I wasn't ready for deredere Asuka, truth be told
>>286312424Cute. I will buy another asuka figurine
>>286312424what a soulless artstyle. evafags probably have brain damage if they like this shit.
>>286312424>discount Tohsaka RinGrow up and move on, manchild.
>>286312424out of character crap
>>286312424how does this all happen just for her to reject shinji at the endwhat is the point of it all, I will never understand women
I get the feeling that Evangelion fans will just consume anything, forevermore.
>>286312952Because she doesn't reject Shinji, she rejects the fantasy of having a relationship and a lifetime together handed to her with no struggle or hardship, in a world without evas
>>286313004>I could be happy but where's the DRAMAWoman moment.
>>286313003how can you say this when dragon ball, pokemon, gundam, and others have damn near yearly releases while eva has had two noteworthy iterations in 30 years
>>286313143>but what about Irrelevant. They are like that too.
>>286312551rhinocucks LMAO
Why did she try to kill shinji WTF?
>>286313031We must imagine Sisyphus happy.>>286313523I mean, who wouldn't?
>>286312452Make sure its Soryu!
You couldn't pay me enough to care about eva in 2026.
Asushin won
>>286313523It was an accident, immediately afterwards she was very concerned for him.
Bad fanfiction. Kinda nice to see Anno get shit on though.
>>286314512For what?
>>286314572Anon got trolled by Anno
>>286312424She's just being repurposed for today's sensibilities. The classic tsundere archetype is too jarring for zoomers.
>>286313003>I get the feeling that [popular series] fans will just consume anything, forevermore.Bro, Toei is ready to adapt the DBS manga. Battle of the Gods will be retold for the THIRD time ffs. And people will STILL EAT IT.
>>286312424Hmm… I did think Shinji going off the cliff was funny.
>>286312424Asuka remains one of the few good tsunderes
>>286312952I think the real actual point is that anno is telling her fans to appreciate Asuka as she is in the story, not just rely on her speculative relation to a schoolboy. What makes Asuka great is that she’s this chaotic, fiery tornado of a girl who fucks things up in a red robot. We shouldn’t worry about her happiness because she’ll find an ending of her own making. But yes, she is also confirmed to love shinji without ambiguity so that will likely be a part of her pursuit.
>>286314742It's funny because that's the cliff were he was contemplating suicide in episode 4.
>>286314979She got better.
>>286314956
>>286314956There's a kot of random easter eggs, like this short using the same title as the ep27 from the original pitch
>>286314956Well to be fair it's not the real cliff, it's a copy of it in instrumentality created by memory.
>>286314956>no gf vs cute redhead gfwhy even live if you're like on the left?
anywhere i can watch the full thing subbed?
>>286312952>I will never understand womenThat's obvious, because she clearly didn't reject him.
>>286314918Anon, as she opens up about finding her happiness she immediately thinks of Shinji and starts going tsun about shinji the entire time.The whole point is her accepting by the end that ending up with Shinji in EoE does make her happy.
>>286315041Made me think of this
>>286312952Miserykino
>>286312551Based besides the manchild statement
>>286312952They were really hyping this shit up so I almost go excited, but watching it ended up being such a nothingburger. Oh wow, Soryu likes Shinji. What a twist? I already fucking knew that.
>>286312952She didn’t reject Shinji, she rejected a rebuild style ending where characters get handed everything for free.
>>286312952BPDemon moment
>>286315089I don’t disagree. I’m just saying that’s not ALL there is to her.
>>286315185Apparently, tons of people didn't know that
>>286315185It's nice to get confirmation from the author though
>>286315185Anon there have been people denying the truth for decades.
>>286312424yall always post these fantasies but never her rejecting all this crap lolyou guys dont actually like asuka at all you just selfinsert as shinji and want her as onahole
>>286315095>marry and reproduce, and leave me aloneVillains who say this are kino, regardless of their ultimate demise.
>>286312424>all those empty seats
>>286312424cute and canon.
>>286315259>rejectingBecause fantasy was not enough, she wants it for real.You don't actually like asuka at all. You just selfinsert as her and want her as your power fantasy doll.
>>286315195Yeah, right after Anno patted himself on the back by having her say that the way Shinji and Mari got together in Rebuildslop world was something nice...Like I'm proud of Asuka for choosing her doomed, fucked up world over just jumping into a dream and all, but unlike Mari she has to go to an empty beach with a murderous Shinji having a psyschotic incel episode, instead of being with the chad Shinji from the end of Rebuild who basically finally grew up into an adult. Can't help but feel Anno is still giving her the short end of the stick after all these years.
>>286315355Asuka didn’t get handed the short end of the stick. She got handed more responsibility (and so did EoE Shinji). There’s no problem with her ending.
>>286315419Well at the very least I'm happy you feel good about it, I wish I did too.
Rebuilds are basically the anime version of Star Wars sequel trilogy. Same disjointed and poorly paced films that look like they're each from a different saga, same abundance of minor plotlines that go absolutely nowhere, same elements of worldbuilding that are shown briefly only to be abandoned later, same asspull ending
>>286315452Had they confirmed anything farther than they did, it would negatively impact the final scene in EoE. I think Anno aced it.
>>286315185first time ive seen someone call her by soryu
>>286315355She’ll handle him.
>>286312424*Ahem*Asuka Langley Souryu got wet with "A world without Evas" CHADji. That marriage sequence was for him. So BITCHji would never ever be this based.>B-butI won't read any headcanon :^)>B-but Kensukeschiz-I don't have any K shit saved. You lost. EoEfags can continue choking little girls at the red sea while crying. RebuildCHADs will make them wet and wishing for marriage. Don't forget. HopeCHADs always win Baby. LMAO.
>Asuka actually loves ShinjiCute
>>286315259That's every evangelion shipper.
>>286315690This is an absolutely insane pivot to salvage your shitpost agenda, dude
>>286315690That's not Rebuild Shinji, it's like a totally random Eva world idealized Shinji (you can tell by the uniform and station). You can also tell because they put Asuka into Rebuildland in Shinji's place right before this, and she leaves it for this other world. She's being offered an idealized version of her own past, but without Eva.
>>286315690Absolutely embarrassing and pathetic cope.She rejected rebuild Shinji for EoE Shinji btw
>>286315690Just take the L bro, even you probably don't want to waste more time on thisJust move on
>>286315690Soryu loves her Shinji so much she rejected an idealized version of him. You should too.
>>286315690You lost bigly
>All those SEETHING repliesI won't read them. Cope in silence. I already WON. RebuildCHAD OUT.
>>286315905You are the one coping refusing to give up.
>Episode 27
>>286315905If it were Rebuild Shinji he would have the choker. She's imagining her perfect life with an ideal dream version of EOE SHINJI, in an ideal dream of HER OWN WORLD, like she said. She doesn't even know who Rebuild Shinji is nor does he know her. She's not imagining her life with a totally random incarnation of Shinji that she never met.
>>286315905>he ran awayConcession accepted.
>>286315927This confirms concurrency theory as well.
Ah, fuck. I just realized that resurrecting Evangelion means the Shinjibowl is open again. God fucking damnit, man, we had buried the hatchets already.
>>286315185That actually was under debate. Somehow it was, despite it all.
>>286316124Kaworu routeHappeningFor realShinji will man up and finally fuck him
>>286312952Because it's actually headcanon bullshit.
>>286316124I mean THE bowl was closed with EoE (and undeniable with the 30th anniversary short) but sure another spinoff bowl could be happening.
>>286316152>Episode 27
>>286316124>Shinjibowl>but every creator is old and married so they yearn for that time when work and a relationship didn't tie them downNope, EoE it still the end of this franchise for me. Code Geass and FuriKuri both made this same mistake.
>Shikinami didn’t mention Kensuke ONCE in episode 27Brutal
>>286315317wtf lol
>>286316146I thought it was cute that both Asukas admonished Kaworu for failing to make Shinji happy.
>>286315858Shinji literally did this same thing in EoE when he woke up in that world with a happy father and mother, Asuka waking him up to go to school, not to mention Misato being his hot teacher he lists over same as his friends. He rejected all that too because he knew it was bullshit. It's the same as The Truman Show.
