Volume 43: The Man with the TruthChapter 399: How It All Begins!!Previous chapter: >>285620947Previous Volume: https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/285162082/Start: https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504
>>285641135>Madara already sweating pre-fightLmao, explain this Madarakeks.
Is Tobi just making all this shit up?
>>285641212Where they mercenaries or not?
B&W...soon
>>285641334ALL HAIL TOBIRAMA
Ancient impossibly long ago history of like half a crntury ago
This chapter is awful.
>>285641524Only because we know the story. I remember enjoying the peak into the past when it first came out...but the Itachi reveal is unsalvageable
>>285641314>I declared war on Konoha...but why?
>>285641552It's still kinda nonsensical. So the Uchiha clan and Senju clan were mercenaries and because they were SOO STRONG they always ended up facing each other, then they somehow made peace, despite just being hired mercenaries, not actually at war? And then this peace somehow spawned a village in the fire nation and all the other nations that did not have the same kind of history just somehow spawned villages as well.
>>285641334/ourguy/
>>285641590Yeah. This just shows more cracks in Kishi's writing. His governments and politics have always been subpar and don't make much sense.
>>285641411>kishi desperately trying to salvage hiruzen's image
>>285641410Yes? Ninja clans for hire are the same as mercenaries.
>>285641314So he really tried to nuke all of Konoha (including his Uchiha brethren) just because he was salty about Hashirama being Hokage. That feels really petty and retarded.
>>285641590I mean, Konoha is supposed to be the biggest village, makes sense it would be the firstAlthought the short time where all of this happened is weird
>>285641682He did feel betrayed by his clan as well, but it is still retarded.
>>285641629Just wish he didn't spend multiple chapters on it.
>>285641350>turning the Uchiha into the village's police force removed them from the governing body of the village What?
>>285641721I think he just established the police force to watch over the Uchiha, not composed of them?
>>285641199>>285641212>>285641238>>285641259>>285641274>>285641295>>285641314>Madara the warmonger How the fuck is Sasuke buying this? This guy is the root of the Uchiha's grievances.
>>285641238The land of fire slapped its big dick around and got these tiny little ninja shitholes inline.
>>285641199How does a ceasefire work for hired mercenaries? He already said if someone hired the Senju then their enemy would hire the Uchiha. Would they just turn down jobs if it risked them having to fight each other?
>>285641334Tobirama was so trusting and kind.
>>285642010I guess it works with them becoming the military of the land of fire, they have their steady base and only have to fight whoever opposes the land of fire.
>>285641314Uchigger moment
>>285641682>Naruto's writing is retarded...whoa!
>>285641815Only thing Madara did wrong was lose. If he won the Hokage would have all been Uchiha and the Senjew would be the second class citizens with all the blame.
kacindekan
>>285641314>billions including my own clanmates must die because I wasn't granted the political position I wantedMadara more like Chudara
>>285642010By introducing a cease fire, clans could unify and create a centralized military for the land of fire.Saying cease fire implies the Senju's and the Uchiha's were fighting outside of jobs. I think that could make sense. If they were always hired against each other, why wouldn't they try to sabotage their rival and stay ahead on their next job?
>>285641682Declaring war doesn't mean you want to kill all of its inhabitants. It's obvious he declared war for the purpose of gaining political power.
>>285641314>>285642023Is this where the powercreep officially jumped the shark?
>>285641199why don't to niggas with mangekyou just swap eyes?
>>285641334>I was erased from history and memories>Ecept that one giant statue of mine Yep, totally not retarded writing
>>285641212So did Madara not tell the entire full story to Obito? Or is he lying through his teeth right now? Madara did not like the idea of his family dying needlessly and when push came to shove he founded konoha alongside Hashirama, mutual hatred be damned. Now, that it didn't last long is an entirely different subject
>>285641314>Madara backlit by the moonWhat could this possibly mean
>>285642010>How does a ceasefire work for hired mercenaries?It only makes sense if they become a collective and merge, which they kind of ended up doing with the village system. Guess the idea was you couldn't hire just 1 of them, they'd be a package deal.
>>285642224I don't think this moment stands out that much more than others.
>>285642273KISHIMOTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>285641160>both the senju and uchiha clans were mercenary clans hired by nations to fight for themFucking dogshit worldbuilding
>>285641314kino panel
>>285641212>>285641199Just give the eyes back..?
>>285642256>Or is he lying through his teeth right now?Considering he lied about the 9-Tails attacking as a "natural occurrence" and he's lying about being Madara himself, everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
>>285641391Yeah he is lying through his teeth
>>285642321Couldn't they have given him some dead Uchiha's eyes?
>>285642289>9-Tails required the 4th Hokage to sacrifice himself to save the village, is being used in tandem with Madara to have a battle with Hashirama Idk, that's a pretty big upscale to the power-levels. Even with Pain and Itachi battles just concluding.
>>285642256iirc Tobirama killed Madaras brother so something is fishy
>>285641391mf is lying his ass off
I still don't understand why the daimyo exist when they don't seem to actually offer anything to the method of government the ninja world is under, beyond being the ones at the top.
>>285642238>>285642321I don't think Kishi realized brothers could just willingly agree to switch eyes and had to make some convoluted reasons for Izuna to die. The final revision is he died to Tobirama from wounds.
>>285642424Money
>>285642365No it only works with two mangekyou
>>285641334>erased from history bro it's been just 80 years
>>285642424>>285642424I think they are meant to finance the village and lands. The villages are basically militaries, but are ultimately subject to the daimyo.
>>285642480You guys can't remember what happened 2 weeks ago
>>285641199How much did Tobi rehearse this story? give him the Oscar for acting
>>285642494Zoom zoom detected
>>285642465>>285642485Okay, but what makes them so good at that that the villages full of people who can cast magic can't and fight all of these awful blood wars can't simply put themselves in the daimyo's place by force?
>>285642424Ninja villages are minor players.
>>285642389Yeah, but we also had Hidan and Kakuzu take out a perfect jinchuriki like 100 chapters ago. (and this is before Kishi decided Kurama was 100000x stronger than all the other biju)
>>285642469But Kakashi restored his eye sight with a regular Sharingan... And that became a mangekyo.... And he's not even a Uchiha.
>>285642299Yeah. Did you hear about the guys who can willingly control mountain-sized Kaijus, spawn entire forests and 1000 handed mountain-sized statues, make illusions and literally bend the laws of reality? They wageslave 9 to 5 just like you, and would not in any case overthrow their nation's leaders and peacefully rule by themselves.
>>285642515You're asking why all militaries wouldn't just attack their own governing body and take over. It's self-destruction. You're also trying to apply logic to Kishi's dogshit world building.
>>285642524kakashi got sight from an eye that happened to have sharingan, but the mangekyo was awakened when tobi awoke his.madara took a mangekyo so his mangekyo would retain it's powers
>>285642523>we also had Hidan and Kakuzu take out a perfect jinchuriki like 100 chapters agoDon't we find out only Bee and the 4th Mizukage were the only 'perfect' ones?
>>285641334Why did the Senju monkeys willingly plant the seeds of resentment? Were they hypocrites?
>>285641391>The Konoha elders… surmised that that incident was the doing of an Uchiha. But - well actually they were completely correct and justified, it was actually the doing of an Uchiha.
>>285642558I was talking about Izuna's eyesight. >>285641212 show's he died blind when he could have plugged in any old set of eyes
>>285641334
>>285642556In our current world Militaries are tied to the civil government. They don't have to attack the daimyo, they can just take power without the being able to do anything about it. It's why Japan became a shogunate.>>285642604That's what Danzo thinks at least, but then we don't really know what it's supposed to mean. Either way they were going up against a fully transformed biju.
