Hojo Tokiyuki 1353https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1027749
>>285733956aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Finally he's dead
>>285734105Fucking FAGGOTS
>>285734485Who does this piece of shit Heishi think he is to hand out the rule of the land?
>>285734557>>285734605>>285734640Rest in peace you beautiful bastard.
How is this manga compared to his earlier work, assassination classroom?
>>285734640its over
>>285734640Fucking finally. Reminder that the only good Hojo is a dead Hojo.
>>285734105Gay
>>285734664It's different, and a lot more visceral.
>>285734679>>285734640They tanked thatAlive next chapter
>>285734605>>285734640Kino
End of chapter. Rest in peace Speedy.So in the end, did he truly win?
>>285734605>>285734640>>285734679Sad but at the same time an ending I respect and like a lot. Made me feel something.
Is going to be mad funny when everyone is alive next week in tokyo in modern times
>>285733968That's some massive amounts of cope to justify being a fucking loser during his last moments before death.>>285734105Finally saying the things that needed to be said.>>285734485>I've done everything I wanted to doCope, he wanted to avenge his clan and become the ruler, decided it was too difficult, gave up, and is now pretending he never wanted it anyway to save face.>>285734764>but never fled from his fateExcept when he decided to give up on his goals and stop fighting to fuck his wifes for years.
>>285734557>>285734605>>285734640o7
How many chapters left?
>>285734105>>285734132>>285734327>>285734485Fucking slut!!! Seducing men and women, enemies and allies of all ages.
>>285734640He will live forever in our hearts.
>>285734806He won /our/ hearts.
>>285734605>>285734640>>285734679RIP
Matsui comment: >I gave it my all in order for you to enjoy reading the story of the hero with the lowest win percentage.
>>285734664In terms of enjoyment I still like Neuro the most, then Assclass and this
>>285734065>>285734105honestly this is kind of fucked upimagine someone told the real tokiyuki he'll get someone writing a story about how actually he won at everything because losing is the new winning and he was the best and most awesome guy in japan >wow really? that's great>yes but you'll also be shown as a crazy pervert who gets off on people wanting to kill him including and especially at his own execution, also the author will draw you in sexy poses and constantly imply men want to fuck you in the ass
>>285734640Goodnight, Elusive prince.If you escape your enemies you win.
>>285734039holy cope
>>285734907I lol'ddidn't the manga change most of those to wins though?
>>285734815I think he did imply his next protagonist will be physically stronger, so we'll see if he follows through. He did a good job with Tokiyuki overall.
>>285735242Meant to reply to >>285734907
>>285734105they're just like me...
>>285735242Hope he sticks to his usual routine of otherworldly mentor figure and sticc teenEven when Yorishige was around he was very much a side-character
>>285734664Way worse frankly. AssClass knew what it was doing and felt coherent, Elusive is a mess of conflicting premises that Matsui had to backtrack on halfway through the manga because the audience hated that.
In other news, the first God's Crossing in 8 years has finally formed on Lake Suwa
>>285735404Divine Power is real...
>>285734664ass is better, koro sensei won
>>285734664If the fake out deaths in AssClass annoyed you then you'll be glad to learn that most characters stay dead in this manga. And I'm saying this as someone whose favorite Matsui work was AssClass.
>>285734815>another everyone reincarnates as modern day school kids looking exactly the same why do nips like this so much
>>285734605Ok this got me
>>285735105This is feudal Japan, that wouldn't surprise him in the least
>>285735205Just because the main character says he is winning doesn't mean he is, you can just look at what is actually happening to see he is either lying or coping most of the time.
>>285734907Never thought I'd see the day a WSJ author created a bigger loser protagonist than the World Trigger MC.
And in other other news:>Matsui is participating in the 111th Tezuka Award juryhttps://ryokutya2089.blog.jp/archives/13664717.html>Also it was Matsui's birthday yesterdayI think that's it
>>285734640Alright so Tokiyuki actually died. You doomers and hatereaders whove been bitching every week finally happy?
>>285735679Osamu usually helps his team win at least. With Tokiyuki everyone he's associated with also loses spectacularly.
>>285735743wanted him beheaded
>>285735679but ossamu becomes awesomu after wire buff
>>285735743Copout doomer readers happy, shonen readers sad. Birdspirit readers in fucking shambles.
>>285734327This hurt. I'm gonna miss this series
>>285735782something something but phoenix's have to rise from ashes
>>285735782WHAT DOES HE EVEN DO?
