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I think my least favorite type of character is the one who takes nothing in their life seriously, has no discipline in any domain, and yet is miraculously the universe’s greatest warrior. This character seems to be in nearly every franchise now.

Our culture’s cynicism in all things forgot you actually have to care about things like training, or a cause, or something.
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>>286220330
>nothing serious in his life
>no discipline
>greatest in the universe
Well that's me. OP, you don't like me your friend Anonymous?
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>>286220330
pic unrelated
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>>286220393
Picture very related. Frieren and most of the other characters are like this.
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>>286220449
no, pic unrelated
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>>286220473
We've never seen her train. Everything she does is deus ex machina. She's always proven right about everything and she never once loses.
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>>286220330
it's called a Mary Sue
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What even is the point of Frieren, the world building feels half assed and it ultimately dosen't even matter, Frieren is such a boring character, there's no excitement or adventure here, i don't get the appeal.
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>>286220529
I've never seen a show so empty and devoid of anything to say.
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>>286220330
When you are a thousand years old, statistically it’s almost impossible not to be the best at at least one thing - unless you are op, of course.
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>>286220330
Why do you keep trying to criticize this show you've never watched?
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>>286220497
you don't need to see literally everything about her life
it's a story, not an encyclopedia
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>>286220330
Pic unrelated?
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>>286220330
No she actually used to take her training seriously and she does take killing demons seriously.
She just doesn’t continuously have a sick up her ass abut stupid shit.
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>>286220529
You have to view it as newspaper funnies, don't try to look for any deeper meaning because there isn't any
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>>286220497
She spent a thousand years training in the woods.
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You would think the life of an immortal elf would be more interesting.
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>>286220694
Her training ideally should be a significant part into seeing her mindset. But we don't see that.
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>>286220836
Never shown any of on screen.
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>>286220330
Just a reminder that you cannot complain about isekai anymore after Frieren aired.
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>>286220497
She lost 11 times off-screen to people with less mana than her, and Lernen was acknowledged as potentially being a match against her at the end of last season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULhrxxtjw8g
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>>286220519
True.
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>>286221131
>Off screen
And there's the problem.
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>>286221131
Weren't those losses before she joined Himmel? She's also humble. What a character says is different than how they'll act in a real situation especially if bloodlusted. Frieren's clone pulling out secret spells for example. She wasn't even that serious when Lernen cheapshot her, probably because Stark was nearby, seems like her guard is down whenever she's around allies.
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>>286221351
>Weren't those losses before she joined Himmel?
I don't recall her specifying that. I think one of those losses was again Qual.
>She wasn't even that serious when Lernen cheapshot her
Serie acknowledged that Lernen potentially could beat Frieren, if I recall, and Serie is pretty on the money from what we see.
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Freiren is one of the most disciplined characters ever. She literally spends 24 hours a day restricting her mana flow so it can't be detected.
>w..we never see her train
She's multiple millenniums old. She already power scaled and beat the demon lord, and is now on a post adventure quest training 2 kids. Your whole thread is disingenuous and you're a retard.
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>>286221474
We've never seen her train. Everything she does is deus ex machina. She's always proven right about everything and she never once loses.
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>>286220600
op is the best at being a faggot
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>>286221487
The story isn't about her getting stronger retard. She ALREADY did the training, and if you read the manga she's significantly stronger than when she was traveling because she continued her studies for the 100 years after. This isn't a fucking battle shounen, and it's understood that the story is about her emotional growth not her shounen power level.
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>>286220330
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/%22I%20think%20my%20least%20favorite%20type%20of%20character%20is%20the%20one%20who%20takes%20nothing%20in%20their%20life%20seriously%22/
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>>286221442
Serie doesn't like Frieren and is probably misjudging her. She said it herself that the mages that didn't ask for power always ended up surprising her.
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>>286221562
>Emotional growth
That's the biggest joke of the show there's no emotional growth the characters aren't even that emotional.
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Just say you're too illiterate to understand a show that isn't even that complex to begin with. Stick to one piece or DBZ those are perfect for you sub 60iq thirdies. No more (YOU)s you're just begging for attention.
