in particular is often underestimated, but Magic from the age of Gods is super OP in the Nasuverse. Cu was also misused: he is a top tier servant the strongest hero of the celts . Kojiro is also really good because sword autism.They seem weaker because all of them had incompetent masters and even Kirei fucked up multiple times
>>285249293>"miraculously"It's Heracles you retarded subhuman, his whole concept is doing what is thought to be impossible. And Alcides would easily clear zerk Herc. But if the match-up was Alcides vs Archer Herc then Archer Herc would stomp, because he's the real hero and true owner of all the NP's and skills.
>>285249251>no>Dream Battle - Rider vs. Lancer >Nasu-san CHECK!The two boasting the most outstanding speed in the game. Rider, able to move like a bullet and race around the battle field vs Lancer, able to counter attackers with a lance with the speed of gods, while standing still. In average speed, Rider is faster, but in immediate maximum output, Lancer will win. While Rider has several different types of Noble Phantasms, Lancer also has protective ability from rune sorcery, hence counter measures from her mystic eyes. Against an expert monster exterminator like Lancer, one who has a monster alignment such as Rider might seem to be in for a tough fight....!? So yeah he's stronger.>Potentially SaberYeah, none of their fights have a definitive conclusion. And if you have to cope by going "doesn't count" when Lancer is stronger than more than half of the grail war, he is by definition not low tier
>>285249318Nope. You're thinking about this too logically. You're not putting yourself in Narita's shoes, thinking like Narita, writing like Narita. Narita would never let Nasu's Berserker Herk lose to his own Evil Herk. It's completely impossible. There is a less than 0% chance Narita would ever write a scenario where Alcides would beat any version of Herakles, including Berserker.
>Cu is low tier ACK
>>285249331>Rider might seem to be in for a tough fight>So yeah he's stronger.I don't know how you got that conclusion from there, but it's clearly worded in favor of Rider winning with the final statement.
>>285249352>Cu is strong>Look at this manga panel where God Hand clearly doesn't exist so he can do damage in the first placeKEK
>>285249357Bro what? He's clearly saying her tricks won't work and Cu has the definite advantage.
>>285249293And here's a prediction:When Narita finally writes the Fate/strange Fake event in FGO, he'll have Berserker Herc fight Alcides. And Berserker will win. Herc won't even have God Hand here (since he never has it when under your control).
>>285249385>Rider might seem to be in for a tough fightHe's saying that even with all of Cu's natural counter to her, Medusa still has the upper hand and is the greater party in the fight. If it were different he'd be saying "Lancer might seem to be in for a tough fight"
>>285249412Yeah you're delusional. He's all but saying lancer is gonna win this fight. You also didn't mention the fight that Lancer is stronger than several other servants of the 5th and is thus by definition cannot be low tier by the 5th standards.
>>285249446>He's all but saying lancer is gonna win this fight.>when his closing statement is that it MIGHT be tough for RiderKEK
Cu's spear is undodgeable btw.
>>285249466I accept your concession
>>285249493And get some reading comprehension classes along with it while you're at it
>>285249242>Alcides is a villain whose only purpose is to lose to legitimate heroesis that why he keeps winning?
>>285243678It's Nasu's own fault. He goes through and does all the FGO bullshit servants, and then says the 5th war servants are the best.Logically speaking they are not, Nasu just thinks FSN is better so he says nobody else is allowed to actually be better. Which leads to endless one-upping and 5th war wank.
>>285249276Oh she sucks alright
>>285249522He's only successfully defeated Jack the Ripper. Ishtar defeated Gilgamesh. Everyone else is still alive.
>>285249504>He says, violently shaking with anger
>>285249566Crazy levels of cope, all for a mid tier servant, KEK
>>285249551He defeated Gugalanna.Did not lose to GilgameshDid not lose to HipploytaDid not lose to HumbabaMan has gone undefeated throughout the entire war so what are you guys smoking?
>>285245174Not to the planet. Gil is still considered the only equal to Enkidu though, ever since their first meeting when they both gave it everything they had and stalemated to a draw.
>>285249576But enough about meduselessWell actually, considering she was killed by a school teacher, she's probably low tier
>>285249577>He didn't lose, that means he wonHe's going to die, you know that, right? He'll lose to Gilgamesh, Enkidu or Richard... Or, most likely? He'll lose to Hippolyta, the only Servant he has a connection with in the entire war. He'll lose outright, and the victor will tell him he was disappointing despite being the greatest hero ever known.
reminder even though sabers luck hard countered cu's spear she still was damaged by it btw.
>Gil and Enkidu working together were needed to defeat Gugalanna in myth>Alcides solos it>N-No Alcides is not that strong
>>285249590Wobbly punches were enough to deal with Saber. Easily A++ Class NP.
