I wish the anime went floor to floor (1-75).The concept is so interesting I just wish they fleshed it out more.
>>285699309>Concept is interesting >The concept was being stuck in a virtual world and the only way to escape is to best the game>Concept promptly abandoned thanks to worst girl who single handedly changed the story with an interesting concept and premise to a boring generic rom com where the main character was basically neutered
>>285699392Yeah I agree with OP
>>285699309That's what Progressive is all about
>>285699597Whats that
>>285699309This was originally a short story one shot
>>285699655It's supposedly Aincrad arc covering what happened the first 25 floors. But seeing the current pace of the novels we may never get that far
>>285699655It was supposed to cover the first 25 floors but then became Asuna Sue the series.
>>285699597>>285699655It's what the Progressive BOOKS are about.The Progressive Anime lasted 1 (One) floor before timeskipping. And that one floor already had anime OC filler.
>>285699970>And that one floor already had anime OC filler.I'm still baffled at this. Really wonder what they were thinking, her addition fucked the plot so hard it basically became impossible to continue adapting Progressive.
>>285699970Considering this >>285699928 are the books still worth reading?
>>285699901Current pace?
>>285700235Yeah it's still pretty good. Kirito properly comes as a nerd, the only issue is the pedestal he puts Asuna on pretty quickly and then the pedestal Reki puts her on after a few books.Reki can't stand that his other girls are better.
>>285699309Progressive wins again.
>>285700249The Asuna sue thing>>285700272There are other girls the first 25 floors?
>>285700445I just googled Asuna Sue and cant find anything
>>285699392It felt like one of the few believable anime romances because the both of them were horny teens but also prisoners at their emotional limit.But yeah the story didn't have to totally change gears.
>>285700445Argo the Rat, whom you may remember from a cameo she has in the OG anime. She's a major character in Progressive.The dark Elf, Kizmel, is an NPC, Asuna's best friend, and Kirito's fiancee. Best girl.She's also 100% doomed to die.
>>285700550>an NPC>Kirito's fianceeNo wonder he was against using NPCs as bait in the later floors when other people don't think they're alive
>>285699392The story originally began with the 74th floor.All the stuff in-between the first and second floor was later written either for the LN or already for then WN but when the authorn begin writing SAO for the contest he only wrote about the 74th floor stuff, the 75th floor and the final fight there.Silica, Lizbeth and Sachi were later invented.The second episode with the first floor boss was anime original but the author later incorporated it into the progressive LNs.
>>285700550I seriously want to grab that breast from behind.
>>285700272It feels like a big retcon that he travels with Asuna after they defeated the first floor boss instead of never seeing each other again until the murder mystery.
>>285700096Leaves room for a proper anime remake in 15 years to keep milking the series when progressive is done
I recently learned that the artist of the most recent Progressive manga volumes (back in 2022) chose to stop early of his own accord. I still miss Kiseki Himura’s adaption.
>>285700235first couple dozen chapters, pretty much until you get to the elves >>285700272 is worth reading
>>285700407That's great.
>>285702394What happens after the elves that's not worth reading?
>>285702625it just drops in quality, there's nothing in particular
>>285700235The Progressive manga is outstanding up till at least the artist change. Haven't gotten around to checking how it held up afterward.>>285702312FFFUUUUUUUck, I really enjoyed his work on it. I paid money for volumes when I didn't have to. He was great at conveying action, humor, emotion, cuteness, and sexiness alike. I even heard the falconeer plot was manga-original, which is crazy because I can't imagine the elf arc or Kizmel's character without it.>>285702625Elf arc was really good. Haven't caught up to what happens after.
>>285703099Oh Himura stopped drawing the Progressive ages and ages ago (sadly). They'd basically been regularly changing artists, but then the last guy quit and there's been no life signals from the manga since.
>>285703133Yeah, I was devastated when he stopped. I didn't know it changed artists more times after that until dying, though. Fug.
>>285703099>>285703189Oh wait, now I see the tweet in >>285702312 isn't Kiseki, but a more-recent artist. In that case, I wouldn't be familiar with his work.
>>285703133I dropped it when Himura left. His art is what made the manga work. Didn't know it ended up being a revolving door of artists, though. Or that it's just dead now. What a shame.
