is this the most pretentious pseudshit?
>>285698876I love this pretentious pseudshit
Uncontested list of Nasu's best stories>Kara no Kyoukai 5 Paradox Spiral>Tsukihime Arc and Ciel Route (two sides of the same coin)>Tsukihime Hisui and Kohaku route (two sides of the same coin)>Fate UBW Route>Fate HF Route>CCC Gil route>LB6Uncontested list of Nasu's worst stories>Melty Blood >Fate Saber route>Most of Extra>Most of FGO>Extella>Last Encore
>>285698876Tell me anything with the same vibe.
>>285698876The first movie filtered me
>>285702595Which one, the flying ghost? Yeah, that confused me at first.It's better to watch the movies chronologically.2, 4, 3, 1, 5, 6, (Remix,) 7, Epilogue
100%, but Paradox Spiral is still amazing
It's not pretentious at all, it's a simple love story anything more than that is superfluous fluff.I don't get why people glaze about the Paradox Spiral so much when Murder Speculation is way better.
>>285698876Read the novels nigga
>>285698876Its notYou just stupid
>>285698876it's chuuni in a bad waymovie 5 was the best
>>2857030652 is my favorite as well.
>>285698876Steinsgate exists
>>285698876What ia pretentious about this? Maybe the epilogue
>>285698876most of em i can tolerate when 5 zooms out and they reveal it all took place in a big penis shaped tower I just rage quit the movie
>>285698876no, it's actually quit straightforward>>285702632no it isn't
>>285699123>Melty Blood>worst
>>285698876truly the nier of animuI like both
>>285698876It was trashOnly good parts were Fujino and Touko
>>285698876The anime itself has about 10% good stuff and 90% pseud filler. The Ongakushu (OST compilation album) and Seventh Heaven (ED album), especially Sprinter were best part of the anime, worth watching at least once just for the OST and then keep listening the music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1wTjmO7XOM&t=617shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okkzd3FLYJo
They were great movies.Except the epilogue where they just talk. That was horse shit.
>>285705646meant to post Sprinterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edSaT8e65oQ
>>285705692The 6th movie was shittier
>>285702548Boogiepop Phantom.>>285702632What's confusing about it? It's really straightforward. The Epilogue is the only part that's needlessly obscure. Though perhaps that's just because of the translation.
Was this scene really necessary?
>>285705982Feminine Shiki is treasure.
>>285705982If only I could have been born as a cup of häagen-dazs...
Bump for Ryougi.
Seeing ufotable go from those movies to demon slayer is like seeing a top class chef just make mcdonald's meals.
>>285698876You're going to quickly learn that TM shit really is shit except for fate grand order and the fate route.And even in fate grand order, the worst shit will always be either a collab, extraverse related, sakura related, or whatever makes Nasu go full chuuni autism.
Mirai Fukuin has one of the best cinematography work of all time in all of the cinema.Don't (You) me.
>>285703065>I don't get why people glaze about the Paradox Spiral so much1)unironically because it's a genuine kino2)ironically because it removes Shiki from the screen in the beginning for like 60% of the screentime
>>285699123>Tsukihime Arc and Ciel Route (two sides of the same coin)Bssed if your talking about the original routes.
>>285698876Surprisingly not. It's a very strongly humanist story. Like, I thought it would be incomprehensible chuuni babble, but the through-line of the story is very simple.Mikiya represents humanity, and he's Zen as fuck. Araya represents the primordial chaos of the occult world and Shiki is pulled between the two of them. Ultimately she finds an equilibrium on the side of 'humanity' despite the temptations of the other side. I mean, you probably already know this, but that's more-or-less what's going on.
>>285698876It is peak in terms of presentation and style. Yeah, outside of 5, 2/3/4, it's kind of pretentious. But it's the fun type of pretentious. It unironically doesn't preach at you, it's nasuverse schizobabble at it's best
>strange slop getting 600+ posts and reaching bump limit>KnK thread up for a full daywe live in hell
>>285705959Boogiepop is great but it's more about the ambiance than the urban fantasy. Tsukihime is probably the closest in vibe and aesthetic but it's never been adapted to a good anime
>>285702632>>285702595>>285705959The first movie is only confusing because it plays on established character dynamics rather than because of the ghost girl (who is irrelevant and is only a foray into the nature of origins and espers in the nasuverse)
>>285710457What do you want to talk about it?I'm interested in God's Body Parts and Demons but they're all stuff I haven't read.
