How do you answer this without making yourself looks like a basejak?
I don't expect a chimp to have basic morals, that's exclusive to humans
>>285524604oo oo aa aa
>>285524604I don't have any change.
>>285524604thats an american
>>285524604>HURR DURR WHY CAN'T I EAT HUMANS LIKE WE EAT COWS>HUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRR EATING MEAT BADHe looks exactly how he sounds
>>285524604Because they can fight back
>>285524604Eat him.
>>285524604Mad cow disease
>>285524767Inane emotional argument, as expected of a human.
>>285524604pretty sure you're not allowed to kill and eat pandas either.
>>>/v/
>>285524604Because this distinguishes us from wild animals like (you)
>>285524604you don't have to explain it with morals, there are many practical reasons why it's a bad idea, from psychology to politics and social order
>>285524604Because it negatively affects civilization which is a net negative for everyone involved. There is no scenario where it benefits humanity to cannibalize itself, only detriments.
>>285524604What is this libtard anime? I was sure japan was immune to jews
Because humans don't wanna die and humans make laws and can enforce them. If animals could make a police force to punish those who kill animals we wouldn't be allowed to kill them either.
>>285524604We're not allowed to kill and eat most animals actually, only those deemed to be livestock are acceptable. You can't kill and eat a dog for example, at least outside of China and Haiti anyway.
>>285524604Who says you can't eat humans?You gonna let the government tell you what to do?
>>285524604Real life animals can't ponder these things
>>285524630>humans >moralsYou are a filthy and disgusting tribalistic anime just like your forefather chimp.
I eat Irish children as per Swiftian dogma
>>285524604I LOOK LIKE THAT AND SOUND LIKE THAT!!!!>>285524630But you look like that and sound like that
>>285524604>wewho is we? you're half chimp. humans don't eat eachother because cannibalism is taboo and we kill animals that eat humans as self-defense.
>>285524668I actually feel bad that I respond this way to any black person who just walks up to me and starts trying to talk to me. Even though I'm right 99.9% of the time, it's still an asshole thing to do. (the last 0.01% are them asking for drugs directly)
You're not allowed to kill anything endangered either. Why are libshits so retarded?
>>285524604I'd just tell the truth. There's a litany of moral, ethical, and health concerns involved in treating people like cattle or game. It is very clearly not something to do, but I can't blame the monkey boy for being ignorant of that.
>>285525500>>285524604Have you read about the history of China? He's half-right just born a little off-center.
>>285524604Humans will eat you back
>>285524604Killing and eating carnivore species is stupid waste of resources. At least that is why we don't farm cats and dogs to eat. They have low caloric density per weight. This is why in the wild, you don't see predators species hunting and eating other predator species, unless they are starving or most fights happen for territory.
>>285525500>humans don't eat eachother because cannibalism is tabooyeah, and he asks WHY it is taboo, that's the entire point of his question
>>285524604So this guy is just ignoring the fact that there has been cases in which bears, large wild cats, wolves, large reptiles, sharks have eaten humans in the wild at some point in time?
>>285524767the banality of evil
>>285525550Do monkeys eat each other?
>>285525500>is taboonot only is it taboo, it literally fucks up your brain, we evolved to find human meat disgusting and eating too much of it will literally make you crazy
>>285525553That doesn't make him wrong, we tend to kill them if they do that, we don't allow them to even if they want to.
>>285524604Sentience
>>285525550Most animals don't eat each other. Most humans don't want to eat another human. It's taboo because 99% of humanity finds it repulsive. >but why do you find it repulsivehard wired in our brains or something
Is the show worth watching
>>285524604Because humans are people and you shouldn't kill and eat people. You should be grateful to be considered people enough to not be dissected, monkeyboy.
>>285525550cannibalism is quite rare in other animals too and when it happens it's usually because of some sort of evolutionary advantage, humans isn't the only species that avoids it, we are also just intelligent enough to understand why it's bad too.
>>285524604>>285525549And before you ask the second question, yes humans are carnivores, humans can't digest plant food. We instead just cope with nutrient dense portions of plants like fruits, nuts and seeds. Just like how Pandas are anatomically a carnivore despite most of their diet being bamboos and they just evolved to digest the nutrient dense parts of the bamboo.https://biologyinsights.com/is-a-panda-a-carnivore-the-scientific-answer/
>>285524604These are two separated questions, why is this monkey brain treating as a single one?>Why can't I kill a human?>Why can't I eat human meat?
>>285524604brain eating prions
>>285524604Does /a/ like this anime? I keep seeing threads
>>285525550Prion diseases?
>>285525628we're omnivores, you'd have huge deficiencies if you didn't eat any vegetable
>>285525628I'm so tired of /pol/tard science. Please educate yourself and stop being a fucking retard.
imagine letting some brain eating prions stop you from enjoying some long pig
>>285524604we don't eat 99.9% of animal species, it's not just human meat you're not allowed to eat, but it's the one that would certainly give you more problems compared to cat meat for example
>>285525662>Omni voresNot reallyThe only other species iirc that can digest grass in our group without a large chambered stomach like gorillas iirc are rabbits. And they do it by literally eating their own poop.Not really, we can get all nutrients if you did the 'tail to head' eating that carnivores usually do.>>285525692Not everything you hate from pol you retard. Stop being schizo.
>>285525692nuh-uh you dun't udnerstand you MUST eat RED MEAT every day or you'll die just like we do in MURICA, broccoli is for losers! (it's not because we have to give money to the livestock lobbies)
>>285525631Because the author has a political axe to grind and is using his rational and intelligent protagonist to contrast depictions of his ideological opponents acting silly and choleric?
>>285525567He's an chimp, not a monkey, and yes they do. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/564321
>>285525747is this some sort of christian cuck vegan anime like vinland saga? I haven't watched it
>>285525608Its a vegan propoganda manga.
>>285525775Yes pretty much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darwin_Incident
>>285525608what kind of idiot would try to hand combat a fucking chimp? One that clearly knows martial arts too
>>285525573>eating too much of it will literally make you crazyIf you mean prions, that's for unrelated reasons
>>285524604when I was a kid I asked the same thing about human meat except I thought I was a dinosaur and I was 5 years old. I think this guy is supposed to be in high school so it's clear his development is stunted not just by his looks.
>>285525845AYO DAS RACISSS
>>285525809Why would he face discrimination for being vegan. Like isn't jap food 90% just vegslop?>>285525820Chimps aren't that strong, their strength is kind of overstated. Martial arts is useless for a chimp because their greatest strength is their bite force which I believe is useless for most chimps. Take away that and their nails and most 6 feet men can beat a chimp up. There are videos of chimps with their nails removed and mouth tied up struggling to fight 5'6 men online from old circus videos.
>>285525809>Charlie struggles to fit in and is targeted by his peers due to his difference in species, vegan dietah yes I'm sure his classmates dislike him because of his vegan diet, him being a fucking human-chimp hybrid is not enough of a reason
>>285525877>Chimps aren't that strongwell regardless he clearly demonstrated that he is way too strong to try to tackle, and the dude even puts his knife away when he should have brought a gun.
>>285525877>Why would he face discrimination for being vegan. Like isn't jap food 90% just vegslop?The story is set in the us afaik
>>285525877>inb4 but but chimps have 4x muh weight muh more muscle per kiloShutup they are also like half the size and weight of an average human.
>>285525937Yes it's a westaboo manga made for a hypothetical western audience
>>285525937Might just be me, but I don't think I can remember a single instance of anybody irl getting bullied in school for being a vegan. Their friends might bust their balls a bit or they might not get invited to stuff as often for obvious reasons, but it's never made anybody a pariah.
>>285525550Because the goal of the gene is to spread, and it needs a population for it. Eating itself is counterproductive, as it reduces the size of the population. It's effectively suicide for any species that can't shit out 100 replacements for each individual that gets cannibalized. That suicide gets encoded in our genes as an instinct of something to be avoided, and that instinct defines the taboo.
>>285524604I could explain, but that's a bother, so i won't.
>>285525877>Like isn't jap food 90% just vegslop?The Japanese like meat a lot, it's kinda pricey so they don't eat as much as burgerclaps do. You'll still see meat or fish in every meal though, and even brokeasses are going to yoshinoya or whatever to have some gyuudon for cheap.You will see signs in English on "bitching about Japan tourism" type collectives on xitter or whatever where the Japanese restaurants say shit like >NO VEGAN>NO HALAL>YOU NO LIKE, YOU LEAVESo if you want to dunk on them you should probably focus on calling it rice slop since I have seen Japanese people order a side of rice with their noodle dish.
>>285524604GER 7 - BRA 1
>>285526110you some anime rival or what lmaolet me guess you have white hair?
>>285524604REMINDER THIS APE FUCKED THE GIRL LMAOA fucking ape can get laid. What about you?
>>285525937>>285526036Is veganism even that relevant anymore? I don't know anybody who follows it anymore. Last Christmas, my cousin whom I know who declared herself vegan back in 2020 was munching on the hamburger.
>>285524604might is right
>>285526542There are a lot more annoying things to make your personality about these days so the "How can you tell if someone's vegan?" joke has depreciated
>>285524604>basejakHaven't seen that word in while. What does it mean again? (I know it's wordfiltered)
>>285524604The real question is would Charlie bang a human woman?
>>285524604>because that would be cannibalism and I would rather not get a prion disease>also, meat of predators usually tastes like shit and guess who's on the top of the food chain?
>>285526057But it's also counter-productive to kill each other during conflict and we do it all the time, in very large scales too.I don't think there would be any evolutionary disadvantages to eating the corpes of your enemies rather than letting them rot.So I think it has to do more with disease than this. People with an aversion to cannibalism were more likely to survive and spread their genes than those who didn't.
Can Charlie be a leader of men
>>285525877>There are videos of chimps with their nails removed and mouth tied up struggling to fight 5'6 men online from old circus videos.Doubt it was an actual "fight" then.
>>285524604humans built civilization on this planet so humans get to make the rules
>>285526668he fucks and impregnates her.
>>285524604why would I need to explain to an animal why cannibalism is bad?most dont do this shit either
>>285524604we dont eat monkeys or chimps either because of potential disease jumping species more easily than farmed animals. 'bush meat' as the africans call it, is still largely illegal even there. we also have a moral taboo over eating exotic or newborn animals(excluding chinks but bugmen aren't human) sure it happens but its looked down upon and cannibalism is usually only done by freaks, uncivilized savages like on papua new guinea or in desperate conditions like Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 plane crash
I just realised that most people who criticise this work haven't even seen or read it. Kinda sad, but it's the same as always.
>>285524604Human based society with human based laws, mi Americano. Also despite what some people may say we are pretty much herd animals, killing each other is seen as bad and can have potential negative side effects for the societal structures we maintain. Eating each other could also potentially spread certain diseases. We also aren't allowed to eat certain animals due to societal and cultural norms despite most of us being willing to eat meat.
>>285526439But it was with a white girl, it's in her nature to do that.
>>285526439I don't have a lobby on my side that normalizes sex with me in the media
>>285527115So you have no objections against the plot of planet of the apes?
>>285526830People have an aversion to killing too when governments aren't manipulating survival mechanisms for political games.
>>285528192the new ones? arent humans all dead?in the old ones, the apes had to lobotomise humans to keep them supressed, we arent doing that to other animals
>>285524604>animal on humanHumans have guns and other animals don't.>human on humanCannibalism is disgusting and causes diseases.