>>285245648Arc isn't properly what she should be until she settles things with her sister.
>>285249590Considering Medusa managed to beat Salter the rankings go like thatJapanese mountain-man teacher>Cu>>>Medusaless>>>Salter>>>>>>Saber>>>>>rest of the shitters>>>>Gilkek
>>285245828MHXX has Ado Edem. It's double-Rhongomyniad.
>>285249598>He's going to dieSo he hasn't lost then? Saying, he's going to lose basically applies for 99% of every player in a grail war. How is that a sleight against Alcides?You don't count Alcides beating Gilgamesh, even though team fights or sneak attacks still count as victories, but you somehow think Alcides MUST be defeated by one person or that it will totally count if multiple people beat him? The double standards surrounding this character is puzzling. I say this as someone who fully believes Gilgamesh would have beaten him.
Every single Cu loss has been a massive asspull even for fate standards
>>285249590>a hundred times more famous than Irish literal WHO>l-low tiercrazy levels of projection my guy
>>285249123>I believe that if a Hassan obtained a Zabaniya and didn't come to regret it at the end of their life, then he'd have no issue with them.I agree completely. But that's a big if that we haven't seen yet.My point was that most of the Hassans we saw were 100% doing it wrong according to KH, and were judged accordingly. I guess I did throw in an implication that because every Hassan had a gimmick Zabaniya he would have issue with each and every one so I will concede that bit. We don't see what his opinions are of the Hassans who successfully lived to old age, for example. Might be positive, might be negative. But he does have issue with the ones he interacts with in FGO, and for very clearly stated reasons. We also know Cursed Arm was 100% doing it wrong at the very least so KH was definitely judging him for the arm.But given what we see of him in Camelot and Babylonia and other occasional FGO appearances (like the latest Santa Nemo one), KH has a general attitude of "just do it / just kill them, don't think too hard about it as long as you think it's worth doing". So if humans can't walk up and slice necks like he can, he'll tell them that's just a minor skill issue. If they can't kill without Zabaniyas, he'll tell them it's a skill issue. So you have an uphill battle to justify taking on a demon as a killing arm you can barely control when you seemed like you were already a superhuman level of an Assassin without it.
How do you beat a guy with a undodgeable piercing attack without it being a asspull?
>>285249638The Irish managed to stall Gilkek for WEEKS.
>>285249638>Cu is still stronger despite being much less famousMY FUARKING HERO
>>285249605It's funny you say this>needed Nowhere in any myth, either IRL depictions of the myth, or Fate, is it ever said that they needed both of them. The bull appeared and CCC actually says that they easily defeated it. The myth also shows them easily defeating it. The one that was really needing of them both was Huwawa at full power. Gugalanna is a living noble phantasm and a weapon of Ishtar's.Enkidu is the strongest living noble phantasm, and also weapon in Mesopotamia. On two separate categories, he outranks the bull.And as of Vol 9, we're told that Gilgamesh completed his journey alone, without Enkidu.
>>285249293>Berserker would somehow "miraculously" survive despite it eating through all of his stocks of livesBro, Nasu already did that in FSN, don't put it on Narita. When Herc fought Gil in Fuyuki Gil went through like 15 lives even though he's only supposed to have 12 max.
>>285249605There's people posting in here who have never seen Nasu's original take that Herc is the strongest of the famous heroes and Gil is the strongest of the obscure ones and now they're shocked that he isn't a mindless retard who can only swing a rock
Medusa has bigger boobs than Blueman, so she's better.
>>285249660Nah. He just has Battle Continuation, so even if he takes a fatal hit, he can still keep going for a while. Same reason Cu Chulainn got up and killed Kirei even though his spirit core got shattered.
Cu is theoretically invincible in a 1v1.
>>285249302FSN Seibah was Seibah's soul in a Servant container. Totally fine against DAs.FGO Pseudos are still dead people as Servants. Totally fine.And to expand on this, the whole justification for clapbait Servants like Waver and IshtaRin in FGO in the first place was that the Incineration of Humanity actually killed them and their souls got merged with the Heroic Spirit (to nerf them) when summoned. Basically every single Servant in Chaldea is a Ghost Liner (True), not human soul or living person stuck in a weird state. Except Irisviel, because we literally picked her up and brought her home with us from the F/Z Singularity but Nasu forgot so it's irrelevant.No comment on Mashu.
>>285249663post it then
>>285249678Go read the fight again and count the life losses. It isn't Battle Continuation.
>>285249702>Seibah's soulWasn't it the actual physical body of Saber which is why she couldn't go into spirit form?
They should have let Alcides steal one of Goetia's NPs. It would have only lasted half a second before nega summon kicked in, but it would have been hilarious to see the demon pillars seethe.
