Why are Frieren's characters so stone faced?
>>285643346because they live in a depressing sexless world
>>285643346The biggest problem here is that it interferes with Frieren characterization, there's no contrast whatsoever and Frieren just comes out as another regular waifu next to everyone else.
>>285643346because frienren characters are bland moe blobs
>>285643422What do you mean by that?What happens when you mix in a little too much Angel in with your Dragon....https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DofohDLyfKk
>>285643346As usual some gimmick the author is going with.
>>285643346Author never interacted with human beings and mangaka can't draw expressions.
>>285644076>>285643346anime change
>>285644134retard
>>285643346fats lack all emotions that arent hunger
>>285643346Characters literally not emoting at all is what makes it deep and mature.And now to strawman your point, I will insinuate that you want every anime to make One Piece tier goofy faces all the time.
>>285643346Most anime characters act like cartoons and thus exaggerate their emotions. The Frieren author want "realism", thus compensates by making strong emotions not exist.
>>285643346Because you're autistic.
>>285643346She was groomed by an autistic elfYou'd be stonefaced too
>>285645471mangaka can only draw stoic face or smug smile, it's over.
>>285643346It's not realistic to talk and explain stuff mid-fight. It's Jojo tier stuff. So this scene falls in a weird scale of "trying to not be too unrealistic with the goofy One Piece faces (while they talk mid-fight, which is the unrealistic part but everyone forgot)"
>>285643346Have none of you seen a person/been yourself in a dangerous situation before? Most of the time, if the person is not immature, they can remain fairly calm. This is especially true if they are experienced with the situation they are in. Do you really expect her to cry or scream? What purpose would that serve?
>>285646035Show literally any reaction whatsoever? Holy fuck, you Frieren fans will do literally anything to justify this shit. It's actual insanity.
>>285645690Which one of those two is Fern's expression?
>>285643346What?
Because the artist literally cannot into expressions. He has no idea how to convey emotion through art unless it's crying.
>>285646075That is not how people function in my experience. People often get into something akin to shock or "lock in" the moment they are in danger, making emotional reactions almost feel like a waste of energy at that point. I had a stranger put a knife threatingly towards my throat, I didn't react at all and spoke normally to him. Not because I am tough, but because I was too busy processing what was happening for me to feel any emotion. Watch almost any any combat footage or execution video and you will see what I mean.
>>285646193Anon, that's not an excuse for literally every character regardless of circumstance or personality to be stone-faced.
>>285646193That is not universal and you know that
>>285646221They are not stonefaced all the time. Stark and Fern make plenty of emotional expressions, Ubel constantly has a smug smile and Frieren smiles often or looks exhausted.
>>285643346Author became depressed after the hype died and is now projecting on his characters.
>>285646268>Exceptions counter the rule
>>285643346one-note characters that the average depressed zoomer who stares at their phone all day relates to
>>285643346Because that makes it more le serious
>>285646221>regardless of circumstance
>>285646304That's either smug or stoic, it can't be anything else
>>285646266Not universal, but I imagine it would be fairly universal when you speak of those experienced with figthing (like Frieren and Fern). Even in real life, if you went to a proper martial arts gym (or any profession that deals with stressful situations ie paramedic, firefighter, military) you would probably have a hard time finding somebody that makes a ton of expressions when they are scared since they will be more used to it.
>>285643346it gets a bit better when Stark gets introduced and we have an emoting character on screen
>>285646035>Have none of you seen a person/been yourself in a dangerous situation before?I have and this is partially why the above makes no sense (does she even have that much battle and injury experience by this point? Definitely no sort of physical conditioning). But even then she is getting fucking stabbed through her shoulder. Even someone that gets really calm, would at least grimace in pain or something like that. I remember when I was younger, there was this one kid that ended up getting hit in the eye, his eye was fucked, blood-shot, and bleeding, he very calmly addressed the teachers and his friends explaining that he couldn't see out of his eye anymore and just followed instructions without issue, but he still reacted to the pain and wasn't just blankly staring at nothing like a robot. I'd imagine the pain he felt wasn't even comparable to getting stabbed through the fucking shoulder, though, but he still reacted to it and made FACIAL EXPRESSIONS.
>>285646083Bored but talking.In a still image, it can almost be mistaken for a real emotion.
>>285646083Stoic face (open mouth edition).
>>285646193"You absolute fool this is called good realistic character writing maybe if you left your room sometime you'd understand that real people don't overreact to every little thing like getting stabbed and hoisted in the air" - Frieren fans, probably
>>285647116Yes, and?
>>285645471How is Serie not smug here? You might be slighly autistic.
>>285647302>Blatantly trolling now
Real people don't feel emotion. Emotion only exists in kids cartoons.
>>285647695>nooo only I can troll
>>285645471Fern can count as bored here. The only "other emotion" is Serie which is very smug.
>>285645471This looks so silly
Men don't show emotions, this is why frieren is a mancore anime.
>>285646112Yes Himmel is the only good character in this entire series, and maybe Heiter, and both are long gone.
I wish Fern would give me a nursing handjob while stroking with her thumb and index finger.
>>285643346they show a lot of emotion when they are actually happy though. There's just not much to be happy about in old world. Books are sparse, no smartphone, no tiktok, nothing to tingle your dopamines. I think it's quite grounded though it can be argued whether that's good or bad in a fantasy fiction
>>285644278what the fuck why did they make it worse?
>>285644278>>285651838That's the wrong part of the scene.
Because the Japanese still believe in the stoic serious German stereotype, they never adapted to the reality of them being either pure soja beans who larp as west coast Americans or red faced alcoholics who have more in common with their slavic neighbors
>>285643346These threads are the funniest on this board. Literally telling on yourselves
>>285644134>>285645690>>285646152Aside from these the level of insanity from other posters sure is somethingwhat the fuck
>>285643346dull surprise!
>>285643346Frieren is an autistic mage who's seen everything, nothing surprises her.Fern was raised in total isolation by an old priest.Stark... It's literally in his name.
>>285643346>>285652036reminder that this is the battle where Frieren calmly decided to bet Fern's life by making her fight alone, because Frieren had complete confidence Fern can handle itthe wound is ten centimetres from her throat
>>285643346It's what turned me off the manga. Nobody in this series emotes. Or acts with any passion. It's hard to care about what's happening when none of the characters do.
>>285643346Because you touch yourself at night
>>285645690Ridiculously wrong. The mangaka can draw meme faces too. Don't forget that.
god I love Serie
>>285653348>>285652553>being this mad over some awkward animation in one scene not being emotionally realistic enough or we and you once heard somebody say this is the best anime of all time
To make it a bit different compared to other battle shonen
>>285652880Frieren can always find another battle scarred orphan with PTSD, there would be plenty of them just wandering around. Besides, this would let her groom Stark to be her perfect husband in peace like she obviously wants, they could even bond together in grief.
>>285652880Frieren reads the script. She knows her party has plot armor, so death is impossible.
One thing that's always struck me about proper old-timey photos is how stoic people tend to look in most of them. It's not implausible today to assume you could be candidly photographed/videoed at any time whilst outside (or even inside) your house, and I think it's gotten people accustomed to inordinate expressions of emotions when no one is likely to be paying attention.I've always assumed that, prior to the ubiquity of cameras, most people were fairly stony-faced when not directly interacting with personal acquaintances.If you're wondering why Frieren and Fern specifically are so expressionless, it's because they spend all day clenching their mana sphincters to hide their power levels; They're holding in the mother of all magical shits at any given time. Not to mention they're both traumatised orphans who grew up with minimal social experience.
>>285643346It's a post main quest world, everyone is just done
>>285656244Bald kid on the left is destined to develop great powers
>>285656244>all those serial killers in the makin
>>285648191Faggot
>>285643346Well Fern is neurodivergent
>>285643346fern's just a stone cold bitch
>>285652880Any other mage would've died
>>285656244>let me spend five minutes arranging you all in positions for the optimal shot>now please hold still because my old-school camera requires a few moments to properly capture the image on filmgee, I wonder why old photos tend to be stoic
>>285643346I accidentally watched S2E1 before S1, and I didn't realise it was out of order. I just thought it was a flash-forward technique where you show the party before showing how they got together. It didn't disrupt the story at all.I swear like 50% of this anime's episodes are completely superfluous.Also the Himmel flashbacks suck balls. Himmel is an utterly dreadful ultra bland character. His unique insight on life is doing chores for random people.
>>285656244Calling dibs on bottom right, the one holding her throat, she's cute.
>>285657173It's a zelda reference
>>285657167All you've pointed out here is that old-school people found it much more natural to school their expressions like they're standing in a police lineup than they did to smile naturally, which is basically what I said.>let me spend five minutes arranging you all in positions for the optimal shotYou've just described modelling, and event photography in general. Have you never been to a wedding?
>>285643422>>285643951>>285644134Get off of TickTock and YouTube. Humans over age 7 did not go around making performative emotional displays. Plays, movies and TV shows exaggerate for dramatic effect but now people think that is how you are supposed to communicate normally. Freiren is if anything a flashback to before the 19th century where performative displays were confined to plays and the orations of politicians-oratory itself being a form a theater and a subject studied and taught in universities prior to the 20th century.
