Is there any anime that became better after a time skip?>one piece post time skip is worse than pre time skip>naruto shippuden is worse than naruto classic>dragon ball z is worse than og dragonball>fairy tail post time skip is worse than pre tenrou island>death note got worse after L died and they had a time skipthis seems like a real "press this button to ruin your series" gimmick but they keep doing it
>>285596889Did you actually read/watch any of these series?
>>285596889The comedy is pretty much gone post time skipped and I'm not sure why. We've barely had any strawhat hijinks since. I get their "stronger and more serious" now but you can't tell me Luffy, Zoro, and Ussop are no longer clowns.
>>285597499Are you trying to imply that any of them is better post time skip?
Attack on Titans maybe?It's not that its especially better, it look like a different serie.
>>285597589Answer the question, anon.
Dragon Ball had like 10 timeskips
>>285597733yes I watched all of them
>>285596889>dragon ball z is worse than og dragonballAh, a schizo post> one piece post time skip is worse than pre time skipElbaf alone is better than all of pre-timeskip
>>285596889DB getting worse had nothing to do with time skips.
>>285596889>one piece >naruto shippuden >dragon ball z >fairy tail All of their best arcs happened after the timeskip.>death note got worse after L diedOnly thing you said that's correct.
>>285597695No, that series became extremely awful after the timeskip.
>>285598432>one piece Alabasta, Water 7, some would say Marineford. All pre timeskip>narutoChunin Exams or some would say Land of waves>dragon ball King Piccolo >fairy taildon't know don't watch that gay shitYou were WRONG.
>>285596889>>one piece post time skip is worse than pre time skipI see this forced here only (pretty sure it's just samefags) but never has any legitimate data or universal critiques to back up this claim. All the stuff in thepretime skip is very important to what's going on in the current story. So it's not like post timeskip betrays what came before it all. Everything post timeskip does are things the pre timeskip started.
>>285598752Even if King Piccolo was the best arc that was still 2 timeskips in
>>285598752Many say Dressrosa, Egghead and Elbaf now in their top 5. Does that trigger your virginity and autism?
I don't know, anon. Maybe you should read more than 5 manga, 4 of which are from the same magazine, and find out for yourself.
>>285598870And it wasn't the best arc. Hell, it's not even top 5 and there are really only 10 actual story arcs in Dragon Ball.
>>285597552The comedy and laughter is literally part of the story you dumb nigger.
>>285598958Dressrosa may have dragged when it was published weekly but it's absolutely fucking kino as a completed arc. I love going back and rereading it. Easily one of the best in the series. Sabaody is my personal favorite, but I really don't think pre-TS One Piece is THAT much better than post-TS.
>>285596889>>dragon ball z is worse than og dragonballRun. Now.
>>285599011>Hell, it's not even top 5It's second to Namek with Saiyan competing with the 22nd TB for a distant 3rd.
>>285596889Trigun? Maybe?
>>285599011Whats your top 5 then?
>>285598958Dressrosa is fucking awful and long as fuck too.
>>285596889Bleach had a 1.5 year timeskip and turned out... about the same, I guess. Barely a timeskip too.
>>285599092I don't hate it but come on, King Piccolo arc is clearly worse than every single arc that comes after it. Toriyama was still figuring out how to make characters who weren't Goku actually do things.
>>285599242Absolutely not. Half the fights in the 23rd TB are boring, Vegeta isn't as good of an antagonist, and the last 2 arcs are some of the worst of them all, especially if you're thinking about minor characters.
>>285599148After thinking on it for a minute, it probably would be in my top 5, or at least close. It's kind of a toss up because I feel like 21st and 22nd Budokai are a tie for me. So I guess the order would be something like Red Ribbon, Saiyan, 21st/22nd Budokai, Namek, and lastly Piccolo Daimao. Though I could honestly see myself putting Piccolo over Namek. It's definitely a tighter arc narratively speaking.