>>285699970damn I was just thinking of watching the prog movies without having seen og aincrad, can ignore comfortably now knowing it's a1 fanfic
>>285703270I didn't even know there was more manga after Himura's until last year. I don't think any of the other artists were 'bad' (maybe a few bad spots here and there), but it just never matched up.
>>285700550art looks familiar but something seems off
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>>285703400I love it.
>>285699309>I wish the anime went floor to floor (1-75).thats what the Progressive LN and manga is for.IMO should have made it a real harem where realkurokenman picks up new pussy to segs every single level. then big orgy when they wake up, and everyone gets preggers, and Abe gives MC a medal for saving nippon population growth.
>>285703270>>285703340i like his lewd faces on Assuna.
>>285703453Agreed.
>>285703463Disagreed.
>>285703348it's like i have seen it somewhere sometime beforemaybe it was on mondaymaybe it was more blue
The anime should've kept Kirito's inner monologues like the one where he hyperfixates on how much bread or something he could possibly shove in his mouth
>>285700550Wait so....an NPC is his fianceeIs she...sentient?
>>285700927>It feels like a big retconIt is a big retcon. The author mentions it in the first volume of Progressive.
>>285705011Kirito is consistently freaked out at how sophisticated her AI seems to be compared to every other NPC. He even talks to her about the fact that he's not from Aincrad, and she explains her understanding of the Player lore.She is implied to be sentient, yes.
Why do people hate this show so much? There are MUCH worse series out there.Not to mention unlike other isekai protags Kirito actually wants to get home and is worried about others survival instead of fucking around doing SOL shit and unlike other harem protags remains loyal to his first waifu.
>>285705247Most people hate it cos YouTubers said so. YouTubers hate it because they think the Leafa arc is incest
>>285705303>think the Leafa arc is incestIt isn't?
>>285705319Suguha wishes it was.
>>285705319Leafa didn't realize Kirito was her cousin and backed off when she found out
>>285705380That's why it sucks
>>285705380female loneliness epidemic is self inflicted
>>285705247SAO is a flawed story that got really popular, which is something that would make anything a hate magnet. That said, it is frustrating how the haters have reduced Kirito to the archetypal generic isekai protagonist and SAO to the archetypal generic isekai story despite them being notably different from the norm. Because seriously, would it be asking too much for a show to at least be hated for what it actually is.
>>285705924IIRC people hated the sexual assaults and objectification of the female characters. Also that Asuna didn't do anything.
>>285705924>Because seriously, would it be asking too much for a show to at least be hated for what it actually is.That would actually require watching the show which would be too much to expect from most people
>>285705198What was Heathcliff thinking when he made her and only her of all NPCs sentient
>>285708874NTA, but while I never heard about the fiancée thing (maybe that’s in the LNs), she seemed to be a sort of glitched character, since she was supposed to do a suicide attack to defeat the enemy at the beginning of the quest, as the enemy is generally too tough for the levels they were all at, but Kirito and Asuna managed to defeat that enemy instead. So maybe there was always that level of sophistication possible in the AI, but it’s just generally limited.
>>285709123Imagine being sentient but doomed to be bound to an NPC script forever. Would she have respawned for the next plot line? How would that feel like
>>285705380>backed off when she found outWrong!She doubled down!She only grudgingly accepted being a mistress after Asuna staked her claim.
>>285710189Yui exists
>>285703391>>285703400>>285703411These bother me. As they go against what the original novel described the game as. Something that actually gave the story some character.First, it was mentioned that the Aincrad's physics engine was far from great. And you couldn't "pick up" or "put down" items. You always had to equip/unequip them. So an enemy knocking off your weapon shuldn't be possible as originally described.Nor was water simulation that good. So stuff "splashing" in water wouldn't work.Annoying that author is not following his own worldbuilding.
>>285710370Wasn't Asuna locked up in a birdcage when Suguha found out? She didn't seem to be like in a position to be able to do anything about it
>>285710585Pretty sure you're wrong, Kirito picks up Leafa's katana in Fairy Dance.
>>285709123>So maybe there was always that level of sophistication possible in the AI, but it’s just generally limited.I think thats the implication because of Yue too. I think Kirito inner monologues describes some bosses as almost feeling like they are alive and not feeling like a generic npc mind at all.
