What do you want from the next episode?
>>285386808More Dumas
More lewd Tine
>>285386808nudity
What's Alcides' personality?
>>285386948He is a hero
>>285386808The same thing I want from every episode, Pinky.More Tsubaki scenes.
What if this series was called Fate/Normal Real
>>285387037What is a hero?
The epic of gilgamesh is a better written story then the tale of king Arthur.
OP peaked at this moment. The music and the visual came together perfectly.
>>285387062Figuring that out is pretty much what this entire series is about.
>>285387070if i wanted to read them is any old crap from google fine or are their clearly better editions?
>>285386808Jason screentime. Or would that be a couple episodes later?
>>285386808canonical consistency
>>285386808More cute girlsFewer ugly males
Richard's armor looks kinda dumb on a closer inspection.
>>285387154Not them, but always google the best versions online and then pirate it off libgen/mobilism/irc/anna's archive etcone time I read a really good russian bookit read like MTL slop before MTL slop even existedlike 10 years later it finally got a new translation, thank fuck
Can't believe this is getting more people into Fate
>>285387570are you special needs anon
>>285387045HmmmI have dirty thoughts
>>285386808More church sex
>>285387591You will die in horrible pain from the plague
HF, CCC and FGO have the same message>Killing Dark Saber means growing up>MC convince Nurse Sakura to go with him in the real world.>He get his real body back and Sakura, symbolic of having a "Yamato Nadeshiko" type, the "idealised Japanese woman." is next to him for whatever reason>Say goodbye to your servant, symbolic of letting go to Otaku trends and becoming a real adult>accept boring world, move on and become a salary man so you can be happy>get nympho wife so you can improve Japanese birthrate>Stop being a filthy otaku that uses media for escapism>Nintendo? Sega? PS2? Grow up, otaku>it's time for you to grow up, get a job and then a big titty wife and stop with all this escapism UBW nonsense>just get a big titty gf and get a job. it's that easy>Shirou was finally taking his own selfish needs seriously, which is what any healthy human being needs>HF final ending where literally the theme of the story actually comes together, about how the grail war was mistaken from the start and they needed to just let go of it, with Ilya tying together her character arc from the entire game about also putting her hatred aside and making peace with her family, when the other ending doesn't address shit and leaves you on a shitty note>Grail wars? Servants? Masters? It was always a mistake >the Yen is now almost as weak as the Turkish Lira>Grow up and live the lifestyle of company loyalty, working long hours, prioritizing work over personal life>Work Hard. Pay Taxes.Nasu kinda hates Otaku and wants them to stop watching anime and live their lives, every writer that likes Nasu ends up copying his ideals. Which results in "Escapism isn't healthy, you should work a menial job and shut the fuck up, you aren't a hero, being a salaryman is the real heroism buddy".Kiritsugu was trying to tell Shirou that the real Seigi no Mikata are working Japanese salarymen
>>285387644Chat is this real?
>>285387644Well maybe Nasu should take his own advice and start pumping out babies.
Is next episode meant to be the start of volume 2? So it's going to be 3 episodes per volume?
>>285387644Servants are always ephemeral existences that die and disappear at the end of the HGW. They only didn't disappear in FGO. This is what I mean by characters like olga/romani/marisbury/mash/lev etc being the heart of what FGO is, NOT the servants. Servants will come and go but people are forever.However they've thrown a big spanner in the works by converting basically all the cast into servants.
>>285387607Heh, that's funny.
>>285387644You have to stop copypasting posts from /fgog/
>>285387570Did it?
Alcides is going to win the entire war and get nothing for his efforts.
>>285386808Francesca tummy sakuga
>>285387879Yeah because the CS is to make servants suicide. How the servants haven't cottoned on to this scam by now, I don't know.
>>285387879Nah, Thia's gonna fucking obliterate him.
>>285386808CHADcides will defeat Huwawa by himself like he did Gugalanna.
>>285386808A longer run time.
>>285386808>What do you want from the next episode?I wanna see my wife Hyppolita
current vol 9 status"Fake" servants to "prime the pump"Tiné Chelc -> Gilgamesh -> Archer ===== FIRST TO FALL (VOLUME 5) - SERVANT ==> REVIVED INTO ALTER EGO (VOLUME 9)(OG Master died) Silver Wolf / Chimera -> Enkindu -> Lancer(Supposed to be her parents) Kuruoka Tsubaki -> Pestilence -> Rider ==== SELF DEFEATS (VOLUME 6) still aliveOrlando Reeve, Police Chief -> Alexandre Dumas père -> CasterJester Karture, Dead Apostle, Dorothea -> Nameless Muslim Zealot -> AssassinFlatt Escardos -> Jack the Ripper -> Berserker ===== SECOND TO FALL (VOLUME 6) - MASTER"True" servants(OG Master Cashura died) Ayaka Sajou -> Richard, Duke of Normandy and King of England, Lionheart -> SaberFaldeus -> Hassan-i Sabbah -> Assassin ===== THIRD TO FALL (VOLUME 8) - SERVANT (SELF DESTRUCT)Bazdilot Cordelion -> Alkeides/Heracles -> Archer/Avenger 50/50Doris Lusendra + El Melloi II Classroom -> Hippolyta -> RiderSigma -> Watcher / Gatekeeper -> Lancer? (Wants to transform master into Lancer?)Francesca Prelati -> Francois Prelati -> CasterHaruri Borzak -> Huwawa -> Berserker === DEFEATED (VOLUME 8) still alivevol 10 should haveOrlando and his Calatin cuties vs BazdilotZealot, Hansa and his nun sluts, Saber vs JesterGil vs Alcides vs HippoSigma vs FaldeusEGG
>>285386808I want to hear the Alcides dub voice actor
Fate/references, hype and aura moments the series
>>285387990Their memories are erased with each summon.
>>285388208How much of the recent volumes have been nonstop fighting? Because I'm feeling Volume 10 would have to be nonstop fighting to be able to conclude all this.
>>285388280Yes and I want more
>>285388302they take back the records each time so surely they'd realise that it's a scamge...
>wanted El Cid as a servant since forever>find out he jobs in requiem battle continuation...
>>285388318The original spirit, yes. But you never get the original spirit, just a copy that doesn't remember other Grail Wars
>>285388307Volumes 6 and 8 were battles, volumes 7 and 9 were mostly preludes to battle and getting pieces in position.Volume 10 is apparently going to be twice as long as any other, but yes, it's also going to have at least 4 fights going on simultaneously, and presumably another round of fights after that for the winners.
>>285388339El Cid should have more than battle continuation, instead a noble phantasm that allows him to participate in one battle even after his spirit core was destroyed.
>>285388345was FSF written before the servant memories was brought to canon?
>>285387644People will fall for this post thinking its a legit postThis is copypasta stale copypasta
>>285388376Yes, this all began like ten years ago
>>285388307some of them do, or have some long fights, a big thing to consider are all the perspective shifts as well, it's not just all in one locationvolume 9 does setup a lot of major fights, and in the afterword narita said he previously had some conclusions to them, but rearranged things to start more stuff leaving the climax to the following volume 10I think a lot of these can be wrapped up reasonably quickly, although the el melloi classroom, greater grail and egg stuff could end up rushed or a bit messy considering everything else that has to be considered, I'm half expecting a "just kidding, volume 11 will come out afterwards!" sort of thing to happen, he already did it once considering it was originally supposed to be just 5 volumes
>>285388351I doubt Narita would have finished things like this normally. He probably started feeling a little bit ashamed that he took so long when the anime entered production and FGO Part 2 entered its endgame without a Strange Fake collab. Richard even had to be added to the game prematurely.
This is a woman?
>>285388417>>285388376They have more than enough content for 50 episodes>Fate/Stay Night DEEN (including UBW scenes and Bondage Sakura)24 episodes>Fate/Stay Night UBW26 episodes>Fate/Zero LN (4 volumes)25 episodes>Fate/Apocrypha LN (5 volumes)25 episodes>Fate/Strange Fake LN (10 volumes)50 episodes?
>>285388452It'd be more accurate to say there's a woman in there at the wheel. The body is that of a man's, specifically a man she seduced and brought into a contract to wear him like a glove.
>>285388464Men will do anything for a little pussy...
>>285388459We're already reaching the end of volume 2, anon. Episode 13 will conclude with volume 5.
>>285387050A normal Holy Grail War that actually goes as planned would be the most subversive Fate story possible.
>>285388417I don't believe that they can kill the whole El Melloi classroom, it would have really horrible implications for the whole of the FSF timeline. >>285388459Unfortunately, season length has been decreasing for a really long time. 2000s and shit you would have 50 ep series, then it was cut down to 24ish in around 2014 and now 2025ish a lot of anime only get 12-13 episode runs and that's it. I think that the FGO money guarantees we get at least 24 episodes, but I think 50 episodes is a dream that won't happen period.
>>285388452>Narita insinuating that Pooners do be out here trying to rape God fearing womenB-b-based???
I know this is a fsf thread but seeing it and fz get such good adaptations makes me wonder could a proper fsn adaptation be possible? LNs simply lend themselves better for on-screen adaptations but still. I wonder if some madlad director/studio could ever pull it off.
>>285388494I don't think using men as a meat shield is the same as being a tranny. Quite opposite.
>>285388505You already have UBW.
>>285388505there won't be a fate route remake, anon
>>285387186jason is such a dogshit "hero"dragged kicking and screaming across the finished line by medea at every turn
>>285388529Ubw was boring as shit. Mid as the kids would say
>>285388505Fate route is boring bro move on from it already
>>285388505Saber should've gotten raped by Gil in atleast one ending.
>>285388550maybe but it's only route where gilgamesh goes all out
>>285388586Yeah, in CCC
>>285388586Doesn't even use Utu Duranki.
>>285388493oh I wasn't implying that at all, el melloi classroom has literal plot armor, it almost deflates the tension, although they are scheming something with the leylines and stuff alongside caster dumas, which is what I was alluding to, maybe they'll help out sigma vs faldeus so he ascends, maybe they'll do some fucky shit to the greater grail so it turns into the egg, who knows, but they are doing something
>>285388505>10 different Fate route adaptions>2 UBW adaptions>2 HF route adaptions>0 adaptions of anything else in the franchise>We get 1 adaption of something else in the franchise>"Hey guiz, we need another FSN adaption"FSN is KantoPokemon can never move on because any time it makes a move it has to go back and jack off Kanto's entitled ass over and over until it feels better about itselfFate can never move on because any time it moves forward it has to go back and jack off FSN a dozen times until the fans feel better about themselves
>>285388545With opinions like these, it's a good thing you won't get what you want.
>>285388605ok, I'm a secondarywhat the fuck is that?isn't Ea his most powerful NP?
