How would you subvert the isekai genre?
Drop the MC into sci fi rather than fantasy
>>285721388Have it actually matter that the MC is from Earth rather than just using it to be lazy with introducing the setting
>>285721453Mass Effect or KOTOR setting then?
>>285721388I'd write a good story
>>285721485I was more thinking something along the line of one of those 80/90s sci fi anime, or maybe something like 40k with anime elements tacked on
>>285721655>That time I got reincarnated as an Astartes
>>285721710Would unironically do well. Imagine the kino of some faggot Jap office worker or high schooler suddenly awakening in a supersoldier body and having to keep up appearances while also not dying as his ship flits around the galaxy fighting various alien monsters
>>285721388First off, have the MC actually have a personality
>>285721388>subvertThank god you don't write.
>>285721751Utterly unbelievable if you know what those guys go through, the gimmick would go from interesting to annoyingly stupid real fucking quick He'd have to actually grow up from birth in the 40k universe
>>285721655>>285721710I thought you guys wanted good writing and then pick something with even worse writing than a regular isekai.
>>285721460Army of Darkness anime adaptation when
>>285721935Why is it worse?
A KEKsekai where the MC and his wife both get isekaied, but he is cursed by a goddess or something to have to constantly watch his wife get railed by all sorts of fantasy monsters and beings. Also she is blessed so that she gets pregnant and gives birth super fast so the couple has an ever growing menagerie of fantasy children to care for.
>>285721388
>>285721388Do a class isekai of a class like this.
>>285721388If you actually want subversion of isekai as a genre, then make it a story about the ones controlling the situation. Less about the adventures of people brought to the fantasy world, and more about the plans and plots of those bringing them there. Treat the summoned people and chess pieces in a game.
>>285721388Industrial Revolution setting.
>>285721388The premise of isekai is (usually) a shut in loser goes to another world and make the most of his second chance once given extraordinary powers- and he does make the most of it.However, what if in this new world all his unresolved psychological issues remain and he continues to remain mentally ill and paranoid despite being given so much powers? And consequently doesn't make the most of it. Other times he is given power, as well as status. Like imagine going from wagekek to being born into royalty.However, what if your naivete gets the best of you? Sure you defeat the Demon King, and now you are the King. You have the power and the harem. But having ascended at a young age, you are also naive and now surrounded by power-hungry nobles who know how to play the power game and manipulate others? The rest of the season follows the MC struggling with bad, self-serving advisors.
>>285721485Give Legacy
>>285721453>Drop the MC into sci fi rather than fantasywelcome to muvluv
>>28572202440k is the bottom of the barrel of writing, if you can call it that way, at most is a collection of throwaway ideas to sell toys, they may or not matter depending on whatever the current hires are trying to sell, it might be cool to engage with the retardation of it but that's about it.>>285721981I'm starting to feel you guys really don't care about the "writing"... this movie was great by the way.
>>285721460Good adaptation never.Sven Hassel is not isekai but it is dumb enough to fit animation better than ordinary film.
>>285722171>Treat the summoned people and chess pieces in a game.I liked the one about native knight tard-wrangling random isekaijins.
I want an anime where the MC is isekaied into Greek Mythology. And not any of the cynical or sanitised modern portrayals, but actual Greek mythology. Perhaps into the Trojan war or something. Maybe the MC wakes up as Paris and has to try and salvage his situation.
>>285721388Basically Isekai is escaping from our shitty world to a better one for a more fufilling adventure. Subverting the genre requires two paths: 1. Fixing our shitty world such that isekai is actually a step backwards and painful instead of freeing & fun like it usually is2. Making isekai worlds suck hard. 1 is anti-current world leaders, so making that would get you put on lists and killed or de-personed. So that throws that option out the window. 2 is basically all you get. So basically you could "subvert" the genre by isekai'ing the MC and cranking realism to 100%. MC is now a slave/serf on a feudalistic farm, toiling daily and that is the main day to day beat: MC gets exhausted, collapses for sleep into hay or some shit, eat gruel, repeat. Then for plot purposes MC gets conscripted to fight in some feudal war, gets dysentery and dies. Disappointing as a story right? That is what subversion gets you. The only way this crap sells is if you get some ESG moneybags to publish it.
>>285722521You could make a story where the MC actually wants to go back to his old life or at least reminisces his family and friends
>>285722069There actually is a manga where some potion master witch gets immortality and goes on a quest to fuck every monster imaginable.
>>285722521>1 is anti-current world leaders, so making that would get you put on lists and killed or de-personed. So that throws that option out the window. Dungeon black company got anime though.
>>285722570Yeah but does she have a sissy beta husband to NTR/NTS
>>285722546How about I just watch Inuyasha for the 6th time
>>285721388>isekai but in [place and situation that appeals to me]Spoiler, it also suck.>>285721453How sci fi though, Konosuba has a lot of machinery going around, what about an isekaijin that start to build a high tech civilization from scratch? After all the only thing that stop technology from doing all the crazy shit we see on fiction is the lack of a good source of power.
>>285722546This has been done multiple times. Just like every other idea to "subvert" it in this thread.
>>285722640"some machinery" my ass, nigga if they ain't in a fucking FTL space ship in Gamma quadrant 249 fighting the Glarkonions with beam sword mechs in the Intergalactic Space War of Star Date 9392 then it ain't a fucking sci-fi
>>285721388Basically an isekai world that has become too futuristic because of too many modern people being reincarnated so basically a mix of fantasy and sci-fi
>>285722650>every subversion has already been triedhave we tried playing it straight?
>>285722724At least a few times yes.
>>285721388a poor lowly goblin who was a nobody in his original fantasy world gets run over by a carriage and is reborn in our world where he can finally live his new life as the master of his own destiny wielding the greatest cheat skill this reality has to offer: rich parents
>>285722740welp, I'm out of ideas
>>285722640This is /a/, they mean science fantasy obviously. Laser swords and space wizards fighting 18th century naval battles on a 2D plane in space.See >>285722698 for confirmation.
>>2857213881. MC isn't special in any way other than being from another world. No cheat powers, no innate magical supremacy, no easily applicable skills that makes him/her a cut above the rest.2. MC actually wants to go BACK to their original world.3. No magical schools.4. Give it a unique art style.5. MC only has one, two if the first one dies, love interest(s) at most. 6. Write an interesting magic system that the MC can exploit due to having an outsider's perspective rather than just having vague power levels that make fights uninteresting wank-offs.
>>285722546There is already a few like that, both Korean and Japanese. The Korean ones get kind of nasty and do actually ruin the current world because sending a kid back with tons of power means world governments get shat on when some rando pisses the MC off or it turns out his parents got treated as crazy for thinking they were isekai'd and got socially ruined, kicking off a revenge story. "Hero Has Returned" is a good example of subverted isekai - the hero returns and destroys the modern world because it's so shitty. It's creator is probably on a list in Korea though.
>>285722744Problem with these kind of situations is that they wouldn't fit for an actual series and the MC not being "a good guy" simply wouldn't fly by, even if someone came up with this idea an editor would 100% change it.>but the goblin is a good guy!Then there's no purpose to the idea.
>>285722794there are several of these already made, and they still suck
>>2857223151) 'twas a joke, the serious suggestion was something with the style of 40k not 40k itself 2) I don't think you understand 40k3) 40k as a setting is not inherently something that requires bad writing, and a handful of the stories are actually pretty okay
>>285722767> This is /a/, they mean science fantasy obviously. Laser swords and space wizards fighting 18th century naval battles on a 2D plane in space.Hard sci fi could be cool too.
>>285721388Naroukei isn't going to be fixed as long as Shousetsuka ni Narou exists.
>>285722213Octopath Traveler II had a setting like that. Concurrent with the game's story, the steam engine is developed and by the time of Partitio's final chapter you have to fight a fucking prototype train.The Industrial Revolution and Classical eras are greatly untapped pools of potential for settings. The Japanese only default to Medieval/Renaissance Europe because that's the default due to Dragon Quest's influence on the fantasy genre in Japan.
>>285722794You are describing Healer Isekai, still a great OPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuhnEHkEO0s
>>285722744Make MC extra hateable yet someone who wants to survive.Drunkard murderhobo fatbastard improves his life to something respectable.Gets ran over by truck of peace and ends back to his own world as a human beggar.
>>285722835Not all 6 at the same time.
>>285722812>The Korean ones get kind of nasty and do actually ruin the current world because sending a kid back with tons of power means world governments get shat on when some randoI can think of few stories worse than an insecure Korean writing a glorious Korean revenge story upon the world for what Korea has "suffered"
It's pretty easy to subvert Isekai as a whole because your average Isekai is written so poorly that the Isekai framing is just a way to introduce the MC (who also has no distinctions from the other 1,000,000 Isekai MCs) and has no bearing on the story after the first chapter. If you write an actual Isekai story where the MC being from another world actually impacts how they'd react to the world/story, you'd have subverted the Isekai genre.The bar is that low.
>>285722856>Hard sci fi could be cool too.lmao
>>285722794Those are the "hard mode" isekai series. Arifureta (from common place to strongest) almost meets those requirements. MC is just some rando with weak ass abilities for the world, definitely wants to go back, there are no school arcs, and technically he has 1 love interest only till he is forced into harem later on. Shield Hero also qualifies because he gets a gimmick shit power that is a joke meme, literally a sick slave girl is more powerful than him. Also ZERO interest in any of the women who like him. Not sure if Garbage Hero qualifies, it's manga run is not long enough to be sure that it avoids a school or multiple love interests.
>>285723030Look up Orions Arm. Lots of decent concepts. You don’t need gay retarded Star Wars shit to make an interesting story
>>285723039All of those had potential that was squandered by the author striking gold and then being unable to deliver a follow up. Especially Shield Hero.
>>285723054>Look up Orions Arm
More reverse isekai where intelligent monsters are isekaid as salarymen, high school teachers or convenience store employees
Just make the MC visually distinct from other Isekai MCs and you're 40% of the way there already.
