>Weak>Ugly>Stupid>Sacrifices everything just to be cucked by her best friendKek, hard to believe such a pathetic character even has fans.
i relate
>>285506301Cuckyakabros..
>>285506301SHE'S WEAKSHE'S RETARDEDSHE'S KEKED
What's wrong with liking flawed characters?
>>285506301>cute>baka (more cute)>ally of justice>delivers the best Shaft Angle in the studio's historySayaka a best.
>>285506301That sounds cute and waifable.
>>285506301I liked her, she perfectly embodied the female teen retardation Kyubey was harvesting and she was instrumental to the plot.
>>285506301My hero, I love her.
>>285506631anime fans don't like flawed, interesting or tragic characters. They only care about who is TEH STRONGEST and any one else is a jobber.
>>285506631No aura bro, i only like gigachad strong characters like luffy and guts. I dont care about writing only swords and muscular men
>>285506301She's great
>>285506301I want to save and marry and protect Sayaka because she embodies all of humanity's best and worst impulses. If she's not worth fighting for, who is?
>>285506301>>285506487Stop, I can only get so erect.
Sayaka's half of the 12 episodes anime was more emotional to Homura's time traveling and Madoka's resolution. Never watched further than that.
>>285507338She's easily the best written character in the show.
>>285506301Literally the best character
>>285506301
>>285507366She is. Kyoko also has a nice development, I just find her backstory a bit too much. Not that the other characters are badly written in my opinion. Sayaka just stood out because she achieved exactly what the author wanted with her.
>>285506301Least she has Homura
>>285506301STOP BEING MEAN TO MY HERO
>>285507430Kyouko's hamfisted change makes her the worst writtenHomura > Sayaka > Madoka > Mami > Kyouko
>>285507248>i only like gigachad strong characters like luffyYou are a fucking idiot. Luffy would like what Sayaka did.
>>285510414t. speedwatcher
Are we pretending Mami isn't worse?
>>285512698>JobberShe rapes Homura and is a gay pedophile.
>>285510414Based poster.
>>285506301she's Urobuchi and Shinbo's favorite character btw
>>285513331My fellow men of culture!
>>285506301She wasn't cucked by her friend, she cucked herself. If anything her friend tried to tell her not to cuck herself but she did it anyway.
>>285510414I prefer Kyouko to Mami, but otherwise this is spot on. Sayaka and Madoka are extremely well-written characters, but Homura really is in a league of her own.>>285507338The point with Homura is the contradiction between her desire to distance herself as much as possible from everyone to achieve her goals to the point she becomes inhuman just to save Madoka, only to grow to despair due to her becoming increasingly distant from Madoka. Homura's life is one almost constructed wholly to be perfectly hellish for her, but it is a hell entirely of her own making. It is the same emotional core as with Sayaka, but intensified in its scope and tragedy. And in the end, the more Homura loops, the worse she makes everything in the end for Madoka.
>>285512810"gay pedophile" is a redundant statement and the only one here is you.
>>285512810Mami is Homura's hard counter and she can only win by catching Homura off guard. She also was evenly matched with Homura in actual fighting prowess. Mami won ultimately by tricking her with a gimmick ability. But to say it was anything other than an insanely difficult fight for her is ridiculous.
>>285514809Homura tried to trick her with a gimmick (shooting herself in the head) first.
>>285515079Mami starts the fight with a doppelganger knowing of Homura's timestop ability and how dangerous it is. Given that Mami never fights alongside her doppelgangers, we can assume the real Mami is vulnerable while her clones do the fighting. Mami walked into the fight prepared. She had had Homura by that point. Homura's only counter would have been to assume Mami is trying to trick her and running away or tracking down the real Mami. By the time she tries to get Mami to drop her guard, she had already been checkmated.
>>285514809>Waah Mami cheated! If only Homura had 10,000 more years of experience with the most busted abilities in fiction, she would have won!Jobmura lost fair and square. End of story.
>>285514809>she can only win by catching Homura off guard>he says when that’s also the only way Mami can win against Kyouko
>>285515301If Mami hadn't caught Homura off-guard and grabbed unto her to nullify her timestop ability, she would've lost. That's not "cheating", that's just how the different abilities apply in different circumstances. That's why Mami was a poor fit to fight against Charlotte but Homura won without seemingly much trouble. Not sure why you are coping about this.
>>285515483No one's coping but you, Kekmurafag. You're dancing around the fact Mami proved to be the superior fighter by knowing how to fuck HOMOra good.
I want to have sex with the girls in the following order:Homura - Mami - Sayaka - Kyoko - Madoka
>>285515652The fight portrayed them as basically equal in combat prowess and intelligence however. The only question left unanswered was whether or not Homura was aware of Mami's doppelganger ability or just forgot about it in the moment. Because it is an L for Homura if she was aware of Mami's clone but still fell into her trap. Otherwise, she was at a disadvantage. None of which ultimately changes that Homura has greater versatility and inventiveness as a fighter. That's hardly a slight against a Mami.
>>285506301>Kek, hard to believe such a pathetic character even has fans.Hitomi...Homura...
>>285512810>and is a gay pedophile.So is Homura
>>285516245We agree.
I love her
Assuming Kaiten comes out, I'm excited to see the two of them interact again. From the trailers it seems like one of the Homu's will be working with Sayaka, so that should be fun
>>285516702>working with SayakaI prefer toxic Akuma x Sayaka yuri
Sayaka is for rape
>>285506301What a sore loser lmao. We eating good homura chads
>>285516958Urobuchi agrees with you.
>>285506301everyone is retarded in that series>madoka, made more walpurgis>homura, made even more walpurgis thanks to multiple timelines she created>mami
>>285517053>mamiDon't you dare speak ill of my queen
>>285506631There's flawed characters, and then there's complete losers like Sayaka.
>>285517081And you.
>>285516702Tbf I'm not even sure there are going to be two Homus in the narrative. I presume actually that it's just a visual way to depict Homu's inner conflict where a part of her feels like she needs to overcome herself to protect Madoka. This is way too speculative on my part, but I think the twist in the narrative in a way mirroring the one from Rebellion will be that Homura is unconsciously undermining her own world herself by subtly guiding everyone especially Madoka to the truth. There might be a fight between the two Homuras insofar as it is an allegory for Homura destroying the Akuma side of her at the end, of course. It's interesting her transcendent Akuma form keeps her ribbon from Madoka but her corporeal avatar doesn't. The image of Homura living among regular people is out of step with her real self ip above.Other than that, Homura contracting the girls this time looks kino.
Mami
>>285506301she didn't plan to get cucked thoughif anything she was fighting to not get cucked
>>285506301Just imagine being Sayaka and taking Kyouko's huge dick up the arse every night.It still hurts every night, no matter how many times you've taken it but you can't get enough of it as he goes balls deep inside while playing with youjr own pathetically small penis, mocking it for how small he it is while he's whispering in your ear that you're a dirty little whore who actually enjoys being treated like that. God I wish that were me.
>>285517081You're clearly from twitter. Those retards from there are always triggered by someone else's flaws, despite it not affecting their lives in any way.
>>285517391Says the guy getting genuinely mad over someone's opinion of an anime character.
>>285517081Damn. You're such a tough guy, bro. We're all in complete awe of you. Just wow, man.
>>285515483Mami literally only lost because she was high on friendship and was showing off for Madoka, so she got caught off-guard.
>>285515922>you're entitled to know your opponent's bag or it's unfairNope, still an L.
>>285515922>homura has greater versatility and inventivenessIt's the opposite, Mami is the one who's more versatile and inventive, she can do all sorts of shit with her ribbons. Meanwhile Homura's fighting style is pretty straightforward: timestop then overwhelm with conventional firepower. If someone can deal with her timestop then Homura has to rely entirely on the weapons she has.
Another factor is that Homura is used to fighting a Mami who's wracked with guilt and loneliness and possibly on the verge of a mental breakdown (or actively going through one). The Mami in Homulilly's barrier is perfectly happy, so her mind is clear. Sayaka even tells Homura she was dumb for trying to fight Mami in top form.
>>285518024Homurafags can't cope with the fact she's actually not very strong. Any of the girls could ragdoll her if they negate the timestop gimmick.
>>285518014Why do you keep making this about "fairness"? No-one said anything about what is or isn't "fair". I'm analyzing their abilities in particular contexts. You clearly lack the intelligence and the emotional maturity to be having this conversation.>>285517948Except there's a reason Homura approaches Mami to warn her about Charlotte's abilities, even if she is shocked when Mami dies to her. Yes, Mami was indeed on her high horse, but that alone didn't cause her loss. Charlotte was probably the toughest witch she had to face and she ignored the warning signs about her.
>>285506301It's been a while since I've seen the show but I remember her being my favorite for pretty much those reasons, she was pathetic in a very human way
>>285518316>Why do you keep making this about "fairness"?Because you do, Weakmurafag. You are not mature enough to accept your favorite anime character straight up lost a fight.
>>285518256Yeah, no. Mami and Homura are by far the most experienced fighters and Kyouko and Sayaka have nothing approaching their feats of battle prowess. Homura could beat either of them even without timestop. Mentioning Madoka is pointless since she canonically one-shot Walpurgisnacht, she makes up for lack of experience with sheer power.>>285518024Homura is precisely more versatile and inventive because she had to make up for her lack of power outside of timestop. Hence her having to rely on clever placement and timing of grenades, high calibre weaponry, and regular firepower. See any of her battles in episode 10 or her battle against Charlotte.
>>285518450So if Homura is weak, does that mean Mami is also weak for being evenly matched with her in their gun fu?
>>285518256I don't think anyone considers Homura to be their favourite character because of how strong she is, especially considering part of the point is the fact that she isn't very strong outside of her magic. The end of the series could only happen because Homura was weak as shit and couldn't beat Walp even after 100ish attempts.
>>285518600No-one indeed considers Homura their favourite character because of power levels autism, but calling her weak for not being able to beat character that has only ever been beaten by Madoka after she got power juiced by Homura's timeline hopping and the combination of Homura and Madoka is quite silly. And indeed Homura's being a formidable fighter is central to her character, as part of her character arc *is* her being forced by traumatic experiences and the hell of being a magical girl into going from a weak insecure girl into a cool, aloof powerhouse. Of course, the story does deconstruct her persona by showing she is still that old vulnerable traumatized girl beneath it all, but that hardly translates into "Homura is physically weak, actually", when she clearly isn't.
Reason: Two Orchid Teas.