>>285642635>Izuna first introduced Died because Madara forcefully took his eyes>2nd revision Sacrificed himself for Madara and the Uchiha >Final revision Was on his deathbed because of Tobirama and gave his eyes to Madara before dying
>>285642515Same reason we haven't risen up and gotten rid of the nose. Comfortability of enough people>uncomfortability of the majority, despite both being at the mercy of the ones with the actual money
>>285641587>>285641682>>285642619THE SENJEWS PRESENTED THE CEASEFIRE TO GAIN POLITICAL CONTROL OVER THE UCHIHAS. NUKING THEM WAY THE ONLY WAY AHHHHHHHH
Can someone spoonfeed me how Hashirama and Madara were such overpowered anomalies but then 80 years later even the top dog jonins like Kakashi would be like an ant to them? I thought that one of the messages of Naruto is that the next generation is always going to be better than their predecessors
>>285642718Kishi is not a good writer.
>>285642681>In our current world Militaries are tied to the civil governmentYou're supposed to believe the same for Konoha and the other villages. It's not like Konoha produces anything of value outside being a military complex. It takes a lot more to have a government.
>>285641314Do they not teach about this in the academy? What is up with everybody acting like events from 80 years ago are some ancient, unknowable history?
>>285642691Except these villages go through wars every other decade and every ninja in it is taught to be nothing but a weapon since they're like 4. People in the Hidden Villages AREN'T comfortable and they hold all the actual power in this dynamic with the daimyo.
>>285641350
>>285642738In our current world the highest military leader is part of the civil government is what I mean. In Narutos setting that is not the case at all.
>>285642718>I thought that one of the messages of Naruto is that the next generation is always going to be better than their predecessorsThat goes out the window by the time we get to the war. All the previous Kage were powerhouses and the current generations have only gotten weaker.
>>285641391Me when I lie:
>>285641260I think it's obvious Madara always revered Hashirama more than the other way around. A lot of Madara's issues stem from Hashirama being the better man
>>285642635kishi can't write
>>285642784>You will never amount to 1/10th of your great grandpa's achievementsWeird message for a shonen but alright
>>285642556Military coups happen all the time, and with militaries that have a lot less administrative experience than the kages.
>>285642622It was AN Uchiha but not THEE Uchiha, get it right
>>285642760This shithole world is Africa-tier.
>>285642778>the highest military leader is part of the civil governmentLike the Daimyo?
>>285641123ARIGATO, OUR LEADER!
>>285642718Reincarnations of Ninja jesus sons
>>285642778Would you prefer to look at them as Kings? Kings had armies and lands and taxed the peasants in the past. Monarchs existed longer than most forms of government. Again, you're questioning the flaws of Kishi's dogshit writing and world building. We don't really know what influence the Daimyo have and why the villages should care about them.
>>285641411What does this guy even DO
>>285641590The worldbuilding of naruto is complete fucking trash. Even Bleach's is better.
>>285641314This is a GREAT page
>>285641411This seems like a behind closes doors topic, how would Tobi know about Hiruzens objection to isolating the Uchiha unless that's something discussed at a town hall
>>285642908Naruto's backstory is so stupid>People know he's the 9-Tails host but ignore he's the son of the 4th Hokage >Kushina appeared to be treated fairly in the village despite having the 9-Tails>Naruto is treated like a pariah when Hiruzen could have just put him in a random orphanage and kept his entire history secret Gaara is the only sad backstory childhood that makes sense. Naruto's was so forced and stupid.
>>285642951Itachi could've told him.
>>285642987Didn't seem like those two were on speaking terms but I did consider that
I LOVE that "Madara" keeps talking about how muh Senjews were oppressing the Uchiha, but in the modern day the Senju are all apparently DEAD except for Tsunade, a 50 year old woman. Danzo, Homura, Koharu, Hiruzen, none of them are Senju. Where were the Senju almost 20 years ago when the Uchiha were being so oppressed?
>>285642860Well since they didn't appear for 500 chapters they don't seem very involved with the military.>>285642902I don't have a super good understanding of how things were organized in medieval europe, but I think they had a multitude of retainers that they kept very close, no? SInce they're called Daimyo I think the best comparison would be Japanese Daimyo who leaned very heavily into the military to secure their power at most times.
>>285641135>By every other shinobi clanHyuugabros...Kaguyabros...Uzumakisissies...
>>285643096Do the other villages even have clans?
This Uchihashit smells
>>285641334The true hero Konoha deserved.
>>285641177>To protect my clan>Helps in killing them for goodLol
>>285641314Weakling bijuu merchant.
>>285643026The Senju massacre is the best held secret in Konoha. We will never know what happened to one of the strongest clans in history. They just dissappeared over night.
>hold a respectable position/role within the village, that of the police force>UHHH BUT LIKE WE WERE SPIED ON? AND RELEGATED TO THE BORDER? LIKE IT WAS A LITERAL APARTHEIDExplain Madara's logic to me
>>285641314Fucking revenge monkeys can't help themselves
Why is wood so strong anyways? Why can't other elements that are less lame be just as powerful?
>>285643225>people naturally hate the police>the police force had no say in the governing of the village>for some reason the village needed a Anbu, who act like a police force and the Uchiha who were the face of the police forceIt was a redundant organization with the existence of the Anbu. It was giving them a fake position of power to placate them.
>>285643225Those masked anbuggers look so condescending all looking down on us..
>>285643280I really like her hair.
>>285641350This really really REALLY sounds like the uchihas are mad none of the hokages after Hashirama were Uchiha.It's like those grumpy racists complaining about DEI hiring but don't have any qualities to required for the job.
>>285643216The real reason the Uchiha planned to rebel is that the rest of the village refused to let them investigate the Senju disappearance. They missed their brother clan.
>>285643300It good hair
Hello i love naruto
>>285643274>he police force had no say in the governing of the villageWho doesIs it literally just the Hokage and his handpicked 3?
>>285641391>THE EVIL COUNCIL AT IT AGAIN!Was kishimoto letting a kid write his manga for him?
>>285643344Too bad she was disappeared by Kishi.
>>285643351Are you retarded?
>>285643317>No Hyuga Hokage Not even bothered. Stay in their own lane. Still highly respected in the village and are free from any restrictions >No Uchiha HokageChimp out
>>285641411>The God of shinobi is unable to do anything against shitters who are beneath himAre you shitting me?
>>285643352>Is it literally just the Hokage and his handpicked 3?It seems that way. I also don't even know if he handpicked them, considering they're still around for Tsunade.
>>285631592>>285633850HidanQUEEN
>>285641458>>285642191Arigatou, OP!
>>285643367Uhm yea im a nurse so yea i guess i am retarded.
>>285642775Billions must burn
>>285641372keeping the ninetail’s roar speech bubble while >>285641314 is silent, lazy paneling.
>>285643418Fuck off
>>285642224It jumped the shark when the chunin exams had a genin pinball someone in the air and the guy tanked it.
We're all retarded here.
>>285643463He's back
>>285643436kumusta coconut-kun
>>285641238the rare tobirama without his faceplate
>>285643436What kind of nurse
I will never not be amazed how lucky Kishi was with Naruto.
>>285643351>>285643436Hello I also love Naruto and have a very high IQ. My favorite character is Shikamaru btw.
>>285643614Kishi really sells it all with his artstyle, his aesthetic and precision is great for a weekly series but since we're reading volume releases in these threads I cant really remember how different the WSJ release versions may have looked
>>285641435>And that's when his Ulysses beganReally Kishi??
>>285643627What's your favorite Shikamaru high iq moments?
If this chapter came out today or just like 2 years ago, Naruto would get the frieren treatment and people wouldn't shut up about how the uchihas are actually dehumanized representations of minorities.
>>285641314kay but what did madara's chinese fan weapon do
>>285643734Shield
>>285643680Senjus are kind of evil tbf
>>285643779Why is Sasuke deformed?
>>285641392He's blending some history, some larping as madara, and betting on the fact that Sasuke never picked up history books and lined them up against uchiha family writings (which sasuke surely read under the family basement or whatever) for scrutiny
>>285642775THE SENJUS DENIED ME THE HOKAGE HATTHE SENJUS DENIED ME FOR MY OFFSCREENED WAR TIME FEATSTHE SENJUS DENIED ME A BUSTY HYUUGA WIFEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>285643835*fame forFUCK!