>>285249723>Nasu: When I was working on old "Fate". I wanted to do a "World Hero Fighting Tournament" and Heracles was there as an obvious pick because he was a well-known hero famous for being the strongest of them all. So then I decided to look for a lesser-known and extremely ancient hero. That's how I came across Gilgamesh.
>>285249761the only one worth stealing is ars almadel salomonis
ibuki is stronger than gil btw
>>285249790>lost to the weakest Gil and got trapped
>>285249797>ruler >weakest
>>285249790>SakuraislopHonest to god joke characters that no one will ever take seriously
>>285249801...Yes? Do you think Rulers are strong or something?
>>285249801you didn't play SR, did you?
>>285249790You do know Ibuki is as strong as LB Zeus lol?
>>285249808Yes? They're explicitly one of the most busted class.Also gil had to scheme becausethere's no way he could take her on directly
>>285249824which is completely absurdly retardedthis is the very pinacle of nipwank
>>285249830No, they explicitly are not. There has never been a single note of Ruler's being stronger than any other class. What signifies the Ruler class are command spells over the other heroes in a proper grail war. Which...GIlgamesh already fucking has anyway as of CCC. Now, because you're clearly a secondary, I'll need to explain that the summons of FSR are dogshit and nearly every hero has a degraded saint graph. Ibuki was actually summoned at peak power, just lacking a master to replenish her once spent.>gil had to schemeIt was actually stated that he could have done several things to deal with Ibuki but he went with the option he thought was most entertaining. But never even mind that. It's hilarious when he uses GoB exactly as its SUPPOSED to be used - attacking the weakness of a legend - and you're coping that it doesn't count lmao. Even in a direct fight, it was stated that Ibuki going all out would have an incredibly difficult time with this Gilgamesh. More Gilgamesh upscale that a weak incarnation can go that far in direct combat, and win out of it.
>>285249824>>285249835Again, slop written by Sakurai can freely be considered non-canon.
>>285249864It is actually non-canon in this case. Ibuki only beats Gilgamesh in her storyline. But this ignores that everyone beats Ibuki in their storyline. If you're the player character, you win every fight. Whether or not the servant is a shitter. What we do know is that Gilgamesh is very cautious of Ibuki...which makes sense because she's compared to the machine gods, while he's in a trash vessel and doesn't/can't use Ea.
>>285249830Almost every servant in FSR are weaker than usual because a real grail isn’t being used it’s why Iori can even fight servants to begin with.
>>285249898That only really accounts for stats. It doesn't account for skill or technique. The fact that Iori defeats Musashi is proof that Iori outskills her.
>>285249909Skill requires stats to properly execute. A faster character will use his skills faster.
gilgamesh loses to Cu 9/10 times
>>285249852Amakusa shirou is literally stated to be an absolute shitter if he isn't summoned as a ruler you tertiary. And if you believe he's stronger as a caster with a gimped GoB than he is as a ruler, you're beyond help
>>285249898if both gil and ibuki are weaker than usual then it would cancel out wouldn't it
Is Shirou referenced in this?
>>285249943Stats don't matter much for Gilgamesh. All of his power comes from his treasury. His fighting style doesn't change whether he's an Archer or Ruler.
>>285249948yeah, in an interlude it's stated gil went back to fuyuki and killed him
>>285249971I FUCKING WISH.
>Ibuki wank What was Sakurai thinking with this character? If your going to wank a Japanese god Amaterasu, Susanno or Izanagi makes more sense than a fucking snake that Susanoo killed by getting it drunk.
>>285249988Because of Shuten-Douji and the Heian Gang.
>>285249988NIPPON STRONGBANZAI
>>285249932Based retardbro. Amakusa barely even qualifies for caster because he barely practiced spellcasting. How does that prove that Ruler itselfis """"one of the most busted classes""" instead Amakusa just being a shit servant who can barely get going in proper classes?>And if you believe he's stronger as a caster with a gimped GoB than he is as a ruler, you're beyond help>If you think Gil being gimped is stronger than [even gimped Gil] you're beyond helpLmao. This is a war where Arjuna can lose to Iori and where Cu is outclassed by a shittier version of Jeanne because their vessels and fame are dogshit, you secondary.
>>285249830>They're explicitly one of the most busted classAs a class the only thing special about the Rulers is that they are impartial arbitrators that treat all equally before the law, hence Trashu would have to lose all her memories and emotions to qualify as Ruler and when you complete OC4 your access to the Rulers is restricted purely to combat for the purpose of restoring the human order. Being summoned as a Ruler is actually a debuff to Holmes whose natural class is Caster and in which he would have been able to unravel the truth of the world itself. Jeanne wasn't even the strongest Servant in Apocrypha, she was just the judge and given a bunch of CS to enforce the rules.