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>>286220330
Sounds like someone didn't get his game on
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>>286221666
Frieren is a battle shonen.
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>>286221100
you dont need to see how a character learned something if the character is set on the present and if is not so important, it matters if you need to pull an ability without making an asspull. The thing with Shonen and Western superheroes is that we got to see the origin stories, sometimes that just doesn't matter.
>>286221029
thats you being a bad writer, you dont need that at all.
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>>286221562
Yeah if only there actually was any emotional growth in the show.
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>>286221748
You don't think seeing training, seeing how she uses moves and digging into her mindset as to how she uses certain moves and why isn't important or would improve her writing in any way?
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>>286221562
>the story is about her emotional growth
Not really, it's more about her cherishing the memories she had of Himmel by retracing her steps and reliving them, it's like replaying an old game from your childhood that you couldn't appreciate at the time. Compare Kraft's interactions with her, Kraft is much more interested in her life than she in his. They spent months together but it doesn't seem like she ever asked more about his past which is dumb and a copout by the author to keep Kraft mysterious but at the expense of shitty storytelling and bad character development.
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>>286220497
If that's all it takes to count as a deus ex machina moment then I suspect you're the type that sees god in every machine whether he's there or not
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>>286220330
You didn't watch it did you?
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>>286220330
Mary Sue is a very old media critique.
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>>286221851
Old? You shouldn't be part of this conversation if you think that matters.
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>>286220330
Dishonest writing!
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What is this thing with people creating a wrong assumption about an anime and then proceeding to get mad at it?
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>>286222038
Not an assumption, a conclusion from watching the show.
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>>286222084
You could only get this conclusion if you treated it like a battle shounen (no it isn't, if you think it is or ever turned into one you're an idiot. Yes the fights are cool and there's a lot of them, that's not the same) and paid no attention to what characters want and are trying to do.
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>>286222172
>Literally has a chuunin exams style for no fucking reason
>Has a crazy sakuga fight scene at the end of almost every episode
>I-it's not the same because it just isn't okay!?
Frieren fans are so fucking pathetic lmao.
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>You don't think seeing training ... would improve writing
The shonen brainrot is real
No, I don't think moar training montages = better. Aside from how that's the opposite of every writing tip/consensus anywhere ever (aside from shonen threads) you're just dumb. Things can be stated or implied. OP's a faggot today.
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>>286222197
>The shonen brainrot
Frieren is a battle shonen. There's a fucking chuunin exams battle royale and a ton of fucking fights. I don't give a shit what the "consensus" is in your faggoty 4chan threads are. Especially considering you're actually trying to defend Frieren as good writing. Digging deeper into a character's mindset is good writing.
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>>286222190
I like battle shounen, though most of it is shit, and I'd readily call it that if that's what it was
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>>286220330
Nobody actually likes this anime. It's popular because its popular. A huge mainstream circle jerk.
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>>286222272
That's what it is.
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>>286222277
Don't be dishonest, that's not how things get popular
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>>286222277
It's popular because it has very high production value. Imagine if it was made by JC Staff. Crazy how a studio can make or break it.
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>>286220902
The title is "Beyond Journey's End".
The entire point is that she lived so long that her accomplishments and recognition have since faded into legends and myths, and she has returned to being a nobody once more. Even statues honoring her don't necessarily match her appearance because the sculptors don't know or remember what the hero Frieren looked like. She's the instructor here, the mentor character. Fern is the student.

And now even her enemies are underestimating her once more.
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>it's thread where op pretends to not understand what people are saying
The lamest from of bait
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>>286222477
>Everyone actually agrees with me some subconscious level, it's just you're pretending to not understand
What I don't understand is how the fuck Frieren fans have such a massive ego that they genuinely think this way, and can't just understand that someone is simply disagreeing with them.
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>>286222238
>b-but Frieren is shonen yadda yada
I don't care. Then the problem is you're used to shonen that takes -40iq to understand and you found one that needs more (20iq) and that's much. tldr; your complaint is dumb.
