>>285986195
>argument
>in
>favor
>of
>this
>anime
what a deeply disturbing way to approach oriental cartoons
I have 0 arguments to enjoy what I like and I care for no arguments from other people either

>>285986195
Everyone that complains about Frieren sounds like they haven't even watched the show.

>>285986276
OP soundly btfo

pro tip OP: you enjoy more things when you watch them with your head pulled out of your ass

nobody is impressed that you hate a popular show or can blather at length about why it's not good

I'm not even reading your post, I'm just reading this anon's greentext reply of it, because I hold you in such disdain

>>285986195
>faggot spasm again
Like it or hate it and move on.
Heard it's written by a woman, probably why it doesn't hit all the checkmarks if you are a dude.
Scene like telling Aura to kill herself is great tho, you should do the same and KYS for repeatedly posting this.

>>285986195
Arguments are contextual. No one goes around trying to start shit by talking up Freiren. All these are replies to criticism painted in a negative light by (YOU). Frieren was good, Freirenkeks won, you lost and got raped.

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>>285986195
I like so its good

>>285986362
This was all about my criticisms to the show. Nobody made any replies to these.

>>285986195
>OP tries to make arguments against the show
>it proves he only watched 5 anime

>>285986195
Thanks OP, but I already like it

>>285986195
I've watched tons of anime and I like Frieren well enough. Autistic elf girl may be an overdone trope but she's charming. The central conceit of the show is amusing enough and triggers a sort of generic fantasy nostalgia-bait response.

Fuck worldbuilding, people don't give a shit about lore they want cute characters doing cool poses.

>>285986195
i think frieren is a pretty cool gal. seh kills demons and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>285986195
>hey theres a contradiction here
>let me type up an essay on why that isnt a contradiction
The fans are psychotic but that comes with anything that gets popular.

>>285986195
My old post illustrates perfectly how dogshit Frieren is and how retarded anime fans are.


>Every time something must be explained for the story, characters, or their arcs to move forward, there is either a flashback or an info dump that breaks the tension.

>Every time characters do something we don't think they should be able to do, we are proven wrong by a random flashback in the middle of the action or a random info dump (usually by a third-party character) that breaks the tension. An example of that is Ubel vs Sense during the second exam. The author gave us some bullshit explanation (a flashback) why Ubel actually can beat Sense, even though we know that Sense is supposed to be very strong. Another example is everything related to the mana.

>Before the third exam, when Serie talks to her sidekicks, there is a 5-minute info dump about mana. The author is not talented enough to naturally explain everything, so he needed one long scene to give us all the info we would need.

>Flashbacks in general are a huge problem. There are like five of them every episode for no other reason than just to show us the past, usually interactions between Frieren's old party.

Manga authors, when they decide to make a manga, always focus on art, and writing is always supposed to be the "easy part". Well, it isn't, and the story structure in Frieren, which is still top 1 on MAL, proves it.

This show is no better than Naruto, which also suffers heavily from random exposition. How the hell did it get a 9.3 rating on MAL? I know that your average anime fan is a huge retard, but holy shit. The characters and plot aren’t bad enough to offend me and not good enough to make me care, but the story structure is very amateurish and just laughably bad.

>>285987309
the fans should take after you and stop justifying their opinions

>>285987359
What opinion?

>>285987357
You should also talk about how the demons in the show don't make sense.

>>285986276
When I see a flipity blipity, I call out a flipity blipity
Simple as

>>285986454
Cause there's no reason to
You've constructed strawmen so you can be upset at them. You're not intrested in actual conversation or dialog. You just want to be mad. Half of your points are just directly wrong, too.
>shows no emotion
>"dropped" the emotion core
>demons make no sense
All of these are just plain wrong and you've constructed them from the standpoint of wanting to dislike the anime from the get go. You're nowhere near as smart as you think you are, btw

>>285986195
>Drops it's emotional core only an episode in
Pro Tip: This just means you didn't understand what you watched.

Havent been here for a year and the first thing i see is this retard...

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>>285986276
"just let people enjoy things" is also a rallying cry of the tasteless.

>>285988113
None of these are strawman. The show drops everything emotional about it the second the first episode ends.
The characters are constantly unemotional even in dangerous situations which would call for it. There's an entire scene in the mage exam arc where there's people getting ripped apart and the people around barely react.

The demons make no sense because they have all the intelligence to choose not to do evil, but they can't for some reason that's never explained.

>>285988304
Welcome back, king. Thoughts on stupid anime like Frieren that nobody bothered to watch but still its shilled here because we have something to collectively shit on and hate?

>>285988408
Ahh
You're that "demon intelligence" schizo
Should've known you were the one to make this retarded thread lmao
Nice redditspacing btw

>>285988403
if you had any taste you'd be into Bergman movies not LoGH or Haibane Renmei or whatever

>>285988527
>S-schizo! Ha! I have no counter to your factually correct arguments so I'll call you a schizo to dismiss all of them!

>>285988702
Who are you quoting?

>>285988770
You. You don't have any retorts for my arguments.

Anime watchers are stupid as fuck.

>>285988938
I didn't say that. Seems like you are factually incorrect in your use of the quote function

>>285989019
What do i watch for one hour while stretching before i work out? Lets hear it

>>285988408
>intelligent people could never possibly be evil
Not even LLMs are this retarded.

>>285988403
You don't have a choice whether people enjoy things. You're completely irrelevant and so is your conception of taste.

>>285989118
If the demons are sentient and have the ability to choose not to be evil, then they can't be pure evil by definition.

>>285989194
Your definition is wrong.

>>285989194
>he's still doing it

>>285989220
Explain how.