>>285388505>>285388529>>285388545>Ubw was boring as shit. Mid as the kids would sayUBW was pretty much 1:1 with the VN text, which was the goal by Director Miura, with retcons by Nasu (see Episode 3)HF trimmed most of the story to fit into 3 movies >UBW, shortest route, gets 26 episode anime>HF, longest route, gets 3 movies that is more of a highlight reel and completely botches the finale
>>285386808blonde girl and blonde man sex
>>285387644>Rin still went to Clock Tower to become a great mage and would definitely support Sakura and Shirou>Sakura still kept Medusa and even got to fuck her true husbando Shirou instead of being reset back to 10 years ago and getting worm'd and Shinji'd>Shirou basically suffered little to nothing from having a new puppet body, and he still went around to help as many people as he could while retain the potential to develop UBWFuck off HFfag, don't fucking pretend your shit is even close to FGO ending.
>>285388627His clairvoyance. Gil doesn't use it as an Archer because that would insinuate that he's bitch made
>>285388630arthor doesn't get summoned here tho
>>285388616With FGO part 2 over maybe we will get gacha anime slop againPraise be Babylonia 2.0 is upon us!
Are the Fate manga adaptions worth reading for Zero, UBW and Strange Fake?
>>285388628That's why I was confused when HFfags were acting all smug that they got movies instead of a series.
So what happened in FSF post Vol 5? Anyone have a summary?Isn't the next volume suppose to be the ending?
>>285388586He doesn't go all out at all, Ataraxia shows he was only using 1% of Ea's power all along
>>285388538Good>>285388550I like it>>285388616And all of them were shit>>285388624Ubw is an example of a 6/10 anime
>>285388630Blond man sex indeed well said!
>>285388654>UBW mangashit
>>285388688Why isn't Gil an evil bastard here like in Zero?
>>285388688I know gil's personality has changed a lot along the years but seeing him act like this outside of FGO is weird...
>>285388505You will get your Fate route 2.0 in the form of Lostbelt 6 and like it.>adapting the Lostbelt arc from the prologue so even lorelet can have an idea of what happening?>nah I don't want those stinky filler arcs near my magnum opus Arthurian myth>we will just do it like the Camelot movie and Babylonia anime
>>285388627FGO shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oBrfmQ1-Z0
>>285388713No Seiba to molest.
>>285388749there's enkidu tho
>>285388713He was never evil in Zero
>>285388759Some things are all the more beautiful because they are unattainable.
>>285388627I don't have a non leddit link for the translation so you'll have to https://sh.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/1oy0ux9/grand_archer_gilgamesh_naked_skills_and_voice/
>>285388627https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Utu_DurankiBow that killed Tiamat
>>285388749Will he groom Tine?
>>285388727Stop fucking lying.That np is only good against primordial goddess, like how Enkidu is good against divine beings (spoiler: sufficient powerful divine being can still break it even with a grail buff).If Gil dares to shoot it at Jet he would just grab it and smack Gil to death like a bitch.
>>285388616I wanted a Hollow Ataraxia adaptation for Caren, though with the unfortunate concession that they'd cut out all the sex.
I hope faldeus makes it out alive in the end
>>285388489I really like the overall production quality and direction of this, but it does make me kind of sad they're rushing things a little, so we end up missing some details that give a little bit more texture to the events or explain thingsfor instance, I saw on some other threads some anime only anons confused about Jester's child like appearance and how Hansa didn't detect it, but that was better explained in the novel, that scene is also a bit longer and shows that Jester was a bit trickier, for instance he intentionally didn't actually kill people in the hotel so Hansa and his nuns would be distracted with the cleanup and all thatI also feel like kuroka tsubaki is weirdly absent in both this and whispers of dawn, maybe they'll do a whole episode dedicated to her or something? but I liked the way the novels handled it better returning to her every now and then foreshadowing things as the situation with her servant got progressively worse and worse for the denizens of the cityI guess that's why it's called an adaptation after all, this made me want to actually read the zero novels since I only watched the anime for that
>>285388727>>285388780>>285388781I really need to catch up with fgo... but I'm too lazy to play
>>285388792Okay go off bro it's still FGO shit
Now that FSF is animated, what's the next dream adaptation for Fate fans?Hollow Ataraxia?Lostbelt 6?
Don't feed the trolls
>>285388821LB2
>>285388713Tine reminds him of the little girls from Uruk and his clay onahole being here too made him chill
>>285388821>jumping straight to deep end with lostbeltsLB1 to establish what the fuck is going on as a movie or some shit then the others.More SoL like Emiya Gohan.
>>285388821They have been teasing Prototype with manga adaptations, a pending plotline in FGO and Manaka novelsThat will be the next anime
>>285388800I wish we lived in a timeline where studios could just adapt stuff like that. HA actually had good porn scenes (compared to FSN atleast) and just imagining them animated on a full ufotable budget makes my monkey brain melt
>>285388864>LB1 to establish what the fuck is going on as a movie or some shit then the others.then they should adapt 1.5 as well, especially shimousa
>>285388891Angra backshots in 4k
When will Gil tell Tine to do this?
>>285388891would be nice to see rider, euryale and stheno having sex
What about the whole thing about Ayaka being a supreme mystic code? What will they do about that?
Huh. So apparently spear-chan has a name.https://x.com/ryohgo_narita/status/2012536261613944969
>>285388821>Now that FSF is animated, what's the next dream adaptation for Fate fans?>Hollow Ataraxia?>Lostbelt 6?The original dream adaption was Zero and HF. DEEN already adapted Fate/UBW.And then it was Mahoyo, Tsukihime, FHA, Strange Fake, and Fate route with Unlimited Budget Works. Nobody wanted Apocrypha or Last Encore.
>>285388899>>285388915I would genuinely respect type moon more if they just made straight up porn instead of gacha
>>285388914This reminds me of Gil aggressively flirting with Hakuno in EL
>>285388930>And then it was Mahoyowe're getting movies but we still don't have mahoyo 2 and 3...
>>285388897They're literally prepping the audience with 4 (four) adaptations of those chapters with the manga.Five if you count Seraph CCC since it's the one that makes Melt one of the best girls in the entire waifu list.
>>285388939They're not gonna give up on making billions to earn your respect, small fry.
>Mahoyo*yawnnnn*
>>285388965My dad knows Nasu and I will personally bully him into it, or atleast Takeuchi giving me his private Saber stash
>>285388939Most people are only into Fate for the actual story.
we need a Notes anime
When does he get naked?
>>285388950Give the sauce I want to see that scene.
>>285389011at night
>>285389011SoonStay on the lookout for Tine inviting him to her bedroom.
Is Gil actually grooming Tine?
Why are the Tohsaka sisters both whores? Is it genetic?
>>285389059I sincerely hope so
>>285389059No.
>>285389059He should
>>285388459SF will probably be two seasons and two OVA'sVolume 1 was Dawn, Season 1 will be volumes 2-5, Season 2 will be 6-9, Volume 10 as an OVA or maybe even a movie in theatres.
>>285389026I can't find a video but some of his my room lines are pushing it
>>285388929they all have names but he's randomly revealing them as trivia starting with ones from the novels for now
Why is Gil so nice to Hakuno
>>285388791In the same way he groomed Kirei
>>285389265there was nothing to groom tho
>>285389265Into releasing his inner psychopath.
GROOMgamesh...
>>285389280I'd let Gil groom me
>>285389279Its not about being psycho, Gilgamesh wants people to be honest with themselves, to stop hiding behind excuses. Tine wants her land back, he tells her she could use his power to level the entire city and get rid of all the white people, she can't answer that, she's hiding behind excuses without realizing it, what does she really want. If you have the power to achieve it, then what do you really want, and don't feed him cheap excuses. Be honest, be bold, be selfish.
>>285389265Based.
>>285389237gil is neutraler in the moon cell because he naturally reflects the current state of humanity
>>285389059Legal in ancient Mesopotamia.
>>285389327Begone 2012 fujo Kirei only has eyes for Kerry
>>285389320so if I summoned gil and tell him I just wanna play games, watch anime and goon all day, will he support me?
>>285389320I don't think he meant just the white people.
>>285389345He wouldn't really support you, just not judge you as harshly. You're still a zasshu, but you're honest about what you are
>>285389379cool
>>285389345You should summon Karna instead of Gil in that case
>>285389400karna is too gay for my taste
>>285389414He also gets summoned by useless neets
>>285389414Gil is humanity's oldest homo.
It's sad the most we'll ever get from Hippo is maybe an Ankoman doujin.
>>285389345Refer back to his story in UBW10 slaves, he had to get rid of one, but none of them were useless, all of them fulfilled their duty, therefore he killed noneHe wants humans that truly live with purpose and fulfill their duty, people that live for a reason, not wastes of space that just exist. Which is exactly why he hated humanity in FSN, none of them lived for a reason in that era, they all merely existed and nothing more. None of them lived with purpose.You see Gilgamesh generally with a better atitude in CCC and Babylonia because people in that era are living more "correctly". If you only judge humanity by the humans in the mooncell, everyone is fighting to live, no one is merely existing like a slob.
>>285389470It's not gay if it's clay
>>285389483You will get her getting railed by Herc and you will like it
>>285389470I know but he's the only gay I can tolerate and he's a real chad too
>francesca is a tranny>jester is a tranny>gil is bi>richard is gay>enkidu is nonbinary>waver is gayFate/Strange Gay
>>285389490then I guess I'm fuckedI don't really have a purpose in life
>>285389502THE RAPED
>>285389540can't be a tranny if they don't have the mental illness that makes them cut their dicks off
>>285389490Jinako is pushing that "fighting to live" part
Like no one really reads it much but CCC lays out Gilgamesh ideals about humanity pretty well, and why his attitude towards humanity changes per era, and that his personality wasn't simply retconned. Even his conversation with Enkidu in his SG should make it a bit obvious.
>>285389540TrannyGAWDS won bigly
>>285389562In any era you're going to have at least one retard, but its better than having a country where 80% of the people "merely exist"
>>285389345He will play video games with you.
>>285389563>Like no one really reads it muchBecause it's not translated, retard
>>285389540It's rude to immortal bodysnatchers to equate them to freaks.
How will anime onlys react next week?
>>285388891passione managed it with nukitashi
>>285389606Kinda based to use male bodies for your business like they're trash to throw away
>>285389616so when does alcides become the real archer heracles?
>>285389616Considering how Hansa fighting with black keys sparked Ciel art,chances are his scene is going to cause even more Gil slander than usual
what if there was a grail war and all the participants tried to summon Artoriawhat would happen then
>>285389660Multiple Artorias
>>285389616Hopefully they care more about Saber rocking hard than they do about the edgy shit.
>>285389660There is like 20 different Arthur variations so they would all get their own Arthur. The one that gets the actual artoria wins.
>>285389669I think requiem states you can only summon 4 versions of the same heroic spirit in one war
>>285389660Multiple people can summon the same servant with the same spirit origin. It's a download of the og spirit to multiple bodies. So you each get your own instance.
