The strongest
>>285663867>ultimate version of saber>still a wobbly punches victimIt's pure poetry
>>285663867I LOVE SABER
>>285663867>The strongest
>>285663984SABER SABER SABER
2 days to Kinodes
Gil humiliation soon...
>>285663867Ahem
Why is the OP pic of SF threads a character who isn't in the show?
>>285666498He couldn't even beat saber's low IQ clone.
>>285666543She appears actually lol
she solos everyone
>>285666543She already appeared in the anime and will do so again. You think you can have anything Fate without Artoria in it? Think again
>>285666918Her or OG Artoria... I'm really torn on who to Grand in two years.
>>285666798That was his adoptive son though. Saber's clone even notes by the 2nd transformation they'd be evenly matched and she wanted to avoid fighting him on the 3rd transformation.You could have brought up Atalanta's A-ranked arrow that shot him flying and made Gordes shit his pants and burn a CS on the spot instead.
THE STRONGEST (for real this time)
>>285666498mogged by his nordic counterpart
>>285667075>t.
>>285667021>miniskirt, tights, high heelsawful, just awful
>>285666918Shut up Takeuchi.
>>285667021>burger king crown
the king... is too perfect
>>285667075Sigurd's a wiser opponent with slightly better stats, but Siegfried is just plain better in battle due to Armor of Fafnir being bullshit strong.
>>285667021Takeuchi didn't even try with the shoes straight up just scribbled something and call it a day
>>285667075Armour of Fanfir is cooler then Crystallized Wisdom and Balmung is way better looking then Gram so German incest baby > Nordic incest baby.
>>285667183Yes she is, the true king. Not that thing.
>>285667021Honestly Castoria is genuinely the only good Saberclone. Everyone else just sucks be it in terms of design, story or personality.
>>285666498>>285667075I don't get it, why did they make Sigurd and Siegfried two separate characters? Weren't they the same?
>>285667255>Armour of Fanfir is cooler then Crystallized WisdomFair enough>Balmung is way better looking then GramNow you're tripping bro
>>285667295Because Higashide wrote Siegfried but Sakurai wrote Brynhildr in completely different stories and contexts. There was no way to line the two up. It's either Sigurthr and Brynhildr or Siegfried and Brunnhilde. Crossing those naming conventions is silly.Thus, make them separate. Don't act like mythological consistency is obligated when we had a nameless hobo pretending to be Sasaki Kojirou already.
>>285667295There's like 3 versions of Vlad Tepes, and 2 versions of Jack.
>new ending at ep 5Lol the production is incredible
>>285667295One’s based on the norse saga and one’s based on the german poem
>>285667428The Jacks/Vlads have much better justifications for existing than Sigurd/Siegfried just>ehhh they are just different people don't think too hard
>saberfags take over FSF threads since yesterday>Threads go to shit and everyone stops posting Curious
he solos everyone
>>285667512He's a jobber like Arc
>>285667486Surely it's not because you have constant generals of a weekly broadcast with the last episode being nearly a week ago. Besides, saber is all that matters. Saber is everything, everything is saber.
>>285667295They are fundamentally the same character but Nibelungenlied sends the story in a path, Volsunga Saga sends in another.Volsunga is somewhat older but Nibelungenlied has the oldest written record since the stories were passed as songs and the like back then. Causing a divergence.Volsunga has direct ties with Norse Mythology, Nibelungenlied deals more with people, court and the like. Sigurd's adventures are delved in more, Siegfried's adventures are skimmed over before getting to him meeting Kriemhild.Sigurd's love is for Brynhild but they are messed up by Gundrum, Siegfried's love is for Gundrum's counterpart, Kriemhild, and while Brynhild's counterpart, Brunhilde, contributes to Siegfried's death.Furthermore, the second part of Nibelungenlied follows Kriemhild's quest for revenge.It's a source of confusion because:>there are multiple variations of the tale that mix them up more>there are extra songs exploring them that diverge a bit (which also tie up with Beowulf)>the infamous Ring of Nibelungen Opera by Wagner fuses up elements of both talesThey COULD have made them a single character, they decided to make them separate and justified since Ragnarok wiped out Scandinavia's world texture it screwed up timespace there so Norse Mythology is BC and AD at once.
>>285667512we do not accept counterfeit goods here
>>285667544>Calling anyone a jobber in a Saber and Gilgamesh thread, the kings of jobbinglmao
>>285667461Why? Like it's a packed episode but nothing happens that warrants a new ending
>>285667605Adding Bazdilot, Alcides, and Sigma to the roll would make sense.
My favorite faction is the police
>>285667584Sounds like a mess, but I guess I'll accept this explanation. From my understanding (I may be wrong, I read this myth long ago), Siegfried was unfaithful with Brunhilde and she arranged his death, so later Kriemhild avenged his death in a very brutal way, so I was confused when Sigurd arrived to the picture.That being said, if they allowed those two to be separate characters because they come from different sources, doesn't that opens a possibility to create different servants from the same mythical character? Since mythological sources can be messy and contradict each other and those things.
>>285667837Yes and that concept is explored here and there but it's a case by case basis. Some heroes get separated, some are fused like Vlad is forced to be Dracula via Innocent Monster, some just say ''no X didn't happen'' and so on. Fuuma Kotarou deduces either one of Sigurd or Siegfried derived into the other, or that they both are derived from the same original source (they are actually both real life theories for the difference).Higashide also explored that with Karl the Great, as a reverse of Vlad and Dracula, in his case History is the prevalent one and he could expel the ''fantasy'' from him as Charlemagne, while Karl stayed as a pure historical side. He explains by his time there were hippogryphs nor magical swords, those things didn't happen. They have the same NPs, but only Charlemagne gets to use the sword at full power because it needs fantasy, while only Karl gets to use the castle at full power because it needs the historical thing.His paladins all seem to have become mixed to different extents; Astolfo doesn't see difference between them, indicating fantasy and history are balanced on him, Roland notices Charlemagne is somewhat different from his king, indicating he is a bit more history, and Bradamante's description of her king matches Charlemagne more than Karl, indicating she is more fantasy than history.
>>285667584They're fundamentally entirely different characters with only two or three things in common>Both fought a dragon with the same name >Both had a magic sword >No that's pretty much it
>>285667021>has never won a battle
Chinese old man is cool
>>285667837Both versions go something like>Sieg courted Brun for Kriem’s brother>Brun gave Sieg a ring and he gave it to Kriem>Brun and Kriem had a catfight and Kriem showed off the ring>Brun realized the bullshit and Sieg got killed to stop the drama
we love Seiba here
>>285668300
Catholic GF or Muslim GF?
>>285667295>>285667394FGO could introduce a purely Roman Hercules who goes full peplum, Italian movies about gladiators
>>285668474Proper Heracles is basically off limits in fate no matter the writer or context. The closest it ever gets is actually FSF, and only for like 5 minutes. He's too strong, too perfect, too obvious and boring to write.
What's your guess for the Einzbern Dual Saber in the Third?Mine's Theodoric the Great/Dietrich von Bern split like Karl and Charlie
Imagine the HGW
>>285668541I suppose Italian strongman Hercules would be discount Proper Heracles
>>285668560Beowulf, a younger warrior with Hrunting and the older king with Naegling, both are secretly capable of bringing out the nameless Giant's Sword.
>>285663867Yowai na.
>>285668541>too perfectnah, Herc's bad temper alone makes him less than perfect
>>285664784
>>285667605it will add the true servants/mastersthe nuns at the end will hold "TRUE" signishtar is in between gilgamesh and enkidu btw it's hilarious
>>285667461Place your bets:>Bazdilot smiling y/n>Spooky even present y/n>Alcides with Hyppo y/n>Watcher crowding around Sigma y/n>Sigma getting between Zealot and Jester y/n
>>285667820This but unironically.Reminder Zelretch can summon copies of himself from parallel worlds while he sits outside the universe as an observer in his chair.He can literally summon gem golem bodies of himself from ALL points in time ALWAYS. There is no escape and everyone dies under a pile of bodies.
>>285669065N he literally cannot change expressionsY (just the mask peering over Faldeus's shoulder)N he's with BazN just the captainI'm gonna say N because otherwise Jester would just have nobody to be with and he doesn't bond with Zealot significantly until volume 6
>>285667820>>285669099Can't beat the spider. You know the rules.
>>285669164>Ultraman sex bombWhat did ORT meant by this?
>>285669065You forgot>Nuns now on their fetish gear while holding the TRUE sign y/n
>>285669065How dare they say Ishtar, the cutest Law/Good character, is a bitch?
>>285669164That shit is only a thing in the context of the Lost Belt. With only Kuku being strong enough.Since, you know, Camazotz literally beat ORT. And yes, Nasu considers that a defeat for ORT.
>>285669252>Lawful GoodI knew I did the right thing rooting for her.
