This looked interesting so I'm dumping it. One-Shot story by Tamamushi https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1028345
Did you ever read Mercenary Pierre?
>>286219844it always throws me for a loop when her name is written as Joan of Arc since I've been down the anime & manga & vidya rabbit hole for so fucking long
>>286220714Never heard of it, I might check it out later
Jean! Jean! Jean!
Jannu owes me sex
The end.
Who is your favorite Jannu?
>>286222766Thanks, OP. La Pucelle
>>286220808Oh boy, wait until you see how joan died and spent prison time
This was very nice. Thanks for dumping.
>>286221571*Jalter intensifies*
Does anyone know where to find an English TL of the previour oneshot by this author? It's about a Japanese architecture student being hit on by a white woman in a westoid country. It features the culture clash between Japanese and westoid "dating culture". Seems interesting, but my own dekinai skills only carried me about 50% of the way there. https://shonenjumpplus.com/episode/3270296674354393396
>>286225537>the ghost of Joan haunts a hermaphrodite English king and keeps on telling him to kill himselfIt wasn't a great show but it had its moment
>>286220016I've always been on the side that it was a real conspiracy between the siblings and her.
>>286220300Dude looks like an absolute midget in the upper left.
>>286220551Yeah, the post Orleans story of Joan is pretty depressing for how she was deliberately screwed over by the Dauphin (later King) who kept giving her less and less money to maintain an army. To the point at the end that she might as well have been actively sabotaged as a way to dispose of her.
That was nice. I always liked that book, Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc.
>>286227635Bump on this
>>286220496>>286220517>also god literally told the english to go fuck themselves
I liked it,thanks OP>>286229793same thing,girl and it's something people in my country say all the time actually
>>286222240The words to live by.
>>286220604>>286220641>>286220671>>286220697Fucking nepobabies.
>>286221503IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME, NOT HIM !!!
i am going to joan
>>286221217Joan is so silly
>>286219844Thanks for the storytime, op. It was interesting for sure.
>>286221011Just digging that grave.
>>286221142People always give the advice to fake it until you make it.
>>286221267>>286221287I do like the perspective here.
>>286221369>>286221427This quickly went from "historically inspired" to "historical fanfic" I personally don't have a problem with the latter, but if you're going to make a story about Joan of Arc don't put up with mega super uber bullshit like she accepted gold gifts and suggest she would proclaim any no name bishop for gold was the real bishop. Or that she wasn't actually poor. At that point may as well include the legend she was secretly from noble birth.
>>286237299should've had some nice sexy rape if they were going down that route
>>286237394>t. Angloid
your holy virgin was a whore for the englishman
>>286237299>>286237394This isn't Joan of Arc. This is referencing an actual impersonator. It was made clear at the start that this is a woman pretending to be Joan. How did you miss that? >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_des_ArmoisesAlso Joan wasn't extremely poor in the way that some peasant were utterly destitute at the time. Her father was the local village leader and minor landowner (50 Acres of property). This meant that while she was an illiterate (at least in Latin) peasant, she wasn't as bad off as the serfs that would have still existed at the time.
>>286237775Yeah I know that but the story suggest she was accommodated, this is as stupid as to say that if you're not homeless you're not poor. The story also is not accurate to Claude owns story, she didn't face a trial saying people to raise for nebulous reasons. Her story goes that she actually went on to live a peaceful life after taking the same role Joan did when she was alive, even if she was not the real one. The one-shot take this to do their usual "wow so grimderp shit" that is usual in these manga since Berserk came. With the exception than Berserk has more going to it. Like I said I don't mind historical fanfic but at least put the effort to deliver a message and not this generic slop. Poor man's shoujo.
>>286238036It didn't say that Joan would have accepted the money. It says that a girl that grew up much poorer than Joan and who doesn't have the voice of god in her ear would have accepted the money. Joan herself would have almost certainly scolded the man and refused the bribe. But Fake Joan isn't the same woman. Regarding fine clothing, Joan had an extremely expensive custom suit of armor made for her at a time when knightly armor was the F22 fighter jet of the era. She wasn't greedy, but she was willing to take expensive gifts of some sorts openly rather than being totally committed to poverty.
