By me.
>>286097225me inside
This could be just my memory being bad, but I felt like this episode deviated the most from the manga so far.Cutting the part where Makio is surprised about her sister never getting married feels like it hurts her characterisation, since you miss out on Makio realising that her image of her sister doesn't fully align with reality.
RIP Google
AOTY
"Shameless" doesn't seem like the right word since she's literally apologizing in shame
Your choice?
Have you watched FGT?
>>286097875I'm not a fgt
>>286097460>since you miss out on Makio realising that her image of her sister doesn't fully align with realityAnime only, I got the impression she did (like when Emiru's mom compares her to her sister) but maybe it was too subtle compared to the manga.
>>286097875No.
>>286097614Easily, but few people here will probably agree. Every episode feels so densely packed (in a good way), its a real palate cleanser to most shows which struggle to fill even 20 minutes with something worthwhile.
Rate MILFness.
>>286098002They're having to rush through the manga so no wonder if it feels so packed.
>>286097068Is this the face of yuri in the modern day? >>286097225I bet she topped.
Having a family is not a personality
>>286098224>Is this the face of yuri in the modern day?No, this is.
>>286097460Huh, that is a pretty big thing to cut. They might have moved it forwards, like they did with Asa and - the blaming her parents - Eel
>>286097628Its the perception of being seen as the type of lackadaisical foster mother to neglect her child's important moments that bothered her.
>>286097068Is this the type of face that a woman in her late 30s should be making? She needs hag correction.
good ost at the end
>>286098407I'm just bashing the translationFeels like a lot of word choices could have been made better and this is the kind of anime where it matters
>>286098494Hags have human rights too.
>>286097739Middle Left is probably the best.
>>286098261This is very anime-like.
>>286097739Staying home.
>>286097793I think they're intentionally making Asa look more feminine. >>286098016Minori already peaked the scale, so every other woman is just unfortunate by comparison.
Asa is literally her mother.
>>286098718Unfortunately she's not nearly as beautiful.
No marriage!
>>286098718Also Emiri countersniped Makio. Makio cold read her lesbianism, she's called out Makio being a sperg. The war is on.
>>286098002I would be more eager to agree if it wasn't fucking Winter season when we still have 3 more seasons to decide on AOTY.
>>286098826
>ara araHow can I live knowing that I'll never hear this?
>>286098947Emiri and Makio reading each other like open books.
>>286098976Does it stare back?
>coolest dude ever doesn't realize it so he has low self-esteem and deep oneitisComplete wish-fulfillment by the author.Almost based, it is so blatant.
>>286099101
>>286099167Is she really? There's no way that a mid 30s shut-in aspie writer with androgynous looks who is easily embarrassed and very sensitive and tries hard for others in spite of her mental limitations is popular with guys?
>>286098718I do like that she isn't totally sensitive to Makio's personality, even at this point. While they're close and care for one another, Asa isn't perfectly understanding of Makio and is fairly judgmental towards her. It gives her some flaws that make her more interesting than perfect.She has a perception of Makio that is a mix of respect and condescension towards someone that is 'weird'. Feels natural.
>>286098002I don't know if any anime that will come out for the rest of the year will come close to the quality of writing of this show, I think it's even a tier above any series from the past few years. Yeah, the animation is unspectacular, but the editing is really stellar and matches the feeling of reading the manga, which is about the highest complement you afford to an adaptation of already great material
>>286098269>>286098826>>286099093It is kinda cool/interesting that Makio makes a strong connection with a side character like Emiri in that way so quicky. That there's more natural compatibility between her and Emiri on account of being outsiders in some way than it seems like there is between her and her family, who are all otherwise very normal people.
She can screw me whenever she wants.
Pretty Pretty
Damn, Makio didn't fuck around. LoL.
wut
Man, I really love this show. I love how emotionally sincere it is, and it doesn't feel like it needs to compensate with lame jokes or quips. The last time I felt like this was Shy.
Makio is so beautiful like this.
>>286100418No Subs
>>286100092Makio told her early on, you don't have to be honest when writing a diary. Asa already feels pretty betrayed by her parents dying on her. This is just it coming to a head. A diary that may just be idealized rather than honest from a person she feels is now more stranger than mother.
>>286098824Dude is weird. I can understand not wanting to marry if you want to skip the child-rearing. But officially becoming a father while not writing your "in all but papers" wife into your family register? What's the goal of such behaviour?
>>286101096"I don't love you, but I will love our child". Probably something along those lines.
>>286101096You don't have to lose half your shit when divorce happens
>>286101321Good news, now he doesn't have to anyway.
>>286097280This shit got to me. Kasamachi is massively relatable.
>>286097068The whole scene with Makio invading Minori's internal monologue gave me insane tonal whiplash and seeing her talk about Asa with those glazed over eyes gave me the same feeling as her before even the black pit imagery. This has to be the emotional highlight of the show so far.
>>286097875Best scene is when Jessica Tandy purposely runs her car into a couple of young cunt's car. Older and has more insurance. It was a good movie.
Sex with hags
>>286098494I fucking love this bitch. I've had friends just like her and they're the best.
>>286101096potential escape route so you don't have to worry about commitment
>>286100261Keheheh best girl
>>286101823The worry for someone like Minori is that she could have ended up putting too much psychologically at stake in Asa being her 'heroine'. The one that could live the It might have been sweet on its face, but could have become toxic in its own way.
>>286102593>*live the life she never could.
>>286099995This girl should be a supermodel or something like that.
My least favorite ep so far, fealt all over the place, still great.
>>286099283Makio is the author's self-insertion; she's meant to be super weird and super amazing at the same time.
>>286102593I think it did considering Asa's mindset is just like her mother's and she just doesn't realize how bad things were yet. She might end up like Kasamachi during his depression.
I feel bad for Minori, but she had it coming. She started dating some spergy Makio-weird tier guy and was mostly fine with it. Now that she's dead, she left this pretty diary full of good wishes, or lies or whatever. Even with her faults coming out, the family registry thing, her realizing she wasn't perfect and that it's okay for everyone to be different, nobody can contest that. Even in death, she won.At any rate, I love reading about 'perfect' characters falling from grace. >>286101321Common law marriages don't really prevent that. You can still lose half your shit, or more, like in any civilized country of the world. It involves more lawyers and takes longer than a regular divorce though.
>>286102768>she's meant to be super weird and super amazing at the same timeAnd she is. All the characters in this are super weird and amazing.
>>286101096I kind of went around and around with this in my head myself, but I think the takeaway is that dad never actually loved mom. I think both of them had some kind of concept of what their ideal relationship was supposed to be and both of them realized the other person was not it. However, instead of just breaking it off with her, maybe because he was an introvert or just a total pussy, or maybe he liked the comfort of being with her, the "easy" life she gave him by being together, he stayed and then "oopsie" (Asa) happened. As a proud Japanese man folded 1000 times, he had to "take responsibility" but for him it was no longer being allowed to take an out route. His sense of shame locked him into being a father, but he couldn't lie to her or himself about "love". That's how I view it anyway.In short, dude was a cunt.
>>286099714It's because Emiri is very mature for her age.
>>286103266She isn't, though. She appears that way next to Asa, perhaps, but her entire meltdown over potentially losing Asa shows just how immature and childish she is. She's needy and desperate.
>>286099283When she presents well, I assume it's kinda easy to misunderstand her sophistication as attractive.
>>286098261Love how it turns out they both haunted each other
>>286103095>Even in death, she won.I do not think anyone won anything in this situation.
Intense episode, lot of information
Anon's corner you didn't ask for.I can quite well relate to Makio since I've recently had a relative die. I didn't hate them nearly as much, but I would be perfectly fine not having to interact with them ever. What impressed me was the wake, where their friends were making speeches about them and describing them as helpful, attentive, always being there for them. A complete opposite of how I've known them: fickle, abrasive, never caring for your time if they needed something from you. People really do seem to have different faces for different people.
She wants some WHAT?
>>286100261same bro, I love this show
>>286102759It did cover a lot of ground fast. I think we could have had all the Minori stuff in a single episode, and it would have been paced better.
>>286103232I don't think he's a cunt. Just a weak dude that had too much decency to run away but not enough personality to contribute despite his presence. Minori and him probably didn't talk much, given that she doesn't seem to say anything about him and Asa doesn't think about him much.
