Journalist thirsting for water
Vash you useless piece of shit just shoot somebody please
>>286234018Vash not being able to kill anyone always pissed me off
>>286234492Being a pacifist is okay but actively having no plan past that point is not
>>286233931Yup, Wolfwood death next week.
>>286236054>changed a bunch of stuff>couldnt change wolfwood's fate??
>>286236054>Didn’t get to bang Milly
>>286236379Milly will fuck his corpse like in that one Egyptian myth.
>Wait don't kill this guy who loves torture and will certainly go on to kill more people and shows zero remorse for killing unlike Puppet man and Hornfreak I'm sure he will be reformed even though he loved squishing 50 people into a small hole in a tanker
wolfwood will live in this remake
>>286236755Surely they smashed the source of his powers, right?
>>286234018plants are dumb so it makes sense
>>286236817Knives is the only idiot. Humanity wasn't far off from making more like him before he decided to crash and burn everything.
>>286234492>>286235445Why are you people even watching this, Vash is literally Jesus if he had a gun. That's the entire concept. I would complain more if Jesus killed people and broke his character because retards want him to.
>>286238002>Why are you people even watching thisbecause i like it>Vash is literally Jesus if he had a gunJesus is pacific, not a pacifist
>>286238590>Jesus is pacific, not a pacifistWhat's the difference?
>>286238002I'm only hate watching this but in this version they really made him extremely unlikeable.In the old version he was somewhat badass while still trying not to kill but here?An absolute trainwreck...
Love the parallel with shota Vash speaking to cold sleep humans in the ship.>>286238672He's like this in Maximum too though. The only difference is that most of the time Vash had to fight to survive at all or to defend someone. But in situations like last ep or this ep where his life isn't in danger and everybody he cares about is safe he is always gonna go full martyr. This "version" as you call it is just the original character.
>>286236379He didn't bang Milly in the manga either.
I burst out laughing
>>286233931To be honest Vash sounded like faggot in this episode. Perhaps i'm thinking too politically, but his quote "we must remember Tesla and not allow this to happen again", but in no case taking revenge it's just so patheticKnives defends own position much betterBut they are both insincere. Vash says we have to talk with people to save our sisters, but he's never tried to do that. He was more concerned about sexy women than about his sisters. Knives says people are killing our sisters, and then he kills 20 of his sisters himself to get stronger
Strong Milly
The only real alternative was offered by the Doctor. Create people who don't need Knives sistersAnother victory for the technocracy
>>286233931Give me one reason that Daddy Knives shouldn't win.
>>286236755Vash has spent is life finding the good in the worst people that Gunsmoke has to offer. Legato being such an absolute cunty monster is completely beyond anything else. Even Knives has more empathy for others than Legato does.
>>286239049>But in situations like last ep or this ep where his life isn't in danger and everybody he cares about is safeBut everyone he cares about wasn't safe, they were literally under siege and all of the plants onboard were at risk (and therefore everyone living there too)
I want to see Meryl's everything.
>>286238654Pacific is a way of doing things by peaceful meansPacifist is a someone who wont engage in conflict and wants peaceJesus acted peacefully most of the time but him throwing out merchants out of the temple was an act of just conflictAlso pushing legion of demons into a pig and making the demon pig kill itself by jumping of a cliffJesus preffered peaceful solutions but if cause was just he would engage in conflict
Knives is right here. Humanity views the plants as tools and independents like Nai or Vash as novelties.They'll never respect peaceful requests for better treatment of plants unless there's a threat of irresistible force.
>>286240329Vash seems to believe that you can teach humans to respect Plants and not treat them as disposable or merely resources, but really he's just living in a dream world, imo. I think the relationship between Plants and humans is just too toxic and one-sided for it to be fixed through understanding. There's no way Telsa was unique. She was just the one they knew about.
>>286240213>Pacifist is a someone who wont engage in conflict Weirdass definition. Pacifists engage in conflicts all the time. You just conflate engagement with the use of force. Protests and mlitantism are also forms of engagement. As is martyrdom.Also throwing merchants out of a temple is not a murder attempt anon, be serious.As for the pig it's not murder if the pig kills itself.
I am absolutely pro Knives Make Plants great again, save Plants, Plants first
Why would they let this serial mass murderer around children?
>>286241823Or this other serial mass murderer?
Wolfwood has just been hanging on the fucking ark for 5 months?
>>286242100He's watching his boyfriend closely. The impressive thing is really that Knives and co. didn't just kill him. I guess they're really that arrogant.
How did a girl on a desert planet grow this big?Who did she eat?
>>286242135That and I think Konrad would have flipped out if his allies started killing his creations.