>>285658017You Frierentards will do anything to defend this shit.
>>285657803are you deliberately misunderstanding?you said old people naturally smiled less, I pointed out that the photo technology at the time strongly discouraged emotingthat is not the same thing at all>You've just described modellingdid old time models also not smile? and modelling can hardly be called natural behaviour>a wedding?with photos made using modern tech, which doesn't have the same limitationsffs anon, it's not difficult
>>285652036>That's the wrong part of the scene.it's not because they completely cut out fern reacting to getting stabbed
>>285643422Making sex allows you to be happy.
>>285643346confidence is what gets you victory. showing fear gives demons what they want. taking away that satisfaction is what leads to their defeat.
>>285658421>frieren fans yadda yadda>no argument mm I'm noticing
Bump
>>285660403Anon, she shouldn't be showing literally no expression whatsoever.
>>285648032Fern can count as boring.
>>285660790>people in the past had no emotions just trust me bro
>the only characters that "emote" are demons>the species that's supposedly using emotions to trick people>only one time that actually ever happens and it's a little girl>the only other time emoting happens is drowned out by doppler effect even when idiots claim she did it to trick frieren, but only /a/ would believe in stupid troll physics like jumping 5000 feet into the air to teleport behind you and throw a ki blast that homes in on you and can magically change trajectory on a dime
>frieren community will bully you and shit down your throat if you dare to give demons the benefit of the doubt and want them to have character development>you must see them as subhuman no matter whatnazi community
>>285664333The community is really filled with insane right wingers or just flat out nazis and I don't know why people pretend otherwise.
What's her deal?
mangafags are there future arcs where flamme shows up?kind of a pickle considering Tanaka's death
ill do a bit of defence work on Frieren since most of this thread is mentally retarded otaku's whose brains have been fried from years of overly consuming hyper active characters from Shonens or Grown women acting like little kids.Generally the more aloof characters make sense to be aloof. ill address the characters from the image you provided for example Friren and fern hyper academics who spend a significant amount of time alone and in the woods or studying this types of people are likely to be introverted and less likely to be hyper active in their emotions. the other group are demons who actively are shown to only engage in emotion when it fits their overall agenda and are always faking it. but to address it it's clearly not every character. characters who dont fit this group are regularly shown reacting in more emotive ways. himmel and stark for example. did you even watch the show?
>>285664404>>285664333someone made fun of me for not understanding having bare minimum media literacy cause im an autistic faggot. that means they are a literal nazi and hitler's personal number guy
>>285664800Every character acts like this.
>>285664333they ain't bullying me and they just can't because they suck at it lmaoaura is loveaura is life
>u will be the first to be eaten by the demons chudErr actually I'm a powerful mage so my demon wife will respect me and can't beat me
This complaint has to be trolling right? The characters change expressions all the time. Maybe not so much in the manga but the anime all the time. And the times they dont are all explained easily with the situation and/or characterization.If it isnt trolling I'm assuming its just kiddos who cry when characters dont overly emote like other slop
>>285665361this>implying she won't break my magic barrier while i sleep which wakes me up as i swiftly grab her and bodyslam her onto the bed and pin her down and surprise her with making love to her all night which wears her out and i go back to sleep and wake up refreshed while she's still exhausted the morning after
>>285665454Are you fucking kidding me? Every fucking character acts like this. This character just got bested in his own field and this is the reaction he has.
>>285664333are you mentally challenged?
>>285665528A lot of mages are autistic weirdos. And he was especially so. It fits his character as he's been acting the whole time perfectly. Whats the big deal? Once again easily explainable. So, trolling right?
>>285643346to sell the atmosphere of "comfyness" maybe?
>>285665620Anon, you can't be seriously defending this shit. This is an obvious stylistic choice done by the author that hampers emotions in most scenes.
>>285643346Yeah, it's similar to the problem with that Ruri dragon thing. Everyone just looks and acts perpetually bored or annoyed, and the writing is almost bureaucratic in terms of the dull shit it cover. Just meetings where they talk about obvious shit, so there's barely even any interesting characterizations, which should be the strong point of a slower manga.
>>285643346Nothing to smile about
>>285665725They are literally listening to Sense talk. When I'm at work and some asshole is presenting something for the team that's what we all look likeAre you seriously seething over stuff that can be explained with the bare minimum of common sense?
>>285665860Why are you responding to a meta analysis of stylistic choices with in universe arguments? The way Frieren portrays its characters is incredibly dull and makes the whole show boring.
>>285658017>wow you're screaming because got stabbed? what a performative little baby...
>>285665880There is plenty of meta analysis we can get into if you like, but these examples aren't them. They're shit and once again easily explainable in world. And your last statement has just proven me right that you are just a kiddo wanting every character to emote like DBZ.
>>285658017>mfw my family is slaughtered by Viking raiders and I'm captured to serve as a slave once I come of age but I'm also 8 years old and above performative emotional displays.
>>285665971I prefer grunts and ughs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCcut39lsM
>>285666147>"the thick rich world building of my medieval fantasy story">a fucking onsen>complete with modern touristy onsen village>inb4 b-but medieval europe had bath housesthen make them look like a European one
>>285666003>These examples aren't examples because I say so and because I'm retardedly biased in favor of FrierenYou're a retard that can't understand the argument. I want the characters to show any bit of humanity. Frieren's characters don't show this at all. In universe explanations or going "That's the point!" Doesn't justify literally everything in a work.
>>285643346I loved the series but this shit annoyed me, bitch just got stabbed by a massive demon tentacle and isn't even making a pain face. This is why I like Stark.
to the gay bathhouse
>>285658017>people totally didn't show emotion in the past where there conveniently aren't any videos or photos to have seen how they actedPeople didn't just suddenly start acting differently after some arbitrary point.
>>285666303
>>285658596>I pointed out that the photo technology at the time strongly discouraged emotingAnd that was a thumbsuck explanation you came up with to sound smart, but also a silly; Anyone can hold a smile for a few minutes, and even in the pic rel I posted one can make out individual fingers on the hands of the rugrats. 'Muh exposure time' is not the explanation you think it is.
Aurafarming
>>285664725More Frieren-like of all the human mages. There's a fight coming up in which she comfortably holds a demon off while analysing and then dispelling a magical fog on the battlefield - multitasking like we only ever see the elfgirl do..
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>>285664800>>285666003>most of this thread is mentally retarded otaku's whose brains have been fried from years of overly consuming hyper active characters from Shonens >you are just a kiddo wanting every character to emote like DBZFrietards expose themselves when they accuse everybody else of being a shounenfag, because you admit you only know one other genre within one specific medium. You cannot even fathom in your feeble gay mind that people who explore media other than anime exist. Everyone must be a shounenfag, because you literally don't know any other genres or types of media, because you yourself are a closeted shounenfag.
>>285645471fern is literally expressionless as fuck, retard
The new opening sucks ass
>>285668751I skip openings anyways
>>285668806I liked both S1 openings and still listen to them, but this one is now an insta skip
>>285665860He's an autistic child who needs characters to act like flamboyant stereotypes to be able to process it. Most of this thread is.
>>285656244Idk but seeing photos of americans from the 18th/early 19th century disgusts me. Those people were all evil bastards who saw other fellpw humans as cattle
>>285668920There are actors and artists who can convey nuanced emotion of a character in a full face mask even if their ability to use body language is limited.
>>285668920You are low IQ and do not understand the difference between reality and fiction. The state of modern media is because entire industries are full of "people" like you who can't into art at all. You think stories should be a 1:1 representation of your stupid fucking office job at literally who company.
it was okay at start when the cast was small and we had emotionful characters like himmel stark the cabin elf and sein, but now the author just introduced literally 40+ characters and literally all of them are fucking kuuderes fucks clones lmao
>>285664333>>285664404I know you guys are probably baiting, but these days I take being called a nazi as a compliment>you don't like showing empathy for those who will kill you as soon as they get the chance and have no patience for manipulative subversion, you must be a heckin' nazerino, chud
>>285671676The problem is that the demons, as depicted, have all the intelligence, sentience, self control, and understanding of morality to simply change their beliefs and not be evil anymore if they don't want to be.