>>286104430They continued to have sex, so there was at least that between them.
This hag is very cute.
>>286104430They were the same in many ways. You could argue they deserved each other, but no one deserves to be miserable unless they harm others on purpose, and they would've passed on their dysfunctional relationship dynamic onto Asa even more if they hadn't died in time, so that wouldn't be fair to Asa either.That whole segment hurt to watch because I've met people like that, and they have kids who will probably grow up to be like that because it's all they've ever known.
Is Emiri gay for the weirdo?
>>286104605
Rough episode.
>>286104946She just found an adult role model.
>>286101823>that climaxHoly fucking shit
This episode packed a lot of info and emotions. Absolutely dense. Makes me wonder what other shows are doing with their runtime.
Y'all doubted me when I said Minori was the real victim of the show
>>286102768It may surprise you but real people are weird and with strengths too.>>286103359While it was an overreaction, "potentially losing a close friend" is a very upsetting thing at any age, so when you're a hormonal 15 with seemingly no other close friend who belatedly realize you fucked up at a sensitive time, no shit she was on beset with worry.
>>286097280Love it when this manga focuses on men. Absolutely nails it.
>>286100060
>>286097280I'll get a job any day nowI'm not even 30
>>286098269So how her gf looks in manga?
Fucking brutal. So she stayed with this guy because she was afraid of starting over when her friends were all tying the knot, and the diary for Asa was actually written to convince herself that hadn't made a terrible mistake?
>>286106066She reaped what she sowed.
>>286101823I don't cry easily, but DAMN.I wonder if any of this was semi-autobiographical. How do you even write something this raw and real if you haven't experienced it?
>>286106502Fucking faggot.
>>286106502That final scene where she was talking to asa felt like a prayer more than anything.
what the hell is Asa's problem?
>>286106639Not enough iron in her diet
>>286106430
>>286106698Not bad.
>>286106639She's a girl
>>286106639Well her parents diedHer parents were self-defeating peer-pressured beaten by nip FaceShe also just has no idea who they were and is starting to realize that's definitely because there were fuckups in the mixShe's a 15 yo learning self-importance, boundaries, and her helpers in this are Makio and Emily and the ghost of her momWhat else?
>>286106066She 仕方がない'd too hard for her own good.
>>286107098Conform or die. MAKE MORE NIPS
>>286106502I think it was more that she was terrified of being a single mother, over just keeping up with the Joneses. Asa was someone she regretted having, but couldn't bear to part with equally. She ended up vesting a lot of her personal dreams onto her daughter in a way that would have probably been unhealthy as Asa matured into a woman that didn't fit her dreams - because how could she?
Makio-chan is embarrassing!
>>286107251>Boy>GirlPlease submit your answer.
>>286097875Yes, many times, but I'll be honest: except in the broadest, vaguest sense of love, I don't see the movie as embodying what Makio said it does. It's certainly not a lesbian movie, that's for sure.
>>286106639Regarding Makio, Asa is just too neurotypical to get it that well.She sees Makio as a weird person rather than a normal person with some psychological twists. There is a distinction there. She doesn't really see the 'method' to Makio's way of thinking and instead just sees her as inexplicable in a lot of ways. Like there isn't much about herself that Asa isn't willing to talk about. But for Makio there's a lot that she'd never say out loud. Emiri gets Makio more.Regarding her mother, she's dealing with resentment that her parents would 'betray her' by dying, while also expecting things from her.And she's dealing with the insecurity of realizing she didn't truly know her mother as a person (no child could), and now she can't trust anything her mother said or wrote because it could have just been deception and platitudes without love behind it. The 'betrayal' mentioned above feeds into this insecurity. Where now every smile she can remember from her mother is now potentially just a mask over bitterness. How could her mother expect her to grow up to be an amazing woman if she died pathetically in a random car accident? How could a mother ever do that to her teenage daughter?
>>286097875>>286107456Is it what she gives emily in the manga?
>>286107499Yes. The anime version just has the title censored.
For some reason I'm reminded of Blast.
>>286107597Gru?
>>286107949Think more polish.
>>286099521She is truly her mother's daughter. Cares very much about being normal, is judgmental to others. Every episode that passes I hate her more, and respect Makio more for putting up with the whole situation.
>>286108131While Minori had a complex and fear about being abnormal or not keeping up, for Asa it feels more just mindless and casual. Like she isn't actively afraid of being abnormal, but she also doesn't really understand not being normal. It is unconscious exclusion of the weird rather than active insecurity.
>>286108131Why hate a kid still in that stage of life where all she knows is how to copy her role models? Asa can still grow up into a better person, and with her two worst influences no longer around, she probably will.
>>286107239This. It hurt to watch because it was basically describing my own mother.
>>286108562I don't think it is even conscious enough to be called copying. Its just the norm for her to act that way because that is what has been normal for her for 15 years.
>>286099283He's too old to be imagining other dudes being attracted to his (future) wife.
>>286107239>She ended up vesting a lot of her personal dreams onto her daughter in a way that would have probably been unhealthy as Asa matured into a woman that didn't fit her dreams - because how could she?That's what makes it so raw. It's depressingly common for parents to project their own unrealized dreams onto their children to the point where it becomes a burden their children feel but can't quite articulate, but Minori's journal practically spelled out that Asa was her personal project she was banking on to make her own disappointing life worthwhile. Now imagine being Asa, whose parents never taught her HOW to live up to that impossible standard because they never figured it out themselves.
>>286100060>My sister and I got into a slight disagreement and I threw a chair at her>Why does my sister hate me?She's even more autistic than I thought
>>286099283It's unlikely he's ever felt ANY competitive pressure for Makio, so his brain is conjuring territorial thoughts. They're basically mammalian.
>>286097280>when makio breaks out the 8 incher
>>286108562It's pretty shitty that she doesn't respect boundaries or the discomfort of others even when it's spelled out for her. Asa should be held accountable for at least that much.
>>286109857True, but Emiri is her best friend and someone that before this point probably didn't react that strongly to love talk.
This show is starting to feel like a 10/10. The characters feel like actual humans and it's one of the few shows that seems to capture what death is like for the people affected by it.
>>286106639she got rug pulled by life and now she's realizing that the rug she thought had been underneath her previously was never actually there in the first place
>>286109857You were a teenager once. Were your friends any better?>Asa should be held accountable for at least that much.In the sense that Emiri should spell out how uncomfortable Asa is making her and tell her to stop? Sure. But would you have known how to tell your best friend that in such a way that it wouldn't risk blowing up your friendship?
>>286109977I think the only reason why I wouldn't give it a full 10/10 is because I picked up the manga after starting the anime, and the anime has to go at such a breakneck speed in order to (presumably) fit everything into 13 episodes.
>>286110052As an anime-only I don't sense things being rushed, and I feel like I pick up on subtle things that people here think is skipped over. It's really good at visually expressing what characters are thinking even if things aren't directly stated.
>>286110015I'm saying she should be called out on it and accept it, not that it doesn't make sense.>But would you have known how to tell your best friend that in such a way that it wouldn't risk blowing up your friendship?Emiri literally did. Then Asa started comparing her to Makio and we cut to the next scene. The exchange was fucked up beyond being excusable on Asa's part.
Is Emiri gay for Asa?
>>286098947>>286110243>>286097068>>286097628Cute and canon!
>>286110156They were (the author/studio) making a point about the unselfconscious way nips/people peer pressure people according to their expectations without realizing it when they feel it's "normal". That Asa doesn't have the level of insight Makio has about "I can promise I won't trample you" is par for the course. That Emily struggles to find her voice to challenge this is just as unexepected. The entire end of the episode is dedicated to how the mom couldn't do it either, not to the dad, not to her friends.
>>286103095It's funny how both Makio and Minori chose men who shared some qualities with the other sister, isn't it?>>286103232I don't think his issue with marriage was about Minori. I think he wanted a lifestyle more suited to his schizoid tendencies, but he enjoyed having a woman take care of the domestic labor and felt responsible for the daughter he sired. And while it wasn't his ideal situation, as a man he could get away with not giving too much of himself to his family.
>>286110308I have no problems with it from a writing perspective. Asa is just a bitch as things stand right now and I hope she gets a rude awakening before too long.