>>285989194
you have the ability to choose not to be a faggot yet here we are

>>285989220
>>285989303
>No argument

I'll address your critiques from my perspective, even though who fucking cares
>Every argument I've ever heard in favor of this anime sounds like someone who has only watched like 5 anime in their entire life. This has happened multiple times, where I encounter a fan of this show that admits they don't watch much anime, but like Frieren.
I have watched basically all the popular anime except gintama and watched many less popular ones as well, yet I like Frieren.
>>Barely anyone shows emotion
They show emotions constantly. They just don't do tropey sweat drops and embarrassment and cheesy anger every other frame like some anime. Maybe you're just too low IQ or too much of a zoomer to detect what isn't spoonfed to you.
>>Basic and breaking worldbuilding problems
Such as?
>>Show constantly tries to suck off how "cool" Frieren is
Like most anime?
>>Despite people claiming it's different from most other anime, it follows every isekai, and shonen trope, such as Tolkien races, demon villains, and a chuunin exam style battle royale
The thing that's different is pacing and style of storytelling. Battles are clearly less important than developing characters and conveying sentiments. This is an extremely stark contrast to most modern anime which are basically the opposite, where the story basically exists to facilitate fight scenes.
>>Demons make absolutely no sense in the show
How so?
>>Drops it's emotional core only an episode in
The emotional core is developed throughout the entire show via reference to what you consider dropped.
>This show is entirely held up because of the culture war shit surrounding the demons.
Nah that's completely irrelevant and the show would function just fine if demons weren't even in it at all.
>I cannot imagine any other reason why someone would be infatuated with something so empty and with nothing to say.
Most anime don't have anything to say. This one does but I think you're just too much of a zoomie to get it.

It insists upon its elf

>>285988014
Saying "I'm a retard without standards" is a good post now?

>>285989396
>They show emotions constantly. They just don't do tropey sweat drops and embarrassment and cheesy anger every other frame like some anime. Maybe you're just too low IQ or too much of a zoomer to detect what isn't spoonfed to you.
There's an entire section during the mage exam arc where there's people being bisected and ripped apart and barely anyone reacts. No matter what race, gender, background or age, they act like this.
>Such as?
Modern day food in a medieval setting? All the towns looking the exact same?
Power of imagination magic bullshit?
>The thing that's different is pacing and style of storytelling. Battles are clearly less important than developing characters and conveying sentiments
There's an entire mage exam arc that lasts for a good chunk of runtime.

>>285986195
You haven't watched it have you?

>>285989396
>How do demons make no sense
They have human level intelligence, and yet don't know what a father is? Despite having supposedly hunted humans for over a thousand years and studied to be able to mimic them?
They disappear into mana when they die, but they're also stated to be biological creatures that evolved to be the way that they are.

They have human level intelligence and self control, meaning that they should have all the ability to simply choose not to do evil, but the show never gives an explanation for why they can't do that. They're a lot like the monsters in Parasyte. The monsters in Parasyte come to the conclusion that hunting and killing people is a net negative and that cooperation with people will lead to the best outcomes with their species. The demons, by comparison, should have absolutely no trouble with doing the same thing.

It's another Tolkien Orc dilemma. Creatures that the author wants to be pure evil, because their role is to antagonized and be killed, but they've accidentally been given all the components necessary to not be evil anymore, which the author has no real explanation for. So in order to curb any hint of a dilemma they just give an answer like "Don't worry about it."

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>>285989396
Yes, such emotion when they're getting stabbed and don't react. Amazing subtlety.

>>285989395
How can one argue with gibberish?
>>285989304
For one thing "pure evil" does not have any specific definition in any moral system I can think of. And in general, one is only evil if one could have chosen otherwise: a virus is not evil as it can't reflect on its actions and not cause harm.
It's also irrelevant: whether demons can stop or not doesn't matter if they aren't going to anyway. Which they aren't because they don't want to.

>>285988403
>Oh yeah? Well what if I enjoy being a hater? You gonna let me enjoy things too?

>>285989461
>medieval setting
It's not medieval. Or historical at all.

>>285988403
Too late to talk about taste if you're watching cartoons

>>285989557
>No you see I'm going to devolve into Infinite nihilistic anti realism where nothing means anything in order to refute you
No, faggot. If you have the ability to choose not to be evil. Then you cannot be pure evil. It's literally that simple.

>>285988408
so do humans but here we are

>>285986195
>I cannot imagine any other reason why someone would be infatuated with something so empty and with nothing to say.
>For normalfags
It's an accessible anime with high production
>For autists
It's an accessible anime with high production where every character is a doujin bait

it really is that simple

>>285989623
If you don't have the ability to choose, then you are not evil

>>285989512
Parasyte handled moral greys better but it's not the focal point of this show as it was with that one. Is it your contention that every detail has to be perfectly consistent and thought out to tell a particular story? There are inconsistencies and things that are ignored because their full exploration would detract from the narrative in every story.

>>285989623
I already told you why that's complete nonsense. If you can't choose otherwise then it's not evil.

>>285989395
>same posts as always
Lol

>>285989396
There's just no reason man
He's not going to take any of this seriously, he's just going to dismiss it and continue to post the same things over and over. If you are unaware, he has been doing this for months. This is in all likelihood the "aura looks redeemable" poster who plagued the board for months on end before getting tired of banevading and changing up his schtick

>>285989674
>>285989664
Pure evil races can only exist in fiction when they're corrupted by some dark force. You're describing why we don't call something pure evil in real life.

Frieren's demons cannot be pure evil because they have the ability to choose not to be. They already have their own system of morality, there's no reason they couldn't adopt another.

>>285989702
>They already have their own system of morality, there's no reason they couldn't adopt another.
Ignoring the other nonsense, this is simply untrue. Morality has to be rooted in emotion, because that dictates behaviour.

>>285989665
>Every detail needs to be perfectly consistent and thought out
Yeah? How about fucking try as an author instead of just making slop and not knowing what you're doing with moral conundrums like this. Frieren's author does not have the ability to do any of that.

>>285989742
>Pure evil races can only exist in fiction
anon there is jews irl

>>285989755
No. You can be a completely emotionless automaton and still have your own system of morality based on logical deduction.
Just because demons don't experience love or empathy themselves doesn't mean they're incapable of observing that humans dislike it when you kill people, or realizing that murder will turn humans against them, or even deciding for themselves that murder is wrong on an intellectual level even if they have no gut aversion to it.

The series tells us that demons are just monsters and animals, but animals (and other monsters) don't behave like that. It says that demons lack empathy, but their characterization is more like demons have the Evil Gene and are cursed by an evil deity such that their reasoning and understanding of the world inevitably misleads them into evil, even when they are trying to avoid it, and even when it's completely self-destructive and self-defeating for their goals.

>>285989535
This is basically why it's pointless to discuss these topics.
>See, look at this counter example! You're wrong, the show has no subtlety anywhere because the character didn't convey clear emotions in this instance!

And would you say this show is less subtle or more subtle on average compared to the other anime you've seen?

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>>285989770
anon finally bringing out the big guns

>>285989788
Frieren is far less subtle. Basically everything is spelled out to you by the characters themselves or obnoxious flashbacks. How the fuck are you actually trying to claim otherwise?