>>285506301>UglyBait.
>>285506301>literally me femcel character>inserts kindness coins, no sex comes out>gets keked, becomes bitter enough to destroy the worldShe was repellent at first because of how pathetic she is, but I can't help but feel sympathy for her. Pretty sure we've all been where she was considering we're all here now.Don't lie, if you were one of them (and someone besides you picked), you'd be Sayaka. We all would. If you were Chad enough that other people would say you most resemble Mami, you wouldn't be here in the first place.>>285506631Nothing, /a/ loves her. If anyone here doesn't like her, it's because she reminds them of themselves.>>285513331>Urobutcher's favorite>suffers more than any of the others (on screen, though I suppose Kyouko's had a harder life)>dies in despairSounds about right.
Sayaka's genuine desire to be a better person and how it conflicts with reality and her subconscious internal desires is extremely relatable for anyone who cares about justice. She is a fantastic character and easily the best girl.
>>285518256>>285518112Homura’s only exceptional quality is her singlemindedness but, recklessly not giving a fuck about herself becomes a weakness against an opponent who has inner strength.
>>285506301In anime you don't give your opponent bad arguments, you're supposed to give them the very best ones their side has. So sayaka, the social justice character, does know she's privileged, is willing to personally sacrifice and bare the burden of her wish for a guy, did try to stay strong as she got literally dear johned while dehumanizing herself in combat, and ultimately returns to be mocked by the opposite sex. Sayaka endured every single humiliation soldiers have endured. She is simultaneously everything those kinds of sjw retards should be, and tragic for not deserving the kind of ridicule they do.
>>285519958Mami is even more forever alone than sayaka. She has no family and has to fight witches. She gave up her opportunity to date boys in order to not be worm food.
>>285512810She won because she already had a ribbon on Homura before the fight started.
>>285518888>>285518600>>285518256Homura has a legion of fans because all of her opinions are central to the male experience. Dehumanize yourself and face war for waifu. Sacrifice everything for her. She's an idiot (too kind) and needs to be tard wrangled for her own good. Don't go anywhere, sit by my window. Don't go anywhere. She is a perfect foil for madoka because there can't be knee jerk reactions of muh sexism if Faust isn't a boy in this movie
>>285522044She read the Art of War.
>>285522014>She gave up her opportunity to date boysHuh? When?
>>285518500Kyouko trashed Mami twice and would beat Homura as well
>>285523714Let me guess, you're gonna cite some random non-canon spin off?
>>285524055TDS is canon
>>285524055Mami also lost in the sound drama included in the official BD of the anime
>>285506301She triggers my saviour complex.Shrimple as that.
I wish I could comfort Mami after another defeat and tell her that everything will be fine.
>>285524055>spinoffs are less canon than my 4chan posts
>>285524355Ack-coded behavior
>>285524260I don't remember Kyouko and Mami fighting in the third drama CD.>>285524355This post makes no sense. Wanna try again?
>>285524338Kyouko will turn Mami into a masochist if she keeps defeating her.
>>285524454The sound drama has Kyouko's backstory. It's even worse than TDS because Mami actually just loses instead of trying to not harm Kyouko
>>285524513Kyouko and Mami have a quick exchange and nothing much else happens. You're projecting quite a lot into Mami's rebuffing Kyouko's attack and the latter's backing down.
>>285506301I liked her until the flashback proved she was the one who accused Homura of lying about the truth. Ultimately setting Homura on the lonely path of not being able to rely on anyone. And spitting on Kyoko for also telling the truth that she wasted her one miracle. She talked so big about being morally superior but the truth is she didn’t want to be a hero of justice, she wanted Kyosuke to be indebted to her. She would not have despaired so easily if she had an ounce of conviction.
>>285524639>After the death of Kyoko's family, Kyoko no longer has her illusory powers. Kyoko becomes disillusioned and loses her ideals, resulting in an argument with Mami over familiars. She wants to leave because they no longer share the same values, but Mami tries to stop her and they end up in a battle. Kyoko wins leaving the defeated Mami in tears, crying over being all alone once more. https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Madoka_Magica_Drama_CD_3:_Farewell_Story>Kyoko wins leaving the defeated Mami in tears
Kyouko jobbed to Sayaka in WA.
>>285524662I mean, isnt she basically the perfect magical girl for Kyubey, highly emotional and selfish that will drive her to become a witch quickly, creating lots of energy, Kyouko and Mami managed to live and magical girl for a few years, Sayaka last like 2 months
>>285524686kek poor mami
>>285524686>Mami: I won’t let you go. There’s no way I can leave you alone when you’re like this.>Kyouko: If that’s the case… I’ll strike you down.>Mami: Seriously… as my junior, you are such a handful.>Kyouko: Hmph, well excuse me~, sempai!>Mami: Did you really think that a full frontal attack like that would even hit your sempai? I know everything about your magic and how you fight.>Kyouko: It’s the same for me too ya know!>Mami: Oh my, please excuse my rudeness. Well, how about this then. Do you think you can attack me head on still?>Kyouko: Don’t make me laugh! There’s no reason for me to dodge such a useless defence (alt trans: mountain/wave of dull blades) like that at all! Next time, I won’t be satisfied with just the ribbon. My resolve is different from yours (alt trans: I’m ready to take this further than you’re willing to go). Thanks for everything, I’m going back to Kasamino.>Mami: Why?>Kyouko: I already told you. I have no intention of using my magic for anyone else’s sake. That’s why we can’t fight witches or familiars together. But… If something were to happen to you, you would still share a grief seed with me. I can’t stand the thought of abusing your kindness.>Mami: Will you be all right on your own? Can you endure/live with the loneliness?>Kyouko: It’s better than fighting you all the time. (alt trans: being your enemy)>Mami: I’m not your enemy! (alt trans: I could never become your enemy) After all… After all, you were… the first magical girl who shared the same motives/ideals as I did.>Kyouko: Sorry for not being what you wanted/expected.>Mami: Sakura-san?>Kyouko: Goodbye, Tomoe Mami…>Mami: I’m… all alone again…All this shows is Mami's dismissing Kyouko's attacks and Kyouko's saying that she is willing to hurt Mami far more than she is to hurt Kyouko ("I'm ready to take this further than you're willing to go").
>>285524977>Next time, I won’t be satisfied with just the ribbon
>>285524991Yes, she cuts Mami's defence, backs down before she forces Mami to go all out, and admits that Mami is going easy on her. You're coping hard here.
Kyouko outspeeds and OHKOs
>>285525051That means she could have beheaded her, duh. Mami wanted to stop her and couldn't because she lost.
>>285525051Don't bother, kyoukofags are autists that will misinterpret everything to say "muh Kyouko is stronger".
Which Meguca has the most autistic fans?
madokanon is such a lolcow
>>285525147your favorite
>>285525077Yes, she's relying on defence because she doesn't want to harm Kyouko and put her on the backfoot by shooting off her guns.>>285525120I've conversed with some obnoxious Kyoukofags in the fags, but this power levels autism is new to me.
>>285525168>you can call Mami the strongest ever but if you ever dare to bring up Mami lost to Kyouko in official material you're TabbThat's just silly.
It's kind of sad and ironic that Sayaka got cucked in her own thread by the constant powerlevel sperging. She deserves better.
>>285525192Who said anything about the autistic Frenchman? I was thinking of other people. Anyway, the context shows that Mami didn't want to actually fight Kyouko, as Kyouko herself admits. I won't be replying to this conversation any further.
shaky ahh opinions
>>285525152Kyoukobros...We are retards...
>>285506301She's the closest thing the show has to a character
>>285525277Steins;Gate is shit btw
>285525256Schizo
>>285525298That's also true
oh know
>>285525192Mamifags hate being proven wrong
>>285525216At least it's not trannies sperging about made up shipping shit this timePowerlevel faggotry is objectively preferable to that and more on topic
>>285506301>best personality>cutest magical girl outfit>makes the contract for a completely selfless reason>best witch form and name>>285507106Also this
>>285525750>>makes the contract for a completely selfless reasonNot really. She clearly wanted Kyosuke's dickMadoka and Homura are better examples of selfless reasons, hell even Kyouko
>>285525750>Cutest magical girl outfitDebatable.
>>285525168>this power levels autism is new to meIf you keep coming to these threads you will know the most autitstic kyoukofag ever.
>>285526056I can't remember the last time he started to sperg out about powerlevel shit. Usually it's Yuri that makes him sperg out
>>285518014No one can be dumb enough to fall for the same attack every time. Homura obviously likes being tied up.
>>285525298NTA but I agree.
>>285525168Kyoukonigger is not a joke. Do not reply to it
>>285527262Steins;Gate shitters are worse than any regular poster. I'm pretty sure that particular kyoukofag is one of his persona's anyways.
>>285527309This
>>285525076why is sayaka so low tier? weak wish?
>>285529500Probably a combo of that, inexperience (she was only a meguca for like a week) and her karmic weight relative to the universe is pretty small. She probably got a huge buff after becoming part of the law of cycles and getting Oktavia as a stand though, and some weird shit going on with her in the new movie probably means she's going to be more on par with the others.
Do I watch the movie(s) if I thought the anime ending was already as close to perfect as possible?I can't see them doing anything else with it without fucking it up for me but I wouldn't mind more content.I'm more than willing to just leave it at that and ignore the movies if they are just baits for dragged out sequels.The show was masterfully done as is.
Sex with Mami
>>285530304The movie is great but it is very ballsy and different from the series. You don't have to watch it if you don't want to, I think the series ending is great and perfectly valid.
>>285506301I like her because she's a good friend
>>285530304The recaps? No.Watch the recap OP (Luminous) if you haven't already, so that you understand luminousing. youtu.be/CMVmuUxRofsOptionally, watch the redrawn episode 9 scene. I like it, some don't. youtu.be/5Euy0AiGozIThat is all.
>>285530809Didn't do much research yet of what movies are out there and if some of them are just recaps. I think what came to mind was the one called Rebellion, which I automatically assumed just continued from where the anime ended, hence my hesitation.>>285530447I think I'll leave it there for now and watch the rest of the content later when I feel less attached to the anime. Maybe then I can dismiss it more easily if I end up disliking it.
>>285530959There are two recap movies, which are slightly trimmed from the series, and then Rebellion, which is still contentious. It's not as good as the series, but then again, nothing is.If/when you watch Rebellion, rewatch at least episode 12 immediately before.
>>285531169I like Rebellion just as much as the series.