>>285389660you can't just hope and summon what you want without a catalyst, anonshirou had avalon inside of him, that's why he got saberyou will get a servant that has the closest similarity to you without a catalyst, like medusa and sakura
>>285389660Everyone gets Artoria or a close relative and one guy gets a random Hassan.
>>285389660Weaker catalysts have a higher pool of heroic spirits, so it would be like rolling all 5*s on a ten roll of a gacha, technically possible but so low nobody would ever get it.
How did Gilgamesh lose in melee fight against Shirou in UBW while he was able to compete with Saber in swordsmanship in Fate?
>>285388891so realespecially rin's scene
>>285389660Mysterious Heroine X wins the grail war and wishes to erase Artoria from the throne of heroes
>>285389740because nasu says "look....shirou just has to win there, shut up"he really said that>Gilgamesh [Servant]>The Archer class Servant of the Fourth Holy Grail War. Though he was summoned by Tohsaka Tokiomi, he ended up deserting his master and re-contracting with Kotomine Kirei. He is the strongest character in both Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero.>In the boy-meets-girl story of the original Fate/stay night he was forced to yield to the universal law of "love conquers all", but in Fate/Zero he's free to show off his overwhelming, cheat-like strength without restraint. He could have ended the war in a single night if he truly desired to do so. But then, careless pride is the king's prerogative, and getting serious over something as frivolous as a wish-granter would be unbecoming. So, taking that into account, it sort of balances out the huge disparity in firepower… I guess?
>>285389740Fuck this scene woke something in me 15 years ago
>>285389740what meele fight? gilgamesh was only throwing NPs at him from far away
>>285389740Shirou was always using the exact same sword, which while they shouldn't have history, clearly give him some kind of ability so maybe they naturally replicate the abilities of the future weilder or something. Whole thing is kind of just a don't think too hard about it though. Gil is fucking around and Shirou is at the peak of his life.
>>285389483Pray ythey don’t make one’s with her horse.
>>285389780>He is the strongest character in both Fate/stay night and Fate/ZeroBut Lancelot...
>>285389740Gilgajobber was getting utterly raped in melee combat and everytime Saber was about to hit him for the kill he would spam GoB again. Read the novel.
>>285389740Gil holding Saber like that was hot. Why doesn’t do any of this with Ishtar?
>>285389809Lancelot was nerfed by Kariya and could only use his full power for a whopping 10 seconds. The fact that it would take Gil a whole night to clear the 4th rather than a few hours is likely all on him, considering how fast he dealt with Iskandar, took him like 5 minutes.
>>285389851Ishtar is literal townbike slut who is so ran through it makes Sakura look like a pure virgin
>>285389854I don't really get this jet vs gil stupid fight between fans but gil would probably lose against lancelot only because he would consider not worth using Ea against a lowly mad dog like lancelot
>>285389851read the fucking tablets
>>285389854It took Solomon an entire day too to sweep the HGW
>>285388792>is only good against primordial goddessThere is nothing saying it's only good for that. It's still a massive attack regardless. It's an Anti-Divine weapon, but there's no reason to believe it is ONLY good for killing primordial goddesses just because that's how it was used once.
>>285389660Let's assume they all have an infallibly Artoria-linked catalyst somehow. (I dunno, they all have fragments of her crown or something.) You'd get an Artoria in Saber, Lancer, Rider, Assassin, and Berserker classes. Artoria does not qualify for Caster or Archer, so those masters get to experience the unusual circumstance of a catalyst linking to another hero that's as similar to her as possible, or their catalysts are rejected entirely and they get personality matched.
>>285389791Don't pretend to know what you're talking about
>>285389987castoriabros...
>>285389889Zero Lancelot cannot beat Gil normally, even the novel plainly states that despite the initial spook, all Gilgamesh needs to do is to wait for Kariya to kick the bucket. They say that outright.The only reason Alcides and Enkidu are pulling off all the shit they doing in Strange Fake is because their Masters are actually competent. If these dudes were under Kariya they would have died on their first encounter. It's the same thing with others like Karna. The thing about Gilgamesh is how stupidly strong he is for such a low cost Servant.
>>285390001A certain Lostbelt faerie is not a heroic spirit, and not the Artoria we're talking about besides.
>>285389991sorry, VN UBW is the only route I haven't read and only watched the animeI read fate and HF
>>285390001Not the same person.
>>285390005>Masters are actually competentIt's a dog dude
>>285390045a very cute and powerful dog
>>285389740>able to compete with SaberThe only time he kept up with her even for a moment was when he switched weapons with every swing of his arm, assaulting her with a continuous streak of noble phantasms, many of which were loaded with esoteric effects like passing through her armor like mist or freezing her limbs in its wake.This doesn't apply to Shirou who just answers the same noble phantasm with the same noble phantasm. It doesn't matter what, nothing can overcome itself.
>>285390005Enkidu gets its power from the land, its master is almost irrelevant.
>>285389991ONORE!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UIv077Lstw
Gil was such a meh antagonist in SN I don't understand why Nasu kept him around and that he got so insanely popular.
>>285390045It’s not a normal dog it got modified by the mage that was abusing it it’s a Chimera.
>>285389908Well the thing is, Solomon might not have done it, he might have just summoned a hard working demon pillar like Flauros to do his job.
>>285390096He was popular from the getgo
>>285389654During the Labors
>>285389908We don't know who was fighting Solomon. But we saw how fast Gil raped non Avalon Arturia and Iskandar. I say it's Lancelot that takes him that long because:1. How long it tool for Cu in FSN.2. Zero novel saying just waiting is a wincon for against Lancelot.>The Master controlling Berserker already spent a huge amount of energy, while Caster was surrounded on all sides and even had his workshop destroyed. For these two groups, their lives would die out on their own.>Matō Kariya... he had indeed believed this was a character that required especial attention. Not only did this person bear a strong hatred for Tokiomi, Berserker as his Servant also had the mysterious ability of being able to seize others' Noble Phantasms, considerably the arch-nemesis of Archer.>But in consideration of threat level— Kariya and Berserker would definitely not be first in line.>The Master and Mad Enhanced Servant, hastily prepared, that came forth to the war. They will probably be, of these five enemy groups, the quickest to be eradicated. There was not even need for use of some scheme; merely dragging out the battle into a protracted war would be enough.
>>285390153Herc gives birth?
>>285390134He was extremely shallow, but a lot of women found him hot. There was also a bunch of people mad at him killing Illya. Zero gave him a lot more character and people liked him. Nasu admitted the Butcher one upped him, so Nasu started writing his character a lot better.
>>285390096Gate of Babylon is just such a fucking cool power man.
>>285390162Yeah like 12 times
>>285390170>arrogant>ntr bait>good looking>strong>rich>determined>statusWhat's not to love?
>>285389654Other way aroundIts Archer Heracles that was summoned, and then purposefully warped into an avenger by his master with grail mud.
>>285390187>Have the ability to store any item of your liking>This ability transcends space and time>Decide to just throw weapons at high speeds toward the opponent, not even using their special abilities>Still overpower most servants doing thisHe's cool as fuck.
>>285390170The thing that won me over is him getting off his ass to try and solve the Sakura problem.
>>285390045>>285390084We have seen Earthless Enkidu and that dude's parameters are all C rank. Doggo is strong, in fact doggo being injured is stated to have left Enkidu from his all A stats to something lower, probably full B.
Did Herc have any chances of beating Gil in UBW?
>>285390225that's lame
>>285390096Gil's GoB really allowed Ufotable to show off their animation skills and he's definitely not a boring character.The worst sin a fictional character can commit is to be boring. Back then, we had Ufotable, so we got the demon slayer treatment and that was what boosted Fate to insane popularity.
>>285390245even emiya was able to kill heracles a few timesberserker herc is a jobber
>>285388914But that was RaniGil just enjoyed the show
I just remember will this season show Enkidu’s backstory? Seeing his true form in the manga was cool.
>>285390225I kinda want to know what would've happened to Saber if the original plan worked there both in summoning Arthur and burning command seals since obviously commanding Richard wouldn't do anything since the guy that kidnapped Ayaka was planning to do the same shit and assumedly part of the same faction.
>>285390228>>Decide to just throw weapons at high speeds toward the opponent, not even using their special abilitiesIts a habit he developed fighting Enkidu because he kept getting pressed and had to just pull something out in a rush, originally he pulled items out individually but it was too slow.Against opponents he's serious about he'll usually pull out specific swords one at a time and beat them down with versatility or quality. Against Saber in Fate route and Altera in Extella he beat both of them down by pulling out individual weapons and using various effects to corner them, like poisoning Altera.Says in old mat book that his sword spam is just his way to test if you're even worth fighting seriously. You gotta survive the bare minimum first
Does the dog do anything?
>>285390245Going with the anime as a Nasu-approved canon possibility, he almost managed a DKO due to Gil's arrogance, but beyond that, he had no chance at all. But Gil should not be proud of overcoming a wild beast.
>>285390285Ayaka gives him some pets. Beyond that, no. He just wants to live and chill, so he enjoys his life in the forest.why is there a forest in the mojave desert anyway
>>285390245Not really, but he would have defended against Gilgamesh better if he didn't worry about Illya's safety first and foremost. Gil does get genuinely a shit myself look in the anime when Heracles breaks Enkidu and was gonna tear him apart.
DEEN... soul
>>285390319>when Heracles breaks Enkidu and was gonna tear him apart.that's not what happenedheracles somehow surpassed his legend and gained an extra life and thanks to enkidu, herc wasn't able to kill gil
How well would Cu do in Strange Fake?
>>285390358There is nowhere to fish
>>285390314The same reason why there's mountains in the background. Snowfield is Reno. Forest/Mountain to the south/west and desert to the east.
>>285390358Manly fight against Alcides who hates Gods.
>>285390335Still has the best Fate OST in the franchise.
>>285390358he would probably do better without kirei as his master
>>285390358Could probably win the whole thingHe was held back so much in fsn
>>285390358Caster would rewrite the story of Clan Calatin to kill him.
>>285390392He can't Gae Bulge Alcides
>Fate/stay night timeline>Illya is suppose to summon Herc>She instead summons Kaleid Illya who has both magic sticks and the class cards>Since Kaleid Illya has Heracles inside of a card, she technically did summon himI dunno where to go from here.
>>285390134Not reallyHe had some fans during the FSN era but he wasn't Emiya or Cu level popularIt was Zero fujobait/banter with other characters and CCC rewriting most of his personality what made him really popular
>>285390431They lick each other's cunny.
>>285390431instead of kaleid illya, she should summon kuro
>>285390358Let's assume Bazett and Cu replace Sigma and Watcher, I guess.I can't just say "he sweeps". There's a few servants he'd crush (Hippolyta is hopeless), but with Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and Huwawa around there is no way he's able to just handle that. If Bazett is with him with Fragarach, with timing and strategy they could win it all, but it downright requires someone else to take out Enkidu.Also, it would fuck up the Underworld arc majorly. Someone has to get Tsubaki to regret her wish, and that was Sigma in the main story. I can't see Cuchulainn striking any kind of blow against Death, he had a terrible relationship with the Morrigan.
are there any operatorkino scenes in the story from faldeus' team?