>>285249943NTA but it wouldn't. Ibuki wasn't summoned the same way as the others. She has the proper powers of a god/divine spirit. She still has a strong legend in Japan, so this is her home territory. The other foreign servants don't.>>285249959They definitely do. Ea runs on his magic power and stats. So does the GoB. The treasures can be enhanced with his mana.
>>285249988You have to understand Sakurai is a retarded woman who's only obsessed with powerlevels or telling an absolutely uncompelling romance. Case in point>Gil gets anti-purge NP's mentioned>6 months later Ozymandias suddenly has anti-purge NP's on his temple too
>>285250017It really is cringe how she tried so hard to make Ozy another Gilgamesh, but Ozy never has the narrative fiat or importance, which is the biggest thing Gilgamesh has going for him. Now nobody, not even Sakurai, gives a fuck about Ozy.
>>285250017>>285250032She ruined the potential of other Egyptian servants because she tried to make a Ozy into a Egyptian Gil.
>>285250004To begin with, whether a servant is better fit for a class depends on the servant themselves. The whole "X class is weaker" mainly applies to Caster and Assassin under the confines of the holy grail war. As of FGO, we've at least seen incredibly powerful casters who would be among the strongest heroes. Fundamentally, anyone arguing that Ruler is the strongest class does not know their material. I remember this misinformation circulating circa 2014 and people thought Jeanne was some god-tier hero.
>>285250001>How does that prove that Ruler itselfis """"one of the most busted classes""" instead Amakusa just being a shit servant who can barely get going in proper classes?It's pretty simple really anon. >Be summoned in caster Class>Be third rate>Be summoned in ruler class which is supposedly the same as regular class>Suddenly become decentAlso you're forgetting that ruler comes with busted skills beyond the command seals like the ability to see another servants profile which in the context of a grail war is absurdly strongAnd also there's the fact that so far, each time we've seen a servant have a ruler a regular class form, the ruler one has been the strongest which is obvious in cases like amakusa or charlemagne.Hope this clear things up! You should really read the VN sometime!
>>285250017lmao did that actually happen
>>285250087What? There's nothing remotely simple about that and that's not how it works. It's not>be summoned in caster and be 3rd rate.It's>I'm 3rd rate so I BARELY qualify for CasterIt's saying Amakusa, by design, is a weak servant>Suddenly become decentUm, sorry, I don't remember anyone considering Amakusa a decent servant. He's still one of the absolute weakest in Apocrypha and not a frontline fighter.>command seals >>285249852>What signifies the Ruler class are command spells over the other heroes in a proper grail war. Which...GIlgamesh already fucking has anyway as of CCCGuess you just didn't read?>>285250087>And also there's the fact that so far, each time we've seen a servant have a ruler a regular class form, the ruler one has been the strongest which is obvious in cases like amakusa or charlemagne.Except Archer Gilgamesh is stronger than ruler Gilgamesh. Except Holmes was explicitly nerfed by a Ruler Vessel when his proper vessel with his full prowess would be CasterExcept the reason Karl is stronger than Charlie has nothing to do with their classes, and everything to do with the fucking fact that Karl is the stronger alignment and that Charlemagne is a figure entrenched in reality, so the fantasy aspect is weaker.You have no idea what you're yapping about>Hope this clear things up! You should really read the VN sometime!WHAT FUCKING VN? Apocrypha was a light novel. Extella and Samurai Remnant are games, you fucking idiot.
>Be Sakurai >Take an interesting figure like Sigurd>Make him muh BrynThis hack has ruined so many servants it’s actually crazy.
is apocryphra anime worse than the garbage fsn deen anime?
>>285250087>And also there's the fact that so far, each time we've seen a servant have a ruler a regular class form, the ruler one has been the strongestThis is a fact?Because I'm pretty sure:>Rider Quetz > Ruler Quetz>Archer Gil > Ruler Gil>Caster Holmes > Ruler Holmes>Sheilder Galahad > Ruler Galahad>Lancer Artoria > Ruler Artoria
>>285250128>Um, sorry, I don't remember anyone considering Amakusa a decent servant.Well he stomped Fran and stopped an EX rank NP and the mats say "he would be third rate if he wasn't a ruler" which means he isn't as a ruler>Except Archer Gilgamesh is stronger than ruler Gilgamesh.[CITATION NEEDED]. You keep blaberring on about that with absolutely no proofs and it's getting embarassing>Except Holmes was explicitly nerfed by a Ruler Vessel when his proper vessel with his full prowess would be CasterOnce again, source? Cause although it's true that Holmes states he fits the caster class, there's nothing that says the ruler saing graph nerfs him. >WHAT FUCKING VN?It's called fate stay/night. It's really the best entry point into the franchise rather than whatever youtube videos you've been watching.