>>286316260Niervangelion will be about Kaworu looping around to make Shinji happy in increasingly yandere ways
>>286316294And finally shinji bitchslaps him for never taking the chance to be happy himself?
>>286316273Exactly. Through this short Anno articulates that Rebuild is not a replacement for the original message, but an “on the other hand”. I’m happy that he took an NGE character and rather than have her go the path of Rebuild, she sticks to the guns of the original and chooses to live in her reality. EoE was preserved and given its flowers as we exit the Rebuild era of the franchise.
>>286316343The problem is he split the fanbase so they can now endlessly argue which universe is the better written one. I can't be an NGE fan anymore with Rebuild fans jumping into my threads, my videos, my discussions to say how much better they are for daring to be less bleak.
>>286316392That’s on them. Rebuild is Rebuild and NGE+EoE is NGE+EoE. They’ve been freed from each other.
>>286316392They can prefer the salaryman ending if they want. I agree with Soryu.
>>286312424Cringe
>>286316294I’ve never been a big Kaworuhead but this is one thing that Rebuild actually did to contribute to my enjoyment of one of the characters. Confirming that Kaworu exists in all possible worlds with Shinji and Rei in them is really cool.>>286316318This would be the best way to resolve Kaworu.
>malding so hard you’ve been reduced to silently spamming merch of the winnerGrim
>he's now spamming this cringe
>>286316459>I agree with Soryu.This.
Are they trying to increase birth rates or make women seem like half-human? What's going on?
>>286316781It’s cute. Asuka would be awkward in a relationship.
>>286316815The funniest one
>>286316862>>286316781In a world without Evas, she would probably be a happy tsundere
>>286317823Oh she would be.But she wouldn’t be Asuka Langley Soryu. She wants to he herself, and she believes in herself enough to find happiness through struggle in a world “with eva”. It’s the moment she understands that she is Evangelion.
>>286312551Eva predates Fate by almost 10 years
>>286313917>I mean, who wouldn't?Every version of adult Shinji is a tall guy who is normal and well-adjusted. He height mogs both Mari and Asuka, and Gendo is a ~6'3" man who height mogs Kaji. Asuka knows what she wants.
>>286314956>It's funny because that's the cliff were he was contemplating suicide in episode 4.
>>286317823So the first part of angelic days?
>>286315905>>286315690>/dbs/ shitposting in my EVA threadsReally? Also, every Shinji is a Chad. >INCELjiEOE Shinji, aka ORIGINAL SHINJI, won the hardest. Shinji and Asuka eventually calm down after the mindfuck of EOE and are hapily living together. The symbolism in the 30th anniversary special is that Asuka would accept living in reality with Shinji instead of a happy, yet fake one. In other words, she would take pic related over an illusion. Also, EOE Shinji gets to fuck the hottest and most genuine version of Asuka. He won. He won bigly btw.
>>286316392>The problem is he split the fanbase so they can now endlessly argue which universe is the better written one.Who the fuck is arguing Rebuild is better than the original? Most people agree the original is better. Even people who like Rebuild still like the original. Nobody gives a fuck about the fringe minority who loves Rebuild and hates OG. There is no fanbase split.
>>286315690>The short literally begins with both Asukas confirming they're from different timelines. Soryu's fantasy is with HER Shinji (in his '90s uniform, pre-Eva). Not your Rebuild CHADji. She rejects it to return to HER reality. Try again. Anno literally made this short to explicitly state that Asuka loves Shinji (AGAIN, and vice versa) so even the retards fans would finally get it. And yet, here you are. There's no way, nigga. Some people with low iq really shouldn't watch anime. Pathetic
>>286318240He doesn’t even really believe what he’s saying, it’s just extreme copium masked under a layer of trolling.
>>286315041Bro absorbed guidebook insight about everywhere he used to sulk and roam like a living ghost, it's as good as location scouting. Bank your negative energy and convert later.
>>286316124>ShinjibowlThat will be a different character. The Shinjibowl ended with Asuka winning in EOE. The Shinjibowl has been over for 28 years. Since the new series will be by Yoko Taro, it makes more sense to treat him as a new character. And going by Taro's history with protagonists, nu-Shinji will be a very angry boy, so I don't see Asuka winning the nu-Shinjibowl.
>>286318293My favorite shinji ship is Asushin but it would be boring if she wins again. Might as well go crazy with it and try something else.
>>286318172>EOE Shinji gets to fuck the hottest and most genuine version of Asukabased, post-EoE Asuka would be an extremely cynical, sincere and honest bitch, and at the same time, the one who would show the most affection to Shinji, not to mention her fucking design, her body completely covered in scars, and all the fucking events she went through just to keep living on earth. What I wouldn't give to have seen Shinji and Asuka's life after EoE, at least in a movie, until they finally accept each other or some shit like that
>>286312424I can't believe they're still milking this shit after 30 years.
>>286318427Not even close to the most milked.
>>286315095huh that style is familiar, is that Akimaki Yuu?
>>286317966Yes, but that genki girl from the OPs webm sure as shit isn't Asuka but some cartoonish OOC skinwalker.
>>286318757You’ve never interpreted Asuka correctly, sorry
>>286318757Did you watch the short?
I'm open to EVA going the Gundam route instesd of rehashing and remaking the OG. It lets Shinji and his friends rest without devaluing the original series + EOE. Anno probably had a moment of clarity where he realized that Evangelion is as big as the series he loved and that it doesn't need him. New AUs where creators can take risks with the aesthetic of EVA is exciting especially when Gundam isn't what it used to be. The organic-mechanical designs of Evangelion are too good to be left to rot. But I wonder if some mad man will make an EVA equivalent of pic related.
>>286318818No, after shitbuilds I decided to leave eva behind, like Anno wanted.
>>286318854Ok well then you don’t know what you’re talking about.
>>286318848>I'm open to EVA going the Gundam route instesd of rehashing and remaking the OGThat's almost impossible. Eva's characters are central to its worldbuilding. If anything it will continue to go the "code geass" route.
>>286318848I hope to see the G Gundam equivalent of Eva.
>>286318848I’m willing to be surprised but I can’t imagine Eva functioning without the cast. They are the appeal. Tweak them, fine, but a new cast? Unlikely to work.
>>286318899The characters themselves aren't central to anything, character-driven writing is. That was the secret to Evangelion.
>>286318919>E Evangelion>Shinji and Gendo have a fully animated fistfightYou rike?
>>286319006Yes. Gimmie hotblood and manly spirit
>Rei got a whole movie dedicated to her own character >Asuka got 10 minutes special with her being a schizo for Shinji It took 30 years but i am glad the debate is over.
>>286318757
>>286316185Yes, and? Asuka's headcanon bullshit is still headcanon bullshit.
>>286319641Soryu’s dream is Soryu’s canonical goal that she swears to achieve.Cope.
>>286312551rhinocucks are still struggling to accept reality i see
>>286319296Yep, Asushin won the original timeline. Reishin should have won the rebuild timeline but Anno went with poochie instead.
>>286317823We already had a 3dpd casual asuka, years ago. She was Toji's girlfriend btw.https://archive.org/details/evangelion-episode-26-live-action-cut/EOE+Cut+Live+Action+Sequence.mkv
>>286319672She literally chose something completely different. Cope indeed.
>>286313004>she rejects the fantasy of having a relationship and a lifetime together handed to her with no struggle or hardship, in a world without evasSo what Shinji did with Mary? I don't get what Anno is trying to say here. That happiness is different for different people?
>>286319878Nope, not at all her decision to fight for her happiness was made immediately after defining what her happiness is.Cope.
>>286318427But enough about One Piece.
>>286319963He’s making a point that both NGE and Rebuild can co-exist as separate but equal. Rebuild characters find happiness by literally ripping themselves away from their own franchise and going off to be free in a world without Evangelion. Instead of having an NGE character follow the same philosophy, Soryu rejects a future where she is separated from Evangelion. She realizes the truth, that as an OG character, she IS Evangelion. There is no her without her reality.
>>286319988Asuka rejects a fantasy that's never happening for something else. She basically rejects Shinji/Anno to become the eternal entertainer/bitch/thing/fantasy of her fans. Instead of seeking validation from Shinji, she's seeking validation from the audience now.