I summon King Protea to sit on my enemies.
I saw that you fucking vtumor
>>285389540wdym richard clearly wants to clap megane's cheeks
>>285390476>F/sn Illya orders Kuro to kill Shirou>Instead she tries to fuck himAwkwardness ensues.
why did they cut assassin's backstory and most tsubaki scenes in the anime?
>>285390552Time.
>>285390527No he doesn't how the fuck did you come to that conclusion
>>285390376>>285390392Cu would get stomped by Alcides, Huwawa, Pale Rider and Enkidu, but would have a shot at the rest.
>>285390527Post proof NOW
>>285390358He doesn't fit this war, like at allJust like Hippolyta doesn't fit this war as the one "normal servant" in the entire warAny normal servant in this war is getting their asses kicked day one since every other servant is such an anomaly. Like every day of the war is the world basically getting destroyed.
>>285390563she just has that effect on people
>>285390571I just want a manly fight between Alcides and Cu.>Abridged Archer: He's pretty much Irish Hercules, Rin!
>>285390616Just because you wanna fuck her doesn't mean he does
When will Narita reveal Richard and Saladin homo relationship?
>>285390250Mafia was just too strong
I'd have sex with>gil>richard>hansa>waver>kyoudai>hippolyta
Damn it, Zouken! Imagine if Prelati saw Shirou doing high jumps! We were robbed of kino!
>>285390716what does zouken have to do with prelati?
>>285390571Richard is a tossup depending on if the fight lasts long enough for him to get to A+ agility thanks to his dudesquad.He'd wallop Dumas in a straight battle but if the clan can survive their first engagement with him it'd become a tossup and he'd probably be doomed in a third fightHassan wins every timeHe'd beat Zealot but only because she's too dumb to just walk awayI don't think he can actually beat Jack assuming he doesn't just try to kill FlatHippolyta would be the saddest stomp in the history of grail warsPrelati can throw him in a fake reality marble and walk away
>>285390728Zouken stomped Prelati from getting involved in the Holy Grail War, and Prelati ended up losing a body.
>>285387070Because the Gilgamesh epic is historical remembrance (with a sprinkle of fantasy or ancient ayy involvement) King Arthur tale is a collection of made up shit by various people
>>285390606Non nerfed Cu can definitely beat Richard, Gilgamesh, Hippolyta, Dumas, Prelati, both Assassin and Jack.
>Prelati losing to ZoukenMeanwhile, this Chad and his Nazi connections.
>>285390358>dying so much that he creates a gag of him dying every time and it's even canonized by TM>but FGO makes him incredibly hard to kill and can solo a lot of bosses pre-Lostbelt>in fact, he can even solo Gil if you time it right
the Narita statement of FSN servants being stronger is complete horseshit, right?
>>285390800Gilgamesh is so cute with the kids! HA HA HA HA!!!
>>285389059What does that mean in this context?
>>285390836What he said is that certain SF servants could be beaten by certain FSN servants.Which is, in the true Nasu style, true since it only requires SF servants to act like retards and even Medea could oneshot them with Rule Breaker to turn them into her servants.
>>285390840wasn't that mostly kirei?
>>285390840Each summoning of a servant is basically their own person. They can behave differently.
>>285390790Nah, pretty much none of thoseHe just doesn't fit in this war to begin with
>>285390836>Cu, Artoria, HercTop tier servants>MedusaTop tier monster>MedeaOne of the strongest witches>Kojirou, EmiyaAnomaly but still strong
Someone mapped out Snowfield's location to this ghost town
>>285390912Daybit lives somewhere in this map btw
Refresh me with Fate lore again.Each servant summoned in a war (barring a few rare exceptions) is essentially a fresh new copy right? So like if I summon Cu Lancer in some new jersey hobo HGW, its gonna be a a Cu Lancer that has no knowledge or lived experience from the Fuyuki 5th HGW right?
>>285390900Gil and Enkidu sweepand you have a few top tiers in Snowfield beside that
>>285390912>mountain/forest on one side, desert on the other>skyscrapers and casinosit can only be Reno
>Gilgamesh: Fastest Servant in the Grail War. What a fucking joke.>Cu: Fuck you.>Gilgamesh: What did you say?>Cu: Nothing. Nothing->Gilgamesh: WHAT DID YOU SAY TO ME?!>Cu: I'm sorry! Shit, I'm so sorry! I didn't mean it!>Gilgamesh: SAY IT!>Cu: SORRY! I'M SORRY!
>>285390935he won't remember having been summoned in 5th HGW
>>285390245No, Gil using Ea would be an instant finish. With the addition to the anime, his hubris almost got him killed.
>>285390840FSNfags who have been bitter and angry about this moment for over ten years not reading databooks and seeing that Gilgamesh spent the entire time inbetween wars de-aged because of the potion of youth, just kinda traveling. He came back shortly before the war.He doesn't care about Kotomine's hobbies.
I love Enkidu.
>>285390836They're not "stronger" as an absolute, but apparently each Strange Fake Servant cannot defeat one Stay Night servant, though which for which is unclear.Like it's obvious that, say, Hippolyta can never possibly defeat Medusa or Cuchulainn due to sheer statistical failing. Or that Jack would be completely blown to dust by Artoria. Huwawa might be able to crush Heracles once or twice, but he would smash her to rubble thoroughly after that. But Enkidu has no weaknesses and Pale Rider is a wild card beyond calculation, yet apparently someone in the Fifth Grail War can beat them without fail.And don't just say "Gilgamesh" for all of them, he specified Fifth Grail War.I for one think Narita was talking nonsense and just trying to fanboy.
>>285390790Jack would savage him. He lacks the weak points that Cu strikes for.
>>285390983He still uses the energy anyway, even when he never needed it. FSN Gil is definitely unredeemably evil, though Nasu eventually explained it away by saying Gil is more toxic in FSN because humanity sucks.
>>285390976Yes. So a fresh new copy.Like, if I fuck and impregnate loli jack in one HGW, then if some other HGW happens a decade down the line and another master summons loli jack, that loli jack won't come out as a single mother servant that got knocked up by a deadbeat master that one time right?
>>285390245Maybe Archer Heracles, but definitely not Berserker HeraclesIts been so long that people here forgot that Berserker class actually gimped the shit out of Heracles>Couldn't use any of his skills(says in his profile that madness made them unusable)>Couldn't use any of his NPs>Couldn't use his brain, which Nasu said is what made Heracles dangerousIt was a terrible class for him, because the Einzeberns were afraid of him thinking for himself too much>Q: About Herakles who was summoned as Berserker, it seems like he can become Saber or Archer. If he had been summoned in a different class, which class would it be that he could demonstrate his true power the most?>A: Surprisingly, it would be Archer. Archer is a ranger so it's a pretty comfortable class to someone like him who overcame many trials with knowledge and resourcefulness.
>haha uncle Kariya look at my deflowered wormpussy>you'll never get this>granpa told me how badly you wanted to fuck me>he told me how you masturbated every day to the sight of his worms raping me>but too bad, I only belong to grandpa now>so just watch me cum from his big dick worms one last time as you die>oh, he's already dead>you're such a fucking pussy, uncle Kariya, no wonder mom never wanted you
>>285390935In nucanon, servants take back records back to the throne. So they can inconsistently trawl through old important memories to them. But it's like looking through the experiences of another person, kinda like reading a wiki article.Only Chaldea's system preserves memories between summonings
Ayaka's black pantyhose is criminal.
>>285391055It was always the case that they take back memories. The only one able to pursue those memories was EMIYA, presumably as a "benefit" of being a CG. If not for that, every EMIYA would be some fresh-faced hero ready to face the world.
>>285391017Cu still has Gay Bulge Anti Army that he can boost to A rank with Runes.
>>285391029You would have wasted it when it was already harvested? Do you think that makes you a more moral person to dump it on the ground in front of them telling them "I shall not be part of this"? What's done is done at that point, they were already pretty dead.People hate Gilgamesh so much they don't even understand FSF is meant to be a reversal of FSN. With Gilgamesh protecting his loli master and Heracles trying to kill her. All they see is "Why isn't Gilgamesh killing tine right now??? This makes no sense Gilgamesh hates kids????? FSN told me he hates all kids????????? It makes no sense?????".
>>285390268>dying 6 times to UBWless EMIYABerserker Herk was always a worthless jobber.
>>285391107Cool, that's not going to get through 200+ hero killing demons. It's not like Jack is going to politely gather up so he can get a really good AoE. It's a very straightforward move that targets a single enemy even though it explodes.Simply put, there's Jacks to spare. Cu using Noble Phantasms is a lose state, he'll run out of energy before Jack runs out of Jacks.
>>285391139Cu has a Rune that can force a 1 vs 1 did you forget that?
>>285391100Yeah, they can look through them now, but they only bother if it's important to them. Which gives the writers license to do whatever they want
>>285388821it's completely impossible to make a satisfactory adaptation of the lb6
>>285390935He would remember.But it's like asking you if you remember everything you did when you're 3~5yo times 100.
>>285391165Yes and? Like he said there are Jacks to spare. There is no one real Jack that makes all the others disappear when he dies.
Didn’t realize how old Enkidu as a character was this dude was in Zero.
>>285391055>Only Chaldea's system preserves memories between summoningsIn UBW route Emiya talks about memories from various summoning being like books you could read at any time, but most people don't since its a hassle. This has been a thing literally since FSN, its just that no one reads shit.Andersen says grail wars are like genre stories with different rules; no it isn't "just FGO is the exception", in Extra Tamamo remembers her previous master. In Prototype Arthur remembers his previous master as well. You see retaining memories in at least a few grail wars, it wasn't created by FGO.The reason its a thing in FGO is mostly because you already saw their development in the other story, FGO is meant to carry on that development and show who they can become after that. Like Avicebron in LB1 remembering Apocrypha, regretting his choices, and deciding to make the other choice this time and prioritize his master, sacrificing himself to make the golem this time. Its only a meaningful choice because of what he chose in Apocrypha, its character development.
>>285391204So just keep going 1 vs 1 it's not like they can gang up on him.
>>285391050Nasu should have let Gen make Kariya rape her.
>>285391165First off, using a spell of compelled honor against an honorless murderer is probably futile out of the gate. Second off, who's to say that would even do a thing against Jack? They're all Jack. It's one foe with many bodies. Can Ath nGabla even define that as not being "one on one"? Third: Flat would analyze, decode, and deactivate that rune magic even if it WAS setting Jack back in any way.
Haha pretty strong servants there.HOWEVER, can they stand even a tiniest chance against Ars Almadel Salomanis?
>>285391260Reincarnation Pandora gg
>>285391216Yes, but the anime adaption omitted him.