>>285722900Technically violates the "wants to go back" rule because while they do at the start, eventually they get attached and don't want to leave. AND he is literally trained in a magical school. TWICE. He gets instruction in one school, graduates, then runs off to ANOTHER magical school for a bit. So there are TWO training arcs. He does have 2 girls attached to him as love interests, but he's fucked neither, so I don't know how that counts.
>>285721388Downtrodden MC gets isekai'd into a new world, but through his personal faults and vices he ends up recreating the miserable state of affairs he wanted to escape from in the first place. Through flashbacks we eventually learn that even his downtrodden existence at the beginning of the story came about from his own poor choices. For the weird twist ending, hint at it that he was previously isekai'd into his "original" world and that he is about to be iskai'd yet again in the last scene, implying that he is doomed to forever repeat his mistakes and fail to improve as a person despite being given unlimited opportunities to do so.
>>285722993>If you write an actual Isekai story where the MC being from another world actually impacts how they'd react to the world/story, you'd have subverted the Isekai genreGene Wolfe's isekai novel did this.
>>285722256>(usually) a shut in loser goes to another worldThis is actually the least-used type of MC for isekai. But I guess I can't expect more from those who either only know 2 or so isekai or rely on hearsay/ecelebs for their "isekai knowledge".
>>285722794So the MC gets a love interest that he would do anything to get away from to go back home. Quality romance.
>>285723184A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court also does that. Most of the pioneers in the genre do it. There are so many pale imitations that the series that set the tone for the genre are no longer the standard.
>>285723254Having to make the tough choice between staying with your beloved or going back to where you belong would make for interesting character writing. If you wanted to take the easy way out, you could make the MC find a way to bring their love interest with them.
>>285723254People always ignore context for this conversation, though OP this time asked for something "different" people are just using it to go "thing X = bad, but thing O = good" like always.
Isekai where MC gets transported by a Goddess to defeat the typical demon lord slop. The goddess fucks up and makes him so OP that other gods consider him a threat to existence. The goddess goes down to the MC to try and fix shit but cant cause hes so OP he resists any stat changes. The godess' fuckup is found out and now she is also hunted by the gods. She uses her world transporting ability with the MC to try and escape the myriad of gods from every isekai world and non stop demon lords trying to kill them. They eventually end up back in present Japan and inadvertantly end up causing the coming of the 7 horsemen (isekai gods) and ruining the MCs original universe. Ends with nearly all gods dead and the MC and Goddess left on a post-apocalyptic earth to rebuild with his OP skills
>>285721388make japanese kappa mikey>isekai anime is an in universe anime>the characters are just actors that get into hijinks irl and occasionally learn a life lesson that becomes the isekai's episode>season 1 final has a genuine character get reversed isekai'd into their real life>season 2 has the cast get transported to fight the big bad for real but with none of the powers they had in the show>season 3 is a defacto epilogue season where the cast go on hijinks for a few episodes and eventually start going their separate ways
Easy subversion method: Make the Isekai world set in an underutilized time period. The Bronze Age, for example, is perfect for an Isekai setting.
>>285721388Everything i would even want to do has already been done.Subversion of isekai protag entitlement, there's a ton of those.Actually no cheat powers or plot armor? I've read a few of those too.No game mechanics or fantasy setting? Actually trying hard on the world building? Done and usually kind of annoying. They always give the vibe of a failed industry veteran trying the isekai thing that keeps outselling them out of disdain.
>>285723285Connecticut Yankee also has a lot of the same dumb trappings that modern isekai do>I remembered from my middle school textbooks that today in specifically 12 minutes there will be a total solar eclipse right here above britain for approximately 2 minutes>I used my expertise as a [something or other] worker and easily created dynamite and a working telephone power line that I told all the craftsman to set up across the entire country>I then crafted several flintock pistols and killed half of King Arthur's Court, blew up Merlin's stupid wizard tower, and became the most revered person in the entire kingdom in about 2 months
>>285723334It needs to work as a story to be a legitimate answer. No context was ignored it's up to the poster to defend their idea.
>>285721453You need to go one step further >fantasy character like an elf with powerful magic >drop them into sci fialso acceptable that you take an immortal elf like frieren that just lives to see humanity lose magic and become modern and then sci fiLike imagine an elf from the Third Age that for whatever reason didn't fade away
>>285723503It is a very stupid story
>>285723550On second thought, let's not go to isekai. Tis a silly place
>>285722744There is a reborn as a goblin series called Re:Monster. Not quite what you were describing, but I enjoyed it and would welcome more examples/attempts
>>285723339Your idea made me think of one: the reincarnated person is actually full of evil intentions and the Goddess is responsible for making amends but he's become too powerful now, even more than the Demon King.
>>285723541Any military fiction sci-fi (that is to say, sci-fi that isn't shit like I Robot, Flowers for Algernon, Permutation City, etc.) is so much stronger than the strongest magics there would be no point unless you were bringing them in to specifically be about how society is now so robust that individual power has lost meaning and ultimately cannot halt or even divert history alone anymore. Which could be interesting I suppose, but probably doesn't sound interesting to you at all I would assume.
>>285723614Too bad Re:Monsters becomes a harem in less than 30 episodes in
>>285723636I mean that's not true. Magic alone could allow for some really cool shit with space opera sci fi. Like imagine taking down shields or shit frieren literally pulls a black hole out of her ass
>>285721388thats easyjust more realism in general likeno magic bullshit to solve the basic shit like amenities >character almost dies of thirst because can't find a river >character has to build a toilet >character gets sick because of poor food choices and sleeping outside in generalessentially just survivor/stranded but isekai would be a fun twist
>>285723709That's not an increase in realism you're asking for, you just want castaway
>>285723636>>285723694>what is star wars
>>285723736thats still superior to your average isekai
>>285723764oh wait shit yeah wtf lol
>>285723769you could just do that in modern day, you don't even need isekai for that
>>285723694Pulling a black hole out of your ass isn't impressive, we know how to do that IRL. That's still in the realm of hard sci-fi, let alone the nonsense that Xeelee and the like pull. And space opera sees shields being brought down all the damn time. One person being able to bring down one shield means nothing in a battle of hundreds of thousands of ships. You need to willfully be writing science fantasy and have the conditions of the world be irrelevant/ignored in order for a single person's martial power to matter.Which many authors do already without having an elf with "magic".
>>285723769You say that like it's in any way notable Everything that you can remember the name of is probably better than your average isekai, unless you remember it specifically for how bad it is
>>285723808>isn't impressivealright buddy, show me your asshole
>>285721453He has sex and a harem.
>>285723835You wanna see my "black hole" huh?
>>285723857>haremIt's trash
>>285723788there's ways to do it >main character has magic but is very bad with it so he almost dies using it while trying to survive >different environments and animal
>>285723503I think I need to read it.John Carter of Mars is also fine but MC is some kind of forever living man that goes to mars where everyone is naked except for leather harness. He is stronger, faster and incomparably more experienced than everyone else.Western, scifi and fantasy go hand in hand and then we have dnd and power metal events.Apparently it has been influence to minor works known as superman, star wars, dune and conan the barbarian.
>>285721388The reincarnation was fake all along.
>>285723769There's actually a castaway isekai with an elf and a dragonkin
>>285723900set it in vaguely war-torn slavic country and you've got your MC dusting for landmines, hiding from pogroms, crawling through sewers to bypass blockades etc. while trying to survive General Winter and starvationSomeone please hire me
>>285721453>>285721460>>285723184Have none of you fags not watch escaflowne or anything other than isekai from the last 15 years/
>>285723925It was all just a prank?
>>285723769>isekai bad because I want something elseOk then, but your idea is not appealing at all, unless you meant from a comedic perspective, Sounan desu ka is great, but why would you ask for that in isekai?
>>285723925Wait so the twist is this guy just had fake memories of being from earth?How would you make that relevant?
>>285723687True. MC bangs a few of them if I recall, though!
>>285723808holy shit dude you had to have been shoved in a local a hundred times as a kid
>>285723961Your beliefs are your choice. Choose wisely
>>285723989Minor spelling mistake.
>>285723957>from the past 15 years It's been 15 years mate, when you compare to the age of the genre itself as a separate thing from just fantasy, that's just what the genre is now Not following that IS a subversion
>>285723962because the isekai aspect is usually solved in the very first episode then they all either turn into some shitty jrpg or town building bullshit with an usually overpowered mc
>>285721388Not have it be victim complex 'oh woe is me the world didn't see my GENIUS until I came to this underdeveloped world' nonsense and be an actual story about getting a second chance at life
Gordon Ramsey being teleported into medieval europe and setting up a food/hospice review service and berating all the locals for making shit food and piss-poor hotels
>>285723957>escaflowneThe worst isekai out there, why would you recommend that to anyone.
>>285724099Why the worst? It's one isekai where the MC actually feels human
fuck a person getting isekaiedI want to see an entire COUNTRYlet me see feudal japan or the roman empire just suddenly being in a magical world
>>285721388Drops MC in wild west setting and make them think that they just thrown towards the past, then proceed to reveal that actually it's not earth after all and in reality they're in a much more advanced civilization
>>285724125>Why the worst?Because this is a shitposting thread for sharteens to complain about an anime boogeyman? Dumbass.
>>285724054You'll lose your entire audience
>>285724097The locals then get pissed and he gets a visit from some "helpful" neighbors that "review" his face.
>>285722993>the MC (who also has no distinctions from the other 1,000,000 Isekai MCs)This is easy to refute by setting up the challenge that if most isekai MCs are "the same" you should be able to name a single pair of "identical" isekai MCs. I have asked that hundreds of times and the reply was either nothing or some retarded rambling about "w-well you know, t-they are EVERYWHERE! I-I don't need to spoon feed you, r-retard!" It should be so easy to answer, yet I haven't seen anyone do that, ever, making me believe that even the most "generic" isekai MCs are not "samey" enough that anyone ever dared to claim that they are 1:1 identical to another isekai MC.
>>285724128GATE is a copout answer, but it'll probably just turn into something similar to GATE
>>285724097I mean, if the idea is to come up with something actually new, why not a Messi isekai?
>>285724128So you want Overlord but way more autistic about social and economic issues
>>285724128It has already been done, more than once even. Yes, physically relocating the entire country.