>>286320291Intentionally bad faith readings of the short are not my concern. She has defined her happiness, and then swears to fight for a world where that happiness can exist in her reality.Run from it, that’s the truth.
>>286319963>>286320066Anno has tried to make the same ending three times now, and each attempt tackles the lesson in a different way. Accepting reality in EoE refers to an in-universe definition of reality. This means reality as the 2D realm that they were born into, struggled in, and nearly lost. In Rebuild, reality is understood in a meta-aware context. This means, by the end, the characters acknowledge that “Evangelion’s reality” is a fictional story, one that is destined to be retold again and again (like it is in our world) and that they can transcend beyond the story and escape to a higher meta reality like ours (3D).This short deals with a very interesting proposition, what happens when a character from NGE gets the same offer afforded to the characters in Rebuild? The answer is NGE will behave as NGE should. Rebuild is not a replacement, or “the right path”, it’s simply one way of getting that ending.The Rebuild characters can only transcend beyond their narrative because they aren’t the originals, by being new versions, they aren’t fundamentally “Evangelion”, so they can escape “Evangelion”. The OG cast is definitionally “Evangelion”, so their reality will always be “Evangelion”.Soryu’s arc over the short walks the audience through step by step that EoE doesn’t need to be seen as an ending without hope. That happiness can exist there too. It’s a final wrap up of Anno’s Evangelions (in their totality), and a classy one at that.
>>286312424
>>286320357Asuka rejects a fantasy world where Shinji is not what he actually is the canon one, she cannot fight to make that fantasy happen because it's all bullshit in the first place, which is why she drops it. Her final decision is to remain what she is and to please to the audience by performing the role they expect her to perform.
>>286312424>30 years later we suddenly get a short featuring the REAL Asuka resolving her EoE endingI genuinely can't believe this, it feels surreal. So many theories and debates about the interpretation of her final words and her feelings for Shinji and Anno just gifts us this absolute gem and sets everything straight. Insane. He knew this whole time what the fans wanted.
>>286320867Wrong. Both her and Shinji are interested in each other “that way” and this short is meant to spoonfeed retards like you who have no hope for them in the end (you should have understood what the caress of his cheek meant).Ironically you are forcing an interpretation against her wishes and her character because you want her to perform as the girlfailure you want her to be, doomed to exist as a static and broken person with no future.
>>286312424How many perished before they were given the chance to see this?
>>286320955I went in expecting nothing from the short and was gifted something extremely consequential and rewarding. The people who correctly interpreted EoE as hopeful were validated. It was a very kind way to say goodbye to NGE and Soryu.
>>286313004She explicity rejects Shinji and tying her happiness to him.
>>286320971This short is literally Anno reducing Asuka to a pure fanservice entity, she's not longer intended to be a complex character, she's intended to be a waifu. The whole fantasy thing is meant to tell the audience that this is all there is to it, it's a fantasy, it's not happening, but now, Asuka can finally dump chasing Shinji (Anno) to become a full blown audience whore/generic anime girl.
>>286321052She explicitly rejects a fantasy where she can be with Shinji without her reality. She refuses to be given her happiness and asserts that she wants to fight in her world for that happiness herself.
>>286320554Sexy
>>286321064Nope, literally the opposite again.This short is Anno having Asuka herself refuse to be a fanservice entity that is handed everything she wants and we want for her, and to double down on her established character, as a fighter willing to struggle for a happy tomorrow herself. Fuck Anno, fuck the rebuilds, fuck the audience, I will be happy for real because I did it! That is Soryu’s path.
>>286321064No. It's pretty straightforward.>Ugh, okay I end up with baka Shinji, but can it be at least a happier end without bleakness of post-instrumentality Earth?>Yeah, here's an alternative, a world without Eva where we can live freely without any bleakness, Asuka!>That's a lovely world and I like it, but ultimately it's a fantasy. I mustn't run away. Thanks Shinji, it's okay, I can live in our reality and be happy. It can be hard, but it's real.And thus Asuka accepts herself ending up with baka Shinji in the post-EoE reality instead of the Eva-less fantasy.
>>286319771No, I have accepted reality. Saber has a lock on Redman's heart. Asuka is the superior tsun. Asukabros have MASTERED me. Whenever I see Saber, I kneel because she won. Whenever I see Asuka, I kneel because she won. Whenever I see Shinji, I kneel because the love for his tsun has surpassed space, time and reality. Whenever I see Anno, I kneel because he is the MASTER and Nasu is a lowly STUDENT. CONGRATULATIONS, YOU WON!
I like the shots where her hair color is pushed more to the old cel paint color.
>>286321190It’s funny that by the end of EoE Soryu has accepted Shinji, and isn’t even embarrassed that she likes him, or tries to deny it. Her focus is just on avoiding Post-3I Earth, until she realizes that she has the will to thrive there too.
>>286321122>This short is Anno having Asuka herself refuse to be a fanservice entityThe conclusion is literally having Asuka reducing herself to be defined by the role she was given despite how meaningless and harmful it was in the first place. Anno literally makes her the audience's eternal waifu, something that's only intended for the audience escapism. >and to double down on her established character, as a fighter willing to struggle for a happy tomorrow herselfAsuka never, ever was someone willing to struggle for a happy tomorrow herself. Asuka was a wild dog chasing her own tail because she didn't want/couldn't face her own demons that would allow her to find any real happiness (the insistance on being an eva pilot tells the whole story).>Fuck Anno, fuck the rebuilds, fuck the audience,Asuka rejects Shinji/Anno, but she does so to become the audience's thing instead.
>>286321190>And thus Asuka accepts herself ending up with baka Shinji in the post-EoE reality instead of the Eva-less fantasyExactly, 30th anniversary explains how and why Asuka gets to pic related instead of trying to kill Shinji. She loves him. And pic related, which is official post-EOE art, shows that they're living happily in a broken, fucked up world.
>>286312424I don't think I like this alternate reality. Asuka seems too different
>>286313003I have never paid for a single piece of Eva media ever.
>>286321286You’ve never understood Asuka, and this short makes that perfectly clear. You are running away from the truth and clinging onto your false interpretation (fantasy) of what you want her to be, making her your doll. You are what you claim to hate. Remember that.
>>286321315Asuka didn’t feel it was quite right either.
>Am I out of touch…? No, it’s Hideaki Anno who’s wrong!El oh el
>>286321286You've posted this cope yesterday already. There are no more Evas in the post-EoE world. Asuka referring to herself as the Unit 02 pilot is just her affirming her identity from that reality.>Asuka never, ever was someone willing to struggle for a happy tomorrow herselfNo one in the original cast was until the end, that's the whole plot. Ultimately she fights for her own life and returns to the real world from the sea of LCL. She is fighting for her own happiness, however she may define it. Stop wasting our time and kill yourself.
>>286321347Asuka is someone who seeks validation to function, the entire short is about that. And by the end of it she chose to go back to square one, Asuka chose to be an eva pilot again to define herself becaus she literally is unable to break free from it. Anno is telling the audience that Asuka doesn't belong to him/Shinji, she now belongs to the audience.
It's hilarious watching one autist have a continuous melty for multiple days because the cope they've used to justify their shitty take has been explicitly confirmed to be a shitty take.
>>286321456Wrong wrong wrong. Soryu’s arc of self actualization over her ending, taking ownership of her reality, and refusing to be handed a fake happily ever after that she did not forge by her own hands is NOT her accepting to be a doll. It is quite literally the opposite. She has reclaimed her agency and is exercising it, no matter how many faggots like you doubt her. Anno is condemning those who saw her end in EoE as an unhappy one, because to have no hope, is to not have any faith in her at all. You’ve given up, but she will not.
>>286318395>What I wouldn't give to have seen Shinji and Asuka's life after EoEI like that the life Shinji and Asuka live after EOE is left to the audience's interpretation. The small bit of post-EOE media that we got shows Shinji and Asuka are living an endless summer vacation. They lived through hell and were given paradise at the end. Showing too much might ruin EOE. But if they do a post EOE short in the distant future, I wouldn't mind.