>Digging deeper into a character's mindset is good writing.
It's literally stated that she trains (mana). It's implied that she trains from she knows elvish, collects and reads books on magic, etc. We even hear some perspectives she has on magic.
Things being implied is called "show, don't tell" in writing. That's the common perspective. You're literally saying you need another training montage or some shit to "get" that she trains for real when it's said AND implied. The heck? That's actual brainrot.
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>>286222536
This is not simple disagreement mate, you can dislike the show all you want and I'd even agree with you that it's got big problems that need to be criticized, though I like it despite those issues
But this specific kind of criticism that it's getting is the sort that only comes from idiots who don't understand it
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>>286222543
>I don't care. Then the problem is you're used to shonen that takes -40iq to understand and you found one that needs more (20iq) and that's much. tldr; your complaint is dumb.
Literally nothing in Frieren takes more than a 40Iq to understand. It's all very simple and exposited out for you in every single way possible. There's nothing that's left to the imagination or for you to intuit.
>Off-screen
>Implied
>Perspectives
How about actually showing her training? Ironic that you're trying to use show don't tell against me when you're describing the show doing all the telling, but never any of the actual showing.
>>286222605
>Y-you just don't understand it mayynnee
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>>286222190
I cant believe Im saying this unironically but you got filtered.
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>>286222693
There's nothing to be filtered by. It's the most safe and boring battle shonen.
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>>286222656
You're like two different people with incompatible points of view that cane together because you both hate Frieren
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>>286222740
I'm still waiting for an argument.
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>>286221797
>it's more about her cherishing the memories she had
I think it's a bit of both. There are many instances where Stark or Fren mention that's Frieren is different from earlier in their adventure. She does impart a lot of advice and I am sure to believe that this is a sign of her maturing.
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>>286222536
You're disagreeing with something that isnt true of the show and then getting mad that people are correcting you on it.
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>>286222754
You got plenty, you just ignored and strawmaned them at every opportunity
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>>286222656
>>Off-screen
>>Implied
Why does it need to be shown "on-screen"? What's wrong with leaving things implied for the reader to connect 1+1=2? You just decided that on your own. There's no basis to any of it.
>Literally nothing in Frieren takes more than a 40Iq to understand.
Ok? In my post I said 20iq. You don't have the 20iq to understand it lol.
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>>286222779
And I'm showing you how that is true. You're just ignoring me and repeating the same points like braindead cattle.
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>>286222805
>Why does it need to be shown "on-screen"? What's wrong with leaving things implied for the reader to connect 1+1=2? You just decided that on your own. There's no basis to any of it.
You're saying that the story shows instead of tells and then saying that it tells instead of show. Which fucking is it, retard? The fact that they never show it AT ALL is a problem.
>You just don't get it mayne with no elaboration
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>>286222814
>5-2=3
>No it doesn't!
>Yes it does. Look, for the last time, please just look at what happens, there are five balls, I put three over there, and look there are two left
>You're just ignoring me and repeating yourself!
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>>286222874
>I'm going to pretend that my retarded arguments that fall apart under the most minor scrutiny are comparable to the simplest math problems.

Seriously, retard?
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>>286222909
>Minor scrutiny
Your scrutiny is definitely the type a minor would make
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>>286222845
The tip is about leaving things implied, in writing that would be "shown" or whatever. This is not a book so it's different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show,_don%27t_tell
>It avoids adjectives describing the author's analysis and instead describes the scene in such a way that readers can draw their own conclusions.
> "Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass."
That's what I'm saying; you need to be told it as plainly as possible. You need the moon to be shining. It's fine to show "the glint of light on broken glass" and get that the moon is shining because you aren't a mongrel.
For you, there needs to be training and it has to be on-screen and only then you can "approve it" when fighting is not even the entire focus of the series.
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>>286223034
Again, you keep talking about how the show is implying, read telling, that Frieren is training and yet all you're doing is saying that its showing that when that's exact opposite of what it's doing.