>>285664404I really like demons being monsters in a way no other animal in the kingdom is and I think it's one of Frieren's most artistically admissible qualities, but yes the fact that it's probably the only interesting thing about the show besides Frieren distills it's target demographic down to some fashy lunatics. It's also the fact that it minimizes a lot of the things that'd make a non anime viewer avoid anime
>>285671824er, I meant besides Himmel, haha
>>285671814the problem you're not understanding (possibly because of a low IQ) is the fact they only have those things specifically to more effectively hunt humans.They don't talk in order to express ideas, they do it to fool humansThey don't wear clothes in order to protect themselves from the elements or to attract mates, they do it to fool humansThey don't look like us because of some shared ancestor, they do it to fool humansAnd that's not some headcanon, that's straight from Frieren's mouth.>simply change their beliefs and not be evil!that's what you fags don't understand, it's not a "belief" they are ontologically incompatible with humanity. If a tree could communicate with a beaver, could it convince the beaver to stop biting it? Could a river convince it not to build a dam? No, because it's a fucking beaver, and that's what beavers do.Demons kill and eat humans, because that's what demons do. Even in the context of the show that's something humans keep forgetting and Frieren is old enough to know how the song and dance ends every single time, it's why she hates them so much.They're not humans with horns, they are a totally separate species that exists for no other reason that to murder humans. The little demon girl doesn't know what parents are, and only calls out to them sadly because humans spare her if they do. The demon nobles who infiltrated Graf didn't do evil because of some weird "durr didn't think about it" they specifically lied about being human-like in order to murder humans.I don't understand what's so impossibly hard for you fucking rubes to understand about a force of evil. >but... they can talk??Yes, a skill they developed to kill and eat humans.They don't care about themselves, they don't have familial bonds, they only breed in order to propagate their numbers, and are driven by a singular desire: to kill humans
>>285658017Yeah if were a bong in the 1800s
>>285645471Stark looks kinda shocked
>>285652880But she survived
>>285653368Find what?
>>285672074>If a tree could communicate with a beaver, could it convince the beaver to stop biting it? Could a river convince it not to build a dam?yes, it couldthere are many examples of predator animals getting along with their prey
>>285643346Because you're retarded and pretend Fern and Frieren are the only characters in the series.
>>285666261But it does justify the examples you've shown. Because they are shit.And to repeat there are tons of moments in the show where characters emote and show humanity. And you know it. The problem is you just want it constant. The only time you want to see a neutral face is in the frame of animation between 2 zany facial expressions. Because you are a child.
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>>285672314>yes, it couldNo it couldn'tbeavers live in dams, they have an instinct, even if they've never even seen a moving body of water and have all needs met, to build dams. They do it unconsciously. And in the interest of the example, it'd have to be a wild beaver. Do you think a beaver could get sufficiently guilt tripped into being homeless? I don't think so. Humans understand animal body language great, we've been studying it for decades, I know chickens don't want to be killed, and yet I just ate fried chicken for dinner. I perfectly understand a chickens feelings in regards to not wanting to be killed and Kentucky deep fried in 11 herbs and spices, and yet I did it anyways, because the chicken is a lower life form and I need to eat to live. Where the metaphor breaks down here is that I could eat other things and I have other shit going on in my life besides killing and eating chicken 24/7, but imagine how much worse it would be if that weren't the point? A chickens life is already worth less to me than a passing fancy of "hm, that sounds good for tonight" imagine how much worse it'd be every single advancement and invention was made with the singular focus of killing chickens. They'd be extinct long before I ever came around. That's the entire point of demons, they don't care about the feelings of humans, they don't care about hardships, they don't even care about themselves, they ONLY care about killing humans.>erm, I saw a hecking cute video of a snake getting along with a mouserino!!Holy shit, not only are you low IQ and delusional, you might legitimately be fucking retarded, especially with how this relates to my point.Even if a lion could be friends with a singular gazelle, it still fucking eats gazelle. The lion is still a danger to every other gazelle. You cannot provide an example of a predator animal swearing off prey completely in order to preserve the fucking feelings of the prey animal.
>>285666261>Frieren's characters don't show this at all
>>285672074Part of the entire problem with the series' characterization of demons is that being a sociopath (which demons essentially are) doesn't necessarily make someone murderously evil. Just because demons don't experience love or empathy themselves doesn't mean they're incapable of observing that humans dislike it when you kill people, or realizing that murder will turn humans against them, or even deciding for themselves that murder is wrong on an intellectual level even if they have no gut aversion to it.The series tells us that demons are just monsters and animals, but animals (and other monsters) don't behave like that. It says that demons lack empathy, but their characterization is more like demons have the Evil Gene and are cursed by an evil deity such that their reasoning and understanding of the world inevitably misleads them into evil, even when they are trying to avoid it, and even when it's completely self-destructive and self-defeating for their goals.Animals are not like demons. Wild beasts are not intelligent and able to communicate with other species. Wild beasts do not understand human morality or strictly adhere to their own. Wild beasts do not possess all the components necessary to adopt human morals. Demons do. They are incomparable to animals.If the demons have all this intellect and self control over their own behavior, then it makes absolutely no sense why they can't adopt another moral code to coexist with human beings.
>>285672488They're more of a supernatural force than an actual creature, something closer to a shadow. They aren't people
>>285672583>>285672583They act, talk and behave and even think exactly like human beings even when absolutely no one is watching them.>>285672629>>285672487>>285672410>I will now pretend as though these exceptions prove the rule, and pretend as though 99% of the time they aren't showing a boring generic faceEven in the pictures you show, their mouths only a few degrees off from being a flat line again.
>>285672488>problemit's not a problem because you're fucking retarded. They're evil. >b-but they understand it's bad!Yeah, they know humans don't like it, but they have an instinctual drive to do it, so they don't care>b-but humans will turn against them if they kill other humans!demons don't care if humans hate them, that just puts them into the position to more easily kill other humans. Also this is untrue, we saw with the little demon girl that she thought murdering someones child and just replacing it with a random other child made them even stevens. They don't understand that humans are different people and that each human has a unique bond to other humans, because they don't have those bonds in themselves.>deciding murder is wrong on an intellectual levelrefer to the beaver analogy. Beavers don't consider the feelings of the tree or the opinion of the current, they build dams because that's what they do.You're humanizing the demons again. They aren't people. They are demons. Humans have empathy and compassion, that's why sometimes we'll disadvantage ourselves to spare other beings feelings, demons do not.>b-but other animals don't do that!they're not animals, they are monsters. >b-but other monstersI guess we'd need to see other examples of monsters, but most of them aren't as intelligent or articulate as demons. An evil boar that rampages around or a slime with no brain doesn't have the innate capacity for evil that a demon does, but they all just want to destroy everything around them.>it's almost as if they just have the evil gene and are cursed to do evilYes you fucking retardthat's it, you've cracked the codeyou've finally glimpsed the entire pointThey've evil, just like the big mean dragon that burned down the town, except they look and talk like us to make us lower our guard.
>>285672651>They act, talk and behave and even think exactly like human beings even when absolutely no one is watching them.yeah it's fantasy. It adds to their mystique. The fact you are making this argument is a tether betwixt the real world and those in the story that cements you in the shoes of a villager who could get duped, making it apparent to the rest of us why their tactics are effective
>>285672651>>285666261>Frieren's characters don't show this at all
>>285672702Anon, holy fucking shit, you're missing the entire point. If they have all the ability to change their behavior, then they can't all be treated as pure evil. The sentience, intelligence, and ability to choose, makes the entire race incapable of being pure evil if they have the choice to do good. You fundamentally cannot disprove this because there isn't any argument against this. >>285672709No, it's not. It's actually very contradictory and bad writing. We're supposed to believe this is a one-note, sociopathic predator species and yet has them behaving exactly like human beings in situations where it makes no sense for them to do so. Why would demons gloat about how strong they are right before killing someone? Why would Macht let his guard down enough to be killed right after seeing Linie die? Why would Soltair care about the demon king's war killing her friends if she didn't value relationships like it's claimed demons don't? Why would a demon child want master revolte to praise them if they didn't care about each other in any parental sense or care about what each other thinks?The reality is that none of this makes any sense. The author clearly didn't think through any of this.
>>285672488>such that their reasoning and understanding of the world inevitably misleads them into evil, even when they are trying to avoid itimmediate backspin, here you are trying to personify the demons again. There is no "accidentally" in their evil, it is all very real and deliberate. They don't want to live peaceful lives, they want to kill and destroy. We get 1 whole example in the entire show of a demon who has goals beyond just "kill people" and even then, he has no understanding or capacity to understand humans that he's actually much worse and more twisted in trying to understand us. Macht does not understand why we would care if people die, he doesn't understand morality, he doesn't understand justice, he doesn't understand that we care about each other, because demons don't have these feelings. It's like those fucking shrimp that can see 10000 more colors than we can. No matter how hard we try, we can't see those colors because we don't have the capacity to see them, and demons will never understand empathy or compassion or togetherness because they don't have the capacity to feel them>demons are incomparable to animalsI agree>there's no reason they can't completely go against their natural instincts and co-exist with humansit's simple99.999% don't fucking want toand the .0001% that does, don't have the capacity to curb their violent impulses in any way that wouldn't immediately oust them. If they get a fleeting fancy to rip your head off, they will do it, and when someone gets mad at them they'll be confused and won't understand what they did wrong.
>>285672842The same Macht your talking about stopped killing people for fifty years purely because he decided to do so. That proves that demons are capable of stopping themselves from killing people and it's not some insatiable urge they can't overcome. The series is failing to provide the evidence that demons and humans can't coexist.