>>285668930How would Shou be as a servant?>actually really strong, stronger than actual swordsmen since he's a monk in reality>spent basically all his time grinding skills across time as a kid>can apparently amp a stick with chi so hard it can clash with excalibur>has a scrolls worth of half-god made swords and a few demonic blades too to mix it up that do a ton of different things between body control to charming, trapping you in deep space and whatever else
>>285669065Saber and his cute >of age< master are so superior they march to the beat of their own drum and decided to go off and be a romcom all while other people are fighting and dying over a dubious wish-granting grail.
>>285669360does she actually wear garters? just like hippo-chan. holy fuark the character artist is my hero
ayaka is a femcel
>>285669374He's not really durable, but Shou's fast and skilled. If he gets the Index as a NP then he probably has bonkers offensive NPs since some of the swords in the Index defeated immortal demon gods (like truly immortal, they're unkillable). The Shinkai Makai are literally otherworldy swords that defy reality and not even the immortal enlightened demigod understands how they fully work despite creating them, and even those swords can't destroy the demon gods permanently. Basically Shou would probably be a fast glass cannon.
>>285669691I'm reminded that he could technically use the brush to trap enemies in the index if he wanted to, he just needs to hold them still first (maybe if he gets to use night of moonlight mourning)dunno who would work as his master tho (definitely not a world travelling duck trying to steal the grail)
>>285669448This is literally that one Barbie and Ken meme
>>285669898EX-rank sideboob
Used to enjoy FSF threads before FSNfags took over
>>285670730TsukihimeCHADS rise up
Sigma will save these threads
>>285669898She's quite possibly the weakest or most useless servant in the warEveryone else is "Literally a biblical plague that has no physical form" or "The embodiment of serial killers everywhere that lacks a concrete form and can become anything"And she's "Ehh, a moderately strong greek. Who Gilgamesh tells her that she stands no chance against actually strong characters and she's like "i know...", her most famous legend is dying instantly the second Heracles got upset"
>>285670780Yeah, even Zealot is like a composite of the old men of the mountain. Which is quite versatile and impressive in it's own right.
>>285670780She's an somewhat useless servant backed by all of the el melloi class (pride+) no?
>>285670780which makes you wanna root for her, doofus
>>285666543She does unironically.There is even a section where Richard watches Fate Zero.
>>285668541>Proper Heracles finally appears>he jobs on his first appearance
Even without the extra mana, Hippo would be in the upper tiers of nearly any other HGW
Quetzalcoatl low diffs the Fake HGW at the cost of everyone's lives
>>285671453Even among Greeks Hippolyta is probably mid tier. People constantly "re-interpreting her" as top tier because they don't like that the girl they want to fuck is actually not that great, are retarded. She has two legends, getting her ass kicked by Heracles in one hit, and losing badly to Thesues.
>>285671572Yeah, but even as a Rider, she's as good with a bow as an Archer and as good with a speae as a LancerThat's pretty good
>>285671668Lu Bu alone has the power of almost every class no matter what class he's summoned in because of his transforming weaponI think I'd summon someone actually strong like Heracles or Thesues rather than someone "pretty good, y'know maybe it would be useful".
>>285668541Would sane Herk in SF be buddy buddy with Hippo?
>>285671668Also, the legends thing is a retarded complaint when you see all the shit they've given Medusa who has even less
>>285670841Her personality makes her less useful than Hippo.
>>285671863She gets a bonus for being one of, if not THE most famous monsters.
>>285671911Even in greek mythology, the mother of all monsters is Echidna and the father of all monsters is Typhon, no matter what Nasu tries to claim.In Typhon event in FGO they basically say all greek monsters are small pieces of typhon that broke off and became sentient.
>>285671985Medusa is still one of the most famous greek monsters ever
>>285672002And Hippolyta is the most famous AmazonWonder Woman doesn't count
>>285671859Probably still some conflict, considering I don't think either of them really knows why from one perspective, the amazons seemed to have lead herc into a honey trap, while from the other, hippo has no idea why her amazons acted that way.If they had a moment to talk it out? Almost certainly.'Hey, my master's an asshole, can I borrow some of yours?'
>>285671737Anon, you are not summoning anything strong assuming average magic circuits. Not without cheats like Chaldea generators. Mana efficiency over everything.
>>285672249(cont)Plus, it costs money to buy catalysts.
>when novels were out>no one cares about Hippo since she is among the weakest servants>anime out>everyone likes herLolThe power of fanservice
>>285672383>since she is among the weakest servantsWho gives a fuck about that though?
>>285672408Powerscalers who only like characters for strength care
I hope we get to see Jason next episode! I love their friendship.
>>285672408Jetscholars.
>>285672494If only he loves his wife.
>>285672579>scholarGo back.
>>285672586From what I've heard, Jason did kind of love Medea but he got turned off when she started killing her own family, and especially her brother without remorse. And to be honest, anyone would.
>>285672638That was his fault, though
>>285672586Yeah, this is why the whitewashing of Jason and all the attempts at making him look like a hero in FGO felt cringe.
>>285672638Blame the god who turn her into that in order to help his ass
>>285672028I dunno man, everyone on earth knows what medusa is, but I guarantee if you ask the average person who hippolyta is you'd be met with a blank stare
>>285672638As usual, it's the gods' fault. Maybe Alcides has a point?
>>285671453How?>OG FSNHerc would brutalize herPegasus is obviously stronger than her literallywho horse>FZDiarmuid would negate her npJet would steal her gridle then smash her head>ApocAchilles stabs her and wonders if Penth has a redhead sisterThe only war that she might be in the upper tier is Redline, and even so Nobu would shoot her to death since she gets stronger the older and more divine her opponent isOreo also gets fame buff so she could kill her too
why do people call tsukihime turkeyhandle if it sounds nothing like that?
>>285672836You do realize that Diarmuid and Medusa aside, you named some of the strongest Servants in their respective Wars, right?
>>285668541As opposed to Irish herc Cu, Artoria, Gawain, Odysseus, Orion, mage Jesus Solomon, the countless literal gods we got in FGO? A character's original myth being "too perfect and boring" hasn't stopped anyone before.
>>285672667Jason only gets a bad rap because Caster is waifu
>>285672964>everyone thought Caster was the weakest class before FGO>Nasu proves them wrong by having Moneybills win so hard it looks like child's play to him>that not even full power Gil could win that easily
>>285666498Saint Pelinal Whitestrake is too based to be summoned
I think Gil should have sex with Seiba
>>285673078In your dreams Gil.
More like Nasu doesn’t give a shit about Greek stuff last time he wrote it he spent time wanking a Samurai in Olympus.
>>285673104Can't Enkidu shapeshift to take her form
>>285672964FGO is 'balanced' by making enemies stupidly overpowered. Your chapter 0 disposable villain, is already rayshifting, opening portals with some minor reality warping powers and summoning without the mana discount from the HGW grail because he is a double demon pillar + mage instead of just an enemy master in HGW conditions. And it only escalates to stupid levels from there. The powercreep is so bad they need to do a reset on the universe. If they let you do what happens in FGO in the HGW you would also need a full world reset.
>>285673078Silence, you sub bitch.
>>285673078kinda weird when you realize that there are 2 occasions where Shirou and Gil fight each other over a girl i.e Saber and Hakunon (I know it's nameless, but it counts).
>>285673366He's into that
>>285673377Yes, that was the joke.
>Shirou is the youngest and the oldest looking of the children of Team Zero Saber
>>285671859>Bro don't you want a servant that will betray you to fuck his Ex girlfriend again during the war and won't fight her due to how lawful nature because he knows her and loves her and then they have babies together>And then the entire war just turns into them fucking each other and ignoring the war because OMG squeeee shipping OMGNot really
>>285673415>youngest childYou're forgetting someone, but that's for the best.
>ishtar>Shitting americans>Ereshkigal>Planting flowers and having baths with TsuchinokosOne sister is clearly better
>>285673483I want this exact post to happen.
>>285672586He was fine with her but he prioritized his ambition over her, he only left her due to his ambition because he could only be king if he could marry the princess. Jason's entire journey was to become king only for them to pull the rug out from under him at the end and still said he couldn't be king unless he did it through marriage basically. The moral wasn't that he didn't love her, it's that he loved his dream more than her. Which is why she touched the kingdom and killed his children in revenge for leaving her.
>>285673493Chronologically, Mordred is older
>>285672660Nah, he didn't ask Aphrodite to mind control media to do that shit. He asked for blessings but the gods kinda did it in a crazy way.
>you summon this nigga in a regular grail warHow would he fare?
>>285664784Didn't they add the effects on his fists since people were gonna make fun of Saber?
>>285673078Saber's VA....
>>285673603We would know if they hadn't replaced him with Chiron
>>285668300>seibah with earrings and akiha eyelashesokay that's actually cute
>>285673698You know this reminded me of 2 characters that Gil seiyuu and Saber seiyuu voiced, who are lovers, and Gil characters got cucked by a blond final villain guy. The irony of it.
>>285671453The upper tiers of cute girls, yes.
is there a fate character personality test? i wanna know who i'd summon naturally
>>2856678200 onscreen fights0 clear feats7 minor appearances in spinoffs and retconned worksMy king CCCilgamesh solos this 007 fraud
>>285673757They also voiced the main pair in Nodame Cantabile
>>285673813I heard they were a duo back then.