>>285528279What do you think domestication's whole purpose is?
>>285528279That is essentially what domestication isDogs are retarded childlike wolves, cows are retarded childlike aurochs
>>285528355What if le human was clean? Like what if one were to eat a rich?
>>285528370>>285528397you two may have the intelligence of cows but i'm not worried about the bovine uprising or wolves/lions/bears ect because as soon as we developed tools their time was over.>domesticationmaking animals useful to humanity. not the same as supressing them to keep us on top
>>285528478So you really are retarded, got it
>>285524604humans taste bad
Holy kuso thread do your fucking job jannies.
>>285526625Onions
>>285528783Keeping kuso threads on the board is their job though?
>>285528834Watch as this becomes a meta "complaining" thread and THEN does it get removed.
>>285525608This gif reminds me of old Italian comedy Bingo Bongo
>>285524604humans can beg for their life.
>>285528930It's all about knowing how to play your cards right and drive the "engagement" in a non-kosher direction to get the posted deleted.
>>285528648you're the one worried about being outwitted by cows
>>285524604pecking order, scrub
>>285524604Because we are the dominant species.
>>285524604The further a creature is biologically from its food the less likely it is for parasites or diseases to be transferred between them. Anything that can live in human meat can of course live in a human that eats it.There is also the risk of prion disease.Also, generally humans take incredibly long to mature and so are not a very reliable livestock option. Other animals like goats or chickens or cows are much more meat and nutrients over a shorter period of time, in addition to the other benefits.Psychologically, as well, most humans don’t particularly enjoy eating other humans.Are these reasons sufficient?
>>285526439>even the nips are making >white women jokes nowadaysGrim.
>>285528998lel
>>285524604>human beings>weThat thing is only human when convenient, it seems. Is he the first Jew-Human-Monkey crossbreed in history?
>>285529546Those are all just excuses or minor inconveniences that didn't stop people in the past from doing it.
>>285525937so why would anyone notice? he's just a stereotypical american except he eats real food
>>285525522Born too early to explore the starsBorn too late to eat 50,000 people in the seige of Suiyang Born just in time to have moral relativist discussions about veganism on /a/.
>>285525260only based answer itt
>>285529737AKA an American.
>>285524604Pretty sure you can't kill and eat dolphins or whales or other protected animals in many parts of the world.
>>285524604Because that’s the rules of the game we agreed to. But nothing prevents you from doing whatever the fuck you want. Morality is made up bullshit.
>>285524604Try to kill an endangered animal and see what happens.
>>285529741Those are logical reasons why most people don’t eat people. “People having done it in the past” is a logical fallacy, an appeal to tradition. People have done many inadvisable, inefficient, and unsustainable things in the past, such as your parents allowing you to be born. There is a logical reason for everything and I gave you several. Choosing to dismiss them as inconsequential is a failure on your part to understand the nature of consequence and the natural flow of logic. Correct your existence, please.
>Why are you apologizing, it was my consent to have sex with you >But I’m the one that cumming inside Oh my goodness
>>285529131If cows suddenly got 100x smarter due to some science injection and started using guns and making their anti human settlements would you reject them?If a mad cow decides to eat humans would you hate it?In the cow society eating humans is considered normal.
>>285531334>chinese TLYou're even chimpier than charlie.
Killing and eating monkeys is illegal in civilized countries.
>>285525260based
>>285529546Yes.You don't acknowledge that the only reason it is not being done is because of the law and order that prevents it through punishments and death.Not eating human meat is a social construct created and enforced by the winners who did not humans eating humans.
>>285531380Posting here underage is illegal. Fuck it tastes good.
>>285531366if a cow had the chance it would eat you and everyone you loved
>>285525608>"Urushite Harambe-sama"
>>285531429No?The reason it’s not being done is because humans and most primates don’t typically view other humans/primates as food. I’m talking from a purely functional perspective and gave logistical reasons why humans using humans as a food source is inefficient and that there are better alternatives. You’re misrepresenting my statement, and I would even go as far as to say that you don’t care about logistics. You just want to justify eating humans without considering the logical or cultural contexts. It’s not a “social construct”, because even without “society” most great apes don’t preferentially eat eachother.
>>285531366>>285531477not really because they're herbivoresOn the other hand, dogs and cats, have been documented actually eating dead humans.
>>285531549cows eat live animals and carrion all the time
>>285524604Rare picture of the demon lover in Frieren threads.
>>285531630>>285531549Are we looking to cows, cats, and dogs as the example of culinary behavior we should strive to? Because i’ve seen my cat attempt to eat my other cat’s vomit.
>>285531477unironically this. its why im not a vegan. they had their chance, they chose to evolve into prey animals. at least make yourself poisonous or something.
>>285531630live animals like chicks and other tiny birds that they can fit whole in their mouth, never actual humans or animals big enough that they'd have to bite chunks off.
>>285531247None of those are "more logical reasons" against it. You just say that your opinion is correct without giving an actual reason. There is no moral argument for meat consumption that doesn't include humans apart from "I don't like it" aka no reason at all.
>>285531810If you want people to eat people so much, start with yourself. Go eat your fingers. I’m not certified to teach people who ride the shortbus to school
>>285524630>sooo uhhh there is that thing called "basic morals" that is totally real and tangible and something you should definitely abide because you just should. Its called being a decent fucking human beingSo this is the so called "high human IQ"...
>>285524604because we won
>>285531873You fucking retard, I'm against all meat consumption bc you can't justify it. Every attempt itt was just "human strong so we can do it". By that standard there is also no reason against strong humans killing and eating weak humans.
>>285524604>blows his head off with a shotgun and gets away with it because it's an animalLike that
>>285532257Japan has animal protection laws which includes jail and fines if you abandon your pets which american scum love to do.>OMG I CAN'T PAY 2 BUCKS FOR CAT FOOD SO I WILL THROW MY LOVING DOG OUT INTO THE STREETS
>>285524604I I’m trying to figure out a way to say this show sounds like it was written by a white woman in a non bait way because I don’t mean it as bait it literally feels like a white womans romance series with a monster man
The series clearly takes place in America based on all the Browns and niggers and liberal faggotry. Also the American flag.
>>285532383A lot of (((men))) are into not-technically-bestiality cuckoldry, watch the shape of water for example.
>>285532166>bc you can't justify ittasty is enough justification, nutrition is another, calories to effort, livestock being able to digest plant matter we cant turning, non-arable land into productive land ect etc>By that standard there is also no reason against strong humans killing and eating weak humans.we're social animals, humanity as a whole survives because we intrinsically help each other, even strangers, even the weak. this however goes too far and we end up with liberals that sell out their own family, country, race, gender, and ultimately their own species. also disease, not only is it easier it to spread but older meat is more likely to be diseased and the oldest meat we eat is beef at around 18months old vs adult humans
>>285532462True
>>285524604Speciesism, the selfish gene.
>>285524604Argumentative ethics solves thisIt's a retarded comparisonGo ask a cow explain why it shouldn't be killedTry to strike a deal with a cowSee if cows can organize to rebel against humansAnimals are not forms of higher intelligence and trying to project human morals on them is a fool's errand. It's not immoral to eat a cow for nutrition because it doesn't meet the requirements for any reasonable moral system to care.Now, I might think another human being is lesser than me, but unlike the cow it has the required minimum sapience for morality to apply to him. Unlike the cow he has free will, therefore he is a moral agent, and since he is a moral agent, I have to consider the moral implications of killing him thus violating his freedom.
>>285524668We can tell
>>285525550Without cannibalism being taboo, the species learns to eat itself, thus at some point begins killing itselfThis doesn't allow the species to survive. It's a framework that leads to extinction and thus can be ignored as anyone who supports it should just do their part and kill themselves instead of argue in favor of it.
>>285525635Antiwhite cannibal
>>285532525Nothing of what you said is "logical" you again said that it's ok bc you like doing it. That is not an argument. By that reasoning there is no counter to some alien race just arriving and slurping up human brains.
"We," as in the monkey man? I imagine that's because he's too weak to pull it off. As for humans eating humans, we're simply hardwired not to. Such behavior would be highly self-destructive and would contradict the core purpose and ultimate goal of propagating our species.
>>285532808>>285524604
>>285532807so you think morality is objective? all species must adhere to it? why do animals eat other animals? or do you think it would be fine for very dumb aliens to eat us?
>>285532808Cannibal tribes don't see other tribes as really being the same species. We clearly aren't hardwired against it, but the majority of culture have built up taboo against it because it is highly destructive due to diseases, etc.
>>285526439Even an ape can fuck a woman unlike this ultra-autistic idolfaggot >>285532868
>>285532807no retard. address what i actually said.>By that reasoning there is no counter to some alien race just arriving and slurping up human brains.for the aliens that wouldn't be an immoral act, it may not be the best solution for them, mural trade/coexistence may be the best solution for both of us but wiping us out would be no more immoral for them than clearing a patch of land for the plough
>>285533007I can't fault an animal for killing and eating humans on instict. What sets us apart is the ability for reaoning. Bc we can choose not to kill and eat animals is precisely the reason why it's immoral to kill and eat them. A sufficiently advanced spacetraveling alien race under this framework would also be capable of reasoning and as such should be able to understand that.
>>285524604Because I oppose eating anything besides actual cattle or fish, retard.
>>285533104Address what? Your argument boils down to: "I want to eat animals bc I can and they are tasty". That isn't a moral argument at all. Refer to my reply >>285533112
>>285533043>Cannibal tribesSubhumans, the lot of them. We're talking about the glorious human master race here.
>>285533112>Bc we can choose to kill and eat animals is precisely the reason why it's moral to kill and eat themanimals have no choice, they eat what they must. our reasoning allows us to eat what we want. by all means enslave yourself to the lower life forms, who each and every one of them would eat you if they could>this however goes too far and we end up with liberals that sell out their own family, country, race, gender, and ultimately their own species.>and ultimately their own species.vegan cuck
>>285533112>Bc we can choose not to kill and eat animals is precisely the reason why it's immoral to kill and eat themYou haven't given a reason as to why that's the case at allWe can choose tons of things, it doesn't make them any more or less moral in on themselves. You have to first prove killing is objectively wrong and why that reasoning applies to animals
>>285533155no retard, address the rest of it.
Eating humans is bad because I don't like it. End of discussion.
>>285533328>Eating animals is bad because I don't like it. End of discussion.
>man isekai is dumb, I want more sci-fi>the sci-fi >>285524604
>>285533265>>285533273>>285533295You are all just slaves to your desire and not better than a mere beast. You have the highest developed brains on this planet and choose to not use it. It's tragic really.If it's wrong to kill a human it's wrong to kill any animal. There is no moral argument that allows for the ban of the one while allowing the other.There are humans alive right now who are less intelligent than animals slaughtered for meat. How do you justify that?