>>285596889Hinamatsuri
>>285599242Hell nah! I can kinda understand Namek and Sayian, but Cell and Buu? Fuck outta here!
>>285596889Luffy looking a little wide in the trunk post time-skip.
>>285599314Yeah I agree pretty strongly with most of this. Cell and Buu are weak arcs that are all over the place in terms of writing and fail immensely to utilize the characters. I don't think Vegeta is a weak antagonist per se. I think he's a good foil to Goku in the Saiyan Arc, but he's much better on Namek acting as a duplicitous schemer before Toriyama completely forgot he wrote him that way and made him into an absolute fucking retard.
>>285599377>Red Ribbon arcWow you're so smart and distinguished for liking the shittiest part of the story. It's so cool when Goku fights a gay nazi for 20 chapters and then he gets defeated by a character from a different manga.
>>285599512>Wow you're so smart and distinguishedThanks, anon. I really appreciate you saying so.
>>285599471I wasn't trying to say there's something wrong with him. He just didn't reach the level of terror and sadism Piccolo Daimao and Freeza had. I think it actually works better for the story that way since Vegeta is meant to be a prelude to Freeza.
>>285598958>DressrosaI will fuck you with a fork
>>285596889Showa Genroku Rakkugo Shinjuu
>>285598958>DressrosaI have a lot of nostalgia for that arc because it was the first one I picked up while it was running, and I like it overall, but WCI is much better. I can't even think of more than three pre-TS arcs that are better than WCI. I don't think Egghead is that great either, Amazon Lily level arc in my opinion.
>>285596889One Piece is better because Gear 5.
I don't get how the Cell Arc failed to utilize the characters. Trunks, Vegeta, Piccolo, Android 16 and Gohan all had big fights and all the other characters had things to do. Yajirobe brought the senzu and was the first to get attacked by the androids, Yamcha found the androids and carried Goku home, Tenshinhan stalled Cell, Bulma made the time machine in the future and the remote, Krillin chose not to kill 18, Karin helped gauge how strong Cell was, Dende became god and Mr. Satan threw Android 16's head. I thought it did a really good job with all the minor characters.
>>285600075Most of that shit is filler that only serves to drag the story out
>>285600075>TrunksJobs>VegetaJobs>PiccoloJobs>Android 16Jobs
>>285600010You're overestimating WCI when it has clear writing issues : Oda pussued out if confronting Luffy to the long distance hostages situation, wanna beat Luffy? Take a hostage in east blue.Germa was trash, Sanji did not need a second back story, Luffy vs Kat only happened because Oda changed his mind on having Luffy defeat BM in WCI.The adventure stuff was fine, but WCI as an Island is just a shitty forest with sentient trees and the castle.Good adventure stuff, bad writing, overall an enjoyable 7/10 filler arc, but pre timeskip clears easily.
Naruto went to shit with the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, only one fight in that arc matters, the rest is padding
>>285597552The comedy is still there, there are just less genuinely funny moments because the Straw Hats are no longer the main characters in this series, and most of the best dynamics and jokes only work because of them.
>>285600191I hated the latter half of Wano but the fight comedy was just as good as it's ever been. All that "this is how a dinosaur works" crap was great stuff.
>>285600075>Trunkscurbstomps or jobs embarrassingly in every single fight>Vegetasee above + suffered complete character assassination to keep the arc going>Piccolomade irrelevant except for 2 moments because of awful powerscaling>16almost had 1 good showing but got very little characterization and quickly jobbed>Gohanirrelevant until he had to have his character assassinated too for the sake of copying Goku's transformation>Yajirobe>KarinYou could cut them entirely and there would be no difference.>Yamchaimmediate job>Tenreduced to Saiyan arc Yajirobe level of impact>Bulmadeus ex machina the character like always>Krillinforced stupidity to keep the arc going>Dendetension remover>SatanHe was actually good for a brand new literal who, no complaints.
>>285600191>Straw Hats are no longer the main characters in this seriesThis is why people don't like post timeskip. They barely get to do stuff and even then it's kinda just plot device-y. Far less humorous interactions between them, no cool fights anymore, worse designs.