>>285391216>this dude was in ZeroI mean, his corpse was, for a momentary flashback.
>>285389601Hasn't Gil's CCC route been translated for years now?
>>285390314Nevada isn't a complete desert
>>285391233FGO summoning system is different from both the Fuyuki system (something that almost if not all copies from it) and Alaya's Throne of Heroes.It's basically their own personal Throne, which actually allows them to record even anomalies like the Jeanne Alter fanfic by Gilles, or Extra classes and Lostbelt Servants whom trigger Alaya so hard Chaldea has to go through the Ordeal Call.Also Servants can grow stronger under the Chaldea system thanks to the Saint Graph reinforcement via feeding them ascension materials to get them as close as possible to their Heroic Spirit state.Which does explain why Chaldea Servants are much stronger than typical Servants in a normal-ish Grail War.
>>285388208I still think Huwawa should've knocked Alcides out of the war when it destroyed the industrial district and taken his place as the volume 9/10 big bad monster.
I'm confused. So how the fuck does the Throne of Heroes work?1. It's a massive magical archive of humanity's finest heroes (and sometimes villains) that exists outside time and it lends templates of said heroes that can be copied and made clones from during a HGW2. It's essentially magical valhalla that dispatches heroes as needed during a HGW and in-between HGWs, the heroes are just memory wiped and fully healed until they get summoned again in a new HGW.What's the proper and more accurate interpretation here?
>>285391233For FGO it's to explain that it's specifically the same instance that gets resummoned and not a new instance with those memories downloaded. Because a servant instance can also share memories with LB servants and servants from singularities and also from other timeline (let's say theoretically FSF in this case) as the Throne is atemporal, but the one you summoned is NOT the same person as the one that you knew.Furthermore, FGO also saves saint graph changes. So for example as in >>285391033 case you would get back that one and not a fresh copy.
>>285391333There's a difference between how heroic spirits and counter guardians are treated by the throne.
>>285386808since this is a fake holy grail war, would the holy grail artifact be fake as well? have we seen it yet?or will the holy grail artifact be shown in the true war that comes from the excitement on the leylines from the fake war?
>>285391333It's 1. However, when those copies and clones are done with their business, their activities are sent back as a record for the hero to essentially read as if a book. The hero will then transtemporally update and remember the events IF it was something they care deeply about. Which is not often, most grail wars are just "I fought some guys" to most heroes. But sometimes more important stuff happens, like falling in love, or finding an answer to a burning question.
>>285391333just know that Gilgamesh is above the throne and is the greatest servant ever #gilgamesh4lyfe
>Q: What kind of role does the World give to Heroic Spirits that aren't Guardians (Counter Guardians)? Also, what do magi call people with high divinity or are closer to the planet?>A: Heroic Spirits that aren't Guardians are simply treated as traditions that lend power to the later people. Those that became closer to the planet don't mix well with people so they fall into the categories of Divine Spirits and Elementals.Guardians are sent out like unpaid work horses and forced to constantly correct anomalies in the world and kill problems.Pure heroic spirits pretty much get to chill out in the throne, receiving some occasional worship.
>>285391333throne of heroes is an archive of powerful warriors created by Alaya to be cloned and deployed as Counter Guardians as neededthe holy grail war is a human invented hack that exploits the throne of heroes and forcefully summons clones to resolve the crisis that the grail war represents, and forces them to compete in the grail war by binding them with command seals during the summoning process
>>285391332francesca stopping/interrupting big fights like 2-3 times was pretty fucking lame all things considered, we're not even told wtf was the "deal" in that factory anyway, I guess Narita just bullshits through that because he didn't want important characters to lose quite yet or something, at least it was satisfying when Bazdilot beat the shit out her in this latest volume, and maybe in the 10th one she'll have a falling out with her servant form which may cause all sorts of chaos
How would they explain the glasses being broken by an extremely fast flying object which should have hit and exploded the building?Terrorist attack on American oil?
>>285391463the weather gets pretty crazy later on that's all I'll say about that anon
>>285391333Throne of heroes is a repository on Github. When you start an HGW you clone the servant and download an existing copy of all the records that the servant has into a fresh body which we call the servant container to your computer.When the servant "dies", we upload all the records back to the repo. All existing instances of the servants receive a download to get a copy of that dead servant's records. The original servant is still in the github repository, they haven't left it at all. Chaldea's system (as in, the gacha FGO), is like, what if instead of cloning a new copy of the servant and downloading the records from the website, we keep a backup on our computer instead? So when the servant dies, we can restore a backup of them with all of the changes from the folder I have on my computer instead of getting a new clone, so that they still have all their memories, instead of it stored like a book in a record. ie, we still have the original one and we haven't just cloned a new one.
>>285387879That's Avengers for you, keep in mind it's canon they start to break down if they get even slight happiness, therapy or contentment. Alcides being strong as fuck won't change the HEART AND SOUL of the class being designated suffer magnets by design.
>>285391447They can also voluntarily be summoned to solve problems when the world asks for bigger guns. These are the rogue servants you keep finding in Grand Order, the world blindly panic-summoning heroes into singularities because it knows something is wrong but is completely blind to the actual problems. So it just expends all the leylines it can get a hold of and you get a random slew of heroes who really would appreciate a master.
>>285391463mass hallucinations due to the gas explosion getting hallucinogenic gas across the city
>>285391333tl;dr it's 1, but the heroic spirit in question can view their cloned experience in a war if they want to. Most don't bother.
>>285386808I really hope they don't skip his summoning scene, it's such kino
>>285391507> Most don't bother.I mean, I get it. Imagine a heroic spirit going>Ah yes, I wonder what gallant adventure I went to in another lifetime?Only to read and find >"You died like a bitch lol.">"You become fodder to summon another servant lmao">"You became the sex slave to some fat fuck master in some weirdly very horny permutation of the universe kek"
>>285391233Tamamo remembers because summoning in the Moon Cell different. It's like a waiting room, Nero being a weirdo who never comes out until she gets Hakuno.Arthur remembers because he's in the same state as Artoria.
>>285391493That's only really in FGO, because the grail believes there must always be a counter force. if the villain controls all the servants in a singularity, the grail goes "no", and shits out an equal number of good heroic spirits. The grail doesn't except unfair conditions for a war.There have been a few times where a grail has decided the conditions for a war aren't equal and has intervened, like summoning a ruler.
>>285391259The copies are from his NP dude that's like saying Iskandar can still use Ionoi Heitaroi or something. And depending on how the rune works, if it takes away shit from the enviroment as not honorable, From Hell becomes super weak.
>>285391462I thought it was explained as the mafia abducting thousands of civilians and melting them into mana batteries to keep Alcides operating at full strength the entire war
>>285391557imagine reading>you won several grueling battles and your master used a command spell to make you kill yourself
>>285391581They're still the same guy. They're not other people. It requires conceptually defining "one on one", which only the author can do, not you or I.
>>285388505Fate route needs a VN remake before an anime remake. The entire route must be rewritten from the ground up, otherwise it's an introductory route with everything already spoiled by previous works. It would have been a nightmare to adapt
>>285388721I hate to use the t. word, but bro, Gilgamesh has been like this since hollow ataraxia. He's always been a flamboyant joker. FGO did not make that up. It was Zero that first showcased him with some real dignity but he's in a pissy mood in the middle of a shitty war. Gilgamesh is normally someone who mixes pleasure and fun in what he does.
>>285391557It's also a clever solution around the problem in SF and fantasy where immortals get too many memories and either go schizo from it or have to store their memories elsewhere or have to find an unethical way to expand their memory storage.
>>285391593no I meant that time where francesca stops their fight, between Ishtar + berserker vs Avenger + Bazdilot, she just drops in, creates an illusion and strkes a "deal" with them so they just stop figthing for some reason, although that "deal" is never really explained, just like how she makes up some snow and stops gil vs avenger vs hippo
>>285391597The only way you can top this embarrassment is if you agreed to do it out of sentimentality
>>285391557>"You became the sex slave to some fat fuck master in some weirdly very horny permutation of the universe kek"Bros, doujins are canon?
>>285389660Logically Saber would win because it is both "The Strongest Class" and "Her best Class", if not for the fact that Asassin Artoria is MHX who is minmaxxed to be Anti-Artoria, if not for the fact seeing MHXX (Her future self) being a Wagecuck would break her spirit. Which means it goes back to Saber.*Unless they are Astolfo.
>>285391776FGO already confirmed it, there's a fantasy tree that is called Spectrum M and based around comiket.
>>285391810>Spectrum MKek
>EMIYA sitting in the throne suffering>Takes a look a record>"Don't paradox yourself, faggot!">EMIYA sighs
I want this to happen.>Fillia Ishtar gets added to FGO>My Room conservation with Rin Ishtar>IT WAS YOU! YOU STOLE GUGALANNA!
i wish Gilgamesh was real irl
>>285391941>Ishtar: It was me. It was me. It was me. It was me. It was me. It was me.
someone on /a/ told me Nasu hated Zero because it was popular while being written by someone else ('butcher), but he chose to write this Strange/Fake thing as a follow up, anyway?>inb4 trusting /a/
>>285392039Strange Fake is Baccano guy
>>285392039Nasu wrote Fate Stay NightUrobuchi wrote Fate ZeroNarita wrote Strange/Fake
>>285392039Nasu doesn't hate Zero. He greatly respects Urobuchi. But he was little jealous that that Butcher wrote a more compelling Gilgamesh.
Reminder that without Spider-Man 2 by Sam Raimi, Fate/Zero would have never existed as it did.>Gen Urobuchi: I remember watching Spiderman II. When I saw Peter wishing that he doesn't have the powers that changed his body, I also thought 'Perhaps, I wish to never write another script again!' Therefore, I visited my friend Nasu Kinoko's house on the afternoon of the next day, and wanted to tell him my true intention. But before I spoke with him about what I've been thinking in my heart, Takashi Takeuchi got ahead of me and started talking. And as soon as he spoke he brought up an unthought-of proposal.
>>285392091Absolute kino
>>285391333here's a more fundamental question which I kinda struggle with>heroes are all these crazy amazing beings>said amazing beings are really strong and dense in magic>summoning one is crazy work and takes a lot of mana>so we make a ritual to use a dense leyline land to summon 7 of them>and then kill them to fill the lesser cup so then later the greater one can workbut wait, like wtf? why even have this half step then? if the mana is already there in the leylines of the land, why not just fucking use it then? why go through the trouble of summoning great heroes, and killing them off to get the mana you used to summon them back in the first place?this would be like if I'm really thirsty so I'll drink a bunch of water to piss a ton and then filter that piss so I can drink it again, like why not just drink the fucking water then? it makes no sense, although I'm sure there's plenty of "flowery" writing ways you could bullshit around to say the ritual is necessary I guess and I just grant/accept that so the story can happen, but it still feels a little silly on a fundamental premise level
>>285392137>if the mana is already there in the leylines of the land, why not just fucking use it then?The Great Grail system is a part of the Third Magic, it works only on souls. It doesn't do a thing to natural mana from a leyline. The heroic spirits held in the Lesser Grail essentially make it "spin". And the power outputted is explicitly greater than the power inputted; it's a multiplier that defies conservation. Putting the mana in won't multiply anything, because again; the Third Magic only works on souls.Magic is bullshit like that. Very specific rules.