>>285673866What did Nasu mean by this?
explain to me like I'm retarded what's up with the fake/true servant thing in this series (I'm retarded)
>>285673962nyo
>>285673757Man, just like Super Phoenix and Bibimba
>>285673866Meanwhile Shirou is voiced by a homosexual
>>285673366Heh, nice reference.
>>285673793>0 clear featsZelretch stopping the Moon with a virtually infinite energy Ether cannon is a pretty clear feat.We also get a clear feat from him in FSF itself. Where it clearly demonstrates he has the capability to overwrite the World's Records using parallel worlds even from his own personal dimension (likely in Imaginary Numbers Space). He demonstrates this in F/SF where the only reason Ayaka plays an active role in the series is due to Zelretch's intervention. He manipulated the World's history/records and inserted Ayaka as an observer in the F/SF's world history. F/SF Ayaka having the appearance of Ayaka from Prototype and even glasses is entirely arbitrary and a result of Zelretch's Second Magic (picking one possibility across a virtually infinite number and overwriting the world with that as basis). This is also the title of the chapter; Character Creation or Observer. This is a truly Godlike ability outside the scope of magecraft entirely, especially when this is done in a world with an active Counter Force.And he erases any version of Gilshit with neg-difficulty.
>>285674113that pic predates that doujin by a very long time
>>285673757All the Gil and Saber shipping reminds me of Saber's VA saying she'd rather marry Gil over Shirou on stage.
>>285674161I was just looking for an excuse to post it.
>>285674178women moment.
>>285674178I agree.
>>285674206Herk wouldn't like Sloppalyta
>>285674085>source - your ass
>>285674251Sasuke kisses Naruto daily
>>285674251You think Fate Shirou would look at a mirror and realize it at some point.
>>285673962Americans want to start a HGW, can't due to not having Fuyuki-tier leylines. When they attempt the ritual anyway it starts a 'fake' HGW that only summons 6 servants, missing Saber. However, in starting the 'fake' war enough magic energy accumulates to make starting an actual HGW possible. The summoning of Saber signifies the start of the 'true' HGW, and any servants summoned after him are also part of it. Go rewatch episode 0 and 1 and pay attention this time it's really not that complicated.
>>285674300There isn't a single japanese man in history that has ever looked that chad. Shirou has to be a foreigner. A hapa at MOST.
>>285674300>Abridged Archer: One day I looked into the mirror and went, Oh cool! There it is! There it is! Neat.
>>285673502Yeah, the one with flawless white skin.
>>285673603>strong enough to immobilize HerkPretty good
i kinda wish that dionysus was a servant because him and a sane version of herc interacting would probably be funny as shit
>>285674426They both have divine blessings and divine blood, one of them is just better.
>>285674178Never understood why it's so popular, maybe I'm just sappy but I don't know how you can read Fate route and then ship Saber with anyone other than Shirou. Just feels wrong
>>285674343once a century, the Japanese are able to produce a chad among chads
>>285674611It's a yumejoshi thing.They self-insert into Saber and want to fuck Gil.
>>285674611Gilgamesh is what all girls really want, a rich arrogant guy that takes what he want and is sexually aggressiveShirou is what men idealize, a man who would die for his ideals no matter how retarded they are, while throwing around vague undefinable words like justice and heroismIt shows the difference in the mindset of the sexes
>>285673962Normal HGW:>Einzberns made a system using Siegfried's cursed Das Rheingold to reach the Root via Wish Granting. They charge up mana over 60 years to summon 7 servants and in turn these would be used as sacrifice to open the hole. The quality of the leyline is explicitly not the best but Fuyuki is located away from the eyes of the Mage AssociationApo's HGW:>Since Darnic is a high ranking member of the Mage Association, he could keep everything under wraps with Romania's superior leyline. He could tamper the system switches (it seems there was a mistranslation or retcon along the way on whether that was a failsafe or intentional, at very least he had weeks to plan around it so if beyond his control, he knew it'd happen) and this triggered a backup system that in case 7 mages make truces and the HGW reaches a stalemate, the grail accumulates mana over time to summon +7 servants and a Ruler to force the progression of the HGW.>since the Einzberns didn't summon Avenger in the third, the grail didn't get corrupted and the nazis stole it without problem>they have 14 servants (+Ruler) but wish granting is already available along the waySF's HGW:>American mages used a fragment of the grail from the 3rd HGW (the one everything went to shit) but they are working with a fragment and whatever they could get. Their quality sucks balls, so they had to use gimmicks and make the HGW in sequence of first 6 non-Saber servants, the Saber, and more 6 non-Saber servants to first set up the grail and then have the proper HGW.>Their efficiency sucks, their failsafes are broken, they will NOT get a Ruler and this caused a crapton of anomalies like the summoning of the Pale Rider
>>285674420Shiki...
>>285673049You're thinking of Daddy Dagoth, the one true God of Tamriel.
>>285674178Me too desu
>>285674178I remember that video you have the link to it?
Found the biggest Shirou lover.https://x.com/MomomiyaShizuku
>>285674660Gil is just more attractive. Shirous character archetype is popular among women, just in different characters. Redman is also very popular with yumes. They just don't wanna fuck the teenage boy
>>285674657Back in the day there was no gacha mc to self-insert as, Hakuno isn't that popular either
>>285674611Because King Arthur falling in love with a Japanese teenager is a hard sell, and the written material does not sell it.
>>285674803He's a very special japanese teenager though
>>285674803Hard to sell for women.Still audibly kek every time a woman read Fate route, and get mad about Shirou sexism.
>>285674767There were people shipping Gil x Hakunon even before CCC
>>285674803I've been sold on it for years. You would think a woman self-inserting as King Arthur would be the harder sell, but here we are.
>>285666498>Dietrich is initially afraid to fight against Siegfried, noting that Siegfried's skin hardened in dragon's blood makes him impervious to defeat. He must be heckled into doing it by Hildebrand and Wolfhart, with Hildebrand finally striking Dietrich. They make him so angry he breathes fire, is able to break Siegfried's impenetrable skin, and easily defeats Siegfried, who flees to Kriemhilt's lap for safety. Siegfriedbros... what the fuck is this...
>>285674879>I've been sold on it for yearsThat says more about you though.
>>285674690Get back to bed Voryn.
>>285674803It's really not, the whole point is that she isn't just the stoic unflinching King Arthur she's also a small girl who likes cute things and died never getting to experience a typical girl's life. Her falling in love with the first person to ever treat her like that makes a lot of sense.
>>285674690Grey hand typed this post.
>>285674945"Sigmar"?
>>285674767>gacha games created self insertAgain the modern day viewer is too retarded to understand what "self insert" meansSelf insert doesnt' mean "silent protaganist", a self insert is the character you experience the story through, you understand their feelings, you feel their anger, their hatred, their sadness, you "insert into them" while reading in order to experience the story mentally and visually, you are not often experiencing stories as a fly on the wall, 99% of stories you are experiencing through the narrative character. Nasu directly calls Shirou a self insert character in three different interviews and complete materialsThe self insert character in stories is more often than not the protagonist. You are seeing the story through them, you are experiencing the world through their eyes. When Shinji kicks Taiga's body in FSN the reason you hate him is because Shirou cares about Taiga, because you are "sharing" his emotions, or at least what you presume are his emotions.The reason Shiroufags do not want Saber to be paired with Saber ever is because they self insert as Shirou and they don't want her "taken away", the reason Hakunofags don't want BB paired with guda is because they self insert as Hakuno, this is just something they can't admit out loud, no generation is actually different from the others, people just created a term for how much they hate "having a waifu" or "Wanting to fuck a character" or "shipping a character with the protagonist" when FGO came out when nothing actually changed. Its just anime boomers trying to pretend things changed and "I can't believe these fucking self insertfags these days, back in my day I shipped Auska with Shinji, the character I insert as because he's the protagonist" when in reality its the same as always. Nothing has ever changed.
>>285674923I am a God. How dare you disrespect a God. Is this how you honor the 6th house and the tribe un-mourned?
>>285674970>Saber to be paired with Saberkek
>>285674935despite that angle, it doesn't work because nasu is not a good writer of romance.
>>285674897Gotta be honest reading this while I was searching for Norse Mythology and Germanic Folklore made me actually want Dietrich servant or some mention because a guy spewing fire so powerful it wounds through dragon-tier skin sounds metal as fuck
>>285674964The Warhammer character
Sane Herc would be a jobber if he were to appear
>>285675087
>>285675106
>>285675128Who?
>>285675128
>>285675043Keep posting that every time the topic comes up. Eventually someone might believe you.>>285675083Sane Herc is the opposite of a jobber, and it's why he can never appear in his full glory. The feats and legends of Heracles involve overcoming a variety of challenges with novel problem solving. It's just as important as his insane strength and abilities, and why berserker is so bad for him. He's a professional, he knows the best way to approach every situation, he doesn't fuck around.
>>285675144Lynn
>>285674970>Hakunofags don't want BB paired with guda is because they self insert as HakunoIt's been stated multiple times that BB only loves Hakuno. Her very existence is her Love for Hakuno. Saber is different. She's an actual HS whose existence isn't dependent on Shirou.
