Why did sci-fi anime/manga die out?
>>286241117It didn't.
>>286241117because it became clear we do not have a future
>Hero MaskDamn... that brings back memories. That was a fun ride until the trainwreck ending, as Netflix anime always somehow run afoul of.
>>286241117It did not.
>>286241117Trigun is literally airing right now.
>>286241713>reboot prequelIf sci-fi is just regurgitated ideas from nearly 3 decades ago then the genre is dead. Which it is, so it is.
>>286241117>TrigunwhatNone of that is sci-fiIf that counts then let's call DBZ sci-fi
>>286241117>Eureka Seven aired 20 years agohuh?!
>>286242229DBZ is sci-fi.
>>286241117>when times good - scifi works>when times bad - fantasy worksOr something like that is what I keep hearing
This is the face of sci-fi in 2026. It's never been stronger.
I will forever regret missing my chance at getting Anemone's VA to sign my E7 BD box
>>286241117Now this is sci-fi
>>286241117Sci fi is rooted in the future and different possibilities. Back then technology was an exciting prospect. It was something new and the possibilities were endless. Now that we have advanced technology the novelty wore off. In fact our lives are worse off because of it, just look at AI. Also, if sci fi isnt a fantastical wonderland its usually an apocalypic hell scape and irl is becoming way too much like the latter.
>>286241150FPBPwhy is this thread still up
>>286247124So true!
>>286241117>OrangeSome random science teacher giving a lecture of time travel in a high school classroom for whatever retarded convenient reason does not make it SciFi.
The future isn't exciting. We know Mecha and space flight isn't happening. Tech used to be some kind of new gadget. Now tech is software that tells an Indian guy to bring cold McDonald's to your house.
>>286247124>>286247415I have been told a saying from nearly 30 years ago. “We will have the Holodeck and never the Enterprise”. That in of itself is a hell worse than any cataclysm.
>>286242229>then let's call DBZ sci-fiDBZ isn't sci fi? They have time machines.
>>286241117Harder to write than isekai.
>>286242229>future technology>space travel>extraterrestrialsDBZ is genuinely sci-fi
>>286241117Sci-fi is simply a shit genre, the two worst anime of this season are both sci-fi, and that says a lot.
>>286250982A long time ago a guy told me the holodeck was the most unrealistic part of Star Trek, because once it was invented nobody would bother to create anything else.I'm pretty sure he was right.
>>286241150>>286241675What's good these days then? Besides trigun that was already mentioned
>>286254628Look no further >>286242489
>>286254548Doesn't that make it the most realistic part?
>>286241391>>286247124>>286247827This is fucking retarded. You go to sci-fi for novelty because you're bored with reality, the bearing of real world progress has little to no meaning to that, otherwise why engage in fiction at all rather than reality?
>>286255041Sounds like Yoda
>>286241117You used to go on the internet to escape reality. Now you go outside to escape the internet.
>>286241117Sick of netfux's tramp stamp.
>>286241117stealth rec thread
>>286255041speak for yourself. I engage with fiction because I have only one life to live and fiction is a way to explore what its like to be other people, in other places, in other times, and in other worlds. It's not reality I get bored of, just how narrow a slice of it I get to live
>>286253869>t. still mad and seething that SCI-FI lost the war and didn't take off and fantasy didStar Wars is tripe. If "sci-fi took off as isekai" in the same ways it's obvious that most of the works would be low-quality. It'd all based on Star Wars and the protagonist is a battle haremchad with a lightsaber spouting technobabble like it's a form of cultivation or some trope like "gang in a spaceship" would be done to death. isekai + sci-fi exists btw>gang in a spaceship>Demon King -> Evil Empire Sith Guy>the rebellion is actually evil subversionWe'd all complain about those instead and that's not even a given. Sci-fitards lack so much self-awareness they might eat it up.
>>286256155>being so brainrotted you think every interaction is about Us vs Them by default
>>286255041>the bearing of real world progress has little to no meaning to thatWhy do you think sci-fi made in the 60s and 70s had such a consistent through line of psychics and ESP lmao. Sci-fi has always been an extrapolation of 'today'
>>286255914The society lives in us
>>286244536Galaxy Fraulein Yuna post on /ayy/ in 2026...
>>286254024in sci-fi, usually technology is used to solve a problem or dilemma. or the dilemma itself is technological.in dbz, they solve problems by punching and kicking, and the dilemmas are things that punch and kick harder.
Japanese scifi is quite mediocre compared to what the west produces in scifi.