>>285525802If it was just about being with him, she could just keep him there, not able to play the violin, sad and depressed, with her as the only light of his life, but no, she chose to save him. Not saying the other girls aren't selfless but they all had stakes behind their decision, Sayaka chose to cure that stupid fucking faggot because it was simply the right thing to do.>>285525814Well, hers is themed after seafaring and heroism, like a pirate lady with a heart of gold, I think this settles the debate.
>>285531624You can also easily pull down her top to see her cute small tits bounce!
>>285506301She and Madoka are a lesbian couple. The second episode confirms it.
>>285533904Same anon here, I think it’s worth mentioning that I’ve never seen Madoka Magica and only know about it though tiktok videos.
>>285534335Hi Aromi
>>285534574Yes I am also ACK. I love crack ships.
>>285534627>ACK got baited and now is pretending to be meIt'll not work, Sean.
ACK loves his crackships such as madohomu, kyousaya and madosaya.
Kyoko x Mami is canon. It was confirmed in TDS.
>>285506631We don't really like any characters here, what we do is more like worshipping deities If a character is flawed, they are worthless, and so are all their fans for liking them, as their God they devote themselves to is weakness and impurity Did the chicken come first, or the egg? I don't know, but all of it is stupidity or reaction to stupidity
>>285519958>i-if you hate the annoying retarded loser it's because no u>people can't possibly have any other reason to dislike them other than projection>please, please, PLEASE validate my dogshit tastes
>>285535035Ok mr projector
TDS canonically confirm Kyouko would never date another woman and sees this idea as weird
How would Sayaka take it if you as some random oji-san tried to make her feel better before she witches out?
>>285535035Totally not seething btw
>>285535035>dogshit tastesWe're not talking about liking Steins;Gate characters though.
>>285535113>transaposter was the one with that dogshit takeChecks out.
>>285535573No-one give a shit about your Reddit Man drama. Your takes are shit and your taste is shit and you are a male-to-male transsexual faggot.
>>285506301I find it funny that it was 2 chuds from 2chan that mindbroke her in the end
>>285536387Pimps browse 2chan?
>>285536434I don't think they were any kind of pimps, just random lumpenprole degenerates.
>>285537029>Talking about women they neglect bringing them moneyThey 100% were pimpsThe sexual revolution was instigated by people like this btw. Wouldn't be surprised if they were jewsEspecially since they're an analogy for how Kyubey treats magical girls
Total waifufag victory.Kyoko got married to me.
>>285524662>she was the one who accused Homura of lying about the truthHomura was making a wild claim about someone who has only ever appeared to help the girls and has no receipts. Sayaka may need to slow her roll but she's clearly worried about someone threatening to fracture the team. This was when they believed in good and bad magical girls.>And spitting on Kyoko for also telling the truth that she wasted her one miracle.She outright admitted to Kyoko thst she was wrong about her. She simply refused to believe such wishes are a mistake and would not choose the path of just live for herself. And while this frustrated Kyoko, it also made her respect Sayaka more and want to be closer to her.No, the problem has always been cynical fart sniffing edgelords who can't get off their high horses in their judgments of the character. Like this selfless good, selfish bad thing. That's what Sayaka believed and she was at war with it. She sincerely wished to be selfless and noble, but secretly wanted too to be selfish and just pursue her own happiness, which she thought made her a bad person. "Should you prioritize your own happiness or that of others" is a question that pervades the series and, idk, it's clear to me this dichotomy will always feel like bullshit to us, especially where happiness is concerned. Could Sayaka really be happy with Kyosuke never playing the violin again, even if they became an item? I don't think so because playing the violin is something he lives for and the tv ending affirmed her heartfelt desire to see him play again. This WAS important to her as well as wanting her love requited. Sayaka is wonderful and Madokami approved.
>>285537210Based post and I fully agree
Kyouko has never jobbed to any other meguca because she is the strongest
I'm fat, bald, old and Kyouko is my meguca!
>Internet was down while a Sayaka thread was upOh well, long and short of it OP is that Sayaka is the best girl because she along with Homura are the most developed characters of the show. Arguably Sayaka is even more so in the show itself if you don't count Rebellion and even then she's grown even further in that movie. I'm sad the new movie got delayed but I'm still holding on to hope that Sayaka plays a more central role in the new movie.
post the sayaka picyou know the one
>>285537517
>>285537517SLUUUUUUUURP
SAYAKA'S SOUL GEM IS ON HER TUMMY BECAUSE SHE'S A FUCKING WHORE
>>285537440The newest Sayaka has all been absolute kino.
>>285537575Imagine slapping it with your cock.
>>285537575Kyouko's soul gem is on her chest so you can lick it during sitting cowgirl
>>285537582She's so cool, she's so coo;, she's so fucking cool. I love edgekino I don't care she was so cool fucking with Homura in Rebellion and she's gonna be even cooler unravelling her conspiracy in Kaiden.
>>285537582Sayaka art*
>>285537643She's going to get her ass kicked in the new movie. You know it's true.
>>285537345You're literally me, except I'm a black waifufag.
madokanon lost the argument on the other thread and is now seething here
>>285537782You don't get it anon. It's not about whether or not she gets her ass kicked, it's about whether or not she gets back up again to fight on through it. I'm a true Sayaka fan I love her for her failures as much as her victories. All I want is more of her.
>>285537869Incredibly based post.>>285537210I would also note that Homura didn't seem to harbour any particularly strong vendetta against Sayaka in particular. She was disillusioned with and felt betrayed by everyone, not solely Sayaka. The only one she even remotely saw as reliable was Kyouko, and even then she wasn't very truthful with her at all either. Homura saw everyone as too weak or immature to grapple with the truth and believed she could only rely on herself, but at the same she seemed to view the tragic ends or her old compatriots with regret and sadness, as opposed to resentment. She was just tired of seeing everyone repeat the same mistakes over and over again, despite knowing that the circumstances were such that they could make no other choice.
>>285524662>>285537210>>285538308I'd also like to say that Sayaka and Homura are basically like, the same in terms of what they initially wanted. The main difference between the two is that Sayaka got what she wished for immediately, and then immediately realized that a lot of her morality and desires weren't as pure as she thought and THAT'S what caused her to witch out. Homura NEVER gets what she wished for, and all the self doubt and loathing set in before she could ever actually save Madoka. Devil Homura is at the same point in her arc as Sayaka was shortly after she makes the contract and saves Madoka. Initially super smug about it, but slowly realizing the consequences of what she did. Homura just has all of those feelings of hope and despair slooooooooowly and agonizingly drawn out over the course of all her loops. It's no wonder the two of them harbour both feelings of dislike, distrust, pity, and possibly respect between them.
>>285537609>ahh, haaah, anon-kun, you are going so deep, it's hitting my soul gem
WHY AREN'T THEY ANNOUNCING THE RELEASE DATEWHY WHY WHYYYYYYYI'M GOING INSANE
O lord above please hear my prayers I want kaiten to come out in february like they said it would I don't care if it's unpolished they can just fix it in the bluray o lord please
DID THEY SERIOUSLY DELAY IT AGAIN
i will commit sudoku, bye
>>285537869Holy based. You're a real one anon.
>>285540892>>285540002Man went through four stages of grief in an hour wow
>>285506301Another example of retarded girls being the cutest.
>>285540930I'd be willing to bet that Sayaka and Homura or the prototype versions of them were the first two characters conceived of for Madoka Magica. They more then any of the other 5 represent the story the series wants to tell and it's a story I love. I think part of the reason why Urobutcher would state Sayaka as his favourite is because she turned out exactly how he wanted her to in his writing. That's something that can be surprisingly hard to accomplish at times.
>>285541633To be more exact I think I remember Uro being fairly noncommital when he was asked who his fav was. He said Sayaka I think because he said he had the most fun writing her?Shinbo was more of a full on Sayaka fan, I think he actually asked for Sayaka to not be dead at the end of the series and Uro said no lol
>>285541741That's basically what I imagined his feelings to be. A fun character for him to explore and write about, but not necessarily being someone he likes on a personal level like a waifu or anything. I don't need that from him, and I'd even go so far as to say that I respect that he wanted to keep her dead, Sayaka is more interesting in a scenario where the consequences of her choices are so drastic. What they did with her in Rebellion, making her a part of the Law of Cycles is the best compromise in my opinion, still not quite alive, but now she gets to internalize and learn from what her life is. Homura making the fake world for Madoka and her is interesting because technically she's now "alive" and enjoying a "normal life" but she can't quite be happy with it anymore. She's moved past such things, and she knows, even through altered memories that there are wrongs that need to be righted. Excellent writing.
She won. In fact, she might be the only character in the entire show who wins. Ever.
>>285543052In Tomoe Mami’s Mundane Everyday Life, everyone won except Mami.
>>285543052>aiieeee sayaka save me I've turned into a blob because Kyousuke loves his violin more than me
>>285530304If you loved the original animes ending you will probably dislike Rebellion. Personally I think it's better than the original series, but if you consider the originals ending to be as close to perfect as possible than I doubt you will feel the same way
>>285538308I think Homura genuinely hates Mami.
>>285531169>I can see everything... all the universes... every single one.Bros... she's watching us right now...
Madoka is a lesbian
>>285544050I thought the ending of the series was perfect, but I still ended up loving what Rebellion did with Homura's character. The main issue with the Rebellion storyline is it needs to be wrapped up in a way that gets us back to the satisfying conclusion of the series without feeling like Homura's character arc was just a pointless detour that circles back to the original conclusion as if nothing ultimately happened. I think Urobuchi has a lot on his plate that he needs to deliver on. But I'm cautiously optimistic we'll get a satisfying conclusion.>>285544407She seemed quite shocked to see that she had been killed by Charlotte; and she was genuinely worried about her too. She also always refers to her with honourifics, showing that even after years of experience timelooping she still sees Mami as her elder and mentor. If anything, you can make a stronger case that she hates Sayaka more than Mami, because she was prepared to kill Sayaka. Yet even then, I think it was the fact that she was willing to push herself to kill Sayaka was one of the contributing factors for why she broke down afterwards when speaking to Madoka. I think the fact that Madoka was still eager to sign a contract with Kyubey after Homura had eroded her humanity to the point of nearly directly killing a friend by herself made her snap. Either way, Homura wouldn't have included the entirety of the Holy Quintet in her labyrinth if she didn't like all of them in some capacity.