>Redman got to fuck Rin's niece in EXTRAHoly based!
Okay but Gil is really hot.
>>285675048In lore Dietrich is the same situation as Charlie wherein his historical self Theodoric is his own dude (and he looks fucking awesome), but Dietrich himself would be cool.Like he's half-demon because his father is either the fucking Devil or a demonic version of Muhammad, his dad got killed while he was young and he was forced out of his own kingdom, he has two swords, one of which being a giant's knife as well as unbreakable armor that comes from another hero called Ortnit, he spent most of his time killing dragons, giants, and dwarfs, he saved the literal embodiment of luck, he'd be cool.He even has his own little friend group.
>Karna is summoned as the True LancerWhat changes?
>>285675166That doesn't tell me anything.
>>285675159Nasu himself says he's embarrassed over how bad and poorly handled the romance in Fate route was. Someone who lived as a man and who lived without emotions for 35 years, who lived detached from earthly ideals living as the ultimate ideal of perfection, suddenly breaking every vow they held in life and becoming an entirely different person in less than two weeks just because a random kid told them they were a woman and bought them a stufted animal one time, it was shallow. He says the way he handled it by constantly having Shirou over empathize "but she's a girl" was nothing but clumsy. I think in a recent interview he said again he finds it hard to read over again because of how bad it was.
>>285675278gilgamesh gg
>>285675278Poos are mana hogs, Sigma would probably be dead after five minutes.
>>285675159He'd job to hydra poison anyway
>>285675309Alcides is an even mana hog and he's still alive.
>>285675289From Rosen Garten SagaHer village was attacked by bandits and then she grabbed what turned out to be Balmung to protect her, causing Siegfried's ghost to possess her and beat the bandits before turning them into women and giving Lynn a dick to rape them
>>285675296>
>>285674672Morgan love!
>>285675343Yeah because Bazdilot killed a fuckton of people in advance for mana crystals.
>>285675351I did get the impression that Siegfried gave her a dick, from the way Sieg talked, but this is even better.
>>285675376Honestly, the Mana hog argument hasn't been used since FSN/Zero.Pre-Greater Grail theft in Apo has Karna and Achilles using their NPs freely.
>>285675295You mean the same Nasu that said the HF movies are better than the VN despite it butchering the story?
>>285675278Karna would have to fight either for a really short period of time, without using a portion of his kit or Sigma would have to periodically fuck him to charge him up.Though in the Turas Realta manga, it exposes Karna can burn up his own life to fight full power for a short period.>>285675343He is powered up by a ton of human sacrifices to make him fight full power for long.>>285675419iirc Amakusa already had taken the master slot then, though I don't know how his mana reserves ran. Don't think it's exposed either.
>>285675387The two then team up with Dietrich von Bern, who is a giant masochist whose sword grows relative to how horny he is, and Fafnir's little sisters, who want revenge on Siegfried for turning their older brother into a girl and raping him (her), to participate in a team tournament where the winner receives all of Siegfried's treasures, including Kriemhild, who looks exactly like Lynn but she's the only one who notices
>>285675278Ishtar takes over the world
>>285675449>no fate series where one of the characters summons a high-maintenance mana hog without thinking things through and has to have gay sex 24/7 to stay relevantwhat a shame
>>285675477The good ending.
>>285675442the same guy that said he wouldn't write CCC if the HF movies were to come out earlier.Appealing to authority with Nasu is the single dumbest thing ever because he is such an insecure fuck.
>>285675376what a metagaming asshole
>>285675549If you can't metagame in advance you aren't built for Grail Wars.That's what separates folks like Kirei and Amakusa from fools like Darnic and Faldeus.
>>285675250So since the Volsung/Nibelung servant somewhat recognized Altera, Dietrich would also have freeloaded at her house?
>>285675549They were all people he was going to kill anyway, because he runs the mafia. He just doesn't let the body go to wasteHe quite literally says that he's just doing what Medea's master was doing in FSN, except on a mass scale.>Hey we're making all these people disappear, isn't there a more effective way of disposing of all the bodies>Wait I have an ideaSo he made them all into crystals
>>285675201Maybe you should actually read the gameFGO BB isn't CCC BBIts not the same person at all
>>285675449>Amakusa already had taken the master slot thenNah, he took it during the fight with Dracula. Even then, the infinite mana is only after the fight.
>>285675549just wait til you see what Marisbilly did.
>>285675627Read the fucking mats. She was sent from the Moon Cell. Which Hakuno is in charge of.
>>285675669That's when he formally released the original masters at Karna's insistence, but he was in control of the masters before the start of the story. It's not hard to reason that means he was providing mana too, or at least extra mana on top of what the semi conscious masters were giving.
>>285673502One sister was extremely useful during Babylonia while the other was useless pity roll bait.
>>285675718It still makes no sense though. Karna is one thing but Amakusa giving mana to Achilles too? What about a berserker like Spartacus? That's 3 mana hogs.
>>285669252Alignments in Nasuverse is more of what the characters think themselves as.
>>285675322Anyone who gets hit by it would.
>>285670780>Literally a biblical plague that has no physical formnot actually that powerful in practice>The embodiment of serial killers everywhere that lacks a concrete form and can become anythingAgain, not actually very strong in practice, both job out hard before the halfway point of the war
>>285675549>>285675589>Metagaming hard for a literal scam ritual
>>285675894He's called the dark horse of the entire war that could have easily won early on in the novels. No way to catch him, no way to kill him, no way to find his master. So they had to get rid of him in the only way they could when he was basically impossible to actually fight. One encounter between Pale Rider and Alcidies ended up with two of Alcidies NPs being stolen, and Alcidies having to run for his life.Its not about being weak, its about the story having to get rid of characters who were too broken early on so they didn't have too much of an advantage. About half the strongest characters get crippled early on just so the war doesn't get too imbalanced.You're probably the type who would called Siegfried weak because he "lost early in Apocrypha", he never actually lost, he just got removed because he was too broken otherwise. If a character basically kills themselves its not really "jobbing".
>>285675937Sometimes the shitters summon shit like Jack and Dumas and you have to put them in their fucking place.
>>285671572>People constantly "re-interpreting her" as top tierWe're told flat out in the light novels that Hippo is very strong. Enkidu himself scans her and determines that. The difference between her and Herc is the difference between an A+ tier servant and an EX tier servant, not the difference between a D rank servant and an EX.>She has two legends, getting her ass kicked by Heracles in one hit, and losing badly to Thesues.In the legends, she's the final boss of the Amazoniad myth cycle and considered an impressive threat for both Heracles and Theseus to overcome. Her falling in love with Heracles surprisingly disarmed what was considered an impossible task (retrieving her belt, which King Eurystheus came up with specifically to try and get Herc killed because it would require defeating a demigoddess who is a master of warfare feared throughout ancient Greece). This is like saying Medusa should be weak despite being the final boss of Perseus's myth cycle, or that Orochi should be weak. In short, fuck you retard, you don't know shit no matter how confidently wrong you want to be
>>285675979There's a big differenceSusanoo had to get Orochi drunk and weaken it for a long time before he could kill it. Which indicates he's weaker than it if he isn't employing strategy to win. The story makes it clear which one was stronger, because if Susanoo was stronger he wouldn't need to weaken it.Medusa was a gimmick fight where Perseus beat her the second he metagamed her gimmick because the gods told him about it ahead of time. Indicating she's not really as strong as she seems, or she relies too heavily on her gimmickDivine bull is literally something Gilgamesh and Enkidu beat up together on their first try, after Enkidu held it down and did a swords dance on it, and then they hacked it to pieces. The wank it gets in Fate is a bit much considering how it went down.Meanwhile Hippolyta isn't someone Heracles needed strategy to defeat; he simply killed her instantly when she "betrayed him" along with the other amazons that tried to attack him. He was the beast in that situation, not her.
>>285664784>ryona's saber>gets to fuck medeaHe's so lucky
>>285675943>He's called the dark horse of the entire war that could have easily won early on in the novels. No way to catch him, no way to kill him, no way to find his master. So they had to get rid of him in the only way they could when he was basically impossible to actually fight.Jack tries to fight one (1) time and gets instantly obliterated. He never even stood a chance, regardless of whatever inane bullshit you want to talk about. Alcides even notes he could have just killed him with Nine Lives right away, but he wanted to steal From Hell instead.>One encounter between Pale Rider and Alcidies ended up with two of Alcidies NPs being stolen, and Alcidies having to run for his life.Alcides was wounded and low on mana from having three duels in a row, one of which stuck him iwth hydra venom, and was retreating to recover and strategize. He still was able to fight off Pale Rider and Hippo combined. Pale Rider is not a threat to top tiers, as proven by the fact mid-tier Servants were able to enter his active radius and defeat his army of Cerberuses, which was his only actual defense.