>>285250211>Well he stomped Fran and stopped an EX rank NP and the mats say "he would be third rate if he wasn't a ruler" which means he isn't as a rulerFran is an absolute garbage servant to begin with and has only her suicidal NP to work with. And no, he did not stop La Pucelle. La Pucelle was attacking the holy grail and Amakusa hacked into the holy grail for extra mana and still couldn't stop Jeanne from destroying 70%(?) of the grail itself.>CITATION NEEDEDRuler Gilgamesh not being able to use Ea in use and it not being in his profile is one very big reason.>It's called fate stay/nightWhere the Ruler Class doesnt' existYou fucking idiot.
>>285250231No need to be mad at having been thoroughly destroyed anon. Learn and be better next time.
>>285250137Nope, miles better. Animation and music are stellar, better than Strange Fake so far.
This guy has to be rage baiting lol.
>>285250253Anon stop lying. Yes the apocrypha anime is better than the deen one but in no way is the animation superior to SF so far
>>285250211>Once again, source? Cause although it's true that Holmes states he fits the caster class, there's nothing that says the ruler saing graph nerfs him.>Tertiary doesn't play the actual game and still thinks he can actually talk about it.Every fucking timeHolmes:Even secured by the Sacred Lance, such a thing could easily be stripped away if the means were discovered.Holmes:There's no need for humans to know. They shouldn't know.Holmes:That is why I was given the Spirit Origin of a Ruler...as a mediator and judge.Holmes:I mediate the truth and rule over all creation to maintain the history of humanity.Holmes:As one who shines a light on the truth, I sense that the world is telling me that not all illusions and dreams should be laid bare.The Ruler Class inhibits Sherlock from doing the one thing he does best. Analyzing and uncovering the truth.
>>285250163Maybe as ruler Galahad would finally get off his ass.
>>285250276Lazy sack of shit didn't even help in the finale
>>285250260Strange Fake has nothing like Apoc intro battle yet.
>>285250200O...kay?
>>285250281>His king worked herself to the bone keeping Singularity F up so that the evidence wouldn't disappear>Galahad himself does fuck-allWorst knight.
>>285250263>Alien god who summoned holmes deliberately prevented him from uncovering the truthWoah.... How does that pertain to strength, the topic of this discussion though?
>>285250239Your lucky this is an online arguments. If this were irl I would be dragging your face across concrete until you fully submitted that you were wrong.
>>285250263I knew that guy was trolling when he was actually arguing Ruler Gil is stronger than Archer Gil.
>>285250302post hands
>>285250263Bro, I don't think it's the ruler class that inhibited sherlock from doing anything, but the line of coke that he snorted when he said that this was the ending that [redacted] desired
>>285250211Play the fucking game secondary>I had no choice. If we had dug deeper, we would need to discuss matters such as parallel worlds or the Pruning Theoretical Phenomenon, and I would even need to go into detail about the Age of Gods.>We live in a world where the distant past retains no physical trace of us... That is the manner of uncertainty in which we live.>It is as it should be, since what we can see and touch and experience as reality are brief, fleeting events.>Even secured by the Sacred Lance, such a thing could easily be stripped away if the means were discovered.>There's no need for humans to know.>They shouldn't know.>That is why I was given the Spirit Origin of a Ruler...as a mediator and judge.>I mediate the truth and rule over all creation to maintain the history of humanity.>As one who shines a light on the truth, I sense that the world is telling me that not all illusions and dreams should be laid bare.
>>285250253>better than Strange Fake so farGet off the internet Higashide
>>285250238>Ruler Gilgamesh not being able to use Ea in use and it not being in his profile is one very big reason.A NP not appearing in the profile doesn't mean gil doesn't have access to it.Gil didn't have the clairvoyance NP in his stay night profile yet nasu stated he had it. Same in samurai remnant, it doesn't appear on the profile yet gil clearly knows everything going on
>>285250298>pertain to strengthBecause Holmes' strength is unraveling mystery. That is his basis of his NP. When he understands something, he is able to define it. When something is defined, counters can be performed and it can even lose power. I know you didn't actually play the game so you have no idea how dangerous of an ability this is. Holmes is such a threat that Zeus singled him alone out and immediately shut off his insight. Because Zeus acknowledges that being unable to unravel mystery is fatal.Narration:I knew it.Narration:You are a dangerous one, sage.Narration:You must not look at me.Narration:You must not look at the gods.Narration:Your very eyes are a threat to this world.Caster Holmes is presented as this on steroids. So yes, he's stronger in the way that matters most to the great detective. Where you bullshitted that Ruler was stronger based on...absolutely nothing but Amakusa inherently being a shitter servant with little aptitude for magecraft. Ruler was a clutch that could support his aspect as a saint, because he has no other talents for other classes.
>>285250358>play the gameim not a gacha tard faggotalso anything in FGO is not canon and pure fanfic to make retards (like u) spend moneykys
>>285250298Alien God summoned Holmes as a Caster, he didn't become a Ruler until he joined Chaldea and the world immediately nerfed him.