>>285735782Birdspiritbros.... give it a week. Trust the plan.
>>285734334in the BUSSY!!!
>>285735743>died but actually he won because he killed himself but in a way that didn't count as killing himself also he was already dying so it doesn't countafter the reveal that he was dying anyway this was basically what i expected so i stopped caring
>>285735893let it go
>>285734065I want to impregnate Tokiyuki!
will we see tokiyuki's disembodied head next week?
>>285735754Osamu's loses usually culminate into one big win at the end of the arc, while Tokiyuki's victories build up to a loss that that story frames as a personal win. I don't mind Matsui's storytelling choice here but what the fuck is it doing in WSJ?
>>285735991>it was never sourcedThis whole time it was a ruse...
>>285734839I think it still needs a few for a full volume, maybe one chapter for what happens to the other characters, one chapter of timeskip to Takauji's death and playing tag with Tokiyuki in hell, one chapter for the obligatory school reincarnation ending.
>>285736019Yeah I'm not surprised it pivoted to harem comedy halfway through.
>>285734065>>285734105Reminder that is Matsui's wife and kids' ancestor that he's depicting a horny pervert that got off on leading on hundreds of men into wanting to penetrate him.
>>285734806(ToT) UWOOOOHHHH
>>285736120>the three wives see not-Tokiyuki and collectively kyaaa>he already has a girlfriend>it's reincarnated pic related
>>285734065>>285734105KEKThese probably were comments from Matsui's editors.>Matsui, why do you keep making him more and more feminine? It's hard to work like this>ror, rmao>>285734605>>285734640;_;>>285736171Matsui's wife is from the Akiie clan, not the Hojo.
>>285735525It's a buddhist thing
>>285734679But Kojiro survived
This will be the final shot of the manga
>>285736752is that the ancestor of the Neo Armstrong Jet Cyclone Armstrong Cannon?
>>285736722the real Kojiro survived
>>285734605Fucking kino
>>285734640Rest in peace to the realest man from Kamakura
>>285736722Remember they're being executed under different names and there is an actual nezu kojiro
>>285734679>rather than dying in the flames, Kojiro and Fubuki are isekai'd to the present where they meet Tokiyuki's reincarnation who is a lone orphan>the manga becomes a SoL gag story with Kojiro and Fubuki adapting to their new life and try to protect his new old lord while dealing with the chaos of the modern world>Matsui presents: Two and a Half Samurai, available on Jump's new Shonen-ai Magazine
>>285734806Thanks for the dump He got to bang his three wives and knock em up twice over, while going out (kind of) on his own terms. So yes
>>285733956Takauji is the new Sadamune
>>285734105THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING THIS WHOLE TIME
So the last chapter's gonna be called Kamakura 2026 and end with a shot from the train crossing. right?
>>285737193The real manga starts next week, featuring Takauji as the rightful protagonist
>>285734514>>285734557>>285734605>>285734640T-tanoshii...Sugoi tanoshii~
>>285734806Did the real tokiyuki died like this?
>>285737356no, he was beheaded
>>285736291The Hojo (modern) don't need raped whores in their bloodline.
>>285736918>>285737077oh right
>>285734907that glorious son of a bitch!
>>285734640kino
>>285737094Fubuki needs to reincarnate so he can be inducted into the harem properly this time.
Finding happiness despite losing physically is my favorite type of ending. I am glad that Matsui stuck to the premise and never tried to make a generic battle shounen of this.
Is there a grave for Tokiyuki? I visited his based ancestor Shiro's temple ruins and Yoritomo-dono's graves after anons recommended Kamakura-dono no 13nin so I kinda wanna do Tokiyuki next time I'm in Japan. Maybe Takauji-dono too.
>>285737654This >>285736752According to an anon in one of the previous threads it was on private property and only just opened to public recently?
>>285735242Found the page.
>>285737654Koshiro*>>285737715I can't read, I'll need to check if it's open for a limited time, I don't actually know if my next trip will be this year or next year since I plan my trips around specific events.
>There is no one left in the execution field, only the wives and Genba.>From the ashes emerge Kojiro, Fubuki, and Tokiyuki.>"Hehe, the escape was successful.">The medicine worked at the last moment, and Tokiyuki’s heart has been healed.Your reaction?
>>285738086I'd be legitimately angry.