>>285676029>there's a big differencenope, I'm not even going to bother reading your cope. You can play mental gymnastics all you want. It was one of the Twelve Labors, and it was the subject of an entire mythical cycle in its own right, one as famous as the Seven Against Thebes and the Trojan War. Beating Hippo was not an easy task, Herc only did so with such ease because she was fucking naked and unarmed after he fucked her, because he got lucky for once in his miserable life and the subject of his Labor fell in love with him on sight rather than attacking him like Eurytheus hoped. And no accounts of Theseus's battle with her survive to learn what the battle was like. All we know is the Amazons were the bane of Achaea until Heracles and Theseus teamed up to bring them down.
>>285675943Siegfried isn't weak. He isn't top tier either. He's a wall just like Herk. Atalanta could hurt him with just her basic arrows.
>>285676124Atalanta wasn't using basic arrows, she was charging them with mana until they became A-rank attacks. Read the LN.
>>285676139So she just put more power into it? Not even an NP and Siegfried still took damage.
>>285676099>because he got lucky for once in his miserable lifeHera: And I took that personally
>>285676152He was taking scratches. That's how his armor works. It massively reduces the damage from attacks to the point of either being completely null or negligible.Attacks are reduced by the equivalent of B-rank, so with his hardy body he just has to handle E-rank attacks from most sources.
>>285675955>implying dumas isnt a S tier summon as long as you play defensively
>>285676240Feels like he is amazing for HGW but horrendous for Chaldea.
>>285676152A lot of NPs only deal A-rank damage upon release, functionally making Siegfried incredibly resilient to straight damage-type NPs.
>>285674747Girls want a man that's already established, not one that's a work in progress. Which is why Redman is popular but Shirou was never popular.
>>285676124siggy has some pretty critical weaknesses against basically anything that isnt a finesse fighter. Against guts archetypes he still takes a slab of steel to the torso like its a slab of steel, his protection is lacking against caster bullshit and any assassin bullshit that doesnt involve knives to the externals. to borrow baseball terminology, you are calling roleplayer-level servants goats because they would win against a team of generic replacement-level players who barely graduated out of the minor leagues, when in reality they are facing a full power HGW where there are at least a few all-pros on the enemy roster.
>>285676336It's more that Shirou is way too young
>>285676356The same fanbase where female fans orgasm over Ko-gil cosntantly. Including the VA for Mashu who says she's into shotaRight
>>285676353He's the sort that absolutely kills if everyone is one the theoretical playing field of "we all summoned a bunch of meathead warriors to fight in this battle royale," but it never goes that way. That's part of why the Saber class is only best in theory. It's got high stats and a bunch of traditionally fantastical heroes, but they're mostly statsticks who might have a trick or two. Siegfried is one of the sturdiest motherfuckers around, but put him against a Cu Chulainn and watch him explode.
>>285676372he's also way too young
>>285676203>sieg's def is subtractive>karna's def is divisivefeels like some vidya shit
>>285676336>>285676356those are one and the same.
>>285676426To be fair, in their legends it was just full* invulnerability, so they either didn't encounter anyone in life who could hurt them enough to expose those specifications or being shoved into a class system added the numerical restrictions almost arbitrarily.
>Siegfried's back is his weakness>Karna's only weakness is using Vasavi which removes his armor
>>285676544His weakness is he'll give you his armor if you ask for it, out of mercy.
>>285676426Most defenses are organized in tiers, like basic saber has A rank MR so they can only be hurt by S or EX rank magic. Which is really cool until your realize that 8/9 classes dont use magic baseline and the one that does probably has S or EX rank as a caster.
>>285676553He never does that though in stories other than in his legend. He knew it was Indra and yet he gave his armor away too.He also gave his Master in CCC his armor without her knowing.
>>285676434There's also 'Redman' and 'Nameless' who are (technically) different from each other again due to retarded multiverse shenanigans
>>285676582They never askedThe reason he couldn't give gilgamesh his armor in CCC is because he already gave it away.He didn't give the armor away because it was Indra, he gave it away out of honor for the begger. Indra felt such shame over his actions that he revealed himself and then gave away his spear
Even a dildo?
>>285676575It just means incidental casting from servants who would probably otherwise qualify or just fall short of being a Caster, like Cu with his runes or EMIYA with his magecraft, are cut off from being able to interact with Saber from that angle. It removes some X factors from the combat equation against foes who might be trickier than they appear because they possess a little magecraft.
>>285676628They didn't have dildos back thenWomen just used vegetables or tables or something
Hippolyta? Cu's victim
>>285676628Olga, don't look
>>285676621Pretty sure he saw through the disguise and still gave his armor away. That's why Indra gave him his spear.
>>285663867
>>285676553>>285676621Nah, he only gave it away when Indra who was disguising as a brahmin (the equivalent of a high priest) asked him to (which was literally engraved onto his flesh).And it still took tons of curses plus Krishna to actually finish him off.Meanwhile Sumanai's death in the depiction of the anime looks like a Cu ga Shinda gag.He wins massively with his not-yandere goth wife though.
>>285673013>that not even full power Gil could win that easily>that easilyWhat the fuck makes you think Gil of all people can do ANYTHING to Marisbury?
>>285676636The thing is that it has to be an offensive magic to resist it, things like EMIYA dont even apply because its either using magic to reinforce his muscles or using magic to summon actual weapons. Similarly, it blocks Cu's offensive runes but not his self-buffing ones. Youre basically rolling the dice that you get some druid or shaman as a rider/archer/lancer or a mystic/cursecrafter assassin (but not an actually good one) or a really really shitty caster.
Siegfried's reputation was ruined due to FGO since it came out 2 years before the Apo anime.Despite being an Anti-Dragon specialist, Dragons were Rider-class so he doesn't have 2x damage.This caused Kojiro to take his role as he's a 1* Assassin. He's also one of the worst 4*s to get.He became the Sumanai joke. I don't think even the Apo anime saved him too.
>>285674113What the fuck am I looking at? Where is that from?
>>285676702He could use the prototype of Solomon's Ten Rings to counter the Nega-Summon.Though I wouldn't be surprised if Maris just smiled at Gil before using a cs to have Solomon summon a Grand to beat the shit out of Gil afterward.
>>285673078SAAR REDEEM ARTORIA'S VAGENE SAAR
>>285667021As much shit as we talk about Artoria wank, I honestly can't think of any better alternatives for Grand Saber.
>>285676746>Solomon's Ten Rings to counter the Nega-Summon.He doesn't have it
>>285676681>Meanwhile Sumanai's death in the depiction of the anime looks like a Cu ga Shinda gag.That retard canonically ask for it
>>285676715>Siegfried's reputation was ruined due to FGO since it came out 2 years before the Apo anime.This is a pretty laughable statement if you actually know anything>Apoc novel came out way way before FGO>Sielgfried was considered a shitter who lost easily>He was considered a shitter in the anime as well>Especially after Sieg with Siegfried's power lost to a mid tier Saber like Mordred, everything in Apoc made him look bad>This is despite Siegfried having 4x advantage against Mordred with his anti dragon sword, anti dragon killing techniques, much higher stats than her, invincible skin that should negate Clarent, everything is in his favor and he still lost just because she's saberface>He was considered a shitter all the way up until Higashide used FGO to salvage his reputation over and over by trying to make him look strong after he looked weak in Apocrypha>Every appearance in FGO is Siegfried being wanked to shit>Traum, Orleans, any time he appears he has to be called strong>Siegfried personally tanking all of Tameteyo's city destroying arrows in Traum by standing out in front>The only reason he seems strong now is because the campaign in FGO to make him seem cooler than he is
>>285676705I just think of it as a nice perk of the class that makes it so that you just don't even have to worry about those things as a possibility. It deletes a slew of offensive options from a subsection of opponents, which isn't totally nothing. It also means that even good Casters can't just poke at you and have to bring out their better spells to even interact with you. Making someone tip their hand early can be a big deal.
>>285676756ENTER
>>285676746Only Ars Nova can counter Nega Summon. And the user completely erases themselves from the Throne (true servant death).So Romani AKA solomon kills himself for real to undo Goetia's Nega Summon.And Lev (1/72) kills himself for real to undo Maris' Nega Summon skill which is copied from Beast I in his master's name.Solomon's rings are a direct gift from the Abrahamic God and don't have a prototype and all 10 are accounted for at all times.
>>285676847Siegfried's peak was saying Sumanai in FGO.Nobody cared about him in Apo.
>>285676681>>285676829Doesn't he have a curse that prevents him from protecting his back?Couldn't someone super fast just go behind him and win?
>>285676756She was never particularly the "most famous swordsman"If you listed the best swordsmen in the world she'd barely be top 50. She was never even the strongest KotR despite being gifted a sword stronger than the others, she was still upper mid tier.Musashi is also grand Saber, which honestly fits better than Arthuria. At least Musashi is wanked as a swordsman, and not as someone who was given a special fairy blade that does the work for them.Although Nasu thinks "Muramasa was a famous swordsman". Nasu has some odd ideas about things.