>>285699309Yes, but then it would've take longer to get to best girl.
>>285711309Yeah. That scene is wrong too.
>>285711309That was a different game
>>285700272>Reki can't stand that his other girls are better.They're all bland save for true best girl.
>>285700872>The second episode with the first floor boss was anime original but the author later incorporated it into the progressive LNs.That wasn't anime original. The anime staff asked for something to fill the gap in the story between episode 1 and episode 3. So Kawahara went to write a short story they could use, but ended up writing more of a novella that was way more than they needed. That also kick started him into writing Progressive. So it was his work all along, and self-published by him before the anime aired.
>>285709123The fiancée thing is just that anon's wishful thinking. As for the sentience thing, it's not clear how sentient she actually is, but yeah it's sort of a glitch. She was originally just supposed to be an NPC ally or enemy depending on your choices, then die at the end of the fight. Kirito and Asuna being way overleveled due to the whole deathgame thing meant she survived instead. NPCs in Aincrad had varying levels of AI to them, with most being heavily scripted with AI mostly limited to getting back on script. I believe Kizmel was one of the higher tiers of AI, and has been left running way longer than intended. Cardinal patched the fight with a different dark elf, made the death trigger no matter what, and provided a more generic NPC ally for other people doing the quest; but it's stuck keeping Kizmel online and updated for Kirito and Asuna. The result is she's a top down AI that's increasingly developing beyond her original parameters.
>>285710585>>285712978When does it mention you can't pick things up in SAO, I don't recall anything like that.
>>285713044It was a reskinned SAO which is why Kirito was able to duel wield.
>>285713599Good for her.
Kizmel boobs
>>285716879Kizmel boobs!
>>285716879>>285717149
Remember that random SAO unnamed project trailer? What's going on with that?
>>285703311Considering that there's a GGO spinoff, it's incredible they haven't made a proper Aincrad spinoff yet.
>>285717700Wasn't there supposed to be a live action?
>>285705247it got really stupidly popularsame thing's happening to frieren right now, and you can bet your ass it'll keep happening to many more random shows with exciting premises but mediocre executions in the future
>>285717539I am so fucking lonely.
>>285705247It's a hate magnet because it has good hooks and ruins them with bad characters and plot contrivances. So it got really popular from the hook drawing people in, but then it failed to payoff. Western shows do this occasionally too - was it Game of Thrones that shit the bed at the end recently? Basically you get people pulled in, invested, then shit the bed and everyone ends up pissed. Worse shows have bad hooks and never draw people in. So you can't hate what you don't know right? This is why actual garbage won't attract hate - it smelled like garbage from the start and no one invested in it. Also why shows that hook good and pay off good also get glowing reviews and no one hates them. >>285705303For your post to be true, they'd need to post a think piece BEFORE the anime aired or during it telling everyone to hate it - to which would need people to react and hate the series while it is airing. Otherwise anything posted after a series is done is postmortem analysis on how people felt about it. This is only true for EP1-3 shock bits like Goblin Slayer or Redo of Healer where plebbitors and twitterati gave it the big red X for do not watch.
Clover's Regret anime when?
>>285713599Something something a heart is so much more than any system
>>285721577not everyone watches things while it airs, sao was over a decade ago. people can still parrot youtubers opinions even after the series is over while not bothering to watch it themselves convinced that it's just bad
>>285699392>>285699309You people don't understand the concept at all.The series is entirely about the sociocultural repercussions and philosophical implications of the NerveGear technology. The whole point of the Aincrad arc is that the characters are put into a world so realistic (sense of smell, taste, sleep, permanent death, etc..) that for all intents and purposes it is the real world and they aren't just "playing" in it, they are actually truly living in it and falling in love and shit.Each new arc explores some other aspect of this technology. SAO is a full on deep exploration of this concept.>>285705924>>285705247>isekaiAll of the "isekai" that people talk about are actually narou-kei created by a community of amateur authors that started off writing fanfic based off of Familiar of Zero until the website banned fanfics. Those anime all originated around 2010 and started getting adapted into anime in the mid 2010s (Log Horizon being one of the first ones in 2013). Virtually every single modern isekai was created on that website by that community of amateur authors. The reason why they all have campy self-aware references where the protagonist is familiar with isekai stories and stuff is because the intended audience for this slop was other writers in that community.Sword Art Online was written back in 2001, almost a full decade before all of this. It was made shortly before the .hack//SIGN series, before MMORPGs reached Japan (because Japanese gamers didn't really play foreign PC games and mostly played console games). This was back when the "idea" of virtual reality and online gaming was still really new in Japan and people didn't really know what to expect from the future.