>>285643863You got the important part across, no worries.
>>285643670For me it's when he proved atheism was real.
>>285641350I have a huge feeling of deja vu reading this chapter. I think I already lived this current moment in time
>>285643734It looked cool
>>285643886Shikamaru would 100% post on reddit
>>285641721They weren't even the top police. That was still controlled by the senju and the military through anbu and root. The uchiha police was just a way to keep tabs on them
>>285643734it redirects the jutsu back at the user
>>285641590>>285642916>>285641629Honestly it's not THAT far fetched>two clans get hired all the time>they decided to say fuck it no more fighting between us>maybe consolidate their power and try to set up a working sustainable economy between them>this evolves into the village>Daimyo are wary at first but forced to comply
>>285643935Not being part of the anbu or Root was a good deed on their part.
>>285642023Kishimoto deserves more praise. We're kind of trying to break the cracks of this political stuff (a bit too much honestly, it's broken but not THAT bad either) but this page just looks fucking sick. I think it kinda works for a shonen manga.
>>285643937How is that different to Itachi's mirror thing?
>>285642737Kishimoto has tons of writing issues but having a few very elite ninjas (wizards) being like 3 tiers above everyone else isn't one imo.
>>285642784The older Kages aren't that much stronger than the new ones, in fact it's somewhat even if you don't count Madara/Hashirama obviously
>>285643418HidaNee-san...... I KNEEL
>>285644002Yata Mirror is only defensive. It has no feats but it's said to alter itself to neutralize any jutsu and nothing more.
>let Uchigger be Hokage>starts wars with all of the other Lands and minor Villages due to percieved slights>gets mad when Clan elders veto their terrible ideas ("we're being fucking oppressed!")>Ninetails attacks the village anywayTobirama should have just sterilized the Uchiha honestly.
>>285644046I think the disparity between Kage and Jounin is too big. The army was useless against 3 Kage opponents, even with 2 Kage assisting them.
>the village just decided that Hashirama would be the hokage even though both clans mutually agreed on ruling togetherPeculiar
>>285641350I think as a kid, I thought that in the panel that has (Madara) under it, that it was telling us that the guy on the right was Madara in disguise or something.
>>285644069If Tobirama were truly based he'd have created a jutsu to sterilize the Uchiha.
>>285644099That's another issue. I'm not too sure how I feel about it... Yeah I think large numbers should be a threat even to Kages but then again we've seen insane AoE clear moves from Kage tier fighters from a long time ago.
>>285644100All the Uchiha besides Madara at the time were okay with it too according to this story.
>>285644100Even the Uchiha knew he was superior to Madara. Tobirama being the 2nd Hokage is suspicious though. Madara should have been the 2nd, or at the very least, acted as Hashirama's advisor instead of Tobirama.
>>285644103kek
>>285642429>I don't think Kishi realized brothers could just willingly agree to switch eyesOnly one of them can get EMS retard
>>285644100See >>285644142Hashirama was just THAT great. It goes beyond Uchiha-Senju rivalry. Hashirama was the bigger man in every possible way.I would call Hashirama an insufferable Mary Sue if he had anywhere near the wank Itachi got, but as things are he doesn't really get that many people sucking his dick so I think him being THAT good makes him more appealing
>>285644173Why?
>>285644142Tobirama took over after Hashirama died of offscreen aids so Madara would have been considered dead at this point in time.
>>285641391Why are uchiggers like this?
>>285644100the uchiha were cucks and did everything they could to stop the fighting
Reminder what you are and always will be.
>>285642224Kurama was in the first chapter of the series.
>>285644176Hashirama also wasn't a god-tier threat until part 2. Hiruzen was originally portrayed, and revered as being the best of the best.
>>285641411>>285641435>Discrimination Everyone in konoha sucked Itachi and Sasuke's balls so this doesnt make any sense. The discrimination thing feels more like something that happened during fug generation that people forgot overtime. And the reason for that was the uchihas refused to help during the fox invasion.Sad that the majority of the Uchihas were fine but because of a warmongrel retard and a guy who simped for a plain jane fucked up the clan leading to Itachi's killing spree.
>>285644099Yeah, I agree. Like how come every village besides Konoha and Kumo has exactly 1 Kage level fighter and everyone else is several tiers below?
>>285643452You're trying too hard.
>>285644123This is a problem with shounen scalling.A relevant jounin can wipe the floor with dozens of minor jounin, and a kage tier opponent can massacre hundreds of those.
>>285644200Yes, and he was considered such a threat, it required the strongest shinobi in the village to sacrifice himself just to seal him. Madara is using that same threat as a pokemon here.
>>285644202I wish Hashirama wasn't THE GOD OF SHINOBI honestly. He and Madara could have been more in line with the Sannin or modern Kage and still be powerful.
>>285642973>but ignore he's the son of the 4th HokageBecause most villagers don't know he is you stupid fuck.
>>285644173No, that's definitely not how it works.
>>285644241I think it's fine desu. War arc Madara was way too much but Hashirama being scaled up is alright>>285644235Goes with action in general and the age old principle that people think it's really cool to see one guy dispatch dozens of others
>>285644178Because that's how it works
>>285644227There are cocksuckers out there who will tell you that an one off comment from Fug invalidates all the times the civilians and other shinobi praised the Uchiha brothers.
>>285642908
>>285644259>villagers know Naruto is the 9-tails host because...they just do!>villagers don't know Naruto is the son of the guy, who had a pregnant wife, and sacrificed himself against the 9-tails and decided to just seal it in a random orphan child, he happened to have on hand...(:Yeah, okay dumbass.
>>285644298Naruto...you were living in a slum.
>>285644241>>285644268I mean he kind of had to be when he was able to win >>285641314 and this was before the scaling got "out of control" as some of you claim.
I noticed we have the same guy calling a bunch of people who criticize Kishimoto's writing "retards" and "speedreaders", every single time, finding some arbitrary excuses about the rules of this wizard shit and laying them down as if they were the most obvious, rational and logical things in the world. And all of that in a very aggressive manner, as if he was defending something VERY dear to him instead of a nice but kind of silly children's comic book>>285644259>>285644173That brand of autism could be reminiscent of... another. I'm not perfectly confident on my read but...!
>>285644237>Madara is using that same threat as a pokemon here.Because he used genjutsu which the 4th Hokage doesn't have.
>>285644304I like how the novels blamed Danzo for this.I'm not even sure what he'd gain from that.
>>285644333Danzo died for all our sins. He became a monster to let the manga deliver drama while also keeping all of the relevant characters perfectly clean good guys.Hiruzen? Yeah he's just our nice Dumbledore figure. Perfectly good guy. Never done anything wrong.
>>285644304>villagers know Naruto is the 9-tails host becauseDanzo leaked that info out.>villagers don't know Naruto is the son of the guy, who had a pregnant wife, and sacrificed himself against the 9-tails and decided to just seal it in a random orphan child, he happened to have on handYeah. There were a lot of orphans in the village.
>>285644314Kurama + Madara losing to Hashirama is a pretty big jump in powerscaling, this is arguably where GOD OF SHINOBI Hashirama truly begins.
>>285644308He had a free apartment and got free money too.
Hiashi won.
>>285644351>Danzo leaked that info out.Show the panel in the manga where that happens. I already know you're baiting, but let's see how far you'll go to defend shitty writing.
I actually really like that guy.>silly but an actual leader>nice guy but able to make tough choices (killing Madara)>insanely powerful but very humble>entirely original powerset completely unrelated to eye wank, he just had the biggest muscle in the room
>>285644366>ImplyingI bet Hiruzen made him work for that somehow.
>>285644351>Danzo leaked that info out.For what possible gain?
>>285644357In reality it comes to show what a big hack Wood Release is.
>>285644371That's from a novel, one of those that said Itachi had Tsunade's strength at the age of 6 and was more competent than his jonin mother
>>285644333Danzo was such a copout character. It would have added some depth to the good guy Hokages if they actually had to make difficult decisions that were questionable. Danzo being the root of all bad things ever done by Konoha is such lazy scapegoat writing.