>>285676847>to make him seem cooler than he isNo, he was always capable of these things. There were a ton of caveats to his prior performance, like Sieg not being attuned to him and sucking ass as a fighter because he hadn't developed combat instincts yet to actually make use of his new body.Siegfried never lost easily. He held his own against Karna and then killed himself to heroically save a dying boy because that's the kind of person he was. Sieg had a tough time with Mordred due to his own inexperience and compatibility between their Noble Phantasms. I don't know why people would think of Siegfried as a shitter when Sieg =/= Siegfried and Sieg improved in capability every time he transformed. It was just a lack of experience more than anything. FGO was Siegfried actually getting to be his own person and strut his stuff.
>>285676760That right there? That's where the boners are made.
>>285676886He can protect his back, but he can't cover his weak spot. It will always be magically uncovered. Armor cannot cover it and magical barriers will open up a convenient hole to allow access to that one spot. He can fight defensively to ward attacks away from it, but he must actively defend to keep it protected. Fortunately, Siegfried is more aware of his weakness than anyone. In a way, it's something of a non-issue in the grand scheme of things because, turns out, most people also die if you stab them in the spine.
>>285676847The Traum chapter is such a weird thing, because Tamemoto's arrows could only destroy a ship, and a ship is nothing like a dragon or a magical/demonic/divine beast.So at best he would just be a nuker kinda like what Redman could do with a Broken Phantasm.Then someone at Typemoon had a bright idea of writing the Oldman in his daughter-in-law's body event where Orion's np clashing against Tamemoto's created a shockwave that destroyed like three islands.So either Sumanai is a decent tank who puts all of his stats into dragon-slaying, or this supertank on the level of Karna.Traum's final part where Sumanai betrayed Master for his wife is funny though.
>>285677009Traum is written by Higashide just as an FYI
>>285676740A doujin by Prisma mangaka.It has a lot of gags from FGO so you probably wouldn't understand.
>>285677009>or this supertank on the level of KarnaWe kind of already knew this from Apocrypha. SIegfried is an absolute brick shithouse whose defense scales up when he actively defends. He's like THE defensive powerhouse whose defense is arguably better than Karna's. Karna has higher firepower and slightly edges him out in skill, but Siegfried is a walking fortress who is no slouch as a swordsman with the additional niche of turbofucking dragons.
>>285663867After Strange Fake What's next for Type Moon in terms of anime?
>>285677024All Siegfried, Jeanne, Amakusa, etc appearances in FGO are HigashideYou can tell who wrote what chapter most of the time since writers tend to stick to their own characters. There are a few exceptions such as Odysseus showing up first in a Higashide chapter despite all later instances of Odysseus being Sakurai writing him.
>>285677009Armor of Fafnir shaves all four ranks of damage on all attacksAnything below A rank will not damage him at allAn A rank attack will feel like an E rank attack to himHe's called the living fortress in his matsArmor of fafnir can also double in strength under certain conditions
>Herc will only get beaten by love from Hippo (again, just like how he died protecting Illya, also a parallel to Achilles and Atalanta)>Gilkek meanwhile will job as usualBased Herc
>>285677128I dread the flood of doujin where Servants are summoned by wolf and got cs'd to get knotted.
>>285677180Is the wolf even male?
>>285677155In a way it's actually interesting that Armor of Fafnir helps him tank way more than Herc despite being a sidegrade.
>>285677176Herk already jobbed to John.
>>285677155>>285677202Actually, it's anything below B-rank. B+ will hurt him. Herk is anything below A so a B+++ won't hurt him at all.
>>285671510>QuetzalcoatlSexy abs...
>>285671510>no sun temple>Enkidu can counter her Threat to Humanity
>>285677202God Hand's problem is that it filters 90% of Servants, but the other 10% have like half a dozen EX or A++ ranked NP's in their kit so they can consistently inflict damage. At least Herc has a new skill now that ranks his END to A++ (at the very least, maybe even EX) and he's been overall more durable in his FGO showings.
>>285677280The matter is that it's subtractive while God Hand is permissive. B+ will "hurt him" for scratch damage.
Cu would have won that fight against herc btw.
>>285677280>Actually it's way way below godhand, I assure youI don't think you want to make that argument after godhand got retconned so it no longer nullifies damage and it no longer develops immunity. Which is how saber alter was able to kill Heracles eleven times in HF movie with the same basic attack.
>>285668300Mordred's better, cooler, stronger.
>>285677860SLOPdred.RETARDred.
Saber Alter was a mistake.
>>285676917this image could be armpit, cleavage or the top of an innie with clitoral hoodwhy are creases so sexy, bros?
>>285677819I thought that’s due to grail cum disabling god hand
>>285677819>no longer nullifies damage and it no longer develops immunity. Which is how saber alter was able to kill Heracles eleven times in HF movie with the same basic attack.Since when? Saber Alter's attacks are all A-rank and above and we know Herk can lose multiple lives in 1 attack.>a basic slash of her sword>Mana Burst>Excalibur MorganDoes she still have Strike Air?
>>285677819>UfoslopNon-canon. Saber Alter in the Novel barely matches with Heracles and that's because the Shadow is actively sabotaging him.
Regardless of her incarnation, regardless of the story, regardless of her opponent, Artoria always loses to cock.
>>285678568NTA but the immunity thing was reconned by Nasu in an Interview. Instead of becoming immune to whatever killed him he now only gains Resistance towards it.
>>285678667Why is Nasushitter like this
>>285664784Wobbly fists... I kneel
New ED visuals for EP 5
>>285678909You have no idea how comfy things are.
>>285674178Nowadays her husbando is Merlin
>>285678909You just know...
arururu?
>>285673502Did they make her argentinian?
>>285677128Billions of dollars worth of r18 OVAs
>>285678909>Humbaba trying to chomp Gilkek
Ayaka looks like...
>>285679141You mean this looks like Ayaka.
>>285678909CUTEBut where’s Zealot-chan
>>285678568>barely matchesAccording to Shirou she was overpowering him, the Shadow just turned it into a one-sided stomp
>>285678909>sigma is the size of FUCKING MASHUGuys, what the fuck? I thought he looked much older in other art
>>285679287Hidden behing the Prelati duo and seething at Jester who is clinging to her.
>>285679020best girl
>>285679302>Even if they are equally strong, Berserker's movement is further restricted with each passing second.>…Then…>The balance will only tip further towards the swordsman the longer they fight.Saber cheesed the fight in the novel
>>285678909>Faldeus
>>285678667Shit, this means that Godhand works like Mahoraga now.So, Berserker just has to tank a specific A++ attack several times until it goes below A rank without losing all of his 12 lives.
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE HELP ME ZEUS-SAMA IT'S PEOPLE'S NAUGHTY THOUGHTS IT BURNS IT HURTS AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
>>285679517yeah but even an A-rank attack can kill him 12 times over because god hand isn't actually 12 revivals (or 12x guts, or 12 break bars in FGO terms) but rather a 12x longer health bar lol
>>285679635Did Berserker class makes him 2x buffer and taller?
>>285679650>but even an A-rank attack can kill him 12 timesIf Saber estimates that Excalibur can't do it (an A++ anti-fortress NP) then I don't expect there to exist many NP's capable of doing it.
>>285679653He's still pretty buff and tall but yeah madness steroids do help
>>285679666>>285679635has the episode leaked or some shit
>>285679664Excalibur with seals in place (so all of F/SN) is like A to A+ at max. A++ is the maximum planetary defense mode. Also Excalibur can absolutely do it, they discuss it in the VN.
>>285663867I don't get it. Why it's Alcides so fucking strong if he's Heracles without any of his divinity? Wouldn't that make him just a regular human with nothing making him stand out?
>>285679674nah just chink screenshot leaks as usual
>>285679685He isn't. Ishtar plainly states that Alcides is working himself up with a bunch of buffs to get to the level of his Divine self.
>>285678909who's the vampire with the top hat
>>285679694>He isn't What? Alcides mogs Herk in a 1v1 it's not even funny.
>>285679760>Alcides could defeat Heracles at his absolute worst in a class that's dogshit for himA shocker
>>285678909
>>285679760>both die to hydra poison so they counter each other's immortalities>divinity and being able to properly use the ares girdle makes archer herc much more powerful and able to pierce the nemean lion's hide so both are vulnerable>king's order is mostly useless jobber monsters that would die in one hit to hydra arrows anyway so they aren't accomplishing anythingit's archer herc's fight to lose
>>285679771Who said I'm talking about Berserker?Alcides has more shit than Archer Herk.
>>285679676>is like A to A+ at maxYou're pulling shit out of your ass. A++ is Excalibur's classification the entire time and it's classed anti-fortress
>>285679666Archerkles looks like anime Superman.
>>285679797Yet in FGO we also learn that the seals represent the conditional damage multiplication, aka the ++.
>>285679784So? Alcides is not the true owner of those NP's, he'd lose against Herc by default. Alcides isn't a proper heroic spirit, he's an abberation. And it doesn't change the fact that he has to juice himself with random shit to get on Archer Herc + Divinity level.
>>285679775Of course, nothing ever happens
>>285679635So why did he debuff Herakles? He basically steamroll the war with Archer Herakles.
>>285679782>divinity and being able to properly use the ares girdle makes archer herc much more powerful and able to pierce the nemean lion's hide so both are vulnerableHow do you know if Archer Herk will get the sash?