>>285989764
What anime for example covers every single base and leaves nothing to the imagination or unexplained, has zero inconsistencies, etc?
I haven't seen one. Haven't seen it in any form of media in fact.

>>285989841
When you don't follow the logical conclusions of the things you put in the story and build up that's bad writing. Demons are awfully written because of the reasons I've laid out.

>>285989833
Less subtle compared to what for example. Which anime is making you work at all to understand the character's emotions?

>>285989785
>You can be a completely emotionless automaton and still have your own system of morality based on logical deduction
An automoton can't have a system of morality at all; it merely does as it is programmed.
You have so little grasp of the words you're using you must be an LLM.

>>285989879
You have to be an LLM if you cannot comprehend the concept of a metaphor and take everything literally. I didn't mean a literal robot you fucking retard. All of this is a pathetic attempt to try and squirm your way out of what is an obviously bad argument.

>>285989855
So which anime though?

>>285989865
Pretty much any anime that has come out in recent years.
Black Clover, Dungeon Meshi, Made in Agyss,

>>285986276
op eternally btfo

>>285989937
>black clover

>>285989937
>Pretty much any anime that has come out in recent years.
>Black Clover,
Right so you're just trolling.

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>>285986195
Frieren is good.

>>285989785
They have never been showing trying to avoid it
If you think they have, you completely misunderstand them

>>285990227
Macht didn't kill anyone for fifty years purely because he didn't want to. They clearly have control over their own actions.

>this show isn't nice to demons!

>>285990254
That's not what the argument is about
If you think it is, you're completely lost
Macht didn't do it because of trying not to be evil
The question if good and evil was utterly incomprehensible to him, he couldn't try not to be evil because he didn't even know what evil was

>>285990152
>>285990182
Does it get tiring accusing everyone who criticizes your show trolling?

>>285990334
"Everyone" is not the same as "Everyone who says it's less subtle than Black Clover"
It's no longer a question of whether Frieren is good, that's just a bullshit argument nobody would actually make in good faith, even someone who doesn't like Frieren

>>285990334
I've never made a show, so I have no idea.
It sounds like you don't really watch anime if you think most modern anime are subtle.

>>285986195
It's boring slop for normies. The only thing it has going for it is the excellent animation quality (for modern standards at least). But there's a reason why nobody gave a fuck about the manga before the anime dropped

>>285990533
S1 Frieren was the best thing that came out that year. SL was the boring slop for normies. Japanese people read more manga than watch anime. Japanese people gave Frieren s1 the W, Americans, much more accustomed to slop, gave SL the W

>>285990533
Also the manga was successful. 10 m copies sold before the anime came out. More than JJK and Demon Slayer for example which fit your description much better

>>285990333
He didn't kill humans because he didn't want to. If he had a moral compass involving not murdering people, he'd have no problem with not killing people ever.

>>285990533
>normies

>>285990152
>>285990182
Compare it to other fantasy anime with good world building, like Mushoku Tensei or Dungeon Meshi. Even Sentenced to be a Hero had more world building in these few episodes than Frieren had so far.

>>285991003
What would you rate Frieren out of ten?

>>285991059
Like 6.5/10 and I'm not even joking.

>>285986195
it needs to click. at my first watch I dropped it after three episodes

>>285991003
Do you complain that there is not enough world building in Yuru Yuri? The main plot is a journey, completely different goal than Mushoku Tensei.

>>285991168
A journey is usually about exploring a world which would need worldbuilding in that case.

>>285991122
What are some other anime that fall in the 6.5/10 range for you?

>>285991205
That depends on the goal of the journey. If it's about finding cool new things, sure. Not the case here.

>>285991235
He just doesn't get it lol

>>285991281
>>285991235
The goal of Frieren's journey is about seeing how all the people around her changed... which would involve worldbuilding because you'd need to explain those locations and how they were before.

>>285986276
fpbp but well attempted by >>285989396 even though they will just move goalposts again
90% of critiques of this show are just bizarre headcanon by people who didn't even pay attention or outright schizoposting like the same demon morality retard who has shown up again it seems

It's funny how you can have a nicer and more productive discussion with reasoable arguments about Frieren on other board like /tg/ or /co/. Even /int/ had a thread about recently that was way better than anything on /a/.
>>285986276
That being said, FPBP, in spite my distaste for the series.
>>285991209
NTA but I give it a 6/10 or a 5/10. Kabaneri, most romcoms, anything Shinkai, Zeta/ZZ Gundam.
>>285991235
Hakumei and Mikochi and Tegamibachi have way better worldbuilding.

>>285986276
FPBP
If you need an anime to have its existence justified to you, you are not an anime fan.

>>285991305
No. Just no. You don't need to know the history and background of a country to get to know its residents. This story is Frieren's. She doesn't care about those things. She only just recently started caring about people. She wants to appreciate the encounters she has.
If there's a single anime you can compare it to, it would be Violet Evergarden.

>>285991542
Just because this story is Frieren's doesn't mean that nothing else in the story matters. By that logic, what's the point in giving backstories to anyone but her?

>>285991583
To elevate her encounters.

>>285991616
So why not expand the world too?
>N-NO BECAUSE UH UH UH
Shut the fuck up, retard. This series has awful worldbuilding. It's a perfectly correct criticism to make about it.

>>285986276
Thread over, go home everybody

>>285991542
This feels like an elaborate troll but I can't tell.

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>>285986276
FPBP op is a faggot.

>>285986276
based
>>285986195
Anus annihilated, buttocks blasted, colon cremated, dookie devastated, excretory system eviscerated

>>285986276
that's not how it works in america bud, you commie leftist

>>285991663
>>285991801
>>285991806
>>285991838
>"I'm a retard with no taste."
>"FBPBFBPB"
Actually 75IQ thread.

>>285991542
It's funny that not many people bring up Violet Evergarden despite being quite similar to this show. VEG is better even if only because it's properly concluded while Frieren is dragging on for no reason.

Bro i understand some anime cam be corny but as long as its not cp and allat just let someone enjoy it

>>285989133
treating art with relativism has been a disaster for all media but sure, I'm just one guy.

>>285986195
>Basic and breaking worldbuilding problems
Like what

>>285991894
Edomae elf is also very similar, but it did far more than Frieren in half the run time
>>285991932
Modern day food in a medieval setting?
Anti-magic rocks?
Power of imagination bullshit?