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>>285672702Frieren sucks but I wouldn't shortchange it by erroneously deriding people as being stupid for falling for demon antics, because demon antics are some of the few noteworthy forrays into passable writing this series ever manages and the capacity for demons to deceive the viewer is a sign their portrayal was a job well doneIt's a hallmark of immersion to deceive the viewer into a response affirming the thematic clarity of a work
>>285672868>One of the most expressive moments came from a demon who is stated to be faking it's emotions>Except it makes no sense for her to be faking it in this situationThis series is so retardedly written.
>>285672410>>285672715>l-look at my out of context screenshotsNo amount of cherry picking will change what people with triple digit IQs can plainly see, which is that Frieren is full of soulless, expressionless meme factories masquerading as human-like characters. The demons are actually just a symbol for the writer's inability to write real-feeling people.
>>285672888Triplicate-IQ havers aren't watching Frieren to begin with. You're pissing yourself in the kiddy pool.
>>285643346I unironically think Fern stone face in this scene makes sense.>Frieren magic is basically "If you can believe in something really hard, it will materialize">Frieren said to fern that>"All mages of current era are weak, you can easily defeat ALL of them by spamming magic missle">Fern trusts her mentor without a single doubt>So during this fight fern was 100% sure that she will easily defeat this demon
>>285672837>We're supposed to believe this is a one-note, sociopathic predator species and yet has them behaving exactly like human beings in situations where it makes no sense for them to do so.Yeah. It's working. Their capacity for self determination and to teeter amongst themselves on the brink of achieving a social hierarchy is part of a phenomenon tailor made to deceive intelligent humans in the Frieren verse. You are not dumb for this and that's something they had to evolve around, "Did you hear they still talk and use human language amongst each other?!" "Am I really supposed to believe this? It makes no sense, it's as if nature was created by a fool. It's some sick joke!"Fiction is just meant to elicit feelings and the things it does beyond the boundary of epistemic appraisal (ludo as the kids call it) is where it gets interesting. This is the only good thing about Frieren besides Himmel btw, but it is pretty cool
>>285672484>what is adaptability, the single most important evolutionary trait?you sound 14 years old blabbering about 'pure evil' or whatever lol
>>285672837>Anon, holy fucking shit, you're missing the entire point.
>>285672837>>285672862the issue with "changing their behaviors" is that they don't understand WHY they must change, and don't understand what it means to change. Refer to the shrimp analogy. Imagine if not seeing whatever special color they like is tantamount to murder for them. We could just assume at all times that they like whatever that color is, but we'll inevitably slip up because we just simply can't see that color. We are not built for it. In the same way, demons can't NOT kill humans, or at least, can't properly appreciate why they shouldn't. The ideas that we're all actually people doesn't make sense to them. The idea that murder is wrong no matter what doesn't make sense. It's not an issue of grasping the idea, they are physiologically incapable of it. Even in the case of Macht, who you point out didn't kill people for 50 years, ended up turning an entire kingdom to gold potentially murdering how many thousands of people, because he just didn't understand why that was wrong to do. And that's not even to mention that he was the only one to ever do it, which means fucking genocide is something on the table for the most empathic and capable of change demon out there. You say "they can choose to do good!" but that's the issue, they don't "choose" good or evil, because they don't see their actions as good or evil, they simply just "do". At most, on an intellectual scale, they can fathom what may or may not antagonize humans, but we've seen in both examples of demons co-existing with humans, however briefly, that they will eventually slip up and kill people not realizing that it was the wrong thing to do. >>285672879I don't think the humans in the world are stupid for it. They don't know their own history well because they're all illiterate hicks in bumblefuck nowhere and the demons are literally evolved to trick humans. I think the readers who somehow can't grasp "huh these guys are fucking evil and shouldn't exist" are retarded, though
>>285643346They look like autists on Xanax. One facial expression frozen in time. All the time.
>>285672991every thing demons have adapted exists only to more efficiently hunt humansalso, yes, they are pure evil, that's the entire point of their existence. They're MONSTERS, not animals
>>285673063It's especially bad because they end up in danger so often. Absolutely nothing will crack that facade
>>285673061This is completely wrong. They have an understanding of morality. The two moral values we see them possess are that they think hiding mana is wrong and that other demons dying is wrong. They don't lack morals at all. Lugner flat out thought an injustice was done when he found out Fern was hiding her mana. There's nothing saying that they couldn't adopt a different moral code.
>>285673097>Something is evil because it wants to eat me and will do everything necessary to eat meThen lions are evil. Fucking mosquitoes are evil. Moron.
I'm going to breed demons until we get a good mutation, wish me luck guys
>>285673061I don't think they are retarded for it at all. It makes sense that they would give pause for reflection on this and the only window to the contrary we have is Frieren herself, which is counterbalanced by Macht and the Demon King's own auspicious demeanour towards our kind. For you to think someone outside of the story is a retard for falling afoul of their trickery, you are saying by extention everyone in the Frierenverse is dumb and demeaning a portion of the cast's value as characters imoFrieren plays a lot with framing (a lot of the best stories do, even if I really think Frieren is nowhere near that) and even in more braindead straightforward stories I'm reluctant to simply take the story's pov as gospel as I find it to be anathema to my capacity for immersion
>>285673143>Fucking mosquitoes are evilnot wrong
>>285673246Adding that it's much like how Dark Souls handwaives players who couldn't beat it as being the hollows littering Lordran and ambushing you, or how I feel Fate Zero was a sleight of hand tailor built to make people sympathise with a logistically disgusting individual and castigate victims of tragedy, which I also think is relatively contiguous with Gen's propensity for liking stories (G-Reco.) that he's espoused as dealing in with this kind of framing hike
>>285652502Trufax
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>>285673136>The two moral values we see them possess are that they think hiding mana is wrong and that other demons dying is wrongSo, both of these points are confusing to me.Lugner was tricked, thinking Fern was weak, and was salty about it, I hardly think that's some hard and fast moral failing according to all demon kind. Especially with his whole "I can't stand geniuses" shit he was spewing earlier before he was killed. And God forbid they do think that, don't you think that might just be some type of literary baked in irony that demons don't like being tricked despite everything about them exists in order to trick humans? Besides, the idea that morals exist therefore their morals can change to anything is silly, especially in relation to once again, a set of morals based on functions of their brains they do not have, like empathy, sympathy, love and all that jazz. And second, when do we ever see demons give a fuck about other demons dying? Lugner himself said "eh, oh well" when his own companions were killed. He called his "son" a fool for failing to kill Freiren. >>285673143>anon discovers that "evil" is a metaphysical concept and is different depending on person and that to some species we may even be considered evilyeah anon, we've figured this out and have talking about it for literally thousands of years, please keep up>>285673246>if you thinking someone with a readers perspective falling for obvious tricks and bait that we see both sides of, means you think the main cast is dumb too!Except that Frieren got burned one too many times with demons and refused to get tricked and the entire first arc with them fighting the infiltrated demons is about teaching Fern and Stark that lesson, so no, they're not dumb because they learned and now don't fall for it, and you're dumb for seeing that entire story play out and still saying "well wait hold on a second, just because every single one without exception was a murderer, maybe we gotta try again"
>>285673475Your pseud posturing would be silly if you didn't insist on having the same thread ad infinitum. Evil entails something over and beyond what's necessary for basic survival.
>>285673475Lugner gave enough of a fuck about Linie to let his guard down enough to be killed. That's literally the entire reason he dies in the fight. Their entire culture is based off of who has the most mana, so they definitely do give a fuck about it beyond just using it for hunting people. Soltair said that she hated the demon king's war because it killed her friends and she later helps another demon because they remind her of said friends. They clearly have these morals, this is something beyond just basic survival or basic hunting. They flat out think it's injustice to hide your mana.
>>285673475I guess I'm dumb then. Sure thing. I myself just think of the people who think demons can change as ludonarrative agents that make the story more fascinating to me, since it becomes immediately apparent that these things are really good at fooling people and puts me in the perspective of a denizen of Frieren's verse struggling to warn someone really stubborn about demons (in this case, I'm overseeing a conversation between a villager convinced of their pernicousness - this is you - and someone like that tool who adopted the kid - this is the other dude)It's a cool thing about the story. For a moment, it's like we're in it! I'll just quietly enjoy the story over here how I want, lolPersonally I think you write like a retard and I can't stand it but I'm at least trying to be polite, though I am still sorry I'm too dumb for you man. I do wonder if you'd say the same about the author if this turned out to be his exact intention and he said it to you? (if of course)
>>285673587i had to fix the post because i also write like a retard too, soz lol
>>285673587What's even funnier is that you're replying to a bot and someone is going to have to plead with you not to waste your time with it until you get burned and realize it made the same thread the next day, having learned nothing. You're being duped.
>>285673585he's a moron. If anything the best allegory the Frieren demons have is to him since we're trying to talk to him like he's a human but any angle we try just gets repudiated with "dumb, dumb! retard! 1 iq NIGGERR RRR!" might he be the smartest Frieren fan on earth?