>>285533471>>this however goes too far and we end up with liberals that sell out their own family, country, race, gender, and ultimately their own species.>>and ultimately their own species.vegan cuck>There are humans alive right now who are less intelligent than animals slaughtered for meat. How do you justify that?i dont, we should be euthanizing them too. but not for meat because health reason as discussed already ad nauseam
>>285524604>>285524767It's the faggot debate bro "Name the trait" argument narrative tool they use to lure people into supposed moral hypocrisy by doing a reductio ad absurdum. It is essentially structured like this.>Name the trait that makes it OK for humans consume animals but not other humans>"uhh our sapience">Oh, so eating humans who are declared braindead is ok? Do you sign off on this?>"No">Then that isn't the trait, Name the trait!>"Ok then yes">Lol you would eat a human? that's absurd! you lose!This is because there is no single trait you can use but a collection of traits that have to be held to a standard of "defaultness" in the sense that one wouldn't logically use someone with Down's Syndrome as a representative of human. The solution to the answer exists because the Reductio depends on a standard of "normal" to draw its standard of "absurdity" meaning there is a innate reason why cannibalism is incorrect, but they usually try to run from the debate when this is pointed out.The solution is essentially, the collection of traits that define a human and what could be considered normal, healthy behavior determines why we eat one but not the other. "Because they are human" is the answer and always was the answer.
>>285525608>>285531481I like that the attacker is shocked by what the monkey did.
>>285525845Lucy?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN6-ilfdmXI
>>285533617this movie was so dumb
>>285533471>If it's wrong to kill a human it's wrong to kill any animalHow so? Can you make an objective coherent argument as to why, when they are two completely different form of life?For startes, go ask a cow why it shouldn't be killed, see what her answer is.>There are humans alive right now who are less intelligent than animalsThis is a gross exaggeration unless you are talking about literal mentally disabled vegetals in which case you are reducing the debate to its most absurd point
>>285533647>For startes, go ask a cow why it shouldn't be killed, see what her answer is.First of all, minor spelling mistake. Second of all, that's not a very good argument anon. I could walk up to some shitskin in any part of the world and ask them that in Japanese and they wouldn't know what the fuck I was asking either.Personally I think you should just say that the killing doesn't bother you and you can't feel shame from it. Then move on. That would be the rational thing to do. The vegan's opinion and attempts at shaming you literally don't matter one iota.
>>285533328Yes.>>285533432Yes.
>>285533721>ask them that in Japanese and they wouldn't know what the fuck I was asking either.humans have been communicating without a shared language since the dawn of time. you cant do that with animals
>>285533545So what is this collection of traits if sapience isn't it? Is it social behaviour? Plenty of animals show that too. Is it emotions? Whales and elephants have that too and we hunt them for meat.>>285533647>when they are two completely different form of life?Your basic argument is wrong. We are animals. Mammals of the great apes family like chimpanzees and gorillas to be exact.> go ask a cow why it shouldn't be killed, see what her answer is.You know damn well that we can't communicate with a cow. That doesn't mean it wouldn't object to being killed. If you don't speak german and I ask you: "Warum sollte ich dich nicht töten?" isn't a valid reason to kill you.
>>285533545reductionism is the midwit's domain. truth is holistic
>>285533721The shitskin can learn englishAnd there is no way to communicate to a cow, even if you moo, because moos cannot express complex thoughts, because cows cannot have complex thoughtsWe can literally open their skull, analyze their brain and see that even if they were able to speak english, they would not be able to say anything coherent because they are not a higher form of intelligence.>>285533721>That would be the rational thing to doIt wouldn't, but since you hold a non rational position you cannot justify I can see why you would be confused about it >>285532724
>>285533779>Eating plants is bad because I don't like it. End of discussion.carrot murderer.
>>285524604>2 humans left on earth>kill and eat other human>break leg>no human to helpYou don't need 2 neurons to see why it's a bad thing. But I doubt that monkey would have any.
>>285533863Yes.
>>285533838>Your basic argument is wrong, we are not different forms of life>You know damn well we can't communicate with a cowFucking lmao, you don't even see how your own position self detonates with every post you make> If you don't speak german and I ask you: "Warum sollte ich dich nicht töten?"Just teach the cow english then, go ahead, teach her english like you could a german, or even a brown.
>>285524604Because humans are sentient, rational creatures /thread
I love how all the discussion in this thread is surface level bullshit "discussion" just trying to meme points, without any real arguments against or in favor of OP's thesis.
>>285533861Sorry anon but I'm not the vegan you're arguing with, but you're both ideologues and neither will ever convince the other. It is totally irrational.My position is the rational one, that killing animals is murder but I don't care and in an emergency situation I'd even kill and eat another human, probably only drawing the line at kith and kin, and even those I'd eat if they were already dead and I had no other option to avoid starvation.弱肉強食
>>285533845also empirical. the fact of the matter is we eat what we eat so reasons for that must exist. this does not preclude veganism from giving better reasons and creating change, but if they argue we don't have a reason to eat animals whilst not eating humans that is just empirically false.
>>285533937>It is totally irrational.You haven't disproven a single argument of mine>My position is the rational one, that killing animals is murderYou haven't proven that eitherDeclaring yourself to be right is not the rational position, you're just mentally disabled.
This thread needs to watch Society of the Snow.
>>285533980When you wrestle with a pig you only get muddy and the pig enjoys it.
>>285533944But we did eat humans before. Then we decided to not do that anymore. The same decision can be made towards all other animals.>>285533907Your whole argument is that we can kill and eat animals bc they can't tell us to not do that. That argument can be directly expanded to include people with learning disabilities or no common language to teach them. Also there are scientists who claim that teaching animals sign language is possible.
>>285534022didnt they only eat the already dead ones? thats typically what happens during famines too, you dont kill people to eat them, you just eat the corpses.
>>285533838>What collection of traitsBasically imagine me listing off every single trait a human possesses until you could accurately define that as a human being.The most important being "all these traits as a default". You see they love to bring up exceptions to the rules, biological errors, to propose hypotheticals that lead to a reductio, like downs syndrome.Or they'll go for different life stages where those traits aren't true, like with infants or children (fuckers tried doing this when I proposed reproductive compatibility with the moral agent as a trait not including gender incompatibility)I despise vegans, they are super weasely, but thankfully their debate bro bullshit and obsession with having a well define moral center prevents them from their goal of "changing the world by changing the market". They are absolutely trash at converting people, and basically proving to most that having "a well explored moral principle" isn't necessary and that most people lack one and live their lives being hipocrits.I'm not going to lie some of these guys are very high IQ, but like some autist dedicating his high IQ to breaking down Mario 64, these people squander it on trying to get people to buy more Impossible meat.
>>285524604"You are literally a subhuman abomination that should never have been created"
>>285534022Not really. Those pussies only ate corpses and even that fucked up their catholicuck minds up so the fucking pope had to exonerate them.>>285534119>Imagine me saying I'm correct so I don't have to prove it to you lmfao delete yourself you debateniggerCome on. What are the traits?
>>285534089>Then we decided to not do that anymore.you are assuming the reason was a "decision" perhaps instinctively we do not eat humans, having an evolved disgust response, but in cases of famine etc is when we make the decision -to eat- humans. the reverse of your claim.>The same decision can be made towards all other animals.i said so myself. vegans exist. the issue with vegans is the same as communists and green energy etc, it is a totalitarian ideology that demands everyone conform to it. sure, we demand everyone to not eat humans, but it seems the rate of compliance for these rules is very different. why is it so much easier to convince humans to not eat humans than it is to convince them to not eat animals? perhaps the difference in results describes a difference in categories?
>>285534089>they can't tell us to not do thatAn oversimplificationRather all species of animals except humans do not have the sapience of capability to be anything more than beasts, therefore they are to be judged with a different set of morals than beings like humans, who do have sapience of capabilities for higher thinking.As for humans who are, to reduce to absurd, born without a brain, euthanasia is definetly on the table though I'm not sure about it.
>>285534239i'm just wondering, is vegan bro in favor of abortion?because i was thinking "meat eaters can tolerate vegans but why can't vegans tolerate meat eaters?">because you're committing murder you sick fuck of course that is intolerable to any good personand that's what anti-abortion people think
>>285534239We have archeological records of humans that were hunted, slaughtered and consumed like prey. There is no proof for your claim of an "evolved disgust response". In fact it's a learned cultural taboo that some civilizations simply don't possess. Your argument of totalitarian ideology is also wrong. Almost all religions have dietary restrictions in some form or the other and literally billions of people follow them voluntary because they believe it's the right and moral thing to do. Where is the differene in me telling you not to eat that animal or the preacher with the holy scripture?>>285534327>Rather all species of animals except humans do not have the sapience of capability to be anything more than beastsThis is simply wrong. There are chimps in laboratories alive today who can solve cognitive task better than you.
>>285534450>who can solve cognitive task better than you.Cool, when do they form a society, build houses and write poetry in chimp language?Being able to solve an arbitrary task does not make you a developed species. Clicking buttons really fast because a human, not another chimp, taught you how is not the same as what humans do.
>>285534197>Come one what are the traitsIt's too long anon, way too long. I'm not even a real "debate" fag, I just had a period of time where I became obsessed with listening to Vegan lives on Tiktok while playing vidya, working and what not, just to understand their game.But I'd say in simplest I can put it, Sapience as a default, in conjunction the moral agent (human) having different instinctual reactions to human faces that create emotional responses which would thus make "a living creature having a human-life face with human-like body language" a viable trait.Reproductive compatibility as a default (If you are sterile, but under normal biological conditions would be fertile, you are subjected to the same morality as your species) in the species sense, not same sex or prepubescents. Humans can't reproduce with cows is the argument being made with this trait.Then of course, Retribution, or the ability to enact retribution, as a trait. One of the major utilities in treating humanity well separate from pure morality is the fact humanity is capable of resentment and revenge.A king who doesn't heed the happiness of his people may find himself overthrown. The slave who is no kept in check by overwhelming might has a means to rebel.Treating people in a way as to not create resentment is essential. Livestock is incapable of resentment, there is no utility in minimizing their suffering if it doesn't have an adverse effect on the consumer.
>>285534239>vegans is the same as communists and green energy etc, it is a totalitarian ideologyThe show actually discusses this. Ideally veganism means harming and eating zero animals, but practically we have to accept that some animals will be harmed just because humans live. According to veganism it would be better to reduce animal consumption, it doesn't need to be eliminated completely.Same with green energy. Solar power isn't the solution to everything, but we should use it more in situations where it is effective. Fossil fuels are shit and will run out, we need to switch to other sources eventually whether it's renewable or nuclear.
>>285525608>Puts the knife away for quite literally no reasonthis is a fucking joke
>>285524604That's not proper englishIs this what EOP zoomers consume nowadays?
>>285526049Yeah but in this world vegan terrorists are a big deal which sours public opinion on veganism
>>285534239demanding everyone conform to something does not make you totalitarian... that's just every single law ever made.>>285534425I'm not even a vegan (I used to be a vegetarian long ago but quit), but no vegan I've ever met has cared about bugs, for example. The vegan argument is about distinguishing what quality a living being must have in order to justify giving them some moral consideration. For vegans, the moral consideration becomes justified when the living being has any sort of conscious experience. Animals like pigs and cows, for example, have similar brain structures to humans. So even though they are obviously much dumber than us, they still most likely have all of the physical parts required to feel emotions and have conscious experiences. bugs do not have those parts, nor plants, nor fetuses.
>>285534568Well, in case you were wondering, this is the kind of people in charge of modern subs.
>>285534532that would make sense, but it doesn't answer the question why it wasn't hard at all to convince people to 100% not be cannibals. i'm leaning towards scarcity and economics as the answer. we need the technology to come before the ideology, give me lab grown meat at the same price of regular meat first, or whatever alternative.