>>285991907
Making the imaginary objective measuring stick your primary way of evaluating art is just as bad as pretending the measuring stick doesn’t exist.

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>>285991957
Anon, you are talking to literal mongoloids. Give up.

I'd really like an explanation where Hamburg, the city of the hamburger is in Frieren.

>>285991806
But that post is agreein with OP.

>>285990689
He doesn't gave a moral compass that incolves anything at all
The very concept of evil is lost of him
That's why "because he didn't want to" is so fragile and evenrually led to attempted genocide

>>285992063
Anon, you're not understanding the point that he has the self control to not kill people. And if he can do that, along with adopt a different moral code, then there's nothing stopping other demons from doing it as well.

>>285986195
>so empty and with nothing to say.
And there's the crux of the issue. You're a failed normalfag who has no fullfillment in your miserable day to day life so you look for media to fill that hole for you. Meanwhile other people just enjoy the ride and treat media as what it is, entertainment.
This is something you "message", "point", "theme" or "something to say" brainlets will never understand. You're so caught up being a pseud that the only thing you can enjoy is the smell of your own farts.

>>285992148
>It's good because it's about nothing

>>285991863
>I need an 8 hour video essay by some jewchudder to tell me why i should like an anime
Ok retard.

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>>285992081
I am understanding the point
My argument is that the problem does not emerge from a lack of self control
The reason we're still at this stage of the conversation if you've misunderstood me, not the other way around
From the very beginning I have acknowledged that they have the required self control to reject evil, but maintained that they still cannot be good because they are lacking something else entirely
They cannot reject evil, because they don't know what evil is
Not because they don't think killing humans is evil, not because they just don't realize that humans suffer, not for any other reason like that, but because evil itself is something they don't understand

>>285992243
What is that "thing" they're lacking? Never explained. And especially not in a way that doesn't apply to other races and characters that can.

>>285992148
Behold: a midwit that knows midwits exist but insists he isn't one

>>285991966
You are by definition arguing it doesn't exist when you deflect with "myself and people enjoy it so it's good".

>>285992270
They lack the capacity to understand good and evil, they cannot feel malice, they cannot regret, they cannot feel grief, and they cannot love
This is very clearly laid out

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>This thread.

>>285992305
Behold: a midwit so triggered by the post he's reading he hallucinated a whole different meaning to it (it wasn't about midwits)

>>285992357
Except that's clearly not true because they have their own system of morality. They think hiding mana and trickery is wrong and that other demons dying is wrong. There's no explanation about this being a part of their mimicry since it's something only demons care about.

They also clearly can comprehend that humans have their own morals and what think of as good and evil. Even if they can't feel any of those things, that doesn't make them wholly irredeemable nor incapable of adopting a different set of morals.

>>285992428
That is all PRIDE

>>285992340
It exists as a shared lens to view art, it does not exist as it is described “the only/objective” way to view art. Useful as a springboard or a common language to branch off of, not as a be all end all.

>>285992463
A very complex very human emotion. And no, it's not just all pride since they care about this even when not in a fight or in any conflict.

>the demons in Frieren are evil
>REEEEEEEEEEE

What I don't get about frieren is how she has a convenient memory of himmel & co for almost anything interesting that happens in the present. It's like her whole life is a damn rehash of that 10 yo trip

>>285992495
>YOU CAN'T CORRECTLY POINT OUT A MORAL CONUNDRUM THE STORY IS HANDLING POORLY

>>285992401
I didn't say that's what it was about
I said that's what you are
I could break down the post more specifically, but it wouldn't matter much
You're still approaching the issue with the mindset that rejecting the pursuit of deeper meaning and purpose is the more intelligent way to appreciate stories, giving yourself an excuse to feel like you're being smart by mindlessly consuming
If Frieren is good, it's for far better reasons than "I had fun" and if it's bad the case is still the same. Even if you did have fun, there are reasons why you did that are worth examining.

It’s funny how few people ask themselves what an anime is trying to do, instead they usually bring something to an anime that they want it to do.

>>285992428
They don't think it's wrong, they think it's strange, frustrating, and kinda gross
You don't need morals to be repulsed by raw meat
And as to other demons dying... They don't think it's wrong either, they think it's inconvenient and damgerous to them. Like a tool or weapon breaking.

You can intellectually justify anything to be bad, if you’ve already made your mind up about it.

>>285992708
>They don't think it's wrong, they think it's strange, frustrating, and kinda gross
This is some insane levels of reaching. Holy fucking shit. Frieren fans are actual fucking retards.

They think it's morally wrong to do these things. That's why their entire culture is about these things. If they were truly amoral, they wouldn't think that way. A demon, a monster with supposedly no morals, felt like an injustice was done. Lugner says this about Fern when she reveals she was hiding her mana.

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>>285992148
And there's the crux of the issue. You're a failed normalfag who has no fullfillment in your miserable day to day life so you look for media to fill that hole for you. Meanwhile other people just enjoy the ride and treat media as what it is, entertainment.
This is something you "message", "point", "theme" or "something to say" brainlets will never understand. You're so caught up being a pseud that the only thing you can enjoy is the smell of your own farts.

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Fat!

I'll never forget watching the Aura the Guillotine arc where they made a big deal about how Frieren and her master came up with a fool-proof and karmic way of beating the demons and it was like: "Don't let them know you are stronger than them"

>>285992733
Maybe it's poorly demonstrated, but it makes more sense than "actually the entire story is self contradictory"
Unless you're going into it already with the assumption that it's going to be a mess that undermines itself, rather than accepting what it gives you amd then evaluating it by its merits once you have it all laid out to see

When I see a new show I also hop on reddit and survey the consensus to decide whether I have permission to watch and enjoy it or not. Very cool thread, OP.

Reminder that all these threads are made by a single schizo that likes to start endless arguments about why demons use language for things other than manipulating humans

>>285986195
I get it. You're jaded as fuck and you went in watching it expecting to hate it because the "normies" like it and it's popular. Big fucking surprise, you hate it because you nitpick it to death with stupid shit that doesn't matter except for terminally online schizos that really need to touch grass.
The thing is, there was no universe in which you would have found it enjoyable because of the fucked up mentality you went in with, and you know it.

>>285986276
This is fine, even though some people really enjoy and get off eating literal shit, I don't care, people can eat shit all they want. The problem is when the shit eater community starts going out of its way to portray shit eating as the best thing you can ever do. How it's super healthy, how it has tons of benefits, how everyone should do it, how it's le based.