>>286321456>Asuka is someone who seeks validation to function, the entire short is about that>They're now repeating the 30 year old drivel about Asuka constantly seeking validation when Anno made an entire short about Asuka LITERALLY craving a real connection and a happy future for herself and ShinjiLmaooooo the cope is off the charts, Anno mindbroke you people so fucking hard, gotta report you to the suicide watch
>>286321550>You’ve given up, but she will notMatches up with Anno's current mindset too.
>>286321561This is my feeling as well. The future they have ahead of them is a private matter, and revealing too much ruins the magic. This short sprinkled some more hope on the ending in a tasteful way, but it’s better to leave it to speculation.
>>286321216>he doesn't knowSakura and Shirou are the soulmates of FSN.
>>286321583That’s why he was so based for having her reject the Rebuild philosophy and affirm the NGE philosophy. Escaping Eva might be Anno’s/Rebuild’s dream, but it isn’t hers.
literal first 2 minutes of the short btw
>>286321655Yep, that’s the flawed thinking she starts with (mirroring the flawed thinking of some members of the audience) and then her arc in the short is growing out of the false perception that it’s a hopeless ending that Soryu is cursed with (the audience should too).
>>286321550Asuka choosing to be an eva pilot is her returning to the role she was given, there's no agency there because Asuka never had one as an eva pilot. Asuka returning to that role is her reducing herself as a product to please the audience.>Anno is condemning those who saw her end in EoE as an unhappy oneShe literally goes on and on about how unhappy she was in EoE.
It feels so good watching genuinely awful people who hate Asuka go mad and waste their time coming up with copes about this short. We won, asukabros, congratulations!
>>286321697>that’s the flawed thinking she starts with That she doesn't mind ending up with Shinji? Wut?
>>286321569The version of Shinji Asuka meets in her fantasy is nothing like the canon one (as far as their dynamic goes at least), she has turned him into someone worth receiving validation from, which is why she's always frustrated and bitter when the canon version fails to match the fantasy.
>Anno LITERALLY adapts Re-TakeWhat the fuck. Did he read it? Insanely based either way.
>>286321722Your false perception of Asuka is thinking that her desire to be “a pilot” is a false one, that she could never want to be for herself. That she has no desire to protect others and her/their happiness.This completes her arc because in Post-3I Earth, she has nobody forcing her into that identity. She chose her identity for HERSELF.>She literally goes on and on about how unhappy she was in EoESee>>286321697She was your stand in who was wrong and then learned why she was wrong. If you engaged with the short honestly you could grow up too!
I never understood how anyone could see EoE as an unhappy ending. Really fucking boggles my mind that people ever saw it that way.
>>286321751Nope, that’s not what’s flawed, because that’s not what she grows out of. What’s flawed is wishing for a different world where she doesn’t live in Post-3I Earth. That her ending is unfixable and doomed. She didn’t need lighter burdens, she just needed broader shoulders, and the inner fire to thrive.
>>286321779Cope copeity copeShe accepts her Shinji and goes back to live with him in EoE reality
>>286321808I would say that that's stupid, but then again, she does keep shouting "retake" every other second in the short
>>286312424When is this thing out as proper release, not as camrip?
>>286321850It’s dark and emotionally complex and leads to a challenging future so that overwhelms some people and they just assume there’s no hope. Anno was simply too Raw/Real for them. They’d rather stay in the LCL.
>>286321814>her desire to be “a pilot” is a false oneAsuka falls into a coma when her identity as a pilot is taken from her.>she has nobody forcing her into that identity. She chose her identity for HERSELFShe's chosing this identity because she cannot identify as anything else. Otherwise, she'd have gone with the fantasy Shinji. Instead, Asuka chose the audience and their perception of her.
>>286321900It's not, it was an exposition only presentation
>>286321900We don’t know when, but Anno confirmed he wants to put it out.
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>>286321651What if Rebuild was just a post-mortem dream Asuka had after being killed by the mass-produced Eva units? I always found it odd that she's alone at the end of Rebuild, and Asuka being alone at the station might be a sign that she rejects the world without EVA. And when the dream ends, the Shikinami character guides our girl, Soryu, out of her dream/instrumentality and back to reality... which is technically the world with Eva since we're getting a new series lol.
>>286321941Literally the opposite (like most of what you say). She chose to be “a pilot” HERSELF because that’s who she is and wants to be. She reclaimed her true identity as hers. The audience wanted her to live happily ever after free from struggle, but she denied them.“I will make my happiness myself”
>>286321969She knows he fapped to her.
>>286321995Rebuild is a different timeline. The two are essentially unrelated, except for Kaworu who experiences all timelines, and some moments where Rebuild characters achieve meta awareness. I do not believe that Rebuild is intended to be an instrumentality dream.
>>286321734an expected gift to be sure
>>286321969The short is a meta explanation of why Soryu thinks this is disgusting, and how she moves past that. Her expression is honest in the moment, but she will not live her life at “disgusting” forever.
>>286322011>She chose to be “a pilot” HERSELF because that’s who she is and wants to beAsuka being an eva pilot is a role given to her. Asuka herself does not question that role, she merely clings to it desperately because she'd stop functioning without it. When presented with an alternative with what she perceives as happiness , she turns it down. Asuka cannot separate herself from the eva because she would be lost without it. That's why in Rebuild Shinji had to be the one send her away since she would not be able to leave by herself and why they needed a support character to care for her without any eva around.
>>286322125>Asuka being an eva pilot is a role given to herThis is the headcanon that you cling to that has been throughly btfoed. You’ve misunderstood what being a pilot meant to her this whole time. She has excised the toxicity of the expectation but has preserved the agency of being what she wants to be.Soryu does not need to give up Evangelion, Soryu needs to choose to thrive in Evangelion, and not run away.Shikinami is another character entirely and her arc is irrelevant to Soryu’s.
>>286321969You just know that Shinji went hard after she said that. Damn, EOE Asuka is 10/10.
>>286321995Asuka seems least likely to be hallucinating Rebuild, or more of Soryuu's background would be in Shikinami. Shikinami is like someone else had to recreate Asuka from scratch.
>>286322089I don't think so. Shinji strangling asuka is him being geniune with her for the first time: he's showing that he's needy, pathetic, and utterly terrified of being judged, without trying to excuse it or hide away.Similarly, asuka tenderly touching his cheek is her being geniune for the first time, displaying her withheld affection rather than pushing him away and keeping up her volatile, aggressive, defensive walls. Afterward, shinji crying into her and her insulting him with "disgusting" is just them returning to the status quo, of hiding and deflecting, showing that they aren't completely changed people after their experiences, but they are trying. Enough to show it, briefly.
>>286322200>This is the headcanon that you cling toAsuka being an eva pilot is the role the script/Anno assigned to her. This is something mandatory for her to be able to function.>Soryu does not need to give up EvangelionActually Soryu needs to do two things, get away from Shinji and get away from the eva.>Soryu needs to choose to thrive in Evangelion, and not run awayThere's no thriving in the eva. The eva were tools created to achieve escapism in the first place.
>>286322309Shinji strangling Asuka is a fear based response, one that comes from thinking of the real Asuka as the same as his instrumentality nightmare of her (someone who would rebuke him down to his bare soul). He lashes out to run away from the truth, what someone he cares about honestly thinks of him (he assumes rejection, just like his father).Instead, Asuka is not the person he thought she was in his fear-delusions. She has every right to want to kill him, but she caresses his face. “I understand and accept you”.This moment fills him with shock, as Shinji’s false fear-reality shatters, and then he breaks down in tears of overwhelming emotion, a combination of relief and guilt that compound on eachother into anguish.Having acknowledged his soul, deep down, as a person, Asuka then rebukes his actions as disgusting.
>>286322357>Applying rebuild’s meta-perspective onto NGEWrong wrong wrong. The short chastises you for being this way. The world of NGE doesn’t acknowledge its author in the way that Rebuild does. Soryu’s reality IS Evangelion, and in the world of NGE that is literally true. It is only in Rebuild that true reality is a level beyond the story.>get away from Shinji and get away from the eva.She is not your self insert doll, her wishes are her own (the opposite of both of these). You are objectively wrong.>There’s no thriving in EvaGood thing your lack of hope for her is irrelevant to Soryu and her story.