>>285738086They have "escaped" death
>>285737770that sounds more like a joke to me
I NEED to impregnate this perverted boy
HE FINALLY SAID ITEVERYONE WANTS TO FUCK TOKIYUKI
he was MADE for impregnation
Remember when we hit consecutive bump limit threads when he finally fugged the girls
>>285738145>everyone else lives and dies for you but only you, with stable and powerful connections, can cheat deathTruly a noble
>>285738386Good times...
>>285738675Samurai weren't nobles, the nobles were in Kyoto getting boy fucked by the emperor and higher ranked nobles and priests.
>>285734806lol no, nigger died and will never see his children grow up
>>285738675this already happened with every kamakura retreat>>285738721they were nobles who became warriors, samurai wasn't used to refer to them though
Pick your seat
>>2857390132 how is this a question
>>285734557>>285734605>>285734640There goes our hero.
>>285739067>our heroMy hero was Takauji, not this twink villain.
>>285739013which seat will get me a handjob under the table during mealtime
>>285739142Not 8, anyway
>>2857391425 probably
>>285739167Rude...
Why are Hojo always such suicidal weirdos
>>285739605>is this Hojo serious
Assclass had a Hojo too but he was a jobber
>>285739605thats a l*ter hojo
>>285739013Theoretically 6 because I would pay money to talk to Sadamune and Fubuki and the first is funny as fuck, realistically though I might choose 4 because I want a window seat for the view.
>>285739778if only he took off his glasses...
>>285739959Hojo could kill Koro-sensei and full power Takauji if he could take off his glasses.
>>285740052and Neuro forma Just-Left-the-Demon-World
>>285734640>>285734679truly an elusive samurai
>>285734557>>285734605>>285734640F, you will be sorely missed ;_;7>>285734806Are there gonna be more chapters after this? thank for the dump!
>Actually dying to avoid twink deathBased, I kneel
>>285740479but he's 32
>>28574056528
>>285736120AssClass' final volume only had three regular chapters. The rest was extras.
>>285735743Lol he didn't die by execution. Shit fanfiction ending.
>>2857390133. Tokiyuki vs Takauji banter would be funny and I'd be close enough to tease Genba.
>>285734640>>285740242Kino
>>285734557>>285734605>>285734640Yes it was. RIP :')
And pick your seat for the trip back
The good thing about having multiple wives is that, even if there is no longer a dick, they can still have lesbian sex.
>>285741215Anything but 7
>>2857412676 would also be extremely dangerous. Never get between two brocons.>>2857412152. You get to sit between the two wisest men in the manga.
>>285734605KAMAKURA STYLE
>>285741787>anime somehow lasts long enough to finally reach the end>Kamakura Style starts playing through this entire scene, beginning from when the crowd starts singing along to demon come this way
>>285734679i still dont see the point of why matsui brought fubuki back.
>>285738086I don’t think Matsui is such a hack.
>>2857412152
>>285734105Based Kojiro
>>285739778I get why nobody liked this jobber, but his jobbing was one of my favorite gags in the entire series.
>>285738086If the bird spirit appears then I might forgive it.
>>285735105Feudal Japan was way gayer than this manga. If the real Tokiyuki was offended by anything it would be the comical physical weakness.
>>285738206The only MC that doesn't match that description is Neuro at the start of his series, and he was a weirdo who weakened over time.
>>285735863>>285735893>died being consumed by fireYou'd be a fool to sell now.
>we dont see the body LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>285742559It's one of my favorite gags as well.
THE STRONGEST
>>285739778>>285743006>>285743045So which Hojo is this jobber, one of Tokiyuki's descendants or a descendant of the later unrelated sengoku Hojo?
>>285743106Depends on how femboy Tokiyuki's descendants end up being. Most likely later Hojo.
>>285743106Even the people who claim descent from Tokiyuki don't use the Hojo name. Any modern person with the name Hojo is from the later clan.
>>285743202As expected of Cowardly Heishi scum, hiding with shame.
>>285734605There goes one of the few manga I still read in Jump.
>>285743202he claimed descent from tokiyuki. whether he really was or not, he still got jobbed hard
>>285743247
>>285743247At this point it's just Akane left for me.
>>285743247I was following Fabricant and Otr but Matsui's assistants just can't catch a break
>>285743247It's the only one I read.
>>285743411Otr was genuinely awful though. Artist really needs to stop trying to force his gorilla woman fetish. People like tall women. People DO NOT like tall muscly gorilla women.