>>285544615
>>285544973Even when she was willing to kill Sayaka, it seems to me it was more to try to push her into saving herself. Maybe a last chance attempt to spark some self preservation.She first offers her a grief seed, then she gets mad at her then she very slowly charges up a magical attack (rather than just pull out a gun).
>>285531169>>285545169Does anyone have that old Demolition D fandub video of this that's a parody of the "Berserker/Clerks making fuck" scene? I remember seeing it over a decade ago but I can't find it anywhere anymore.
A reminder that if you fuck her in magical girl form, sayaka can regenerate her hymen over and over so she's essentially an eternal virgin.
>>285545366It's a bit difficult to interpret that scene by itself given that Homura's claim that she only cares about Sayaka's life insofar as it has effect on Madoka can be taken at face value; I don't think she is lying per se, in the sense that she does value Madoka more than anyone else and the more she tries to distance herself from others to fulfill her mission, the more she disregards her own prior morals as she spirals into despair and regret. Her conversations with Madoka in episodes 4 and 5 however do reveal that Homura is being somewhat selective with the truth. And ultimately, it is telling that she doesn't give chase to Sayaka as soon as she frees herself from Kyouko. She as half-heartedly backs off from killing Sayaka as she commits herself to it in the first place. I do agree that the fact she doesn't just reach for a gun as soon she resolves to kill Sayaka is telling of the fact her heart isn't into it.
>>285548662Cutie
>>285548314Pretty much.It stinks of someone at the end of their rope and desperate to find something that works.
>>285549062Are you sure?
>>285545839But that's true for the other magical girls too who are all hotter and more competent than that loser
>>285550000I'm a ryona chad so knowing she smashed up her own arm in that fight does it for me.
>>285550000If she wasn't a cutie, this scene wouldn't hit as hard.>>285550288They aren't hotter (Sayaka and Homura have the best designs), and Sayaka just lacked experience anyway.
>>285551579I would say all the designs are good (though I personally like Homuras the best)
>>285507196This is the natural mindset of predators and primeval men. Thinking like this shows that a human lives in accordance with nature and has not been corrupted by the deranged made up philosophies and ethics of poisonous civilization.
Who would call her cutie?
>>285551882Go back to bed Ted.
>>285551885Kyosuke WOULDN'T
>>285544407homura pretends to dislike mami (and sayaka) because she needs to remain as detached as possible so the grief of seeing them die over and over doesn't get to her remember that she was also keeping half an eye on sayaka before she contracted, she'll always claim it was ultimately for madoka's sake but still, she did try somewhat
>>285552012She also cared about Kyouko, you can see that when Kyouko made the choice to take down Sayaka and also with her being the person Homura asked to help her during rebellion.Ultimately Homura is jkust a weak girl forcing herself to be strong because she has no other choice.
>>285552128she doesn't really pretend with kyouko, she acts aloof initially but pretty clearly tells her that she trusts hershe's also the first person she goes to in rebellion when she realizes something's off
>>285552128>>285552173I'll add, she is also cutting people off because she doesn't see a path to saving them.She teamed up with Kyouko because she is by far the most stable of the girls.But when she does have power and a way to save them she does, you see this at the end of Rebellion.
Kaiten when
>>285552590You don't need a new movie.The story is over with everyone being happy.
>>285552646homura isn't happykyubei isn't happy
>>285552714>homura isn't happy
>>285552733Homura definitely isn't perfectly happy even in her own fantasy world. She felt ecstasy at seizing power from Madoka, but her time is spent in perpetual anxiety and fear of Madoka reclaiming her power and self-loathing for having done such a grievous crime so as to usurp Madokami. Such is the paradox of Homura; she is addicted to the power she has over Madoka and pleased to strip her of her autonomy, but she also lives in trepidation of her worst fear coming true, her and Madoka becoming enemies. Homura is so obsessed with protecting Madoka she is willing to burn down her relationship with her and create a living hell for herself, having already expressed despair that Madoka and her had grown increasingly distant with each subsequent timeloop. She is too obsessed with Madoka to let go to the point of bringing pain upon herself.I love how much Rebellion elevated her character by sharpening the contradictions that were already established in the show.
>>285552714>kyubei isn't happy
>>285552912>pleased to strip her of her autonomyThat's a stretch.
>>285552912In Kaiten Madoka will admit that Homura did everything right.
>>285553144homura did everything right for the wrong reasonsmadoka did everything wrong for the right reasons
>>285553144She fucking better. Just imagine you do everything humanly possible, and then non-humanly possible, to make sure the person you care about most is capable of living a good life. Imagine you see them die over and over again because she keep failing at this until you fuck up irreversibly. Imagine you then get a opportunity to save the one you love even if it goes against her desire to harm herself for others (everyone she "saved" is still saved besides 2 people btw, and those 2 now both get to have a normal life). Imagine this takes such a toll on you that you get to the point where now hate yourself for what you needed to do, to make sure that not only does this desire of a good life come true for her, but also for your shared friend group. Only for the person you care about most to reconfirm your self hatred because you wouldn't let her continue to essentially crucify herself, just so she could mercy kill a bunch of child soldiers. This is the story of Madoka Magica IF Madoka decides that Homura was actually evil for saving herself from being the LoC.For the love of god I hope Kaiten is good and doesn't do this shit
>>285552995She reverses their positions from their initial meeting by having Madoka become the transfer student this time as a fulfillment of her initial wish to Kyubey to be the one that protects her best friend. None of that is really necessary for her purposes. There are plenty of ways for her to keep an eye on Madoka without having to play the function that Madoka played for her, or even having become a transfer student. Madoka spends her entire time trying to stop Madoka from being Madoka despite having become infatuated with her for the very traits she seeks to suppress in her and she is very pleased with herself until Madoka starts to question her reality. It's subtext that becomes glaring text.But this is a Sayaka thread so I won't pursue this topic further.
>>285553483Utter horseshit.You attributing things to Moemura that are simply not reflected in the work.Moemura isn't thinking about stealing Madoka's agency, instead she just wants to save her friend and not be a burden.Remember, when the witch was first luring her into it's labyrinth? it's playing on her lack of self esteem and Homura's wish reflects that.As for preventing Madoka from being "Madoka", we do not see Homura trying to prevent Madoka from becoming a magical girl until AFTER Madoka askes her to do that very thing.
>>285537517sayaka
>>285553671
災厄
>>285548248What's YagaKimi doing here?
Homura did nothing wrong and there is nothing in the canon of PMMM that suggests otherwise
>>285555237The only thing she did wrong was talk to Kyubey after Madoka ascended.And even that might turn out for the best depending on how the next movie goes.
>>285555266Even then it's almost understandable why she would tell him. She had basically no one else to talk to about it.>Mami and KyoukoI doubt either of them would indulge her talking about Madoka. Especially considering how there really isn't any reason for either of them to believe any of it. >The Kaname FamilyAre even less likely to believe it. I guess Homura could prove the existence of Meguca's to them, which could maybe cause Junko to take what she is saying more seriously, but I don't think Homura would do that. Especially considering we don't have any reason to believe she tried to tell Junko about what was happening during the loops.>Hitomi and the other people in her classSame problems as above + she doesn't seem to give a shit about any of them. At most we can assume she knows the names of the four people in her class that she brings into her labyrinth during Rebellion. And even then, I don't remember her interacting with any of them.>AmyRequires the assumption that she is alive and Homura is looking after her. And even then, if you're going to start talking to an animal about your problems, talking to the one which can respond to you is probably the better idea.She really didn't have many, if any, options besides Kyubey. I also doubt she had any idea that what she was doing could potentially fuck over Madoka
It's been too long, and my brain was too small for Rebellion, but I wanted to say that I love sword characters, and I love fallen idiots. As such, I loved Sayaka the most out of all the gucas and it gives me great joy when she gets not necessarily happiness but closure and redemption. She is also EXTREMELY cute. Thank you for listening.
Things I like in Homura:Pantyhose > flat chest > glasses > hair
>>285506301Christ, I hope all the delays are because they keep adding scenes of Homura bullying her.
Homura is spiritually a tomboy while not being one in any other sense
>>285553924Nobody was attributing any of those traits to Moemura, though. Those are all pathologies Homura developed over time.
I watched this when it aired, forgot everything except Mami's death, and finally rewatched it this past week. Sayaka's entire arc was by far the strongest part imho and she's probably among my favorite characters period. The mysterious atmosphere (esp. in the early episodes) and not knowing the full mechanics at play or when someone was going to get themself killed was great too. Thoroughly enjoyed it.The final two episodes though left me a bit disappointed with how it all wrapped up. I was hoping for something bleak and depressing but it was only bittersweet. I liked kami madoka in concept but some of the execution (witches being swapped out for majyuu, madoka saving all mahou shoujo throughout history) in Episode 12 felt almost out of place with how hopeful it was compared to everything before it.With that said are the movies worth watching or should I skip them? I want more of ep 1-10 and less of episode 12 if that makes sense.Also any (non-hentai) Doujinshi recommendations? Raw is fine but there's thousands on exhentai and you can't sort them by score or by anything more than basic tags.
>>285557892>how hopeful it wasI mean they still die eventually and being a magical girl remains a pretty bad proposition. It's just that they don't die cursing the word anymore so things work a bit more like a regular magical girl show now. At least that's how I understood it.
>>285557892The first two films are just compilations of the series. Only the third one, Rebellion, is a continuation of the narrative. It is not *quite* like episodes 1-10 in terms of tone, insofar as it is a different flavour of dark. You might enjoy it.>>285557963It's worth mentioning that it is an underappreciated element since it gets revealed in an otherwise hopeful and uplifting episode, but girls who die as witches cannot pass over into the afterlife of Madoka. Madoka meets the souls of Mami and Kyouko as she deliberates upon what to do, but it's only after assuming her Madokami powers does she meet Sayaka by rescuing her soul. Girls who become witches are so fucked they can't find repose even in death. Madokami doesn't erase all suffering, she just offers a final consolation.
>>285557892>With that said are the movies worth watching or should I skip them? I want more of ep 1-10 and less of episode 12 if that makes sense.The first 2 are just recaps of the anime. Rebellion shows that the original animes ending wasn't as hopefully as you interpreted it. Although the ending is also less bittersweet than the originals for everyone but the character that didn't do anything wrong>Also any (non-hentai) Doujinshi recommendations?Dynasty Scans has some but its mostly just shipping shit.
>>285558142>the afterlife of MadokaNo idea if this is a movie concept because I haven't watched those. I was only talking in the context of the anime.