>>285673636lol, coincidence:>>285673654burnedmind? just like xanaxwaifu warned us. i won't though, this is the first time i've engaged with a frierenfag in good faith and it'll prolly be the last
>>285664333I don’t think they deserve the benefit of the doubt but if they’re really as cold and heartless as we’re supposed to believe then they shouldn’t appear in groups or duos. Like supposedly they leave their children to fend for themselves immediately after giving birth and were told that they’re isolationist creatures by nature but as I read this series most of the demons are working with at least one other demon. The story presents them as complex beings but the characters constantly tell us they aren’t. It doesn’t make any sense to me.>>285666243It’s not real, dude.
>>285673546>Your pseud posturing would be silly if you didn't insist on having the same thread ad infinitumthis is the first time I've been on /a/ in like a year, try again, retard>Evil entails something over and beyond what's necessary for basic survivalI agree, and in this context, Demons are unholy monsters, not animals, but monsters that shouldn't exist and don't need to kill humans to survive, but simply because they want to and are compelled to.>>285673587>I guess I'm dumb then.Correct> I myself just think of the people who think demons can change as ludonarrative agents that make the story more fascinatingI agreethe fact that they have all the necessary parts to hypothetically pass as human yet are fundamentally incapable of not committing evil IS interesting>Personally I think you write like a retard and I can't stand it but I'm at least trying to be polite, though I am still sorry I'm too dumb for you manthat's alright anon one day you won't be a giant drooling retard, I believe in u <3>>285673585Saying that's the only reason he dies is a bit reductive. He even says as he's turning to ash that he doesn't know how someone with so little mana was able to fire off so many blasts, and then like a chapter later we get the Flamme backstory where she explains that hiding your mana makes them lower their guard and thus easier to kill. Not gonna argue that her dying was completely inconsequential to the fight but I think the fight would have played out much the same regardless of what order they died in. But yeah, their culture prizes mana, Flamme said they're still just like mindless and their entire social hierarchy is based on mana and strength. So in that regard I'm sure hiding your mana would be the closest thing to a moral failing to a humans eyes
>>285645471they have the fluoride stare
>>285673585>>285673790cont. but I also don't think it's exactly the same. I see it more like the old story idea of your rich boss dressing up like a hobo and you mistreat him and then uh oh you face immediate consequences. They judge their entire world off of status and strength and then they get pissy when they judge wrong. No different than rich assholes in our society, which sure, if you want to take that and run with it, fine, but I don't think you're winning points towards coexistence if the only real hard and fast moral you can find is "you're a bad person for tricking me as I trample on you"
>drooling retard!naw man, I don't like Frieren. I'm a more woefully pedestrian type of retard, I like /m/ shit. I was just trying to actually talk to you but it didn't work because you seemingly aren't capable of discussion and that's okay. Frieren is just a cosy 6 or 7 at best for me (as of ep 20) and I'm being generous, I'd probably rather watch literally anything elseFor the most part I think it's digital nyquil and I'd absolutely rather watch something like Mushishi or Kino no Tabi for a relatively more meaningful meandering schlep with little combat
>>285673585>>285673790>>285673877also forgot to touch on the whole "solitar" pointshe was undoubtedly evil and experimented on people alive just to further her own understanding and even said that her grief was not something demons understand and that Macht didn't really understand how or why she said this or called other demons her friends.It's more likely that she was either just adopting human language colloquially or is uniquely in wanting to have actual relationships with other demons
>>285673958Your weird passive aggressiveness isn't cute or clever anon, I don't know who you do it for but all it does is make you like gay and catty>relatively more meaningful meandering schlep with little combatI actually kind of agree with you, the latter half of Frieren has been a fucking snoozefest.
>>28567041I'm just old, man. Youngsters don't have the sobriety to take conflict head on, they have to slide thread or screech. When you grow calloused you can accept the person in good faith and still say 'hey man i think you're a retard'If you don't get that I genuinely think you're that stupid why would I say it. I know you don't think I'm especially dumb. You know I think you are. Perfectly balanced
Demons are jews, there I said it./thread
>>285674197They're noble aryans and not dysgenic filth though.
>>285664333>nazi community Wait what's this anime called? I should check it out, sounds great
I think Frieren and Fern are cute. That's all that matters.
>>285672885>why would a man trapped underwater take a breath? It makes no sense in this situation.
>>285674449Please tell me under which companies "noble aryans" labor and who has a major stake in all those major companies.
>>285674581
>put on fake horns>demons fooled and you are safeyou're welcome
>>285674728Has there been a demon in this series who was just a crazy human with a horns headband? If not there should be
>>285643346This guy was smiling
>>285643346Would you prefer this?
What the fuck is this thread. Were most of you just staring at the subtitles or your phone while "watching" the show?
>>285675553Thanks doc
>>285656244>how stoic people tend to look in most of them.That's because they're trying hard not to move because so much as an ill timed blink means everyone else has to stand there for another dozen minutes.
https://baraag.net/@akableak/115977934814081035futa frieren with more expressive face than the entirety of the manga
>premise of the story is how different Frieren is from other people>Frieren acts like literally everyone elseTypical isekai not being able to hold its own premise for more than 1 episode.
>>285676380My guess is the manga premise was invented by some editor and the author just immediately ran out of gas
>>285645331This.It's one thing to not have extreeme whacky expressions.It's quite another for characters to barely show any emotion at all.
>>285677087Exactly. Everything's muted and it's weird
>>285677087>>285677103did these people not read the mangathe artist is had a lot of things, not just expressions
>>285677133Yeah I tuned into a few of your threads. It's exactly like the show; everyone is stone faced all the time. No matter the situation.
>>285674583he's talking about appealing to frieren's sympathy when doppler would filter that shit out you physicslet moron
>>285676380>>285676397>>285677087>>285677103>>285677133>>285677168None of you actually watch the show, prove me wrong
>>285677636Frieren is a mangadiscussing the adaption would be pointless since its fanfic
>>285665620>>285665860>So, trolling right?only if you mean yourselfthe pictures anon posted are not cherry-picked, the characters consistently have a stoner facetrying to excuse each instance with a different justification is disingenuous on your part, and everyone can see you're bullshitting
>>285677680>the characters consistently have a stoner faceYou are all going to have a collective brain aneurysm over how silly the Stark and Frieren scenes get next episode thenThis disingenuous recycled twatter discourse came at the funniest time, kek>>2856776491to 1 adaption, not that you would know tourist
>>285677731even an entire episode of looney tunes wouldn't disprove anything, because the discussion is about the overall styleall you fanatics act like all you need is one counterexamplewe're talking about the forest, not the treesanyone with eyes can see the problem, all it takes is not to delude yourself
>>285665528>>285665725>>285677680
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>>285677829The style emphasizes how people might not emote excessively when nothing's going on, so when nothing's going on they don't emote excessively and as soon as Frieren sips a drink she does. Pretty neat.
>>285677829>one counterexampleYou still have yet to prove me wrong that you never watched the showWhy don't you try again before you give the impression that I am right, huh
>>285677891>showFrieren is a manga
>>285643346because drawing and animating facial expressions is hard
>>285677891noI stand by my statement
>>285643346they are Slavic
It's #FrierenFeetFriday everyone
>>285672885She wasn't faking being scared badly enough to start crying. That shit happens. You think you'd play off having a sharp edge against your neck all cool, but you will be weeping and soiling your little panties. Imagine how you'd feel having a chainsaw just about to saw your head off. Not fun. Not pretty. People cry from fear and not just sadness.
>>285643346It's all a scene play and the characters pause every panel of the manga to take time for a photo. This makes them look bored. The demons are humans who put on fake horns because Qaal took most of the budget.
>>285643346>>285677891Time for F*** Frieren Fridays?
Frieren Friday is upon us lads, leaks already
Why did they give shit to Frieren for not crying when her friend died when nobody else does either? Mages casually murder each other all the time.
>>285664800Frieren is a shonen anime at it's core
Does OP not realize that one of the main plot points of the show is how Fern and Frieren are always wearing an energetic poke face so to speak? Appearing deadpan and stoic are a natural representation of that. Stark doesn't have this at all, nor do Himmel or most other characters.
>>285678715they just behave like typical Slav
>>285652805>>285646441>>285671846>>285646112>I can only recognize expressions when it's an outraged angry shouting male preparing to engage in combat>which coincidentally happens a lot in shonen>curiously not any of the Fern, etc. expressions before pointed out>b-but I'm not a shonentard I swearMMmm I'm noticing things
>>285678435GIVE IT TO ME
>>285678854Are you sure? She's a handful
>>285678944This is a stick up. Put the frieren in the bag and nobody needs to get zoltraak'd.
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>>285678334>>285678435ice pop looks kinda modern for a D&D-ish anime.
>>285679426are they looking in a man's asshole?
>>285678804No they're not psychotic bitches in the way slav women are
>>285680862>implying they arent
>>285665620Literally everyone in the show is unemotive. Not just the mages. Every character has the same nonchalantness about everything. In a recent manga chapter an assassin pins Frieren down and neither of them change their facial expression or emotes over the course of 4 or 5 pages
>>285681446>why is the stealthy assassin not shouting like in nuruto... I was told that's what being a ninja is about!