>>285392198>And the power outputted is explicitly greater than the power inputted; it's a multiplier that defies conservation.so it's a perpetual motion machine? no wonder this scam failed 5 times lmao
>>285392039>>285392061Everything goes back to Tsuki.Nasu: Although at first I didn't feel like turning stay night into a game. It was 2000. We'd just gotten back from Winter Comiket, where we'd sold Tsukihime. We went to Kamata and dined on curry. In between mouthfuls of food, Takeuchi told me, [Well Nasu-san, the next thing for us to make into a game and sell will be stay night.] That was something he'd been telling me for a while. At the time, I had no desire to go back and restructure something I'd already given up on, and Takeuchi's suggestion [You should turn Saber into a girl] made me wonder what the heck he was thinking. Shortly after that, I was headed back towards Chiba on an airplane from Narita airport, and I got to thinking about a new version of the story. I called Takeuchi on the phone and said [This might work. Let's give it a shot.] After that, I began to work on producing a different version of stay night.Urobuchi: It had a different design orginally. The main character was a girl, and most of the Servants were male. The setup of the story was interesting, and I think it might have been received well.Nasu: At the time, I wasn't thinking of making it into a game that'd be welcomed be female fans.Takeuchi: If it's going to be a bishoujo game, it'll be difficult to release if the protagonist is a woman. So we started to discuss the idea of replacing the protagonist with a male.Urobuchi: At the time, I was hearing amazing things about a doujin game called Tsukihime, and apparently it had some great-looking jacket art. It was a bishoujo game, and the demand for it was unheard of. As someone who works in the same field, I became interested in knowing Nasu-san. When he wanted to interview me, I graciously accepted.
>>285392223>so it's a perpetual motion machine?Correct.
>>285392268>Nasu: by the way, there's no such thing as infinite parallel worlds.>Rin: !!!??? (she is shocked and has no idea what he's saying)
>>285392268Did someone say Perpetual Motion Machine?
>>285388688FABULOUS!
>>285392137It's also worth noting that if you are a servant fucker like I am sure at least half this thread is, you don't need to kill your servant to incarnate them or to make any worldly wish (also the servant will get their own wish). You only need to kill all the servants to reach the root.
>>285390674Bratty old man... needs correction...
>>285390155And yet they'd be quickest to eradicate. Kariya was drained completely dry after a relatively short fight between Saber and Lancelot. Granted, it was Lancelot getting serious and pulling out Arondight to do battle, so he was pulling all of the mana he could from Kariya, but all it would take for Gilgamesh to force the same would be to take the kid gloves off like he was about to during their first meeting when he opened up the Gate of Babylon wider. Lancelot can only handle so many weapons at a time, so he'd need to push forward aggressively, which would likely seal Kariya's fate sooner rather than later. A little muscle, some goading, and a game of keepaway would be plenty to end Team Berserker. I imagine Lancelot would get frustrated pretty quickly and unwittingly kill Kariya within minutes.
>>285388713Tokiomi is the sort of person Gilboy hates
>>285392487I think the number of worlds is still effectively infinite despite the Pruning Phenomenon. Like how there's an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2.
>Jesus appearing or being summoned will end the worldWell, that's kinda interesting
>>285391581In the fight between Jack and Cerberus, Jack was feeding himself to Cerberus by the dozens. There's no true body he has that can be killed which kills all his bodies, they're all fake, because he's a living concept. He's the concept of a killer lurking in the dark, there are always more Jack's.For like half of FSF servants the only way to end them is just to kill the master.
Flat and Jack are funny, I hope they make it
>>285386808Why does Roa not want to be a servant? >>285387045Shame it wasn’t Gil who meet her in the underworld, would have been kind to add another loli to the group.
>>285392620This is still the funniest fate comic, I encourage everyone to read itSaint young men x Fate crossoverhttps://imgur.com/a/fate-x-saint-young-man-JENgFMf
>>285392663I wonder what Kirei would say if he met Jesus Christ.
>>285392620?No shit anon, the entire “Jesus returns and the world ends while he fights the Anti Christ” is a key part of the story.
>>285392732yes it would be the most interesting encounter
>>285386808More Faldeus and police chief with their respective glowie mooks. I like the blend of shadowy corporate/government agencies, magic, and advanced/hyper advanced tech. All that's missing is a dose of "humanity, fuck yeah". I also like the loli and her mysterious blob.
>>285386808More vamps
>>285392567Zero Lancelot cannot use Arondight against Gilgamesh because that version still had a lock on his other NPs as long as he used Arondight. Extella Link and FGO lifted that lock and he can use a swordbeam plus everything else at the same time but back then he couldn't.Kariya's worms could apparently keep Knight of Owner Lancelot going for hours even if he died, but Arondight burned through all that in 10 seconds. He legit cannot win but is the one who would last the longest. He has the capability to withstand GoB because according to Materials, if Diarmuid listens to Kayneth and gimps Gil in a hit and run, Lancelot WILL beat him, and gimping Gil wouldn't do shit to GoB output, it would only like, gimp his mobility/close quarters defense and maybe lock Ea like it did for Excalibur.
Are they going to do anime original route or will they adapt it as a whole?
>>285390836No, the FSN crew is legitimately bullshit but mostly all held back in some way. >SaberShit-tier master who can't support her and doesn't want her to fight. Under a good master she's got a lot of raw power to work with.>ArcherMiddling servant who isn't allowed to indulge in his specialty of fucking with everyone and scoring dishonorable kills. Rin is too good-natured to fully utilize him.>LancerBad master who actively nerfs him and only wants to use him as a scout and harassment tool. He has the tools to kill nearly every other servant in a straight fight, but ends up losing the element of surprise due to Kirei's nerf meaning he has to expose himself once before he can actually try.>RiderShit-tier master who can't support her and throws her into dangerous situations despite that. Her eyes alone KO a ton of opponents and the Pegasus is no joke. Under Sakura she can go toe-to-toe with Saber Alter for a time despite how lopsided the matchup is.>False AssassinA masterful swordsman who is bound to one location and, by sheer luck, had his sword ruined in the first encounter with Saber. He beats a lot of "normal" combatants in feats of arms.>True AssassinHe's crafty and his Noble Phantasm is no joke. He makes Zealot looks like a bull in a china shop with how much finesse he has by comparison. His main issue is that his master got jumped by the one guy who could actually really hurt him in the war.>CasterOne of the best mages in history with magecraft close to Magic in application, but her desire to be Kuzuki's wife softened her and she made mistakes. She was the closest to operation at full capacity aside from True Assassin.>BerserkerIllya made him extra retarded on purpose and it's easily his worst class he qualifies for, but God Hand alone means certain servants in FSF just can't beat him.The full statement is that each FSN is a 10-0 matchup against at least one of the FSF servants though.
>>285392766>picA lot of the Nasuverse is eerily similar to WoD, especially Mage.Even stuff like servant stats and skills being 1-5 at base.
>>285392843>Are they going to do anime original route or will they adapt it as a whole?They aren't adapting the entire novel
>>285392857>The full statement is that each FSN is a 10-0 matchup against at least one of the FSF servants though.Explain?
>>285392843They're not gonna do an animal original route. They're just going to adapt part of the light novels, and wait a long ass time until Narita does the final volume. The one time we were going to have anime original route with Fate was with stuff like Tachie (original Mashu) for the DEEN anime, and even that got cut.
>>285392921they probably don't need to waitthe final volume is coming soon(tm) and it won't get adapted in s2 or s3 which is many years away at best
>>285392843Studios stopped doing anime original routes nearly a decade ago, grandpa/ma
All I remember from the novel is that they plan to dismantle the Fuyuki Grail System and that Waiver's students appeared to intervene and also Maiya got raped and Sigma wasn't Kerry's bastard child.
>>285392864How so? Mage cosmology is pretty different. The feel of being a mage is very different aside from the concept of Ascension which maps onto reaching the root, but only superficially. There's no equivalent to a magic crest and the way mage bloodlines operate in WoD MTA. No Paradox in Fate either. At least not in the direct way it works in MTA. With Vampires, you could say that the 27 dead apostles are kinda like Antediluvians but again, they're really not. The concept of bloodlines and generations is basically nonexistent with Nasu's vampire stuff. And again the cosmology/metaphysics are completely different.
>>285390912>SnowfieldIt's just Nevada in English
>>285392886According to Narita, each Servant in FSF has one counterpart in FSN that they would lose to 10 out of 10 times. Under basically no circumstance would the FSF Servant win against their nemesis. It's a matter of fact he designed each of them with. So it's not that the Servants in FSN are stronger on the whole, but rather that each one of them poses a specific threat to at least one of the FSF Servants.
>>285393013So he's Emiya's 10-0 match up?
>>285392986Yeah, I was mostly talking superficial stuff like that, not saying it maps perfectly to it. Should have been more clear there. Though speaking of the root, True Mages are essentially Oracles. The new Tsuki stuff also has ranks for DA to measure powerlevels. Though that might map better to Requiem's Blood Potency than Generation.Like, it's different enough that I wouldn't call it a rip-off, but I wouldn't be surprised if Nasu took some inspiration from WoD stuff back in the 90's.
>>285393013Who could possibly force a 10/10 win streak against Enkidu?
>>285393013>>285393071Meant, who is Emiya's 10-0 matchup?
>>285387644People don't actually know anything about Japan if they think anyone under 60 still thinks working harder will make it all work out
>>285393086Gil probably. He will flatly refuse to go all out against a fake, which would result in another Shirou scenario.
>>285393085Angra forma de Grail?
>>285393013Not even all Servants from the 5th put together at the same time can beat Alcides.
>>285393101While Gil won't go fully serious against a Fake, Archer is a Servant, not a human like Shirou. I feel Gil would take him the tiniest bit more seriously because of it.
>>285393085Enkidu is weak to things with the curse of death, they're the one thing that will hammer him because it works on a conceptual weakness, Gilgamesh and Enkidu both say as much.Cu's Gay Bulge is a death curse. So, I'd guess that Cu is Enkidu's 10-0 matchup, one auto-hit from the NP and Enkidu is done.
>>285386808It will be weird seeing Herc talking normally.
>>285393146>A LCKlmao no Cu jobs as per usual.
>>285393146Even worse for Enkidu, Cu has protection against arrows. He lasted 12 hours against Gil himself, so he can spend all that time dodging Enkidu's shit.
>>285393118Alcides would canon lose to real Heracles, so real Heracles probably beats him.