>>286110397Yeah I dunno what I was even trying to say, I'mma peace out now
>>286110156>The exchange was fucked up beyond being excusable on Asa's part.No teenager with Asa's emotionally stunted upbringing would be able to figure out from Emiri's guarded behavior that she's in love with Asa.We viewers can see how calling the people closest to you "weird" can traumatize them because this episode is edited to highlight how that messed up all the adults' lives in retrospect, but Asa doesn't have that context. For all she knows, her "friend" was just telling her to stop prodding her about boys (a "normal" conversational topic for girls their age) because it's socially expected to put up a barrier around intimate topics. Pushing through that barrier is how you grow closer as friends, so that wouldn't look unreasonable from Asa's perspective.
>>286110243She'd be gay over Makio first.
>>286110878Get in line
>>286103973My situation is a bit different, but I still get what you're saying - when I heard stories about the deceased, they were completely different from my image of him, even though I thought I knew him very well.
Blondie is a DYKE?
>>286110771>No teenager with Asa's emotionally stunted upbringing would be able to figure out from Emiri's guarded behavior that she's in love with Asa.She doesn't have to. She just has to hear Emiri telling her to drop it with a pained expression and let it go. >Pushing through that barrier is how you grow closer as friendsThat's debatable at best and pushing by equating her to the neurodivergent guardian she's been making light of is the worst way possible; it's a massive insult. Emiri would have every right to be livid at that point.
This anime is absolute rumination fuel lel
>>286110771>figure out from Emiri's guarded behavior that she's in love with AsaWell, she isn't.
>>286107471how is that her mother's fault for dying in an accident?
>>286108467you could say she's the typical normalfag
>>286110995>She just has to hear Emiri telling her to drop it with a pained expression and let it go.We know that as adults. Would you have known that when you were 15? Because most kids that age don't.>pushing by equating her to the neurodivergent guardian she's been making light of is the worst way possible; it's a massive insult.I don't know what to make of this sentence and I'm neurodivergent enough sympathize deeply with Makio and Emiri. Based on what we know about Asa's upbringing, what could she have realistically done to make feel Emiri less uncomfortable?
>>286108131based asa
Is this the first episode that ended on a down note? Feels like every episode before had a more or less positive conclusion.Anyway, I get why some anons are getting angry at Asa, but I think it's a natural progression of her character. With how neutral and dismissive her responses mostly were to the tragic events and conflicts that happened in such a short time, it feels like she is accumulating a lot of negative thoughts and emotions that need a release. She only had one or two emotional outbursts (which were for some minor things compared to the main drama) and she kinda was at her warmest after those, so I guess what she needs is a one big hysterics.
all character should be gender swapped
>>286111235>Would you have known that when you were 15? Because most kids that age don't.I think most 15 year olds would be able to take a hint after being told multiple times, even if they want to keep going at first. Is that not a basic skill required for socialization at any age?>what could she have realistically done to make feel Emiri less uncomfortable?Change the subject. It's not that complex.
>>286111163Blame isn't rational.>>286111198Almost the Alpha Normalfag. So normal that she's able to be naturally typical when almost the entire rest of the cast has to work day and night to get to that point.
>>286111078The characters feel so real that you're always comparing them to people that you know.
>>286111323>>286111366her eyebrows are extremely attractive
>>286111361Kasamachi and Asa would probably be the most awkward swaps.
>>286111399>I think most 15 year olds would be able to take a hint after being told multiple times, even if they want to keep going at first. Is that not a basic skill required for socialization at any age?Speaking from experience, most 15 year olds don't have enough emotional intelligence to realize "uncomfortable expression" means "stop talking and ask if I'm OK". The best ones stop at "stop talking".>Change the subject. It's not that complex.Changing the subject without making the other person feel rejected is a social skill subtle enough that even most neurotypical people struggle with it at least a little bit. Now imagine being raised by "high"-functioning retards who never had to confront the fact that their clearly fake performance might make other people uncomfortable.
>>286111600Asa would be the most insufferable character if she was a guy. She's bearable because she's a cute girl.
I'm about to start the mangaWhat am I in for, bros?
>>286111834Hot makio promo illustrations.
>>286111726>most 15 year olds don't have enough emotional intelligence to realize "uncomfortable expression" means "stop talking and ask if I'm OK".It's a different story if she's literally saying she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. I'm not expecting Asa to read her body language or something.>Changing the subject without making the other person feel rejectedThat would only be a problem if Emiri was trying to open up. She's trying to close off the subject.
Gosling update?
>>286111834Suffering
>>286111820I just think her character and storyline is very feminine, and you don't really see boys confront the problems she does in the same way. Makio could be a man fairly easily, but Asa is a pretty girly character. Same with Kasamachi. You really couldn't write a woman that fit his role as easily.
why are some of you guys taking this show so personally?
>>286111834I'm waiting for the anime to end before starting. It's easily my favorite of the season and don't wanna be spoiled. Also might be good to compare them with the anime complete for a better picture.
>>286111894Literally me brehs
>>286112310Because me and my mom are basically Makio and her sister but way worse
>>286112412maybe if you listened to your mom you wouldn't have ended up here
>>286112458I ended up here because I listened to her too much
>>286112310It's genuinely that good and relatable.
>>286112310It's clearly a manga by a boomer for boomers, some of the moments in it hit a bit too close to home
this scene really caught me off-guard with how sympathetic it felt towards him.i find myself thinking similar things when it comes to things like romance and the likei agree with everyone else itt that this show is really good with how everyone's written, it feels really "real".
also, the i really liked background music for this scene
>>286112517You mean millennials.
I need a moment
>>286112314I'm just gonna follow the daily doomps and I'll slow down if the manga catches up. I assume the doomper is going to time it so the manga doesn't spoil the episodes of the show, unless it ends up going really out of order for thingsRead the first 3 chapters. I like it so far but don't have much to say outside of what I've already said about the anime. Seems to be a really faithful adaption. I like some of the creative ways the anime expands on the manga visually, like the scenes in the desert and such. I wish the anime had more asa singing though. The first episode really sold me with that opening scene and I feel like it's been missing ever since
>>286112310It keeps calling me, personally, out. I'm pretty sure Makio has said my name.
>>286112728Yeah, it was good to get something regarding him not living a perfect life and instead having his own long list of troubles. Being unable to cope with your career when you're already almost too old to do anything else has to be brutal.
>>286112517>May 9, 1981 (age 44)Damn, she's ancient.
>>286098269Did this count as grooming?
>>286097068Emiri's mom is so cute.
Man, this whole scene was so difficult to watch.
>>286113913Asa's such a patronizing little shit>inb4 excusesDon't care
>>286112310You find hundreds of nekketsu main characters living according to their ideals in the most childish of ways, and here you also have a 35yo who wants to live her life however the fuck she wants. I guess it's natural to take a show "personally" when it's well written and the characters are relatable, especially when there's no chosen one fighting for friendship, when it doesn't involve aliens shouting their super powers, slow teenagers acting like retards in front of the girls they like, government conspiracies, reincarnated retards acting like middle aged otakus, NTR or porn.
>>286113913I want her to submit to me
I read the summary of Fried Green Tomatoes and I don't see what this has to do with lesbianism.
>>286114080An anon called her the Eternal Normalfag. He was right.
So Makio is just a shit person and everyone loves her? Well ok.
>Asa's mom died feeling unloved, misunderstood, and full of regretsDamn bros
>>286114665No, try paying attention and/or watching at less than 5x speed
>>286114679>feelingBeing*
>>286107456>>286114472Idgie is gay you fucks.Do you think she did all of that for Ruth because she was a nice lady?
>>286111600The show is pretty good in regards to it feels like the author wrote characters first rather than gender stereotypes. i feel like it would be fine personally
The meanings names can have in the east is nice. A shame most of us have a name that is nothing more than a label. Overlapping conversations are a pain in the ass.The guy got it wrong, you're supposed to double down and work harder even it it makes no sense. That is the point of us, to work ourselves to death for shit that doesn't matter. If you give up you will truly have nothing.The girl really is lucky she seems to deal with all her grief in her sleep.Well that got heavy quick. Guess she'll have to actually deal with some grief in the waking world.
>>286114679Good
>>286114809Even mom thought she was actually the best.