>>285557892Why are so many people rewatching Madoka all of a sudden? I made a post like this earlier this week and I've seen another one too. Anyway, if you don't want to spoil the impression the anime left on you, watch Rebellion a week from now or something, so your initial feelings have worn off a bit. I would say Rebellion is dark but if you are expecting maximum suffering then no, it's not really like that.
>>285558299As I said, Madoka converses with the souls of Mami and Kyouko in episode 12. The actual mechanics of said afterlife are never clarified by any means.
>>285558474>Why are so many people rewatching Madoka all of a sudden?I'm guessing it's because of the new movie. More people will probably rewatch the anime and post about it as the film gets closer to release. I just hope next time we get a release date it's an actual date instead of just saying 'April 2026' or whatever
>>285558299>>285558588There is no afterlife, it's explicitly stated multiple times that Madoka is all alone in "heaven"
>>285558588Oh I thought you were talking about some concept. As I understood it, she prevents witches before they form now, in every timeline. That's why Sayaka got a separate meeting compared to Kyouko or Mami, since she was the one that died without hope in her heart and the ending had to address it.
>>285555774Based
>>285557892I thought bittersweet was best, the series ending was a very nuanced way to end a tragedy of a story. And I still find it much more sad than happy since Madoka is not able to save the girls' lives. But she saves their hope.
>>285558474It came back to Netflix two weeks ago in English-speaking countries, presumably to encourage interest in WnK.
>>285558588Mami and Kyouko didn't become witches, though, they just died.This comes up again in Rebellion: “I'll be fine. I'm certain that this labyrinth will be my grave. Tomoe Mami and Sakura Kyouko are both here. I believe in them.”Only Mami and Kyouko are still real-world magical girls who can kill a real-world witch.
>>285556803But you would have to attribute it to her because that it when the wish is made, everything after that is just a sliding consequence of the things that Homura experienced and suffered through.Including trying to prevent Madoka becoming a magical girl. Which once again, was at Madoka's request.Even making her a transfer student could be considered helping her out as English was a subject she was struggling with.
>>285516563Kyoko...
>>285559818sean
>>285557963Comparatively hopeful may have been a better way of wording it. With all the faust references and talk of regretting your wish I was expecting Kyubey to pull some shit and have Madoka's wish destroy the universe, or put her into some form of eternal torment in exchange for everyone's happiness. Her character song is really bittersweet and made me cry like a bitch but it's not as bad a fate as it could be though. My fault for speculating too much I guess.>>285558185>Dynasty Scans has some but its mostly just shipping shit.I'll take a look there too, thanks.>>28555847415 year anniversary maybe? I was gonna rewatch in 2021 for the tenth but kept putting it off.>Rebellion is dark but if you are expecting maximum suffering then no>Rebellion shows that the original animes ending wasn't as hopefully as you interpreted itI'll probably watch it in a few weeks then, thanks anons.
>>285561291>into some form of eternal torment in exchange for everyone's happinessIt's not exactly how you imagined it but this is actually one way to interpret what happened in the ending.
>>285561291Worth keeping in mind that Rebellion sets up a storyline that has not had a proper conclusion yet (hopefully in the next film), so there's definitely a lot of debate about how the way Madokami's existence is described in the film should be interpreted. Is her existence actually painful and tragic, or are the characters in the narrative misunderstanding what she is going through? [spoilers]I am on the latter side myself, but until Walpurgis no Kaiten comes out, we can't be definitively sure.[/spoiler]
>>285559518My point is that Homura's initial innocent wish becomes corrupted by her traumatic experiences. Her desire to repay Madoka for what she had done for her becomes distorted into a desire for control over Madoka.>Which once again, was at Madoka's request.Of course, but at the end of the day, Homura interprets Madoka's words and actions through her own personal prism. She disregards Madoka's wishes when they don't conform to what she thinks is right for Madoka, and assents to them when they do.
>>285516563Kyouko's wife
>>285506301she was my second fav after the emo
>>285562393>distorted into a desire for control over Madoka.No it isn't.Her desire is always to protect Madoka and for her to be happy, it's just that her methods become more desperate over time as the situation becomes worse and her options get played out.
>>285562442shaky post
>>285564032You don't think Homura looked a bit pleased with herself and sinister while interacting with Madoka in the new world?
>>285564575I think she looked like that with Sayaka, I think she looked fairly miserable when interacting with Madoka. You can't tell me the Homura returning Madoka's ribbons looked happy.And regardless, Homura is being negatively influenced throughout the movie in one regard or another. Either being kept on the event horrizon of witchdom by Kyubey or going straight off the deep end of witchhood at the end of the film.
>>285564320Replying means baited.
>>285564857True that sayaka poster really triggered ack for some reason
Why does it seem like all of the magical girls are gay? Is it Kyubey's preference?
>>285564972He just targets ages where emotions and sexual preferences fluctuate the most anon.
>>285525077This is true. The guy you were arguing with was clearly a retard. No wonder ou got the last wordKyouko truly is the strongest canonically huh
>>285506301She is the cutest. Nothing else matters.
>>285565065Mami knows that too btw
>>285565050I don't know man, doesn't seem to fluctuate at all to me. We've never seen a meguca that was attracted to anything that isn't a non-brown (so non-madokanon) boy.
>>285565150Given that the only person who disagrees is a yurifagging shitskin i think it's pretty clearly true
>>285565157That's umm just the direction anon. You know like how in SHAFT's Monogatari series males are few and far between?
>>285564958You got baited again. Lol.
>>285565211I like yuri too
>>285565150Best canon ship in Madoka
>>285565150What is Mami thinking
>>285565243You get baited more than me considering you reply to more posts (sometimes multiple times to the same one, and you even get baited by yourself sometimes too)
>>285551882Nature is full of flaws, though?Even as a natural fallacy, your logic isn't coherent.The good and the bad are both part of the natural cycles, and living in accordance to nature means appreciating both sides of the coin and making them work together.It's modern civilization that puts "the best" in the spotlight all the time and tries to push for optimization in everything, failing.The natural mindset of predators and primeval men was to simply survive, not to strive for ideals of beauty.The modernized mindset of predators is to strive for ideals of beauty, and it's why society doesn't really work and it's poisoned, it's because subjective ideals and nature can't cohexist, and humans are a product of nature. Modern predators are just retards that don't understand this simple dynamic and try to brute force their ways in a system that rejects their stupidity.
Kyouko is the strongest meguca
>>285565521Most people agree
>>285565521... except when she's in yuri mood and lets the Sayakk clobber her
>>285565424And... again. LOL
>>285565573...which never happens
Tabbender the Undertale and Homestuck powerscaling autist
>>285565581Yep, you got baited once more.
>I'm baiting you>No I'm baiting you>Nuh uh>Yuh uh
>>285565624You talk like someone from reddit. You should go back there.
>>285565711As expected of a reply chain involving madokanon, the pedophile third worlder who loves yuri and hates loli
Atheism is for slavesreddit religion
>>285565747>madokanonYou are actually obsessed with him, holy shit lmao.
>>285565608Episode 9
>>285565803You're just bad a recognizing posting styles
>>285565829You should watch it subbed instead of dubbed because evidently the mexican dub changed a lot to make you believe that.
My imaginary friend from Fate threads is gang stalking me here to make fun of me when I sperg out about my other imaginary friend...
>>285566001This seems like a post made by a schizo
Can the two of you get a room already?
>>285564795She starts to look miserable once Madoka nearly returns to her Madokami state. Prior to that, she acts strangely aloof towards Madoka if not in a lightly condescending manner. Her demeanour with Madoka initially is but a more subdued form of her sinister attitude with Sayaka. The direction portrays Homura as unhealthily possessive of Madoka. I don't think Kaiten will portray either Homura or Madoka as 100% in the right.
Everywhere I go on any thread I always see my imaginary friends Tabb and Rinfag. How do they manage to be everywhere at once and guess all the threads I'm active on?
Why are the Steins;Gate fags screaming at each other again?
>>285566266Many people make fun of the nietzschean reddit atheist and the tacos munching shitskin doeYou don't have to be a steins gate fan to do so
Fregoli post above
>>285566329I don't give a fuck who you are nigga. You are all fucking annoying and you all act like Steins;Gate fags. Fuck off out of this thread. All of you
>>285566266Their anime is too boring to talk about so they come here.
I've never seen someone get this butthurt over a character he doesn't like being the strongest. Damn. Why are Kyouko haters like this?
>>285566568>He looks like he fucks magical girls.>Agreed.
>>285566485Lolcows are like that
Kyoko is trans
>>285566659Extremely ironic post.
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/madokaanon/hmmmmm...
>>285566180Does this look happy?She has one bit were she seems amused when offering to show Madoka around the school but that can be chalked up just as easily to her reaction to the role reversal.
>>285506301>2011+15>There are still retards who believe Madokami lives in an afterlife with all the other girls when she in facts just kills themThis is what abrahamic mythology does to people
>>285566180Homura is miserable when we first see her after she rewrites the universe. Her sitting at the table and then her conversation with Sayaka has plenty of imagery to suggest isolation and self-hatred.
Why are all Madoka fanfics absolute ass? I wish there were good fics for this series.
>>285566948>even though Nagisa and Sayaka clearly exist in some kind of afterlife state>thinking an afterlife is unique to "Abrahamic" religionsInsane clitty leak on display
>>285566806So it wasn't madokAnon. Fregoli confirmed.
The only good ending is one where Homura is truly happy with Madoka. Both the original anime and Rebellion fail to provide this
>>285567052Cute lesbian dyke
>>285567032Tired of Steins;Gate niggers and their spam and their complaining about every little thing about spinoffs and fanfics. Fuck off.
>>285567032You know what's really sad, Steins;Gate itself is absolute ass, not just the fanfics
>>285567036Nagisa and Sayaka were reconstructed from all timelines, not an afterlife. It's explicitly stated countless times that Madokami is all alone forever. It's to save her from that fate that Homura did what she did.>shary lingoGo back there
>>285567036You are a genuine fucking retard>For the magical girls who have now become part of the Goddess, especially those who knew Homura, this operation was like a fleeting moment of awakening from a long, long dream—an extraordinary event.From the Rebellion production notes. This directly tells us that there is no heaven for them, and that there remains no Heaven for those the LoC takes. Fuck off back where you came from you Steins;Gate loving faggot
>>285567110>>285567181I'm not your steins gate boogeyman. I just wish there were Madoka fics that aren't utter trash clearly written by and for tranniesI'm sure the JP ones are better but fics rarely get translated.