>>285703065>Set from the perspective of someone unassuming and new but integral to the plot>Actual Mage Kino, straight up. The most actual magic in any Nasu-work>Greatest soundtrack>Gives context for the entire series>individually well composed and doesn't require any additional works to enjoy
>>285710866anything that isn't fateor secretly some ancient technology from another universe or outside timei want the real nasuverse back dammit>muh notesfuck offhe moved on to modern fantasy after that flopped
>>285710893a shame nasu never goes into how magecraft actually works and is far more willing to dump sci-fi not!magic into the trashheap his setting has becomeand if one of you faggots brings up sanda....
>>285710866>>285710457I'd be surprised if there is anything to talk in this movie anymore, it's old but it also isn't so complex if you've seen Nasu's other works while not being niche like Notes or some other weird setting
>>285710968The theory of the counterforce setting the whole thing into motion
>>285710962You're supposed to get much more of an exploration into it with Mahoyo and "girls works" which was a type moon original anime that hasn't been released yet by Ufo. But yeah, Mages functioning as a backdrop in the setting kind of blows considering those guys, dead apostles, and the church are the most interesting parts of the setting. I love Fate, but servant shit is overdone and boring
>>285699123Except this is missing Nasu's actual best story, Notes.
>>285710999Mahoyo has Aoko, who is a trash magus and capital M Magic spammer, and Alice, who is also a trash magus.Touko does all the absurd shit and the best given is she just hijacks other people's shit.there is no actual explanation for magecrafts actual mechanics given we haven't learned before (self-hypnotization, based in native belief for some types, and other basic general shit every mage can do for some reason)
>>285710985I love the way the counterforce works in KnK compared to Fate and Tsuki. Since there are no Earth spirits or Counter guardians to fuck shit up for the planet, it just straight up fucks with the physics until some desired outcome comes about. I guess technically you can consider VOID a pseudo Earth spirit as the root and alaya/gaia are intrinsically connected, but it's still kinda weird. I would assume that had Araya not tried to force Shiki into reaching the root via her origin the counterforce wouldn't have fucked with the elevator. I don't think it was responsible for Enjou's independence though, that seemed more like Araya's folly in making complex machinery without performing maintenance himself
>>285711108I find it very suspect but it is an interesting thought that everything played out that way because of it.
>>285711068You're sort of supposed to just guess at how it works from all the other supplementary material. Nasu has a sort of lore bible he uses and gives out for spin-off writers that contributes to the setting consistency for shit like elements, magecraft, origins, but because it's too autistic to parse properly it gets ignored.Funny enough, Canaan is another nasuverse work that has mystic eyes
>>285711137It's a valid interpretation too, the counterforce is so vague that anything from Araya's overconfidence to the malfunctioning elevator to the repeating cycles degrading can just be a function of the counterforce as well. It is everything and nothing at the same time, just like the Root though this interpretation is a little bit pretentious desu. I do enjoy Nasu's pretentious writing when it comes to Mages spouting off shit that doesn't make sense the same way it happens in Evangelion
>>285711188no shitand i'm not going to take the likes of sanda, sakurai, and narita for it when nasu's just going to do his own thing better than them anywaycanaan's synasthasia was more a kind of magic than mystic eyes
what's the watch order for this?
>>285711230>>285702632
>>285711230release order
>>285711225True enough, I still enjoyed Canaan though. It was interesting though still a bit pretentious.>>285711230Two ways, release order (1,2,3,4,5,6,7, Epilogue, 8) and chronological order (2,4,3,6,1,5, 7, epilogue) 8 takes place both before and after 7 and the epilogue so just leave it for last as it spoils some developments.Alternatively I'd like to propose an arc based viewing experience, 3,6,1,5, then 2,4,7, then epilogue as those are two concurrent mysteries running in the background until 7.
>>285710457You're tired of reading, aren't you? I'm tired too. This is not worth your time. It's time to stop reading. It's okay. It's over. ...Anon.
>>285711598If FGO literally just held itself back from the events and all the stupid schizobabble between story arcs it actually would be pretty kino
>>285711242>>285711261>>285711391LN it is then.
>>285711598knowing he actually played E33 makes this so much funnier>>285711647Being written by a different person each chapter didn't do it any favors.Not to mention Sakurai being so goddamn trash they had to stop saying whoever wrote it because everyone would shit on her.
>>285711673The anime is extremely stylish though, but you miss out a lot of Nasu's flowery prose and some of the intricate details. Honestly, I prefer the anime
>>285711696Fair enough, though Nasu still wrote the outline for the story iirc. He was just particularly autistic about his favorite parts of the lore like ORT and MEoDP
>>285711853Of course he would be. He's building him up for over twenty fucking years at this point. If only he bothered finishing Tsukire in that time.
>>285711885I wonder why he's so slow despite his interest in writing more shit? It surely can't be just video games
>>285712205He's old. Maybe his brain is turning to mush like Toriyama's. Either that or he's writing more side shit no one asked for like GRRM
>>285712249I trust, he's workshopping his magnum opus of schizokino the red garden Tsuki remake and the Fate/ remake Though I desperately hope we'll get one more original IP out of him
>>285712319He peaked with Ataraxia, anon. It's over. The Nasuverse died a long time ago.