>>286114665Makio has a strong sense of independence and identity and is at least pretty competent at her chosen profession without relying on others for it. She is at least reasonably kind to others and fairly intelligent. This let her maintain a few close friendships into adulthood with people that respect her.She is 'bad at being a person', in that she's mentally cluttered and is very shy and emotionally sensitive so she takes offense easily and stays hurt for a long time. This meant that she failed at romance or maintaining connections to her family members and most of her friends were made when she was young rather than as an adult. But she isn't actively cruel to others. And can at least muddle through professional relationships enough to get by.
>>286097068>bugeyesDisgusting.
>>286114833You greatly overestimate the depth of wikipedia.
>>286114472the popular reviews heading under FGT's letterboxd page p. much give the game away
This episode left me with a deep indescribable sense of melancholy. Everyone is being forced to confront their innermost insecurities and I can relate to almost every single one of them which compounds the sense of inadequacy and self-loathing. I am the one gazing into the abyss.
I wasn't expecting the show to straight up call Makio out like that
>>286115908girl to her friend, within earshot:>"Hey, you think your aunt might be severely fucking retarded?"i laughed but god i'd be pissed if i were makio
>>286097793Smug fucker.
Well, how is it, anon?
>>286097875no, should i?
>>286099714an honest, self knowing autist can have an unexpected effect on the bluepilled normie.It happened to me, i went back to college at 33 and a 20 y/o dude talked to me and came to me for advice and congratulated me on my meager successes and thanked me in a hearthfelt way. I don't even know what i said that was special.
>>286104243Her ovaries are screaming for attention. They know they're on their last legs.
>>286115764Me too, brother. This show really clicked with everything that tormented me in the last years, from lasting grief to social expectations. It's my favorite from the season, but it's a tough watch.
>>286114679We all die the same way.
>>286113913I can fix her (with my penis)
>>286113913It's easy if you just accept that yuri always wins.
>>286111272I think it makes senseShe's angry at the situation and has nowhere to place that part of the grief except for her parents, even though that's obviously not the right place for it. She just wants or needs to be angry right now as part of her journey to healing from the pain. Also makes sesne why she would think her mom could he lying in the journal. After all, she doesn't always tell the truth in her own. Ironically, some of the lines intended for asa would probably have helped makio more. Makio this episode was directly told she was similar in some ways to her sister, and in that journal her sister basically says as much, with the core difference being that minori cared too much about how she was percieved by her friends, thus resulting in her lying about the marriage. Her treatment of makio was likely due to envy of her more uncaring attitude. Obviously they weren't exactly the same, but they were probably more the same than they were different. It's a shame they couldn't come to an understanding before it was too late :(
Idk why this show feels like the kind of show that makes coldplay songs feel stronger
>>286098826>*autism to autism communication image*
Asa should grow her hair back.
>>286116554God I wish I was there.
>>286103095>>286110337You're telling me the good ending was sisteryuri?Intresting...
>>286103973Damn manHow's your cute boyniece?
>>286116578Pet the girl
>>286106502I don't think the word "terrible mistake" is good to use on such a complex situation. From Asa's perspective, the diary could all be fluff and lies, but she has this perspective specifically because makio injected her autism into her thoughts about journaling. If makio had told her, "you should write what's true in your journal, even if it's painful" which is also an opinion people can have about journaling, asa may have taken it at face value. And I don't mean that in a bad way, because it's possible, probable, even, that minori DID tell the truth and did write exactly what she felt. She seemed reflective enough, especially in her later years, to understand where her life went wrong and why, why she got estranged from her sister, and she understood enough to want better for her child.
>>286116554This is just like my yuri mangas.
>>286116764>later yearsTo be fair, there could be over 10 years between the start of that journal and when she died.
>>286112310Because it's good and the characters and their relationships are intresting enough to warrent this level of discussion
>>286116774for a sec i thought it was a miss himawari thumbnail
>>286113913>plot twist, asa is prodding because she wants to BE emily's boyfriend
>>286116554Do lesbians actually fantasize about handsome female baristas in a cabin in the woods?
>>286114882Anon western names also have meaningsYou just dont care because it's normal to you and isnt le exoticMore names have meanings than don'tI say this as someone who has a unique name that doesn't have a meaning. I love my name despite that btw
>>286116943There are two kinds of lesbians 1) the ones who are like, it makes perfect sense for me to be into beautiful fictional men, they're not real men, I'm basically a furry for the creatures in yaoi and 2) the ones who are like, that is NOT true, that is NOT who we are
>>286116963Western names do generally, but in English the language has evolved rapidly at times to the point that most names don't really have an intelligible meaning to most people. Like some, mostly vocational last names, do. But John, Richard, Terry, Douglas, Zoey, Jennifer, Helen, Veronica, etc., all might as well be meaningless other than the sound. No normal people could figure out the etymology of those names from scratch.
>>286117039>from scratch.we're on the internet. there's countless name etymology webbed sites just a search engine away. not knowing what your names mean is a choice
>>286116917Imagining Asa dominating Emily now using her bitchy mother voice. >wow, is this all it takes to make you cum?!>you really suck at giving head, can't you do anything right?!
>>286116811I understood it as her writing the journal slowly over the course of 20 years. I think it's unfinished. But my point is that I don't think we should just blindly trust Asa's perspective. Every interaction we've seen between them in flashbacks looked and felt like genuine love, atleast to me. Even if some of it was "tainted" by minori's controling nature and the expectations she put on her. I think the biggest thing points to this being genuine love is that her core desire for Asa is not for Asa to become something specific or fit into a mold or anything. It's that she's loved by everyone around her. From what we've seen, minori wasn't loved by her retarded husband, the love between her and her sister died, the love between her and her mother was strained (maybe, this is the one we know the least about), and she probably didn't feel loved by her friends, atleast not in the same way Makio felt loved by the eyebrowdyke. I doubt any of Minori's normalfaggot friends would write her a letter saying, "you are the only reason I'm able to breathe." So, basically, her "expectation" of Asa and her desire for her was to have what she felt she didn't, which was love. Idk man I just don't really see how this can be construed as toxic or bad. It's more tragic than anything
>>286117120H-hot
>>286117039What if we went the Frieren route? People walking around with names like "Cold", "Far", "Strong", "Evil", etc.
>time can never mend the careless whispers of a good friendSomething I haven't seen many anons talk about in the thread yet is how it seems like both of the sisters ended up lashing out at one another and saying things they couldn't take back. Perhaps the failing relationship isn't just on Minori. They could've probably both been better to eachother:(
>>286117227>his name is fucking seven
>>286117150I agree that it was written over a long period of time. I'm just disagreeing with it all being the product of Minori's nostalgic old woman wonderings. She could have started that diary when she was in her 20s. Yeah, Asa's perception and insecurity over everything that her mother wrote isn't meant to be proof that it was all BS. She's angry and wants someone and something to be angry about. Refusing to accept that her mother loved her deeply is a way to justify her resentment to her mother at the moment. Her mother did truly love her. Even if her mother also resented giving up her life to Asa in another way. It was a mix. There was latent toxicity in the sense that Minori stocked a lot of her self-worth onto Asa as the embodiment of all the dreams she never chased. It isn't active toxicity, but it could have become stressful if Minori went from just hoping that Asa was liked and happy to hoping that Asa was 'something impressive'.
>>286116054Why are women like this?>>286117231Makio was harsh but entirely on point. She did nothing wrong. Minori would've had to be the one to try mending the bridge.
>>286117275NaruhudoI understand you better nowYour first few posts felt like you had a very cynical view of the situation and I just disagreed with that. But I see the N U A N C E youre pointing out now and it aligns more closely with what I believe to be the case. I am realizing also, now, that my first few posts were looking at the diary in a very positive and optimistic light, which is not entirely how I felt about it. I, perhaps subconsciously, made my posts to emphasize that aspect to counter your posts, which I interpreted negativelyIt seems we've found a middle ground that were we're actually already standing on together. Perhaps this is what coming to an understand about one another and our beliefs looks like. If only Makio and Minori had been able to reach the level of civil dialog we had on this 4chan /a/ thread. Perhaps their relationship could have been rebuilt
>>286116963My name does not have much meaning. The last name is just what some ancestor was doing when the english decided everyone needed a name that describes their profession smith, not my name but I know a lot of them, being a very common example of that. My first name is generic as you can get. as are most biblical names. The le exotic might be there sure but theire names have an actual other meaning thanks to the pictographic nature of their writing system.