:)https://files.catbox.moe/bab5k4.jpg
>>286238133I'm talking from the perspective of the author. I wouldn't mind a story that is just a slice of life with Claude going through the country performing small deeds even if mischievous, or actually helping to carry the war against the English, or mysticism.But the way in which the story is framed and the historical changes made veer too much into victimhood, ignoring far more interesting paths the story could have taken. This same trait can be found both in shoujo and often in historical inspired manga with western settings.But I think the premise is interesting and the story is redeemed a bit by its ending, where the King found piety on letting her go. This is a one-shot so if the author decides to make a whole manga about it maybe it can improve from there if guided.>Joan had an extremely expensive custom suit of armorJoan of Arc was in the battlefield, even if she wasn't a common foot soldier she was in danger like everyone else. Armour was a need and not a luxury.
>>286233782Well that part is taken directly from the Bible, after all.
>>286221503Girl should have realized that she went off script too hard.
>>286221522>>286221546>>286221571Wonder if this was meant to be Gilles de Rais. He's got that look to him.
>>286221771>>286242534Hah it was him.
>>286233782I mean Henry The 8th and Martin Luther broke up the church at a time when it needed to remain united against the ottoman turks.
>>286238133The real joan also beat the shit out of prostitutes who were trying to seduce the men in her camp.
Did Gilles de Rais really do the things he was accused of ?
>>286219844The Japanese seem to have a bit of an obsession with Joan Of Arc don't they? >The fate franchse>That Madoka Magica spinoff manga>Several video games where she's a character>A character in Berserk is based on hernow this.
>>286219924Liane didn't make it though.....
>>286222240Nani!?
>>286242597This.Now both Protestant and Catholic churches are hosting faggots and pedophiles
>>286242690Would it fucking kill a single one to actually look into Christianity? For appearing in every other major thing, they sure know jackshit about it. And it's just really fucking annoying. Like me shoving in some weeb as a representation of Japan.
>>286221819>>286221836I think our actress is a bit of an idiot.
>>286222539This shot looks oddly romantic lol.But yes historical wise Charles did find out Claudes is imposter because she could not repeat exactly what Jeanne had said to him during their meeting. Something only those 2 know.
>>286221888>>286221905This is her best moment in the disguise.
>>286221946>>286221987The real Chuck was a fucking bitch cunt that screwed Joan intentionally. After his Coronation she got a skeleton crew and was told to go wander around Burgundy aimlessly with almost zero support that she didn't gather herself. And he didn't even make any bid to rescue her from her captivity, either. >>286222008Its over....
>>286242690It's always strangers picking up your culture,I am Romanian and I couldn't tell you much about this mad lad but there's a plethora of women who know everything about him
>>286222098The most Japanese French girl ever.
>>286222240masaka
>>286222685Thanks OPIt had a heart. >>286222766Drifters Joan, of course.
>>286245351meh
>>286220109shikata ga nai na
>>286242667No, same with Bathory, their enemies wanted their land
>>286244858I still call him Dauphin of Limoges, just to piss on his memory
>>286238868>Armour was a need and not a luxurysure, but if you were rank-and-file soldier then the most you got was some hard leather and a pointy stick, metal was still difficult to make and time consuming, and most of the time you'd probably get chainmail. Full plate armor was pretty rare at the time and mostly used for just the important people
>>286222098shikata ga nai na~
>>286222240SHIKATA GAARU
Interesting that the story doesn't mention that after the king pardoned her, the imposter went on to marry a knight, live in a castle, and have two children, given that in the one-shot so much focus is given to her lamenting that no one would ever marry the real her and that peasants like her can't get a leg up in the world and live in places with walls.
>>286238699This is overstepping the historical record, the English would have bragged about it
>>286251496oh, it's you againheyand no
>>286238699If the English had proof she wasn't a virgin it would have been used at her trial. If they didn't bring it up, they didn't have proof otherwise.
>>286252077because you can't really prove virginity
>>286252216You can, don’t believe modern women lies
>>286252298okayhow then?go on
>>286252216An intact hymen is total proof, but a non-intact hymen is not proof of sex. You can't get a false positive, but you can get a false negative.