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>>286220330

Pic unrelated though. Frieren is shown training and it´s stated she´s trained for centuries to achieve the height of magic. Granted it is also stated that she is gifted and cheats. In any case the show is not even about that... her struggles, her conflict is of emotional nature. The focus is not put on power levels even though yes, there are some related elements considering all that first class mages stuff.
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>>286223131
There's barely anything in the show about her struggles and her emotional conflict.
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>>286223084
honestly, the Aura episode was blatant in being shonen and telling you about it yeah.
But it's also got enough scenes where she teaches Fern, collects grimoires, etc. and there are more important things going on like the debate with Serie on magic that you don't need a "Gandalf training arc" montage of her reading a grimoire for an hour or doing Fern's aiming training to get it.
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>>286221100
It was shown in a montage that came at the end of an explaination of how and why she trained in an extensive flashback that lasted more than half an episode
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>>286223578
Bodied that FREAK
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>>286222477
It's literally just the demonposter not demonposting directly
He's using the exact same writing style and "argument" formats, right down to just ignoring what anons say and repeating himself as if they didn't just effortlessly rebutt his arguments lol
Call me a schizo if you want. I'm good a patern recognition
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>>286220529
It's a series you have to watch with your brain turned off, perfect for brainlets and midwits. The moment you start taking it seriously, you realise how boring and empty it is.
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>>286223643
>Effortlessly rebut his arguments
You mean using in-universe explanations to try and refute an out of universe metatextual critique of the series? That's your "rebuttal"?
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>>286223771
Demonposter confirmed lmao
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Nigger, her entire gimmick is doing a millennia of magical weight training with the mana suppression shit.
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>>286223807
>POOPSHITTER SCHIZO LOL
>HE GAVE GOOD ARGUMENTS SO HE MUST BE A SCHIZO HAHAHA
Pathetic.
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>>286222222
>>286222277
Truth Nuke
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>>286223950
>gets found out
>shits his pants
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>>286222277
Nice numbers
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>>286223771
>Out of universe metatextual critique
That only works if you understand what's in the text to begin with, otherwise you're just making shit up
In-universe explanations are 100% relevant, because they are the context that any meta level conversation has to be built upon
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>>286224212
>responding in earnest to a dishonest poster
Shigydigy
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>>286224212
The watsonian rarely has any power over the doylist. Saying a character made a stupid decision because they have an impulsive personality, doesn't then make the stupid decision any less stupid.
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>>286220330
What? She takes magic very seriously, she's obsessive bout it to the detriment of everything else in her life.
Have you never mastered any skill?
Hahahaha of course not. So you don't know what you're talking about.
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>>286224262
The hypothetical argument wasn't if the decision was stupid to begin with though. You say a character did something stupid, I say it makes sense for them to have done sonething stupid, we're in total agreement but you're the one who has arbitrarily decided that it makes the story bad.
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>>286221562
>This isn't a fucking battle shounen
It does try to be with the power level faggotry and it fails miserably to be fair
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>>286224551
There are no "powerlevels" in frieren
The concept of having higher mana is specifically used for one purpose, which is deception of demons. Magic is a rock paper scissors type deal where different mages have different match-ups regardless of mana quantity or control
Fern would body methode in a zoltraak fight
Fern would immediately job to methode because of her specialization in molestation magic
Shonen has fried your brain
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>My favorite shounen?
>Sou sou no Frieren of course
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>>286221100
I’ve also never seen the footage of you guzzling a million cocks but I still know you’re a faggot…
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>>286224437
>Arbitrary
Retard all criticism is subjective.
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>>286224755
Magic being rock paper scissors woul mean that fights are almost entirely match up dependant and strategy based, in that case there wouldn't even be any point in mentioning having greater mana or mana growing with age besides a side note. Now, that shit isn't the case here, because the power system is basically "make stronger barrier when faced with strong attack" and "make stronger-er attack to destroy stronger barrier" 90% of the time with the 10% being the few faggots that just completely side step the power system by just doing whatever they want. The visualization shit is just an excuse for the writer to justify asspulls but the vast majority of the time if you have greater mana (greater power level) you win fights regardless of match up.