>>285698876Probably. Nasu wrote it in high school and it certainly shows. It's kind of surreal seeing this kind of juvenile drivel animated with state of art production values by Ufotable.
>>285712396I liked that one Russian anon reading KnK in Japanese and commenting on how stupid Touko actually is because she says even more vague nonsensical shit in the LN
>>285712364Ataraxia was great but I think Witch on the Holy Night was likewise good>>285712440That's part of the Touko appeal. What she's saying is nonsense and yet it's the sort of nonsense that actually ties into the story. It's like if a schizophrenic hobo told you that the sky will fall on the third sundown and that you should turn right instead of left and then you narrowly miss something flying out of a window three days after. It's good nonsense, even if it is pseudo-intellectual drivel
>>285712532Mahoyo is brought down by Alice and Aoko being too of the most unbearable bitches I wouldn't give a fuck about if they were tortured, raped, and murdered. Mountain man is just another mountain man but less of an edgy mountain man. I never cared for Touko either.So the entire thing is like one big drag waiting for shit to actually happen because I couldn't care what these fags' slice of life actually looks like
>>285712659Aoko a cute. Alice I'm indifferent on. I read it for Touko though. Fuck I love Touko, the smug bitch that she is.
>>285705959>What's confusing about it? It's really straightforward.It offscreens the actual narrative crux of the movie (Mikiya going to the building and getting his soul stolen) so it can wax pretentious rhetoric about the difference between flying and floating and namedrop random concepts like "Akashic records". And even the original novel got absolutely ripped to shreds by a professional literature reviewer for Nasu's tendency of talking out of his ass to appear profound:https://tsukikan.com/misc/a-review-of-kara-no-kyoukai
>>285712787kek
>>285712787I read this for an english critique until he busted out the kanjinasubros...
>>285712787This is fucking brutal
>>285705982Yes
>>285713070the wrong shiki died in that car crash
>>285712787The first book was not the most well written yeah but it wasn't confusing desu. The philosophical discussion between flying and floating is actually pretty interesting but yes there is a lot of nonsense dribble. Professional literature reviewers might just be low IQ though
>>285712787>The answer is that the author thought that would make it easier for the incidents to be played up as "suggestive," and that the decisive tone would give readers the mistaken impression that Aozaki Touko is smart. In short, we could say that the intelligence level of the readers envisioned by the author is very low. From my point of view, Aozaki Touko is stupidity itself.rude
If this is pretentious to you then you must be some real brainlet. It's not deep and doesn't pretend it is, at most it just has Nasu's gibberish dialogue present in all TM works. If you want to know what pretentious is like, look at western evangelion fans.
>>285713319>>285713446take the l, please
>>285713449>It's not deep and doesn't pretend it is,lollmao>look at western evangelion fansthem being more pretentious doesn't stop this from being pretentious anon
>>285713446>>285713463Aozaki is smart (in magecraft only) so it makes sense she would just spout nonsense expecting you to get it. It's no different from smart characters like in Jurassic Park except this is literal wizardry. Failure to understand this is either just low IQ or purposefully ignoring that it's an urban fantasy setting with literal wizards
>>285713600how the fuck can you unironically say this?
>>285712787>that reviewDayyyuuuummmm!
>>285713617Except Touko is a literal wizard, she also very much doesn't do that. She just spouts shit from her degree in bullshitology that is native to the setting and has no bearing on the plot
>>285713971oh my god
>>285699123>Nasu's best stories>Fate UBW Route>Fate HF Route>Nasu's worst stories>Fate Saber routeAbsolute dogshit taste.
>>285698876It's not pretentious at all, with the exception of the first movie/novel.The rest boils down to cut dialogue, poor translation, and random lore that loses its meaning both thematically and in terms of world-building.But the rest is quite straightforward with the story it tries to tell.I highly recommend reading the novels, or at least chapter 5. Despite the movies being quite good, the content that was cut was quite rich, especially when the lore was mixed with the story's themes.https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Bou4JEAVgfSQZUlFRv_nC-Ot-d95lE5Z
>>285711230Release order, chronological makes no sense.
>>285713070Why is Azaka so unpopular? She's probably the least talked about female character who's not from some dumb spinoff series.
>>285716888probably because contrary to popular degenerate belief, incest is gross
>>285716888Nice trips>incest>annoying imouto>legitimately nerfed by Nasu for no reason (0 Magic Circuits)>carried by gauntlet>no mystic eyes during the mystic eyes series>origin actually contributes to nothing unlike every other character who's origin is mentionedShe's not quite just a plot device because her snarky attitude and jealousy of Shiki is funny but she's also not really all that interesting. She's underused, certainly
>>285717054whaaat...her fire powers were all due to the glove being enchanted rather than Touko teaching her how to use her magic circuits?