>>286318848Aside from the reasons another anons have given for why this probably wouldn't work, I also just think it wouldn't be the same being made now instead of the 80s - early 2000s like the other Gundams
>>286322548>The world of NGE doesn’t acknowledge its author in the way that Rebuild doesLiterally both the original show and EoE acknowledge the fact they're productions and metanarratives, and guess what, the new short does as well.
>>286322722Tht scene is foreshadowing Shinji's growth spurt. Ikari men are like kaiju in Japan.
>>286322722The original uses the iconography of a production to create the artifice of potential worlds, and to explore their character’s souls, NOT to diminish their lived reality. There is a reason in both EoTV and EoE Shinji decides to return to his world, and that is portrayed as the correct choice (and a reason the short does the same with Soryu).If you are unable to view NGE with the philosophy it holds with itself because you can only apply Rebuild’s logic to it, then you can abandon NGE for Rebuild because it isn’t for you.
>>286321995She dissolved into LCL right before dying due to her extreme sync levels.
>>286322867Her love of her mother was so strong she was able to live ;-;
>/a/nons talk about Evangelion in earnest>/v/ermin talk about .hack// in earnestWhat is it about Sadamoto's art that activates the neurons in Anons?
All I get is that Asuka really loves Shinji and it's not shallow crush at all.This short is after he disappointed her in every way, fapped to her and strangled her. But she still daydreams of being his wife. She accepts that he sucks ass but part of her still wants to be with him.But it's not on the level of obsession as she still backed down from this soft dream, knowing it doesn't fit her.
>>286323012It definitely clarifies that it’s not a simple crush or puppy love.
>>286322917He's a fellow chud (hates K*reans)
>>286323012It was all a fantasy.If there was any reality attached to this, Asuka would also act like a sexualized angry bitch.
>>286323080EoE Shinji must also keep fighting to find happiness too. But we’re left with the hope that they can do it.
>>286323080this. the real asuka has edge and spunk.
>>286323048I mean, they were around each other for like 6 monthsWhen you're 14, that's an eternity, it's 1/28th of your entire life
Episode 27 made me genuinely emotional and filled me with love and hope. Listening to Yoko Takahashi's ~refrain~ album and bawling my eyes out. Kisses to all of you anons.
>>286323170Soryu bestowed with the meta-awareness of 30 years has a bit of a softer temperament, but it does reveal her inner self quite well. Nobody expects the weeks and months after One More Final to be without strife, against the landscape and each other, and maybe their future will not be quite so comfortable, but it’ll be real, and Soryu is ready to get in the robot that is the rest of her life.
>>286312424der peruaner
>>286323255No, it was flanderized to stupid levels.I get the intention, but this Asuka >>286321655 isn't the real one either.
>>286323316That’s just cope, and a refusal to accept reality. She is Anno’s Soryu. Reject his vision for his character if you must, but then you’re operating on your own headcanon.
>>286323197Take care of yourself
>>286323342See>>286323349
>>286323349>>286323375Nope.Asuka isnt a cartoon tsundere shit, for that we have a million of lookalikes that will never come close to the real Asuka from NGE (example the filthy rhinoshit from above).If picrel sequence included one choking image, one of a fight, and one of them in bed, then it would be much loser to the real deal.
>>286323012>All I get is that Asuka really loves Shinjiheadcanon version of shinji, ftfy
>>286323455*much closer
>>286323455Anon, Soryu isn’t going to fantasize about having a fight with her husband. That doesn’t mean she won’t in reality, but she doesn’t dream about the bumps in a relationship.
>>286323477Her headcanon version of Shinji who she sees in her real Shinji (which is how love works btw), ftfy
>>286321076>she wants to fight in her world for that happinessHeadcanon, nothing implies that she wants to be with Shinji as part of her happiness. The opposite actually.
>>286315026Who said this was instrumentality?
>>286323455ugly ass baby
>>286323738all newborn babies are all red and ugly
>>286323704Nope, she lit up like a Christmas tree and said she wants to fight for and protect a world where happiness like that could exist. Stop coping.
Reminder that the short confirmed Kaworu canonically likes Asuka and wants to make her happy.Kawoasu is winning against all odds.
>>286324621I’m happy that you got a little something.
Frankly I feel you Asushins are drastically missing the point here. It seems to me that Anno is attempting to you show you, from a metanarrative perspective, why their relationship would didn't work in the first place despite their feelings for each other. Shinji and Asuka want different things, fundamentally, and that's why their hands never touch. It's no wonder to me, watching this short, why Shinji chose what he chose at the end of Rebuild. The peaceful world beyond Eva seems to be his ultimate goal, but Asuka's ultimate goal lies in the world within Eva. They're fundamentally incompatible.
>>286324621I mean, isn't he like that about all humans?
>>286324922Frankly, I think you're twisting the episode's straightforward narrative to cope
>>286324958Yes, but seething Shinjifags swore for years that Kaworu hates Asuka because they're threatened by him being nice to anyone that isn't Shinji
>>286324922Nope, the point of the short was made pretty clear, the two timelines are separate and what Rebuild characters want is incompatible with what NGE characters want. Soryu says she ended up with Shinji at the beginning of the short as a matter of course, she was just trying to find an alternative to Post-3I Earth, realized she was not having faith in herself, and affirmed she would return to her reality, and fight for her happiness (which was shown to be a life with Shinji).
>>286323455>choking>fighting>fuckingcanonically AsuShin does the 3 at the same time
*Ahem*Choking the girl you like will never, ever be a sign of love. Cope, seethe, do mental gymnastics, grief, I don't care. That's not how SANE people roll, not that I expect some mentally ill shippertard to understand, I'll just laugh at your schizophrenia. :^)>B-but she soothed Shinji with his ha-DISGUSTING. RebuildCHADs being hopeCHADs made Asuka happy, wish for marriage, and smile the same as when her mom saved her with unconditional LOVE, something INCELji and DOOMERS could never.>B-but she declined the worl-She decided to be a pilot and protect humanity, wearing her plugsuit at the end. INCELji can keep crying at the beach for all she cares. You can start with the COPE. Visual evidence will always triumph over schizophrenia and your mental delusions. RebuildCHAD OUT.
So Eva is good again and the Rebuild movies are just a bad dream?
>>286325286EoE is pure hopeCHADery btw. You lost because your brain stops at the color the screen happens to be.
>>286325049She, on the other hand, does not seem to much care for the guyBoth Asukas were chastising him for being unable to help Shinji
>>286325286>rebuiltardYou're the weeb equivalent of a Star Wars sequel trilogy fan, if those even actually exist
>>286324922>their hands never touchYou know, that's where this big painting comes inWhile Rei and Kaworu's fingers are interlocked, Shinji and Asuka's hands are barely brushing each other
>>286321315Asuka seems like a caricature of herself.
>>286324922yeah cool, cool cool, tight, cool hey here's an idea:write it so that the canon couple gets together thanks anno
>>286324922>at the end of RebuildStopped reading thereRebuild isn't canon
>>286316124>caring about the other money grab timelinesThe OG one is the only one that counts.
>>286325372Asuka is a tsundere who is mean to the people she likes, no?
>>286325303Yes
>>286325746If we're being real, Asuka is not quite a "pure" tsundere because she's straight up mean to everyone regardless of how she feels about themExcept Kaji I guess
>>286325464You missed their other hands.
>>286325464Man this art is straight up shipping no matter how you twist it.Rei and Kaworu are here but Shinji only has his eyes on Asuka.
>>286326222He didn't miss anything he ignored it. Just like he ignored them gazing into each other's eyes.
>>286326322I mean, it's not exactly a secret that individual members of khara's staff have their own opinions on who should be fucking whoThat one artist that made the art where Rei and Kaworu have a kid caused enough fujoshi asshurt to force the company as a whole to issue a statement apologizing for it
>>286326460doing that kind of kowtowing makes it worse, they need to just rip off the bandaid and have art with whoever
>>286326460There was also that other official artist who drew Mari x Shinji art and also had to eventually delete it. Shippers on twitter are Khara's greatest fear it seems.
>>286315412Better toilet for Asuka
>>286326593dont wanna risk alienating the whales
The crazy son of a bitch did it, he finally ended Evangelion.It’s like a burden has been lifted. I’m finally ready to move on and get excited for Yoko Taro’s Evangelion
Who is she talking about? Misato's son?