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>>286224437
Frieren fans like to do this thing where, if you ever criticize the show, they don't actually address your criticism, just pretend you're making one of a handful of stock arguments, then respond with a stock counterargument.
This is fundamentally a cattle mindset.
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>>286224810
Remember, if someone says a show is shit, there is a very good chance they are a legit midwit.
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Frieren is the Naruto of the zoomer era.
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>>286225393
People on twitter pretend to be retarded because it gets engagement and thus money. What's your excuse?
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>>286225393
>2+2 shouldnt equal 5
>But it doent equal 5, it equals 4
>Why wont you address the criticism that it equals 5?
Retards are fascinating.
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>>286225903
>Still not addressing the criticism.
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>>286225922
>Still not getting paid to shitpost
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>>286225498
Or they could just have actual criticism.
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>>286225082
Frieren lost 11 times
You, for some incoherent reason, just ignore this
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>>286226808
Never shown on screen and never matters at any point in the story.
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>>286226808
>muh jankenpo
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>>286220330
that's only true if you lack inherent skill or talent
if you have it, you have it, if you don't, you don't, training and discipline can only refine what is within, not breed that which is innate
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>>286220330
>miraculously
pic unrelated?
She's been training her magic for centuries and knows a gorillion spells. Fucking troll post.
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>>286221100
She drilled Fern every day for like 10 years.
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>>286220330
you clearly didn't watch the show nor read the manga.
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>>286227684
That was Heiter.
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>>286220330
>>286220449
>and yet is miraculously the universe’s greatest warrior.
Unrelated. She has been aura farming (heh) for ~1000 years of her existence and it paid off. Aura was a teen in comparison and Frieren mogged her in the showdown of powerlevels. Serie is older than both and beyond any mage so far. This is clearly told to the audience, Flamme, Frieren and later Fern follow this philosophy of honing the basic magic skills through all their lives rather than special attacks.
Plus she's an intellectual of her world and has seen the history and research by herself. She lived in times where humans couldn't fly nor cover the zoltraak and she was there to adapt the new techniques while demons fell behind. Again, this was told on screen. Are you a speedwatcher?
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>>286226845
Holy goalpost changing batman!
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>>286220330
akshually she meditates to improve her mana maymay hiding erryday and she reads lots of books
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>>286229438
in a world ruled by energy work and specific ciphered spells and research yes it makes sense and living through centuries only gives you more advantage. It's like if /x/ things were real.
The real bullshit is in the current manga where young warriors fill the gap with just hit them fast bro
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>>286220330
>has no discipline in any domain
>posts a pic of Frieren
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>>286229381
Should have pubes.
No way would slob like Frieren shave.
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>>286229381
I want to pound her small tight defenseless anus.
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>>286220330
"Calm, like a duck, on the surface, but paddling like hell underneath" is the basic life advice to looking cool while successful. Well, outside of American culture anyway. You don't need to see someone's full effort to appreciate their talent.
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>>286229381
needs grey bush
and green nipples
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>>286220330
>hur duur you can't get anywhere without disciplone waaaaa
You can literally cost onto the education and environment you were given while never building any discipline for yourself or care about anything. That's how I learned piano and got a master in engineering.
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>>286220330
Take it easy.
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>>286220330
My favorite kind of character is one that is super serious. That's why I like Samurai Flamenco much more than that loser Himmel.
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>>286220330
Pic not related?
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>>286220497
>We've never seen her train.
Did you try watching the anime before making up stuff?
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>>286220497
Everything she does is canonically the result of a thousand years of training
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>>286229381
I ejaculated
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>>286220330
She gets excused because she's a cute waifu. I notice female mary sue's are never criticized for this while a male counterpart would be pegged as a male powerfantasy or self inserter immediately.
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>>286220330
Cool, and what does Frieren have to do with it?