>>285993132
How is any of what I said nitpicking?

>>285992952
>Its not actually a contradiction if I don't want it to be
Actually fucking pathetic.

>>285993048
Why do Indians in India learn and speak English amongst themselves outside of English countries?

>>285993135
Why do you care? Just don't eat shit.

>>285993132
No, it's just badly written and it's not going to be anything other than that.

>>285992572
>Demons are evil
>This is a moral conundrum
Go back to your island Jeffrey.

>>285993366
It's not always particularly impactful or exciting but each episode does have a pretty clear lesson/idea. For something intentionally light hearted like this, I think it's fine.

If it was trying to make grand philosophical takes or something, and missing the mark, it might be a different situation.

>>285986195
don't care, post feet

>>285993279
To hone their scamming skills, obviously. All their prey speak English. The same is true of demons learning human tongues.

>>285993334
If someone pushes out a public opinion and explains why something is the best, It's entirely fair for me or anyone to push out a response explaining why they're retarded in thinking that.

>>285993366
I don’t understand why this guy gets so enraged about other people liking Frieren. Is it possible he has brain damage? Is this a sign of rabies? A lot of people in his country get rabies.

>>285993623
So what you're saying is that Frieren is basically the anime version of children's books.

>>285992174
>it's an anime about nothing jerry

this thread sucks, why can't I have a Frieren thread full of fans who like the show? it's all just haters here

>>285993748
Wait til Frieren friday, then the thread will only be 70% haters.

>>285993209
You're clearly not reading

>>285993643
well looks like you're going to have a lot of explaining to do

>>285993748
You could simply create your own thread, and even then, didn't frieren have weekly circlejerk threads even after S1 ended and there was nothing to talk about? So what are you even complaining about.

>>285993764
Those threads are 90% eceleb botposting.

>>285993785
It has already been done multiple times since S1 was airing and finished airing and will continue on forever

>>285993895
Sounds like a rough business to be in

>>285993948
True

>>285993728
Nearly all anime, tv shows, movies, and novels fit that description. If you want enlightenment you’re not going to find it looking at a tv screen

>>285993570
It's a moral conundrum when they're free willed sapient individuals.

>>285994033
their existence by nature puts them in an irrevocable state of war with humanity and your stance puts you on their side, so you get the same treatment.
Morality doesn’t matter when survival is at stake. Ponder this in your next life I guess

>>285994178
If they're sentient, then they have free will to change their beliefs and coexist with human beings. Anything with human level intelligence should be able to do that.

>>285994203
Even if they could, they won’t.
Even if one could, the rest won’t.
Even if they all did, they would remain by their nature an existential threat to the human race.
It would be worth eliminating every demon if it would save a single human life.
Anyway you know what happens to traitors so please go stand against the wall.

>>285993995
No, they don't. I don't need a TV series to reinvent math or make me rethink my life's philosophy but if it's going to be pushed as something more than shallow entertaining I'd expect it to have more than simple episodic moral lessons with very little going for it besides that.

>>285994339
Yes, they do. Movies and TV are children’s entertainment for oversized children. There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with that but it’s simply the reality.

frieren sex

>>285994402
So you're just arguing something completely unrelated now, ok. I'll engage with it anyway.
So what is an adult's entertainment, then?

>>285994435
shooting guns in the backyard

>>285986195
So don't watch it and stop going into threads about it or posting about it. Simple as.

>>285986305
YOU DIDN'T WATCH is a poor deflection to say when you can't argue the point

>>285994440
What about downing a couple of beers with the boys before going hunting, then going camping and roasting our wild game while we complain about how much we hate our bitchy wives and how Junior is doing well in soccer practice?

>>285989788
>gets stabbed in the chest
>have zero reaction to it even as the attacker says the victim is surprised
>this is considered acceptable because the show has elves

>>285994435
you are on a board where people watch children’s cartoons and literally play with dolls and you are actually making this argument
I’m not saying people shouldn’t do it but please at least be honest

>>285994299
>T-they won't because they just can't okay!?
Pretty much all the explanation that the series gives.

>>285994628
Would you like a blindfold or cigarette?

>>285994594
It's funny how in order to dodge the criticism you fags needed to pivot this into "EVERYTHING IS CHILDREN'S ENTERTAINMENT, WE'RE ALL CHILDREN AND OVERSIZED CHILDREN SO IT'S FINE!!!"
Genuinely pathetic.

>>285994701
The Frieren fanbase is genuinely a cult. I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase more vitriolic against criticism.

>>285986195
Safe horny

>>285994701
>>285994711
>the man angry at being called out for playing with dolls is now frothing at the mouth and raging at the whole board
embarrassing

>>285986195
It's funny how EVERYONE in this thread watches Frieren every Friday when a new episode is released.
You guys pretend to hate this show so much, it's hilarious.

Maybe the criticisms would get more honest discussion if they were not explained very simply in-world, explained with the tiniest bit of common sense, or were not just straight up dishonest. This thread is more proof that haters aren't bringing their best. This really all comes back to people getting triggered because it has a high MAL score and normies like it. But who gives a shit about that really?

>>285986195
Y'know the one time I had some hope for Frieren? When she was crying over the Hero guy's death (I forgot his name it's such a forgettable faggot nigger trash show for faggot nigger pieces of trash).

>>285994946
Explain how what I said was wrong.

>>285994946
Gives us an example of honest criticism then. This should be easy if you aren't just a fanboy trying to invalidate criticism.

>>285995271
The new OP does not fit the show very at all. S1's didn't either but this one is much worse in my opinion.
You're welcome.

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>>285986276
Based.

Frieren's biggest sin is setting itself up as something close to a SoL fantasy iyashikei but then slowly devolving into a generic battle shonen.

>>285995413
Related to the writing of the series, retard.

>>285986195
I hope I never get to where you are. I can see it slowly creeping in over time, and I have to actively fight against it.
>>285986276
FPBP.

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>>285986276
Giga based.

>>285995878
our FUARKING hero

>>285986195
It is astroturfed as shit and once again despite being the critical darling industry plant fuck all people are actually going to put their money where their mouth is

>>285995878
What would Frieren do if Himmel reincarnated and was saving people from wildfires?