>>286252457thanks for helping my point
>>286252471Her hymen was verified intact
>>286252608according to?
>>286252620women
>>286252648lol
>>286221946>>286221969>>286221987>>286222008NO YOU IDIOT DON'T ENTERTAIN HIS WORDS
>>286252457This also means that doing it in a boy's butt is not gay by the way, because it doesn't count as sex
>>286220273I fucking hate the character development hair cut
>>286254739japanese are stupy
>>286222685>MB, 1438x2100)predictable, lame, trying too hard. I could tell exactly what was going to be the flow of the story just by reading the first page. That's not bad by itself, but extremely disappointing. And, one thing that I absolutely despise in manga set in ancient times. Is that everything is filtered through a modern lens. This one is no different which makes it so ass.
>>286237394zased. historical fiction is only good for porn
>>286254515trvke. If its not peen on vag it's not real sex
What happened to the husband though
>>286242690They like pure white girls. Same reason they like Alice
>>286231926kek
Is there no definitive Jeanne d'Arc book out there? Someone told me it was the one written by Mark Twain but ugh, surely there's gotta be something better than that out there.
>>286244876Dracula was created by an englishman, gyp. He just based it on a romanian person but iirc he got some historical facts and geographical locations wrong anyway.
>>286235042Not even the best BS1 girl.
>>286243041The western understanding of faith and piety is completely foreign to Japanese people who see religion as something way more casual. It's a completely different worldview.
>>286254739>nooooo you need to keep long hair even as a fighter even if it's likely to get you killed by getting tangled up in shit and even if it makes you lose valuable time or condems you to constant mental unwellness Shorthairlet idiot spotted.
It's funny how every Joan of Arc story conveniently ignores her failed siege of Paris and how she was increasingly pushed to the wayside by Charles VII prior to her death. She led a remarkable life, but the unfortunate truth is she was more useful to France as a martyr than as a military figure.
>>286259581She was scapegoated.
>>286259048Kelly DeVries has a solid short book analyzing Joan's military acumen. https://www.joan-of-arc.org/ is a great source for primary documents about her.
>>286259581The issue is that Charles VII started forcing a push for a political end to the HYW, while Joan and crew were still aiming to drive out the English and Burgundians militarily. The first assault on Paris failed, but that was typical even for Joan. It was obviously going to take multiple attacks to crack the city open, and any reasonable leader would have known that. But instead, after the first assault didn't instantly take the city, Charles VII got his excuse to sideline her hard, and then started cutting her access to men and munitions over and over again. She was basically set up to fail there so he could pivot his strategy.
>>286259888Which was based. Women should learn their place.
>>286259888> It was obviously going to take multiple attacks to crack the city open, and any reasonable leader would have known that.Charles VII only withdrew after sustaining heavy casualties and failing to make any progress. The French army was also not at all equipped for a prolonged siege. They were already low on supplies after a lengthy campaign and had little artillery. It's true that Joan became politically inconvenient to Charles, but that doesn't change the fact that the Siege of Paris was a complete tactical failure by any metric.
>>286259048>but ughBut nothing, it is a great book that is well-researched and a spectacular piece of historical fiction. It goes on flights of fancy and considers the aspects of the divine, but that is entirely appropriate for the 15th century in which Joan lived in, extremely relevant to her life and God's mission to rid France of the English Twain was an Anglo-Saxon Protestant satirist, but even he couldn't find anything worth mocking the purity in Joan
>>286260591I just don't care for Mark Twain's writing. I'm surprised there's not a better book out there.
>>286243041What's your problem, bitchcake?
>>286222685Thank you for the storytime.
>>286261761your mother's pussy is too loose faggot
>brits were always evil>french were always chickenshit conniving cowardsSome things never change.
>>286264173Virgin detected.
>>286219844This bitch is so over used in nip media, when are they going to stop wanking her??
>>286264392Literally everyone who ever reads about Joan for 10 minutes becomes forever fascinated by her.
>>286264463Reads what?