>>285600010>>285600151Dressrosa dragged on too much when it was airing. I don’t care how good it is to binge now, any arc with an oppressed peoples the Strawhats have to save automatically becomes a 5/10 max and goes down from there. Also funny how Oda emphasizes that Doflamingo accounted for everything except Luffy’s other brother from another mother coming back from the dead and fucking his shit upWCI gets mogged by multiple pre-timeskip arcs. But it’s the “best” timeskip arc so far
Tokimeki Tonight had several time skips during its original run and it stayed good. There's a newer sequel manga that I think has some issue but it still isn't bad.
Do people still fall for the meme that OGDB was full of adventure when literally 4 of it's arcs (i.e. more than half of it) are tournaments?
>>285600266Which part of Dragon Ball do you think did it better?
>>285600151>You're overestimating WCI when it has clear writing issuesEvery arc in One Piece has problems if we get technical, like I could say Arabasta sucks just because of Pell and Luffy's plot armor, when it's one of the best arcs in One Piece. WCI has everything I love about this series, and I can hardly find any genuine complaints about it.
>>285600314Nikaidou Hell Golf does that and stays good as well. Maybe that's the trick to this. A single timeskip in practice is just flipping from one present to another. Multiple gets the passage of time across.
>>285600302Easy cowbow, i agree that overall Dressrosa is slop, because it's a worse and more chaotic retelling of Alabasta.But the best post timeskip arc is easily Egghead, hell, Punk Hazard is ageing great too.
>>285600395the humor and, when done right, the emotional payoff
>>285600399I have outlined the flaws in WCI, it's just a matter of accepting them.It's an enjoyable arc, just not a well written one.
>>285600399Yeah but criticism like that about characters having plot armor are found in every single arc so they stop being relevant.
>>285600506Punk Hazard was so boring and crap. Legit no good fights or great humor moments. Only thing it has over Dresslopa is that it doesn't drag like crazy and doesn't shelf half the strawhats for years.
>>285600302>WCI gets mogged by multiple pre-timeskip arcs-Arabasta-W7/Enies Lobby-....I can't think of that many.>>285600506>But the best post timeskip arc is easily EggheadI don't see what's so great about it. Bonney and Kuma's story was good, but that's about it. G5 is still as annoying as it was when it debuted (the anime makes it 10 times worse), and it's still a downgrade for Luffy's character.
>>285600506I imagine Punk Hazard wasn't as fun reading it week to week, but as a complete story I really enjoyed it.
>>285600518I like the part where Goku beats the guy who won the Tenkaichi Budokai twice without trying and then he uses an instant kill attack but it doesn't work because Goku is perfectly good in every way
>>285600608Spoken like a true third worlder.Both dragons fights were pretty good, smoker and law vs vergo was good.But that's not the selling point of the arc, Punk Hazard's main goal was setup and lore expansion, and the more we go the more we find out that pretty much everything happened there : Kaido and King, MADS, Akainu vs Aokiji, Smile experiments, DF cloning, Momonosuke, fucking Galley la Giants, lab explosion, Vegapunk, Doffy using Caesar, and so on..Like a fine wine, the further we go, the better PH gets.
>>285600655If you don't see the appeal of Egghead it flew over your head don't worry about it you weren't the audience about it, it's the payoff arc to hundreds of chapters of setup along with a ballsy story that hit the collective consciousness so hard the op flag is now a symbol of rebellion and rejection of authority accross the globe.But Luffy didn't unlock gear death and start speaking spanish so you don't like it.
>>285600518Now THIS is how you properly utilize side characters
>>285600655>I can't think of that many.I'll take Drum Island, Arlong Park, Foxy, Marineford and even Thriller Bark over it.
>>285596889Maybe black clover? Naruto...idk
>>285600528Like I said, every arc in One Piece has flaws, it's up to you how much relevance you want to give them.