>>285724125Just make your usual thread already man.
>>285724171aw hell yeah, Ancient Aztec Spokon with Messi
>>285724128>rome at its peak before it Julius rebelled>the borders just go into non earth places>the romans have their gods wake up and become the rulers of the nation>they are more like demi gods and guide rome against the rest of fantasy world and their gods and magic
the fact that .HACK hasn't been surpassed yet says a lot about the isekai genre as a whole
>>285724180Aren't you thinking of Log Horizon?
>>285723503You expect isekai haters to have read anything? especially books.
>>285724283well of course I do, I read it after all
>>285724228Eh...That's in the same ballpark I guess
Isekai is fucking boring
>>285724283Do you expect isekai enjoyers to be literate either?
>>285721388isekai the mc as a god of his new fantasy world where he has to decide how to interact with the people of his world.
>>285724283I haven't expected anything positive from the median /a/ poster since 2011. The only thing I expect is ignorance and a smug pride in that same ignorance.
>>285724302Catch me at the Ballpark but the ballpark got isekaied... what about different businesses getting isekaied? I can only think in Isekai Shokudo.
>>285724320With how absurdly strong some of these guys get in such short amounts of time, you could make a convincing case that this already exists and just isn't honest about it
>>285724052>because the isekai aspect is usually solved in the very first episodeIt's not. It's something that is likely reserved for the late stages of the story which the anime for most isekai probably will never cover, but that's a business problem about individual isekai's anime adaptations simply not lasting long enough, it's not a problem of the writing itself. But in general, what you are doing here is equivalent to whining that in Steins;Gate "Okabe seeing Kurisu's corpse in episode 1 is instantly resolved by her suddenly being fine soon afterwards" and you never having seen it be resolved because you dropped it because it hasn't been addressed again by episode 6 which is the arbitrary point in the story that you decided is the longest you consider acceptable to wait for the resolution, which makes no sense.
>>285724316The only people still reading novels are isekai and romcom lovers.Other fags can barely tolerate reading subs and that's why dubs are exploding in popularity.
>>285723961>>285723965I was thinking something along the idea of the Truman show. Guy believes he's been isekaied but it's all a TV show.
>>285724320New testament has already been written.And it was a mistake.
>>285721388I thought the "trendy" thing was shitting on anything nip that utilizes "subversion" with the phrase "dito yuu raiku itto?" or whatever? Or was that just limited to /v/?
>>285721388MC isn't the center of the universe and he's an actual person not a self-insert fantasy.
>>285724576that's probably just Kojima games
>>285724435No actually the reason we're not reading the novels is because the translations are done by people with no skill in the English language It's absolutely horrible to read, no matter how good the story actually is Isekai and romcom lovers are already people who thank anime studios for serving them a plate of shit and calling it chocolate cake, so they tolerate it
>>285724584There are surpricing amount of military fiction where MC is just luckier than others.It could work.If fantasy world actually used military for something other than just standing around as props.Won't happen because most anime is afraid of graphic violence.
>>285721388MC dies in the first few minutes of his adventure and now the Goddess has to find a new fantasy world to place him.Each episode she puts him in a new world and we watch how he fails and dies.It can be explained by the goddess making a mistake and bringing the wrong dead guy, then to avoid losing her job she has to find a good isekai where he will thrive, or at least stay alive.
>>285723857I like the way Japan makes dwarf women.
>>285724226Hack isn't isekai.>>285724700Already a thing.
>>285721388The entire world gets transported to another world but the main character, and the main character(and maybe side characters) journey is finding out where everyone went and why he/she got left behind.
>>285721388>SubvertOnly trannies like this.
>>285721388I feel like at this point just telling an actually sincere story would the subversion.
>>285721388I wouldn't. If people keep paying for slop, people deserve slop.
>>285721388Go bigger, isekai an whole section of a modern city into a magical medieval setting.
>>285724885That already exists. There is an isekai where the entirety of Japan, both people and land, got isekai'd. There's no anime of that yet though.
>>285724810>>285724863>>285724885Already a thing, next.
isekai my 13" cock into the Demon Queen's tight demon vagina
>>285725005If there's been a sincere story in the past dozen years I'd certainly love to be made aware of it
>>285724576>I thought the "trendy" thing was shitting on anything nip that utilizes "subversion" with the phrase "dito yuu raiku itto?" or whatever?It's okay when Japan does it
>>285725153define "sincere story".
>>285723458How about abolish slavery? John Brown but isekai
>>285725264I've seen that before in reincarnation but not isekai I guess.Technically original idea detected
>>285725220>define "the"come on now
>>285725220I'll make it simple. NOT DRAGON QUEST.
>>285724782I am assuming that you think GATE is the thing you are refereing to as a thing.I wasn't talking about modern military.And it is far from the meatgrinder that military fiction I was refereing to is.Even though it would be funny to drop modern military terminator style into isekai world and watch as they struggle in melee combat and in dungeons.From zero to something.
>>285725356What's insincere about Dragon Quest?
>>285725220If you're chasing trends, definitely not that
>>285725406Actual DQ, maybe Isekai that's just a ripoff of it? Not sincere, unless the author has nothing to say other than how much he loves dragon quest
>>285725406Actual Dragon Quest nothing. I'm not a fan really but they're fine by themselves. Other things trying TO BE Dragon Quest however are so vacuous they have nothing at all to define themselves.
>>285721388> subvertjew detected
>>285725356Mynoghra wasn't Dragon Quest. I anticipate this answer not being up to your standards however.
>>285725622If it's not I'll accept that answer as I'm not familiar with it
>>285725641Sorry for assuming the worst of you then.
>>285725641>>285725661it's nice when my parents don't fight
Isn't most of what people complain about THE subvertion?>subvert a trope to create another tropeAt the end there's just no way out of tropes.
Isekai except its pseudo time travel and get transported to a fantasy version of world war 2.
>>285725719people are missing the forest for the trees, the stories don't suck because they have tropes and cliches and subversions, they suck because they're written by some dumbass chuuni who barely passed literature class. The problems won't be solved if you take out the subversion or "write it sincerely" because the writing fucking sucks from before pen was even put to paper. A good story does not start with a good premise, it starts with a good writer
Can you fucks subvert isekai without making it gay?
>>285721453Based
>>285725846no
Isekai except mc is a speedrunner
>>285721388>MC gets hit by a truck and gets isekai'd>MC grows up, and gets hit by a horse drawn carriage and gets isekai'd>MC grows up, and gets hit by a flying car and gets isekai'd>Each time he has glimpses of his past lives>One of these lives, he gets enough glimpses of his past life to evade what is killing him>His murderer tells him to cooperate, it's for his own good, turns out he's being purposely murdered... by himself>*drop the title screen then play the opening song*
Isekai where the MC fucks his sister.
>>285725955dozens, if not hundreds, already exist, and they're all bad
>>285725940>walks 5 minutes against wall>drops through the world into final boss fight>glitches into credit roll screen>the end
>>285725940already exists, it's one chapter long too
>>285725940This has already been done.
>>285725976Name three.
>>285721388Imagine if the MC had a skill, but like, it's supposed to be the worst skill but it's actually a very strong OP skill. How quirky and weird, am I right!?And check this out, what if he like, got kicked out from his adventuring party because they all thought he's weak, but then he makes a new one with his own harem and carries them all because he's so OP. God, I'm gonna make millions.
I have an isekai idea of a cowardly female protagonist who gets transported into a grimdark fantasy world. She gets the ability to absorb the powers of those who killed her. Here's the catch "she can only absorb 1 power at a time, if she gets killed by a another person with a different power,it switches and if she gets killed by a powerless person or the same person who killed her before,she dies permanently. She also afraid of pain and dies a lot brutally.
>>285726038somebody get this guy an anime studio
>>285721388Be someone who actually fucking plays video games and design my world around actual fucking video game mechanics.
>>285726038Shoelacer HunterA dimension-travelling warrior is on a journey to kill off every shitty copypasted isekai MC and restore balance to the universe.
>>285721388Anime Stargate SG-1/Star Trek where you travel to various universes/worlds with their own rules explore things Dungeon Meshi style then move on.
>>285725940It already exists, and it just got a new chapter.
I think isekai would work best as a manga/visual novel fusion because you can make choice and interact and shit.
>>285723231Funny how Re:Zero of all things is the flagship series in that subgenre. Subaru had just become a shut-in when he got isekai’d.
>>285726196>re:zero>Not Muhshoku Tensei
>>285726196Subaru is a dumbfuck protagonist and rezero sucks. It's the source code movie but garbage,like holy shit.
>>285725661I get it. People are too quick to trash on things without knowing. I'm happy to call garbage were I see but I'm not gonna where I don't.
Isekai but all girls have gigantic fucking butts
>>285726234>noooo why isn't he a super chad redpiller like me!>btw I hate isekai because it power fantasy!Interesting.
>>285722473You would have to do it sometime before whisking helen away for 10 years because you're a dumb horny monkey
>>285722521That can be interesting, but it's just a sad war story. Lots of those running around
>>285723104How about reverse isekai that doesn't act like the only thing to do on earth is be a middle class twenty something farming for fun or working in an office
>>285726316You're a retarded 8 year old. The idiotic author wrote subaru like a brainless cocksucker. Watch better resurrection trope media for Pete's sake and not low iq torture porn. Dang I feel like rewatching source code.
>>285726316weakness reality anime when?inb4 nhk
>>285724149I dunno man this sounds like an initial low point where he builds up from zero of the beginning of one of those moments where mean and stupid antagonists attempt to ruin him and then he gets saved by X new fantasy friend
Get this,it's an isekai but with Uncensored hardcore sex in every chapter
>>285724810Everyone's Gone to the Rapture was interesting
>>285726557Very common.
Op is mc and he smashes his head into the fucking pavement the end
>>285726629would watch
>>285726120The Lone Wanderer ?