>>286326938Mari
>>286326593AsuShin is the canonical ship of EVA after all
>>286326938Maria
>>286326593I think it was actually the same artist who drew the Kaworei baby one and the Shinji Mari love one. It was Thrice Upon an Time's lead animation director. Truth be told he was probably just leaking internal art files.
>>286326375To be fair, when the painting was first revealed they didn't have any pupils, or blushing cheeks, as it was part of a live painting eventBut the final product is a LOT less subtle
I always knew Asushin was canon but wew I didn’t think I’d see the day that Anno would scream it from the rooftops.
>>286326938It's Mari
>>286326938I thought she meant Shinji. Mari never did that.
Where can i see the short? With subs
>>286328025He had the biggest crush on Miyamura and it shows.Man she's such a fun VA, she nails the tsundere voice.
>>286319006Closest thing we got was post-Bardiel Manga Shinji coming within inches of decking Gendo before Kaji was able to hold him back. Made Gendo flinch at least.
>>286328107She's taking about both. One of the reasons Mari was created was to change how the story went and destroy Eva.
>>286328236and yet it changed nothing.AsuShin was and forever will be the ship of EVA.
>>286328236She did, for rebuild.Anno was kind enough to spare the original series.
>>286328304Dumbass GoS artists forgot Asuka is a solid inch taller than ShinjiTons of artists forget that, apparently
>>286328140Cat website
Are the visual novels or slice of life manga any good?
>>286328311lmao good one, but AsuShin and EVA are bigger than anno itself
>>286327848even the pose alone is pretty overt, but yeah the finished product is undeniable
>>286328368the first girlfriend of steel is pretty decent and has good art, the rest aren't really what you'd call actually good but they're nice for fluff and easy reads
>>286328236Yeah, but she wasn't the one who created a new world. That was Shinji.
>>286328368Better than the Rebuilds and likely whatever the Clover Works anime is.
>>286326938Maybe Gendo?
>>286328322I think that one was added in the rerelease.
>>286328390Humidifier or bong?
>>286328425I figured based on how little I hear about them. Still want to check them out.
>>286328429Change events in this instance probably means something like the butterfly effect of escaping from a fixed fate. Like when Mari crashed into the Rebuild plot, the S-DAT finally reaches track 27.
>>286328429This >>286328522Creating a new world and introducing a new element into a story to change how events go are two different things.
>>286325746There are different varieties of tsundere, but Asuka is basically angry with most people, unlike others who are specifically angry to the guy they like and are nice to everyone else.
Basically, I love Asuka and I can’t stop.
>>286328601We know, Shinji.
>>286328464Aside from maybe Kaworu, Gendo is the last person who would have this trait. The guy is absolutely doomed to terrible fate and can't change it. Only Shinji can change Gendo's fate.
Is every Eva thread going to be like this from now on?
>>286328690god i hope so
>>286328690There will be a little more asushin gloating, and a little more schizophrenia and coping against it, but the Taro anime will give us more to talk about. I welcome the Post-Rebuild era with open arms, it’s finally over.
>>286328601her body language is so good in that episodein general too but especially there
>>286328690It's better than what they used to be like.
>>286328690Yes, unfortunately now every Eva thread will be autistic arguments about Asuka... wait a minute...
>>286328690>is every Eva thread going to be like this from now on?The same for thirty years?
>>286328931The timeframe between 3.0+1.0 and eva30 was essentially our dark ages
>>286329002it was penance
>>286328971To another 30 years!
Pretty funny how, aside of some piracy asshurt from the japs, the response to this whole thing has been nearly universally positiveAnno hasn't even had to threaten to sue anybody!If only moot were alive to see this...
>>286329163moot FORSAKE aska and was excommunicated
>>286328971I don't mean the red v blue debate, i mean the retarded shizos shittinng up threads.
>>286329213thankfully, those guys either disappeared (for now) or have been going on insane cope spirals to maintain their debunked interpretations of the show and movie, which has been pretty entertaining
>>286321315I mean, she's literally talking to an alternate reality version of herself in an unreal world space. Not surprising she acts completely unguarded when in such an absurd situation with someone she has ultimate trust and understanding of
>>286329213Oh, well those guys just got their shit rocked by Anno, so there’s a little extra cope going on right now but they are actually less energetic than usual.
>>286328614Gendo has the ability, all he's gotta do is not be a freak from his youth and then surrender his entire life over to fear the moment he falls in love. If he doesn't do that, he doesn't make Eva, doesn't kill his wife, doesn't become a deadbeat dad whose entire dream is to have her back and never be able to lose herSo it's pretty much impossible for his character as is, but he's also one of the ones with agency that changes the world if only he learns to behave differently
>>286326938Shred God
>>286328368Campus Apocalypse and Piko Piko are the two best Eva spinoffs
>>286328504Shame you missed the daily chain of all of them
>>286329171It's FORSOOK
>>286329361campus blows but piko is actually funny
>>286329384I love my horsehead Rei
>>286329398>Rei would be a horse girl in a normal lifecursed, forbidden knowledge
>>286329254>less energetic than usual.Yesterday Kensukefag had a ghostposting meltdown in the archive.
>>286312424deredere at the cost of fucking murdering Shinji wtf
>>286330645he'll be fine
>>286313003you jealous
>>286328971Anyone have that one screencap, you know the one
>>286330645He's fine
>>286330789
>>286331376I meant this one
>>286313031You never experienced drama nor know how addictive it is, because you are a sheltered, isolated little cuckboy
>>286331506Drama is fun and juicy so I agree but you sound lame tbdesu
>>286313031>Achieving your desires through your own efforts rather than having everything handed to you is LE BADClean your room.
>>286313031>I want to do nothing and get everything handed to meBoy moment
>>286331506Having drama in your life is addictive? Don't apply your shitposting addiction to real life.
>>286324621
>>286331477And we will keep going until this shithole dies!
ENTER
>>286332780...EXIT
>>286332780TOLD kek
>>286331376I'm scared stiff
>>286332780>Told he can grant her wish>Reject itWoman moment
>>286334809When has Kaworu ever succesfully granted anyone's wishes
>>286334809L kaworu gtfo by 2 asuka lol
>>286331376baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka
can someone explain why concurrency isn't accepted and how EoTV and EoE are necessarily different events?I always thought that the positive mental breakthrough in eotv is basically the same lesson shinji learned in eoe that made him choose to come back, and nothing in eotv ever seemed like Shinji was rejecting the real world in favor of remaining tanged to me
Did you guys know Yuuko Miyamura collabed with Susumu Hirasawa a bunch in the late 90s?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-oqt1I23Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRfk1Zpt3ucShe's the one seiyuu I actually like the solo music albums of. Tamashii and Daisuushii are her best ones
I never watched the rebuilds. Whats the difference between this new asuka and the old one? I thought they were the same
I don't give a shit what that bitch Anno is ever trying to say
>>286336808For most of the first two movies, she's a more hospitable take on Souryu but becomes something completely different afterwards.
>>286320554Asuka feet
come to think of it, imagine right now if the short wasnt leakedwe'd have nuclear shitposting based on tweets and hearsay
>>286329228>>286329254im happy these fags in particular got deboonked
>>286312424What are the chances of them releasing a commercial version of this so we get something better than a camrip?
>>286337150What kind of amuses me is since normies don’t seek out camrips all the social media anime pages just have ASUKA MARRIES SHINJI IN NEW 13 MINUTE SHORT! And people take it at face value.
>>286335821Gendo's fate for one. EoTV has everyone happy in some notional consensus place; EoE has just the pilots on a godforsaken (in the literal sense) beach.
>>286335821Gendo is the only niggle concurrency theorists need an answer for. Everything else fits perfectly.
>>286335821Gendo has Yui in EvaTV yet he gets eaten by unit 01 in EoE.
>>286337801unit 01 is yui anyway
>>286337227100%When did they ever miss a chance to milk the fans
>>286337831Most people interpret Gendo’s consumption as soul annihilation, the tone implies he loses and can’t be with Yui.
>>286337831No i mean Yui literally revives in the final scene of evaTV.
>>286337905Just her soul
>>286334809The bar for Shinji's happiness must look low to Asuka in particular. Shinji's happy to be kicked in the face and this is the guy who couldn't clear that.