>>286264463>the pious pure tomboy gf of my dreams was real
>>286251401She apparently also took part in at least one more battle against the bongs even after she was proven to be an impostor, so whatever she was, at least she wasn't a coward.>>286259888Funny thing is that today likely ten times more people know Joan than him.
>>286264200>BritsWhat does the Duchy of Brittany have to do with anything?
>>286264463This, but Napoleon
>>286219844thank you OP, cool manga
>>286264773good morals and character will outlive petty political victories
>>286264616https://archive.org/details/joanofarcherstor00pern
>>286264773>>286265394Actually, Joan went largely forgotten for centuries until her memory was revived as a nationalist symbol in the French Revolution.
>>286266114sauce?
>>286266140Most iconography of her only date back to the 1800s and her canonization as a saint only happened in 1920. Before then, she was celebrated locally in Orleans, but was widely dismissed as a fairy tale. Voltaire famously wrote an erotic poem starring Joan and had her fucking her flying donkey.
>>286266633what
>>286268051https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Maid_of_Orleans_(poem)
>>286265118Him too but generally the media has tried to portray him as a joke so while his name is known by 80% of the population, a lot of them think he was a joke because they never actually read about him.
>>286266633Voltaire was the face of the Enlightenment, both in its innovation and its arrogance, who hated the fact that France existed before himself and spent a lot of time shitting on the Medieval era.
>>286269378>who hated the fact that France existed before himselfTo be fair, it barely did. The idea of a national identity was still infantile in the middle ages and most people were more loyal to their local region than the country. Just take a look at how many different languages people spoke just in France.
>>286269593Bro... France is one of the oldest countries.
>>286242690Joan of Arc is the most documented miracle in history. It's very hard to reconcile here with a materialist worldview.>>286243041I read somewhere once that they don't really understand it, but everyone knows Catholics have the best art.
>>286266633Voltaire was somewhat infamously hostile to religion and religious authorities. If he mocked Joan, it was to attack to church.
>>286269618Sure, but there's a reason why the hundred years war was as much a war of french people killing french as it was france against england.
>>286269695i'll never miss an opportunity to amplify thishttps://www.astralcodexten.com/p/your-review-joan-of-arca wonderful essay; read the whole thing.
>>286269593>The idea of a national identity was still infantile in the middle ages and most people were more loyal to their local region than the country. Just take a look at how many different languages people spoke just in France.Based. Oh how far we've fallen
>>286269695>they don't really understand itI can't really blame them. It is possible to reach an intellectual understanding of the fundamental underpinnings of a culture if you study it seriously, but it's not possible to get it like someone who grew up in that framework.
>>286269593>>286269971
>>286270071>Claims to hate English>Writes multiple books predominantly in English
>>286269618States as you know them did not exist but were loose collections of alliances and oaths between nobles.>>286269695Japanese religion, if you can even call it that, is based on folklore and tradition than any kind of scripture or doctrine. They're like if animistic African tribals who thought everything had a spirit (which the Japanese more or less do) weren't dumb and actually advanced past the stone age. They know of God and Jesus, but they do not fundamentally understand how all men could be equal. Best they can do is some Buddhism comparisons because that got really popular over there ages ago, but it still doesn't come close. Christianity is God created man and gave him paradise before he let a woman lead him into sin. Buddhism is we're stuck in a nightmare realm with different layers, some shittier than others, and we need to let go and ascend beyond. >>286270002Cultures really aren't that unexplainable. There's a reason for everything.
>>286270196All men being equal is a massive cope.Random jobbers are not Rudeus.
>>286269911They won though.
>>286270196>Cultures really aren't that unexplainableNobody said they are. You yourself said the Japanese fundamentally can't understand a basic concept of Western civilization that can be summed up in four words. And you aren't able to understand, on an emotional level, the framework that guides a Japanese person even if you can explain it in words.
>>286243041Most christians don't understand Christianity. Why would you expect godless heathens from the other side of the world to get it?
>>286270444learn some reading comprehensioni don't have time to explain anything to brainlets>>286270579ah, you mean "christians"i hate those heretics
>>286270665Catholics are the most successful sect of Christianity and they have been exporting violence to other parts of the world for some 1400 years.The Romans went from bloodthirsty pagans to peaceful Christians and then roundtripped to bloodthirsty Christians.