>>285721388>MC tries to cook his "homeland dishes" to impress people>finds out most ingredients are too expensive>cooking tools are either too expensive or unavailable>after finally cooking something, people tell him it is not that impressive and chefs often do much more impressive dishes>MC commits sudoku from embarasement
>>285721460Yeah. Isekai should not be an excuse to give MC cheat powers to easily coast.MC's experience from different culture, upbringing and knowledge should matter to the story. Otherwise, just don't make it an isekai.Picture related
>>285724128Japan Summons. It was okay. I liked the video gamey feel of japs fighting progressively more advanced nations with dragons and shit
>>285726728>MC tries to introduce crop rotation>finds out monster blood is a mana-rich super fertilizer>even a single hornbunny worth of blood will fertilize a huge field
>>285724128>roman empireThere is westslop with a roman legion getting isekai'd. Didn't like it much. But I can see why people whould like it.
>>285721388Start killing the main cast
>>285726806>MC is a necromancer>keeps his harem around as different undead
Honestly anything I can think of has been done before. I do like isekai though. If I made one it would be way more low fantasy and gritty. Make it more of a Conan type setting with a focus on realistic weapons and armor of the time
>>285721388Settings based on different time periods. More no/low fantasy/magic settings. Make the MC have more useful skills/knowledge. Multiple Isekai'ed MCs? could make the skills/knowledge thing easier. >>285721453Sci-fi, post apocalypse, different post-[something], Dr. Stone did show some of this could work.
>>285721388sharpe and the rest of the 95th get isekai'd
>>285721388one world overrun by the demon king and one world destroyed in nuclear Armageddon, the two planets themselves are isekai merged into a mottled mess with splotches of modern world and splotches of isekai world and both are rewound back to 5 minutes before midnight it would be incredibly difficult to make a good story out of this but at least it would have potential
One word.Cheat Slayer.
>>285727344Cheats lawyer?
I would make an anime that has nothing isekai about it at all.It would be super popular just for being different.Imagine.
>>285727404Already a thing, it's called native isekai.
>>285721388An isekai that is not a comedy while also having well written dialogue and more male than female characters without anyone being gay.
>>285724128the entire Middle East gets isekai’d and Israel has to rush to make a defense treaty with the human and elf kingdoms to fight against “the bearded orcs who worship the demon king of the desert” before anybody realizes the truth.meanwhile in our world the Middle East gets replaced with a bunch of cat people and surly dwarves and everybody agrees that it’s a big improvement
Make it about something other than just wish fulfillment.
>>285721388Super powerful MC in a fantasy setting is transported into the real world and is stripped of their abilities and struggles as a beaten down office worker.
Guy gets isekaid by falling into a manhole. Gets no cheats, doesn't understand language or anything.Survives by eating scraps, pretending to be a mute and trying to learn what little he can.Finds out he's not the only one, but they're from different countries and times, so he doesn't understand them either.
The isekaid Jap looks exactly like a normal Jap while isekai is populated by Europeans. He is mocked and ridiculed for his looks and only ugly chicks approach him.
>>285727599And then, you would have the big-boobed coworker win the MC. Instead of the best girl that you were building up and that has good chemistry. Because your wife wanted her to win.
>>285722213To put an end to it?
Every action moves the story forward. There is a story with a beginning, a middle and an end.
>>285721388>MC is transported to another world>Gets no special powers or unique abilities>Only thing that makes them special is coming from a world where the fucked up culture the people they meet are indoctrinated into doesn't exist and they can call it out and fight against it.
>>285727659>a beginningOh, nice!> a middleLittle daring, aren't we?>an endDamn! Now that is a subversion. Good job!
>>285727661>>Only thing that makes them special is coming from a world where the fucked up culture the people they meet are indoctrinated into doesn't exist and they can call it out and fight against it.I like that. But I feel that it is too difficult to get it right. Just look at MWFWM. Jason is absolutely infuriating with his preaching.Even more difficult when MC is powerless.
>>285727689There's genuinely a lot of shows out there that are severely lacking in at least one of these aspects.
>>285723137Did you just miss Darwin incident this season?
Feels like most answers boil down to "write it like a westerner would". Just read stories by westerners?
>>285727706>Even more difficult when MC is powerless.It's more interesting when the MC is powerless - struggling against genuinely perilous odds. It means their triumphs are due to determination instead of deus ex powers.
>>285723137It's been done.
>>285721453I want a star wars isekaiUseless neet with all wookiepedia saved in his brain get reincarnated as a new born and become a jedi, make it 1000 years ago like the mmo so you can have sith empire vs millions of jedi
>>285727741Achieving anything without any power is the most fantasy wish-fullfilment I could have imagined.
>>285727740I think you have no idea what japanese stories are like and consider the most low brow drivel imaginable as the standard of japanese writing prowess. You think Yasunari Kawabata would look at shit like Shield Hero and give a thumbs up? Fucking queer.
>>285727756.. there is westslop like that.
>>285727740Thomas Covenant is a good western isekai.
>>285721388I wouldn't. If I was going to write an isekai I'd just make it my own personal wish fulfillment fantasy because nothing on the market caters to me.
>>285721388Fantasy character gets isekai'd into the start of an alternative Cold War gone hot setting and needs to make it home while the world burns around them.
>>285727783Yes? Masterpieces are by definition not the standard. The standard is what most people would produce. And it's low brow drivel.
>>285724128There is a guy on yotube that I like how made "modern Paris get isekai into middle age France"But only Paris
>>285727801Except there's plenty of that same drivel in western literature as well.
>>285727811And? It's not like people are asking for non-drivel stories, just stories aligned with western sensibilities they think is high brow.
>>285727783That is the standard everywhere, look at the shit the west puts out as their top books in the last 30 years.
>>285727784Name ?
>>285722603>NTRetardwhy is that part importantNaedoko is hotwould recommend
>>285727825That's my point though. The other guy thinks having standards is inherently western, when in reality you can find tons of garbage both in western and japanese stories. Look how he attempts to make stuff like "good dialogue" a "western sensibility", implying that no manga or anime ever had good dialogue.
>>285721388A bunch of people from different times and regions of IRL world history all get isekai'd and have to work together as a group, navigating both language and cultural barriers, in order to survive. Also, they're not the actual heroes of this world, they're just there to ensure the hero's survival until he fulfills his prophecy.
>>285727740People that complain about isekai usually hate anime in general so it checks out.>n-no that's not trueExcept things that people complain about can be applied to literally any other genre, so yeah.
>>285727915So Drifters except you shove in a fantasy hero?
>>285727986The difference with isekai isn't that it's problems are unique, it's that they're uniquely pronounced, uniquely universal, and uniquely devoid of any indication that the author's even consider that they're making garbage
>>285727987Kinda except it doesn't take 10 years to make a new season.
>>285721388Have the fantasy guys isekai to Japan and start rapidly dismantling all the weird slavish bullshit; Like strict senpai/kouhai system, black companies, fictional social value as your only worth etc. They of course do it hilariously strong cheat powers while having sex with the local women and killing people who oppose them willy nilly. The main character shoots down a whole wing of JSDF jets with magic missiles and the military idol doing a photoshoot in the military base immediately falls in love with him (because in truth she really hates war and military and he was the first person to be nice enough to actually do something about the tax money hogs). Yeah, that sounds about right. They go on to establish a new state where anyone capable from around the world no matter their race is welcome. The place is quickly flooded with overcompetent soldiers accused for 'war crimes', scientists who touched wrongthink subjects and specialist laborers facing oppression in their home countries. This part is the "I'll make a new city and invite the elves and monsters and discriminated super magic users to under me" part but in reverse.After that all there is to do is go conquer other countries but the author will get bored at this point plus have no idea how countries outside Japan even are.
Not everything needs to be subverted, you know. There's nothing wrong with following genre conventions.
>>285727986Do you think the Japanese complain about Western YA novels in the same way we complain about Japanese Isekai Light Novels?
>>285723808>ummm actshually muh mechanical armor and spaceship can tank giant meteors falling from the sky and black hole spam easilyAre you fucking retarded
>>285728103There's absolutely something wrong when the genre convention itself is "be objectively unsalvageable garbage in these ways"
>>285728103anon, the subversions ARE the conventions, that's how isekai works
>>285727842https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/72498/sublight-drive-star-warsNot exactly like you described. But close enough. Haven't read it. Not much Star Wars fan.
>>285728111They better, that shit stinks almost as much even if it's in a different toilet
>>285728111I don't know what is that, if you don't like it you should stop reading them.
>>285728156Dystopian Young Adult novels, like Hunger Games and Divergent
>>285721388The Beatles are Isekai'd, and it's like Kappa Mikey where they're western animated cartoons in an anime world.
>>285728184Isn't this literally just The Beatles animated TV show?
>>285721388MCs get teleported into Gettysburg, Pennsylvania on the morning of July 1, 1863
>>285727661You want a Japanese to be nonconformist?
>>285721388by nuking the whole island of japan.not two cities.we dont leave any survivors this time, and we hunt down any japanese that survived in the rest of the world
>>285728134>Retardroad
>>285728184David Bowie isekai where Major Tom drops into a world that follows his different albums on a big alderson disk representative of his different albums as different continents and countries, and he meets Ziggy Stardust who warns of an impending calamity five years from now where the disk is to be stattered by a New Killer Star speeding across the cosmos, so Tom has to enlist a team of Halloween Jack (and the Bitch Queen of All the Tarts, Jill), Aladdin Zane, the Thin White Duke, Johnny the American, the crew of the Tin Machine, and the cast of Labyrinth to make it to the other side of the disk to meet the great wizard Pierrot and learn to escape the disk, then get back before the Alphabet Agency of the Savior Machine thwarts them with their Alphabetically coded 26 or more agents.In the end, it's revealed Major Tom is in a meditative state in what Tom can peace together in a burst through, as a homeless man on the streets He's not, he's an old astronaut from Britain who's found buddhism with his wife and takes three days out of the year to live homeless and connect to a world without material things to appreciate his life, and the Bowiescape is him stuck in a meditative younger self that must allow himself to sink back into the subconscious and let the full Tom return, despite his fear to do so, only facing Mr. Gravedigger and the crypt in the now Black Star remnants of the Killer Star. The plot is a discographical order of music videos of David Bowie's songs running on this plot concept to tie the music videos cohesively. Andy Warhol before Diamond Dogs before TVC15, etc.Is that still an isekai? idk it's just an idea I've had and can't make myself.