>>285534652They are extremely lazy about that conscious experience part. While for the most part they are using pigs and cows as their model organism for veganism morality they do sweepingly generalize when it comes to fish and vertebrates. Like, bringing up Tunacates confuses them immensely, because it's a chordate that doesn't have a brain.
>>285534652>nor fetuses.sure but the pro-life people just disagree on these features. i don't think vegans approve of eating animal fetuses though. well vegetarians eat eggs, vegans don't.
>>285534518Nice of you to admit that you don't know shit about what you are talking about. We've known since the fucking 60s that Chimps form societies. With wars, truces and betrayals. Elephants and whales create poetry. Many animals build shelters.>>285534525Sapience is not an exclusively human trait.Humans having a different brain response to human faces than animal faces says nothing about other animals.Reproductive compatibility again is not a reason since from the pov of another species that is worthless.Retribution has been observed in animals. Most notably elephants who kill humans after parts of their family was hurt or more recently the whales tipping over boats. Also be my guest and go to a national park in africa and hurt a gorilla baby and see how the rest of the family reacts.
>>285524604Humans don’t taste good, also killing and eating your own people is counter productive and makes you go crazy.
>>285533545I would eat someone declared braindead though. Murder is evil but cannibalism isn't necessarily evil. It's taboo but not evil.
>>285534797yet again, i dont think vegans approve of eating naturally deceased animals either.
>>285524604Just when I thought this interracial degeneration allegory couldn't get any more uncanny.
>>285534827That's because vegans are retarded.
>>285534758>Elephants and whales create poetryFucking lmao this dude
>>285534850they have some points, but they take what they have and run with it off a cliff imo. again, i think empirically if it really made perfect sense then it would be more popular. there is some reason its not
>>285532339>cat food>dogthis /pol/ bot is broken
>>285525454I didn't know I was an anime. Thanks for letting me know.
>>285534866Are you under the impression that poetry has to be written down?
>>285525877>Like isn't jap food 90% just vegslop?There's a ton of food that you'd never expect to have it contain animal products like fish oil, fish sauce, katsuboshi, meat broths, meat fat etc. Even if there are a lot of seemingly vegan options, a lot of them still end up containing trace amounts of food of animal origin. It's a nightmare for vegans. The vegan trend also isn't really a thing over there, as far as I could tell.
>>285534953Yes anon, elephant noises are the same as D'AnnunzioSame thing, worry not. You slam dunk owned all of us
>>285534758>Sapience is not an exclusive traitThat's why it's conjunction with other traits. Like I said, it's dealt with as a package deal.>Humans having different brains responses says nothing about other animalsIt determines a great deal about our behavior and how our brains process human versus non-human. Value on human life is important to the argument specifically because "Name the Trait" depends solely on human cannibalism or enslavement to reductio.>Reproductive compatibility is not a reason since that's worthless to another species. Again, the lack of such utility gives US a reason as moral agents to not give them consideration or fair treatment akin to a human.>Elephants have been shown to show retributionI know, but considering how vastly more dangerous mankind is than elephants, it ultimately is meaningless as a utility, sometimes.I mean yeah, lots of cases where an elephant squashes a bunch of Indians who deserve it, good on them. But elephants aren't really on our menu, are they? Or are you going for the "exploitation" part? Ultimately though, there is no utility, no obligation as moral agents to reduce the amount of suffering, especially the admittance that a total ceasing of suffering is impossible.Without some kind of utility, it doesn't matter if a billion cows are suffering or just 10, it doesn't make a difference. It only matters to those who willingly subject themselves to form an empathetic connection and share that suffering and they are fools to expect the rest of humanity to join them.The game of "name the trait that humans have that is EXCLUSIVE TO humans and not other animals so I can throw in an example of a human you'd be signing off to cannibalize" is not the game I'm willing to play. It is indeed "unbeatable" by the arbitrary standard that has been set.They never say I couldn't use traits that would be impossible for one to justify human cannibalism with a hypothetical.
I would eat every single anon in this thread.
>>285535186In a sexual way or a Jeffrey Dahmer way?
>>285535186H-hot
>>285535018Now you changed the goal-post from it not existing to it not being of the same artistic value. Nice of you to admit defeat like that.>>285535122You are begging the question. You have a pre-determined assumption about the relationship of humans to other animals and are trying to find reasons to construct an artificial destinction backwards from that standpoint.And now you even include the practical dominance of humans over animals as a reason why that dominace is justified. You can't argue more circular than that.
>>285534552did you not see the guy using a knife get totally destroyed right before that?
>>285524604???? It's simply because the vast majority of humans do not want to eat other humans. We kill eachother all the time, however. There are like 3 genocides happening right now as we speak.
>>285524604Does anyone unironically watch this shit?
>>285533863>>285533432Correct. Now, if you manage to enforce that moral preference of yours, it might actually be relevant to society at large.
>>285535595>There are like 3 genocides happening right now as we speak.However, we don't do these in our own cities because we prefer stability.
when did robbie williams get an anime?
>>285524604I cant prove him wrong, as a true egoist, anyone can eat each other if they feel like it and can achieve it.Morality is a spook
*rubs branches together watching the animalim fight each other*
>>285534568You're brown
>>285524604Sopa de macaco.
>>285535547the guy who got hit by a sneak attack? A stab wound would be 10x more debilitating than anything you think your fists might do.
>>285535480>You have a predetermined assumption about the relationship between humans and animalsPlease tell me what that assumption is, because I'm, not sure what you're referring to.Could also explain why, from the vegan perspective, that it is our purpose as moral agents to minimize suffering? Why is minimizing suffering "good"
>>285528397>peak prehistoric global wolf population: 500,000 to 2 million individuals>current global dog population: 900 million individuals>peak prehistoric global aurochs population: 5 to 15 million individuals>current global cattle population: 1.5 billion individualsServing humans is the single most OP evolutionary strategy available to the animal kingdom and it's not even fucking close.
>>285534552they were supposed not to hurt him, just kidnap him
>>285535830something about this seems off. Aren't bats supposed to make up an extremely high amount of biomass?
I read the manga and he literally fucks the human girl I'm not joking. Women will take a chimpanzee dick before thinking of talking to (YOU)
>>285536390They do, they're like 10% of that 0.007 Gt C appointed to wild mammals. Birds only outnumber bats by like three to one in biomass terms.
>>285536477Damn, I did not imagine that humanities biomass could trump bats, someone needs to pull the plug on africa and India.
>>285524604HOLY SHIT AN AMERICAN IN ANIME?!
>>285536477*wild birds that is; chickens outnumber all wild birds taken together by like fifteen to one
>>285524604Cats are off the menu to dumbass.
>>285533545The trait is actually quite simple: our divinity
>>285536191That humans are somehow better than other animals and should be treated as something special.
>>285536555Robbie Williams is English.
>>285536297Quality vs quantity.
>>285524604Because fuck off monkeyman
>>285535830brb ordering a chainsaw
>>285524604Start chimping out and beating my chest and then masturbate my penis and shoot a rope on lucy
>>285536555Yeah, he's the foreigner kid visiting an American school.
>>285535480>Now you changed the goal-post from it not existing to it not being of the same artistic value. Nice of you to admit defeat like that.No, I mantain its not poetry, elephant poetry does not exist unless your definition of poetry is completely meaningless.
>>285526542A lot of people do. It's just a normal diet preference people follow, like paleo or something, not some political view but the choice might be influenced by it. Also maybe it was an impossible burger.
>>285536579That isn't my assumption. My argument is that humanities concept of morality is derived from the human condition.The reason vegans cling to shit like dismissing appeals to nature is because it's incompatible with human society (Because animal does X we should do X).This is because humanity operates from a human social system, that exists for our benefit. It is our trait.Empathy is an emotional system "meant" to allow social cohesion within a group of humans, applying to this to other species is a spook, a glitch even, a manifestation of anthropomorphization. We apply human traits to things, making things like fish or lizards "talk" in our stories because we experience the world from the vantage point of a human being. Our perspectives are thus "impure".In some cases as with domestication of dogs, it worked in our favor, in other cases such as people going vegan over the suffering of livestock, it hasn'tI'm not assuming humanity is special, I'm assuming that as species that has manifested several social traits that serve as the backbone of morality, that it is innate in us to have a human bias. All vegans are guilty of artificially extending their empathy to another species by choice, when empathy is normally something that occurs out of social bonding. I know this to be true because as I speak a thousand people in africa just died, but you knowing this would not have a genuine emotional response equal to that of a loss of a loved one.So I know for a fact that your emotional response to thousands of suffering cows is because you've created a concept of suffering cows in your mind in which to empathize. That is a choice, or perhaps you watched a good ole suffer porn propaganda, something designed to present suffering in a way where you unwillingly create such constructs. Meanwhile the farmer doesn't choose to and performs his function without emotion.
>>285528355What kinds of deseases?
>>285534786>Humans don’t taste goodskill issue
>>285533112(fell for the bait award)First of all, your problem is that you’re trying to project human morals onto non-human beings, and you treat actions as equivalent when they’re not. Yes, killing is bad, but you’re not "killing an animal", this is about necessary consumption. Nature needs to end another life in order to live; that’s a causal reality. Just as a bear needs fish, humans fish. They say death is the highest form of love, because it’s the only instance in which you no longer cause harm to another life.Now then, if we speak strictly about veganism and cannibalism: eating a human being is wrong because they are a thinking being, capable of reasoning about their own existence; a cow is not.“But what about people with Down syndrome or in a vegetative state?” Well, that’s territory pushed completely into absurdity and taken into a separate realm, where we could even get into theological debates. But the simplest answer is what that person represents to others on a symbolic level. In the same way that a person is someone’s child, sibling, or parent, a cat or a dog is a domestic animal and means something to us, that’s why we don’t “eat” them, even if that choice is purely cultural.Your line of thinking, on the other hand, leads to the uncomfortable idea that “there are animals that are evil by nature (carnivores) and good ones (herbivores),” which is flawed.>but they are animals, they can’t think!Yes, that’s exactly the point.
>>285533545>>285533838It's not just one trait, but a series of traits.Sapience, loved ones, and the risk of disease are what I consider to be the top 3.Eating a braindead human would still make their loved ones sad, so I wouldn't do it.And even a braindead human without loved ones is biologically a human, and eating human flesh carries a high risk of prion disease.I can't think of a strong rational argument off the top of my head against eating a braindead person with zero loved ones that you know for 100% fact will not give you a prion disease if eaten.But I would still be irrationally apprehensive because my brain is wired against cannibalism as a whole due to at least one of those 3 traits being present in every human in real life.
>>285525085What if we only ate the people who got the death penalty?
>>285524604Simple. Human life is sacred, chimp life is not.you might not like it but religion has all the answers to human problems.
>>285525877>Why would he face discrimination for being vegan. Like isn't jap food 90% just vegslop?They don't eat a lot of meat, but that's mainly because it's too expensive to have a full meat dish every day.Like >>285534995 said, there's meat products in damn near everything because Japs don't really avoid meat or try to keep it separate from non-meat like westerners do.
I've never eaten chimp but this thread is making me hungry.
>>285538119That's the beauty of stating that the traits are a part of a "default" as a species, because they can't use exceptions to the rules to rug pull you on your argument.By virtue of having those traits as a default, a comatose person should be subject to the same moral standard because their abnormality isn't enough to no longer define them as a human, which by default has the symmetry breaking traits to allow for them to be treated differently from an animal.