>>285995878
Are the staff in this event/mall so utterly incompetent that Mr. Himmel cosplayer had to pull up to save the day? What the actual fuck

>>285995682
this is the biggest complaint I have
what the fuck is this tournament arc shit and all the political shit in the most recent manga arc
why does every series have to become fucking dragon ball or palace intrigue power struggle with stasi vs gestapo #379
please stop
I want a show that is 100% fucking around and filler

>>285986195
my argument is that watching it makes me feel happy

>>285986195
It's going to be funny watching the meltdown from people who didn't vote for Frieren complain when it loses out on a crunchyroll award again. Bonus points if it's best character again and loses to a shonen like JJK

>>285996435
yes because people on this board really care about some USA streaming site’s awards.
gosh gosh what if Viz doesn’t select Frieren for its #1 elf ears award this year, omg what are we going to do
what if pingas press doesn’t give fern a blue ribbon hog award what are we going to do help help tell me what are going to do

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>>285994547
Arguing with someone weather they should or shouldn't watch a series seems beyond a moot point to me. I don't care if you watch this series. It doesn't affect me in the slightest and I can careless your reasons for not watching it either.

>>285994837
I don't watch it and her mary sue rey skywalker frieren whore is annoying as fuck. The show bore me to tears.>>285996885
You sound mad.

>>285995995
Set new wildfires so she could spend more time with him

>>285986195
Retarded series for normalfaggots

>>285998260
And spics from /dbs/

>>285993279
I've heard the explanation that it's a neutral language they use to communicate with other indians because india's actually over a dozen countries mashed together.

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>>285988403
No it's not. I am free to call whatever they like shit. I'd be a fool to demand justifications from them as to why they enjoy something I deem shit. Sometimes people enjoy bad things.

>>285998166
You sound mad

>>285998166
This doesn't make any sense at all. What does Frieren have to do with a random series you mentioned?

>>285998823
he’s so mad he’s just mashing words together.
he cannot bear the realization that nobody cares about his opinion on a particular anime.
he considers himself a pillar of the intellectual anime community; a giant who shapes public opinion; one who has earned respect, at least in his own mind.

>>285986195
ppl who dont like frieren just dont have a gaelic or teutonic blood memory bcuz thats really what the show acts upon... for japs its the inner imperialist but to a brownoid its just a boring show about an elf walking around occasionally getting into a fight, they dont get any of the cultural resonance lol

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>>285989401
damn

>>285999352
What the fuck are you talking about pol fag?

>>285986276
FPBP /thread

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>>285986276
Is this what Himmel the hero would have done?

>>286000176
I think he’s saying that individuals of low albedo do not enjoy walking through the forest doing nothing in particular.
as an #FFFFFF I can neither speculate on the matter, nor step out of the shade between 10:00 and 14:00

Ok I'll take the bait.
>the demons make no sense
The demons minds are alien, their brains just do not work the same way as humans and are not capable of the same thought processes. They are basically the result of taking an AI and giving it the prompt "Evolve in order to optimize yourself to hunt the most humans and cast the strongest magic" and then let that AI generate millions of generations. It does not matter that they appear to emulate human emotion and thought, just like ChatGPT it is all fake and only exists to optimize for more humans hunted.
>demons can't be pure evil
"Evil" is a human concept.

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>>285992397
>meme made by a brainlet
FTFY

>>285986276
fpbp
OP an eternal faggot

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>>285995878
Himmel larpers are so powerful

>>285995841
This one seems fair desu >>285995682

>>286001790
What Himmel actually would have done was incapacitate the knife guy in .02 seconds with his superhuman speed. A guy who is super heroic and super powerful is not that relatable or interesting.

>>286001790
Pretty sure Himmel wouldn't have injured himself against a weak thug, and he'd be lifting heavier than 1 plate.

>>285986195
Harry Potter of anime?

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Himmel loved filipinos

>>286002273
strongest race

>>285986195
Because most wannabe weebs who discovered japanese cartoons in lat 5-6 years are not watching much and they don't know anything older than 2019. They think that the most standard story is somehow original.

>>286002886
Anyone on 4chan /a/ in 2026 is going to be a middle aged hikkikomori who has been watching anime for decades
this is not the cool kidz sekret klubhouse anymore, it is not 2006
Nobody under 30 is going to come here when a dozen more popular and less annoying options are available.
we are in the geezers club anon, and so are you

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>>285986195
Cute elf is enough for me.

>>286003135
>Nobody under 30 is going to come here when a dozen more popular and less annoying options are available.
This place's anonymity and lack of post history will always appeal to the socially anxious, regardless of their age

>>285993279
>>285998591
>Why do Indians speak English?
Are...are you seriously asking this? Is this the power of American education? Could you point to Pakistan on a map?

>>285986276
I don't disagree with you, even if I don't like this anime, you definitely don't have to argue about someone that's trying to put down what you like, but I'm sure you have "arguments" as to why you like stuff, you can't be thoughtlessly consuming it, even if you wouldn't argue with people about why you like it

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>>285986276
Based. OP BTFO

>>286001642
Demons in Frieren are not like AI. I don't know why everyone repeats this retardation.
LLMs are not intelligent. They do not have an innate sense of self or the ability to choose. They are in effect autocomplete programs trained on millions of parameters. Fictional AIs like Skynet are not applicable because they are either individual agents or hivemind. Frieren demons are portrayed as free willed sapient individuals with senses of self and variance in personality.

>>285986276
fpbp, op can fuck right off with his ragebait bot thread bullshit
>>285988403
but nobody is saying that. i just enjoy what i enjoy, i don't care what other fucking people think about that. i don't care if they "let me enjoy it", or "don't let me enjoy it", because i don't think about what they think about my hobbies at all. there's literally zero time i dedicate to thinking about what other people want or think or have to do with my hobby. there's only one opinion on my hobbies that matters, and that's my opinion.

>>285996040
the overwhelming majority of people are completely oblivious to any danger. remember that chick that went to have a selvie with a fucking snow leopard, and got heir fucking face torn off? that's basically most people

>>285986195
Didn't we have this exact same thread awhile back?

>>286004640
Slop

>>286005006
yes, these threads are basically automated spambots
take a look at /v/, bot and shill threads are extremely obvious over there

>>285986276
wew op btfo
/thread

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>>285986195
>Barely anyone shows emotion
the fuck is this guy smoking?

>>286005827
>>286004640
>>286000491
>"I'm a retard and proud!"
Actual 75iq thread.

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>>285986195

I´ve watched more anime than you have and i like the show. Your whole post is just a bait to talk about the demons again.