My interpretation is that this is the moment in EoE where Congratulations happens. It’s the moment Shinji rationalizes a return to reality, and they have visual similarities.
>>286338143She’s just territorial. Practically all of their AU interactions are negative.
>>286338176God Hikari is pure sex
>>286338243Funniest part is kaworu remembers all Au's lmao.
>>286338176This is literally the total opposite.
>>286338307I’m glad that Kaworu learned to care for her after enough timelines.
>>286338346How, and don’t say Shinji accepted instrumentality in the original because that was always wrong.
>>286337297Yeah the nuance was completely lost lmao
>>286318848I don't want risks, I want the same shit WITH a real ending that makes sense and satisfies me, not a red beach or a dream world.
>>286338468>Yoko Tarogood luck with that
>>286338468Both should make sense and satisfy you if you pay attention.Rebuild is simultaneously easy mode if you’re a surface dweller and hard mode if you are deeply invested.Episode 27 (the new short) only requires toddler mode comprehension skills, it’s the training wheels for Rebuild and EoE.Sadamoto Manga is also very easy to comprehend.
>>286312424Cute couple.
>>286338468Red beach was satisfying though.And Rebuild's world is not a dream world, in-fact it's one of the most physical ones you can find in Eva. Shinji had to lift the corruption of the failures of infinity for Misato and Katsuragi to terraform it with their techshit.There's no point in retreading old ground anymore, it's time for something new.
>>286338553>>286338621I want Shinji and Ass-ka so kill the bad guys and live happily ever after. what's satisfying about them living in the doomed EoE world? what are they going to eat and drink? the ash sand and blood seawater? it's terrible.
>>286338379Instrumentality in itself is irrelevant. It all boils down to self acceptance. The original ending is about Shinji figuring he's not the awful person he thinks he is and warming up to the possibility of accepting himself, this is where others congratulate him for. In EoE, none of this can happen, because Shinji has actually turned in the terrible person he thinks he is, no one is there to congratulate him, and the fantasy he claims to desire represent days long past before he did terrible things he doesn't want to face.Shinji is trying to dodge responsibilty, no self acceptance. The biggest clue on the picture is Rei's hidden face, Rei is confronting Shinji, but Shinji is trying to hide his real feelings.
Asuka could do better than Shitji.
>>286317976>>286323455Why does Shinji only produce females? Pump in some males at least Shinji boy
>>286338655You’re supposed to have hope for them and believe in them. If you can’t do that, you have the rebuild timeline where those version of the characters literally escape the story and ascend to a higher plane of existence where they are free of suffering and their 2D reality.
>>286338697He is feminine allined
>>286338655Well because from a storyline standpoint, the point itself was made already, it was never meant to continue beyond the notion that hope is possible even if it seems impossible. Rebuild is more outwardly hopeful with its ending if you're into that.You might not find that overly satisfying and bit open-ended and ambiguous, but that has ALWAYS been Anno's philosophy when creating.
>>286338658EoTV is the keys to the kingdom where Shinji discovers the right answer, and the will to live. One More Final: I Need You shows that just because you have the epiphany to live doesn’t mean you will conduct your life perfectly, that there will always be hardships in reality and you will always stumble as an imperfect human with an ego barrier, but you can move forward and get better with effort and time.
>>286338697german genes overpower japanese ones
>>286338658>The biggest clue on the picture is Rei's hidden faceThat's actually symbolic of the fact that Rei cannot be part of the happy future Shinji yearns for, as she is no longer human
>>286338784Which is weird since soryu is half
I hope we get more foot scenes.
>>286338811>That's actually symbolic of the fact that Rei cannot be part of the happy future Shinji yearns forThe picture there is a dream of the past, not the future. Shinji actually wants to go back in time before he did awful things. Another huge clue is Kaworu missing on the picture, Shinji would never dream a hopeful future without him. This is the past, before killing Kaworu, before letting Toji get hurt, before Kaji died.
>>286338705That’s the issue that people who don’t like EoE can’t get over. EoE asks you to see the struggle against despair and suffering as a challenge to tackle, the friction that life inherently has as the challenge that makes life meaningful. I think the new short from Asuka’s perspective spoonfeeds it a little better. It’s the challenge of reality that makes it worthwhile to keep pushing.
>>286338947To be fair when you put it that way it sounds insufferably pretentious.
>>286338935That was not conveyed in the film, Shinji was not depicted as running away into a fantasy, he chose reality. He has hope for what reality could be one day, but it’s not a time reversal.Similar to Asuka in the short, who has a fantasy of what she wants her future to be, but she acknowledges what she’s actually getting into and swears to keep fighting.
Misato instrumentalization when?
>>286339000Not trying to sound like an egghead, just trying to convey what people seem to miss the best I can. EoE is raw and emotionally challenging.
>>286339034Can only be properly done in hentai.
>>286338658>Rei is confronting ShinjiNo she's not, she's comforting Shinji and helping guide instrumentality along according to what he wantsNeither Rei nor Kaworu are grilling him here (unlike Asuka), both of them are as gentle with him as possible >>286338935>The picture there is a dream of the pastHe says "I want to see them AGAIN", it's both a memory of a happy past and an approximation of the future he wishes to build by having Rei reverse human instrumentality (Rei and Kaworu are not humans, thus not included, as much as he would have wished them to be, which is represented by Rei being visible but hidden behind him)You might ask, why is Kaji there then? We don't know how instrumentality or the sea of LCL work, after all Asuka and Misato both died, not to mention all the NERV staff killed by the JSSDF, but they were all seemingly still integrated to the hivemind anywayWho's to say he won't get another shot as well?
>>286339066Not a dig at you, because you're correct, but at EoE and Anno. I can totally understand why someone would find it unsatisfying. That theme was popular back then but these days it's really fallen out of vogue.
The confusion around EoE is exactly why we need a media that further expands on it like the short did for asuka.
>>286339189>>286339066In the end, EoE's message is shallow and naive
>>286339189Anywhere can be paradise as long as you have the will to live can hit people the wrong way depending on their life circumstances for sure. A useful lens for me is if you take it as an aborted suicide metaphor (I’m not claiming this is the intention, just a useful lens). EoTV is the Eureka moment where you have the moment of clarity to not kill yourself, EoE is the mindset you need to have in the days and weeks after the eureka moment where life is still a nightmare world and you must reframe the struggle into a challenge you embrace, and Rebuild is the epilogue told in the future by someone who had truly moved on to such an extent, that the person you were who wanted to kill themselves feels like a different person in a different world who just needed to escape the story he was telling himself.
>>286339347I very much disagree, it is neither of those things.
>>286338350He just hated Shinji liking her more.
I love my biCHAD Queen. Even Souryu couldn't resist the Mari big dick energy.
>>286339382For You. Maybe it works as criticism of psychotherapy or something
>>286339354That's a good way of looking at it, I think.
>>286339466No, in general. It is the harshest lesson of the three Anno endings, but the most useful if you don’t bounce off of it.
>>286339301The short is all the expanding that was necessary without undermining the artistic integrity of the film.
>>286339026>That was not conveyed in the filmActually it was. The epilogue is there for that sole reason. The scene mirrors the hospital scene to illustrate Shinji's stagnation/regression. The hospital scene is about Shinji locking himself in a room, creating a safe space where he abuses a powerless Asuka for his own selfish need to avoid facing reality. The epilogue is about Shinji running away to a world where only his own AT field exists, far remote from the scrutiny of others, where he tries to get rid of powerless Asuka. Both scenes end with him crying in self pity about his disgusting self he refuses to accept.>Shinji was not depicted as running away into a fantasy, he chose realityRei's hidden face is the first hint Anno give you about Shinji's need to run away. The confirmation is the entire epilogue, to Shinji, the only thing that matters is to run away from the reality of what he is, not physical reality itself. Shinji chokes Asuka to get rid of a witness of his ugly self, Asuka is the reality Shinji is running from, not the physical world itself. >Similar to Asuka in the short, who has a fantasy of what she wants her future to beAsuka downright rejects that fantasy, she returns to being an eva pilot to protect whatever, that's literally Soryu turning into Shikinami.