for me its Lisbeth
>>285725511No deban
>>285725231>It was made shortly before the .hack//SIGN series, before MMORPGs reached Japan (because Japanese gamers didn't really play foreign PC games and mostly played console games)I agree with most of what you said but SAO does have influence from mmos like Ragnarok Online and lineage
>>285717700https://nitter.net/gamerturk95/status/2016857185062437303#mIn the bottom right corner at the end it says "Bandai Namco Entertainment" so it's probably a licensed game. Dude says it's "live action" but it's obviously CG.Bandai has published games by a bunch of devs using their SAO license. There's no telling who the dev behind the project is or anything.>>285719208Yeah, but it's Netflix gaijin slop made entirely by Americans, probably with no Japanese involvement or input.
Kizmel is kirito's wife
>>285725874>but SAO does have influence from mmos like Ragnarok Online and lineageRagnarok Online didn't come out until Mid 2002, and Japanese servers (ran by Gungho Entertainment) didn't come online until August 2002 for a beta test and didn't officially open up until December 2002.SAO's first arc was written from Winter 2001 to Spring 2002, before Ragnarok Online came out. It was then rewritten and put on a website between Fall and December of 2002.https://swordartonline.fandom.com/wiki/Web_Novel#Sword_Art_Online_2So, it's possible that it used ideas in the rewrite but it's kind of a stretch. The rest of the Aincrad arc was written throughout 2002-2003 and Fairy Dance is written in 2003. So it could have influenced those games.PC gaming did exist in Japan and some people did play foreign MMOs back then but it was (and to some extent is) still a fringe thing. The term for foreign games that are sold in the Japanese market is yoge (洋ゲー) and if you look at the wiki page you can kind of get a sense of the type of games that were popular. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/洋ゲーThe first major MMORPG in the Japanese market was Phantasy Star Online, and it was created specifically for the Japanese market to fill the vacuum of MMORPGs on console (since Japanese players primarily played on consoles).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasy_Star_OnlineI think it's far more likely that Phantasy Star Online could have influenced SAO, especially given the timeline, but even then the biggest critique of SAO by fans of MMORPGs is that it's not accurate to MMORPGs at all (and it's the reason many say Log Horizon did it better).Either way, this is still really early when the idea of what MMOs could be was kind of a thing people approached with wonder and wild ideas.
>>285714594Searching "equip" in volume 2 shows lots of sentences of people fiddling with their equipment.Then, there is this paragraph>In order to put on equipment and clothing, you needed to attach it on the mannequin in your status menu. SAO had difficulty modeling soft objects like cloth and liquids, so clothes were treated less like distinct objects to be interacted with, and more like an extension of the player’s body.
>>285726471But reading throught the search results gives me an impression that things have been wildly inconsistent from the beginning.The game is described as having not-great physics engine, and lots of actions cannot be "simulated" and need to happen with game-like system.But then, there are lots of people doing stuff like messing with clothes, weapons and liquids.
>>285726645>>285726471I think this comes up in the anime a few times as well, but I think it's not SAO itself but rather the NerveGear interface. I think this comes up as a plot point later on when they start using the Soul Translator which interfaces directly with one's Fluctlight. That the amount of data it can send to one's fluctlight is way higher so it is way more realistic.
>>285726896Whatever the limitation.I feel that forcing a game-like mechanics instead of just using physics gave the world some character. It wasn't just a generic fantasy world.
>>285727081I mean, that is a leadup to game mechanics. The item is "fumbled", but it still counts as "in player possession", and you can "materialize all items" to return it if it's just "fumbled", but not "snatched" or "abandoned".
>>285705247some things just get the short end of the sticksao was one of them