>>285600655>Arlong Park>Skypiea>Sabaody Archipelago>Impel Down>MarinefordAll more iconic than WCI. One Piece has fallen off hard after the timeskip. People hardly remember the newer arcs compared to the older ones
>>285600714>smoker and law vs vergo was good.Fuck outta here, Smoker got smoked and then Law was just crawling on the floor until he got his heart back and oneshot Vergo. Dumb indian.
>>285600862>It's bad>Also it's iconicLol
>>285600821I completely disagree, but we can all have our own preferences.
>>285600831But some have more flaws and some flaws are more annoying and hard to look past.
>>285600878I didn't say it's iconic, tard. I said it's boring and if anything it doesn't have any iconic moments.
>>285600821>even Thriller BarkI don't like Whole Cake either but calm down.
>>285599427it definitely wasn't better but it was still good
The thing about post time skip one piece is that we're told they have to train off screen because the new world is just that much dangerous and then doffy's group is all full of clowns.
>>285600920And I don't like Thriller Bark but it's aged better what with everything since being crap.
>>285600891>some flaws are more annoying and hard to look pastI can agree with that. For example, I like many things about Skypiea, but I think it's the worst arc in terms of plot armor in the entire series. It's so absurd that it ruins part of my enjoyment and makes it difficult for me to take Enel seriously as a villain.
>>285600911I know you didn't say iconic, because it doesn't serve your argument, i am saying it.>No iconic momentsThe crew finding the frozen galley-la giantsLiterally the alliance vs LawLaw cutting the facility in halfLuffy manhandling CaesarFucking Ussop capturing CaesarDoffy humiliating Smoker Kuzan.jpgHell, even after the arc: Kaido smashing his way through the lab and running with KingVegapunk declining Clover's offer to study the void century only to do so in secrecy.
>>285600935The timeskip was never planned, it happened and then Oda just resumed without buffing the second half of the story villains.But to be fair, what the fuck were Ussop and Robin going to do pre-timeskip vs Gladius, Machvise, Baby 5, etc..?Buffs were really, really fucking needed for the low tier SHs.
>>285601042None of those are iconic.
I’m a simple man I liked when Dragonball was about collecting the Dragonballs
>>285601085Same as ever. They were fucking jokes. The only ones that weren't were Pika and Trebol and Pika had zero character and Trebol was just kinda meh and I could easily see Zoro beat Pika pre time skip and Trebol got done in by Law. The rest were nothing especially fucking Baby 5. They were regular henchman type guys you saw before the time skip.
Not anime but King Ohger was kino
>>285600770Yes, anon, I don't like a power-up that turns my favorite character into a one-note joke, that means I wanted a Kyubi Luffy with a Hollow mask lmao. If WCI is one of my favorite arcs in One Piece, it's partly because a good part of it is carried by Luffy being the fucking Luffy. That's why I read One Piece, to enjoy the characters I've been following for over a decade, not looking for some gay symbolism or message so I can brag about how it makes my cartoon for 13 year olds more deep.
>>285600302>Dressrosa dragged on too much when it was airing>airingWell that's your god damn problem. Why the fuck are you watching the anime when it's a notoriously terrible adaptation?
>>285598958egghead sucks ass though. the only redeeming quality is the little exposition we got at the end and lillith
>>285601458>Dude let's pretend the kid and shanks fight is bad>Dude let's pretend blackbeard vs law fight was bad>Dude the pirate Island rescue mission was badYou're a faggot if that's you by the way. All the lore dump, Kuma's back story (that ties in all the things he was doing in the pre timeskip), the Giants coming back into the story, the Five Elders, Joyboy tease etc. That arc was great and more major events with great characters happen then all of pre-time skip. Your a faggot with shit taste.
>>285600663Nice strawman
>>285597552>The comedy is pretty much gone post time skipped and I'm not sure why.The comedy in One Piece isn't funny to begin with so it being gone improves the quality.
>>285598752>King PiccoloThis is the worst villain arc in Dragon Ball.