>>285644391it was evil and he liked being evilostracizing your nuclear weapon is a funny strategt
>>285644324>always find some random thing ever chapter to latch into and claim it's bad writing for retarded reasons>get explanations as to why you're wrong>proceed to seetheEvery time with you.
>>285644351>Yeah. There were a lot of orphans in the village.Anon he was the only one in the village that almost looks exactly like the 4th hokage for fuck sake not every villager in the leaf village was blind.
>>285644396So, it's not canon
>>285644397If Kishimoto didn't portray Danzo as this comically evil inept retard and leaned more on "yeah this sucks but he HAD to do it it was a lose lose situation" it would have been betterDanzo is still one of his best characters but that's in spite of the writing
>>285641314>>285642023Just going to say, this spread tells us almost nothing about the fight and the speech is coming from a liar. It could have turned out that Hashirama didn't solo Madara + 9 tails, he could have had help, from the village, from his clan, even from the Uchiha. And thematically that might have been for the better, but Kishimoto is a turbo retard so Hashirama actually just soloed
>>285642125this shit is unbelievably funny in hindsight. Kid Obito never acted like he was treated poorly due to being an Uchiha, wonder if he's considered that any and all Uchiha resentment is a result of his actions... in using a mind-controlled Kyubi to attack Konoha. God this worldbuilding is so poor, how can anyone believe the natural disaster story, was Kushina memoryholed by the whole village? the fox wasn't wandering around, it was inside a Konoha jinny for years at that point. And did Itachi know any of this when partnering with him? There's no way right, you'd think Itachi would bury this guy if he realized Obito is the main contributing factor to the massacre happening (beyond his own retarded ass for ever agreeing to it)
>>285644388Sure bro.
>>285644408I'm just noticing you have pretty big stakes in these silly discussions about silly children bookswhy get so worked up?
>>285643418SEXOOOO I wanna suck on those tiddies. But after what she did to Hidan I'm kinda scared desu
>>285644330Whatever you say, this guy already called you out >>285644324and he's spot-on
>>285644412Anon not ever blonde haired blue eyed person is related to Minato.
>>285644459You don't know that.
>>285644437>pretty big stakes in these silly discussions about silly children booksSays the guy who finds something to call bad writing every chapter.
>>285644457I'm >>285644324 and I hesitated quoting this post because while it seems to come from the same guy it's a pretty reasonable response (bijuus weak to sharingan genjutsu, meh why not) and he didn't call you a retarded speedreader in this so this is reasonable
>>285643613Well unlike Henrietta there im a cna.>>285643779That makes no sense i consider that a crackship
All this nonsense and trash worldbuilding that was made up on the fly all because Kishimoto thought it'd be insanely fucking cool if Itachi was actually le good guy the whole time. Why do retards like it when villains have some kind of DEEP SAD BACKSTORY, why can't villains just be evil because they're evil?
>>285644444Hidan deserved it. Also checked.
>>285644457>no argumentAs per usual.
>>285644471I'm not even those guys you're quoting, but even if I were, two wrongs wouldn't make a right. I think it's possible to have level headed discussions about this worldbuilding made for 5-15 year olds to self insert into, and acknowledge the reasons behind the creative decisions that went into it rather than treat is as some logical world that just "exists".
>>285642191thanks op.
>>285642933>>285641314totally agree, every reread I do I find one or two things I missed, crazy art
Strange how this thread took a noticeable drop in quality for the discussions. Guess it's that time of day.
This daily is going to be such a shitshow with Bee vs Sauske. You already know *that* anon is going to be here trying to say it was technically a win for Sauske, like he does every time that fight is brought up.
>>285644481>made up on the flyNope. Kishi said in an interview he made Itachi a secretly "good" in an interview. We had hints in part 1 that support that- Itachi out right telling Kakashi, Asuma, and Kurenai that he and Kisame are looking for Naruto instead of keeping it secret- Kakashi wondered why Itachi used Tsukuyomi instead of just killing him- Asuma questioned why despite Itachi already being inside the village he hasn't found Naruto yet despite it being easy since he already knows what he looks like- Kisame questioned Itachi as why they had to run from Jiraiya since he could've dealt with him with his power- The Uchiha revolt was hinted at in the final valley flashback when Fugaku was talking about Itachi being the pipeline between the village nerve center and clan
>>285643418To be honest, this is the only reason I have been reading every storytime recently.
>>285644493>I'm not even those guys you're quotingIf you say so.
>>285644541I don't know if you're the same anon as the guy calling people retarded speedreaders, but while it is true Kishimoto probably thought of a twist long ago (Sasuke said Itachi was crying in part 1), these reasons you're listing are very arbitrary and ambiguous. For instance>- Itachi out right telling Kakashi, Asuma, and Kurenai that he and Kisame are looking for Naruto instead of keeping it secretThat shit happens all the time. These "ninjas" tell EVERYTHING to everyone all the time.>>285644576Yeah, I say so. Believe it or not I'm actually one of the guys defending Kishimoto's writing in this thread.
>>285644570That's pretty pathetic
>your opponent forfeiting the fight isn't a win because it just isn't okay!?
>>285642238>>285642429If Itachi's version of the Madara flashback has ANY correct facts to it, one person takes all four eyes and they merge together.At least that part seems to be true even in this version, since Madara still has both his own and his brother's mangekyou pattern fused.
>>285644541>sounds like Itachi was confident none of them could do anything to stop him>Tsukuyomi can't kill and there was sufficient back up to prevent Itachi from walking up to him and killing him>it's a big city>how does Kisame know that? does Itachi know exactly how strong Jiraiya is? how would he other than his reputation/title
>>285644587>arbitrary and ambiguous.It's clear you don't know what these words mean.
>>285644422The problem with Danzo is more so that he's just not a believable character.Sure, people in power can have no redeeming qualities and poor decision making, BUT they know how to keep up the mask AND have done things that justify them remaining in that position.And you'd think that at least ONE of Danzo's actions were good, but nope, all of them were bad.
>>285644594>one person takes all four eyes and they merge togetherHow does that work?
>>285644540I don't want to admit it but there's a pretty decent chance *that* anon is also... that other not so anon
>>285644622>ambiguousBecause they could mean different things>arbitraryBecause you choose to interpret these things as if they mean one particular thing on purposeMaybe I could have worded it better but you perfectly understand what I mean above, so how about not being a Reddit pedantic faggot for once
It's kinda funny that so many events can be traced to Obito's tism flaring up and deciding that he's going to use the Ninetails in his attack on Konoha.>Uchiha massacre because this alienates the Uchiha>Naruto's shit life because his parents die and then gets the Ninetails sealed inside of him>Everything that spirals out from there regarding Naruto and SasukeIt's fun to an imagine an AU where he decides to just not do this and think of something later.
>>285644632There's too many named "anons" in this daily. I can't keep up. Assume you mean the original autist though.
>>285644625Your sharingan chakra-mindspace goblin has empty eye sockets and you slot them in there to gain their power.
>>285644590There is something about it being from a mentally ill yume from /here/ that makes it more exciting.
>>285644668yeah there's a high chance it's the smelly one
>>285644667Why did Obito decide to randomly attack the village again? I actually don't remember
>>285644570Same. Everytime she appears she posts something interesting. Even better that it makes the schizo seethe.
You know Kishimoto doesn't care about the Hyuuga when he didn't try to blame Danzo for the leaf willingly giving Hizashi to Kumo.
>>285644618>sounds like Itachi was confident none of them could do anything to stop himNo it was foreshadowing that Itachi was was a spy.>Tsukuyomi can't killWhen he holds back.>it's a big cityAsuma said it's easy to find Naruto.>how does Kisame know that?Because Itachi could beat Orochimaru.
>>285644713Kumo was simply too strong.