>>285743411Yeah it's a shame.
>>285733956Where the fuck is S2?
>>285743476Woah if anything there wasn't enough gorilla woman in Otr, the one everyone knows about got sidelined almost immediately. Might've kept it alive a bit longer if she were part of the main group
>>285743517Where have you been, Anon?!https://www.noitamina.tv/S1 is will be rebroadcast on Fuji TV followed by S2.
>>285743411I didn't know Fabricant was a Matsui assistant work, but I can see it Also explains why I liked it so much
>>285743411>trying to rely on oneshota and inpioIf they wanted to learn how to make that work, they should have worked as assistants for Tsukushi or a shoujo mangaka. Matsui's craft is the generation of fujobucks.
>>285743599Doubt it, people didn't like the one in his previous manga enough to give it a long run either. The stories are just boring.
>>285743476>>285743599The issue with Otr was the same issue with Red Hood. The protag was very bland and had no hook. Until Kawaguchi fixes that, he's never going to succeed.
>>285743746He's down 2/3, if he fucks up another one he's out of Jump.
>>285743722Does that make Matsui's senior Sawai also fujobucks
>>285743832yeahthe early 00s were full of fujobait and bishies
>>285743767I like gorilla women and I want him to succeed but fully expect him to triple down on his mistakes.
>>285734806How many epilogue chapters after this do we think we're getting?
>>285743411The issue is Jump. I don't care about following their series until they have at least somewhere in between 50-100 chapters, and even then they might get a shitty rushed ending so I'm not really motivated to get invested into anything anymore.>>285743476A bunch of people only started reading Centuria because of the gorilla woman.
>>285744007Most likely just one. The only loose ends now are:>Tokiyuki's wives and sons>Kojiro's wife and son>Genba embracing the teachings of Descartes with Natsu>Takauji's death>maybe some more underworld shenanigans
>>285744117Centuria is actually interesting though
>>285744126elf also outlives everyone or something right?
>>285744007Two at most if they really do reincarnate in modern times. Otherwise only one.>>285744004He should just have a go as an artist to a writer. That experience might teach him what being an assistant clearly has not.
>>285744149Yes, Elfman is one of the true winners of this era.
>>285744126Going by that one face-reveal fakeout chapter, I don't think we'll ever get to see Genba and Natsu in a proper relationship, even if we can imagine it outselves
>>285734105ViZ translation is wrong.Kojirou is actually talking about the pervert face Tokiyuki is making when fleeing.
>>285744918At least the French got it right.
>>285744457>Tokiyuki loved Genba for who he was>Natsu didn'tJust write a BL manga already.
>>285744918Werry is a fujo
>>285734605Don't be so seductive while dying ;_;
>>285744918Making a sexy face and being sexy are not that different.
>>285734065>this gay nigger is having an orgasm from fetishizing his own impending murderAnd women have the audacity to call me a pervert, fucking hell.
>>285734425>>285734485Get ponk'd idiot.
>>285740688Neither did the Ko brothers. Moriyoshi also went down cooler than in real life. So that precedent had already been set.>>285737589I wouldn't say it's my favorite type of ending. But it's fitting here and consistent with the story's themes. Especially with how it is contrasted against all that Takauji suffered with his victories.
>>285734065How is this slut's reincarnation supposed to satisfy himself in modern times without armies of men to chase him around?
>>285744918Viz translation is not wrong. Kojiro is literally saying “when he is fleeing, what is up with that sexiness?” Tokiyuki’s face is not mentioned, and word “iroke” is used, which means sexual appeal.
>>285746754He will post controversial things on the internet. The individual death threats won't hit at as hard, but he can get a lot more of them.
>>285746831>Viz translation is not wrong.This may be the first time this sentence has ever been constructed.Jokes aside, I'm glad Elusive didn't get the AssClass treatment.
>>285747012Trust me, I’m the first to clown on John Werry but he’s actually correct for once.