>>285567241You ARE the Steins;Gate faggot, and your anime is fucking shit and you should leave and never come back.
Kyouko and Sayaka are sadomasochistic lesbians
>>285567212What does Steins;Gate have anything to do with that post? You are genuinely obsessed.
>>285567402But he's not the one spamming the thread for the last several years, you are because S;G fans are shitty human beings.
>>285567402>You are genuinely obsessed.Every Anon in this thread knows who you are, retard. Now fuck off back to whatever Steins;Gate loving shithole you came from
>>285567032Stargazing is kind of nice imo.
>>285567436>>285567541Severe levels of mental illness on display.
>>285567820>Said the Steins;Gate fag, unironically
>>285567953Honestly bro you're not that different from the lolcowsReplace "Steins Gate fag" by "Akemi" or "Tabb" in one of your posts and you have a typical schizo spammer postThe Madoka vs Steins Gate franchise rivalry on this board has been dead for yearsJust like the schizos you're going after a ghost who is long gone
>>285568064>Y-you are the lolcow, not me. One of the people who has been ruining Madoka threads for who knows how longEven if you aren't a Steins;Gate fag (which you are) you still behave like one, which is enough of a reason to tell you to fuck off
>>285506301Love you meguca
Can you two (or is it one guy replying to himself) go talk in IRC or something?Why does every thread devolve into this now. It genuinely makes me sad. You don't have a hobby or something to do? You could be spending this time doing the things you like, or working on a project or something. I just don't understand. What happened that led you this point?
>>285568597The threads have been getting spammed for years by a Steins;Gate fanboy. You have no idea how bad it's been.No ignoring him does not work.
>>285567189Except Madoka encounters the souls of Mami and Kyouko even before she becomes the Law of Cycles and neither of them died as witches. Madoka specifically describes the Law of Cycles as being united eternally with her (even if it is not in a seemingly conscious manner). There wouldn't be a need for a physical assumption of magical girls if they were just dying. Madokami's being lonely doesn't really tell us much.You should read up more, given that you don't even know Shintoism and Buddhism have afterlives. Like come on. Shang dynasty China had both a belief in the divinization of the death and a pseudo-monotheistic cult of Di or Shangdi (depending on how you interpret the reception of said cult in Confucianism and Taoism). (Though monotheism is a retarded term that didn't exist until the 17th century, the ancient Greeks and Christians defined their beliefs as monarkhia, belief in one single transcendent ultimate source, wherein lower divinities but participate in the supreme divinity.) Madoka seems to draw the most from Pure Land Buddhism, if anything. The vague Jesus parallels are subordinated to an overall Buddhist-derived framework. Mahayana Buddhism is overall much more optimistic and hopeful than Theravada Buddhism, and the former and its off-shoots were the primary ancestors of Shingon.
>>285568597Madoka threads always end up with people screaming at each other and calling each other schizo's. It happens every week bare minimum. It's best to just accept it
>>285568664Why are you taking a sequence that happens before Madoka is done ascending, when reality is being warped, at face value when it contradict the consistent establishment that Madokami is all alone up there?
>>285567241Fuck off, Steins;Gate faggot.
>>285568597I sign of a series' longevity and cultural impact is the dedication of its schizos.
>>285568957Replying to someone an hour later is an extremely inefficient way to get them to fuck off btw
I like Sayaka, she's cool and doesn't afraid of anything.
>>285569011He'll read it when he comes back. They're pathetic, they should fuck off back to their thread.
>>285569509Based. I think we've chased him off for now at least.
I fuckin hate Steins;Gate
>>285568472Being Homu is suffering...
I'm thinking back to the rewatch earlier this month and the post-show had some really nice youtube reels including EDs. I think this one is my favorite, it's so sweet and I enjoyed watchin Hitori Bocchi too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtzjv4TR-M
>>285568901Because you're ignoring all pieces of evidence other than Madoka's being lonely. The scene with Mami and Kyouko happens before Madoka completes her transformation into a magical girl and well before she rewrites the rules of the cosmos as witnessed by Homura and Kyubey. When Madoka descends to receive Homura, she says that the two of them will be together forever. How can reconcile that with Madoka's merely killing magical girls (after purifying them)? Like I said, you should read into actual world religions and their theologies more. In Buddhism, attaining Nirvana and transcending Samsara entails in many traditions realizing that nothing truly exists and everything is united as one, such that the Boddhisatva no longer has an individual existence as such, not a particular entity but a concept identical with the cosmos itself. This fits loosely with how Madokami is described. Given Madoka's salvific role, it's almost certain that those who exist in her attain some purified blissful state. Whether this is in some "magical girl Valhalla" or some state of comforting sleep is less apparent based on the available information. Point being, aside from magical girls being united with a salvific mediator, there are not that many parallels between Madoka and Jesus (Madoka wholly relieves those she saves from suffering; in the Pauline epistles, believers must undergo Christ's own suffering because in doing so the "outer man" of the decadent flesh is destroyed so that the "inner man" of the Spirit subject to the Law of God, Christ and the Spirit might be set free and clothed in a divinized body conformed to Christ's resurrected body which was exalted with the attributes of Christ's divinity). My assumption was and is that Urobuchi was drawing from Pure Land Buddhism and Madoka's limited ability to communicate with others is the result of her exalted state as a concept unified with the cosmos, not the non-existence of souls after death.
>>285568901>>285570057Madoka does contact Homura in the post-credit scene of episode 12 anyway. If "magical girl Valhalla" is real, Madoka can't interact with its residents regularly anyway. Why you decided to seethe about "Abrahamic religions" is beyond me given the obvious Buddhist elements. It's not even like soul sleep was a popular position in ancient Judaism, right? (Such that the Christian view is that Christ's descent into Sheol is what produced the subsequent division of the afterlife in heaven and hell; salvation is construed throughout the NT as a state of mystical union with Christ where believers live through Christ as the Son lives through Father, as John calls Jesus "the Eternal Life" that has Life in himself.)
>>285570057>>285570130Madoka is omnipresent, that's why she's with everyone forever (in their timelines), doesn't change the fact that she's all alone on her plane of existence and that claiming there's an afterlife with all the megucas completely defeats the drawback of her wish and makes Homura's actions in Rebellion completely retarded and unjustified.Madoka's ending was a bittersweet one. What exactly is bittersweet about "lol all magical girls just end up in meguca nirvana after death where they'll live their best life forever"? Literally nothing. Madoka's sacrifice is hardly even one if all magical girls ultimately end up meeting her in the afterlife anyway.
>>285566930She looks determined, serious, calculating, not wholly benevolent. But it's only when Madoka starts to regress to being Madokami does she develop a thousand yard stare of despair and agony. I think it's telling that Homura only begins to act intimately and friendly towards Madoka once she starts transforming back into Madokami. It's a good way of presenting the contradiction between Homura's yearning for her old friendship with Madoka and her willingness to distance herself from her for her sake.>>285566964I don't disagree with that, but in the after credits scene she is seen dancing in implicit celebration and she is ebullient upon becoming Akuma Homura. She is both pleased with herself and also hates herself for her being pleased with what she has done. That's our Homura.
Homura is the only glasses girl I know that looks better without glasses.
>>285570931Holy CUTE
>>285570945It's crazy how complex Homura and her emotions are when you put it that way.I've always known there was a lot going on in this story ever since people started explaining Rebellion to me years ago, but every now and then I get that appreciation again.
>>285570945The after credits scene starts with her alone in clear symbolism of separation from Madoka with everything halved, and then ends with her letting herself fall off the cliff.I wouldn't exactly call that dancing in implicit celebration.
>>285570758Madoka forever being separated from her family and friends and not being able to live a normal life, eternally shouldering the pain of all magical girls but going solely because of the hope they experience upon being united with her is already bittersweet enough. You seem to be working backwards from the assumption that Homura's actions in Rebellion are perfectly justified as opposed to morally ambivalent if not outright dubious. But I can just as easily say that Sayaka's arc in Rebellion and Kaiten is narratively unsatisfying and empty if it is not the actual, real Sayaka, summoned from the afterlife to aid Madoka who has experienced growth and wisdom to be able to confront Homura with her maturity and have some kind of positive resolution with Kyouko and it is instead some simulacrum created by Madokami. The existence of Meguca Nirvana does not negate Madoka's inability to interact with them as a normal being would. They are not meeting her in the traditional sense. They met her when she shows up to assume them. That's about it. But that doesn't either way explain why Madoka tells Homura they'll be together forever (you keep ignoring most of the arguments I provide). Or why Madoka says that she has to "guide" all magical girls (through what or to where?). Also worth pointing out that Urobuchi really stretches what it means to be a concept (Madoka is still a person in some sense and can be separated from her God form) and the idea that she can't interact with anyone (she whispers to Homura). In sum, it's bittersweet because all of the sweetness is for others and all of the bitter for Madoka personally.
>>285571418>I can just as easily say that Sayaka's arc in Rebellion and Kaiten is narratively unsatisfying and empty if it is not the actual, real Sayaka, summoned from the afterlife to aid MadokaShe was reconstructed from every single timeline, it's the exact same thing. Just because she isn't part of some kind of afterlife doesn't means she's any less real, she has the memories of all the sayakas of all timelines.>They met her when she shows up to assume them. That's about itThat is what i'm saying. She meets them, mercy kills them before they witch out, then goes back to being forever alone in her space.>Madoka tells Homura they'll be together foreverIt's figurative. All the girls become "part" of Madokami, but that doesn't means they're actually conscious running around up there, it's in the same way Madoka is omnipresent, it's conceptual.
>>285571672>That is what i'm saying. That is not what you are saying. What I am saying is that Madoka guides magical girls into the afterlife and out of it as her messengers if she needs them and they cannot interact with her in their regular state, at least not on a consistent basis. Maybe they occasionally converse with her like Homura did in the after-credits.>It's figurative. Ah. So it's figurative when it comes to evidence of the afterlife, but when it comes to Madokami's being lonely, it suddenly isn't, it should be taken in the most rigidly literal sense possible. Lol.>All the girls become "part" of Madokami, but that doesn't means they're actually conscious running around up there, it's in the same way Madoka is omnipresent, it's conceptual.So what does "becoming part of Madoka" entail if it is conceptual? The fact that Meguca Nirvana might not be corporeal with an active state of consciousness seems to be a stumbling block for you. In fact, outside Pure Land Buddhism and its off-shoots like Shingon, in Tibetan Buddhism Nirvana is the furthest thing away from what you are describing. You seem to have an issue where you project pseudo-Christian concepts unto the ambiguous notions of the afterlife in Madoka while accusing others of doing the same (but you aren't actually aware of what the New Testament says or of patristic exegesis and systematization thereof). Do *all* people who die become part of Madoka? Why is there a transition from life to death where people become "part of Madoka"? Saying it is conceptual does not explain what precisely is intended here. There has to be some kind of ontological change going on where the girls become conceptual themselves. The simplest explanation is in fact that their souls enter a state of rest and comfort in and through Madoka. Why a Japanese man living in a society permeated with Shintoist and Buddhist ideas would write something obviously drawing Buddhism is so confounding to you, I have no clue.