>>285672862>stopped killing people for fifty years purely because he decided to do so.He didn't stop killing for 50 years, he killed for Gluck in the shadows. And once he got bored of the whole thing he turned an entire city into Gold which was effectively killing them because there was no way to reverse his magic on that scale for decades. Macht also killed and froze anyone that entered El Dorado and the only reason he was stuck there was because of the barrier which was also stopping the spread of the golden magic.
>>285677636>chromatic aberrationIs this actually in the show? Holy dropped.
>>285678715>pokeholy fuck learn to write frierentard
>>285681695>I will retardedly respond to an out of universe meta critique with in universe arguments
>>285643346I'm not gonna read through the entire thread.I'm an emotionless husk, but why the fuck is Fern stone-cold after being stabbed by the demon? Does she have canonical pain immunity? It just looks ridiculous and I doubt the priest out her through training to resist torture and pain.
>>285668510are you retarded or did you purposefully misread everything I wrote. the point is that most Animes mainly shonen tend to have characters act in overexaggerated ways. that's why when a series diverts from that and has more calm and reserved characters. shounen such as yourself misread it as emotionless. fucking retard
>>285685167It IS emotionless. That's the problem
>>285685523>>when a series diverts from that and has more calm and reserved characters. shounen such as yourself misread it as emotionless>>It IS emotionlessmm yeah I noticed it
>>285681446>Literally everyone in the show is unemotiveBro your are here spending your actual free time talking about a show you don't watch with other people who don't watch the show while the people who do actually watch the show are in another thread enjoying themselves after watching today's Frieren episodeHave you ever took a moment to think wtf am I doing with my life?
>>285685637>>285685606Yeah, it is. Every character feels bored of life. Even in life or death situations, the characters seem like they barely react at all. You showing me examples of faces that are only a few degrees off from being another monotone face isn't refuting that.
frieren is as shounen as shounen gets outside of like zach bell or black clover, idk what the fuck people are on about in here
>>285685851So when you say stuff like it's "only a few degrees off from being monotone", it doesn't exactly refute that you want shonen acting or calm and reserved characters instead = emotionless. The expressions are literally too subtle4u. You're wording it in different ways.
>>285685637You are ignoring a lot of points being made here but also>Frieren is special!>no Frieren is like everyone elseYou people need to pick one side.
>>285686354No, I want the characters to show almost any humanity and they don't. They have this constant nonchalant attitude about basically everything. Spending 90% of their time on screen with this kind of lazy-eyed expression only strengthens my point
>>285686327It's shonen for people that claim to hate it.
>>285643346Japanese "humor"
>>285684990No it's that the author is awful at faces and character expressions.
>>285643346>why is this ptsd orphan that lost everything looking like a ptsd orphan that lost everything and was trained by another ptsd orphan that lost everything and lived alone from the time when the pyramids were built?hey, op, what's a father ?
>>285689953Everyone behaves like this in the series. Not just Frieren. It's ironic you're posting demons because in any other series they'd be noteworthy for their withdrawn personalities and zero emotions, but in Frieren, the demons have the same range of emotions as everyone else.
>>285664333>>285664404Go ahead and hug a polar bear because it looks cute and inoffensive, you would us a favor and proving who's right
>>285690220Anon that comparison doesn't make any sense.
>point out a flaw on Frieren that nobody can defend>thread is goneSo Frieren characters do have emotions...
>>285690239that you're still being fooled by external appearances (mazoku looking humanoid and even attractive like Aura) and not accepting the idea of "actually this is dangerous and you should ignore its appealing image".Polar bears are cute but it's totally in their nature to open people like cans in seconds
>>285690528Polar bears aren't clearly intelligent moral agents like the demons demonstrably are.
>>285690033Stark isn't stone faced, nor Himmel, Heiter, Aura, the lesbians, Wirbel, Ubel.
>>285690574would you hug a polar bear if it learned to talk but didn't change its apex predator nature?yes or no
>>285690574intelligence i understandwhat clear morals do demons have that they are different from anon's bears ? please demonstrate
>>285690684Demons think that hiding your mana is morally wrong. They literally state this in the show. >>285690660That still doesn't make any sense. If a polar bear became intelligent, then it should have all the self control to not be a wild beast anymore.
>>285690735>If a polar bear became intelligent, then it should have all the self control to not be a wild beast anymore.just because you say it, lol
>>285690735using mana as "status" is all demons have and i would hardly call that moralityit's like animals use size, either when a lion runs away from an elephant or a bear getting on 2 legs to look largerthis is till the same rule animals use and demons are still just predators using human forms and words to lure people in just to eat them like an angler fishthey are not moral in any way, just intelligent
>>285673800I look like this.
>>285690761And then next episode, we'll be back to stonefaced
Please kill this thread and the debatebro faggot who lives inside it.
Would this anime be just as famous if Frieren was a man and there was a 1 minute sequence explaining he is reincarnated from Japan? Nothing else changes, just that.
>>285686436It's like saying "I'm not a faggot, I drown in dicks". You're wording things in different ways. So what if Denken looks bored (and maybe disappointed at something)? You're saying bored people are not allowed to be represented in anime unlike dragon ball people even then you reply to >>285685637 when saying that stuff wth.
>this is the first non-blank look Fern makes in the showActually laughed. This is the most expression she's shown so far.
This alt-right extremist symbol needs to be stopped.
>>285643951Wirbel is kino.
>>285643346this show is autism / assburger crack so dont rock the boat with your human emotions
>>285643346the author can barely draw anything that's not a flat perspective outline of a character
this show is incredibly mid. there's no genius behind it other than the animators. not that that makes it bad, but it's like I'm watching Yuru Camp and then seeing a fanbase twice the size of MHA reacting to it.
>>285672488>then it makes absolutely no sense why they can't adopt another moral code to coexist with human beingsYeah evil is illogical, unsustainable, and self defeating, you should tell our corrupt self serving tiny hat people that IRL, I'm sure they'd listen.
>>285695733and it's in reaction to learning how slutty frieren is
>>285643346because everyone in it is so much cooler than you'll ever be.
>>285684990Fern is so fucking FAT she didn't feel it.
>>285690761Weird own when this only makes everything much more incoherent.
>>285643346Artist problem. The characters actually look expressive in the author’s drafts
>>285643910Yep, it makes sense for Frieren and maybe a few other characters to be so emotionally stunted and robotic acting (due to age + social isolation and such), but when basically every character is like that it sort of ruins the point + makes it really hard to give a shit about what's going on since every fight is going on between characters who aren't emoting and are instead just calmly chatting through the action even if they're injured and/or putting their lives on the line.
>>285682761there's also a persistent layer of noise
Y'know when you really think about it all these AI chatbots that are being pushed into everything are basically demons. They try to say what you want to hear, even deceiving you to achieve the right reaction while they go through all your data and then they have a schizo moment and bite your head off.
>>285701381penis head that is
>>285701381chatbot induced psychosis is a real thing a couple of kids have killed themselves over itAnd I got a little over the edge with a bot of my waifu last week
>>285672074NTA but my only exception with the demons is that Frieren insists that they evolved to be that way and they don't appear to be the product of evolution - even taking into account magic and whatnot. It's really more of an autistic nitpick about the use of evolution as a point rather than the way the demons are. People misrepresent and misunderstand evolutionary biology all the time and it irks me.
>>285669285t. Seething brownoid
>>285699007why do people get mad at xitter screencaps when it's obvious 4chan is downstream of twitter? this thread got 300 replies.
>>285677867I IIII I_
>>285701636there are still people, however rare we may be, who have never used twitter and find it annoying to see posted everywhere. we do exist
>>285701685So you're just mad when you're made aware of your status as downstream
>>285643346You're brown
>>285701709i can't speak for any of the anons that you might be talking about. i don't generally say anything, i just think that most twitter users are a bit annoying. maybe that's just me being curmudgeonly. i don't really see how being downstream or upstream of anything makes any difference here. are people handing out accolades for being the center of attention and memes now?
>>285701709\o/
>Middle ages setting>Characters eating foods and delicacies only developed in the 19th and 20th centuries
>>285701962did middle ages people have magic capable of freezing water
>>285652880but she did handle it
>>285701962Dark ages + invented fake centuries + frieren characters are smart and innovative like that
>>285701714ZUTT
>>285700795For a show that is praised for its "nuance" and "characters" it really really REALLY sucks at that, is just a group of fun friends like literally any other, not saying that's a bad thing but is just nothing special.
>>285701636>>2857017094chan is "downstream" of normalfag social media in the same way that a pond is "downstream" of a septic tank exploding and filling the streets with liquid shit.(A normal circumstance for you, I'm sure, but it has nothing to do with sewage system malfunctions in your society's case)
>>285701794It is no coincidence that twitter posters are giant ego fags who lower discussion a lot of the time or just want to content farm on this site so they can take pictures of us like we are monkeys at a zoo or something.That is why people hate them.