>>285250302Woah I'm so scared anon, you're such a tough guy.
>>285250361An NP not appearing in the profile is not the reason. But I'll tell you that Ea has been in every single one of Gilgamesh's sheet from his inception in 2004. So it not being here is a huge red flad. And if you paid attention to the first half of that sentence, you'd know I said that Ea specifically is not usable in gameplay as well. Gilgamesh is the only servant in Remnant that does not have a noble phantasm ability. He uses only GoB.
>>285250376>read the VN>no not that one it doesn't count
>>285250390It's not that he can't use it, it's that he refuses. Noble Phantasms usually only appear on stat sheets after they're seen for the first time. This was how it worked in Fate/stay night. Gilgamesh never uses Ea in Fate/Samurai Remnant. If you try to make him use it, he'll refuse, saying "You're a hundred, no, a thousand years too early!". He doesn't believe Iori is worthy of Ea.This is how it worked in Fate/EXTRA CCC as well. Ea was only available in his status screen after it becomes unlocked. This is how it worked for all Noble Phantasms for the playable Servants.
>>285250390>But I'll tell you that Ea has been in every single one of Gilgamesh's sheet from his inception in 2004.That's a straight up lie? It doesn't appear in his caster profile. >Gilgamesh is the only servant in Remnant that does not have a noble phantasm abilityAnd that's also a retarded argument. Even if he couldn't use EA, they could've easely made an animation using GoB as a NP or anything else. And don't give me bullshit about them not wanting to reuse a move cause Cu has gae bolg as a skill and as his NP.When you try to use a NP with gil he refuses to do so simply because he doesn't want to. Because it's in character.
>>285250430Caster Gilgamesh can't use Ea because he is deliberately sealing his other skills. You kind of proved his point.
>>285250425>Noble Phantasms usually only appear on stat sheets after they're seen for the first time.This is not a requisite. Noble Phantasms are all visible in FGO and Extella even before you use the servant. They are sealed in Extra games because Extra and gaining information is integral to that story. It's not a requirement. In FSR, you know what the servant's NPs are when you get them.
>>285250307>>285250381You're brown.
>>285250456FGO and Extella have different systems of revealing info to the player. Fate/Samurai Remnant simply doesn't show information to you if it's not relevant in the game. Gilgamesh refuses to use his Noble Phantasm for you. It's inaccessible. The other Servants will use their NPs when fighting you, or use it on your command. He alone won't use it.
>>285250425>He doesn't believe Iori is worthy of Ea.This is incorrect. Gilgamesh has so much respect for Iori and Takeru that they beat him outright, he laughs and appraises them. In his ending, he wants both of them to join him in conquering the world. Gilgamesh has used Ea for far less. My interpretation is less that he doens't want to use it, and more that he can't in that vessel. Which rounds to him not having it in his sheet. Seems very clear and dry.
>>285250475>Fate/Samurai Remnant simply doesn't show information to you if it's not relevant in the gameOr he just doesn't have it, thus it's not relevant. This is mutually exclusive to my position.
Ea isn't even Grand Archer Gilgamesh's NPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx3CgjLXDMk
>>285250488isn't mutually exclusive*
>>285250482That's a different matter. He tests Iori and Takeru, but never truly goes all out against them. Iori and Takeru even note that he's holding back against them the whole fight. There's a very definitive and distinct difference in how he chooses to test them, as opposed to how he chooses to test Chaldea in his Grand battle.Iori and Takeru met his expectations, but he didn't place the bar as high as he normally would. You're just making assumptions without evidence, when the clearest evidence should be his own words: he believes you're a hundred years too early for Ea.
>>285250512>That's a different matter. He tests Iori and Takeru, but never truly goes all out against themNo, he specifically does go all out mid-way. His excuse for losing is that his saint graph was weak/temporary.>as opposed to how he chooses to test Chaldea in his Grand battle.Comparing Naked Gilgamesh to even regular Gilgamesh is one massive fucking leap because he will use Ea or approve Ea's use in cases when he's not remotely that invested or serious in battle.>You're just making assumptions without evidence,You mean like you just did? Where you made more after being countered?>be his own wordsHe is capable of lying and bragging, as he often does. I would rather believe what has been proven for 20+ years. Ea being in his sheet when he can access it. When everyone else has their NPs shown and visible. "Irrelevant to the story" is your copout, not the reality.
>>285250512Surpassed actually. He didn't expect them to be that strong and admitted it. Then he gave them one of his treasures. If you know what that means for Gil...
>>285250528I would rather believe him than you.
>>285250549Nah, don't believe me. Believe the profiles and 20 years of his history.