>>285571672>>285572500Would you seethe if I told you many scholars believe that the supreme Chinese deity of the Shang dynasty era Zhongguo, Di or Shangdi, was in fact conceived of in a fashion very similar to the God of the Old Testament?>Just because she isn't part of some kind of afterlife doesn't means she's any less real, she has the memories of all the sayakas of all timelines.Which would mean she also knows that she isn't fact the same Sayaka as the one she has the memories of, inducing an identity crisis. Especially since she is using girls who were willing to return precisely because they still had some regrets and would thus willingly collaborate with Madokami (except that regret is someone else's). How very nice of Madokami. That also begs the question: if Madokami doesn't take the souls of dead girls to a pleasant afterlife, why would Sayaka regret having left Kyouko behind? Kyouko clearly has a decent amount of life left ahead of her. Are you saying Urobuchi was supporting suicide with that line? Even though it goes against Madoka's established morals? I suppose these are the kind of mental gymnastics you have to invent when you can't just admit that Madoka has an afterlife, we just don't know what it looks like.
>>285572500>>285572525>Ah. So it's figurative when it comes to evidence of the afterlife, but when it comes to Madokami's being lonely, it suddenly isn't, it should be taken in the most rigidly literal sense possibleShe was never said to be lonely. She was said to be ALONE. And it's presented as the major drawback behind her wish and the driving force behind Rebellion, so yes, of fucking course it's to be taken literally and shit that would contradict it isn't.
The afterlife is most likely just a kind of peaceful stasis. We already know that it can't fulfil basic desires like Nagisa wanting cheese.
>>285572617It just doesn't exist in a literal sense. The LoC is omnipresent so all the girls are "part" of the LoC, but that's about it. It's not some kind of parallel world where the girls can live and run around and interact with each other. They're dead.
>>285572589Why do you bring up shit that has already been refuted? I provided various different evidences in favour of my position. You have only one. As I already said, Madoka is alone because she is a transcendent existence no-one else can come close to. Their being in an afterlife would have no bearing on their inability to grasp Madoka or reach her realm. Especially if it's a state of blissful slumber (as it has been pointed out several times).>>285572617That would see to be the case on the basis of quotes like >>285567212 (ignore the retarded commentary). But there isn't enough to go off of on the basis of the show and films alone. Nor is it all too clear if megucas go to the same afterlife as everyone else or their own special thing. >>285572857The anon's description of a "peaceful stasis" definitionally excludes a "parallel world where the girls can live and run around and interact with each other", you fucking retard. You are hopelessly obtuse. Are you some Redditoid who can't stop seething about Christianity because your parents were conservative and told you to go to Sunday school and didn't let you listen to Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, so now every mention of an afterlife (an idea as universal as humanity itself and which is not exclusively Christian) makes you have a meltdown?
>>285573212>Their being in an afterlife would have no bearing on their inability to grasp Madoka or reach her realm.So you believe they're in an afterlife that's... different from Madoka's realm? That's even more out of left field, where is this even coming from?
Bhdm
>>285573352Dhdm
>>285573334What? I already stated that Madoka's conversing with Kyouko and Mami before becoming Madokami as they discuss the merits and downfalls of her wish shows that there is an afterlife apart from Madoka. The reason Sayaka isn't there is because megucas who witch out can't reach it. Madoka guides them there or to some similar state of being. Madoka's realm is not a physical place per se, it is a transcendent state. Megucas who have become a part of Madoka do not become equal to Madoka. To use an example from the religion that seems to make you seethe, angels in Judaism and Christianity exists above humanity and participate in God, are united with him, and contemplate him in a more exalted state than humans do, but they cannot comprehend God in his essence or fullness. The communion of dead megucas with Madoka does not grant then equal status with a transcendent concept.I don't think I have much more to say on this subject. I'll just let people post cute Sayaka art.
>>285573478I'm not saying that they're equal to Madoka, I'm saying that they are conceptually "part" of LoC but in reality they are dead, their consciousness just stops.
>>285573542There would be no need for them to become a part of Madoka then in the first place if that was the case.
>>285573629They are already a part of Madoka due to Madoka being omnipresent and absorbing their soul gem to bear their curses (and presumably turn said curses into wraiths)
>>285506631Only USA watchers are like this
>>285571127She is smiling and lets out a light chuckle after she's done torturing Kyubey.
Bumping to ask for more fanart.
>>285576237Have this Sayaka, I use this as my phone wallpaper.
I just watched Rebellion again. I'm wondering now what exactly happened when Madokami was "split" in two. In the new Homuraverse, do both Madoka and Madokami exist as two seperate entities? I thought at first the scene in the school where Madoka almost remembers being a God was her almost awakening a dormant part of herself, but this time I interpeted it as a kind of possession. If Madokami is a dormant part of Madoka, what arbitrary rule is surpressing it, and if it's a seperate entity, what arbitrary rule is weakening it? I also noticed that Sayaka has a ring at the end, but Madoka doesn't, so is this some Madoka from an alternate timeline that never becomes a magical girl, and that's what the split actually is? What do you schizos think? I might as well ask since we're not getting any answers for the foreseeable future.
>>285506631They hate what reminds them of themselves
RABB3
Finally, free, i'm getting ICE'd too much here.
>>285576981>do both Madoka and Madokami exist as two seperate entities?my guess is i think yes.>Madoka from an alternate timeline that never becomes a magical girlshe don't have ring , but think is the same Madoka, those phones calling madoka i interpret it as she feeling something is calling her, the call of her other side?. if that is yes, then should be the same.I could be all wrong but i think that.
>>285565747>the pedophilefalse, i dont even pair myself with 2d 14yo drawing girls, let alone in real life. >who loves yuri0 yuritrash i have seen. You are basically projecting.
>>285573478>angels in Judaism and Christianity exists above humanity and participate in God, are united with him, and contemplate him in a more exalted state than humans do, but they cannot comprehend God in his essence or fullness.>angels>GodHe doesn't know... yet.
It's good. She has a great friend to chill with.
>>285577899Ice to meet you. I'm Snapple.
>>285579710What did I miss this time?
>>285578488I still find it funny that he continues to call you a Yurifag, even now
>>285580109Ah, so I missed the usual from one side. >>285580136The Amigo is from the Spectator faction. This means he is automatically against the Chaos faction.
>>285580508The autist barely even posted in this thread. The other guy is just obsessed with him.
>>285554902Lmao.
>>285568597Madoka has multiple schizos on /a/ and it's fucking annoying. The one who also camps on samefags in any thread with the word 'yuri' in the thread title or post is the most annoying.
>>285506301I dunno about all that, but I want to cum on Sayaka's bandages.
>>285581549based
Lively tomboish characters played by Kitamura are really hard to dislike.
>>285506301>just to be cucked by her best friendThey're not gay.
>>285583646>They're not gay.Well yeah, they kinda have to not be for them to get cucked by Hitomi dating kyouskue
>>285583569Why is Mami acting like this?
now hear me out anonymous...
>>285583792Which character is riding the suicide torpedo?
I could never think of what Homura did as being wrong. Simply because she has not done any wrong to anyone but herself
What if Sayaka has Mermaid scales under her bandages?
>>285583569Kyouko x Mami. The dykes of TDS
>>285584906Why are you still alive?
>>285585056He ban evades, that’s nothing new
>>285506301Lol I forgot the whole NTR subplot. At least her breakdown was fantastic.
>>285587093I think her arc is strong because the ntr wasn't the only reason for her breakdown, she had a lot of things going on in her storyline that all compound together in a fantastically disastrous and tragic way.
KyoHomu is canon.
>>285588768Actually MadoKyo is canon
>>285588934Trvke.
>>285588768>>285588934>tfw they both make more sense than the ack ships
>>285588934Aoi Yuuki, please...
>>285590552Who? I don’t know anyone by that name. Madoka’s voice actress is called Madoka Kaname.
>>285592346C-cute!
I wonder why there is no meguca with ice powersMaybe there is one in the gacha?
>>285594912Crackino
>>285590552I forgot she sayd she likes Kyouko a lot.
>>285571054That ambivalence is a big part of why, all these years later, we're still getting autistic fan meltdowns/microessays over who is right or wrong or good or bad.There's a certain subset of the population who can't accept that people are often full of tension and internal contradictions, so seeing it represented in anime (which is normally full of extremely flat and rigid characters) breaks them.
>>285595539It's honestly really impressive, especially considering how much of it isn't stated directly to the audiences face, it's just something that you can pick up on the more you think about it and rewatch it. I've been trying out Exedra on a lark because I wanted to experience the Magia Record story line, and what has essentially been another rewatch of the OG show while it's still fresh in my mind has kind of made me realize that Mami is a lot more complex of a character then I thought. A lot of people meme about her getting shafted, but really a lot of her story line and theming cast a gigantic shadow that colours the rest of the show and influence how most of the cast behave. That and the more you think about what she was trying to do the more you realize that she really is kind of a pathetic coward piece of shit.
>>285595823>what she was trying to dois that that she wanted madosaya to contract so they would essentially be her substitute family? The conversation she has with Madoka before getting chomped made me believe that she was so caught up with the idea of finally acquiring companionship that she basically rushed to her own death. I hate to use the word groomer but it sums up the type of impression I got. The way she says hitoribocchi so quietly, how upset she gets in the drama cd when kyouko fights her, how she goes nuts in episode 10 upon learning how the system really works, and the fact that she mentions kyouko being the first mahou shoujo she's met that actually wanted to work together and not compete for limited grief seeds, it all made me really think a lot about the isolation and shitty world she's living in because the only alternative for her was dying without contracting. Is that her regret? Or are you talking about something she was doing in Rebellion? (I haven't watched it yet my bad if so).