>>285728193Frieren gets teleported into the battle of Gettysburg and the Union starts shooting at her because her outfit is grey and her staff could pass for a muzzleloader at a distance.she ends up fighting the whole Union army for entirely circumstantial reasons and the rebels assume she’s on their side and tell her that the Union is an invading enemy empire, meanwhile the Union panics and makes her a top priority enemy target, and so Frieren ends up as a massive force multiplier for the confederacy and turns the tide of the war without even realizing that slavery exists.After they win she finds out and she’s like “wait what?”
>>285728134>No pictureWhat do you took me for ? A litterate ?
>>285728533Never too late to start learning!
>>285721388I would write an isekai with GOOD WRITING. fuuuuuaaarkkk that would be an insane subversion of the genre
>>2857213881) Actually have the MC care about their old lives on some deep level. Give them loving family that they miss and want to see again even if just for a moment. Maybe even force the MC to choose between the new world and the old world. 2) MC faces actually backlash for their naivety. Way too many shows just have the MC go talk to the different groups with an open mind, viola long standing hatred gone, and everyone goes on to live happily ever after together. However in reality most conflicts are complicated in ways that no easy cheat power solution can actually fix. Even if underlying issues get resolved, the tension from generations of conflict still remain. Generally people don't like being preached to by some ignorant outsider. There is good chance the MC gets thrown out of villages. MC's new world doesn't have his values and the MC needs to adjust to his new social reality. 3) Give people in the new world two braincells. It is really annoying when modern Japanese man gets isekai'd and then proceeds to industrialize medieval fantasy setting with their modern knowledge. It treats the people of the new world as complete morons. The people of the new world are going to have creative solutions to problems that MC wouldn't even know. The new world shouldn't just be a generic backdrop to a bland power fantasy. It should be a point of interest worth exploring.
>my unfinished second draft is based on the older western versions of isekai like the oz and wonderland.>The MC isn't the only isekai protagonist, nor does he have marty stu levels of power or intelligence>due to something that happened to him as a kid, he grew up expecting to be an isekai and dreading it because >everyone is very aware of the isekai tropes, but aren't 100% sure what the place they're in actually is (another world? hell? a coma?)>the world they're in is legitimately dangerous despite how silly it is, and isekaied kids have mortality rate on par with europeans during the black plague
>>285721388A military squad got isekaid in a dark fantasy where magic is done with blood sacrifices, they got called to wipe out an enemy leader, we follow a member of the squad, but as things go on it is clear none will return, by the end of it they succeed in the mission but died to sickness (many people from many dimensions where summoned, there is a lot of shit there).The story proceeds from the POV of a evil cleric that summoned them.I hate japan wanking and GATE so I like to see them die slowly btw
>>285721388Are there any wild west ones?
>>285721388I would give the main medieval city texture, intentional design, small streets, character, and personality instead of those amusement park looking sterile wannabe german houses with modern city proportions and large 20th century avenues designed to either allow cars through or make it impossible to build a barricade. Why isekai has zero visdev and just copies the same 2 cities from one another is beyond me and probably one of the reasons why I hate the genre.
>>285722794Surviving the game as a barbarian is the probably the isekai you want
>>285721388Be in another isakai then be isekaied again?I'm the Evil Lord of an Intergalactic Empire! had one novel where Liam gets "isekaied" again (he let the summoning circle work on him cause it wanted to run away from Brian and Amagi pestering to marry). He ends up "hero summoned" and does stuff to the fantasy world that was completely not what you should do. It was hilarious. At the end, he calls forth his fleet....yeah it was hilarious. Also, Chino is a dog.
>>285728256>>285728272>daily braindead anti-Japan /pol/ seething
>>285727740Why can't I write down like a western and a nip. Why can't I have epic and interesting plots with lots of fanservice and harems?
>>285729803so, french?
>>285729814Nah french people do it for mostly artistic bullshit.
>>285721388>How would you subvert the isekai genre?Just go for the good old>this world is not real>face your trauma and wake upIt never fails.
>>285729837Time Loops always get people going apeshit>OMG IT COMES FULL CIRCLE IN THE END, THAT'S SO DEEPit's quite silly
>>285729837>It was all a dreamWow. Such masterful storytelling.
It's an isekai but the mc travels to a cave filled with strange bunny like creatures and has to stop a scientist and his witch minion from enslaving and turning them into monsters for war
>MC is an ex military from Earth who stumbled on an alien girl once when she was fleeting from pursuers and warped to Earth by accident>she left him a parting gift, he can't get her out of his head >the gift beckons him and warps her to her home planet when she's in danger>even with ex military background the dude nearly dies several times and only survives through limited assistane of local Monolith>devises horrible makeshift weapon considered too "barbaric" and banned by locals to save the day, still nearly dies in a duel against the usurper lord>falls in love with the alien princess but they cannot marry because the Earth is not considered a part of the space faring world and its official position in space is unknown>the story turns into a space opera as he tries to chart back the course to his home planet
MC gets isekai'd into a fantasy WW1 and it fucking sucks.
Mc uncle built a powerful android for the government in another country. What the government doesn't know is that the android is remote controlled with a strange vr glasses-like device and the mc's uncle is faking it. Mc's uncle suddenly dies in a car crash and after mourning,mc found his uncle's device. Mc discovers he can control the android without the government knowing is remote controlled and he does what he wants rather than being a hero. Government can't destroy the robot because it's too strong and expensive and has to hilariously watch in agony.
>>285729625>Be in another isakai then be isekaied again?How about, every time MC dies he wakes up in a new world?
>>285721388Typical isekai Mage gets reincarnated in modern world and lives a slow life
>>285725719>>285725827The problem isn't isekai nor subversion of tropes. The problem are the whiners. The "tropes" are usually the most superficial and least relevant for defining isekai or anything else really. They are a very low hanging fruit to complain about, but they also make the whiner look extremely shallow for making this particular metric the one that matters to them. If you whine about an adventurer guild existing in isekai, you might as well whine about magic existing at all in any fantasy or schools existing in a modern day setting. The whiners obfuscate what they want by relying on such an irrelevant metric, except when they themselves let it slip whenever they say "what if isekai but it does X instead" which shows the truth: The whiners are actually just angry that isekai took off as it did yet is not what THEY specifically want, so they are simply jealous.
Isekai set in Not-Hellenistic Mediterranean>library and Lighthouse of Alexandria = magic tower>elves = Germanic priestly class>dragons live in the Alps>Scythians = centaurs
>>285721388Me with a harem, the subversion is that I have sex
>>285721388>subvertFuck off amerimutt
>>285730671You may like the Videssos Cycle?
>>285722794isekai status = absolutely not subverted
>protag is a worthless scumbag NEET with no redeeming qualities>is isekai'd that way>ancient rome-esque world>no magic, no fantasy, just notRome>protag is too stupid and lazy to learn the language>protag has no skills because he was an underachiever at school and went on to just play vidya, watch animu, and fap is days away>his only saving grace is that he's fat so some people think he MIGHT come from a foreign affluent family>his goal: survive society
>>285721388Have you read Russian isekai?
>>285727783>no you don't get it this is about high brow art trust me- *look at answers*>le war/military miseryslop scifi with gunevry time
>>285730921cyka.....
>>285730869>his goal: survive society Flops by chapter 2 because him not dying instantly just proves that this relies on lazy convenient plot armor 100% of the time. It's out. Next!
>>285721981It's kinda surprising they haven't done an anime based off of Evil Dead. It seems like the kind of thing that would translate insanely well. Have the MC be some salaryman who finds the Necronomicon while working late and have all sorts of office fuckery go on as the deadites try to kill him.
>>285730996the "plot armor" is that he'd probably end up a slave in notRome that may or may not be bought by a wealthy aristocrat that's interested in his appearence.
>>285721388>Similar beginning to overload>MMO RPG is shutting down>group of bros play it one last time>completed all the quests and everything >something happens, their stuck in the game as the characters that they made>they lose their high levels, equipment and skills etc.>as they stay longer in the game they get flashbacks of the their characters lives, not in-game shit but their characters childhoods etc.>in-game lore becomes real>the races they chose/ characters they created now have real consequences>In-game families, siblings and other connections become real>due to completing all the quests they are now celebrated as heroes who have saved the world multiple times >they must navigate the world without getting fraud checked essentiallyAnd then maybe their main goal asides from surviving is finding a way out or something? Also just highlighting that one of the main plot points are the choices that they made when creating their characters that at the time would've been small lore text options is now very real and it affects them.
>>285725220Not drowning in meta and ironic humor.
>>285722794>MC actually wants to go BACK to their original world.
>>285721388The isekai protagonist returns to their home world every now and then for sex.
>>285721388Is it normal or abnormal for copious amounts of sex with all the female characters? Including making more female characters for sex.
>>285721388make the plot about pre apocalypse situation. most likely in sci-fi setting. MC is random guy who has no idea what's coming. Isekaijin is the one who causes everything trying to go back.
>>285721388The MC only gets one magic power, and due to some sort of shortage on the gods' end the magic power has to be rotated every week, meaning it focuses more on the MC's problem solving skills with making potentially worthless powers work in his favour rather than just using overpowered shit the entire time.
>>285721388more lesbians
easy>"MC" gets isekaied and lands in some village or forest or whatever>gets to know some basic skills bla bla bla, typical isekai first episode>at the end of the episode he gets killed by some monster or some such>episode 2 - "MC" gets isekaied and so on so forth>the whole premise is countries/races fighting for survival by isekaing dumb shits so they can become the braves, and the whole world is just a shitton of failed/dead braves, assassins searching for heroes of other countries>also summoning tears the fabric of reality so the world gets increasingly more shit>story focused on despair and psychological straina rough premise
>>285727649>Because your wife wanted her to win.Wait. Is that why burgertits won? Based wife with great taste if so.
>>285728127Functional lack of understanding of how industrial capacity is superior to any superweapon. Bismarks and Yamatos are not scary when you can produce 50 carriers and several thousand aircraft in a year, every year. An elf wizard doing what you describe is militarily insignificant, and you need to do some serious begging to assume Frieren-likes can even cast their spells light-seconds away from their body to hit the enemy in space. I diagnose you with failure to understand the premise and terminal brownness.