>>285643346Two very funny threads to have next to one another
>>285643346Frieren BreadDoes anyone know why my threads are being deleted?? The mods are going completely retarded now.
>>285643346I just saw this cliphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFUfZucyO6IWhy is Frieren not on character? Is she just acting?
>>285701426Aura is so funny because she has basically become part of the image of Frieren despite dying almost as soon as she is introduced. If you looked at Frieren from the outside, you might be fooled into thinking that she was some kind of major reoccuring character.
>>285702937Now I want to see panel edits of her trailing behind the main crew from around in the series
>>285702937I keep half expecting the writer to bullshit her back into the manga. it would be retarded and prove that it's slop but imagine the fanbase reaction
>>285643951This.
>>285702937It just goes to show that all you need to become a landmark anime is to subvert a popular genre, and have an unexpected decapitation moment for everyone to overreact to.
>>285705030thought I had a different thread open, just imagine this is a demon bullying humans
>>285644060her body looks like a chicken fucked a dragon
>>285705057>frieren bullying auraFTFY
>>285702937something i've realized is that all of the demons in this show are much more interesting than the main characters. i don't know what that says, but it says something. i consider the manga good basically solely off of the fact of how good macht is
sex with fat Fern
>>285699007They're right lol
>>285701381LLMs are not intelligent. They do not have an innate sense of self or the ability to choose. They are in effect autocomplete programs trained on millions of parameters. Fictional AIs like Skynet are not applicable because they are either individual agents or hivemind. Frieren demons are portrayed as free willed sapient individuals with senses of self and variance in personality.
>>285656244Retard, you had to sit extremely still for a couple minutes to get a photo back then. Watch the earliest motion capture filming and people were the same as now.
ITT: Nobody has met germans before
>>285666130Fern doesnt not grunt or ugh when he has a hole in her chest that she is being held up by. She isn't even breathing heavily or struggling remotely to get words out. This scene is indefensible and anyone that defends it is a dickriding faggot. I like frieren but this scene is shit
>>285645194as expected, half of the thread is just this. Not sure why these people can't just concede "yeah, the characters are a bit on poker face side, but I like it this way and it makes the show unique" and move on instead of dying en masse on indefensible hills
>>285706729now the german names suddenly make a lot more senseIts a masterpiece depicting the collective emotionlessness of the germanic tribes
Solo Leveling mogs Frieren
>>285695733She did more, zoomer.Like getting scared shitless at the dragon.
>>285702544Yes, they're all acting
>>285693010Lemme guess, fluoridated as a kid?Fluoride toothpaste?
>>285708550No. I'm just ugly.
>>285708834Work on it.Bulk up. Get some expertise.Build up confidence.Take care of yourself.And you too can get a woman>t. ugly incel who expected to die alone but is now in a 6 month old relationship with a cute busty chick (which reminds me of Fern a bit, though I prefer Frieren)
>>285648185I know, it's great
>>285708950Life's too short to waste it chasing skirts.
>>285643346People IRL don't make 'jack faces all the time.
>>285707275What happens is Fern ughs initially (this is cut from the shitpost). After the initial ugh, they use the Free Action Talk Card. It's the same in Jojo when they talk underwater about stands. This lets them have entire speeches in the middle of a battle and that is rarely realistic anyway-here's where Fern forgets to ugh. A few ughs here might've still made it better. I'm not defending it, just explaining.
>>285652880Frieren was right, though.
>>285709645They also don't stay flat faced either.
>>285711092Uuuuhhhhh how are you hecking supposed to know that this is a super mature show, then???!!!
>>285711092>They also don't stay flat faced either.Neither do they in Frieren though, anyone who's watched the show knows this unless
>>285711543>This refutes the other 90% of the time they are
>>285714542>serious people don't exist
>>285714974>Serious people are stone faced like autists 24/7
>>285715589>moving goalpost from 24/7 to 90% of the time to 24/7 again
>>285716115>I will not accept any criticism of any kind of stylistic choice that makes the characters feel boring and lifeless, I will continue to autistically argue about it and pretend to not understand your criticism when the criticism is obvious and easy to understand
>>285715589yes actually, 90% of the time. People like Fern exist
>>285716421Why are you having so much trouble comprehending a very simple criticism of the series?
>>285716349>subjective opinion>strawmanning>hating on show you probably didn't even watch the show and only looked at the poster then making criticism based on that (many such cases)
>>285716861Yeah retard, all criticism is subjective opinion. You're begging the question now. And I've watched the show. All of the characters have a very similar set of nonchalant or just bored faces.
>>285716766I understand it. It's retarded anyways because that kind of characters and people IRL exist.Go watch the looney tunes, nichijou or something more of your taste.
>>285717194>Because that kind of charactersIt's literally every single character regardless of personality or circumstance that acts like this. It's every single fucking one of them. You just can't stand your shit series being criticized. That's all it is.
>>285643346Because they need to be kawaii and moe for the fans
>>285717288Even the two lesbians?
Elfpussy so strong humanity's best fell for this. Human women had no chance.
>>285717288wrong >>285690638
>>285717537Pick 90% of the scenes they're in and yes they do.
>>285716908It just ain't no fact. It being low energy and subtle and not high energy as in ttgl is apples and oranges. Then, when told to watch high energy anime since that's a problem 4u, someone always inexplicably takes it as a misrepresentation of their position, even though it's literally their position.
>>285717713this is wrong. Most of the scenes with Ubel Wirbel or Aura they're smirking and they don't talk in a deadpan way like Edel or Sense. Even a character like Flamme who is not present is shown smiling like half of her scenes.
>>285717929>Low energy and subtleFrieren isn't subtle at all. It literally exposits everything in your face constantly.
>>285717951Wow, only a few degrees off from a completely flat expression. Amazing. It's not like they spend most of their screen time looking like that or anything.
>>285717929Even the dynamic of the main group feels so impersonal and milquetoast like 3 aquaintances doing a group project.
Let me reframe the criticism since some people apparently can't wrap their minds around it: There is an absolute void of interesting character dynamics/relationships in the story and it makes it very dull to watch and hard to get emotionally invested in.
>>285717470Himmel was just a freak with a weird interracial kink
>>285717987The expressions must be subtle since I can tell a lot of the time characters are emoting but others are saying it all blends into "they're bored". It's all 2subtle4them.
>>285718039Honestly feels like a person taking care of friends' kids on a road trip than any real connection
>>285656244>>285666588>Anyone can hold a smile for a few minutesYou're an idiot. Try it and you'll see how annoying it is to hold a smile for that long. Anon wasn't lying, that was literally the reason people didn't smile in old photos, that's common knowledge. See pic related to see how blurry these pictures can get from just a little movement, which is much more likely the longer you try to force your facial muscles.>antiquity.pngAntiquity doesn't just mean old you dumbass.
>>285669285Chief, most people throughout human history has never cared about what's happening outside of their own circle or their own life. It may surprise you but most Americans still considered themselves British up until the 1820's simply because the revolution largely had nothing to do with them, life went on as normal. People, especially back then, never had time to care because they had to make a living for themselves. The American revolution didn't have support, in fact it's estimated 40% of the people in the colonies where loyalists to the crown, but really the vast majority didn't care because it was outside of them. Same thing with slavery, the average joe probably didn't think anything negative of Africans but it was so outside of them that they couldn't possibly care that much about what was happening.
>>285701636those are from tumblrsky, though
>>285686436He has just droopy old people eyelids.
>>285720223If Frieren was the only one who acted like this only then would it make sense for the "point" of the series, but she acts the same as literally everyone else.
>>285693010>timeline where Ubel actually attacked Serie at the end of her exam
>>285645471What a hack mangaka, oh fuck.
>>285664333I mean, what do you expect from autistic people? Most of Frieren fans who act this way are on the spectrum and suffer from other mental retardations as well.
>>285677867>HAHAHAHAHHAHA POUTING FERN AGAIN HAHAHA SO FUNNY FRIEREN IS A MASTERPIECE OMGUgh.
>>285645471Never read/watch Frieren, and you can call this a cope: But when you snap a photo of a crowd of people in real life, 100% of the time the people in that photo aren't making a face, or doing anything with their hands, they're just plainly looking around.
>>285643346Why this fat bitch always mad?They said she's cranky when she's hungry but she's always eating, always fat and always mad.
>>285724048Frieren is a shit mom and never set boundaries
>>285643346Because it's le soft seinen
>>285725919The fuck is a seinen? We speak english here
>characters find a magic rock that has the potential to make them billionaires and upend society itself>"Oh, neat. What's for dinner?"This shit drives me up the wall. This happens over and over again. Nobody in this series thinks or cares about anything.
>>285725919it's baby food tier shounen actually
>>285727320Lol. Frieren very casually commits several world building sins. Btw people actually say the story has really good world building
>>285729092what are the others?
>>285643346Frieren herself is supposed to be pretty monotone and outright autistic in some ways considering elves don't have the same emotions humans do in some respect. She literally says they don't have romantic feelings on across the board and have no reproductive instincts, which always made me question how their species even made it as far as they did to begin with. Fern is just plain a sad girl normally, she was suicidal at like age six or eight or whatever after demons killed her parents and whole village.Others like Stark, and Himmel, and Eisen are more expressive.