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>>286220330
>I think my least favorite type of character is the one who takes nothing in their life seriously, has no discipline in any domain, and yet is miraculously the universe’s greatest warrior.
Yare yare daze
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>>286221821
based
>>286220330
urrr urrr how come we never see Rambo doing target practicing or doing flight simulators or hitting the chin-up bar all we see him doing is walking around like a bum and suddenly he’s all UUUAAAAAARRRGGGGHHHH and vietnambese and russians asplode around him (shits pants) i dun lije rbambo btw im gay
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>>286232447
kek
OP BTFO
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>>286232447
Rambo is based Frieren is cringe
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>>286220330
So, Luffy?
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>>286232447
We literally see Rambo training in the film lmao.
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>>286232663
Same with Frieren lmao
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>>286232711
Except we never see her training. It's all off screen.
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>>286232723
see
>>286223578
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>>286228174
>TOLD on screen
>Not SHOWN on screen
Are you finally getting the point now?
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I love Flamme.
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>>286232734
It's SHOWN in the anime you blind retard
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>>286232734
Yeah just ignore all the stuff with Flamme
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>>286232741
And she loves Frieren.
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>>286232777
That's Lewd anon.
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>>286232783
no, but this is
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>>286220330
She is listless and lackadaisical at times but she does take shit as serious as she can at times.
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>>286220529
Cute elf is cute.
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>>286224983
holy deflection. Any dumb criticism you make no matter how nonsensical is all equally valid and as valid as other criticism because "it's subjective". Top10 dumbest things I read today.
>inb4 n-no u wrong
My criticism is valid because it's subjective.
>286225393
Doing this is valid because it's subjective.
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>>286220449
She seems to care about magic itself a lot.
And about killing demons.
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>>286230138
elves naturally pubeless
in fact they don't grow facial hair or any hair except head, eyebrows, and eyelashes.
Fern shaves because she just assumes Frieren does and that it's weird not to.
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>>286232915
>half blood
>doesn't understand a true elf's behavior
keep coping round ear
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>>286232892
tugging my penis to the AI slop elf rn
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>>286233102
Fern shaves because that's the way Heitar liked it
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>>286221029
It's not the point of the story.
I don't want to defend frieren here, it has its flaws, but this is simply not true.
We even saw Frieren training Fern.
And we see her acquiring new magic spells all the time.
I guess you don't like those "brilliant but lazy" characters...
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>>286221941
still dont get the idea how tf she got the ice while no freezer on the room. :\
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>>286220330
>>286220497
I agree about these kinds of characters but that's not really true about Frieren, it shows us at points that she was a famous mage's apprentice and became strong long before the starting point of the manga.
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>>286220529
Frieren is a modern version of In Search of Lost Time.
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OP can eat shit, the powerful fool that wanders about oblivious to the power struggles and ambitions of driven men is the best kind of character there is.
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>>286220497
>We've never seen her train.
is this how you want to live, anon? go on the internet and tell lies?
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>>286220529
let me give you an explanation of frieren, frieeren seethe threads, and (You).
>school life CGDCT anime #2137
>nothing ever happens
>"dude this anime is so comfy i could watch it all day every day"
>low fantasy CGDCT + stark
>nothing ever happens
>"dude why is this show so *buzzword of the day*
and that's basically it
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>>286233429
K-on is also boring but it at least doesn't pretend to be something other than what it is
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>>286220529
It's completely barren and has nothing to say at all.
Fans of nip fantasy like it because it's derivative and predictable so it's safe to them.
The chudoid/xitter side of anime loves it because it doesn't have "subversive" elements like nuance and it's black and white Jews vs Aryans and shiet
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>>286233429
Both suck ass, what now?
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>>286233470
>what now?
nothing, i don't care what cunts on /a/ think about shows i watch. why should i? oh no, some anon on a northkorean welding forum doesn't like show X? woe is me!