>>286270716I was talking about Protestants but Catholicism is currently suffering from a host of its own problems thanks to the heretics in the Papacy concerning them with earthly matters over spiritual ones.
>>286270802I just wanted to clarify that while Protestants are low class, they are not responsible for genocide on a global scale.if you want good art, go to Italy.if you want the lamb of god, go to the protestants.
>>286269765To be totally fair to Voltaire, this is one of the few cases where he'd come to regret what he wrote and later published a far less tawdry revision while claiming the earlier work was someone plagiarizing him.
>>286270802>>286270913To rerail this argument. This entire discussion would completely fly over the head of a Jap. Not because they lack understanding of the theology, but because the very idea that a theological debate could inspire such vitriol is completely alien to them because they don't understand faith in terms of a strict dogma.
>>286270992The Japanese are wise then.Dogma is a poison. It can't be coincidence they are one of the most peaceful societies on Earth.
>>286270913oh those poor slavers, baby killers, and rapist>>286271036A society that works itself to death is little better than a society that kills itself
>>286270665>n-no u
>>286271480>go from a rural backwater that literally had two nukes dropped on them to fourth largest economy globallyi would say the Japanese are doing just fine.
>>286271604>a rural backwater that literally had two nukes dropped on themThey were already an up and coming world power around the turn of the previous century, well before WW2. You can find all sorts of political art of Japan being symbolically welcomed onto the world stage. The speed at which they modernized during the 19th century impressed the great powers a lot. I suppose people were entertained by the prospect of an Asian society that could keep pace with the old world (and America) and China and Korea didn't show much promise at the time.
>>286271999They still don't. It's amazing, in spite of every social problem Japan has, it's not nearly as bad as Worst Korea and China.
>>286271999lol at China seething from behind the cuck wall.
>>286272138i just noticed thatholy shitmy sides
>>286272042Perhaps but they did both manage to industrialize in a spectacular fashion once they finally got to it. Really, a lot of their social issues stem from modernizing too fast and hard and their social fabric not knowing how to cope with it.
>>286271999Who is the blonde ubergoddess on the left?
>>286272364Germany, I think. They were red, white, and black stripes before
>>286272364Germany
>>286271999>Germany on the left>America leading Japan by the hand.>Britain extending hers.>France watching from the right.
>>286272467everything was based until germany went full retard
>>286272693>implyingHave you actually read Mein Kampf?https://files.catbox.moe/vgr55q.jpg
>>286272693Eh, the whole international order of the time was a powder keg. People thought you could still have a jolly old war. Höwever...
>>286254739I think this was a not-getting-raped hair cut.
>>286273702that's cutestill getting raped
>>286269952>A saintly teenage girl who outargues a roomful of philosophers with no training, merely divine inspiration, is absurd. There’s no chance at all that such a saint might have existed, let alone been interviewed by a team of experts (under oath) about her entire life, and of course if this team of experts did interview her they would no doubt end up concluding she was a fraud, though of course we can’t expect them to mail copies of the interview to every monarch in Europe to prove it.>And definitely nobody would ever, ever be so angry at irregularities in the first interview that they would try to themselves interview everyone she'd ever met about her (still under oath) and mail a copy of the updated and revised version to every monarch in Europe to prove that all her miracles actually happened.>Meet Jeanne d’Arc, Maid of Orleans. Yes, yes, she defeated an invincible army and is a feminist hero and also one of the national saints of France, fine. More importantly, Joan of Arc is documented! She's a miracle-working saint who has evidence! She might have more evidence than any other non-monarch before the printing press! This is, then, an agnostic’s review of the evidence for Joan of Arc - artillerist, fraudbuster, confirmed saint, and Extremely Documented Person.
>>286274503>illyagrossalso what
>>286274503>grossfag.>whatit's from the linked essay, you blithering fool.
>>286272790His seething over the Slavs taking over the Austro-Hungarian Empire was BS. I did find his compliments towards the Catholic Church to be interesting. He really admired the Priesthood. Too bad Hitler was dumb.