I'm still not gonna forgive chariot

>>285986195
Not gonna lie, I think the chubby purple-haired girl would look cute wearing an XL plain white plastic-backed adult diaper. Though it's the silver-haired girl with pigtails that often gets put in them in art. She does seem big baby coded from what I've seen of her.

>>285986195
Ever consider that the purple girl gets huge tits after episode 5?

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>>285986276
FPBP

>>285987357
>flaunting a 2024 pass thinking your opinion has more merit
literally retarded, didnt even read your post, kys.

>>285991863
>>286006196
what could have happened in anon’s life to make him this angry? It must be a sad tale indeed.

>>286006897
hey now that man paid real, actual money to post on 4chan.
this is clearly a sign of profound intelligence and we should take his words more seriously.

>>286007075
theres no reason to show the pass unless it's for trolling or baiting, if you use it for other purposes you might have brain damage

>>285986195
>>Barely anyone shows emotion
are we watching the same show, emotion is the central part of most of the conflicts, are you actually a retard to not realize what emotion looks like?

>>Basic and breaking worldbuilding problems
mention one, faggot

>>Show constantly tries to suck off how "cool" Frieren is
And how "uncool" she is through the slice of life scenes. even in the manga she is not the "best", she is the "great mage", not "best at everything".

>>Despite people claiming it's different from most other anime, it follows every isekai, and shonen trope, such as Tolkien races, demon villains, and a chuunin exam style battle royale
are these people in the room with us? the world building is unique because of the demon's powers and power scaling based on each situations.

>>Demons make absolutely no sense in the show
it doesn't make sense to a brainlet, even when it's explicitly described on why the demons are bad lmao

>>Drops it's emotional core only an episode in
did you only watch the first episode? that explains a lot.

>>286007134
I am of the opinion that possessing it in the first place may be a reliable indicator of brain damage

>>286007282
>are we watching the same show, emotion is the central part of most of the conflicts, are you actually a retard to not realize what emotion looks like?
There's an entire section in the mage exam arc where people are being bisected and ripped apart in front of people and they show barely any reaction. Everyone in the show, no matter their race, gender, age or background behaves with the same monotone, boring expressions and general nonchalantness about everything.
>mention one, faggot
Modern food in a medieval fantasy setting
Anti Magic rocks.
Every town looks the same.
Demons making no sense.
>are these people in the room with us? the world building is unique because of the demon's powers and power scaling based on each situations.
That's not unique at all. What the fuck are you talking about?
>And how "uncool" she is through the slice of life scenes.
There's an entire mage exam arc dedicated to jacking her off. She's constantly proven right about everything.
>it doesn't make sense to a brainlet, even when it's explicitly described on why the demons are bad lmao
They have all the sentience and understanding of morality to be able to adopt a new set of beliefs and change their behavior, but for some reason can't for a reason that's never stated.
>did you only watch the first episode?
No argument?

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>>286001790
HimmelCHADs can't stop winning.

>>286001975
>>286002032
Demon scum hands wrote this.

>>286007507
>it's the demon schizo

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>>285986276
Actually you should have arguments in favour of what you like. For example in this one, I think the sisters are very hot. It's a very good argument. I believe kiss x sis is vastly more enjoyable than frieren.

>>286007282
he expects his anime characters to constantly face fault and scream all their lines, and insists that all their mouths get really big to emphasize how loud they are talking
he believes that characters who have in some cases killed people already and in some cases had their whole towns slaughtered in front of them should panic at the sight of blood while walking around a known combat area heavily armed.

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>>285986195
Here's an argument in favor of this anime: you are a big fat faggot. fat fat faggot fat faggot
Faggot.

>>286007282
Don't bother. He will never actually understand anything that is explained to him no matter how simple. And he will just be back again tomorrow spouting the exact same word for word retardation. He's been doing it for weeks and will never stop. He's just a schizo with zero self awareness or self reflection.

>>286007920
>>286007780
Is there some kind of giant psyop where this site is adopting the tactic of blaming any argument they can't refute on schizos?

>>286007507
>I can’t understand why this serial killer doesn’t stop murdering people, I mean he can speak right? It’s a really unrealistic charactACK

>>285986276
As always, fpbp.

>>286007965
Demons having sentience, intelligence and an understanding of morality means that they should have no problem changing their beliefs and coexisting with human beings.

>>286007962
Please try and look within. The answer is right there. I believe in you (I don"t)

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heres an argument in favour

>>286007998
>people cannot be innately evil, it's the fault of their upbrining!!!!
>everything must be grey!!!
kill yourself

>>286008275
People can't be inherently evil because they have all the sentience, intelligence and an understanding of morality to be able to choose not to be.

>>286007962
Yes the entire site is secretly conspiring to point out that you are a schizo when you make schizoposts.
I am currently on the phone with this anon >>286007905 and this anon >>286007780, and talking on discord with >>286006878, >>286006897 and >>286005858.
>>286004312 and I are having clandestine communications using a pair of old fisher-price walkie-talkies and about 500 of those cell phone power boosting stickers that the Tajikistani guys sell from those little huts in the mall where they used to sell sunglasses and moving-sand pictures.
All of this to undermine your brilliant insights into a cartoon show about magical elves. You have uncovered the grand conspiracy.

>>286007998
Jeffrey Dahmer will still drill a hole in your head and pour acid in, because he thinks it is fun and doesn’t care that you don’t think it is fun.

>>286008592
UGH u dont understand, he was just le poor misunderstood abused by mommy kid!!!

>>286008621
>>286008592
Keep ignoring the point.

>>286004368
My ancestors made that country up as a prank before they left India. Who cares.

>>285993639
lmaod

>>286008700
so thats why this place stinks

>>286008695
keep ignoring reason, logic, and objective reality.

>>286008770
You mean the objective reality of human sentience and the ability to make your own decisions?

>>285986195
>arguing over anime
I can smell you bro.

>>285987357
>>285986195
What's an example of an actual well written anime/manga that stands on its own separate from anime/manga as a medium to be recognized as an objectively good story?

>>286008856
No, the objective reality that there are actual real people in the actual real world who will and do act in exactly the same way that you claim it is unrealistic for fictional fantasy demons to act.

It's interesting schizo-kun talks so much about the importance of sentience but has none of it himself. Makes me think his whole shtick is actually to show how believable the demons are in Frieren and that he's actually a huge fan.