>>286117438You calling Biblical names generic is part of your problem. Biblical names have history, culture, and meaning. But you don't care about that because you're (presumably) not religious. That's fine, I don't care if you are or not, but a "generic name" like "John," which is as generic as you can possibly get, has a lot of weight to it for religious people because of the major characters in the Bible who had important roles - John the baptist, John the evangelist, etc. My cousins named their kid "Lucas" because of a saint that did some cool thing I don't even know about. They're not even orthodox, but they chose the name because of that. You don't put value on the names because you don't put value on where the names come from. Meanwhile, there is probably some thousand folded girl in the land of the rising sun who thinks her name, "Natsumi" is boring even though it means summer or some shit
>>286113913Master detective Asa-kun is good at picking up subtle clues.
>>286117528>Biblical names have history, culture, and meaning. But you don't care about that because you're (presumably) not religious.My parents aren't religious so there's zero meaning behind my name beyond the fact that they liked it.
>>286117528I guess my main point is, our names with "meaning" is some guy did something great so we are naming him after that person. Their names, like you stated can mean more that just being named after someone but could also involve things like the summer or whatever.
Does Emiri's mother an hero after her daughter outs herself as a fag?
>>286117246Nana...
>>286099167>handsome>buff and broad>sensitive>still in love with mc and willing to deal with her autismThere's definitely some wish fulfillment here.
>>286117798Nana sucks, Nana is so much better.
>>286117854Nana > Nana
>>286117415They should have just kissed.
>>286117606>>286117614Both of these statements could also be true thoA japanese person might have just picked a name because they like it. Does that mean the name "natsumi" suddenly doesn't have meaning?Also there are real, actually people, in real life named thing's like, "summer" and such.Haley is named after hayMugi is named after barleyThese are the same thingI'm only saying this stuff because at one point I expressed the exact same opinions as you did over the glorious land of the rising sun naming conventions, only to be told virtually the exact same thing that I'm saying now by a different anon. Upon reflection, I realized he was right and that most names in most languages and cultures are like this
>>286117854Just reread my efforpost essay on Nana and NanaIt's a little sloppy and long, but I could post it if anyone wants to read it. Maybe I should go through and clean it up though. I havent seen the show in a couple years and idk if that's a good idea to rewrite anything
>>286115091literally me
>>286118114Post a screencap.Could be fun. Its genuinely been like a decade since I read Nana, myself.
>>286117684I don't even remember if she told them in the manga.
>>286118742I'll drop it in a paste.io. it's 8500 characters long lolhttps://pastes.io/anons-thouThe first half or so is my thoughts shortly after finishing the anime, the second half, but I don't know exactly where the line is, is a different set of posts from after I had some time to P O N D E R the show. So it's slightly more well written and consise compared to the first half, which is more rambly. I have not taken the time to clean any of it up, so as to preserve the feel of an off the cuff post and a slightly less off the cuff but still normal postRead at your own leisure and I would be willing to discuss Nana in this Ikoku Nikki thread, provided it does not overtake discussion of the actual current anime. I think they're both somewhat related, being about characters who have complex personalities and such at the very least. I don't think about nana today as often as I thought I would after finishing the show, but I did connect with it when I watched it and still think it's quite good, even through its problems
>>286099714I like that Makio was able to see that about her. Autists aren't totally oblivious towards other humans. They just see and process some things differently, so sometimes they can notice things normal people don't.
>>286104672>and they would've passed on their dysfunctional relationship dynamic onto AsaAsa is almost grown up and she seems generally fine
>>286099283>>286102768Literally the very next line is Daigo telling him, "No, she isn't popular with guys. You're just weird."
>>286097068>>286098494Even after girls grow up into women, they're still the same person on the inside.
I'll watch this for Sawashiro. How much is the anime covering?
>>286108131Asa is a good girl, and you must have a lot of pent up resentment to be hating a fifteen year old this much.
I'm surprised that we got scenes from Minori's POV. I appreciate it but at the same time It's frustrating that we now know stuff about her that Asa and Makio never will.
This is the exactly the kind of show I've been looking for a while now, while only finding glimpses here and there. Where do I find more?
>>286119478I'm guessing all of it.
>>286117120Asa would definitely be the sub, but she does need correction, so there will have to be some brat taming.
>>286099946>Asa wearing sandalsNice. Needs to happen way more often.
>>286100261SHY is a very different show but it is very sincere.
>>286106066She was someone who revolved her entire life around being a normalfag and realized she's a failed normalfag. It's tragic but I don't consider her a victim.
>>286106535Somehow this hit me way harder in the anime than in the manga
>>286119575Oh it's short and sweet?Damn that's better than I would have hoped for. Thanks.
>>286116578Yes, and have braids again
>>286112310Very few shows are this emotionally resonant to such a deep level. The issues it explores and way it's written is just so damn human and real.
>>286119674It's not that long, but the anime is having to cut and alter things to get things to fit.
>>286115764That's a sign of how good the writing is. This is what stories and characters are supposed to do. Not the self-insert bullshit that's so prevalent (even though Makio could be the author's self-insert).
>>286119536Don't worry, we'll get even more.
>>286119523Well, yeah, I'm a much less functioning version of Makio. Bitterness and difficulty relating to most normalfags comes with the package.
>>286119548Closest to this off the top of my head would be Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju, but I think if you ask ten different anons you can get ten different answers. One mans right-in-the-feels existential drama can be anothers cheap melodrama.
Man, these characters need Jesus
>>286119096You started off strong for getting that the Nanas can't just lezz out together to solve their woes. Tons of morons or fetishists don't realize how fundamentally incompatible they are as women and lovers for that to ever work. So you get points for basic reading comprehension just from the start. Good work.
>>286120682Thanks, that's a good one, though it did get a little too soapy for me towards the end. For me, it's just about good character work so I end up watching a lot of seemingly very different stuff. Some of my favourites are Berserk '97, Mushi Shi, Moribito, Black Lagoon and Planetes. While all these mostly have good character work, I don't think I've ever ran into an anime that is this well written and also doesn't shoehorn a bunch of tropes or fanservice in there that make me roll my eyes every now and then. That's why Ikoku Nikki really stands out to me.
>>286117227That is just Old English.
>>286119548Yamashita, the author this series probably has some decent influence from the Year 24 Group (an early collection of shojo writers that were very important to the genre's history). Hagio Moto is my favorite of the bunch. Very good stuff from that woman.Taniguchi Jiro is a male writer with some really high level talent at writing tasteful character drama. From smaller stories just about local dramas to very Hollywood type ones. You might also enjoy the short manga series, Munou no Hito, by Yoshiharu Tsuge. Dealing with a very Minori-type male protagonist coping with a boring and disappointing life but not through pure bitter resentment.
>>286116346This got me sad at first but i'm feeling slighty hopeful now
I'm late to the party because my internet is bad but I just want to chime in that the ending sequence got me goodThis show just keeps fucking delivering
>>286121681Thanks, anon!>Year 24 Group, Hagio MotoHer stuff seems cool, I should read up on the group more.>Taniguchi JiroI had heard about The Summit of the Gods because it somehow got translated to even my native tongue (this was before Netflix). I ignored it because it seemed like Oscar bait (or whatever the manga equivalent would be), but now I see he has a lot of shorter, less Hollywood-y stuff as well so I will give some of that a shot.>Munou no Hito, by Yoshiharu TsugeUsually I avoid self-insert anything, but this seems a bit more sincere and short enough to not really warrant such caution.
>>286116676I had to adopt that person's cat. Because nobody else would. It's not a terrible cat, it doesn't chew wire or anything, but as Makio does, I also have to keep something I didn't wish for around me all the time and interact with it even when I don't want to. It's stressful.
>>286119548Listing a bunch in no particular order that may or may not be what you're looking for but I consider to be in the same general bucket of mostly grounded, heavily character-driven shows>Space Brothers>Sora Yori mo Tooi Basho>Girls Band Cry>Hibike Euphonium>Hyouka>Kono Oto Tomare>Deaimon>Kaze ga Tsuyoku Fuiteiru>Fune wo Amu>Kinoko Inu>Tamayura>Doukyonin wa Hiza, Tokidoki, Atama no Ue>Fruits Basket>Youkai Apartment no Yuuga na Nichijou>Overtake>Gimai SeikatsuI could go onIkoku Nikki and Rakugo Shinjuu probably have the most sustained emotional intensity but all of these have their moments
>>286122711Thanks, anon. Haven't seen most of these, so time to download a bunch of E01s, I guess.