>>285712787Damn
>>285717175Actually no, this is the real bullshit about Azaka. She has REAL firepowers through non-mystic eyes ESP related to the demon blood inside of her like with Shiki and Fujino. BUT the gauntlet allows her to channel her energy towards fire blasts. During her fight with the fairy bitch (also not a mage, btw) she fully unlocks her ESP. Technically still no Mystic eyes but we never find out about her later anyway. So it's actually half and half, her enchanted gloves allow her to do Mustang-bullshit for fire but she can innately control heat
>>285717414im glad nasu dropped the esp shit
>>285717414The Cocteaus have demon blood!?
>>285717561Fujino literally has it
>>285717414Also I thought ESP meant extrasensory perception. Not that you are a literal X-Man who can control heat through supernatural means.
>>285717576the point is its confined to knk
>>285717604It's urban fantasy bro, it's literal X-man every which way you swing it including Magik.>>285717561>>285717613Technically Tsukihime also has it>>285717567Yeah, ESP is sort of a result of this
>>285698876Yes, as much as I love Nasu's chuuni, this shit was on another level. I couldn't get into it, hard to follow.
>>285717834Fair, though it becomes more sensible in the context of 5 and 7 showing Araya's bullshit machinations and false promises. It's some funky but genius perspective on Araya as a whole done early. A bit too early though as Araya was a late addition
>>285710893mahoyo has more magecraft in alice vs touko than all of paradox spiral
>>285713446Dirty Redtard
>>285720200Mahoyo was also cancer to get into before a few years ago and a bit niche
>>285698876nothing about it is pretentious or deep. how are you getting filtered, retard?
>>285720749>yapping nonsense for 30 minutes to her boyfriend who just stands there>not pretentious
>>285720889Void Shiki is god explaining shit to her tulpa's boyfriend, actually
>>285720962When Cocteau clapped those bony cheeks, did the entire universe feel it, too? Did he fuck the cosmos itself?
>>285721008Probably, I don't think they had sex until after Void introduced herself. Makes sense Shiki was such a schizoid, she was denied the dicking
>>285721076That scene where she tells him to sleep at her place that night and it just cuts to her waking up in the middle of the night while looking angrily at his sleeping body is pure gold.
>>285721096Mikiya was too pure for his own good. Saw a girl commit suicide and decided to get a job to support her (despite her rich family). No wonder all the girls and Lio thirsted for him
>>285721008idk but it produced the finest offspringZAMN
>>285721008>Bony
>>285721500>fanartShe might just be the most realistically japanese TM heroine. She's practically an anthropomorphic ironing board.
>>285721338>Hire a psychotic serial bomber as your daughter's tutorWhat the fuck is wrong Shiki and Mikiya? I know Shiki is a mob boss or something but it's still kind of crazy
>>285721948Wasn't he only in it for the money? And he lost his mystic eye after his encounter with Ryougi anyway.
>>285721719Asians can have asses, anon. Stop being racisthttps://files.catbox.moe/9dhjch.webm
>>285721008On a second thought, the truth probably involved a lot less clapping of cheeks and far more riding. I just can't mentally picture Mikiya being the aggressor.
>>285722189lol
>>285721719>make Ciel half-Japanese>is like three curry buns>never show it because they don't know how to draw asses
>>285722332If only 2026 Nasu could be brave enough to specify how many curry buns can you fit into a heroine's asshole comfortably like his 2001 self could...
>>285722007This does not prevent him from being a psychotic serial killer
>>285721500She doesn't look like that
>>285724781That's when her male self is still inside her.
>>285724804the superior shiki
>>285724781ufo are cunnyseurs?
>>285698876Would it be better if Shiki Tohno was their son instead of the Shikis being mutually exclusive and only being able to exist in separate timelines?
>>285725077>would it be better if Tohno is their sonThat would imply Shiki's family get slaughtered.
>>285722852Wasn't he just a kill for hire? He wasn't killling randoms for pleasure, not really any morally worse than a mobster.
>>285725077Not really because then you'd have people eternally seething at Ryougi being killed off by Kouma
>>285724781Thigh gap? That's more like a thigh canyon.
best sound track
>>285698876this series was the peak of type moon ufotable
Why does Azaka look like Rin...? Is she another Tohsaka offshoot like Waver?
>>285729314For me it's when she destroyed the trigger, that's a feast for the eyes.
>>285729314>that rhinothe cracks were already showing even then
>>285730998Well, she's proto-Tohsaka iirc.