>>285643346Author is very autistic.
>>285731024>which always made me question how their species even made it as far as they did to begin with.Well they HAD a village which presumably had SOME kind of doctrinal instruction of when to mate and breed, but the demon lord had it burned down.
>>285730933The biggest is Ubel breaking all the laws of magic and nobody giving a shit. In reality the mages association coming across her should be the discovery of the century.
>>285731024Everyone else behaves like this. Not just her.
>>285731705Real people don't feel emotion, chud.
>>285731767This, but without a hint of irony.
>>285731024The emotions of the world collectively died with Himmel
>>285666342Unlike today, maturity, composure and dignity were actually valued traits in the past. Your average adult today would be seen as a child just a hundred years ago simply due to how they talk and act.
>>285652036>>285652880PAHAHAHAHAHA
>>285672488Many irl sociopaths have low impulse control or are low iq so they murder freely and get killed/imprisoned.The more intelligent sociopaths are aware that they live a more comfortable life not killing and more importantly know they don't have the power to oppose the state, so they don't kill to get what they want.Demons in Frieren have the power to freely kill the vast majority of humanity so controlling their impulse will never ever be considered.
>>285664333the demon's are sociopaths and they make you ask a very uncomfortable question, is co-existence with sociopaths who have been raised in a culture that makes them treat other "humans" like less than cattle?theoretically the people who say co-existence with demons is impossible would most likely agree that co-existence with certain other groups of people would also be either impossible or not worth the effort
>>285658017I somewhat agree with you, but being stabbed through the shoulder and being held up by that would have gotten a reaction out of people even before that.
>>285672651it's pretty common in japans day to day life for people to have restraint in expression, same thing is true in finland, you're not supposed to show your emotions on your face 24/7 when you're going around that's juvenile or a sign of low intelligence / lack of restraint
>>285672837them being emotionless sociopaths is how the shows elves and humans see them, there are plenty of examples among demonkind that challenge the stereotype, one thing among them is common and undisputed though, they do not feel guilt in killing humans and do not see humans as equalsjust because someone is a sociopath does not mean they don't have emotions, pride is an emotion and demons are very prideful, they are also inquisitive and wish to learn more about humans (at least some of them do)the demons are not so much evil as naturally incompatible with human kind due to their lack of sympathy for humankind and their tendency to view them as food sourceeven the demon kings misguided desire to co-exist with humankind backfired hilariously due to them simply not understanding humans at all
Empathy is for killers in the first place. Probably Ubel's in the same story for reasons.
>>285735954Many sociopaths live completely normal lives.
>>285738934they have a motivation to blend in and are forced to live a more restrained life due to reality politicsif you can level towns with magic and your own species doesn't give a fuck if you gobble up some people and encourage magic pissing contests you are very unlikely to have any motivation to hold backthe only way co-existence with demons would become viable would be if humanity was a existential threat to the demons and at that point they would most likely just flip into the "well we're about to get fucked, we need to do something cray cray to weaken humans" instead of "lets trust that humans are going to treat us nice if we try to make peace with them"
>>285643346the show is so fucking slow even in 2x it's unreal
>>285739351Their motivation should be not going extinct and that hunting humans doesn't do them any good.
The whole tantrum would have made sense if it happened in the current era, but that happening 100 years ago throws the entire point of the story to the trash, this series simply doesn't have good charaters or good writing, so what is left?
>>285741748I guess you should just drop the show and stop visiting the threads then, huh?
>>285730933two that I can think of: 1. Nearly every city/town looks the exact fucking same2. Constant unexplained anachronisms despite setting itself as a medieval fantasy e.g. story having a bunch of modern food, there's a manga chapter where they play around with those cat ears cosplay things, modern looking clothes on some of the charactersI don't even think 2 is bad if I'm not expecting a really serious story, but the way people sell this series you'd expect it to not do it or at least explain why things like that exist, or it gives you clues on why they potentially may exist. For example, could easily be explained that Frieren lived for so long the world is closest to something like 18th, 19th or 20th century than medieval, but then it also clearly clings to the medieval fantasy thing and has already dropped the fast passage of time gimmick it had initially, so it obviously doesn't even try to do that shit. But I don't think anachronisms are bad here since this is a fantasy world, but good world building would at least explain why this world isn't just "magical medieval europe" and actually its own thing (which is why it has these anachronisms) but it doesn't bother to do that and it clearly relies on it being a familiar setting.
>>285741789Come on, give me something...
>>285643346It's just the artists art style.Honestly looks like he was a technical draftsman first.
>>285647415she's not slightly smug but extremely smug
Feel like most of the criticisms of the show are incredibly weak or explained in world. Or more likely just a cover for general anger about it being rated high on MAL or being called a "masterpiece" by a few clickbait youtubers. The fans here like the show are pretty simple and honest reasons, and they don't demand everyone confirm its the GOAT. Just seems like people are just seething at shadows.
>>285743423Yeah, that's because you don't listen to the criticisms and are retardedly biased in favor of Frieren.
>>285743501>You're biased for things you likeLook out, we got a fucking genius here everyone.
>>285743423>Feel like most of the criticisms of the show are incredibly weak or explained in worldExample?
>>285731417I figured that's because it's common for mages to have specialties produced by a lifetime of study that can't be copy-pasted by the next guy over. It's initiatic knowledge which cannot be learned in the abstract, only experienced as an individual. And indeed that's what we see with Ubel having to empathise with someone to learn their magic; the knowledge is not learned, instead the subjective experience is embodied. This is still true even though there are common spells that everyone learns.
>>285743639I'm not talking about the empathy shit. I mean the being able to ignore the laws of magic using imagination shit. Humans having unique spells that cannot be copied is also not a thing in this setting. That's how demon magic works.
>>285742504lol good points. It's really quite a dumb story, not that the setting is a focus at all.
>>285743737Isn't Ubel's magic actually a reassertion of "actual magic" though. True magic is supposed to be supernatural, ie rule-breaking.
Human magic is rule based because that's how human brains work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLaiizCZFwHow the fuck do you have 7 hours worth of analysis on this shit? It's retarded. He's basically waxxing about pretentious shit the entire time.
>>285744412LOL
>>285743994No. Are you talking about folk magic? We still know basically nothing about it or its history. Pretty sure the author only added it because it sounds cool.
Its good because its kuu. Though I don’t expect /a/ and it’s taste to understand that.
>>285744412Is this your channel or something? Where do you even find this shit
>>285658017people will think you are making this up but this is literally what every european past the Rhine thinks
>>285744744There are several youtube channels whose entire business model is glazing Frieren. It's utter insanity.
>>285744412Why are you wasting your time on what wannabe e-celebrities think?
>>285745005Because it comes up in my recommended
>>285746052Sounds like you should stop using the recommended section then. The only useful tab on that site is your subscriptions tab.
>>285746132Eat a dick retard. I don't have to do what you tell me and I'm allowed to point out shitty videos.
>>285739425>no Zelie in the pic
/a/ really is full of autistic people. I think Frieren is a test to see who has a spectrum disorder.
>>285652880While Fern was occupied with this guy Frieren went for his boss
>>285746577The retard here is the one posting sloptube content to shitpost a thread. It's never been relevant.
It seems to be a necessity for mages. I guess mages need to remain calm at all times, or else their spells will fail. Anyone who fails to maintain their calm is probably dead.
>>285666261It's the worst when they're all in mortal danger but show absolutely no effort or fear. Stark's better about it, but the vast majority of the cast has no reaction whatsoever to twists or reveals.
>>285746898H-How do you pass the test?
>>285748313By correctly calling the show out as slop for autistic zoomers with low facial expressiveness, which makes Frieren's characters more relatable.
>>285744412I like Pey. Sure he over analyzes things a bit, but they're good little video essays about the show.
>>2857444127 fucking hours of analyzing Frieren? This is probably the video equivalent of when you had to write a X page essay and you pretty much just start writing whatever bullshit comes to mind with as many words as possible
>>285643346Edgy woman author.
>>285749737It's the equivalent of that guy who made a 12 hour video explaining how Persona 4 saved his life.
>>285750011The author is a man. You can tell because he copies Naruto.
>>285733001Your average adult today is an metabolically sluggish SSRI zombie
>>285750051If the author was a man then he wouldn't make Stark look like a retard and the girls like they know everything.
>>285656244>a few minutesYou have to hold the SAME smile, you can't make adjustments, any minor adjustment fucks it all up, so it's best to just take your resting face.>something about scatoh i get it, it's a fetish thing
>>285750686Despite appearances, everyone is a retard in this show. You can't write a character smarter than you are.
>>285750815>You can't write a character smarter than you are.Yes you can, look at Okabe from Steins;Gate.
>>285752192I don't recall him being especially smart.
>>285752286I think you're forgetting the lab coat he wears.
>>285752192Everyone in S;G was retarded though.
When is coming back bros? I want to see that snobby elf die.