>>286122711>Gimai SeikatsuIs that actually good? I've heard it being recommended by another anon too before. But, the title alone is already quite a turn off.
>>286123078not that anonI watched it and yes its good, kinda similar to Ikoku Nikki actually, the title and summary sounds cringe but the story itself is well written and has some decently realistic human interactions, the animation is mediocre though
>>286119548You might like Kemonozume and House of Five Leaves. Both quite different from this, but good character writing.
>>286123078I watched it and hated it. It's extremely slow.
>>286118792She doesn't, only to Asa.
>>286097875I actually watched it last week after seeing it in the show, it was pretty good. Thanks for the rec Makio
>>286119548I'll give you a rare recommendation: IDOLiSH7Extremely overlooked show for obvious reasons. There's some dumb over the top fun in the story, but it's worth mentioning if you're looking for good character writing. The type of show that makes more sense as time goes on, you can find a meaning for most dialogues and there's actual payoff and development for every major character. Makes me sad that I've never saw it mentioned on lists like the one few posts above, even if it's a good list.I've seen it compared to Nana which was talked about in this thread so I'm hoping this post is not too weird.
>>286123157Thanks, looks interesting. The more I watch and read, the more convinced I become that good characters more than anything else make for good stories.
>>286124189Mammals are hardwired to both look for the signals others of their species broadcast, both for threat and affection, and to look for companionship and support. Parents and close friends are a huge deal by default. Mirror neurons don't ask, they just do.
>>286124114Thanks, by all means. Finding good anime has always been very difficult to me compared to other mediums because a lot of the fandom has seemingly random criteria for what makes a show good. If, for example, a film has an 8 on IMDb, I know what to expect, but if it has 8 on MAL I have absolutely no idea. Because of this, I've often ended up liking shows I would not consider based on their premise.
This is the "woman" that you're all in love with?I-I see....
>>286124321Yeah. I find that in the anime sphere there's quite a lot of shows that will try to get that emotional reaction without earning it, just by putting some moe in front of the viewer. A well-written character has consistency to their behaviour, they are like a list of algorithms that you can figure out by obsering them a little while, just like how you do when you spend time with real people. Because their behaviour is mostly predictable, when a big moment in their arc comes, it feels earned because you know implicitly what it means for them.
>>286124533>Kasamachi-kun gets pegged by thisSo lucky.
>>286097068why does she have bug eyes
>>286124533So fucking cool.
>>286124598She's thinking of death.
>>286097068>>286124222I'm not OP, but there is a guy doing a storytime of this series. The anime adaptation is pretty quick compared to the manga, so you won't read ahead too fast. Instead you'll just catch the stuff the anime cut or rearranged on the way. Worth checking out if you want more right now. The more the merrier.
>>286124611You were saying?
>>286123020>>286122711I will second Girl's Band Cry and Sora Yori mo Tooi Basho. Both are very good, but have different tones and structures. They both have very cathartic and well done emotional peaks. I'd also add MyGO and Ave Mujica to this list, though I think theyre both a bit weaker overall compared to them and are a tad more melodramatic, but they still work
>>286125127>a tad more melodramaticA tad?
>>286124573You will (probably) particularly like Sora Yori mo Tooi Basho based off this post alone. It did the best job EARNING the emotional response out of many that I've seen. Id also recommend non non biyori's first four episodes. It's very different from what you're asking for, as it's not a drama at all, but you'll see why I rec'd it if you finish the fourth episode. (The entire show is fantastic btw)
>>286124533s-she's cute, okay?
>>286125151This is a living creature
>>286124189I would say it depends. You can't really evaluate every story through the same lens.>>286124387>If, for example, a film has an 8 on IMDb, I know what to expect, but if it has 8 on MAL I have absolutely no idea.I think that happens very often in /tv/ too.I personally don't tend to take ratings very seriously. I still check them, but only as a fun way to see how much other people agreed or disagreed with me.
>>286125243Looks like some kind of doggy.
>>286098494>>286098827>>286099014Daigo is so cute! She didn't leave much of an impression to me before but now I want her in more scenes!
>>286119096Good effortpost. Personally, I'll never get over Hachi being a massive idiot the whole time regarding Shin or the cliffhanger the manga has been stuck at for nearly 2 decades. My impression of Nana as a whole soured the further I got in.
>>286097068Slightly autistic hag HATES having normal relationship with a rich chad who loves her but is totally ok with using him as a dildo.females will defend this
>>286124114>spoilerNTA but what a coincidence that I just watched S1 last week. It was on my PTW for the longest time as the synopsis for it made it sound like it was just gonna be an okay-ish show, following the same plotline formulas in its genre. It turned out to have some of the best story and character relationship depth I've seen within its genre. I was originally gonna stop after the first season but I'm thinking of watching the rest of the series later on.Funnily enough there's two other shows I can think of where the synopsis didn't sound that interesting but ended up being so much better than I expected that anons here might wanna check out too: Flip Flappers and Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight
>>286126068bro its not rocket science, it's difficult for a sperg to tolerate someone else in their life 24/7, autists need their own space
>>286126148somehow accepting the daughter of her bitch sister was totally okay but having a bf in the same house is not? And at the same time having sex with him doesnt tire her out?since its an even closer distance.
>>286125127>>286125218Noted, thanks.>>286125291I don't think I can come up with any piece of media that has good storytelling without having well-written characters and a good story presented poorly isn't worth much. I have watched films by Lynch and Tarkovsky which I think have great artistic value, but they are bad at storytelling (because they don't care for it in the conventional sense). They are fun to discuss afterwards, but not to watch. Most anime isn't trying to be subversive like that, though, but simply sucks. There are ways to make a good piece of media either way, I just wouldn't necessarily call these good stories.As for the ratings, it's not so much about taking them seriously as it is about usng them as a tool to gauge what I might be in for. I disagree with the hivemind on a lot of points, but I kind of have a feel for what those points are so I can make an educated guess on whether I will like something or not based on it. With anime, I just don't get that. I mean, look at top 10 on IMDb vs MAL. Now try to guess no. 11-20. Which site did you guess better?
>>286126218>somehow accepting the daughter of her bitch sister was totally okay but having a bf in the same house is not?He's a grown man, he'll survive. Asa is a kid.>having sex with him doesnt tire her out?It probably does, but good sex is a strong motivator.
>>286126261I wouldn't recommend girls band cry and the bandori stuff at all, they're just shitty girlband melodramas for yurifags
>>286122711>Overtakeunderrated
>>286124576Makio is always the bottom. She's a female sub who's incapable of being the top.
>>286106535the same diary lines being read with a tone of desperation and panicked sadness this time around was an EXCELLENT contrast. the same exact words, but with the correct context instead of a false assumed one.
>>286126671Kasamachi is way too much of a simp to be a dom. Makio has that mean side to her, she has the potential.
>>286126671>Kasamachi: ah, sorry, I put it in the wrong hole>Makio: I don't deserve to tell you which is the right one
>>286126710anon this is written by a woman, she's a bottom, end of story
>>286126710Kasamachi is the kind of simp who doms because that's what the woman wants. Textbook service top. Makio is a mess in her life and relationships. She needs someone to take the initiative and take care of her during sex. All having a bit of mean side means is that she can be kind of feisty while she bottoms.
>>286126827>he doesn't knowThis chick likes it both ways.
>>286126847Makio is the type of person that craves control, but not in the way that means she has a desire to be 'liberated' from it in fantasy. More just that she's extremely uncomfortable if her independence and control is infringed on, without there being any gratification for it. She really isn't the type to give that over to another person, even in sex. She didn't do it in love in general before - hence why they broke up and why its so hard for her to come to care for Asa like an extension of herself.
>>286126827the author previously only wrote BL gay shit because that's what she likes, then she started reading more western books and became more feminist and social justicy and decided to include more female characters in her story and then writing about women themselvesshe said this herself during interviews
>>286126917i want to date the author now
>>286126538That's kind of what I assumed, but it's trivial to see for myself. I'm used to sampling like ten E01s to find one watchable anime at this point. Usually it's obvious 5 mins in so no biggie.
>>286127080Most Shojo writers back in the late 90s, early 00s had to write BL if they wanted to tell serious stories.Shojo editors were dicks back then and only wanted anodyne romcoms to schoolgirls. BL was allowed to be serious in a way that het shojo wasn't.