>>285250528NTA but>No, he specifically does go all out mid-way.No he doesn't??? He says he'll show a fragment. You have to be dumb to believe he'd actually lose to them if he was serious
>>285250574His excuse for his defeat is not his lenience or carelessness. It's that his saint graph is weak and he was surprised that he could have lost even with it. When Gilgamesh loses because he's holding back, he's quick to point that out.
>>285250547Surpassed his low expectations, same thing. Gilgamesh only uses just enough power to initially overwhelm his opponent, but not completely crush them. He's someone who starts out every fight deciding that he won't go above a certain level, which usually bites him in the ass when they end up surpassing that level. This is why his performance changes so drastically even within the same title.Consider how much more clever his tactics were against Saber when compared to how he fought Shirou. When he fought Shirou, he met him at his level, only using weapons that Shirou was capable of copying. It ended up being his undoing, but this is how Gilgamesh always roles. In Samurai Remnant, he's not even winded when he stands down, whereas the other two clearly had the fight of their lives.
>>285250549NTA but Gilgamesh's reliability is questionable when speaking of his ineptitude some of the time. IIRC, he was captured by Karl in Link and pretended that he could have gotten out at any time, but everyone there could see he was just boasting. He was practically begging to be rescued and couldn't admit it. Then he left because he lost too much energy.It's not all the time though. Sometimes Gil admits when he's outclassed, but I wouldn't use it as ironclad.
>>285250615That's up-to-debate, but I don't really care either way. I'm just telling you that Gilgamesh doesn't care for the capacity of his master. He cares about how much he likes their humanity. This is stated by Nasu himself. What I'm getting at is that Gilgamesh likes Iori and Takeru a LOT. Gilgamesh giving his treasures away after a test? You did good. Gilgamesh asking YOU to be in his service and to conquer the world? Even suggesting he would grant wishes if necessary (it wasn't)? 1000% on his good list. Gilgamesh would absolutely use Ea for them. He's used Ea for less. Stating they are unworthy because of their *abilities* is actually contradictory.
>>285250591Considering he has a grail in GoB, if he doesn't use it and remains with a gimped saint graph this pretty much means he doesn't take this seriously. And this matches up with him refusing to use his NP when you play him. The only thing that seems to get his off his ass in the waxing moon ritual is ibuki.
>>285250657Liking their character and gauging their powerlevels are two completely different things. He likes them better than the typical mongrel, but he won't use Ea on them. That'd be overkill. Neither Iori nor Takeru have any means of defending against Ea. If he were to choose to bring out Ea against them, it'd no longer be a test. It'd be proclaiming them as his enemies to be destroyed. Also, liking someone doesn't mean he'll use Ea on their behalf, especially when they're not his Master.
>>285250697Gilgamesh and his grail isn't even a matter of taking things seriously. He's just very autistic with it. Gilgamesh was quite serious in Babylonia and he still never used his grail. He chose to fall into a coma for his actions when summoning the servants. He's just a weirdo. He has command spells too and didn't even use that.
>>285250657>>285250702Gilcuck is jobber. Who the fuck cares what he thinks or feels? Fuck off.
>>285250702What are you talking about? I'm referring to using Ea FOR them, not against them.>liking someone Yes it does, because he's used Ea for significantly less than that. When Gilgamesh likes someone, he fights with them. He is literally following Iori's commands, so he has accepted Iori as his master, with or without a contract. You'd make a better argument just dismissing Gilgamesh being a playable character and all of it being meme gameplay than this.
>>285250718Geez, fine then. It's late anyway
best thread in years
>>285250714He probably used the Grail, didn't he? He became immobile because he summoned seven Servants at once entirely on his own. That'd be a tall order even for him. You need both an external power source and a Master to summon that many Servants.
>>285250775Nope. He specifically summoned the servants using his own magic energy. A grail was not used. He admitted at the end of the story that he never used it.
>>285250775He explicitly never used the grail in Babylonia. All servants were formed by his spirit origin and then they kept themselves supported by the land. Summoning servants is easier in the AoG. There is only version of Gilgamesh that has ever used the grail, and even that is gameplay. It's Naked Gilgamesh who has golden grail as an active skill. This is the grand version of Gilgamesh that is defined by "all bets are off, I'm using everything".
I have a better question. If he had the bow of Marduk in his vault, why the FUCK didn't he use it on Tiamat?
>>285250825Grand duels weren't a thing yet so Nasu hadn't thought of it.