>>285644658>Because they could mean different thingsYou can say that about any kind of foreshadowing in a story. >Because you choose to interpret these things as if they mean one particular thing on purpose once the story revealed the character's true intentions That's how foreshadowing works. Stop being retarded.
>>285644541Itachi being a good guy was always a thing but everything around that plot point wasn't.Itachi merely did something bad early on (probably just killing his parents exclusively), we wouldn't here about an actual massacre until the later half of land of waves.
>>285644763You can't say "Itachi explaining his plans" is foreshadowing for Itachi being a double agent when every single ninja, including the not double agent ones, explain their plans for no reason whatsoever, every time
>>285643354The evil council of the Hidden Leaf is always watching and being needlessly brutal and petty.
>>285644715>When he holds backTsukuyomi has never killed an opponent, it has never even been implied to be capable of doing so.
>>285644604Jiraiya-sama... I... I run....
>>285644692It was Rin's death anniversary I think and he saw Kakashi musing on Minato's wife giving birth soon so he thought it was funny?
>>285644351>Danzo leaked that the kid who looks exactly like the 4th hokage has the nine tailsDo you even hear yourself? Do you not realize how stupid this is? The writing is so bad in this series.
>>285644715>No it was foreshadowing that Itachi was was a spy.why would he unsubtly reveal that he's a spy in front of his partner?>When he holds backhow many people has tsukuyomi killed?>Asuma said it's easy to find Naruto.evidently not that easy!>Because Itachi could beat Orochimaru.>orochijobbuthat also doesn't answer my questions at all.
>>285644783It was how he killed his mom.
>>285644851He killed her with a sword.Is this some novel shit?
NOOO I WONNED THAT FIGHT THE BEE WAS BURNED
>>285644777I'm saying all those things I mentioned together is the foreshadowing. Again, stop being retarded.
>>285644865Yeah he made her die of old age after spending 60 years of a happy life in Tsukuyomi.
>>285644540Bee LOST to amaterasu. He had to sacrifice a whole tentacle for that vacation. Ignore the 4v1 that Sasucuck lost before that moment.
>>285644487>Hidan deserved itIt should've been me
>>285644875You can't call Itachi babbling foreshadowing when everyone babbles, can we agree on that?
>>285644880That was on Izumi, not Mikoto.
>>285644821Am I retarded if I don't understand?
>>285644783>Tsukuyomi has never killed an opponentHe killed his girlfriend Izumi with it.
>>285644592>being fatally wounded and saved by your teammate isn't a loss it just isn't okay?!
>>285644913Not canon.
so far what i'm gathering from this itachi dickrider is that tsukuyomi only kills women
>>285644838>why would he unsubtly reveal that he's a spy in front of his partner?He doesn't care what Kisame thinks.>how many people has tsukuyomi killed?Izumi >evidently not that easy!It is to Asuma.>that also doesn't answer my questions at all.Oh you're just that retard, last (you) for you.
>>285644912No.>Twelve years before the start of the series, Obito visited Rin's grave in Konoha. Kakashi was already there when he arrived and Obito, watching secretly, heard him confide to Rin's grave that Minato's wife, Kushina Uzumaki, would soon be giving birth. Knowing that Kushina was the Nine-Tails' jinchūriki and that the seal keeping the Nine-Tails contained within her would weaken during childbirth, Obito tracked her down on the night of October 10. He killed her Anbu bodyguards and midwives, which included the Third Hokage's wife, and took her newborn son, Naruto Uzumaki, hostage to prevent Minato from interfering. Minato was able to take Naruto from him, which distracted him long enough for Obito to escape with Kushina.[22] He extracted the Nine-Tails from her body, placed it under his control with his Sharingan, and ordered it to destroy the village.[23]He... he just did it.
How did Sasukefags react to this back in the dayThis was buckbreaking
>>285644927Proof?
>>285644838>Tsukuyomi Doesn't kill a single character. Easily healed by Tsunade >Amaterasu Doesn't kill a single character. Easily extinguished by Jiraiya or Yamato Itachi bros...is our Mangekyo Sharingan completely useless?
>>285644981Itachi is entirely carried by Totsuka. Even then he loses to a few people.
Gyuki look out!!!
>>285644958Uchiha really are spiritually women
>>285644958>most important event in the series is just because Obito felt like it with no other explanationlmao holy kek
>>285644541>- Kakashi wondered why Itachi used Tsukuyomi instead of just killing himYeah I'd wonder that too, your man on the inside puts you in a coma-inducing super genjutsu instead of letting you off nicely with a night-night basic sharingan one.
>>285645015I never cared for Sasuke's MS design. It tries too hard.
>>285644981>Doesn't kill a single characterIt killed Izumi.
>>285644948>He doesn't care what Kisame thinks.he should. kisame's the most loyal akatsuki and has no problems with killing him or outing him for being a traitor.>Izumiwho? some non canon character?>It is to Asuma.yeah because the guy lives in Konoha and isn't suspicious so he can just ask anyone to find out>Oh you're just that retard, last (you) for you.I don't know what you're talking about but good shit resorting to this to end the argument. i was attempting to not bring in powerscaling nonsense but this comes down to the fact that just because Itachi can beat a jobbing Orochimaru doesn't mean he can beat Jiraiya. how does anybody know how strong the other is without having fought them. it's ridiculous to assume Itachi knows everything Jiraiya has at his disposal.
>>285645042Idk who that is. Can you post a page from the manga to refresh my memory?
>>285644997>Itachi is entirely carried by Totsuka....and his base sharingan, and his speed, and his intelligence, and his genjutsu, and his susanoo
>>285644444Is Hidanee-sama a yandere?...
>>285645034Itachi's a retarded Uchiha, see him torturing Sasuke for zero good reason and then preparing to brainwash Sasuke with Shisui's Sharingan.
>>285645053>Idk who that isItachi's girlfriend.
>>285644968The manga not having her
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>>285645079Mouth hands typed this post.
Cute racist
>>285645064Everything he did in the Sasuke fight except for Totsuka blade was pathetic.
>>285645111Obito mentioned her.
>>285645102Okay? Can you post a page from the manga?
>>285644444>44444I'm sure it'll be fine anon
Izumi? You mean the girl who got cucked by Hana?
>>285645112https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/285641123/#q285645093
>>285645163Obito talked about a nameless lover Itachi supposedly had, not even specifying their gender.
>>285641435>>285641435Is kishi really gonna spend 2 months on this?
>>285645181I forgot to delete the old date
>>285645148>everything he did when he was holding back, practically blind, and minutes from dying from his illness was pathetic
>>285645020Coolest guy
>>285645199>implying Itachi would be gayhe's an Uchiha, not a fucking freak
>>285645199>Obito talked about herYup.
>>285645236look at this unc
>>285643119Of courseKisame is from a clan of fish niggas for one
>>285645233How else do you explain the AIDS?
>>285645233Uchihas are all gay outside of Obito.
>>285643929>>285643886He didn't though,all he did was show how stupid Hidan was. Jashin is literally a kanji/sound combination in Japanese that just means evil god,thats how on the nose it is. Hidan is probably worshipping some minor or major demon and thinks it's anywhere clos to an actual god.
>>285645248Izumi and Itachi weren't even a thing in the novel she originated from.
>Only other characters who got Ninja AIDS was KimimaroI'm sure Itachi said "no homo" though.
>>285645298In that moment Shikamaru was euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, he was englightened by his own intelligence. He's literally me.
>>285645291Fugaku impregnated Mikoto twice. Sasuke impregnated Sakura.Sarada will let herself be impregnated by Boruto.
>>285645337Those are called beards
>>285645148None of these are impressive. Itachi is only dangerous because you can get Totsuka'd or Tsukuyomi'd. Everything else is middling
>>285645306Obito referred to her as Itachi's lover.
>>285644173That's stupid
>>285645337Those two spend most of their lives thinking of men or appealing to other men.
>>285645381Except Izumi was literally not his lover in any media she's in, he could be talking about anyone.
>Itachi wasn't gay!Shisui's gapped asshole says otherwise.
>>285645402He was talking about Izumi.