>>285724125Anon...
>>285721388The isekai world is actually a glorified battle royale with its participants all being forced represenatives from other worlds to establish dominance for their patron. So within this world you could have something like our iseaki'd MC from Earth trying to outwit an isekai'd alien from a scifi universe
>>285732011drifters, kinda
>>285726391A nobleman or a knight in the corporate world having to solve problems using their previous knowledge
>>285727355No, shits layer
>>285732050Would be an honest to God fun idea to have some tough-as-nails Knight from a brutal/warlike world employ his ruthless determination and battle tested cunning to blast his way through corpo red tape, climb the ranks and make our sissyfied modern world his bitch. Like, imagine Hataraku Maou-sama meets Demolition Man, only this time around Simon Phoenix is the protagonist/Maou isn't a gay loser content with staying a lowly McDonalds wagedrone but a man of ambition.
>>285721388>japan salaryman about to go on business trip>weather looking bad as he boards plane>fast forward to wake up in forest -- tropical surroundings>vague sense that he's on the edge of being able to open a status window, just needs practice>plane must have crashed and died>now in isekai paradise>meets locals who are very primitive, almost tribal level of society>does NOT speak their language>fall into usual groups: some welcome him (including village cutie) some hate (village toughs)>basic japan man skills (agriculture, counting) impress/amuse them for some reason>eventually accepted in community>living isekai slow life>might start adventure guild soon>one morning walking alone on beach>bandit troupe with digital camo and M4 carbines ambush him out of nowhere>"You're under arrest!">blindfolded and put on boat>was on North Sentinel Island the whole time
>>285723503>I remembered from my middle school textbooks that today in specifically 12 minutes there will be a total solar eclipse right here above britain for approximately 2 minutesIt was cool when tintin did it though.
>>285721388The characters are from another anime
>>285732239>he employees warfare tactics to crush competitors>he uses his previous experience in the battlefield to motivate workers and solve conflicts>he gets things from superiors by treating them like nobles
>>285730671Wouldn't even have to be THAT ambitious. Just having Roman Empire or Greek Polis as template instead of vaguely Medieval/Reinassance Europe would be rather new for the genre.
>>285721388Main character is happy in his old life, and hates his new life but can't return and resents the world around him for that.
>>285721388By only revealing at the end that it was an isekai, and that the villain our young hero has been battling is from another world (ours) and sees that world as a semi-real playpen
Diogenes gets isekai'd into modern academia and each episode is him dunking on everyone's ideas of how the world works while being a drunken NEET
>>285721388Have a retardedly insecure MC on-par with many readers. I mean the kind who genocides men because they can't stand the idea of "competition", even their own sons which is why so many stories MUST have daughters. Especially daughters they plan to have sex with. That level of insecure mess.
>videogame character gets isekaied to real world>hilarity ensues
>>285721388You now remember Tsugumomo's isekai arc.
>>285721388John Brown vs slave-owning isekai MCs.
FFT Advance basically.
>>285730671Bronze age and Iron age are both very cool settings. Would work best if the Main character starts off as a slave and has to work his way up. Could also be adopted by a Barbarian tribe living in a more civilized territory (Gaul's in Italy).
>>285732354I can see it. Sounds like the kind of story where it turns out we are learning about the origins and motivations of the demon king rather than the hero.
>>285721388>Anons offer ideas on how to subvert isekai>Their ideas are just as generic as regular isekai>Or something that was already been done a billion times like "isekai without cheats", "mc wants to go home"...What gives?
>>285732354>>285732468>Our goddess brought you to our world to deal with some mundane routine shit that happens every century or so, like an orc population boom or lich king/queen coming back to life again because of their phylactery>Oh, you had a family and friends back home? Teehee, whoops! Now they think you're a deadbeat loser who left his wife and kids, forcing them into poverty>But don't worry, here's extremely OP powers that will let you easily destroy the mundane threat that we'd have to deal with otherwise>Why won't we bestow the OP powers on one of our own people and kidnapped you instead? Uhhh, don't ask question yuusha, it's a divine tradition, now go put your life on the line for usYeah, I can see that as being a villain origin. Would be even fun to see him become a real threat and then fight off dumb copypasted ,,protagonists" sent to stop him. (The goal could be either edgy revenge on the kingdom, or just stealing their sacred shit and taking goddess hostage to force her to bring him back home.)
>>285723857>He has sexThat fact mogs the average in the genre.
>>285732623were you under the impression that 4chan is some sort of forefront of imaginations? everyone here is just as unimaginative as an average person
>>285731166Neither option seems appealing. Some of us also like the world as it exists (or at least aspects of it).
>>285732623Having the masses of /a/ collectively write doesn't fix the problem which was started by the masses of Shousetsuka ni Narou writing.
>>285730177>The whiners obfuscate what they want by relying on such an irrelevant metric, except when they themselves let it slip whenever they say "what if isekai but it does X instead" which shows the truth: The whiners are actually just angry that isekai took off as it did yet is not what THEY specifically want, so they are simply jealous.While I watch/read isekai, I also liked other genera that isn't being made as much. It's easy to blame isekai for why we aren't getting as many say mecha or anime originals. Back when visual novel adaptations and CGDCT were trendy, people were complaining about those too.But it's not like older shows ceased existing--I alternate watching my backlog with seasonal shit.
>>285721388The MC would be sent to the Antebelum South and convinces all the slave owners to send their slaves back to Africa. This in turn gives birth an unstoppable U.S. with no civil war and no blacks to pay gibs to and the birth of the never ending Manifesting of Destiny.
>>285721388hero from isekai reborn as a shut in loser in modern world
>>285735310>This in turn gives birth an unstoppable U.SUS would not exist without the slave labor from both black and white
>>285721453>sci fiIt's always fantasy because the protagonist almost always has a knowledge advantage of some type. In a sci-fi setting, the protagonist not only wouldn't have that advantage, but would be in a world that completely surpasses them in scale in every aspect. This post isn't to criticize anything or to show that I disagree with you; it's just my opinion on why I think fantasy settings are much more common than sci-fi settings.
>>285728095Galt's Gulch with magic
>>285728272So either millions of people reincarnated at different times, effectively neutralizing the "special MC" role since everyone got a new start, new circumstances, and a cheat, but because everyone is special no one is and they just live life like normal; or it's not isekai and they just destroy japan for zero reason and it's now a political story
>>285721835How could the most useless NEET viewer self-insert then?
>>285723503The book is a satire on the romanticization of chivalry that exploded in the U.S. after the Civil War. Morgan being dumb and using basic knowledge is part of the point, the characters he subverts are even dumber.
>>285721388Just actually make it another world.Not just medieval europe with magic, monsters and dragon quest tropes.
>>285722069Isecuck
>>285721388Don't have a useless retard as MC.Don't have a generic RPGesque pseudo-medieval fantasy world as setting.
>>285735310>displacing slaves that were born into it or didn't come from wherever region they're dropped off so now you have people who are strangers of two cultures >chased off all the natives with no populace or knowledge to back up all the land you stole>people already having problems and allegiances anyway>other parts of Europe still trying to take a piece of the continent >some facets of modern living came from those people you exploited and whoops now they're gone>mexico still exists so it's not like you got rid of every ethnicity you think ruined the country I'm sure everything will be fine
>>285721388Isekai body swap where both hero and demon lord have to work together so the couple the swap with everytime they sleep can fix the situation so that they won't have to put on a farce in both worlds. Maou swaps with the girl and the girl later figures out how to change the final form into something she's more familiar with and can go incognito when she wants to get away from the politics and confuses the Maou even more.
>>285728131>objectivelyThat word has been completely misused to say "my opinions are factual"
>>285721460Far from the only example but the most iconic for sure.
>>285721388At this point? Actually tell a proper "isekai" story? One where the original life isn't just a sidenote, something unimportant that you reincarnate from, but the MAIN point of the story. We actually spend like an episode or so (if we are talking anime) focusing on the main character in their normal life - their personality, worries, talents, relationships, problems. We learn what they lack before they are sent to another world, and their adventure is a lesson, not escapism. Even if the other world is better and easier, the character should strive to return to their old life after growing as a person, ready to face their problems and relationships with newfound knowledge and wisdom.
>>285722213>>285722883Obviously not isekai but Arcanum is a very good steampunk/fantasy mix.
>>285737733>the character should strive to return to their old lifenah, fuck that
>>285722393What does Sven Hassel have to do with isekai? He's a WW2 literature author.
>>285725953>he's being purposely murdered... by himselfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo8gqSKAwVU
>>285725034monkeys paw wish.>the Demon Queen is a hairy, ugly troon, and now you're gay and have an infection on your dick from all the poop and puss.>>285725220Frieren, Lord of the Rings, Conan the Barbarian, Code Geass?
>>285737878Without that you can't close the character arc.
Jump lostisekai won
>>285721388An isekai where the MC gets placed into a post modern Tolkien world. He has to work a boring office jobs with elves and ogres. The goblins can be an anecdote for Jews.
>>285721388Make it about getting home, and moreover, make it clear that staying in the other world isn't a good idea
>>285722794>MC isn't special in any way other than being from another world. No cheat powers, no innate magical supremacy, no easily applicable skills that makes him/her a cut above the rest.Read Isekai Demo Bunan ni Ikitai Shoukougun. It just came back from hiatus hell
>>285721388Yaoi isekai where a Bosozuko guy goes into a science fiction realm and does badass anime sci-fi motorcycle shit for 12 episodes.
>>285732239>>285732323
>>285721388Make it another character that got isekaied and not the MC.
>>285730921every time I see these covers I think the content would be fucking kino but I bet if I read one I would fucking hate it
>>285721388What about an isekai which focuses on the lives of the previous world's isekai MC friends?
an isekai but good
>>285721388MC attempts to introduce modern technology, but quickly finds that a high school level of knowledge is all but useless in recreating modern conveniences. Every attempt is quickly brought down by a lack of skills in metallurgy, metrology, chemical or material sciences.