>>286127165very funny sissy
>>286126068She's literally me as a male, so I'll give her a pass as well. You just don't get well done schizoid/avoidant characters very often.
>>286127373she is definitely not schizoid, maybe slightly autisticand I am tired of this "literally me" stuff and everyone slapping mental illneses on themsleves out of boredom
I stopped relating to Makio when the anons pointed out she's ADHD-coded instead of autism-coded. Now I'm just jealous of her, her introspection, and her ability to not completely fuck up every social interaction and leave people never wanting to interact again.
>>286126128Please continue, it gets even better. I remember when I was watching the first season and every episode went by so fast while I was just curious to see what was happening later on. I did that just before the second season started airing and then it was delayed because of covid so I ended up reading all the game's story. Now it feels weird to think it's one of my favorite shows while it's barely talked about outside Japan.Also very good mentions, Revue's movie is specially great.>>286124387>>286126261>MALYeah, most times the score there just means popularity. Maybe you're confused because anime fans care less about the "artistic value" thing and tend to be more honest in comparison to movie watchers. If an anime fan had a similar opinion as you about an anime movie (not a good watch but valuable piece of media) they would probably give it a 6 at most and say it's "cool but kinda boring". I really, really enjoy anime so I prefer that dumb honesty than having to figure out if someone's pretending they like something. It makes more sense to ponder scores individually and accept the answer could be "8 because funny". I think for any type of media it's always better to just read/listen to what people have to say about it personally than looking at numbers, my reason to give a show an 8 might be your reason to give it a 4.
>>286122711Hmm I shall move the ones here up my watch list. Surprised Nana isn't here but I only got 8 episodes into that before getting too busy to continue.Also funny seeing kinokoinu in there. That was a nice watch and the women were hot.
>>286127488That is just neurodivergent men vs neurodivergent women. Women are trained to be more sensitive and emotionally intelligent in a way that men aren't. And that bleeds over into aspie women being taught about emotional sensitivity more than autist men are.
>>286127814Damn...
>>286127654Another NTA:This thread has convinced me to have a look at what I easily dismissed as another idolshit (male). This topic is almost a jumpscare because I keep seeing authors I follow post works on ao3.. Like could it be that compelling.
>>286124533I'm not in love with her since she's literally me and I have self-worth issues
>>286127814>>286127829that's also why autism is "rarer" in women, it's just harder to detect because of that
>>286127814yeah, I think it has to do with expectations, women are held to higher standards when it comes to socialising than men, it's easier to get a pass for having an unusual hobby or being a bit eccentric as a guy
>>286121406Thank youI like to think I have basic media literacy
>>286127465One, you're in a place where people saying "literally me" to mentally ill characters is actually mostly not an exaggeration or a meme. If you want to complain about normalfags giving themselves various diagnoses for cool factor or status signaling then go back to fucking Reddit and do it there.Two, schizoid doesn't necessarily mean you have literally no interest in other people, but she has some of the tell tales, like much difficulty with interpersonal relationships since even early life, rich inner world and imagination and autistic obsession with it to the exclusion of basically everything else. Of course she's actually relatively functioning and successful, because she lucked out being adopted by good extrovert friends early on, and is also high functioning enough to channel her obsession into a career she can make a living off.
>>286125967I have also heard that past the ending of the show, hachico flipflops again between takumi and nobu, which sounds to me like a regression of her character growth, but it's probably to be expected considering she is still a le woman. I do agree that both of them were consistently having women moments in the show though, and that the majority of the drama was caused by characters being retarded. But, in it's defense, when the entire story is about character relationships, it wouldn't be very interesting if they were all perfect and logical 100% of the time. It would be quite boring. My favorite moment of the show remains when Nana had her "big break" after the whole tabloid scandle and she used the opportunity to call out to Hachi who was watching on TV>hachico, I'll make your dream come trueFemlove kino
>>286128372it is an exageration and a meme ,what are you talking about? what does reddit has to do with it??? they are the ones using "literally me" all the timeSchizoid is exactly that and/or other symptoms, the thing is severity plays a critical role in actual diagnosis, just because someone dislikes being around other people(pretty much everyone) and is aloof doesnt mean shit, but people still will claim this or that mental illness.There is a serious self-diagnosis crisis.
>>286126068She loves him and respects him thoughThis is importantBut is fundamentally incapable of any kind of relationship where there isn't a significant amount of distance because she is THAT autismo. She hates that she hurt him and feels guilty over their break up and how shr treated him. She feels she doesn't desrve him and says as much directly to him. It isn't a case of her "being okay with using him as a dildo"She cares about him enough to think he deserves better than her
>>286127488>can sit for 16 hours straight writing her femcel fanfics>adhdbruh
>>286127654Yeah, it does indeed just mean popularity. Thing is, that ends up being way more subjective of a criteria than supposed artistic value. One thing is popular because the character designs are cute, another because it has good fight scenes etc. It might in a way be more honest, but it's just not helpful at all when you're browsing to find something to watch. Snobs are at least pretty consistent. Individual reviews are always the best, but reading them isn't really saving me any time, unless it's a movie. At some point it's just faster to watch the first episode than try to figure it out from the MAL page. This is how I ended up doing these anime sampling sprees. Chatting with anons while a bunch of E01s are downloading is quite chill.
>>286097068Michiko is so cute! I want to give her a big hug and pat her back so she feels better!
The Daigo and Kasamachi scene was so nice. They're so cute and I love seeing frens doing fren things!
>>286128533The greater crisis is just the mental health industry in general. If normalfags diagnose themselves as having ADHD because their favorite influencer has, its really only because of the greater mental health industry. Which is 99% pseudoscience and peddling of permanently brain-altering chemicals to create life-long customers.I actually mostly hesitate to use the word schizoid to describe myself or anyone else, because like most "disorders" there's a lot of bullshit attached to it, but sometimes it can be a useful shorthand.
>>286127488Learn to think for yourself instead of taking what some faggot video essayist or Redditor says as gospel.
>>286127044>Even leading up to their kiss, Kasamachi was the one taking all the physical initiative. Makio is too timid and uncomfortable connecting with others to take control of someone else.
>>286128821this is rape
>>286128821They're both handsy in the lead up to the kiss.
>>286128943Okay yeah I reread the scene and how it goes is that after Makio gets flustered and chickens out the first time, Kasamachi makes sure she's okay then gets physically intimate with her. After she reciprocates, he eases her into it until she's ready for the kiss.
>>286127814I was diagnosed with autism in my late teens but thankfully my parents(mainly my mom) noticed how retarded i was during my early years and intervened. I relate so heavily with Makio that it angers me. Seeing your own defects so clearly and well portrayed on the screen is quite the experience.
>>286126261What I meant is that not every story places the same amount of value on the characters as it does to some other elements in them.For example, Shin Sekai Yori. Other than Saki, and maybe Squealer, it doesn't have the best character work, but it's still a great story.Then you also have series with simple characters, but good character work. For example, Dungeon Meshi. The characters are nowhere near bad; they are interesting, but overall quite simple (this isn't a bad thing), and it's still a good story.And yeah, you're right about anime ratings being more "volatile", although I've always been of the mind that rating the non-technical aspects of a movie/series/animu/manga/etc "objectively" is extremely hard. Almost a waste of time if you ask me.
>>286122711I'll add to your list. Just for romance>Kare Kano>Kimi ni TodokeThis one isn't grounded but it's very character-driven and raw>Haibane RenmeiEverything else>Welcome to the NHK>Hanasaku Iroha>Usagi Drop>Barakamon>Gin no SajiOn your list Hyouka is my favorite but GBC surprised me the most. I was not expecting it to hit that hard. Nina's relationship with her father is so well-written.
>>286129624There's more than one way to have good character work, yes. My point was that good stories (unless they are trying to be subversve or experimental) are always character-driven. As for ratings, what I wrote to the other anon has pretty much all my thoughts on the subject so you can read that if you'd lke to expand: >>286128590
>>286130305But neither Shinsekai Yori nor Dungeon Meshi are character-driven, and they're both good stories.
>>286115091>Makio has a strong sense of independence and identityYou depend on others so much, even expressing an identity makes you panic, let alone defending one. You can't be comfortable unless everyone uses and manipulates you and expects to be used and manipulated, within very specific parameters. Anyone not like that is a wolf in your backyard.