>>285596459No you hit the nail on exactly what I was talking about, in fact I also had the exact same thought about how she was trying to literally groom Sayaka and Madoka into being magical girls not only in this timeline, but also most likely dozens of loops Homura went through. Hell she's technically a small part of the reason why Homura became a magical girl herself. My favourite scene on rewatch is Homura asking Mami why she's involving "innocent bystanders" and Mami just deflects all responsibility by claiming "Kyubey is already in contact with them so they're already involved teehee!". And she acts so fucking smug and condescending towards Homura as she just deflects and deflects as Homura looks at her like she's trash. Kind of like how she tried to deflect all responsibility for being partly responsible for destroying these girls' lives after Sayaka went witch in episode 10 and literally started blasting the other girls away out of guilt. Can't bear to die alone so she pretends to be cute and cool and confident to lure in gullible impressionable girls to used up like she is, kind of reminds me of the entertainment industry honestly. Sayaka completely buys this shit too, and starts going off on how Mami is the only truly just Magical girl when in reality in the show itself she's probably the most selfish out of the main 5. She's the only one who used her wish just for herself, and every action she takes is for her own sake, but it's also kind of understandable why considering the circumstances she's trapped in as a 15 year old girl. Honestly she's been going up in my character rankings and is up there with Sayaka and Homura for me now.
>>285596755>Mami's interactions with series-timeline HomuraNTAHonestly I read it less as smug condescension, and more as very-very-thinly veiled aggression.From the start, Mami is making bold, if indirect, threats against Homura's life, and I think she was willing to follow through. Perhaps this is how she normally treats new magical girls, and those who she thinks she can "raise" to be safe and loyal are an exception.She's lonely and cowardly, but also vicious in a way that only the most grizzled version of Homura can match.
>>285596755You're not wrong but that is a bit harsh on her. She necessarily has to assume that Homura is like the other selfish megucae so she can conclude that the notion of "innocent bystanders" is just a platitude for "less competition", and Homura's negative charisma doesn't help. From Mami's point of view, more megucae who share her ideology is a good thing, precisely because the default attitude is hostile. Of course she had ulterior motives but she's not unreasonable.
>>285597402>>285597416Yeah that's thing that impressed me about Mami. Is that while I still think everything I said about her was true, and that she kind of fucked up big time, it's 100% understandable and even justifiable as to why she behaves the way that she does. Like of course she's going to mistrust and look down on the creepy anti social stranger who makes no inclination that her accusations against Mami are actually coming from a place of morality. Of course she's afraid and alone and wants allies to help her in her fight, she wished to survive a car crash only to have her life thrown into danger anyway. Keep in mind, despite me being super harsh on her from a moral perspective I actually really like how she and her cognitive dissonance was portrayed. It really ties together how all the other characters operate in their own twisted ideals right at the start. There's a lot more to her then just the girl that gets her head bit off at the start for shock value. The actual title of least developed and thought out girl would go to Kyouko imo, though she's funnily enough probably the second most earnest and overall benevolent character out of the cast next to Madoka of course.
>>285597662At the end of the day, Mami's freakout basically killed Homura's inclination to actually work with her, and the reverse is true because one of the first things Homura does is try to kill Kyubey. If anything Mami is being merciful letting her off with a stern warning. I don't think Mami's failings are particularly moral in nature; they're psychological. And that is precisely what Kyubey preys upon because megucae are designed to fail explosively. There's a good chance Mami would have witched out in that very moment after Sayaka did, so her saying "we have no choice but to die" isn't even that far-fetched.
>>285591561All magical girls should wear business suits
>>285594912Canonkino
>>285595823The raw shock value of Mami's death leads many to gloss over the overall narrative context and how it facilitates the exploration of the show's themes. Mami dies because she gets too sentimental and focuses too much on her own personal state of mind over the life and death situation she is in. The point that Homura makes to Madoka in episode 4 and even episode 5 is that to become a magical girl means to discard one's humanity and throw away one's emotions and attachments as a pure liability. Even the prelude to Mami's death reinforces this; Homura's trying to dissuade Mami from trying to fight against Charlotte is the one time she attempts to appeal to Mami and actually persuade her over to her position after just constantly acting antagonistically. If Homura had lived up to her own standard, she would've just timestopped and knocked Mami out to protect her, but she instead chose to appeal to her better instincts.
>>285597969I think it's both a moral failing to be unable to accept that you've lead innocent younger girls that looked up to you down an awful path that you didn't even realize was as awful as it truly was until that moment, but also a psychological one, with all the stress of her life as a megucae crashing in on her in one terrible moment, which as you say would probably lead to a witch out if Madoka didn't lock in. Mami is definitely someone who WANTS to be a good person, she wants to save people, she wants to be someone others can look up to and she tries. So does Sayaka, so does Madoka. Kyouko used to as well and even Homura is motivated entirely by saving someone else. All of them have moments where their own selfishness, selfishness that they may not have even realized at first was there backfire on them and cause disaster for both them and eachother. Even Modaka, in Madokami form isn't exempt from this, that tiny little bit of regret over being entirely forgotten by the universe and fear of eternal loneliness is probably why she had Homura keep some of her memories, and that's what leads us into our current post Rebellion situation.
>>285598516>>285595823Homura's telling Madoka about all of the regrets she has over the comrades she had to leave for dead and discard as but tools for her purposes against her moral judgement really shows the damned if you damned if you don't nature of the world of Madoka. You get too sentimental, and you die; you try to put to death any and all attachments to anyone, you wind up lonely, with nothing but regrets, and pain. There's no way to win as a magical girl. Also from a plot angle I think the tension between Homura and Sayaka wouldn't be as strong without Sayaka's basically assuming that Homura let Mami die to get a Grief Seed, despite the fact that Homura actually attempts to be sincere and pleasant for the first time in that timeline precisely to save Mami. I think honestly part of the dynamic there is that Sayaka begins to see Mami as the ideal magical girl and Homura as the antithesis of what a magical girl should be like. This in part sets her up for her fall.
>>285598517I think that's the benefit of objectivity speaking. Mami is by no means morally faultless, but in context, where does she truly go wrong? Witches are a real threat and select girls are the only ones capable of mitigating them. Yes, under normal circumstances propagation of child soldiers is immoral, but this is deeply abnormal. Notwithstanding the fact she's inadvertently creating more witches, her morality isn't particularly faulty here. You certainly can fault her for summary execution of Kyoko, but she's not exactly wrong. They do have no choice but to die, it's only a matter of when. They have to have some kind of suicide pact to prevent creating more witches.
>>285596755>She's the only one who used her wish just for herself, and every action she takes is for her own sakeI'm sure you didn't intend it this way but that's a very funny thing to say considering her wish was just to not die in a car crash.
>>285506360Your mom?
>>285595129>sayd
>>285598587>>285598516I would add to this that you can clearly see how in episode 4 the foundations of Madoka's ultimate wish is already being laid in the way that she talks about how she wants to remember Mami so that her efforts were not in vain and she may get recompense posthumously. Mami's death really shapes Madoka's thought process going forward.
>>285597416,1>The fact that Sayaka is dead without knowing the soft side of Mami is actually one of the reasons why sayaka felt more guilt.>Mami gave a idea of a hero with almost no defects, if mami was more honest maybe sayaka would accept more her defects of being magical girl and not being so hard to herselfHave you ever read TDS Madokanon? Because this is a pretty smart observation.
>>285599991It wasn't really a condemnation but it's something I noticed. So much emphasis is put upon Sayaka by both Homura and Kyouko that making your one wish be for someone elses sake is a mistake,and Sayaka refutes both of them. Mami is her ideal of the perfect magical girl, and she sees HomuKyo as irredeemable for their "selfish" ways. But the two of them speak from experience, they know the suffering Sayaka will go through, and the ideal of Mami was never true, as while it's absolutely a given that wishing to not die in a car crash is absolutely blameless, her beginnings as a meguca was out of self preservation, not altruism. >>285599476To be honest I don't really think that there was a better option at any point for Mami either. It's what makes her interesting to me. Forced to make terrible choices by fate, yet at the same time she creates an inviting, idealistic aura around herself to make the situation seem less horrible then it is. And even then I think her behaving that way is more to save her own mind from falling into despair then anything. As mentioned in >>285600538 however this left a ripple effect that harmed others. Idealism and hope that leads to delusion and despair. The soul of Madoka Magica.
>>285599991Anons shitting on the most human characters who are still teenagers but they wouldn't or aren't any better.
Be like Tabb the gigautistic antiyuri 'aryan' soldier.Save the white race by fucking underage 2d girls.
>>285600538Yes, and perhaps, but I don't really think it makes a difference in Sayaka's outcomes. No matter the timeline, Sayaka just isn't up to snuff to become meguca because her karmic potential and mental fortitude are both lacking. >>285600783Homura's perspective is different: she knows becoming meguca is a deathtrap by Kyubey's hand, irrespective of the wish. Of course she'd take the deal anyways because her demise is a trivial price for Madoka's salvation. One of the key things that I think gets lost all too often is that all 5 megucae, at their core, deeply idealistic (Homura included) characters in a setting that punishes idealism. The conclusion is not meant to be that idealism is wrong, just that knowledge is equally important to act on it.
>>285525479>>285525256>>285525149>>285516857>>285516702I honestly don't know how you live like this, !-Akemi. You're so pathetic and obsessive it's unreal.
>>285560050>>285534818>>285534935>>285534627>>285534574You spend every single waking second of your life consumed with trying to "troll" on 4chan. This is the only human interaction you get in your life.
>>285584906>>285583569>>285584906>>285565150>>285565333Everyone in the world wants you gone. All you do is ruin threads.
>>285594939>>285589218>>285588934>>285588768>>285585056Please go to a therapist.
>>285601522>>285601544>>285601549>>285601566Steins;Gate is dogshit.
>>285601522>>285601544>>285601549>>285601566Hehe you silly.>>285601372>No matter the timeline, Sayaka just isn't up to snuff to become megucaPart of the reason why Rebellion was kino. Got to see what a competent Sayaka looks like>One of the key things that I think gets lost all too often is that all 5 megucae, at their core, deeply idealistic (Homura included) characters in a setting that punishes idealism. The conclusion is not meant to be that idealism is wrong, just that knowledge is equally important to act on it.Agreed, I haven't watched many mahou shoujo shows outside of this series and a little bit of Precure Fresh, but the idealism of the genre definitely seems to come through and tested.
>>285601659You're right, it is. It's harem shit.
Minus the steins;gate fag this was a great thread. Thanks for the insights anons.