>>285679820Because Herc wouldn't follow an order to kill a child.
>downplaying Alcides and saying he sucks nowHoly fuck. What happened here?
>>285679760Alcides gets mid-diffed at best. Myth re-enacts itself, which renders all of Kings Glory useless. RP means nothing because you can't steal from yourself. Alcides is left with a nerfed Nine Lives to compete against the real thing.
>>285679020Boring bitch. She's just Eua but younger.
>>285679666I'm sorry he's kind of ugly
>>285679675this makes my chinchin go arururu
>>285663867Can someone explain to me if this is canon to Stay night or what? Is this an alternate reality like Extra or what?
>>285679844Because that's the point of Alcides, he is willing to debuff himself because of his contempt for gods and anything divine.
>>285679894IT'S LITERALLY FANFICTION
>>285679694So he uses cheats to make himself super strong? What kind of cheats do he uses to match his divine counterpart?
>>285679844No one's saying he sucks, one retard just got triggered because Alcides is objectively a nerfed version of a sane Heracles
>>285679912Stolen NP from Jack + Goddess of War + Grail Mud + Augean Stables NP. That's three whole NP's + angry manjew just to fire off a Nine Lives on divine Herc's level
>>285679912Basically, he traded his Nine Lives for tools based on his 12 tasks. He also can steal NPs, and empower his weapons with the sash.
>>285679894Everything is canon
"Alcides" in Volume 9 should be stronger then Archer Herk right?
Why even bother with other classes if only Sabers and Archers have a chance (not counting that one guy)? I undertand on the first few wars but by now, with everyone knowing how the previous played out, not just suiciding your own servant to save yourself and running away is madness
Alcides:>However, now Alcides was freed from all possible shackles, and his Master Bazdilot Cordelion provided him with as much magical energy as he could handle. >This resulted in the Noble Phantasm manifesting in a completely different form this time.>Through a combination of the overwhelming techniques that the always battle-ready hero spent his life cultivating, the ominous spell of curse resembling jet-black mud which he obtained in exchange for discarding his divine aura, and the sheer volume of magical energy supplied by his Master, Nine Lives finally developed the move that manifested its former nemesis into the world.>But this godly power was now entangled and subjugated by black mud, mutedly sending only a constant stream of raw energy to the bow and arrowLive Ishtar Reaction:>Watching the tangle of serpents trying to eat way his flesh made of divine aura, the goddess advened in the vessel named Filia mumbled:>"Had he not let revenge degrade him, he could have pulled off the same thing with his divinity alone.">>285679984By the end of Vol.9 he's closer to becoming a Beast than being any version of Herc anymore
>>285679984yes, but archer herc would be even stronger in the same situation since he'd basically become zeus
>>285679666Hippolyta wants to fuck this?
>>285680037she's an undersocialised fightfag tomboy so she's one of the rare women into gymcels
>>285679894School life time which is a variation of HF timeline.
>>285674343Shirou is Irish bro. How the hell do you think he has such bright red hair in Japan of all places. Clearly his original parents were immigrants there working a job when they got slimed and Kiritsugu found their redheaded kid and adopted him. Do you really think Artoria would fall in love with some goofy jap boy? Ya right
>>285679984With Gugalanna's energy yeah. However that same energy is a backdoor that's going to fuck him up. It's been poisoned with Thia's A Clockwork Abaddon. Alcides has swallowed a live nuke and he's going to regret it.
>>285680056Not that it matters because Shinji is alive in the School life timeline, so it isn't a 1:1 to HF timeline.
>>285680056>School life timefanfiction
>>285680162That's the joke with FSF
Seibah
God she's so disgusting......
>>285680274arururu?
Herc is not husbando material
>>285676760If Artoria is Blue Umu, what should we call Hippo? Horse Umu?
>>285680266ALCOHOLICtoria.USELESStoria.MIDGEToria.JOBBERtoria.Moedred > Artoria.Morgan > Artoria.
>>285678909Francesca in the water... Can I please get a bikini shot...
>>285679739Jakku za rippa
Nasu is a hack for never giving us the Rin and GArcher sex scene
>>285680504Don't know what this is, but is leagues better than Apocrypha Jack.
>>285680687Strange Fake is essentially Apocrypha but good
>>285663867>The strongest...tasting McNugget.ORT solos.
>>285679666>
>>285676756It's like this.I am not an Artoria fan. HOWEVER. I will GLADLY vote for Artoria as Grand Saber over the absolute fucking joke that is FGO's Musashi.
>>285667512ORT even soloed ORT!>>285669323ORT outlived Camazotz tho, victory by endurance.
>>285680749It doesn't have Jeanne mental NTR, mindbreak and bullying tho
>>285680504>Berserker so crazy he become supersane.
>>285676756Arthur, because his storyline is already about dealing with Beasts and he's not a mascot.
>>285680795>>285680828Keep gacha trash out of the FSF threadThanks
The Strongest
>>285680834And Jeanne was a shit character in Apocrypha, so the point stands.
>>285680892Ain't she ded?..
>>285679478Shirou later calls her the strongest servant, surpassing Berserker
>>285680872Arthur has no storyline, he’s a scrapped character
>>285680917>And Jeanne was a shit characterShe's always a shit character. Her entire reason for existing in Fate is to be cucked (mentally), abused and preferably killed for drama. Well, that, and to drool over her summoner's cock.
>>285680877It's not my problem F/SF characters are so fucking WEAK.
>>285676756i was thinking of alternatives but i could only come up with funny ones like Damocles
>>285680924Shirou surely is the ultimate voice of reason and logic
>>285680387Only because of H*ra, just sissify and rape him like Omphale to get around her
>>285663867I don't care if she's the strongest or not, to me she's the prettiest and most precious and I'm willing to overlook any of her shortcomings or misdeeds.
if faRT is so strong then why doesn't he write himself into f/sf? checkmate
>>285680919Not yet
>>285681039Aw fuck. I had hoped it was finally over.
>>285681068
>>285680952Nasu did too in CM, fwiw
>>285680938He has a storyline. It happens mostly offscreen, we only know the broadstrokes, and it's not finished, but it IS a storyline.>Arthur gets summoned by the Anti-Christ who wants to summon the Beast of Revelation>Arthur turns out to be a little bitch so he allows her to get 99% of the way there>Changes his mind and tries to stop her, she manages to summon the Beast anyway>Defeats the Beast and kills the Anti-Christ>10 years later he's summoned by the Anti-Christ's imouto>Turns out the Anti-Christ is still alive>Repeat what happened last time>Arthur finally arrives at the entrance to Avalon>Denied entry by Merlin because the Anti-Christ and the Beast are STILL alive>Go around the world searching for them
>>285680951There really aren't that many famous swordsmen when you stop to think about it. Swords are usually sidearms after all.
>>285681039>>285681078The Director... Is too silly...
brown hebes must be protected
>>>/vg/555571524
>>285681039So the first ending didn't happen at all? And now Chortdea is in a time loop?
>>285679914Truth be told, Alcides makes more sense as a character than a heroic Herc considering the character's history.
>>285680951Khalid ibn al-Walid because Sword of Allah
>>285681092the reality of war is that commanders, usually on cavalry if they joined by themselves, played an outsized role in any waryou have to get into legit fairy tales to find swordsmen that are super impressive or play with technicalities like "yeah they had a sword and did things" or "this might be counted as a sword if we're creative"
Why yes my favorite character is always the one that is objectively the strongest.
>>285681136It happened, but Chaldea got trapped in the second before new year because they need to kill a Beast we do not know about (maybe V?)
>>285681137He could've been interesting if his seething felt genuinely unhinged and uncontrolled. It doesn't however, he's seething but he's perfectly in control and never tries to confront characters that he would lose to like Ishtar which just makes him edgy, not a real avenger. Hell, it might've been interesting if he approved of Gilgamesh due to his role in rejection of divinity but no, gotta push le epic F/SN reference rivalry even though it doesn't even make sense here.
>>285681201How could Herk kill this...
>>285681210Blame Hera
>>285681232Bro I don't know korean
>>285681249skill issue
Ayaka is femcel coded
>>285681253Useless language to learn
Is it true that the fake servants are not as strong as the real ones?
>>285681264I hope she smells
>>285680951>summon the sword of damocles as a saber>it's just a disembodied sword that hovers over enemy servants>it can fall at any time, especially if they held onto great power in their lives>if it falls it doesn't just hurt them but sends their luck into the shitter
Enough about strongWho are some actually weak servants?
>>285681294Emiya
>>285681294Karna because he has negative plot armor
>>285681294Most casters
Would summoning Death/The Grim Reaper as a servant result in anything significantly different from Pale Rider? I imagine the robed skellington has to be in the throne somewhere.
>>285681294Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
>>285681358no, pale rider already represents death
>>285681294Enkidu is literally incapable of winning. He only "stalemated" Gilgamesh in their legend so now no matter how much stronger than their opponent they are in theory, they can only match "them"
>>285681358It'd be a different aspect of Death. Death is a hugely varied concept. Pale Rider is Death in its form of Disease which rides on man and beast and wind. The Grim Reaper might be its Caster form, reaping with the passage of time, Death in its form of old age.