>>285533838Mr name the trait anon, why is it that we don't try animals for crimes like humans?Could you name the exact trait that makes it ok for a horse to engage in pedophilia or a snake to eat mice?
>>285536592DNA doesn't care about quality. It cares about passing your genes on.Being useful to humans is the single best way for a species to ensure continuation.
>>285538297UMA DELICIA
>>285535823why do dumbass nerds think posting this dork makes them cool
>>285524630Fpbp.
>>285533545You can sidestep questions of traits and morality by saying intraspecies consumption isn't a common instinct observed in humans and is therefore encoded in our genome, and the law is an extragenomic encoding of normative human social values. So there's no reason, it's just a power relation imposed by one species (human, noncannibalizing) on another (chimp, cannibalizing). If we lived among chimps we would similarly ask them to change their laws and they would say no, the only constant is the power to impose laws
God granted humanity the divine spark that lets them understand good and evil more closely.
did they seriously make a chimp of all things a spokesperson for veganism?
>>285531890>materialistkek
>>285528998I know right?!
>>285538458I choose not to. I am a moral vacuum.
>>285533007>or do you think it would be fine for very dumb aliens to eat us?I wouldn't think it was fine, but I also wouldn't think they were evil for it.
>>285534758Just in case, anon, you, who fervently defend the idea that eating animals is wrong, do you think it is wrong (or at least wrong in many cases) for humans to allow animals to eat each other if alternatives exist?
>>285524604Because man is made in the image of God
>>285533921Not this. As the dominant species and masters of beast fate, we choose what animals we want as bros and what animals we want as food. That simple. You can’t eat a bro animal you fucks! That’s our bros! They’re honorary! (Of course, some places, like China, haven’t extended this bro code, or have different animals in different positions. In the end we choose). Anyway, we don’t kill and eat each other because creatures on our level (other Gods) will come after us and having a Godbro comes more in handy than not having a Godbro. Now if it was between surviving or having a Godbro, most would just pick surviving i.e. eating the killing and eating Godbro. But you can see how much riskier that is as a survival strategy. Fun-fact. Not that long ago it was legal to challenge a Godbro to a duel of mortal combat. In many tribes now/historically it’s completely acceptable to cannibalise people/opponents and take their belongings as spoils. We have just invented the prevailing system. And there lies your answer. It’s merely the most expansive ideas we have invented.
>>285538482Is he ok?
>>285524630Morals doesn't answer the question. The food you eat giving you rules is stupid
>>285538426They would argue that is an appeal to nature fallacy, typically, even if it's correct that it's not a generally observed behavior.They've gotten wise to the whole Kuru prion argument as well though I can't recall what they say about it.
>>285538592>Anyway, we don’t kill and eat each other because creatures on our level (other Gods) will come after us and having a Godbro comes more in handy than not having a Godbro.That's not the case in other social species that cannibalize each other. The problem with this kind of pragmatism is someone will simply ask "why shouldn't you eat someone who isn't handy"? The actual reason is likely arbitrary (i.e., was selected for ~200,000 years ago)
>>285538592>i.e. eating the killing and eating Godbro.*i.e killing and eating Godbro.
>>285524604Why is Charlie drawn in such simple way while his mother is detailed realistic chimp?
>>285538705it was selected for because the cannibalistic retards lost to the tribes that used people for useful purposes. only civilisation that were unable grow crops retained those barbaric sub 50 iq practices
>>285538675It's not a logical argument it's just a biological imperative. Another example is why don't humans kill themselves after successfully reproducing like other animals? There are conditions that incite similar reasoning as in euthanasia, and there's little logic beyond what we consider an unfulfilling life, a bad prognosis, or more recently uneconomic or unsustainable
>>285538989>it was selected for because the cannibalistic retards lost to the tribes that used people for useful purposes.Possibly, altho another anon wrote chimps are cannibalistic and they are organized into tribal groupings, so the precise reason is likely pretty subtle
>>285524604If you pass the harkness test, you have a mind that may contribute to society.
>>285539002>Another example is why don't humans kill themselves after successfully reproducing like other animals? are you actually demented? if you leave a baby human in the wild its survival chances are near zero, the species that die after reproduction don't need to rear their offspring for them to live>>285539123Chimps are cannibalistic against other tribes because they cannot uphold slavery, they do not have the means nor meaning to orderly employ prisoners of war. Moreover I doubt that cannibalism is that frequent unless there is severe food scarcity
>>285525550Why do you need any other answer than it is.We decided that, that's the only answer that matters.
>>285538705Unless you have enough manpower or plan to live on the edge on the run/hiding from Godbro’s friends and family who gained value and status from Godbro’s addition to the food sourcing, defense forces, construction speed, brain power, and other general positives he brought to the tribe, and consequently everyone of the tribe, what you’re saying is just suicidal. Though it happens because status is the name of the game and dumb fucks/gamblers exist.Social animals are social because they cooperate. Doesn’t mean they don’t have enemies and don’t kill other tribes or members who make the wrong decisions.The point here is, it’s just stupid to kill people when we can so easily bring them into the fold to help us survive or do whatever the fuck we want to do easier. That’s before even considering the top-down social contract enforced by a government.
>>285525550Because that's what we decided.
>>285525809>>285525837Isn't the joke that it looks like he's making a banger argument but due to his bizarre background and being half-monke the question might be legit?
>>285524604Sapience. Sapience is the difference between moral and immoral. Yes, sentient things can feel pain, but sapience is the distinction between why it's feeling that pain and simply feeling it. Therefore, sapience dictates we do not take the lives of those capable of those thoughts.
>>285539282>are you actually demented? if you leave a baby human in the wild its survival chances are near zeroThat only extends suspending death until they can take over from the previous generation. It wasn't an actual question, it's just comparing mutually irrational imperatives
>>285524604"Humans don't really provide much nourishment for other humans."
>>285525550Probably because its associated with human sacrifice in ancient cultures.Even prehispanic cultures hated the aztecs for being blood maniacs and joined the spanish just to get rid of the aztecs.
>>285539401>The point here is, it’s just stupid to kill people when we can so easily bring them into the fold to help us surviveSomeone will simply ask why you don't exclude those who aren't helpful in that case, so there's something missing in your account
>>285525608No but im gonna masturbate to the porn.
>>285533545>claims to debunk name the trait >instead validates it entirely Kek, your defaultness argument literally just credits an individual with attributes they lack simply because the group average has themThis is not a loophole, it's an admission that your criteria are arbitraryYou are just protecting your tribe via circular logic (I value humans because I am one) while pretending it is consistent philosophy
>>285533112>A sufficiently advanced spacetraveling alien raceWhy people think that an alien race capable of space travel would do it for another reason that resources.
>>285524604>you are not allowed to eat humansbut you are allowed, retardget lost in the mountains with your friends one of these daysyou will learnoh you will learn
>>285524604Why is it only human beings we're allowed to have sex with?
>>285526057>Because the goal of the gene is to spreadImagine enabling bad genes to SPEAD.Remove yourself from the genepool pls
>>285539282But not zero.Almost like social cues are important huh.
Rule of the jungle is correct but it is vast in it's entity.Laws and restrictions are put by the powerful so the weak abide by them.It just so happens that the winners were morally good or we would have a majority world where we sacrifice our kids and wives to the village elders to maybe stop the rain.
>>285525628>yes humans are carnivores, humans can't digest plant food.retardwe eat meat, fruits and mushroomsseeds and greens are bad, hell eating seeds with red meat just produces chemicals that cause cancer. if you read any article saying meat produces cancer it is because of these chemicals>>285525662>vegetablefruit you meanvegetables are useless
Why don't we arrest and execute chimps and monkeys for fucking their own children and little girl, boy monkeys?
>>285531772>never actual humans or animals big enough that they'd have to bite chunks off.okay but what if cows were 20 times bigger, uh?
>>285525567Cannibalistic behavior has been observed in chimpanzee populations, though it's rare.
>>285540260Yeah, there was a study on how the introduction of christianity into europe measurably changed the european genome but can't find it now
>>285539743Culture(status)/cost/gain/identity. Don’t make me have to explain everything for you, I’d need to write a book. Humans also put potential on each other so when do we know to kill someone? We don’t kill our old because we’ve been taught killing is wrong and to respect our elders is another aspect. Otherwise many times in history people have killed the old, sick and dumped crippled babies (Usually wandering tribes from what I’ve read). We have the modern excesses to humor ourselves with the extra burdens nowadays however. >>285539002Foods, status, sex. The same impetus that drives us in young age, we can get kicks of dopamine out of it into old age.
>>285540518They’d taste good
>>285540790>We don’t kill our old because we’ve been taught killing is wrong and to respect our elders is another aspect. Otherwise many times in history people have killed the old, sick and dumped crippled babies (Usually wandering tribes from what I’ve read). We have the modern excesses to humor ourselves with the extra burdens nowadays however.The same habits that have allowed us to proliferate become the same habits that undue us later.
>>285539002Honestly the answer to your first question is our reproductive rate is so slow and our infants require such specialized care we need decades of extra life span just to ensure they make it to an independent state.
>>285541000Yes, mother and baby are highly vulnerable in humans, thus society. Another reason is due to our brains i.e. creativity being our weapons, and the consequent discoveries not being knowledge easily inherited, there is an educational system that the young must graduate to in turn survive the complex human game.
>>285539860>the group average has them.In order for a species to continue its existence it needs a certain number of attributes considered "healthy" to continue replicating. Anomalies like mental retardation or infertility are a direct interference to this process and thus couldn't be considered the default.The "average" isn't arbitrary, it is essential to understanding the "process" of a living thing. The moral exceptions towards those anomalies exists solely for the benefit of those whom have empathetic ties to such anomalies (I.E a mother who's son has downs syndrome).>It's circular logicUnfortunate, but ultimately true. We as humans cannot escape the bias of valuing our own species, because the very concept of "value" is ingrained in our biological imperative.How else would you be able to define "right and wrong" outside of primal biological concepts?
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>>285526439>>285526668>>285536424Wow, people are really fixated on the fact that Charlie fucks Lucy that they always have to bring it up. Yeah, the white girl gets fucked by the funny monkey guy. That's not what this thread is about.
>>285536424have you tried being interesting to talk to?
>>285539002>Another example is why don't humans kill themselves after successfully reproducing like other animals?Because human babies are exceptionally helpless for an exceptionally long time compared to other animals?Because humans usually only have one baby at a time, so killing yourself after having one means going below replacement rate?Because humans are an intelligence-centric species, and humans whose parents lived long enough to pass on wisdom fared better than ones who didn't?
>>285524604Maybe it's different in Japan, but there are very few animals that are socially acceptable to eat or even just kill.
>>285524604>"Humans rule the planet, so we make the rules."It's not rocket science.Also there are plenty of species you aren't allowed to kill and eat, and if you want to eat a human, you can. But whatever, you stupid chimp.
>>285545254The chimp is searching for a reason why he shouldn't shoot you in the head and eat your face, provided he can get away with it.
>>285524604Simple, if humans tasted good, we'd have already done that
>>285531334Ew man, what the fuck. Really. Not even racism memes, it's a chimpanzee.