>>285645385How fragile is your masculinity that merely thinking of men is gay to you?
>>285644713Hyuga are above Leaf politics and do whatever they want
>>285644351>>285644459Sure, but surely someone would be a little curious about the spiky blonde haired boy (who was born in Konoha) with blue eyes and the same last name as the Hokage's wife. It's not like everybody was running around with the Uzumaki name like in real life where you can find several people with the last name 'Cooper' or something either.
>>285645510Are you implying faggots can't be masculine?
>>285645523except anything of importance beyond giving birth to Naruto's children and getting kidnapped by aliens
>>285645573Those were decisions they made though, not the Leaf
>>285645384k
Why would you even what MS? >useless abilities >makes you go blind>gives you permanent brain damage Seems like a dumb thing to want
Okay, yeah, sure, all this boring shit is nice and all but do you FUCKING LOVE JUGO YET!?
>>285645665Susanoo is really fucking cool.
>>285644282Says who?
>>285645668Replace this faggot with Kimimaro who somehow survives and fully recovers from AIDS. What changes in part 2?
>>285645462How? She's not his girlfriend, she was just a fangirl of his.
>>285645665>>gives you permanent brain damageThis comes with being an Uchiha.
>>285645523What? Hiashi was literally forced by his own brother to do what the state wanted.
>>285642238I'd say that there'd need to be some genetic compatibilities for the swap to work, but Rin just fucking popped Obito's Sharingan in Kakashi's filthy eye socket and he did just fine.
>>285645704Outside of moveset, Kimimaro is even worse than Juugo.He'd also be downgraded to a jobber to make Sasuke look good.Would be better if either Sakon/Ukon and Tayuya survived to replace Karin and Suigetsu.
I can't say the bad word I'm thinking about but I think all jinchuriki are that word if you read my mind
>>285641259I'd hate to be the nation that got stuck with sunagakure
>>285641350This is literally just true. Like of all the stuff Obitodara says here, this is literally just accurate.
>>285645704He becomes only relevant for his Curse Mark and fulfills the excact same role as Jugo after he learns to give Sasuke his chakra. Kaguya is instead related to Sakon and Ukon.
>>285645665>even whatESL
>>285641274Imagine your entire clan preferring to have a guy from another clan lead them instead of you
>>285642760Sasuke probably never listened anyhow.
>>285645774>Kimimaro is even worse than JuugoAre confusing him with Kidomaru the spider guy? Because Kimimaro (bone guy) as an edo was able to take out a kcm Naruto clone. So fully recovered alive Kimimaro would be strong as fuck.
>>285645787FUCKING WELSH FISHFREAKSANIMALS INSIDE OF THEM AND EVERYTHING
>>285641682Wars back in the day were to conquer places, not nuke them
>>285641721Assumedly they had some position on the Hokage council that was cut and 'replaced' with a position as police commissioners that actually had way less influence. And they were probably under ANBU jurisdiction and observation, which further limited their autonomy.
>>285642760The academy is controlled by (((the elders)))
>>285642760>Do they not teach about this in the academy?Did you read the chapter with your eyes closed?
>>285641411Its funny how fans talk about Naruto being a world of military dictatorship, but the two Hokage we actually see do anything, Hiruzen and Tsunade, aren't at all dictators and aren't even bossy leaders. Both have very limited power and have to debate and compromise with others all the time.
>>285645958How did they pull this off? Every moderately old person was still alive during these events. Did they mind wipe all the old people?
>>285641435Their coup is completely justified. It isn't a conspiracy when the government was literally out to get them.
>>285645174I like her kind of crazy, she's a female sadistic predator. Often mentally ill women let other's abuse them, but she's a literal man-eater.
>>285643734It's a fan, presumably it's used to enhance fire jutsu
>>285645982Why would you interpret that as "We mindwiped everyone's memory of Madara" and not "the elders all agreed to just not write his name down in history books and not tell the kids"
>>285645982>How did they pull this off?Ninja magic.
>>285642515Ninjas make more money not having to manage a civil bureaucratic government and instead just take murder-for-hire missions.
>>285645822Retard
>>285646001They were only really ostracized post-Ninetails attack (because Elders correctly surmised an Uchiha did it) the police thing was really not a big deal.
>>285646029Reminder she still loves Kakashi.
>>285641334>>285641350/ourkage/
>>285645958Do you think anyone in shonen threads actually read their manga?
>>285643026Why is every Hokage a Senju or was otherwise indoctrinated by the Senju? Despite making up 0.0001% of the village, Senju make up 100% of the Hokages.
>>285646036How'd they get everyone to agree to that anyway? Why didn't any elders go "Madara was a massive asshole, don't be like him please kiddos"?
>>285643734Reflect attacks
>>285643225ANBU were most likely their bosses. So it was a gilded cage where they were given an annoying job that made people resent them (no one anywhere likes cops much) but they were bound beneath the Hokage even more tightly.
>>285642622The elders get so much shit for being mostly sensible and correct
>>285642515The daimyos enabled shinobi to keep their warrior culture transitioning from the warring states period. That's good enough for ninjas. They don't want to get mired down by every area of governance, banking, commerce and politic.
>>285642908Does Minato get to complain?
>>285646127Minato and Kakashi weren't THAT Senju-y.
>>285646073I'm not the one who said "what" instead of "want". Learn english.
>>285645959Who votes for the elders and the hokage though?
>>285641199Wait a minute...
>>285644142Tobirama really should never have been Hokage. It is hard to believe that all the clans in the village agreed to back-to-back Senju leaders.
>>285646179>sacrifice your life to save your village>set up your son to be a hero>Hiruzen blows it because he didn't feel like itAbsolutely
>>285646001The government was out to get them because they kept attacking the village
>>285646079No, she's Obito's loliwife in heavenTrust
>>285645079There's nothing that says loving older brother like planning to brainwash your little sibling if he doesn't obey Konoha like you want him to.
>>285641238Democracy moment
>>285646079Of course. Kakashi is a hunk who doesn't chase females like Obito which makes him even more attractive.
>>285644958....We do a liittle trolling....
>>285646184Retard
>>285646219Didn't the Uchiha back Tobirama without much issue based on what we know? They didn't start malding over the police thing until later and were okay with it at the time.
>>285646206A large committee.
>>285644958...and he was the coolest guy.
>>285646079Rin loves men for what is inside their hearts. Kakashi was always a better person than Obito.
>>285644190They convinced hiashi to sacrifice himself to avoid the war
>>285646340Rin is such a useless non-character, just like 95% of the female cast.
>>285645079Was Kishi really that clueless about the reveal still making Itachi look like an obsessive psycho
>>285646223>kill yourself for literally zero reason>dump a wrecked village on an old man's lap againHe has no grounds to complain.
>>285646340>Rin loves men for what is inside their pants.ftfy
>>285646223>sacrifice your lifeLmao he didn't have to. He just didn't want to be a father.
>>285646375Kakashi definitely has a big dick, true.
>>285646365Speaking of which, having Naruto praise Itachi after he tells him that his failsafe plan was to brainwash Sasuke to protect the village he hates is hilarious
>>285646388>KONOHA NEEDS ITS NUCLEAR BOMB IN CASE OF UCHIGGERS MY LOVING WIFE*kills himself and ruins his son's life*OUR HERO
>>285646397Itachi saved the village. He deserves praise.
>>285646183Namikaze is just a crypto Senju name.
>>285646397Itachi really was a cool guy. Not THE coolest, but pretty damn cool.
>>285641295>>285641993>what man willfully hurts his brother?Itachi-bros...
>>285646391Is him having a big dick / Gai having a small dick canon or was it filler, I can't remember
>>285644570I'm not sure if anons realize how lucky we are. Someday she'll obsess over something new and be gone. But having a hot AND based femanon like her around is so rare.
>>285646474Simp
>>285646462Itachi was defending himself.
>>285646498Faggot
>>285646300Wasn't his right arm an Uchiha?