>>285746833>Tokiyuki reads the Navy Seal copypasta and gets horny
>>285737770>assistant to bobobo mangaka>wrote neuro: supernatural detectiveI always wondered why neuro used the same gag layout as bobobo. They were both running concurrently in Jump and it was fairly noticeable when both comics were side by side in the same magazine
>>285746831>what is up with that sexinessanon, that term always refers to perversion in general
>>285737654>random 全角スペース in the middle of Yoshitoki’s name in the English translation because nobody checked the layout before printing the signboardsomebody finna get cursed by the angry ghost of Yoshit oki
>>285734211>this is like a festivalOh no
>>285747279No it is not. Iroke is used to describe sexual allure/charm, in particular a woman’s. There’s literally a Japanese wikipedia entry on it. It does NOT mean perverted/perversion. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%89%B2%E6%B0%97
>>285734679I feel like I don’t see the obvious here.So Fubuki and Kojiro just stood around until they die of heatstroke/suffocation from the fire?
>>285747619They are calmly walking into the flames to burn to death.
>>285747619They're physically walking towards where Tokiyuki was while simultaneously burning to death and spiritually going to where Tokiyuki is.
>>285747619You can see them walking Through the Fire and Flames.
>>285747619They're loyal retainers committing junshi
>>285734640the most flaming of all possible faggots
>>285744918a more accurate translation would be>why is our lord such a gaylord?
>>285748284And his three pregnant wives.
>>285748440>being so gay you actually transfer your own DNA into multiple female bodieshe is not a homo, he is the homost
>>285748809Anon...
>>285735991Who knows. It will either be bones or hot enough to render them too brittle to transport.Kinda eh ending to me. One dies of a heart attack and two bozos suicide via one of the more painful methods, as their wives watch on.
>>285749300>two bozos suicide via one of the more painful methodsIt's about sending a message.
>>285748809>the homostlmao
having the 3 main characters kill themselves should warrant a trigger warning on the chapter
>>285750875Trigger warnings are for weak people.
>>285750875The warning was the last several chapters.
>>285744007>>285744126>>285744156Pretty sure they usually say something about the next chapter being the final in these things at the end if it's the case.I think there's at least a couple chapters of epilogue coming.
>>285751388VIZ always removes editor notes
>>285734605rest in peace to a Real Patriot
>>285749727Imagine seeing your favorite character come back from a painful death only to see him die in an even more painful way.>>285749636>>285750450Artists?
>>285751388>Pretty sure they usually say something about the next chapter being the final in these things at the end if it's the case.When a series runs this long, Jump would usually say the series is reaching its climax when it's close to ending so I'm still waiting for that.
>>285735105>"And I get to have 3 wife?">"That's fucking awesome"Yeah
>>285734557>>285734605>>285734640F waka
>>285752700tbf the real one probably had way more than that
>>285752606I'm not sure. The only version I have is one saved from here. Here is another pic that appears to be from the same artist in case that helps.>>285752649Didn't they say that just before the fight where they killed Takauji's demon?
>>285752835>Didn't they say that just before the fight where they killed Takauji's demon?Matsui said he was close to the end, but the magazine itself didn't have an announcement.
>>285752835>Didn't they say that just before the fight where they killed Takauji's demon?He called it "the climax of the story", but also said that the manga would continue for a bit longer.
>>285743342I hate that I saw the ink pad and assumed it was a smartphone at first.
>>285735404Suwa Myojin approves.
>>285735105Yeah, but it also gives him 3 wives and constantly talks about how much he fucks them.
>>285734327The fact that he also takes his two closest friends to death with him, without compromise is also pretty crazy. Normally a MC would do whatever he could to protect them, even if he had to be sacrificed. Instead, he accepts they need to also die.
>>285734605Kino
>>285734907Lmao
>>285735505The only character who got revived wound up being killed this chapter, it's kinda funny.
>>285737356Impossible to know, history at that point is mixed heavily with propoganda.
>>285737589Yeah, I gotta admit I didn't see how this premise was gonna work, unless he went completely off script. But I think he did it really well. Tokiyuki lost a lot, but succeeded in everything that mattered to him in the end. And he even kinda saved the world. I'm happy with it.
>first Chika and now TokiyukiBeen a rough couple of weeks.
>>285743247Kagurabachi is my king right now
>>285734065Left leg
>>285754294>yaoi femurs
>>285749300>scenes gaijin will never understand
>>285754073This is the most atypical part of it. Sure, there's the in-universe justification for it based on who is supposed to have died with the real Tokiyuki. But having a shounen protagonist not only accept his friends sacrificing themselves with him, but doing so readily is incredibly abnormal.
>>285754073>>285754627yeah I guess they don’t do it in shonen manga but pretty much every traditional samurai story ends like this. For a lord to die and have his vassals abandon him, even on his orders, would be considered shameful by the standards of the time. If your men choose to die with you, you must have been a pretty decent lord.