>>285250825Cause he didn't until he came back as an archer and by then it wasn't needed
>>285250825I mean, even if he did have it, he sealed away most of his treasures. And by the time, he was fighting Tiamat, it didn't really matter. Ea would have done the job anyway
>>285250825Caster Gil is an old man who emptied his vault to arm the people of Babylonia. Might as well ask why he didn't thwack her with Ea until he died and got resummoned as Archer
>>285250845No, fuck you. I brought him along for that fight but his damage was shit because Tiamat doesn't have a "Weak to Enuma Elish" property. I'm demanding an explanation for this bullshit.
wait astolfo is from apocrypha? fucking DROPPED
>there are still gilkeks in 2026
>>285250870ironic considering arcueid is the biggest cvck of all
>>285250870Arcueid is the original and biggest jobber of Type Moon
>>285250884she jobs to my dick alright
>>285250859Should've rolled for np5 mongrel
>>285250909The support Gilgamesh has NP5 and has unique lines. Damage is still bad.
>>285250924oh yeah forgot about thathuhhhhh should've waited for merlin to release and used it alongside gil for buffs
>>285250875That's Ciel
Funny how at their strongest, gil would lose to all the other CCC protags
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>>285250951>>285250969arc is perfection
>>285250951her new route in the new tsukhime is so fucking cringe, like why didnt they give the wish fullfilly route to make arcueid and shiki happy?
>>285250993She can't be perfect. She is inferior to Sakura.
>>285250951why is she so into this nip twink
>>285251026...in opposite day,as Sakura wishes she was half the character Kohaku is
>>285250861Stop being a incel chud. Astolfo is a trans icon.
>>285251031Glorious nippon cock folded over 1000 times
>>285251033Cope. Sakura had a beautifully animated sex scene. Cuckihime girls don't. She's superior.
>>285251061sakura is a shit used good egoistical mass murderer piece of shit tho?
>>285250998Because Nasu has been deliberately unsubtle about the fact that Arcueid's story isn't over yet.
>>285251061I don't have to cope anything considering STACYcueid wins on the sole premise of her not being soiled by worms
>>285251065but enough about kohaku
>>285249613That purely refers to a title. Arc was born as the planet's brain and has all the functionality of it.
>>285251084bro she's the cope grail for shitters.worst used goodsworst grail (illya is better)wormfuckersakurafish shitpostdo i need to go on lmao?
>>285251099>(illya is better)Illya looks like a child and has no excuse for the fucked up shit she pulls on shirou
>>285251109>not wanting to become her doll>imagine when she stuffs you between her legsidk bro I think u might literally be low test used goods hag fucker
Rin is the superior sister anyways
wtf im watching memecrypha and memestolfo got raped by a huge megastacy???
>>285251122canon ending of fsn is the one where shirou gets both rin and saber.
>>285250825Gil could explicitly not defeat Tiamat on his own if he didn't seal his treasure. He could only survive until Uruk was destroyed.He most likely didn't have it or if it did it might not have been enough against that version of Tiamat in particular.
>>285251129You know for someone who got memed into being a faggot,Astolfo sure fucks alot of women
>>285250884Nah, Arc does pretty well in Ciel's route. She doesn't lose a single fight because she wasn't gimped by the plot there. Unlike other characters who lose to characters they have no business losing to because they're retarded.
>>285251192yeah wtf I thought it was gonna be BL shit but this is fucking based
>>285251133Maybe the reason they don't appear too much in later works is because they're busy having threesomes day and night
>>285251065>>285251081Sakura is far more popular and has the most memorable sex scene in Type Moon. Others niggas need to resort to doujins to get something similar. Sorry thems the facts.
>>285251251sakura got NOTHING on tohsaka's anus retard.NOTHINGI FF'd through that slut's scenesFUCKING GARBOJ
>>285251251>most memorableDoesn't even come close to threesome with Rin and Saber. I never even see people meme Sakura's scenes contrary to Tohsaka's anus or Tsuki mollusks.Also her scenes in HA are hard-carried by Rider.
>>285243880Narita, you will NEVER convince me Sasaki Kojiro could ever beat any of your FSF servants!
>>285251251Wow,all that and she's still a wormslut??Shirou is so lucky to fuck her loose pussy...
https://x.com/Snowfield_Daily/status/2011030463230398633>Possible terror attack at the opera house in the city center, mysterious man giving a speech at the scene (Reporter: M.F.)
>>285251286Huwawa is just a bigger swallow
>>285251278>>285251284>>285251298None of these animated by Ufotable. Cope.
>>285251350prime tertiary cope
>>285251350>animated>2 seconds showing her naked backBro?
>>285251350
>>285251400lmao
>>285246135>2016 11/11That long...
>>285251400I was wormed in the sweltering summer of 2004.
>>285251498Sakura...
>>285251361>>285251367>>285251400>>285251408>>285251498Reminder no Type Moon girl (including your waifu) has looked this GOOD on the big screen before.
>>285251571Your shitty character's legacy will always be this btw
>>285251586I am sensing a hint of jealousy. Sorry, Arc only got QUALITY.
>>285251571>reduced(censored) boob size
>>285246449it takes place in america after all