>>285721388I had an idea that a community from earth, a few hundred people, would be isekaid to a world with no sentient races. So they would have to create their own society.
>>285721388The MC can go back and forth between the original and the fantasy worlds(the teleportation can even be forced and unpredictable, especially at the start). Both worlds need saving, but he can only be in one place at a time and he can't bring his allies and gear along, at least not before the climax.
>>285741220This happens in one of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy books, and I do wish he wrote more of that.There's also a short story where people in some sort of super fucked future earth go back in time to grab people who are about to die and then they send them off to a distant world with basically no tools, but that story is kind of shit and doesn't focus on the people sent to the distant world.
>>285721981>RPGAre they literally billing it as an isekai?
>>285721388No adventurer's guild.
>>285741398I keep mentally preparing myself for the protagonist to find out that there isn't an adventurers guild and for people to be really confused when he asks in every isekai only to be immediately met with their being an adventurers guild.
>>285721388The inherent problem here is most people not understanding what the words "subvert" or "writing" mean.>thing>good writing>thing I don't like>bad writing
>>285721388Someone has thought about this one before, but drop an average Japanese isekai protag teenage boy who has dreams of a classical isekai-- where he is the hero of the party given cheat powers and a harem of fantasy women to defeat the evil demon king-- into the historical early Roman empire. No fantasy elements; and he has only the vaguest, surface level pop culture knowledge of Roman history (i.e he knows is that Julius Caesar was stabbed) and all his expectations are just severely dashed against reality as he tries to live his isekai life -- he eventually gets roped into enlisting in the Legion for a 25 year term (thinking its like the closest equivalent of joining the adventurer's guild) and is shocked when his "party" consists of the eight extremely rough men, legionaires in his tent-group, armed the same as him and are in the same role (no RPG classes) and that he has to fight in strict formation with them instead of flashy battles. Levelling up? Go for another weighted run in the gym you retard. Heartfelt, shy romance with a cute girl who is head over heels for you? Take a few of your sesterce and buy a cheap whore. Praying to the Gods for a boon or a cheat skill? wtf no you don't get talk with a moe cutesy version of Minerva, save up your wages, buy a fucking calf and pay a priest to sacrifice to her in your name.Adventure? He goes on campaign a few times and its mostly misery and illness, with some ghastly battles taking place. He takes solace in the fact that he gets to keep some of the loot from the battle, but its all divided up according to official shares, with no legendary swords in sight. Most of his military life is spent on construction projects, which he are boring until his first gory battle, but eventually he comes to prefer it to fighting and he earns a specialization as a carpenter. He survives until retirement age and relishes the fact that he can start living a slow life of carpentry and farming his small plot of land
>>285723387based Kappa Mikey remembererWorld War WHO???
>>285723453>GET PREGNANT WITH THISkek
>>285732300Tintin could have done it he's a clever lad
>>285729837>this world is not realHow many times will you use this in the same story?
>>285725953like a reverse Planescape: Torment
>>285721388have the new world actually be hell and the MC wanting to return
>>285721388Instant Death has some subversions but it's an isekai parody rather than trying to chiefly be subversive
>>285721388MC levels speech and speech checks the demon lord into ending the war with no casualties. He also speech checks kings, emperors, gods, cthulu, emotionless killing machines, mindless zombies ect. When he finally get back, he keeps his speech and speech checks politicians, judges, celebrities ect.
>>285721388>guy "dies">isekai adventures ensue>turns out it was just his brain hallucinating>miraculously survives and wakes up in the hospital>rest of the story is him trying to cope and occasionally manage to continue his life in his dreams>double twist his "real life" was a curse placed on him and was the isekai
>>285741220Wouldn't that just be Dr. Stone?
>>285738390>Make it about getting home, and moreover, make it clear that staying in the other world isn't a good ideaWhy would it be? Sounds more like status-quo worship to me. There are never any actual arguments against staying in the otherworld that aren't just artificially tacked on to make it look bad. The "theme" is portrayed to be "otherworlds are always bad, period", but the actual content is "this one otherworld in particular is bad" every single time. >Y-you have no internet and modern conveniences! E-everyone just tosses their shit and piss on the street! >It's bad because, ugh, like, you "don't belong to that world", OK? You just... don't! You have no freedom to go where you want, you MUST stay home, OR ELSE! And the dumbest excuse that goes full meta is the one used in your pic, i.e. FFTA: >NOOOOO! The world is just some eldritch trap to eat everyone's soul! ...therefore all otherworlds are bad and worse than dreamworlds because... they just are as somehow proven by this one case that wasn't even an actual otherworld but just fake, but this still somehow counts for otherworlds in general because... it just does, OK? If you look at it realistically, if you actually ended up in another world and it's not just some retarded metaphor about "running away from reality" or such bullshit, then accepting that you are 99.999% sure to be stuck to the end of your life there is the mature approach. Wanting to return and travel across universes when you aren't even sure if your initial "travel" to the otherworld hasn't already taken millions of years with earth already long gone or such and thinking you can just conveniently return home with your loved one accepting your with warm arms? Now THAT is pure escapism and wishful thinking.
>>285721388What about a bunch of scientists and engineers get isekaied after some great experiment went wrong, and they try to restore technology only from that they remember and that they find on the spot?That would be an interesting plot, several actual specialists will have to collaborate with the author to make it realistic.
>>285744931>Y-you have no internet and modern conveniences!Are there any MCs that miss modern conveniences? Even NEETs like Kazuma, Subaru, and Rudeus are just cool with the fact they’ll never have the internet or porn again.
>>285721388>How would you subvert the isekai genre?Actually subvert? Trumanshow style, MC get hit by a truck, get his brain transplanted to another body, then producers trick him into believe he was isekai'ed into low fantasy world, instead it's all special effects and mechatronics. Each chapter focus on some movie trivia about how the fantasy stuff used in this episode was made.
>>285742207Ah yes the scp
>>285742207The manga never got fully translated did it?
>>285744301Haven't watched it so idk, but I heard it's postapo?
>>285742665I've seen multiple villainess webtoons with this twist.
>>285737937What does Lewis Carrol have to do with isekai? He was some old english dude.What does C.S. Lewis have to do with isekai? He was also some old dude.Same with this Mark Twain fellow. Didn't he write a book that said nigger a lot? Whoa, problematic.
>>285728317>After they win she finds out and she’s like “wait what?”Just tell her that the 13%ers are demons, she'll understand.
>>285741290Hitchhiker's Guide anime adaptation when
>>285742207nigga they all parodies
>>285745463A friggin lucky scp
>>285721388Isekaijin is a well adjusted, morally upright person.
>>285724128There's the million word story of Germany getting isekaid to Warhammer Fantasy. Author got himself banned from ah.com for being a wehraboo.
>>285721388isekai'd as a fantasy injun shaman, and then from the sky, the space europeans arrive in their space galleons
>>285723921>He is stronger, fasterThis would actually be accurate as the gravity on Mars is about a third of Earth's
>>28572138840K Space Marine gets isekai'd but thinks it's just a shitty feudal world and puts down all the mages he sees for being unsanctioned psykers
>>285735681So you're saying it would actually have to be written well.
>>285748012There was an official WH novel that's a reverse of this setup - MC is a tribal wizard doing tribal wizard things and clashing with feudal society nearby, when suddenly space marines drop on the planet.
>>285723453>Get pregnant with thisUber based
>>285721388>get isekai'd into the extinction of the dinosaursor repeatedly isekai'd into the worlds major extinction events through time all the way to heat death of the universe
>>285736462no because I identify as the monsters
>>285724171>why not a Messiah isekai?is there an isekai of becoming jesus?
>>285748827ah yes, the DOME
>>285728317Why do you think Frieren would be against slavery? Everyone in her world is pure Aryan, anyway, she'd probably think blacks are some kind of monster.
>>285722521>Fixing our shitty worldYou don't need to, here:>Son of a Billionaire>Literally has everything, his life is pure bliss, lambos, yatchs, he's beautiful, instagram whores, drugs, famous gamer on stram websites.>His parents are involved in cabal shit, but HE is truly innocent, just a jackass.>Get Isekai'd (accepting ideas on how)>Goddess is disgusted by his family and deems that he would turn just the same as his parents>Isekai him to a hardcore grinding survival world with NO CHEATS (really, no I'm weakest but actually the strongest)Now dude really wants to go back, he can get stronger just like anyone in the world but he'll have to grind for it.
WHY do you have to subvert?
You could just stop following Eastern Isekai conventions?Ape any of the 100 year old western isekai stories or something.
>>285729021MC wants to get back to his precious imouto. Meets a mysterious orphan girl who reminds him of her, becomes her adopted onii-chan. Only drives him more sick with grief every time he's around her, but he can't just abandon her either. Finds out the only way to get home is to sacrifice her in blood magic. Ends up doing the sacrificial ritual. Turns out she was actually his imouto the whole time and she got isekai'd too and didn't realize it because they both got new bodies in the new world. With her dying breath she says his real name from the old world which he hasn't been using. He gets sucked back to the old world but she's not there. She must have reincarnated back in the new world, if she still exists at all. Now he has to go back to the new world somehow and find her and hopes she can forgive him.
>>285748120Basically, I’d also like to add something else: fantasy settings in isekai tend to be fantasy because they allow authors to be lazier and pay less attention to worldbuilding, or to do it in a very poor way.For example, everyone already knows what elves, orcs, dwarves, goblins, and a few others are. They all have pre-established characteristics that the reader most likely already knows from popular media, so the author doesn’t need to spend time explaining them.But science fiction? The races are much more varied. There are archetypes, like the devouring hivemind race, the super-powerful ancient race that stands above everyone else, or the robot empire. But beyond these general archetypes, there aren’t many singular races that are widely known or strongly present in the genre, aside from humans, obviously. The author has to put in real effort to create them, give them cultures, characteristics, and basically a lore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGOJfEGQdrE
>>285749277>>But science fiction? The races are much more varied. There are archetypes, like the devouring hivemind race, the super-powerful ancient race that stands above everyone else, or the robot empire. But beyond these general archetypes, there aren’t many singular races that are widely known or strongly present in the genre, aside from humans, obviously. The author has to put in real effort to create them, give them cultures, characteristics, and basically a lore.So just do this in a regular high middle ages fantasy or something?