>>285752771there's no record of him having any but he presumably slept around like everyone did
>>285754627a shonen protagonist would also not give up on his goals halfway through
>>285754869Nart would have given up on becoming the mayor of leaf if Sauce ended up dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBkTkxKDduc
>>285754869Him overthrowing the Ashikaga was never a realistic goal. And it had already been confirmed impossible to the audience long before Tokiyuki himself accepted it.
>>285734327How often do they have threesomes?
>>285734806In the end... he truly was... The Elusive Samurai™.
>>285754869True. If they do it it's usually right at the end like Eren and Deku. And without three wives and loyal retainers as a consolation prize. And only because their mangaka felt like it rather than them being doomed by history.
>>285754869You could say he outgrew his shonen protagonist phase as he aged.
>>285741942It's like the "we might be able to save Korosensei" incident but on a smaller scale. I guess he likes his false hope arcs.
>>285737654>>285737715http://www.vill.ooshika.nagano.jp/北条時行の供養塔を訪れる皆様へ/3934/Right, the guy who owned the property let the town build a public walking trail up there.
>>285741942If Matsui is to be believed, the real Tokiyuki was killed alongside two others. So there needed to be another sacrifice. Also, I think it'd feel off for Kojiro to offer up his life like that if no other retainer was.
>>285759652lil nigga is on official signs
>>285759906cute
>>285759906This reminds me of when Hotarumaru fujos got a replica of him made to replace the original that was destroyed/stolen in WWII. Cute boys are so powerful.
>>285744918>Trannylation adds in faggotryImagine my shock
>>285761341How is that any less gay? And did Werry make up the entire rest of that page?
>>285756541At least one every day while in prison. Only explanation for why Tokiyuki didn't get gangbanged by Takauji's soldiers.
>>285759906>be the last hope of a 100+ year ruling dynasty >fight battle after battle against insane odds to do so >eventually lose your life young And this is his legacy I'd be so honoured
>>285762206I would love to be remembered as a cute boy.
>>285733956How close is it to ending?
>>285765518id say 5 more chapters, tops
>>2857655185 minutes
>>285734640Tag, you're it
>>285765518>>285765670I'd give it two. Three at the absolute unlikliest most.
>>285762206Even though the idea of being associated with a shota (later femboy) could be disrespecting (personally I would prefer to be a beautiful man than the ugly bastard I am, even if everyone around me would think I am a slut), IMO Tokiyuki's legacy is in a better position now than before the manga began. His face was unknown, his life was a footnote on the story of the person who killed him and ended his clan, and his tomb was located in an obscure corner on someone's backyard. And now people see him as a beautiful noble man who fought against all odds, him and other people whose names and accomplishments were forgotten by most people have now countless fans around the world, and his resting people is being visited by people every day and receives offerings. The only downside is that everyone wants to fuck him in the ass, but considering Japanese history that was probably true for the real Tokiyuki as well.
>>2857390134 and Ayako and I switch seats so that she and Mima can both serve me if you know what I mean
what if IRL Tokiyuki was a fat ugly bastard?
>>285765942Prior to EluSam, this panel was the only depiction of Tokiyuki in anime, manga, maybe in media as a whole. Anyone who claims he was better off before is insane.
>>2857412155 so I can keep mumbling about how often I fuck his daughter and observe the old man's expressions
>>285766099>maybe in media as a whole.hes in some illustrations of works based off the taiheiki
>>285766400I stand corrected, thank you.
>>285766047I don't
>>285734664It has a weaker start but it ramps up to debatably higher highs. All the prophetic BS with Suwa during the exposition and first couple arcs cripples it and everything is massively improved once it's out of the way.
>>285765942it's weird because it's all based on completely invented things, tokiyuki didn't do most of what he does in the manga so it's just pretending the real guy was him
>>285766861that's how it is for most historical figures
>>285766861It is a work of fiction
>>285766907most stories with cool depictions of historical characters are based off something real though, like nobunaga and kenshin and so on actually won battles and were seen as important leadersthis is like those manga about how all of nobunaga's achievements were because of an isekai mc
>>285765518soon
>>285766775I mostly forgot about how underwhelmed I was with Yorishige during the first couple of volumes until you brought him up. He grew on me eventually but I expected him to be the obligatory weird mascot mentor of this series, except this time he's a human instead of a monster.
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