>>286233448
cool story bro
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>>286233450
western normalfags and women like it because it doesn't have anything problematic like fanservice, age gaps, lolicons, incest bait etc
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>>286227607
>She's been training her magic for centuries and knows a gorillion spells
>only uses one of them
Truly the Naruto of our generation
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>>286229710
>in a world ruled by energy work and specific ciphered spells and research
LMAO, magic works by imagination after the very first arc because the author is a hack
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>>286233491
Pretty much, anyone can project whatever they feel like in it because it's so devoid of intent and meaning. If art is the communication between the artist and the observer, I struggle to see if they even wanted to communicate anything.
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>>286232447
Rambo is a shit movie
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>>286233429
Frieren wastes too much time on battle shonen shit to be considered "CGDCT + Stark"
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>>286220330
Pic unrelated
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>>286233604
>dude nothing happens in this anime
>yeah just like in dozens of other anime
>no that's not true
what the fuck are you trying to argue then? nothing happens, but something happens? is frieren some fucking schrodringer anime or what?
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>>286233757
I'm not one of those who complain about nothing happening, I complain about the battles and battle arcs. If anything Frieren has two types of arcs, arcs where "nothing happens" (this is the best part) and shitty battle shonen arcs
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>>286233989
understandable then
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>>286231439
>>286231429
HHHNNNGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>286220330
I love Frieren.
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>>286233102
Wrong, she has pubes.

https://files.catbox.moe/yi0n8z.jpg
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>>286233989
It's almost entirely held up because of the culture war shit surrounding the demons.
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>>286235388
>it'll be true the 300th time i say it
ok demon schizo
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>>286235430
I'm saying it because it is true. No one would give a shit about this empty and generic crap otherwise.
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>>286235434
The rambling gets more incoherent by the day
Every day you post >people only talk about the demons!! then you forget today you made a thread about the spellcasting.
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>>286232734
>what are flashbacks and backwards storytelling
>expecting a 1000 yo character to have all their life told from day one on screen
retard-kun?
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>>286231429
>hourglass figure
>barely any sag
>no cellulite
That's not Fern! It's obviously an imposter. She's not even holding any food.
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>>286235734
The flashbacks in Frieren are bad because they constantly interrupt the pacing.
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>>286233757
There's too many battles. Why the fuck does this series even have demon fights when it's all about Frieren's emotional recovery?
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>>286236975
It's a battle shounen
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>>286236199
that's your opinion but it doesn't make the complaint about a training arc any less retarded
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It's not even just frieren, it's most other characters in this show as well
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>>286237828
Is very nice from you to call anyone in this show a "character".
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>>286236975
>why did the author write the story that way
how the fuck would we know? go ask him or something
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>>286233757
It's because Frieren half asses everything. It's not fully commited to "le amazing worldbuilding" because the worldbuilding is just lazy as fuck. It doesn't commit to being "le comfy show" when every so often it has a battle shounen arc. It doesn't commit to being "le deep immortal learns to appreciate time" when the gimmick gets dropped episode 1. It doesn't commit to being a battle shounen because the power system is uninteresting and the fights are boring. It doesn't even commit to Himmel being dead, motherfucker has more screentime than some characters that are alive.
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>>286241070
Lol, based.
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>>286220330
The character is a veteran, expecting them to have the same arc as a greenhorn is just weird.
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I love how Frieren filtered millions of retards, it's beautiful.
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>>286220830
the Sunday Funnies posters on /co/ would eat you alive for comparing frieren to those.
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>>286242038
No no she is beautiful (you are too :) )
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>>286232366
at least guilty gear bothered to include an alternate version of sol that’s all about hard work and guts.
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>>286224983
Sounds like cope
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>>286225393
I don't address valid criticism, I agree with it but I like Frieren anyways
You get the stock counterargument because you're repeating the stock argument
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>>286232801
AI posters should kill themselves
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>>286235388
Just because that's what you care about doesn't mean that's what it is
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>>286244186
It is.
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>>286233429
>2137
wink wink
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>>286241070
Why do they have modern day food in a medieval fantasy setting?
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>>286248695
Frieren isn't a medieval setting.
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>>286220330
You're a fag, OP
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>>286248695
Cuz medieval food is disgusting.



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