>>285602885There's no Shonen with better comedy and the way Oda made the comedy a central part of the theme of the whole story is meta as fuck. Other slop Shonen contemporaries don't even understand how to do stuff like that.
>>285602885It was all One Piece had to set it apart from its competitors.
>>285602799That is literally what happens the chapter before the Gohan fight though
>>285600191Whole Cake was great. Felt like pre-timeskip.
>>285603282>It was all One Piece had to set it apart from its competitors.Once Piece had adventure and world building to set it apart.
>>285598670No, it became shit after LiberioUp until 105 it was really good
>>285600191>The comedy is still thereThere being comedy post-timeskip doesn't mean that it's One Piece's characteristic comedy. Most of the jokes are extremely forced, repetitive and artificial post-timeskip, still hasn't been a single joke to make me laugh like Luffy doing a Sanji impression in SkypieaPre-TS One Piece had this natural comedy derived from manzai, and even though the expressions and body language were very exaggerated, it felt like joking among friendsAlso, I feel like the story has lost it's charm, mystique and sense of adventure
>>285603967You sound so fucking autistic
>>285602770>Joyboy tease etc.For me, it's this. Learn that he was THE first pirate, and had some absolute bonkers Haki, I wanna know more about him and how he and Luffy are similar.
>>285604477Being ESL but not a nigger often does have the side effect of making one sound autistic
>>285600925It was 100% better. It got funnier and Hina stopped being such a little shit, but enough of a shit to be funny
>>285596889Your mistake was watching instead of reading
>>285599434>Buu>above anything
>>285600328No. They're just good tournaments.
>>285598958>Does that trigger your virginityGo back.>Dressrosa>in their top 5No one says this.
>>285596889what is this retarded post? literally all of them got better after timeskip. you're a contrarian pseud who jerks off to your eceleb opinions if you really think like that
>>285603967>still hasn't been a single joke to make me laughNot even this?
>>285596889>dragon ball z is worse than og dragonballThe tone of Z was already well-established in OG DB by the time Tao Pai Pai showed up, all Z did was bring in Gohan. As a matter of fact, Z broke the formula of "New villain arrives and defeats Goku easily, then he gets some power boost and stomps the villain in the rematch. Everyone else is useless" formula that had been established since Tao Pai Pai. >muh adventureThe Pilaf arc is a road boner comedy, not some childlike lighthearted adventure like the makers of Daima or GT would have you believe, and the majority of Red Ribbon is just Goku steamrolling fodder in exotic locations, and is frankly kind of boring. Everything else is fighting. >Muh techniques and strategizingPiccolo was blowing up mountains and Goku was firing Super Kamehamehas well before anyone had even heard of a Raditz.
>>285606834I don't think Buu is above Piccolo or Tien but it had some really cool ideas like the spaceship fight that kinda mirrored the muscle tower in red ribbon and forced the team to fight in a confined space instead of flying around all over the place. It's miles better than the Cell saga.
>>285596889Cyborg 009?Not a manga but Girl Genius had a timeskip and it's still decent.
>>285608215>"New villain arrives and defeats Goku easily, then he gets some power boost and stomps the villain in the rematch. Everyone else is useless"Yeah and replaced it with>"New villain arrives and defeats [jobber] easily, then Goku shows up, gets some power boost and stomps the villain. Everyone else is useless"
>>285597977OG Dragon ball had several time skips
Dragon Ball didn't have *a* timeskip, it had several.
>>285596889Like some said DB had mutiple timeskips.Namek was still an adventure to get the dragon balls.The story became very contrived after that arc.
>>285608348>"New villain arrives and defeats [jobber] easily, then Goku shows up, gets some power boost and stomps the villain. Everyone else is useless"These fucking things did irreparable damage to Dragon Ball media literacy
>>285607040>See guys they're doing a funny face!Nah. I mean it wasn't unfunny but it's just not the samehttps://youtu.be/btL2P6JklOE
>>285596889Hunter x HunterWait...