>>285393079I can see that. Typemoon magecraft is kind of "anything goes" in the sense that we see mages whose methods draw from all sorts of real-life occult/mystical stuff and it tends to be pretty individualistic while still adhering to a broad cultural template. but of course it doesn't go as far as paradigms. There's also the secrecy and amorality although MTA mages usually have all sorts of mental gymnastics about that while Typemoon mages are charmingly upfront about it.
>>285393171LOL name one single thing Herakles has that can beat Alcides. Just 1. Reminder the Nemean Pelt outright blocks all Nine Lives except Bare Handed.
>>285393207Plus the hydra venom can literally go through all 12 lives at once
>>285393171Herk would canonically straight up get oneshotted by a single Hydra poison arrow.
>>285393118Alcides is just another kind of swallow.
>>285393146Enkidu.Literally.Does not have a heart.He is a mass of clay. He does not have vital organs.A curse of death is means inflicting DEATH ITSELF. Gae Bolg is a curse of fate and a demonic weapon, but it is miles from a curse of death.
>>285393171>one guy can use Nine Lives to kill immortal beings>the other guy can only smack with his normal attacks and hope that his opponents don't have anti-immortal/resurrection np
>>285393253I welcome other suggestions, anon. Narita says he deliberately designed them to lose 10-0 to a FSN Servant, if you have a better thought on which of the FSN ones he intends would take out Enkidu you're welcome to offer it.
>>285393118Man, you people massively overrate that edgelord. He loses to anyone heroic with good Luck because it means fate will literally be on their side against him.
>>285393171Alcides has his intellect, is super really strong, and has bunch of busted tools. Heracles is just a dumb brute in the Berserker Class. It's his worst class for a reason, anon.
>>285393251Nemean Lion Pelt gg. The only one that I can see MAYBE winning is Memedea AFTER Alcides RPs From Hell. Before that he has no weakness to Magic, so it's not even a 10/10 even in that case.
Watching this anime I am reminded why I don't like strange fakeIt reads like Narita's bad fanfiction
>>285393127He's still a faker who copies other people's tools and would dare put his hands on imitations of Gil's treasures. He'd think of him as a mongrel not worth his notice most of the time.Being a Servant doesn't really make you not a fake in his eyes.
Here's a better question, could Kuzuki buffed by Medea surprise kill any Strange Fake servant like he killed Medusa offscreen?
>>285393298Just like how Gil's high luck means he would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
>>285393285Maybe Medea could cook up some bullshit hex that would still work through his Magic Resistance based on a conceptual basis.
>>285393312Nemean Lion pelt is also a swallow. And he's gonna fucking slay that fucking swallow.
>>285393085Emiya.AoB ≈ GoB in speed.UBW >>> AoB in speed, Enkidu’s weapons have no special abilities so UBW is better in that way too, plus inside the reality marble Enkidu might not even be able to use his sword spam at all.
Could Alcides steal UBW?
>>285393331All of the luck in the world won't save you from literally throwing away the win by ignoring every single sign telling you to watch your ass.It took multiple people with specific means to actually "kill" him in Strange Fake.
>>285393318I didn't say Gil wouldn't see Archer as Fake. He literal calls him Faker when they meet each other in the Castle. I'm saying he'd take it at least 2% more seriously than he did against Shirou since Archer is still a servant, which could be trouble for Archer.
>>285393298>FSN>good LCKCheck the LCK stat of all those Servants. Medusa has D, EMIYA and Cu have E, Medea, Herk and Saber have B, merely matching him.
>>285386948He's Herc Alter.You have to understand what the alter servants are to understand Alcides.On its barest level, you have to fundamentally change one thing about that servant's story in order to make an alter.In the story of Heracles, he is fucked over completely by Hera. She drives him insane and in his madness he kills his family. He then accomplishes 12 labors as penance for his crime of killing his family, and Zeus offers him a place among the gods for it. He is treated as a monster by everyone on Earth but is loved dearly by his friends (mainly the Argonauts but not exclusively)Alcides' """story""" is one where he NEVER forgives Hera for what she did to him. He NEVER excuses Zeus for letting that cunt destroy everything Herc loves. He still loves his friends as they never did him any wrong, and he absolutely can't tolerate how Herc himself ever chose to join the gods.And so that's Alcides' ethic. He loves humanity and hates divinity. He hates Gods so severely that he never removes that towel from his face because he looks like Zeus.Pic related is Alcides talking about his best friend, Jason.
>>285393364Saber fucks him over because she's actually a straight up archetypal hero. Fate would conspire to hand her the win even if it was a hard fought battle.
>>285393328>Nemean Lion Pelt doesn't protect from barehanded attacksOH NO NO NO NO ALCIDESBROS.... WE ARE JOBBING TO A HIGHSCHOOL TEACHER...
>>285393285Occam's razor says Narita is just full of shit, just like Nasu
>>285393351Wouldn't Enkidu just suck Emiya's mana inside the UBW instead?
>>285393390Reincarnation Pandora gg and Saber loses her only way to even fight.
Why didn't Heracles fucked Jason
>>285393354That's a really weird question. I want to say yes and no.Yes, it's his NP, so it should be something he can steal.No, because it's a reality marble, an internal world made external. You can't really steal somebody's mindset and attitude, can you? And even if he can "steal" it, he can't use it because even Shirou himself couldn't use UBW after abandoning his ideal in HF, it's fundamentally incompatible with anybody other than the user. It's like trying to steal Ea from Gilgamesh, the very existence of Ea is "can only be owned and possessed by Gilgamesh" which is why Lancelot's Knight of Owner doesn't work on Ea. I have to think that it'd be the same outcome for UBW.He could absolutely steal something projected FROM the reality marble, though.
>>285393409Did you even read that before you wrote that?Fate, a series, does not work on >Reincarnation Pandora gg or anything of the sort. Every time one of you people say something like that, just remember that fate and THE PLOT is a literal, tangible force in the world of Fate that matters more than the stats written on the page.
>>285393354Not a chance.UBW isn't an NP. Archer says it as such.It's literally his brain. It changes with his worldview.That would be the concept of undoing how Archer sees the world.
>>285389805If its Ankoman expect her to be raped by a femboy
I'm ready for the stupid sounding Richard theme while he does some dumb knightly shit. My reaction will be "this is so corny that it's peak".https://youtu.be/qpN0n0OA7xY
>>285393374Alcides and Alter Ego Gil are gonna end up joining forces to fuck Huwawa and Enkidu.
>>285393374So somebody absolutely human from among the FSN HGW would be the one to beat him?
>>285393397Or you're giving too much credit to stats and skills when they always get bent or fail to work in predictable ways whenever the plot needs them to. If the author says that someone would always lose, then that's pretty firm.
>>285393435Strange fake takes place in a tsuki world, the “fate” (counter force helping people) you talk about has no sway
Heracles is kind of a bit too perfect. Even as strong as Gilgamesh is, his Ego can fuck him over. Heracles is cunning, strong, fast, has plenty of dangerous tools, divinity, and is just all around great guy. Basically the perfect Hero. That's why the only you can right a story with him in it, and not have him just God stomp everything, is too massively nerf him, or significantly change his character. Which makes me ask, why even include him at all if you're just gonna disservice this badly?
Alcides is so fucking boring. Grinds everything to a halt. People complain about El Melloi Scooby Doo class but at least they have personalities.
>>285393466No, it takes place in a blended world where vampires and the human order have equal strength. The fact that the Throne of Heroes and Heroic Spirits exist means that fate is at work as a tangible force.
>>285393420>which is why Lancelot's Knight of Owner doesn't work on EaThat is never stated anywhere lmao. What doesn't work is UBW replicating Ea. That's from an interview that came from Fate Zero btw so if the same restriction applied to Knight of Owner they would have outright stated it. Also Alcides steals your Graph, he can deploy UBW just fine.
>>285393477he had a pretty bad temper even without Hera screwing him over
>>285393439Stealing someone's brain sounds easier than their 'crystallization of legends' for some reason.At least in my head.I guess Emiya could suffer a really bad mental wound if Pale Rider hits him in UBW, or Jack with his demons?
>>285393435Bro Excalibur can't even get past the Nemean Lion Pelt wtf are you talking about.
>>285393477Because Fate has always been about subversion. Everything gets subverted and "the rules" are, at the best of times, misunderstood and are straight lies (to the characters in-world) at the worst. Herakles IS the biggest, most famous hero, which is exactly why Nasu subverted him into being a mid-boss and actual jobber at times in Stay Night.
>>285393477Hercules is literally just “we’ll have them kill him to make his opponent look strong”, unfortunately the gaining resistance and immunity part has basically been retconned and now the lives are just health bars instead of actually being useful.
>>285393455There is actually some speculation that Sigma will kill Alcides>Sigma is a greek symbol>Sigma is a human>Sigma is accomplishing several "trials" (analogous to labors) given to him by Watcher that, when completed, Sigma will have already have become the Lancer servant>just about every fate story except FSN has had some teenager (even though Sigma is supposed to be like 26 or something) vs a top tier servant at its climax (Shirou vs Gilgamesh, Sieg vs Karna, etc.)
>>285393354YesIt's not just items he can stealIt's legendsConcepts
>>285387072For me it's Filia's shot.
>>285393525So Hercules is the Worf of Fate?
>>285393548That implies of Deep Fate Nine sometime in the future wherein Herc is finally allowed to be badass after making an ultimatum to the writing department.
>>285393527Sigma is gonna end up the same way his mother did if he faces Alcides.
>>285393525>the gaining resistance and immunity part has basically been retconnedDidn't Shirou and Saber burn through several of his lives with a single attack?
>>285393374>On its barest level, you have to fundamentally change one thing about that servant's story in order to make an alter.>In the story of Heracles, he is fucked overTo be an alter is to betray whatever value you hold most important For Heracles it's his heroism, the heroic nature that would never hurt a child and would punish villains
>>285393519The Nemean Lion Pelt has gaps and can't cover Alcides' entire body at once. He had to actively defend against Gilgamesh shooting at him with the Gate of Babylon. More importantly, Excalibur isn't made by human civilization. It's a fae-forged weapon of the planet, which the Nemean Lion Pelt can't reject. It's like the weakest defense he could possibly put forward against it.So I ask, what the fuck are you talking about if you don't even know the most basic points of the what Noble Phantasm does?
I need weird story where Noel of all people becomes a Master in a Grail War and she's panicking. She somehow becomes third to last to die.
>>285393557They made him Grand Berserker in FGO.
>>285393557Make it so, Nasu.
>>285393094Nasu is an old fart anyway, that anon could be right. These rich retards tend to grow disconnected from reality.
>>285393568Yes, which was always possible. A single, sufficiently powerful attack could burn through multiple lives, but then he would recover and gain immunity to it. Now he merely gains resistance to what kills him, but can still potentially be killed by it anyway.
>>285393568Nasu himself admits that was an asspull anon.
>>285393527Don't forget that Asclepius is one of Watcher's Shadows.Sigma has inside knowledge on Herc's powers.