>>286242204It's the opposite, her diet was so poor her period never came and never stopped her growth.
>>286242204Stargaze Milly owes me sex
GIVE NAI YOUR POWER ANONS
>>286239220He is a funny spastic.
While in Maximum it was clear Knives was conversing with plants who were very much alive, in Stargaze it honestly feels like he's running a death cult and monologuing at a bunch of corpses all day.
>>286243648He deserves to win. Fuck humans. Its a plant's world.
>>286243880This episode does make it abundantly clear that Knives is willing to throw all the plants under the bus to get his revenge
Has the dumb bimbo plant from Earth appeared yet? I was hoping to see Chronica soon but with each passing episode I fear they'll cut all of that out. They still have quite a lot of ideas to cover from Maximum
>>286240755Especially not as powerful as humanity has become. They've mastered interstellar travel and created the plants, sentient life forms, merely as terraforming tools. There is no way humanity with that level of technological mastery over the universe would be less arrogant than current humanity, and current humanity is plenty arrogant.
>>286244099Yeah, it makes it clear that for all his grandstanding he's just a megalomaniac satisfying his own desires.
>>286233931>Ugly 3D rendered animeI can't even give shit like this a chance
>>286244099>>286244291That's just wrong though. Knives' vision of the future doesn't start and end with his revenge. The death of his enemies is the condition to the creation of paradise for all plants, not something he does to feel better. Now you could probably make the argument that's bullshit and he's really doing all this for himself because he's traumatized and scared and hateful and whatnot and that's probably a bit true but the fact remains Knives' people are very much alive and oppressed, hence why his fight is legitimate.
>>286244593The issue is that it isn't like Knives can make more Plants easily. And he is absorbing them willingly in massive numbers. You need people alive to have a paradise.
>>286244489nobody asked
>>286239089Wait a minute I'm guess Wolfwood didn't bang Milly in the anime, was Milly being delusional?
>>286244620>The issue is that it isn't like Knives can make more Plants easilyYes he can. The supreme omega plant bussy of his brother is right here with him anon, waiting for his huge stamen. Moreover, Tesla, Knives; and Vash were literally born from plants who woke up one day and decided to reproduce sexually.
>>286244863As lewd as tortured Vash is, turning him into a breeding slave is not a solution to voring your entire race, Knives.
>>286245025Then why is it a viable solution in dozens of fanfics I read
>>286245104Because you’re a faggot
>>286238654He preaches peace but will grab the whip to drive out the money changers if he has to.
>>286244784Nah, they banged in the first anime. Episode 23
7 episodes of the worst build up ever, but I guess things will finally happen next episode, too bad this Wolfwood death will be as impactful as that one dude from the first season that was traveling with Meryl.
>>286243648Sorry I'm team Zazie
>>286242135The little girl can read minds, and Wolfwood didn't betray any of them; he just works for who ever can give him food.
>>286244863Vash does not have omega plant bussy. Knives was cattle prodding him to impregnate their sisters.
>>286239945>>286239852>Vash says we have to talk with people to save our sisters, but he's never tried to do that.The people at Home have been making live that can survive the planet. There aren't enough options to have debates over.
>>286247799Wolfwood tried to kill two of their agents and helped in the defeat of several other.
I don't agree with Vash's ideology concerning the plants. They are not obligated to live as mere batteries for another species and die as a result. That's sociopathic thinking.
>>286249441Yeah, but the plan was for him to fight their agents so that he could lead Vash to July. After that he's been bumming around city to city because they've been taking plants; and he eventually found himself back in Vash's company.
>>286249490Vash would sacrifice himself to save a single human, therefore he believes that other Plants should be willing to work for humans to save thousands of them. With the hope that at least he can convince humans to be nice to the Plants and not just abuse them totally. It is honestly a pretty hard view to justify given that he's asking of others something that only he personally is confirmed to be willing to give.
>>286239220>"Tri" in name>Wields three gunsHas the series title been referring to him all along?
>>286249674Try Again.
>>286249674Can't be, each of those crosses are actually two guns.
>>286249612Sure, but I'm referring to afterwards. Where he helped Vash fight Livio, the Puppeteer, the Sax Man, and the Robot at the very least. Hard to not just eviscerate him on sight. Of course they're all super cocky because Daddy Knives is back so who cares about a worm like Wolfwood. But any reasonable person would have killed him for fighting against them.
>>286249667>Vash would sacrifice himself to save a single human, therefore he believes that other Plants should be willing to work for humans to save thousands of themhe's really insane....