>>286255041sci-fi was always born of a yearning for the world to become like the fictional stories, it was optimisticnow that it's clear we ruined the world beyond repair and the optimism is gone, it has caused a boom in violent media
>>286257540>>286257506fake and self-deceitfrom the dawn of speculative fiction, most scifi has been about science going too far and ruining everything
>>286241117>Why did sci-fi anime/manga die out?Much harder to make.You need to actually think about technologies and society.But fantasy or even isekai shit? Just copypaste tropes, no one expect logic, no one even expect a plot anymore.
>>286257506the entire story exists because of technology (Dragon Radar invented by Bulma)
>>286260011Well I don't know about where you're from but in Soviet Union low quality cliche-ridden sci-fi was so prominent people made fun of it the same way they do with modern isekai. See the "time travel" chapters in Strugatsky brothers' Monday Begins on Saturday or Nikita Bogoslovsky's "For you, science fiction writers" (MTL'd picrel) for examples of such parodies.
>>286241117>people lost trust in the future>economic depression>scientifc stagnation>state enforced scientism has cut short people patience and good will>cv19 scam>climate science scam>disparaging of some fringe sciences worked too well so nobody tries to even grand-theorycraft things beyond current pop-scientific understandingIt's just an era where scifi just can't trive
>>286260424Says a lot about our society.
>>286256155Different anon, but I'm totally with >>286256251 about how worrying your "Us vs Them" mindset is.You don't even realize that by applying your own logic, Starwars would therefore be a long DEAD genre that never get any budget anymore.I don't have any love for Starwarts because it is overdone & overrated, but from a pure economical mindset it would still lose against "isekai" except even less inspired by good SF.>or some trope like "gang in a spaceship" would be done to death....with even inferior quality than what SW is.>gang in a spaceshipthe spaceship would be so retarded and uninspired the author wouldn't even care about opening doors unto the vacuum because they would mock "sci-fitard" for caring about realism.>Demon King -> Evil Empire Sith GuyAs if they would have that sophistication. The "Siith" would become an actual mustache twirling villain, and forget Darth Maul, they would copypaste demon/orcs a bazillion time>the rebellion is actually evil subversionAre you implying that subversion or not following trope is bad? That's not why we shit on Isekai, we shit on it because they would write it in the laziest way ever imagined.>isekai + sci-fi exists btwYeah, yeah, about that...The first isekai I can think of is literally Elite-Dangerous copypasta plus a harem.Now imagine Elite Dangerous never existed because the SF situation is worse than it is today and Elite:D would be considered "sci-fitard".And so that brand of isekai wouldn't exist.Sci-fi is still harder to write. You are just a dumbass for acting like its interchangeable.
>>286247124scifi also requires a greater understanding of reality to write than literary fiction. the most prominent authors were people who had a clear perspective on some facet of the natural laws of the universe, could see where we were in an arc, understood the limitations and challenges in a practical way, and thought a little further ahead. given x then how might y?i separate scifi from cyberpunk, which is speculative social fiction. there are ideas there, but they tend center around humans, society, and government more than an exploration of the application of any actual scientific principles.anime scifi tends to be more like cyberpunk, socially focused techno fantasy in a scifi landscape without interest in the underlying mechanics of our physical universe.
>>286260170If your pic is representative of anything, I have no doubt the modern-isekai-spam would rise to the challenge ...of doing even lesser quality than that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_Begins_on_SaturdayI never doubted that 99% of works of art are shit and we only idolize the 1% that make it through the filters, still not a reason to encourage lowering the bar further by copypasting a set of "isekai tropes" out of memetic conditioning.
>>286260917>i separate scifi from cyberpunk, which is speculative social fiction.Eh, nowadays cyberpunk is becoming so retro. We'll need a new name for cyberpunk that can no longer pretend to be in the future.
>>286261430true that it's dated. also reminds me of when harlan ellison walked out of that interview when he was called a "scifi" writeryoutube.com/watch?v=7lax0g5d6gM
>>286261430cyberbraincrack
>>286261633continuing that thought - but that it can be revitalized. i remember when 'cyber' referred only to virtual reality, so it's got this deep connotation with software and computerized worlds in my mind, where the rules of the universe are only constrained by human thought and effort, which is very isekai, especially under litRPG. how many have a 'system' that's a highly advanced simulation, governed by an administrator that's indistinguishable from god to the people within it?so i think scifi isn't really an apt title for a lot of things, but that when someone is labeling for marketing and productization, that they're realistic in realizing that they're not going to upturn forty years of mindshare because they alone tried to get it right.