>>286009200
People in the real world don't act like badly written fantasy creatures, which the demons are. Demons have all the sentience, intelligence and self awareness to be able to make their own decisions and to choose to stop being evil. If they have that choice, the entire race cannot be considered pure evil.

Are you going to keep dodging this point, or do I have to keep reiterating it?

>>286009200
Hes just going misunderstand your point again like he always does and loop again forever. Oh wait too late

>>286009479
>Directly refutes your point
>I'm just going act smug and not only pretend you didn't, but that you didn't understand the argument because I'm a Frieren fan and too heckin high IQ for you.
This is fucking sad.

>>286007885
kissxkiss is objectively a bad anime, as are all animes with nbr relationships

>>286009583
The fact that you think you have refuted anything just shows how schizo you are. You are living in a fantasy world of your own creation and you warp anything that's said to you into what you want to hear.

>>286009240
It’s pointless to engage him because he just ignores anything you say and repeats the same copy and paste argument even when every point of it has just been disproved. I actually have a hard time believing he’s an actual human being and suspect he might be a spare /pol/ spambot that somebody sent over here for giggles

>>286009675
Okay, then refute the point here.
>>286009342

>>286009676
>It's pointless to engage because he keeps posting factually correct arguments that can't be refuted

>>285986276
>cartoons
>>>/r/eddit
Beyond that, BASED and FPBP, still it's shit... But anons can like it, It happens to me all the time.

>>286004640
kill yourself diddyblud

>>286009715
Your point was literally pre-refuted by the anon you responded to like always. You just didn't read or understand it so you just repeated your loop again

>>286009918
>Your point was literally pre-refuted by the anon you responded to like always.
Um, no it wasn't.
Serial killers choosing to do bad things doesn't refute the fact that they can choose to not do those things or choose not to be evil, same thing with the demons.

Again, are you going to keep dodging or actually address this point?

>>286009779
we’ve been calling them Chinese cartoons for probably 20 years now.
but anyway yeah nobody has to justify why they like or don’t like anything. Like, if I like something but you think it’s shit, then I agree that you think it’s shit and say you probably shouldn’t watch it. Policing what other people are allowed to like and dislike is cringe in the extreme.

>>286010008
Anon, frieren fans are subhuman. Its pointless to try and reason with them.

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Milliarde!

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>>286011595
Frieren the slime

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>>286009342
>People in the real world don't act like badly written fantasy creatures
like that guy in germany that took a dude that wanted commit suicide, cut off his dick and ate it together, then killed and ate him?
or that german dude that gave candy to kids in a concentration camp he was in and then literally gassed them or injected poison straight into their hearts
or that dude that was a king of a country and another country slighted him, so he wiped it off the face of the earth
or that dude that thought "hey people should emprace being a peasant" and 1,5milion people died
or that king dude that ran the kongo and milions of people died because he would brutalize the enitre nation
or that dude in wild west that went around raping and torturing people, like when he tortured a man for 2 weeks, then cut off his dick, ate it, poured peroxide on the wound, wrapped it in vaseline covered handkerchief, threw 10 dollars on the man and kissed him goodbye
or that dude that made a literal rape van, and drove around the country kidnapping kids, and putting on a tape for them where he'd tell them(on the tape, on tv), how would he torture them, in extreme detail
you mean shit like that? shit that's infinitely times worse than some demons in some anime, you motherfucking retard?

>>286010008
>they can choose to not do those things or choose not to be evil
why don't they?

>>286012313
>The series never explains why. Which is the problem.
LMAOOOOOOO
>the demons could totally not be evil
>ok how
>i dunno, but they could
HHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHA

>>286011983
Is that any way to treat your shishou. Really

>>286012336
The series never explains why.
>>286012252
Demons have all the sentience, intelligence and self awareness to be able to make their own decisions and to choose to stop being evil. If they have that choice, the entire race cannot be considered pure evil. Address this point or concede.
>>286012336
Anon, you're missing the point, yet again, most likely on purpose. The series has given them all the capabilities necessary to be able to change their beliefs, but yet hasn't given an explanation for why they're seemingly unable to that wouldn't also apply to other races that can.

>>286012371
nah anon, it's just you're an unbielevable retard, that's it. i'm gonna give you one more greentext, because it's simply not worth my time to engage in a conversation with a literal fucking mongoloid such as yourself
>the demons can not be evil
>how?
>i dunno
>why?
>i dunno
>for what?
>i dunno
>but they can

also
>Demons have all the sentience, intelligence and self awareness to be able to make their own decisions and to choose to stop being evil. If they have that choice, the entire race cannot be considered pure evil. Address this point or concede.
sure, i'll address it
see that bit at the beggining where you assert something without any evidence? the "Demons have(...) "bit. that's what makes your whole argument moot, you see, because you just saaid that without providing any proof whatsoever. also2
> the entire race cannot be considered pure evil.
cool but nobody cares, you see. demons kill and eat people, frieren kills demons, the show goes on. that's all i wanna see here. if i wanted to see complex moral dillemas on screen, i'd go watch fucking psycho pass or some shit, okay? all i want from frieren is cool comfy sidequests and evil dudes being zooltraked. i know you don't understand it because you try to act like an intelligent person while being a fucking retard, and i forgive you. just stop shitting this board with your idiocy. spare us, okay? kthxbai

>>286012371
>Demons have all the [snip]
They don't, they are monsters who evolved to mimic human emotions without actually feeling them. Cf. psychopaths, sociopaths etc.

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>>286012765
No, I've already explained that they have everything that's needed to change their beliefs and not be evil anymore. The series gives no explanation for why they can't that doesn't also apply to other characters or races who can change their beliefs such as elves and humans.
>>286012799
Just because you're a sociopath doesn't mean you can't have morality. And also, they regularly act like people even when they believe that no human is watching them. They regularly show anger, shock, fear etc in ways that cannot be explained by just them mimicking people to get an advantage, because it's so often not beneficial in any way.
>Demons call Frieren a bitch or get mad at her when she kills them.
>Demons often are seen gloating in battle
>Pic related

>>286012799
Also, everything I said about them is demonstrable. They are demonstrably sentient, and have a human theory of mind. They are free willed sapient individuals with senses of self and variance in personality. They have an understanding of morality and strictly adhere to their own such as them thinking hiding mana is wrong and other demons dying is wrong. They have an entire culture about this.

They have all the components required to adopt a new belief system.

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>>286006196
Looks like someone needs a head pat

>>285995841
>moving the goalpost