>>285393477He had to beg the gods to save/kill him after getting hit by the mix of centaur and hydra blood though, so he does have a defined weakness.>perfectHe seethed all the time and even killed Hippolyta even though she was ready to get bred by him and giving him her gridle.
>>285393595I'm just pointing out that something that in practice was never a thing can't be retconned.
>>285387644I never liked the whole “nooooo one person can’t cause change over all of society it’s wrong to let someone do that” despite that being how it works in the real world. For some reason making humans immortal near omnipotent gods is wrong.
I need more pairings like this.
>>285393572Gilgamesh tried using Merodach vs Alcides and Alcides straight up laughed in his faced while charging up Goddess of War.
>>285386948>>285387037>>285387062
>>285393489In a way it's somewhat similar to LB Zeus gattai with other machine gods and while he indeed could use their authorities, he also became a schizoid and slowly fucked up his own lifespan.
>>285393621What thaumaturgic shampoo does Berserker use to get hair like that?
>>285393572Nah, you need a range of NPs to go up against him. Use your trump card, which is Excalibur for Saber, and Alcides steals it. He'd recognise it as soon as she took Invisible Air down to shoot it, remember Diarmuid and others all comment that no Heroic Spirit could fail to recognise that sword.He'd steal that shit before she was halfway through saying "Excalibur".
>>285393523>he said as King Arthur and Excalibur never lost in any important momentslollmao
>>285393578>Grand Duelslmao that's gameplay brother.
>>285393631Merodach isn't proto-Excalibur. It's more akin to a proto-Caliburn or Gram. It's a sword of selection meant to test. Excalibur is a whole different beast.>>285393641I seriously doubt she'd go straight for Excalibur against him. She'd likely engage him in melee, which she possesses the skill to do.
>>285388929She cute.
>>285387644>it's time for you to grow up, get a job and then a big titty wife and stop with all this escapism UBW nonsensenasu has said in interviews that he was inspired by evangelion, but was evangelion inspired by nasu? think about it
>>285393477Because a lot of anime follows the rule that "jobbing is quality ingrained in some characters and no amount of power can save a character from their own jobbing". Gilgamesh and Heracles aren't the only ones. A lot of anime characters have the the nature of a jobber and they can't just not job no matter how strong they are. A jobber finds a way.
>>285393621
>>285393571This is also a lie, or at least 'just relatively change your way of thinking'.
So Ayaka can or cannot give Saber orders via command spells?
>>285393654>She'd likely engage him in meleeShe's dead then. Alcides can use Nine Lives bare handed.
>>285393582>>285393094"Creators" literally get rich without working real jobs while having grown up listening to their parents tell them about bubble era economics and "lifetime employment" so they ARE detached enough from reality that they could still be shitting out boomer takes even if they're technically too young to have been around for itI was livid when Kimishira actually did that "alternative lifestyles are escapism and you must wear a suit and become a salaryman" ending since it was a betrayal to the yuri genre and also literally coming from a man literally living off skeb
>>285393691Not yet.
>>285393665>A lot of anime characters have the the nature of a jobber and they can't just not job no matter how strong they are. A jobber finds a way.Poor Kumagawa. At least he won the popularity poll three times in a row.
>>285393654>It's more akin to a proto-Caliburn or Gram.Both weapons said to rival Excalibur. Caliburn can deliver a one time Excaliblast tier attack.
>tfw Achilles' 1v1 me bro np could be the answer to Alcides' np stealing np
>>285393654>Merodach isn't proto-Excalibur. It's more akin to a proto-Caliburn or Gram. It's a sword of selection meant to test. Excalibur is a whole different beast.If anything that would make it more effective against Herc because excalibur is made to fight aliens and beasts
>>285393723Achilles Final Destination NP has to be consented too.
>>285393723>Of course. I can't kick your ass without walking toward you.
Gilgamesh is a bottom for Enkidu
>>285393654>melee with the guy who has Nine LivesThat's an incredibly stupid idea. Berserker Herc literally doesn't have access to it (Illya seals it) and he was still almost unstoppable without Shirou's Caliburn bullshit. Melee with Alcides is going to fuck her, Invisible Air won't breach the pelt, and once Excalibur is out he has it.The only way melee would be a stupider idea is if she did it against Saber Heracles.
>>285393718>Draw a girl>Call it a boy
>>285393667Doesn't do it for me. At least not yet. Gil is too small, physically, and far too egotistical. Tine is too composed and too stable. She seems to respect him or at least understand how to play to his ego. What I liked about the Illya/Berserker pairing is how damaged both of them were. His devotion, her desperate, somewhat sad, attachment, and the inseparability of their bond. I do have some hope for this pair though. I like how he's trying to educate her, and I hope she becomes more of a wildcard who develops her own idiosyncratic values and goals, rather than working for that gay little native American thing.
>>285393723Achilles indeed does seem to counter Alcides for the most part. He has no Divinity and no Divine Constructs that we know of so far, so he's forced to go for the heel or RP Akhilleus Kosmos if he wants to inflict any sort of damage at all. It's an uphill battle for Alcides for sure.
>don't worry Master, leave Alcides to me
>>285393763Kumagawa doesn't resemble a trap in anyway.
>>285393744Everyone knows that Gil also says that Enkidu can even be more schizo than even himself
>>285393787On the other hand, I think Alcides would immediately recognise Achilles without even needing to fight him, so he'd know what to start stealing with Reincarnation Pandora, including the Heel. The question is would Alcides be willing to take the divine blessing of the Styx, since he despises the gods as an Avenger.
>>285393641>>285393519>>285393435>send nobunaga and nobunaga against him>Have nobukatsu use his NP>herc steals it>herc dies to power up nobunaganob wins again
>>285393787>Alcides has no DivinityActually he has a trophy from all 12 of his labors. The labor of retrieving the belt of Ares, which allows him to directly fuel divinity into his arrows without moving it through himself first.He mainly does this specifically to prove he's a superior servant to Hippolyta, wherein that belt is her only NP and it's only one of 14 of his.
>faldeus and assassin>gil vs alcides>alcides summoning>hippo>saber rocking outit's kind of a lot for next week, innit?
>>285393863I'm fairly certain they want to end the season with Flat's death, so they do need to step on it a little.
>>285393863Bro True Assassin's summoning was dogshit
>>285393831Even if he did that Alcides then would have nothing to reply to Achilles deplying Kosmos and would get squashed like a bug under the miniature world. It's an extremely hard battle for the edgelord.
>>285393798>STELLAAAAAAA>Alcides has one extra life>Arash does not
>>285393876all the anime onlys think he summoned pinocchio
>>285393882Arash's regular arrows are supposed to hit with the force of a low ranked NP.
>>285393886technically Peter Pan entered public domain recently.He could be a servant.I bet his NP would be a reality marble of Neverland or some shit.
>>285393848Yeah I know he has Goddess of War but he doesn't use it like Hippolyta. I don't remember the sash ever mentioned being a Divine Construct.
>>285393886I know. He's supposed to go back to his desk and shit himself when he realizes that Assassin used his own hand to write the note
>>285393907I don't think it was either.But it DID explicitly channel divinity through her body and through his bow.
>>285393848He skipped leg day.
>>285393684No I mean that's literally the official explanation they gave for how alters work after like ten years. You are calling Nasu himself a lie because it doesn't align with your idea of how it works Whatever you value most, you have to betray on a core level
>>285393903>Nemean Lion PeltI sleep.
>>285393903Wow, that's impressive. In fact, it sounds a lot like someone else I know, I think his name was Heracles.
>>285393929Wasn't it originally that Alters were different aspects of the heroes? Like Artoria Alter is the tyrant people thought Arthur was
>>285393848Having divinity doesn't automatically mean you can beat Achilles though given that he's still a hardcore hero who could keep fighting through sheer willpower and skill.>in Apoc he beat Atalanta Alter>in the Apoc collab event him and Chiron alone stalled 10+ servants who were buffed with divinity and the ability to use their np for a whole night>in lb5 he stalled centaur Chiron and their superhuman nanomachine-buffed army after giving like two-third of his arsenal to his friendsHe's like an anti-Herc in the sense that even when losing his stuffs he could still beat his enemies or fulfill his duty.
>>285393958They're like dark versions of the hero kinda, things that don't naturally exist. They aren't natural versions of a hero or else they would just be alt classes.Saber values her kingship, her righteous idealistic way of leading, she betrays it by becoming a tyrant
If Alcides has Marmyadose as one of thr King's Order NPs it's fucking over.
>>285394006He's an archer, he doesn't have his sword.
where can i find the manga?it's not in the page im using rn
>>285394086https://mangataro.org/manga/fate-strange-fake
>>285393013Who could realistically beat Mr. Black?
>>285394104
>>285393723Achilles isn't even allowed to try and fight Zerk Herc in Chaldea because the staff knows he'll get brain damage. In a CQC 1v1 duel he's not winning against the greatest CQC fighter to ever live.
>>285394006He can't use it. Marmyadose is a MMC. If he goes back to his Origin he'll likely cleanse himself into becoming Heracles again. And he probably doesn't have it anyway, it wasn't part of the Labors, it was part of the Gigantomachia.
>>285394184Alcides =/= Herc
>>285394223MMC?
>>285394238Yes, Alcides actually has fine motor capabilities and access to his mind and skill. Which means he'll shit on Achilles even harder than zerk Herc could.
>>285393285I'd say Artoria. Enkidu's Enuma Elish reacts to attacks against the world, and Excalibur pretty much IS the world, so it'd be at its weakest. Whereas Gil's Enuma Elish is only slightly stronger than Excalibur, Enkidu's should end up much weaker.
>>285394254Mythological Mystic Code.
>>285394282What the fuck does that even mean?Stop making weird jargon.
>>285394316I can't help you if you're a quaternary, anon
>>285394006He wouldn't. Marmyadose was given to him by Vulcan on a different adventure, it wasn't associated with the Twelve Labors that King's Order pulls from.
>>285393691She doesn't even have command spells. It's repeatedly noted that she's covered in "tattoos LIKE command spells", but never once in all 9 novels is what she's covered in called command spells.
>Heracles gets transformed into Alcides>Vol.9 happens, Heracles appears to Alcides in spirit form, talks shit, and implies he's doing something in the background to counteract AlcidesWhat the fuck kind of wank is this man
>>285388505DEEN's Fate exists. Nothing can beat it atmospherically.
>>285394358She's such a semen demon, bros. Cannot resist her.
Guys, before the thread ends...Any news on Redline?
>>285388713His clay fuckboi bff is here, so he's in a very good mood.
>>285393846That without Nobunaga was basically the plot of the Glasses Event in FGO if i remember right.>Monster of the week steals all powers and NPs used in the singularities.>The heroic servants basically do non-violent games of intellect to manifest the grail instead of a war.>Throws Nobukatsu to nerf the MoW when it stupidly copies the NP and then kill it to solve the Singularity.