>>285545400There are plenty of reasons.Does he want a moral ruling that is constantly applied to every choice of his existence?Does he want some instant gratification reward or exchange?Does he want to avoid punishment and random trouble?You come up with your own answers. And there are infinite answers and reasonings to everything.Maybe he doesn't know I'm the masturbator master and I could jack him off extremely well if he didn't kill me.Or maybe I have a gun and I'm better than him at killing things.Or maybe killing living beings is just inherently wrong and sad because your mirror neurons are overdeveloped and you want to apply some idealistic logic to everything because you are a faggot.Try to kill a human, eat it and see what happens, or run a mental simulation of it. It's up to you.
>>285524604people get squemish around another human's corpse, while a plucked chicken makes most people hungry, its litterally that simple
>>285545400is that really what is going on there? if so its kind of sad for the monkey man :(
>>285524604There are in fact laws and taboos against eating plenty of creatures across most cultures.In the American context he finds himself in eating dog is considered not ok for example.
>>285545898He wants a convincing reason why it's Wrong on a metaphysical level. I am sure he knows it might carry "consequences" etc>>285546399I, for one, am happy he is so inquisitive.
>>285524604There are millions of species of food and you want to encourage cannibalism?
>>285546484If it were wrong on a metaphysical level, it simply wouldn't be allowed.We can't prove metaphysics are real, we can't prove anything is real in the first place without deluding ourselves or ignoring fundamental truths of reality.Why ask questions to others as if they'd be able to know more than you something for certain?No such thing. If you want an answer, you have to figure it out on your own.Tl;dr: human society/planet, human rules & standards of morality
>>285525522>>28553023650,000 civilians cannibalized in the seige of Suiyang is too high. Historians think that even the upper bound of 30,000 people is implausible. Something about the siege of Suiyang that made it noteworthy which I don't think is emphasized enough is the level of organized and systemic logistics of the cannibalism, even to the point of having a clear gender hierarchy. Women and girls were eaten first. The whole thing started with the general slaughtering his concubine and forcing his soldiers to eat her. After they ate all the female civilians, the soldiers turned to elderly men and boys (men of fighting age were spared), and most of them were probably already dead by then so there wouldn't be many left. Cannibalism happened all over the world throughout history, especially during sieges and famines. It may seem unthinkable to us now but a lot of times it wasn't considered as taboo as it is today. It's far from the only incident of cannibalism in China. It happened all the time in their many famines. There was a custom during famines that was practiced throughout Chinese history of families swapping children, usually girls, to slaughter and eat. There are also reports from places outside China practicing the same custom of exchanging daughters to eat during famines. Human meat was even sold in markets during times of starvation in China, especially young women and children. They were openly butchered and sold as meat like any other animal. Women's flesh was considered tastier (and was therefore more expensive) than men's flesh. If you look at cases of organized cannibalism like that throughout history, you'll see a general pattern of greater preference and demand for the bodies of women which were considered more delicious and prized.
>>285524604Humans used to that all the time for most of their existence in earth
Society exists to make sure immoral outliers are punished. Want to eat humans then it's fair game for you to get your face bashed in by cops and dragged into prison forever.
>>285547211So nothing's really holding him back, it's all up to monkey's ego
>>285524604For one thing Charlie it constitutes trepass to individual.But hey if rule.of law breaks down, its anyone's game, just look Holodomor and Great Leap Forward
>>285524604Transmissible disease risk is massive, and we're not very good eating besides. That said, in an emergency situation, i see no worthwhile taboo against cannibalism if done with caution to avoid getting violently sick.
>>285545898Why is it wrong?Don't say religion btw.
>>285547416That's how things have always been.>>285547463You are an agent of life, your duty is to live and propagate living. Your circumstances were dictated by randomness, so all existences are equally valuable in the logic system of life that created you. Killing with the intention to kill is wrong because it's hypocritical, devalues your own existence and changes your original purpose in something that might result in critical failure and collapse of the whole system.It's simply not sustainable, that's why it's wrong.
>>285547696We will all die, life itself is pointless.
>>285524630>>285524691>>285524604People don't realize that monkeys, specially Chimpanzees and their genetic bastards, are diabolical by nature.
>>285548672This guy gets it. Whatever meaning you want to give life you gotta invent it. Whether you’re the goodest of goys or the most evil subhuman, you will die all the same.
>>285544219>Yeah, the white girl gets fucked by the funny monkey guy. That's not what this thread is about.NO no no, you can't just brushed off the monkey fucking girl like that.It's a girl getting fucked by a monkey, like how? This isn't like porn where the girl getting paid to fuck a monkey, she literally having sex with a monkey. A monkey can get laid more than the watcher themselves.
>>285548672>life itself is pointlessthe point of life is unknown, not pointless. big distinguishment there
>>285550100That’s the spirit anon. Just make something up to make yourself feel better.
>>285550172did you even read what I said
>>285534552>>285525820If you actually watched the show they didn't want to kill the chimp, they wanted to kill his family. There's your answer.
>>285550172Life is not pointless. We just don’t know the point.
>>285550180This was meant for you. >>285550357But question. Do you think the universe then has an ending?
>>285549772It's just a drawing.
>>285524604>its wrong to eat people why>because people say so
>>285550180>>285550498Let me rephrase this (since I’m doing multiple things at once and steered off subject). Do you think life has a payoff? (Since we know it has an end).
>>285524604Prions retard>B-but what if prions didnt existIf my mom had wheels she would be a bike
>>285533545>argument to boils down to "because it just is"
>>285550724I'm saying we don't know. It's like asking me what's past the edge of the observable universe. You just gotta get comfortable with not knowing.But what we do know is that we are unique existences incomparable to anything else. So to claim our existence is pointless seems wrong to me.
>>285524604Then would you mind if I ate you?
>>285533545>Arguing with vegan>You wouldn't eat a human would you >No retard prions exists >What's that>Mad cow disease>But that's in cows>... People can get it too from eating people>Oh. If prions didn't exist would you at people?These people are just looking for a stick to beat people with not intellectual conversation. Regardless the answer is yah I would if need be
Cannibalism has many issues both practical and moral:>Must kill your fellow man to get the meat (friends, countrymen, etc), which is wrong AND wastes someone who could help hunt/farm >cannibalism leads to prion diseases which literally eat your brain >Human farms would be required, which is not only abhorrent, but is incredibly ineffective compared to literally all the animals we domesticatedWe already figured this out for millions of years.
>>285551061If I want to conjure a point, it’s accretion and proliferation/dissipation. It’s the trajectory everything (energy, solid or otherwise) follows. But the idea of pointlessness is a human conception anyway, and you can put the point at whatever junction you choose. For some the “point” could be evolution.
>>285524604That's not true, you are also not allowed to kill dogs and cats.
>>285551531And yet you cannot deny that 'human conception' is unique.
>>285524604Because the retaliation would be too much for you to survive. If you mean morally, then there's nothing wrong with killing humans any more than it is wrong to kill any other lifeforms.
>>285550945>We have to le heckin extend our morality to other species just because it's good sir!>Good is good!
>>285525845unhinged obama
>>285538345DNA doesn't care about anything period
>>285524604because you'll get a prion disease and the shakes.
>prions prions prionsThat's only if you eat someone who has prion disease, and most of the risk comes from eating the brain. This isn't a real argument against cannibalism.
I think instead of vegans questioning normal human behavior that has helped us reach where we are today we should question why vegans are as they are. And I bet it would not be a pretty answer.
>>285533845Reductio ad absurdum works because edge cases are effective at showing how certain arguments break down in a formal capacity after a certain point. Many retards will often mistake an informal truth for an absolute one, or even an apparent truth (which is actually false) for real truth. Reductio ad absurdum is a tool for boiling down an argument to it's pure logical form. Not for misrepresenting an argument by removing relevant information. If some one does that they're not using to correctly.That said, since I suspect you're getting triggered over this technique in an irrational manner, I would suggest that any time you think to disregard on argument on that basis you make damn sure that's what a person is really doing, and keep an open mind.
>>285552203It does spread through meat other than the brain even if the highest concentration of prions are in the brain, considering it spreads throughout the nervous system.
>>285552427Vegans should not be using it, its in disingenuous.They pretend that they've discovered some kind of absurdity in swapping an animal and a human's position on the trolley track without realizing that the only reason it breaks down to begin with is humans value humans over animals. They've admitted it themselves that the absurdity is derived from humans being eaten, enslaved, force bred, etc.Basically, they're the ones making the proposition that humanity should hold animals to the same moral standards we set for ourselves on the grounds of sentience, without actually providing a logical reason why we should.Limiting suffering of course, isn't a logical reason, because there is not utility in it.
How does /a/ do it? Even with all it's flaws it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards.
if you can't understand the logical basis for human morality or the objective wealkys
>>285524604Pretty sure this thing isn't a human anyway.
Sequel about his son when?He will be more human and whiter.
>>285524604because if people started eating human meat they will realize how much we poisoned themcan't have that
>>285553024This is indistinguishable from a barely on topic /v/ thread though. Like the ones where there is a game with some controversial plot point that veers off into the message the game was trying to convey.
>>285553092>About his sonHumans and Chimps have differing chromosomal counts, and hybrid species of that nature tend to have major fertility issues.
>>285553064In his case I'd still be concerned about destroying property and a research specimen, but that's not his question.
>>285553305That's a lie about genetics to stop humans from breeding with animals.Human x pig, human x monkey, human x dog, human x sheep hybrids are a thing in history and have always been killed to prevent people from realizing that cross species breeding is possible.
>>285525845Kino
>>285524604Pretty sure we're not allowed to kill and eat Cats and Dogs in most countries.
>>285533545It really sucks discussing this show because conservatives/Christians are media illiterate and have knee jerk reaction to shit that they see out of context. He has no opposition to their life choices, he just asks these hypotheticals to make them think more about their beliefs instead of blindly following what others say. A major theme of the show is that people who believe in objective/black-and-white morality inevitably end contradicting themselves. The Vegan terrorist group not only killed animals along with humans, they also tried killing the vegans who adhered to their core beliefs. It's how pro-1A/2A types now oppose concealed carry and the right to protest.
>>285552254It's always one single, extremely salty philobro channeling his mental energy into sustaining a superiority complex over the "evil", hypocritical low IQ masses, surrounded by equally low IQ middle aged women who do etsy tier bullshit like create animal sanctuaries on their husbands properties, of whom the Philobro makes an exception and tolerates despite them chiming in like harpies to make long winded meandering, barely coherent arguments against the opposition and actively detracting from his performance.You can tell the Philo bro is aware these women add absolutely nothing of value to the conversation, ad homoning and anecdotalling the whole way through, but he needs them to quell the daunting loneliness of his absolute waste of intelligence and time.This has been my experience with every vegan debate ever. One high IQ, well spoken guy who's gone down an extremely pointless rabbit hole of a lost cause, losing his faith in humanity daily, re-assuring he's "above everyone" and then barely able to mask his emotions when an opposition comes along who matches him in, should his squawking cheerleaders manage to shut up.There is something wrong with them, whether intelligent or not they are all seeking some sort of recognition for being "good". You have to be an extremely conceited person to look at the issues of the world and decide all of them are beneath you and only radically changing everyone's diet for the sake of cows is worth your time. They are a glutton for disappointment, there is more hope in wishing Palestine to be free, let alone Catalonia receiving independence from Spain than to fulfill the vegan mission.
>>285554239Blame OP for deliberately framing it that way. Not everyone here read the manga, most people here see an anime monkey man making a bog standard vegan argument.
>>285524604Damn, americans are becoming uglier and uglier.Back in my day americans had european facial features, blond hair and blue eyes. What the hell happened?