>>285749327Yes, of course you can. But in a fantasy setting, you'd have the option to do it or not. In science fiction, you wouldn't really have that option.I don't know how this happened in the first place though
>>285728714That don't look start wars at all.
>>285749171Actually original, but only because a protagonist like that would be instantly hated and make it DOA.
>>285735541Slavery was barely a blip in actual GDP of the US at any point in its history. The US actually became a powerhouse because of industrialization and abundant natural resources to fuel it, after slavery was already ended.
>>285749474If anything, slavery only harmed the US.
>>285721388Stop fucking making Isekai. That's the only way. There is no 'subverting' it. The more of it you make, the more you play into its popularity and keep this plague going.If you want to be a real dickhead, make the characters self-aware that they're in a bad Isekai and start noticing all of the corner cutting Isekai does to stay under budget so they can churn these things out. Things like the cardboard horses sliding around, or the extreme lack of care taken to explain any of the mechanics of how the world works or why all of it seems to be pastiches of the european Victorian era with Dragon Quest mechanics ham-fistedly slammed in. Make all of the characters be complete dicks to the creators of the show for making such poorly researched, designed, and mass-produced slop. Then make fun of the audience for finding it entertaining.Dark History of the Villainess kind of did that last season, where the story and characters being poorly designed by a very stupid author created all of the story's problems. It's not self-aware enough to contain the disdain people should feel toward this cookiecutter genre that is so creatively bankrupt that the vast majority of them could trade characters and storylines and have effectively the same show. This is worse than the battle harems of the 00s.
>>285749578But anon, how are we supposed to make the MC relatable to the lowest of the low readers!?I mean, we COULD just make the protagonist start in a miserable situation similar to that of the average Japanese salary man, but that requires THINKING a little and we don't want that!
>>285745692WW2 books are literally the only thing he ever wrote.
>>285721388MC can isekai himself and anyone around him at will, and does so whenever he gets in over his head, either a physical threat or something else. He collects various companions from different worlds as he goes. Instead of his own skills or knowledge from his original world being useful, he has to primarily rely on the skills and knowledge of the other people he's collected. These other characters have to deal with being isekai'd, and have different reactions to being basically kidnapped across dimensions by the MC with no way to get back themselves. Some might be happier. Some might be in a murderous rage about losing the life they were taken from, forcing an immediate isekai-out by the MC and his more willing companions. Eventually he gathers some misfits from various different universes who find the adventure of flitting between worlds every few weeks or years or whatever fun. Some drop off along the way, either because they weren't nearby when the MC needs to isekai out again, or because they find the current world to their liking and decide to stay and abandon the isekai party. Maybe some are sticking with the MC in the hopes that he'll randomly bring them back to their own world. But it is random and there's no telling how many different worlds there actually are to jump between. There could be a range of motivations and sentiments. In some worlds, some characters thrive, in others, they're useless. But over time the core group is able to cover each other's weaknesses pretty well with a different set of strengths so the MC doesn't feel a need to isekai out as often. They spend some time exploring, gathering useful resources and items that might be useful to trade or use in whatever new universe they end up in, but inevitably they come across something that makes them want to or need to leave, sometimes with a bit of warning, sometimes with very little. There's always the chance that somebody will be left behind because of wrong place/wrong time.
Even the "I am a high school loser" harem MC can at least have depth. Giving someone everything because they reincarnated as the 1 out of a million miracle worker or has jesus powers robs them of any possibility of ever developing depth because they get everything for free.
>>285749839At this point, the subversion is writing an actually good story.
>>285721388How about a Galaxy Quest type story where some Renaissance Fair reenactors or cosplayers get mistaken by some clueless deity as actual heroes and now they have to try and stop some ultimate evil in order to get back home.
>>285721453Muv Luv
>>285721388Historical isekai. Modern day scientists discover time travel and accidentally send themselves back in time to the Cretaceous period
>>285732011Versus
>>285749916One of them is bound to be good at some point.
>>285745454This is a fun idea
>>285750310Re:Zerofanfiction
>>285721388I don't think anybody has said this in the thread, if they did, sorry! But if I were to subvert the isekai genre, I would do it like this.The MC is suicidally depressed, and consumes a shit ton of anime as escapism for his sucky life.when he does kill himself, he gets sent to a generic fantasy world with a generic fantasy story and has a generic fantasy party of questionably aged girls he may or may not have bought from slave traders.But at the end of the journey, when he defeats the demon king, he's given his ticket back home, everyone is so proud of him for growing from the person he used to be.someone who had trouble socializing with women to a better man altogether, that sort of character development.but he doesn't want to go, he's made a life in this new world, why would he go back to a place he wasn't happy?things happen, and he ends up getting sent back to the day he killed himself.the realization that his friends he cared about are now gone, pushes throws him back into a depressive spiral that he climbed so hard he came back out of, and he does it again.i have more if anybody is interested, that's the general idea I've had in the back of my mind.
>>285751042So nothing mattered and we're back to square one? What's the point of such a depressive narrative?
>How would you subvert the isekai genre?The characters are born in the isekai. It's a common subversion but there's a lot of fun in this subgenre. Some call it native isekai but I like to call it "Goblin Slayer-like".
>>285751368>What's the point of such a depressive narrative?NTA but I think it's kino, and it shows that man is a result of his environment: throw anyone in the modern world and they'll be depressive, throw them into an adventurous one and they'll be happy.
>>285751368Because I think crying is really funny, but to be honest, my real answer is that I think the MC being so distraught after having to return to reality feels more grounded in reality, wouldn't you feel sad if you can't see your goblin boyfriend every again?>>285751408thank you! I'm a huge fan of the isekai genre, this was just one of the many ideas i have in my head.
>>285751542I get enough misery in real life, though. I'm not against realism, mind you, but reading 40+ chapters and investing myself to reach "and then Allen went back to being a wagecuck because THAT'S HOW LIFE WORKS" would feel pointless.
>>285721388Make the protagonist a native.
>>285751579But that's kino and relatable. More than the shoelacer.
>>285751579true! i'd prefer if the isekai i was reading was to my degenerate tastes instead of that
>>285751636Reverting character development for the sake of a moral story is grating. Simple as.
>>285721388I had this concept>people start getting isekai'd from Earth>people living shitty lives isekai without hesitation>overworked parents leave their children behind, minimum wage laborers all disappear>Earth is slowly depopulated, only people with peculiar reasons for rejecting the isekai offer remaincould be a fun slice of life. maybe there's a darker intent behind the depopulation of Earth
>>285721388another one>MC is summoned to another world>he was summoned by the Demon King, not the humans>humans instantly kill Demon King, the heroes are all isekai MC/Frieren tropes>MC inherits the Demon King status and needs to figure out how to survive and conquer all of humanity
>>285721388Isekai is not only over-saturated, but also over-saturated with 'subversions', parodies, etc.. All which are essentially Isekai but more tongue-in-cheek, but not in a charming way the characters just scream a trope or talk about how weird a trope is and then proceed to do said trope a la Deadpool's shitty "meta" humor
>>285721453"I was the strongest magician in the world until I took a long nap and wound up enlisted in the Military Complex"
>>285721388>start without any mention of isekai>MC is a callous murder hobo>doesn't care what damage he takes or what anyone thinks because he knows he'll reincarnate in another world with NG+ bonuses>only revealed after he dies on screen for the first timeAnother idea I had that might go with that>MC is guided purely by his desire to bag an elf princess and put a few dozen kids in her>only thing preventing him from being a villain is the thought that no elf princess would love him if he was>villain is himself from another timeline who went full incel and kidnapped an elf princess feeling his dream could never come true
This thread goes to show that not only have a lot of the proposed ideas been done, but also that the mere fact that something has been 'subverted' does not make the said thing particularly interesting
>>285721388Drop the MC in a post-apocalyptic world where all races must fight each other for food supplies and territory.
>>285721388>How would you subvert the isekai genre?Instead of the isekai world being a wonderland escapist fantasy, MC literally dies and goes to hell (more specifically, an abstraction of hell so as to not offend the atheistcucks), suffers for his sins, and comes out a better person. Sort of like dantes divine comedy.
>>285752403Atheists don't get offended with that. Just like vulture food worshippers don't get offended if you represent centaurs with two legs instead of four.
>>285721388>>285709412
>>285752673>linking that pleb takeIt's OK, at least your mum thinks you're smart.
>>285721388Instead of>I just ended up hereI come up with a REASON he just ended up there. I know. A bold subversion
>>285727253based
>>285752403I am literally writting a novel with similar concept currently 5k words and read this post
>>285751841consider konosuba and how that was already a parody of isekai tropes back in 2013. consider how shousetsuka is still on this shit over a decade later. we're seeing the death of an industry.
>>285728094Is the new season even being made?
>>285721388>subvertNow hear me out, what about, just think about it, what about an isekai but without the reincarnation part.Mind = Blown
>>285722156Imagine the smell...
>>285753358Native isekai, we got plenty of those.
An isekai where the MC is being summoned by the deuteragonist (the real MC) to fight this impossible battle and when the MC dies a new one is summoned to try to get further than the one before him. The summoned MCs die every half season or so
>>285723857>sex
>>285753564Great Now take out the dumb shit that doesn't make sense for the worldbuilding, like stat screens and people having special abilities called "skills" that are ranked like a modern gacha game And make the world feel like actual people live in it, not like an MMO
>>285738390So basically SAO, without the VR part?
>>285721388A handsome rich man who never worked a day in his life gets isekai'd as an ugly scrawny medieval set who must now learn the meaning of labor
>>285721388I wouldn't, I would just make a good story and do whatever I need to achieve that
>>285749578>self-aware that they're in a bad Isekaialready exists, and yes it sucks
>>285752403uh, God of War for the PS2
>>285751784That's pretty cool
>>285739323I need a second season of this so bad.
>>285721388Kotobuki had the right idea, make the isekai the plot twist rather than the premise.
>>285723769that's the point,you retard manchild plebbitor