>>285646462It was Danzo's fault. Itachi wanted to hug his little brother but that STINKER Danzo was still around so Itachi had to send a message.It makes sense, stop thinking about it.>*pokes your forehead*
>>285646474it's fun for upsetting sasjeet but you sound pathetic
>>285646512Sorry, I'm not your drama-obsessed OP, and you're pathetic obsessing over some random vagina on an anonymous forum. I don't make the rules, simp.
>>285646029>kangaroos ring at your door
Was there anyway to make Itachi's good goy reveal sensible?
Reminder only Tsunade could save Kakashi from his coma. Thanks Itachi good job
>>285646570No since it already was.
>>285646570If Obito suspected Itachi of being a traitor and gave him a minimum torture Sasuke quota I'd believe it more.>>285646597He used Uchiha magic to divine Tsunade's location and the future beforehand.
>>285646570Probably to go all in and having him think that without power madara or danzo would have killed sasuke, possibly because a camouflaged zetsu made him think there was such a plan
>>285646597Yup yup, that's my HERO, ITACHI!
>>285641334Uhhh... Something is not adding up here.
>>285646447>I have powersWhy is this so funny
>>285646597Sasuke was hit with tsukuyomi as a seven year old and woke up from it. Kakashi would've been fine.
>>285646388>picshe may as well have. Not like anyone in Konoha treated the jinchuuriki with respect until he saved them all from pain. Waterfall shadow-Naruto was right about everything
>>285646634Sasuke tried to kill him with chidori. Was Itachi not supposed to defend himself from that schizo?
>>285641334How is it that they're supposed to be brothers and yet they don't even look like cousins? I'd believe it more if Tobirama was said to be of the same clan as Kakashi.
>>285646543The femanon is definitely nicer than you lot. I hope we can have a comfy thread again soon.
>>285646669He could have just tossed him away and put him in a genjutsu. Breaking his arm is a bit much.
>>285644570I still read but Hidansis's unhingedness is more interesting than Kishimoto or Sasjeet's antics
>>285646663>Not like anyone in Konoha treated the jinchuuriki with respect until he saved them all from painExcept for Iruka, Hiruzen, Kakashi, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Asuma, Kurenai, Gai
>>285646685They could easily just have different mothers.
>>285646669>Did you see that, Kisame? I was defending myself. He was coming right at me.>I don't feel safe. I know his wrist is broken but I better go give him a quick mindrape to neutralize the threat to my safety completely.>*inconspicuously covers his 'I <3 my little brother' tattoo*
>>285646702>Breaking his arm is a bit muchBecause that schizo just tried to kill him.
>>285642424>why do presidents exist when they don't actually offer anythinghmmm
>After Izuna succumbed to his injuries, Madara, wracked with grief, made one final stand against the Senju and was summarily defeated. Tobirama attempted to kill Madara to finally end the fighting, but Hashirama stopped him, knowing that would only renew hostilities between the Senju and Uchiha. Madara offered to surrender if Hashirama would kill himself or Tobirama.[7] Hashirama agreed to take his own life, and as he made preparations he instructed Tobirama, despite his protests, not to seek retribution. Madara ultimately withdrew his request and agreed to peace.NO TOBIRAMA WHAT ARE YOU DOING DON'T LISTEN TO YOUR RETARD BROTHER KILL HIM NOW KILL THE UCHIHA ROACH PLEASE TOBIRAMA!
>>285646685Tobirama is an albino.
>>285646756He mindraped him because he was trying to attack him again. It's still self defense.
>>285645959Konoha is pretty obviously a republic of sorts.
Stress turned Tobirama's hair white.
>>285641391>Utterly lying nigga
>>285646733>IrukaDoesn't count.>HiruzenDoesn't count.>KakashiDoesn't count.>JiraiyaDoesn't count.>TsunadeDoesn't count.>AsumaDoesn't count.>KurenaiDoesn't count.>GaiDoesn't count.
Do you guys think a full powered Tobirama with prep time was stronger than Hashirama or any of the kage? Just being the inventor of edo tensei, FTG, and shadow clones seems like it would put him above even his brother during the era of Madara. Seems like he would just fight with an army of zombies resurrected from ninjas he slaughtered fueled by prisoners he captured. I imagine he would go after Madara with an edo tensei army of dead Uchiha to counter his bullshit.
>>285646804Discount bakugo
>>285641411Shouldn't they shatter the Uchiha around every corner so they couldn't plan something fishy?
>>285646837Depends on zombie quality; it was also perfected by Kabuto so the zombies would be way weaker than their full strength. If he collects enough Izanagi spamming bastards sure though, not many could beat that.
>>285641259>I did steal them>>285641274>He volunteered his eyes to meSo you didn't steal them, then. They were a gift.
>>285646837>Do you guys think a full powered Tobirama with prep time was stronger than Hashirama or any of the kage?No.>seems like it would put him above even his brother during the era of MadaraHis edo tensei is shit. It was Kabuto who improved it so that edos can have power closer to their original selves. Tobirama brand edos are weak as shown in part 1.
>>285646882Meant for >>285641177>>285641199
>>285646882He was lying more just for fun.
>>285641314Sasuke knew about the significance of the Final Valley but had no idea who Madara was when Kurama brought him up. Make it make sense.
>>285646688SIMP
>>285646895>His edo tensei is shit. It was Kabuto who improved it so that edos can have power closer to their original selves. Tobirama brand edos are weak as shown in part 1I forgot about that but wasn't it only that his edo was weak when the personalities were suppressed? So resurrected dead allies would at least be at full edo power then. But definitely takes him down a notch if he can't resurrect enemies at full.
How would you rate his larping skills?
>>285646955Managed to fool the entire shinobi world who never bothered to actually verify his claims.
>>285645877I was talking about his personality, Kidomaru is fun as fuck.
>>285641372>>285641391>It was totally a random attack, bro.
>>285646941>but wasn't it only that his edo was weak when the personalities were suppressed?No
Lol the schizo botted his own thread after it was said in the last thread that he bots Sakon's to bump limit in a few hours while persevering his own. Once again proving most of the activity in threads are controlled (samefagged, to put it more simple).
>>285646927>It's that place where Hashirama-sama the Mighty killed some random fucking jobber!That's apparently what everyone knew.
15 years ago.
>>285646465Filler but it's how fujoshi view their dynamics
>>285647002>persevering*preserving. Damn autocorrect.
>>285647002>the schizoYou?
>>285647064I'm not a pajeet living in Australia, so no.
>>285647002Peak schizophrenia right here
>>285641135Hashirama exudes such chad dominance over this Uchiha faggot.
>>285646529Yes, he was one of the good ones.
So where are all the Senjuu?
>>285646507Your honor, I had to use tsukuyomi on my kid brother to protect myself.
>>285647183Now you're getting it.
>>285641391It's a good thing he has the mask on, because you know his ass is smiling under it.
>>285646728This. It's absolute cinema
>>285646874>Depends on zombie qualityNah that other anon was right. I forgot his edo tensei is severely weak and basically just good for suicide attacks with weak fodder. Tobirama deserves credit for inventing the foundation of a lot of broken shit but he seems like the weakest kage if you believe the Hiruzen glazing.
>>285641238What was stopping hashirama from just taking over a nation by force and installing the senju clan as the ruling government? It seems extremely silly that he would whore himself out to bumbling geriatrics for money and watch his close friends and family die in pointless conflicts when he's essentially a demigod who can bench press tailed beasts for fun.>>285643385Danzo was secretly spiking hiruzen's tea with estrogen so he'd be more effeminate and less forceful in his decision making.
>>285646938I'm gay anon. But you people are insufferable and she is not.
>>285641274>>285641295>>285641314Man... Was this guy a narcissist or what?
i think there should be more girls who want to fuck the akatsuki. Bring me zetsu's wife.
>>285647324simp
Learn from this manhttps://files.catbox.moe/4yv9m6.mp4
>>285647401I knew a girl who was into Zetsu. And Hidansis said she likes the other Akatsuki's too. They seem to be really popular in general.