>>285533328>>285533432For you.
>>285554239>media illiterateFuck the media, you gaylord.
>>285524604I mean you can do it, your fellow man is just going to kill you or lock you away forever if you do because people would not want to be in society with that person.
>>285548672That's irrelevant,even if it wasn't your argument is pointless because it implies you know the true nature of the universe.>>285552203You can develop prion disease even without eating someone not infected anon>>285552254Vegans are retards plants are all living beings they don't mind to butcher because they can't perceive them making sad faces
>>285554239Yes the characters insist that they don't care if you eat meat. They also talk ad nauseum about veganism while emotionally manipulative music plays in the background, completely halting the plot and any character development or thematic exploration to profess the real-world virtues of veganism
>>285556004Its always like this they appeal to emotional manipulation for one part of the argument while trying to pretend they are thinking of "both sides"
>>285550634still a cross-species sex.
>>285536592
as communal creatures, we desire safety, but murder amongst our ourselves breaks that feeling of communal security that allows for the level of trust and communication necessary for community stability. before you, we had no other species that could rival humans in cognitive function and communication, and as such, all these restrictions against killing was for humans killing humans. to remain in this human society, you are to demonstrate that you too are at the level of cognition to partake in these restrictions that are implemented to uphold the delicate stabilty of human society same as other humans. you are born somewhere between the animal and the animal that is human, and as such the understanding of your capabilities is unknown, and it is hangs on you a unfortunate presence of danger. humanity is still a skittish and fearful species and often ostracizes that which we cannot understand. that may be your duty, if you should so choose it, getting us to understand you. despite being so numerous amongst ourselves, humanity as the singular entity is alone in this universe. humanity has no brothers here on this earth or amongst the stars. you may be that brother right here beside us.
>>285528998Hehehe
>>285525877Go fight a chimp and tell us how it goes.
>>285526542what happened to vegetarians anyway? why is everybody a vegan now?
>>285533460you mean fantasy? there are plenty of sci-fi isekai
>>285553092>whiter>Americans>white
>>285549772>A monkey can get laid more than the watcher themselves.It's fiction, anything can happen as long as the writer wants it to happen.
>>285538345Hey my organs are fucked from selective breeding, my brain is lobotomized and I die in a couple of years, but at least my genes are passed on to create further abominations because they look cute to the dominant species!
monke
>>285558141>at least my genes are passed onAnd that’s the gist of it. If it multiplies it thrives (not really, but I’m trying to rhyme).
>>285524767>>285533545I mean yeah the whole argument is dumb anyways, we obviously value something greater than the sum of it's parts, even the retarded/brain dead example doesn't make any sense, we clearly value, respect and pay respect to DEAD people, we don't go around throwing bodies around like it's fuel or whatever, there are many laws in place to even regulate how we deal with them such as organ donation, and we clearly treat grave robbing like a crimeeven the sillies argument of "me like humans because humans look like me" already gets to the heart of something very deep about our psychology that the edgy vegan tards purposely choose to ignore
>>285538151There needs to be no incentive for justice outside of rehabilitation or removal. Can you imagine how quickly the justice system will fall apart if you're allowed to donate blood to reduce your sentence?
>>285525601>hard wired in our brains or somethingIt literally is, we are hardwired to not kill one-another and doing to is severely traumatic. Why do you think armies spend so much time dehumanizing the shit out of the enemy? That, and eating primate brains causes prion problems.
>>285524767Humans should be allowed to eat each other, actually. All life is equal. Equally delicious.
>>285524604he's right
>>285524604Because we're humans and we'd rather not have to deal with other humans hunting us and eating us, and over time these kind of societal rules become moral and religious taboos. It's not like we consider tigers evil for eating humans when they get the chance, we just kill them for self-defense reasons.
>>285553479Your a fucking idiot if you believe this. If it were possible you would see some floating around
>>285554011Killing strays is fair game in burger land
>>285559053>It's not like we consider tigers evil for eating humans when they get the chancePeople did though. Wolves as well, and made all kinds of stories about big bad wolves, even though they were super important to the ecosystem.
>>285557609This isn't fantasy, it's possible irl and likely has happened in underground labs so it's sci-fi.
>>285558839I have coomed to this many times. Man need to make more sequels. Honestly we just need more predators insect girls
>>285560081>>285560209Retard. It happens every day in Brazil
>>285560157>made all kinds of stories about big bad wolvesThe intention of the stories was never assigning morality to the wolves but just instill a fear of wolves in kids which wouldn't instinctively be afraid of them.It's the same reason they created stories like the Yuki Onna for example, the point was teaching to not try to cross a mountain during winter because you'll end up dead (and naked when they find you in spring)
>>285560758It's both anon, I've lived at the countryside among dumb hicks and they really do think coyotes are evil for killing their livestock and cats and dogs can be evil just because they're aggressive (because of rabies or abuse).
>>285560758To add big bad wolf isn't even about muh bad wolf but rather about construction material lmao
>>285560900People hate coyotes because they take away things that are theirs retard not because they are evil
>>285560900>>285560957>human does it = EVIL!>animal does it = it's his nature!
>>285560918I was thinking more about the Grimm brothers stories, there's dozens various of them in each european country as well.>>285560957You're really just missing my point so I'll stop here. It's one of those things you won't understand unless you interact with those kind of people yourself so I doubt I'll convince you with an anonymous post.
>>285561002Merely pretending to be retarded I'm sure
>>285561002Yes.If you don't have a rationale you cannot have morals. That's why Kant excluded the mentally disabled.
>>285561052>Boy who cried wolfIt's about lying not wolfs>Little red Riding HoodIt's about not trusting strangers>7 young goats See aboveNeed I go on? None of these are actually about wolfs. Works are just stands ins as they are known dangerous animals
>>285561052The moral of these stories isn't even about wolves, but people who you shouldn't trust.
>>285561052>It's one of those things you won't understand unless you interact with those kind of peopleNigger I am the dumb hick that shoots strays and coyotes that keep coming back after trying to scare them off. Get the fuck out of here
>>285529741People in the past also killed their virgins thinking it would make their crops grow better, and "Balanced the Humors"
>>285561052This is the kind of retard calling rural people hicks btw. Doesn't understand basic parables
>>285561322Cool. Are you also my uncle who thinks every animal with rabies is possessed by the devil? And killed one of his dog's pups with a shovel because he thought a pattern on its fur was an evil omen?It's probably hard to really understand how superstitious people can be when you get used to living in the city I guess, so I'll cut you some slack.
>>285561563Your uncle is a retard and shouldn't be used as a measuring stick as he is retarded. Your poor understanding of fables shows that your intelligence isn't too far off his though so I will be nice
>>285561563>It's probably hard to really understand how superstitious people can be when you get used to living in the city I guessCity flags are just as superstitious if not more. Just instead of it being about logical things that keep them alive it's for shit that is actively enslaving them
Living your life without meat is what causes mental and physical issues.I feel for charlie, he should eat atleast some meat every week or atleast eat insects.
>>285547696Things needn't be sustainable. Most things aren't sustainable at all.
>>285561720Then kill yourself already?
>>285561764Why?
>>285561803Why not? Things don't need to be sustainable, your life doesn't need to be sustainable.Follow your own logic and standards, or be labeled as hypocritical.
>>285561595>Your uncle is a retardYes, him and the entire village. But the original point started from "humans don't think animals are evil even if they're predators". I've seen the contrary, it's up to you to believe it or not. I doubt the average peasant in the past was closer to (You), the guy shitposting on a mongolian anime forum right now, and not closer to my uncle and the average peasant there.I guess your ego just doesn't want to accept that people really can be like that, which is okay, it denotes your optimism.
>>285561803So you don't need sustained retard
>>285524604Because violence is the authority from which all other authorities are derived from. Humans are the most powerful force on the planet and therefore you have to live in the framework of human law.
>>285560758Don't care, fucking the blue woman. The monster is on the outside.
>>285562136Based Heinleinfag. I have never heard a good argument against this quote and I don't think I ever will. Whether we like it or not might makes right regardless of who wields it
>>285524604Ask him what he thinks would happen to the society that provides for him should it suddenly decline rapidly and interfere with his way of life.If all cows suddenly died out, while problematic, society itself would not collapse.
>>285562136So if a non human species kills and eats humans take over several countries you have no problem with them eating humans moral wise? it's their culture and normalcy to eat humans afterall.
>>285525877@Grok is this true?
>>285562297Have a problem with? Yes but thems the breaks if I care enough I'll do something about it.
>>285562297what makes you think you have to agree with the authority of the land? I can both not like it and accept that might does indeed make right
>>285562626> Distance + environment>If the human can: >maintain distance>avoid grappling range>use barriers, elevation, or narrow spaces>Odds improve dramatically.>Chimps are devastating up close—but less effective when they can’t close.
>>285562798
>>285524604Homo homini lupus. If we want to live in asociety, we have to not be a danger to one another. Hence the need for rules such as not killing or eating one another, and means of enforcing those.It's basically comes down to the only potential predators to a human being another human. So we destroy that possiblity through common agreement and means to enforce them (police force, prison...). There's no need to do that with other species since they don't have the capabilities to be a danger to us.
>>285537255https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)
>>285524604>>285533545I would LOVE to eat human meat, I have no idea why. A shame it's illegal in almost all the planet.
>>285524604Who knitted your shirt, monkebro?That's right. Good old Homo Sapiens.You don't eat who makes your clothes.That's just common sense and good manners.
>>285524604
>>285524604>あなたはブラジル人ですか
>>285562297It is indeed. And as human it would be our prerogative to fight back and if needed exterminate them. See Shiki for an exemple. They were wrong to literally slaughter humans beings in the process, but they were utterly justified in their extermination of vamps.
>>285537132>>285538099>no replyholy shit, the species cuck got absolutely destroyed lmao, reading this thread has been very entertaining
"Allow" comes from a position of authority. Violence is the ultimate authority from which all authority is derived. If Bears or Lions or Dogs or any other species on the planet had the capability to subjugate humanity and all other species the way humans can, then they would then be "allowed" to kill and eat us, harvest us for meat and breed us, even. But they can't, so they're not allowed to.
>>285524604Is this show good? Or at least entertaining?
>>285562297Anon you fail to realize that if a non human species kills and eats humans take over several countries, they're already well into the "might" category enforcing their own rules, what you think you could just go there and debate them to kill themselves or stop? Yes we as humans being victimized by said non human species could certainly feel "bad" or that it is "morally wrong" to do so, but to them that wouldn't matter one iota because their values are fundamentally different
>>285555985>You can develop prion disease even without eating someone not infected anonIt's rare but it can happen, but then it has nothing to do with cannibalism.
>>285524604Congrats for being born, you live in a world where morality is not a real thing and thinking too much about it is autism. Plant eaters cope with the fact they can't empathise nor add human values with something so much different like salads: can't move, inaudible pain, don't have the muscles to express emotions.All earth life is related to LUCA, by definition every organism that doesn't feed on minerals commits a sort of parricide to maintain its own existance. Life evolved that way.Hypocrisy (also racism/specism) is not a fault but an essential element of life at the scale of individuals and their groups, no protagonism is a shortcut to extinction. Only humans have a problem with this and are stupid enough to bridle themselves for "beliefs", natural selection will judge them in time.