>>286117227My name shall be Horny.
>>286117275Sanity check, replace the word love with it's contextual definition in your analysis and see if it still makes sense.
>>286131033Love is the basic term there. What are you even referring to?
>>286124321You don't know shit about biology or neurology or psychology. You're a teenager using neurodivergent as a synonym for retarded (low status).
>>286126218Sex flips a switch in your brain turning you into a different person.
>>286131249
>>286131249I haven't typed that word once, retard.
Currently catching up.Did everyone make Aura/Himmel/Frieren jokes about this?
>>286131625No, I don't recall anyone mentioning Frieren here.
>>286130906Can you elaborate on the context of your reply?
>>286130379Hm, good shows, perhaps, but good stories, I don't know. The former I remember liking for some of the worldbuilding stuff but couldn't recollect neither the plot nor the characters. The latter is very episodic, but has a solidly done overarching narrative. To do any serious character work, you need continuity, so the more episodic the show, the harder it is. At one point the question becomes whether something like Mushi-Shi even has a story or is it just a collection of vaguely connected stories put together. I guess it all boils down to how we define the term story, but I believe we both understand what the other means to say.
>>286131748I guess that line isn't as famous here as it is on 2chanmy crossboarding was my undoing...!
>>286129273Helo yots
this is easily the best anime of like the last decade, every episode has me on the verge of tears
>>286132101Wat
>>286132412The scene where Aura tells Frieren "Himmel isn't here anymore, you know" is a huge meme
>>286132445I seeI've never seen that line memed on here, personally. But I wasn't in the original FF threads when s1 was airing
>>286126538Seethe more, hettard
>>286133153Ruribrat needs correction
>>286128821>>286128900>>286128943Sorry but hags belong to ojisans
>>286133259>slopping makioHave some standards.
>>286133259A man much older than her is probably running into stamina problems.
>>2861338212nd from the right seems to be taking her permanent womanlet status pretty well
>>286133843none of them grew any more because that's perfectly normal, girls rarely ever grow past high school
>>286097225No by me
>>286133259Kasamachi is an ojisan but he's actually attractive unlike your slop.
>>286122711Adding>Sangatsu no Lion>Sangatsu no Lion>Sangatsu no Lion>Sangatsu no Lion
>>286135322you gay son?
>>286135485It's ending in one more volume. Wait a few more months (or years) and you could read it from start to finish.
>>286133843She is a creature born to give and receive hugs.
someone needs slap makio and make her understand that she's asa's mother now
>>286136919and lover
>>286137158retard
>>286126827Even in media made by/for women, he's the polar opposite of the cute submissive boys usually used for what can be considered the "peggable" (femdom) option.
>>286122711I would also add Ping Pong and UmaS2>>286126616It definitely was. One of my favorites of 2023.>>286127169I don't know if you're still in this thread, but I think you should give those three a chance. I'm not the biggest fan of GBC, despite really liking it, but I absolutely love MyGo and AveMujica, even if they are really melodramatic (the latter in particular being extremely so at times), and AveMujica is a bit "weird", but that's part of the charm to me. Those two are in my top 3 of the decade, and arguably my favorites when it comes to directing. They have excellent character work too.Lastly, if you give them a chance, watch the first 3 episodes of Mygo before you decide whether to continue or not, as they were released as a batch. If you don't like episode 3, chances are you aren't going to like the rest of the animu; so you can safely drop it.
>>286111894Not much. This is a cleaner kind of feel.
>>286098261this one got me
>>286098510then tell us the better word choices rather than smugly criticize the translation. also make the dialogue flow naturally in english while you're at it, and stop being an MTL faggot
>>286097739It depends, am I going to wear it? or is it for Asa (or for Emiri or for Makio)?
>>286124533wait, this feels houseki like
>>286140090For those about to rock.
Rocks fucking suck.
>>286124860pure gap moe
>>286133821the short one got fatcute
>>286137912I want to collect cool rocks with tomori and shouko
>>286140090a sizeable percentage of female mangaka fall into this general artstyle
>>286141241vile normalfags shouldn't be allowed such cute haircuts
>>286130018Kimi ni Todoke is infuriating though. The characters don't feel remotely real. Well, its almost worth watching for the tomboy-quiet guy couple alone I guess, but you'll want to scream at the screen for the 70% of time its dealing with the main characters.On that note there's also Busu ni Hanataba wo, which is almost a replica of Kimi ni Todoke, but I would say much better paced.
>>286130018Oh, I'll also add Tomo-chan Is a Girl. Bit more light than the likes of Ikoku Nikki, but better than the average romcom.
>>286140090Women love sharp people.
seeing r*ri no houseki on this thread is ruining my day. is ikoku nikki really big enough now to share an audience with that
All the recs so far plus a few more from the 'net. Also, Shy is in a another folder. For manga, check out what this >>286121681 anon wrote.>>286137912I've occasionally found gems in unlikely places, so I don't dismiss suggestions so easily. I'd rather people overrecommend than underrecommend, because most stuff I know I won't like very fast after starting to watch. What little ends up in the "maybe" pile gets an episode or two more just to be safe.
>>286143642>>286130018Damn, didn't see ya.
>>286143241they're both josei manga
>>286143715Are you drunk or just stupid?
>>286133259>mfw someone actually saved my crop
>>286127814>>286128245Male socialization and female socialization are different. What women expect from each other is different from what men expect from each other.
I can't take anyone hating on Asa seriously. Hating on her is like hating on a puppy.
>>286147592I hate puppies.
>>286147592She's a shitbull at best
>>286148527Shih Tzu*Kinda cute, but stupid, bad-tempered, and a lot of work
>>286148527>shitbull>>>/pol/
>>286147592She's a cocky shiba inu that needs to be trained properly so it doesn't start biting people. She has Minori's spirit inside her and the cruelty of youthful ignorance that could become disdain for others being abnormal.
>>286142191Cute is justice.
>>286149798Are suggesting that she needs brat correction?
I still like Asa even with her recent outbursts
>>286149798She won't bite people but everything else is correct. Asa is still a good girl and won't go that far. However, she will annoyingly bark at people.
>>286152037I like her more for them because it makes her more interesting as a character. She isn't a perfect little girl to imagine as your daughter but an imperfect young woman that does and says things that the reader/viewer (who is trained to understand and empathize with Makio especially) dislikes. She isn't perfectly understanding of other's differences from herself and has expectations of how others should behave that she pushes onto them. And is dismissive of those that are 'weird' rather than gentle with those that are different. It makes her a person rather than a pure doll to play imaginary dress up with.
>>286153184Yeah it makes her feel more real. After all she's been living with a slob for a while now.
>>286153855Makio being so awkward about playing an adult for Asa is probably part of this whole thing. Asa at this point seems to see Makio as less of a proper authority figure and more like a weird older person who can't do normal things and can't act normally. Maybe thats reading in too deeply, but my interpretation is that Asa doesn't really feel respect for Makio in the same way that she would have her mother or a more typical older relative. Instead there's a layer of condescension over everything where she sees Makio as 'limited' rather than totally competent.
Sell this anime to me.
>>286154927no, fuck off
>>286154927That'll be tree fiddy. Take it or leave it.
>>286154927You can watch it for free
>>286113913Emiri exists to be violently and gratuitously raped, used up, defiled, sacrificed
Reminder that Makio is a queen and Asa is a puppy. Those are their officially stated roles.
>>286156931What is she the queen of?
>>286157671my cock
>>286158117Her royal majesty should have a more impressive scepter, methinks.
>>286157671Her entire domain, which is just her home
>>286154045She's learning that adults are people slightly early because of tragedy in her life and the presence of extreme examples is all. About as bad as watching porn at that age, meaning not very but don't tell people or they'll over react.
>>286156931Puppies are meant to stay in the queen's lap. Lap dogs.
>>286160411The issue is that she's at a sensitive age for it. 15 is rough to feel that you can't rely on the adults in your life.I guess she respects Kasamachi.
>>286160542There's no non-sensitive age for not having your needs met. 15 is way better than 10, too. She could fake being an adult now if she had to, which orphans generally did in the past. Overall she's lucky. Despite no parents, she has extra adults to learn from and the standard 12 years of faking it instead of more.
when do asa and makio kiss??
>>286161325Read 1 x 1/2
>>286156931Makio is also a wolf.
>>286156931interesting, so this is how women see this story