>>285647401Zetsu is such a weird choiceLike I could see a woman obsessing over any Akatsuki member except him, Tobi and Kakuzu
>>285647437>See that? I finally made you madI kneel
>>285647437Kino early shippuden.
>>285647437>dubchadBased
Good to have the (mostly)comfy thread back. Thanks OP.
>>285647507>Kakuzuyou have no idea the world you've stepped into, anon. He's an icon in the world of guro/body horror femanons
>>285647527>>285647544>>285647573Ya welcome>>285647614This is true, Kakuzu's pretty popular. I like him a lot too, though I can't see myself dominating him, or even play-fighting. That's a little disappointing
>>285647437>>285647723Hi Hidanee-sama. Hope next thread is a bit slower and you hop on early
>>285641334Based Tobirama, forgiving his enemies and giving them a position of trust and honor! Wholesome!
Sasuke is a fucking idiot , Itachi turned into a criminal for a buch of arrogant asses, I can see why Sasuke is mad.His decisions are as expected from a teenager but he’s a fucking idiot.he just straight up build hate against itachi without thinking why he did that or what was the real reason like he has a brain he knows itachi aint a dumbass or someone who killed their own clan just to test their strength. >why did sasuke goes after orochimaru to get more power when konoha was litteraly more powerful then orochimaru at that time.>and why did he not heal his and nardo arms as well as reviving dead people after the war with his rinnegon.
>>285647723post hidan merch/goodies youve collected
>>285647795at the risk of sounding like a Kishimoto defender: Sasuke's perspective isn't that crazy. Imagine someone you love doing something comparable to the uchiha massacre, they finally receive justice, and you thought they were an evil heartless madman, but it's worse. They were a good person and did it because they were brainwashed, and probably mentally ill, given Itachi's idea of brainwashing Sasuke with koto. You'd freak the fuck out at whatever institution made him that way, in Sasuke's case, Konoha. And it's not like Sasuke hasn't dwelled on the massacre: he does something smart, reasons out that Itachi couldn't have done all that shit in one night, solo king be damned. It's in service of introducing Tobi to the Uchiha bros plotline but it's also some rare good writing in Sasuke's favor.
>>2856413141. Was it ever explained why he needed to attack the leaf village?2. When he got the 9 tails, why didn't he just go get the other tailed beast and do the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan?
>>285645982They are a police state of secret agents, retard. If their goverments tells them to forget they do. Not to mention you can seal information inside people brains put seals forbidding them to speak etc
How is there a Hidan fag?
>>285647988Also, I just remembered that he learned about the Infinite Tsukuyomi before he left, but when he left the village, the world was at peace.What even was Madara's plan?
>>285647988>why didn't he just go get the other tailed beast and do the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan?I didn't think he thought of that until the Rinnegan? I also don't understand how/when he got the 9-Tails since Hashirama is the one who tamed all the tailed beast and handed them out like candy.
>>285647940nta but i believe naruto is dumber than sasuke. But unlike sasuke naruto oozes more testosterone than sauce because he is driven by ambition and not emotions like sasuke.When it comes to his writing, yea im going to be this avenger but also an emotional compulsive faggot.
>>285648065>I didn't think he thought of that until the RinneganHe already knew about Infinite Tsukuyomi and the God Tree before he left
>>285648295Naruto comes off as way more gay than Naruto desu
>>285648319Than *Sauske
>>285648253*solos Itachi*
>>285647814The only merch I used to own was a Jashin necklace, and I can't find it anymore. Such blasphemy, I know. But I really like the Radian Studio Hidan figure, featuring Matatabi and a defeated Yugito. It looks awesome. I've seen a picture of someone in a store putting a bunch of these "Yugito-walls" next to each other, essentially creating a huge massacre site>>285648013Well, it all started when my dad knocked up my mom
>>285648319>>285648355Sasuke is a bishonen pretty boy. He is way gayer than Naruto
>>285648319Naruto comes off as Christian if anything.
>>285648447That sounds less like he's gay and more like you're gay for him.
>>285648567>Hashirama spared Madara>Naruto's endless loveAsura Incarnations are so kind... unlike those filthy Indra Demons.
>>285642525I mean the Daimyos have always been a thing... Also they were hired to protect their lands from other people who could do reality bending shit.
You guys ever feel trapped in a tsukuyomi, repeating the same arguments over and over and over and over and over and over?
>>285641123
>>285641274So basically all the Uchiha were reasonable except him.
>>285648785Ouch
>>285648778Yes I do often feel that I'm on a groundhogs loop
>>285641314It’s dumb he did this but this art is fantastic it really stands out amongst all the bland shit that has been put out since the timeskip
>>285644227Kishimoto never lets logic or continuity hold him back from hamfisting drama
>>285648778Anon just broke out of his Izanami loop, congrats
>>285643970>Daimyo are wary at first but forced to complySee that's where you're wrong. The Senju's were in bed with the Daimyo to unify the local clans in the land of fire so they could tame them into being their personal military. Madara knew something was off from the start but he was too autistic to play the political game. He had to go nuclear.
>>285642256Obito is lying to feed Sasuke's ego in an attempt to get Sasuke to side with him. he's trying to pick at Sasuke's insecurities and redirect his hatred for Itachi towards Konoha.
>>285643970basically like the foundation of Prussia. >gothic mercs get so big and powerful they decide to create their own country
>>285647320because he actually wanted to do what was best for the people at large, the Ninja Cincinnatus. a real 'Washington hands his sword over to Congress' moment that says everything you need to know about the quality of his character as a man. there's a reason why he was elected Hokage.
Hello. I like boobs.
>>285644592He really looks like Itachi here
>>285645704Taka would be too gay with three twinks. Having a chad on the team balances things out.
>>285642429>>285642238the Uchiha didn't know EM even existed until after Madara swapped in Izuna's eyes. it's implied that they also didn't fully understand how the regular mangekyo worked either, so it's implied a ton of Uchiha were going around killing each other to try and unlock mangekyo, and swapped non-mangekyo sharingan in the hopes of unlocking EM. a pack of retards playing with powers beyond their comprehension.
>>285646388Minato & Kushina are such a fantastic couple that I don't even have separate folders for each of them, just a shared one for both.
>>285642424it's like how in ancient Japan, the Emperor was technically the leader of the country but the Shogunate are who actually ran things.
>>285646955Pretty ok, but I never bought him being Madara.
>>285649530what's the appeal?
>>285642973Kishi had to invent the entire lore of jinchuriki and the "people hate them out of fear of their strength" to try and justify the premise he cooked up that originally was a lighthearted action comedy about a magical fox boy who turned into pretty women as a prank
>>285643270wood is the Asian equivalent to holy magic.
>>285643274ANBU aren't police, they're SpecOps soldiers. how many Navy Seals go around enforcing traffic laws IRL? we see some of the stuff the Konoha Police do, it's stuff like rounding up drunkards and arresting petty vandals.
>>285644388Or deduct from his inheritance. His father would get fat stack of money after all he was the president for a few years.
>>285643270Maybe Exdeath is Kishimoto's favorite Final Fantasy villain
>>285644142Madara was dead by the time Tobirama came to power.
>>285643418>be woman>aggressively lust for a psychopathic serial killerit just keeps happening
Hate Uchihas man
>>285644958>>285644692because he was already committed to the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan at that point, and needed the 9 Tails. He knew that the seal on Kushina would be weakest when she was giving birth, so made his move then.as for controlling it so it would attack Konoha, that was his in the name of his personal grudge against the village for putting kids like Rin in a position where they have to fight hopeless battles and die, causing a cycle of pain and grief for the loved ones they leave behind. Minato managed to get the better of him and sealed away Kurama, and presumably Obito didn't have the capacity to break the seal Minato used.
Would Kushina forgive Obito?
>>285646079Obito should've refocused on a nice Uchiha girl. keep clear of those Shiksa vixens
>>285646529and his bedmate.
>>285649911Well, he WAS the coolest.
>>285649473>>285649403the treasure of the Hyuuga clan