>>285526796>>285528720>>285534786>>285545511>tasteEven though I've never tried cannibalism, I have no doubt that the flesh of girls and young women tastes delicious. It must be true.
>>285564448No. Depends but the general consensus is no unless you can get a giggle out of pseudo intellectual trite shite
>>285566552It's also wrong. Mummy jerky was a thing and supposedly extremely tasty
>>285562297>if a non human species kills and eats humans take over several countries you have no problem with them eating humans moral wise?That's been the rule of nature and the animal kingdom in general for about 500 million years ago from since the Cambrian explosion. Nothing wants to die but at the end of the day things have to die, be it plant, fungi, animal or otherwise, for something else to survive. The reason humans don't eat other humans, really any large predatory (though it does happen), is because to function as a group, be it a pride for lions or a community for humans, you need to be able to not cannibalise each other so you evolve a psychological aversion and potentially bodily reactions to the act of cannibalism. Would I want for another species to eat humans? No not really I like that we are at the top of the food pyramid. Will I try to moralise about another predator species eating humans? No that's retarded, they are non-predator humans and if humans are prey then all that's left to do is fight them for survival like what we did with all our other predators in the past.
>>285566923>they are non-predator humans*non-human predatorsBut also to expand on this, it's like being mad at a bear for eating humans and trying to moralise it. You can't really do that, it's borderline insane to do that.
>>285531334Typical white girl.
>>285566631And I propose it can get far tastier than your example. If you're cooking the tender meat of a girl/young woman, turning her into jerky sounds like it'd be a waste and about the worst way to go about it.
>>285568429Completely agree. I can only imagine how good woman thigh meat taste. It's basically veal with now little most women use their thigh muscles
>>285533545Sapience is one principle that shows why humans can't be eaten unlike animals, but that doesn't mean we can't also have social rules and laws that say "hey, by the way you also cannot eat non sapient human beings because they're humans and we also value that for itself and for some sense of sanctity"Also cannibalism is bad for other reasons than that so it's doubly wrong
>>285551324You're too stupid to even realize you accidentally lost the debate. You claim you don't eat humans because muh prions but you do eat cows despite the risk of them having transmissible deadly prion diseases as well.
>>285539742those cultures practiced human sacrifice and ritualistic cannibalism as wellthey rebelled against the aztec because they didn't want to be their tributaries
>>285524604No idea about the laws of your tribe Mr. Monke but in my country it extends to all primates. You can eat me without killing me, though ;)
>>285568697Sapience alone is not the symmetry breaker, as stated it's a collection of things.But really, there is actual utility for humans to not eat humans right down to out biological state of existence.It's not worth the risk, mankinds ability for revenge, the sacrifice of reproductive potential, etc.>>285568891Prion diseases are misfolded protiens. Some of which can be produced by your own body by random error. However there is an association with cannibalism and prion diseases across animals.It is speculated that mad cow disease arose from accidental cannibalism.
>>285533545>The solution is essentially, the collection of traits that define a human Which are...? Surely something as important as taking a life would have concrete and well thought out logic behind it. Your vagueness and inability to pinpoint what it is about non-humans that make them morally permissible to slaughter just implies that those traits aren't actually valuable to you. >This is because there is no single trait you can use but a collection of traits that have to be held to a standard of "defaultness" You can bake that in the hypothetical though. Hypothetically if we found a isolated tribe that was fully human but they all had a genetic disorder that was passed down 100% of the time where they had severe cognitive impairment, would you be in favor of forcibly breeding and slaughtering them for food? You could even take it a step further and say this is post nuclear war and the human population has been reduced to the point where the tribespeople are the majority of the human species on the planet.
>>285561852>>285562073Life isn't sustainable already. >It's simply not sustainable, that's why it's wrong.Is an asspull.
>>285568891You simply don't eat cows with prions disease. Simple as
>>285524604I will draw myself as the chad and him as the basedjack
>>285569407>Hypothetically if we found a isolated tribe that was fully human but they all had a genetic disorder that was passed down 100% of the time where they had severe cognitive impairment, would you be in favor of forcibly breeding and slaughtering them for food????????????????Do we forcibly breed apes for food? Do we find it okay to eat apes? Yeah for sure we would breed some humans to eat them just because we found some unknown tribe of them. God you vegans are so fucking retarded
>>285569407The one capable of being the moral agent in that scenario would be considered the default state of the mutants and thus extend his morality onto them. This is because there would be no sustained idea of morality if such mutants were the standard.
>>285569630I was referring to cows, but feel free to explain the differences for me that allows the farming of one but not the other. >Do we forcibly breed apes for food? Yes. and if we didn't that proves my point if anything.
>>285524604we shoudl kill brazilians
kek, what the fuck is thread? seriously you're all fucking retarded
>>285570092Not an argument.
>>285569960>Yes.Where are these mythical factory farms breeding apes for consumption? Tell me which grocery store do you go to buy your ape meat. There are some tribes that even eat people is that proof it's somehow not frowned upon? Just because some savages choose to hunt and kill apes doesn't mean it's done universally, or it is universally accepted.>and if we didn't that proves my point if anything.How? It proves the exact opposite, you seem to imply that it's all the same, and just because some humans are retarded we would breed and kill them and I'm forcing you to confront the fact that it is more complicated than that, there is a "closeness" that most people feel with apes that makes it more frowned upon to fuck with them. Explain that one to me, why are more people okay with eating cows or chicken than they are with apes? They're all the same somehow, yet you seemingly choose to ignore that truth.
>>285569522You simply don't eat humans with prion disease. You won't get infected from a human without prion disease.
>>285570103correct it was a statement, retard lmao
>>285569960>Shitholes in West Africa and Indonesia Yeah ok retard. Might as well point out the still practicing cannibal tribes on how it's actually ok
>>285570092Nah they are merely pretending.
>>285569911>The one capable of being the moral agent in that scenario would be considered the default state of the mutantsWhy? That sounds ridiculous if it got to the point where a small population of moral agents would be setting the standard for the entire species, and would lead to some silly implications, such as if one day a single hyper intelligent pig was born that was capable of moral agency would suddenly elevate the entire species of pig to being moral agents. >This is because there would be no sustained idea of morality if such mutants were the standard.Sure there would. For all we know there could be trillions of those humans living underground right now and we are just the anomalies in our species. We would still have our morals and society as we do now. Hell if you look at early hominids this is kinda what happened.
>>285570197Quite literally not how that works retard. Eating a non infected human can cause prions
>>285570165>Just because some savages choose to hunt and kill apes doesn't mean it's done universally, or it is universally accepted.So it's just a cultural thing and you don't have any specific reason as to why it's bad? Hindus would say the same thing to you with beef consumption. You call them savages but you're literally no different from them. >How?Because killing for cultural reasons is retarded.>Explain that one to me, why are more people okay with eating cows or chicken than they are with apes? They're all the same somehow, yet you seemingly choose to ignore that truthCultural reasons. If you grew up eating monkey, you would likely be defending it right now. You could argue "it's because they look like us" but that is stupid. A severely disfigured human born with hooves wouldn't suddenly be okay for me to eat because it doesn't look like me. >>285570224>Yeah ok retard. Might as well point out the still practicing cannibal tribes on how it's actually okI don't use cultural as an excuse to rape and kill. So no I don't think it's okay. You're just too stupid to realize you're literally the same as them with your morals.
>>285570294No it can't retard. Prion disease is spread by ingesting misfolded prions. How can you get infected if there aren't any? Do you even understand how the disease works? How the fuck in your mind do you explain the many many examples of cannibalism throughout history that didn't result in prion disease?
>>285524604Because it simply isn't sustainable. We have as many resources as we do because we have as many people as we do. We have as many people as we do because of industrialized agriculture, particularly livestock. It is a logical extension of the human habit to overprepare and hoard. To demy this is to deny human nature and subject vast swathes of the human populace to malnutrition by modern standards, while expectingthem to maintain modernity.>maybe there shouldn't be so many humans or such modernity thenA separate argument entirely we could do to death while comingto a dozen different conclusions. The fact remains that humans remain top dog, and like the amenities there.Additionally, consider the "mercy" of letting farm animals go. Fowl would simply become an additional food source for other predators who aren't so merciful. Similar would happen to milking cows; they just wouldn't survive in such numbers. Pigs become feral hogs within a couple generations, becoming human-hostile and a drain on farming efforts. Congratulations: you've fed the local wild canids and made farming tubers 1000% harder for the sake of what-if morality. Like I said, not sustainable if you like lights and petrochemicals and so on.
>>285569472Human society isn't sustainable. But that's because it's full of contradictions.Life is sustainable, claiming otherwise is disingenuous and factually wrong.
>>285570411>You call them savages but you're literally no different from them.Ah yes anon, we're all the same, there are no "savages", I'm sure your mom would've loved to grow up in Saudi Arabia or Iran, of course! Or you would've loved to grow up in Liberia or Somalia, we're not so different after all!>You could argue "it's because they look like us" but that is stupid. A severely disfigured human born with hooves wouldn't suddenly be okay for me to eat because it doesn't look like me.Anon, earlier on you seemed to be against the "name one trait", replying to a post made by another anon explaining that the concept is stupid because (and I'm paraphrasing here of course) we humans are greater than the sum of our parts, it's not about naming one trait or another and trying to pick it apart like that, and he even commented upon this exact sort of challenge of "oh so you would be okay murdering someone that's brain dead" which is exactly what you did with your "human tribe with a genetic disorder that would be factory farmed" argument.What I did was put up a mirror and challenge you on that point, showing that we, by and large don't even eat apes and mentioned that "closeness" as well. You seem to completely misunderstand that and yet again just looped and made another case for "it's because they look like us" and that we would kill essentially a "human that looked weird". This is not the point, "looks" aren't the point, and yet you keep harping upon that for some reason. What I'm trying to get at here is that there's clearly something more, the "greater than the sum of our parts" aspect of why we care about each other. To give another example we care about dead people, I mean why? It's clearly a non functioning body anymore, why not use it up for food or fuel? Why even have all those pesky organ donor laws, we should harvest anything and everything.I'm not trying to be mean, but it seems like you severely lack an understanding of why we care about each other.
>>285570411>You're just too stupid to realize you're literally the same as them with your morals.My culture created civilization and everything worth anything of value. Their culture has created nothing but misery. That's good enough justification
>>285524604>https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yvuBaR4PT57XrNrgT/two-dogmas-of-lesswrongyou must be this level of smort to even begin discussion of the intricate topics of the show, or don't even bother to @
>>285570700Should've specified "a human's life" after all it's re: being told to kill myself.But 'life' as a whole will too be annihilated by the Sun in due time
>>285571293>intricate topics of the show
>>285570269>Why>"In the city of the blind, the one eyed man is king"If you are the only mutant among a species with the intelligence to act as a moral agent, you are the only one capable of acting within a moral framework and thus the default.Why would you logically act against the well being of your own species? You could pass your genes along and instill morality into others of your kind.>One day a hyper intelligent pig was born In the case of how he'd treat other pigs, yes he would be considered the default as the sole barer of moral agency among swine.But even with human level intellect, a pig does not share all the traits necessary to elevate themselves as equals to humanity as to have moral consideration.>There could be billions of retards underground and that would change your "by your default" logicIf they lack the capacity to be moral agents then that's irrelevant. Only we mutant humans would have the necessary traits for morality to serve a purpose, and the sub species would be considered worthy of rights.