>Joan of Arc Was demonically possessed.
>>286274795It takes a strong will to deny yourself the pleasures of this earth and devote yourself completely to god.
>>286274647it reads way too much like a redditor's shitpost
>>286275495Don't read the essay, you would be wasting your time. Stick to TikTok and 4chan.
>>286275587Not an argument
not arguing with you retard
Honestly, the real Joan of Arc was more interesting than all her fictional counterparts. Just reading her trial alone shows how much bantz she have and you can tell why anyone would follow just by her force of personality alone
>>286275780Of course not. You're being retarded yourself
>>286269695>most documented miracle in history.Howso?
>>286243041Japan would be a lot more Christian today if the Americans had nuked any city other than Nagasaki, where the entire population of Japanese catholics lived.
>>286275907I would strongly encourage you to read the essay, but tl;dr: her trial was recorded, which included eyewitness testimony; copies were sent to other monarchs of england; the surviving eyewitnesses were re-interviewed years later to corroborate their stories. all of this was contemporaneous with her existence and execution, meaning it was all firsthand.
>>286275907>>286276271link is here>>286269952
>>286276437
>>286276437>>286276461What are the odds Jeanne was an autistic super genius who was genuinely faithful but knew if she was going to be taken seriously she had to present herself as divine and heaven-sent?
>b-but the primary source-all fabricated. you can do that you know, just forge documents.
>>286276959well, even if she was brilliant (and she probably was, otherwise the only explanation is she is divinely inspired), it's amazing she so quickly mastered command. and this isn't like EU IV, she was on the field, with cannonballs and arrows whizzing by; people dying by the hundreds all around in the most gruesome ways. and she kept her composure and resolve throughout it all.they say genius is cousin to madness, perhaps she was a little bit of both. or maybe angels really spoke to her, not just voices in her head.
>>286277638do you have proof they're fabricated?in this case, caligula was actually a noble man and cassius dio was just being a prick
>>286277638the trial was recorded by people hostile to her and show that she was, at the very least, incredibly brilliant. we have no reason to doubt the testimony of those who served by her side or faced her on the field, either.
>>286277676the soldiers who raped her senseless probably still don't regret it while they're burning in hella sublime and brilliant holy virgin with big tits
>>286277727So true saaaaaar now redeem it
>>286277817Anon, I know Europeans were Christians and white, but even they got pretty brutal during war time.
>>286277860The Crusades were basically exporting violent assholes to the ME to fight and die for Christ.
>>286277727It beggars belief that the English wouldn't have made a farce of her not being a virgin if they'd raped her.
>>286276437Always makes me chuckle how much of Artillery-enjoyer Joan of fucking Arc is
>>286278205>pretending like Muslims hadn't conquered and Islamified previous Christian territories such as North Africa, Egypt, and Spain
>>286278273fate had the opportunity to do the most warranted reference but instead settled on making jeanne some self-insert dragon OC donutsteel's sex toy
>>286278273Artillery in that time was an imprecise science, but it strongly favors people who are able to estimate trajectories, ie perform trigonometry in their head.not that artillery was particularly accurate, but if you are going to use it you want to at least aim it in the right direction. so if Joan was a polymath as some of us suspect, she would be a superior artillerist.
>>286278443My autistic supergenius hypothesis has some credence then.
>either Joan truly was divinde-mandated>or that she's an autistic genius who really fucking hates the English and decides to get rid of them herselfActually fucking based ngl
>>286278500She could be both.But getting pissed at camp follower whores trying to seduce her men seems more like an autistic genius thing than a purely religious one.
>https://www.jeanne-darc.info/trial-of-condemnation-index/Her trials was the legit one of the best trials there is. Too bad they had to cheat to sentence her
>>286278553it was pretextual, they were going to burn her either way. it gave her a chance to absolutely demolish the best theologians they could find.
>>286278286>previous Christian territories >such as North Africa, Egypt, and Spainget a load of this christcuck larper
>>286279028...Anon, do you know what the Coptic church and Reconquista were?Do you know where Heraclius came from?
>>286279098her clitus? i didn't even know her, your honor.