>Leonof is good now.>Midvalley is good now.>Elendira already having doubts about Knives.I'm not sure I like the direction of the Gung-Ho Guns being given the Naruto villain treatment.
>>286249776>But any reasonable person would have killed him for fighting against them.Wolfwood did say that they're all of their rockers.
>You're trying to do everything possible to save your sisters>They're finally saved, and even Vash on your side>Some human survive, but Vash convinces you to give these idiots a chance>Your sisters start to disagree with you, just like Vash did>Finally, most of them turn out to be "good" and leave with Vash>There are only a few evil bitches left with you, they just like you>Vash is building a new society with your sisters and humans>Your sisters, for whom you sacrificed everything, hate you because you're "bad" and you killing humans>Some of them really wanted to sacrifice themselves for the sake of humans >Your sisters start fucking with humans >You're destroyed, it's over
>>286250185Is there anything more cucked than being a race warrior?
>>286250185Most plants can't survive outside of their giant test tubes anyway. Telsa was dissected to to try to make more like them, but then Knives crashed the ship. Both Home and the doctor found ways to make life that can survive without plants, but then Knives is trying kill them off anyway.
>>286249878I FUCKING hate it.
>>286250185w*men are the same, in every species
>>286250402If Home's plan works, they'll survive the Knives Armageddon. If not, they were liars.
>>286240329Knives is killing plants en masse and has yet to speak to the independents on the Earth fleet.
>>286242204How is this a question? She eats worms. Big ones.
Rai-Dei the Blade? Dominique the Cyclops? I have no idea who those niggas are either.
>>286246506>Nah, they banged in the first anime.Did Nightow hinted I'm still not convinced.
>>286253824Go rewatch the episode. It's very implied that they did.
>>286239220I love him already
>>286241823>>286241858Them being put on Daycare duty was cute.
>>286243509They liked this shot
>>286243509New Bluesummers has been looking very weak, original anime Legato was terrifying
>>286254106He got some terror points crushing a bunch of people into that truck, but they’ve been showing more of his crazy side than his calm side in this.
>>286239220Huh he’s actually pretty spot on in the looks.
>>286254162
>>286254106Nu-Legato acts like your typical uppity minion who isn't really respected by anyone and gets his shit pushed due to his cockiness. He's lame. He's not even like Manga Legato who managed to be creepy and insane.
He does deserve another chance, despite his kill count.
>>286254162I know it’s just abbreviated, but is the Trip of Death a better name than the Tri Punisher of Death?
>>286254153>He got some terror points crushing a bunch of people into that truckLegato already did something like that in the manga.
>>286244193>Lina got retconned despite making an on-screen appearance>Chronica just got a voice-overI'm not going to jump to conclusions, but it hadn't occurred to me how easily she could be dropped if they chose to do so.
>>286240329>>286240755The ideological conflict between Vash and Knives is basically just Nightow's version of the conflict between Amuro and Char in CCA
>>286238654He used the words wrong. Pacifist is someone who can deal great violence but tends not to; pacific is a peaceful person.
>>286253809They'll be fights for Leonof and Midvalley to show their change.
>>286254813That sounds way too based to happen.
>>286254750It's more the age old Rousseau vs Hobbes. Vash believes once everyone gets the chance to talk properly they'll put down their guns and work together. Knives thinks everyone is out for themselves and not doing the utmost to protect your own interests will only open you up to harm so that justifies him to do whatever he can out in the wild world to ensure the best for himself and his people. Both recognize the tragedy that happens to get to a better future but neither can accept the costs the other proposes. It's why these talks they have always ends up being so heartbreaking, neither wants to the other to suffer for their mistakes but neither can accept their views and they both take theirs to the extremes.
>>286244593That might be how the manga paints him, but this episode made just painted Knives as an emotional manchild Had no real retort to Vash's cycle of violence and just yelled about "wanting to get even" and then started absorbing plants en masse while his underling started questioning how much he actually cares about the other plants
>>286254301It says tri-p not trip
>>286256182its a reversal of their clash in the first season where Vash had no real retort to Knives except "I'll just...run away, and come back later when they've forgotten about me :D"
>>286256351Why would he need a better retort though, he's right. That's the best he can hope for and he's fine with that. And it's heartbreaking.
>>286236054Might have to actually watch itI forgot a New Trigun was being made at all
>>286253208Yeah, that is his issue. He's identified the problem, but lacks the empathy to handle it without becoming megalomaniacal.
>>286256182Getting even is a reasonable reply to the cycle of violence question. But Knives eating all his siblings to get more power is just showing that he's ultimately unable to care for others in a true way at this point. He instead sees himself as their dictator and is willing to 'expend' them, for his needs.