>>285681398Then I suppose the better question is if Pale Rider will stay a blob for the entirety of S/F or if he'll take on his Book of Relevation appearance in the climax.>>285681463Well, maybe? If it were, it probably could not be summoned as Pale Rider since he's only qualified as the Rider class (though that could just be retconned to be frank). Though at that point it's a technicality like how Alcides doesn't qualify for Berserker despite him literally being Hercules.
>>285681490He'll stay a blob, assuming he even reappears ever agian
>>285681358Discworld Death would make for one hell of a Servant. Dude literally has scythe so sharp it cuts time, space and 4th wall.Also, his interactions with other servants would be just peak schizophrenia
>>285681463Caster Death is unironically a cool pick for Grand Caster. Too bad that will never happen.
>>285681490>>285681496His last shape was described as being like a small toy horse. He definitely has at least one more scene in him to bid farewell to Tsubaki, but I don't think it's been signaled that he's going to have any more action scenes.
>>285681336Why the hell are they in Peru?
>>285681568Why aren't you?
>>285681556that toy horse could kill alcides btw
>>285681622A random cop can kill Alcides this is not impressive
>>285681568peru es clave
>>285678909>Sigma looking at Tsubaki playing with Tine and the WolfWhat a good dad
>>285679317Sigma was experimented on and frozen in his teen yearsAccording to Prelati, he'll look like that until his 30s and then turn to dust
>>285678909sigma is so small...imagine manhandling his tiny grown man body haha
>>285675351Holy crap that sounds amazing
>>285677985>Since whenUBW anime, Nasu decided godhand was too broken and "reworked it"
>>285676124Siegfried is explicitly one of the strongest sabers you could summon. Atalanta hurt him because that was her strongest shot from the bow and even then he got up soon after without visible damage.>>285677009He is a supertank. The weird part is that Armor of Fafnir on paper should be worse than Kavacha Kundala that is damage reduction. In practice the LN points out that Siegfried is a bit behind in skill but a bit above in sturdiness than Karna.
>>285682228It's a very fun mangaCheck out Beowulf's Santoryu
>>285679820The same reason the Einzberns debuffed him. Full power Herc was prepared to kill himself 3 times with command seals before killing his master in FSF. In FSN if he was summoned with his sanity, one look at Illya would have made him kill everyone else in the castle.
>>285676886In theory yes but it's a leaf-sized spot. Mats point out that there are few heroes that can do the trick of scoring a hit there, as it should since stabbing someone in the back is easier said than done even for assassins as Presence Concealment drops when they attack.Same for Achilles, everyone knows the heel is his weakpoint. Hitting him there is easier said than done.But Apocrypha was a battle of factions, Vlad knew that there was a good likelihood someone else could do the blow while he was engaged in combat.
>>285679820>steamroll the war with Archer HeraklesGil can just Enkidu him. He also doesn't have the Berserker stats to break it.
>>285679820Same reason the Mage Association gave Kairi a vague Round Table catalyst.On paper, it's wonderful to summon a powerful servant. In practice, the concept of medieval honor and the like stands in your way.That's why Kiritsugu had to act independently from Artoria assassinating the enemy masters. Archer Herk would be the same, he wouldn't cross lines but they wanted someone that would.Berserker Herk is super obedient, ArcherVenger Alcides has to problems with it.And one of the servants in that HGW is the Pale Rider, with a child for a master. Which one sounds like the easier target?
>>285682483no problems*
Fate Siegfried looks so cool and I'm sad they wasted him in Apocrypha and turned into the sumanai meme in FGO.
>>285682463Trapping an intelligent Heracles in Enkidu would be much harder. His saber version ight have trouble dealing with it, but it would be a joke against his archer version.
Sucks that I got into this thread so late. I would have loved to discuss more about the servants with armor like Siegfried, Achilles and Karna.>>285682539I'm happy. I actually thought that too. And for years at that. But after Traum I feel vindicated. I finally got a good showing of his capabilities. Both in single and in multiple combat.I really wish Higashide could do something like Apocrypha again. It does feel like he knows he botched it up, which is why he tends to give those servants a good showing in FGO.
>>285682577Much harder? He'll have lower stats.
>>285682539Siegfried got to shine in Traum and got his goth gf, he's doing pretty good all things considered.
For me it was Vlad. Now THIS is something I wanted of him in Apocrypha. Full use of tactical skills from the guy that fought and won with colossal numerical disadvantages.
>>285682617He also won't oonga boonga charge right into it, which is the most common way it traps you. Same with Iskandar in Zero. Archer staying at range and firing the strongest arrows of any servant would be a harder matchup against Gil than berserker.
Apo's biggest problem is that it undoes its own hook before it even startsPeople would probably be more forgiving of Sieg if one side hadn't been basically eliminated before the HGW even startedAlso, and this is personal, I feel like Fiore's character arc is dumb and nonsensical and she deserved a better one
>>285682648Gil has equivalent if not superior range if it comes down to it, he has shown he can just open GoB portals into singularities and travel through them. So it doesn't really matter how far away Herc is when chain portals can be opened near him anyway.
>>285682651Agreed. You know one criticism I whole agree is that they had a really good cast there, but vast majority was poorly used.Higashide may have been throwing a bone to the servants and Sieg, but while Caules got to be Waver's student and appear later, Fiore was completely shelved away.
>>285682651A lot of apoc is squandering its own potential.>throwing away siegfried for sieg>throwing away mordred/kairi for jeanne>throwing away vlad for amakusaI blame Jeanne for most of the damage. There are rumors that Nasu forced Higashide to include a romance, which would definitely explain a lot of it. Still it's no reason Sieg had to be such a shit character. Ironically Astolfo gets a lot of hate too, but I thought he was alright in apoc, and the fucking meme around him treated him like a completely different character.
>>285682739booba
>>285682746>I blame Jeanne for most of the damage. There are rumors that Nasu forced Higashide to include a romanceAnon, this comes from an interview that turned out to not exist and to have been made up by the "translator"
>>285682807Yeah I figured, but it's fun to spread misinformation on something you hate.
>>285682739>Archer of Black was gonna be David, a king>Fiore is the Master of Archer in the Black Team>Inherits a leadership positionCould've been fun to see that interaction
>>285682651Covering an idea as ambitious as a mega holy grail war with 14 masters and 14 servants on each side in just 5 volumes was a mistake.
>>285682762Bigger than Nero
Come to think of it, Apo was probably the start of Fate becoming almost entirely about the Servants
>>285682894It was the start of fate treating the HGW as the plot itself, not understanding that it was just supposed to be the premise of a character-driven story.
>>285682894Such irony that servants are what people want the most, but they shine the most with a paired master
>>285683114>Rico>Not Ricardo>Javier>Not Enrique
>>285683162it's Tom, Dick and Harry, retard
>>285683195Yeah, and the Spanish equivalents to Dick (Richard) and Harry are Ricardo and Enrique
>>285681140Historic conquerors are usually mid servants. See Caesar, Iskander, and Napoleon.
>>285683354blame the shitty translators then
>>285683469Caesar is probably stronger outside of the Saber class. He wasn't exactly famous for killing dudes with a sword.
>>285683469Iskander is a mid tier servant?
>>285683668>Irrelevant CQC ability>Chariot is actual ass>Reality Marble realistically useless against any top tierHe's not top tier, that's for sure
>>285683668He's not, he's meant to be strong but just got power crept because the franchise has gotten out of control at this point. I think it's clear when he was introduced that he was intended to be at least on Artoria's level.
>>285683469>>285683668>>285683704Iskander is strong enough to overpower Altera when he is serious, and the Moon Cell considers him a top-Servant.There is no way he is mid-tier
>>285683704The moment summoning an army stopped being a strong ability and started being considered pushover-tier was the moment Fate jumped the shark on powerlevel shit.
>>285683948>Summons an army>anti-army NP's have already existed in the original VNJust because Butcher was a retard doesn't mean Iskandar was ever that impressive, unless people are wowed by loud retards
>>285683791>overpower Altera without his armyThis makes 0 sense.
>>285681490Isn't strange fake Pale Rider unrelated to the Book of Revelations one?
>>285684101No, he's Death. Like, the actual horseman.
>>285683968To be fair, most Anti-Army NPs back then were the equivalent of missiles and lines, stuff you could prepare against.Somewhere at EXTRA they started the widespread ones like Galatine and those are a big fuck you to an army.
>>285682617He has higher stats than Alcides and his skills wouldn't be degraded anymore.
>>285682851Honestly. it's little surprise Higashide cut out half of the masters, but it really is a shame.
>>285684040He's got fame and the divine (retroactive) blood of Zeus running through his veins. That's enough to pull off miracles.
>>285683668He's a bit of an all or nothing. Coin flip servants are untrustworthy.
>>285684040Via Expugnatio is an A+ rank Noble Phantasm all on its own you know.
>>285684101No, that's exactly who he is. His Noble Phantasm is even Sword, Hunger, Plague, Beast. (Revelation 6:8).