>>286339683>The scene mirrors the hospital sceneActually, it doesn't!According to the End of Evangelion Psalms, the epilogue mirrors the scene from episode 15 where Shinji and Asuka kiss
>>286339745Then forget stagnation, it's full blown regression.
>>286339683Nope! False. One More Final shows that returning to reality and having the will to live doesn’t guarantee you an effortless happily ever after. Shinji’s stumble against his lesson breaks hollywood storytelling convention (hurr durr our hero is now “fixed”) to show the reality of what the path of growth actually looks like. He choked Asuka because of his misconceptions he held of her (as a source of total rejection he hallucinated in instrumentality, rejection being his greatest fear), but the twist was Asuka not being that monster he thought she was, when she caressed his face “I understand you, and accept you”. The look of shock and surprise on his face is the moment his fear delusions shattered, and he is forced to confront the guilt and shame, mixed with his overwhelming sense of relief that he had been acknowledged on a soul level (compounding happy and sad tears). Having acknowledged him in an intimate moment of understanding, Asuka (correctly) rebukes his actions as “disgusting”, further accentuating the point, living in reality means acknowledging your failures and how they affect others. Shinji can’t just accept himself, he must also accept others, the outside world, and his duties to it. The two of them have to fight to keep living, and stop the cycle of self destructive behavior.>Asuka rejects that fantasyJust like Shinji>She refers to being an eva pilotThat’s how she self identifies, she will fight for the future she wants in the EoE world (I will fight for happiness in reality)>Soryu turning into ShikinamiFALSE, she rejects the rebuild philosophy of ascending to a meta-Earth without Eva, acknowledges that she *is* Evangelion (just like all the OG Characters), and welcomes the burden of Post-3I Earth. Her saying that Shinji is happy with EoE is all one needs to know that he can and will rise above too. The future beyond the end card is one of struggle and hope.
>>286338697Don't worry, EoE Shinji and Asuka have to make at least 100 kids, maybe more.
>>286339868Hardly, the two scenarios share common elements (one person in emotional distress preventing the other from being able to breathe, the one asphyxiating doesn't react despite the fact that they really should) but with different outcomes (failure to connect vs tragic success)
>>286340094It’s almost like the final scene is called “I Need You” for a reason lmao
>>286340219Asuka being the final piece of the puzzle, the one who picks up Shinji’s slack after he stumbles again, putting an end to his downward spiral, is meant to show the importance of others in our lives and that we can’t just do it all ourselves. I think it’s beautiful but it’s such a gut punch that people miss the forest for the trees.
>>286340219I have seen this scene countless times and each time I'm shocked how perfect it is.
Shinji metaphorically thought he was back in his Eva Unit killing an Angel meant to kill him, but he was actually metaphorically repeating the killing of Kaworu with Asuka. The hand on his face brought him back to reality.
>>286312424why is 2026 edgygelion suddenly a love comedy?
>>286340532Apparently some people missed Asushin the first time so Anno had to clear it up before he said goodbye.
>>286340532Evangelion has always been a love comedy.
At this point it's kinda clear that NGE and EoE can't be topped story wise or animation wise so I say fuck it go full shlock, remake the series another 5 times like eroge routes. Have one series where Shinji ends up with Rei, one with Asuka, one with Misato, one with Kaworu, fuck it make one where Shinji dies and Rei and Asuka end up fucking. We ain't topping the original so just start digging down
>>286340601My thoughts as well. The originals do not need to be touched any more (the short was surprisingly tasteful but no more finishing touches necessary). If you’re going to continue the franchise go wild with it in AUs.
>>286313003I don't understand how a franchise built on the entire premise of blueballing it's fans can be this popular.
>>286312424If only she had actually behaved like this in the last two rebuild films instead of being a fucking Nazi to Shinji.
>>286340700The whole point is that this is her inner desires and thoughts. Her inability to express them normally is the entire point.
>>286340700Now we know, that was a whole different person
>>286340677You ever heard of Curt Ricther and the drowning rat experiment? >Richter is quoted widely for his drowning rat experiments,[8] where rats would drown in a fairly short time without attempting to swim. But if rats had repeated experiences of rescue (or of being held briefly and then freed) they "do not die", and "show no signs of giving up". We are the rats
>>286340700Shikinami isn’t Soryu.
>>286340601It's time.
>>286340601>>286340631Bring on ANIMA
>>286340761>>286340719>>286340727Still doesn't excuse her being a Nazi to Shinji.
>>286312424It's a time loop with different outcomes so it doesn't matter. The one loop he ended up with Mana.
>>286340866No you see while Shinji did technically save the world by killing Zaruel he wasn't being a responsible adult while doing it (nwm that he is 14), so he deserves all the hate he gets
>>286340891Cucked by Mari in the final timeloop, poor girl. She never had a chance.
>All these wall of text to justify domestic violence No sane healthy relationship survives choking your partner. But I'm sure a mentally ill lonely person wouldn't know that.>B-butTry it and tell me how it went. Go experience the gritty world you take pride on as a EoEfag. I'll be waiting.
>>286341040Yes because a relationship with women 3 times your age that you have interacted with a total of 4 times in your life is much better and more realistic
>>286341040>No sane healthy relationship survives choking your partner>t. has literally never had a relationship with a womango read a romance novel, they're into much worse than choking
I will say that I don't understand the point of celebrating as if everything about that short wasn't just a fantasy in Asuka's head. It's not like her rejection of a tranquil life with Shinji in Instrumentality means that she'll be able to have that same life in an EoE situation, quite the opposite. She's still stuck in a beach with Shinji having an incel meltdown and no clear path to reconciliation. You can believe something will work out, though unlikely, but you can just as easily believe they continue to fight and hate each other till the day they die from thirst at the beach. This is not exactly a hopeful ending guys.
>>286340794If you really gotta, make it Armaros's backstory.
>He's still coping and maldingOh no no no
>>286341203If we take the short and evangelion tv ending is actually concurrent to the EoE, then both shinji and now asuka seem far more positive than with just EoE alone showing them at their worst.
>>286341040>emotionally challenging material gives me the yucky fuckies and shuts my brain offWe know, that’s why Anno gave you Rebuild. Enjoy it. It’s yours.>>286341203The point of celebrating is that it confirmed the correct reading of EoE, Soryu’s character, and how the rebuilds relate to it in canon. This should have been understood already but now the doubties can’t argue anymore.>I still have room to have doomer headcanon if I want!Yep, you can still ignore Anno’s intentions and fill in the gaps with hopelessness if you want. Anno had enough respect for his art to not definitively guarantee anything. He did however make his intentions clear and set the record straight with how to read EoE with authorial intent in mind.
>>286340891Only for Kaworu, for every other character there is no looping. They are separate timelines. After One More Final is the OG cast’s end. After Salaryman adventures of Shinji and Mari is the rebuild cast’s end.
>>286341377The ending has always playing out the two steps forward, one step backwards stuff.Shinji literally talks about this on his way out of instrumentality.
Shinji needs a haircut he's getting a mullet
>>286341391You cling to EoE because it lets you survive on potential. In that ending, Shinji Ikari is still unfinished, still “about to” become better, still hypothetically redeemable, even after choking the girl. The ambiguity gives you endless room for projection, reinterpretation, and copium. Nothing is resolved, so everything can be imagined. But in the Rebuilds, Shinji doesn’t hide behind potential, he produces results. He confronts himself, accepts responsibility, and makes a decisive, irreversible choice. No metaphysical safety net. No interpretive gymnastics. Just growth, executed. EoE Shinji is a promise you can romanticize, Rebuild Shinji is proof you can’t negotiate with. So ask yourself: do you prefer “potential” because it’s profound or because it excuses never having to deliver?
>>286340966God the last two rebuild films sucked.
>>286341659Holy projection batman. On how many antidepressants are you?
why does eoe provoke this kind of response in people anyway?
>>286341713I mean it's a hell of a film.
>>286341659>But in the Rebuilds, Shinji doesn’t hide behind potential, he produces results.>The results.
>>286341659>He confronts himself, accepts responsibility, and makes a decisive, irreversible choice.He killed SIX BILLION PEOPLE!
>>286341780>KilledThey can all return if they choose to do so
>>286341844So the same as EoE?
>Asuka rejects happy instrumentality>Wakes up back in Germany>It's awful and only the rapefugees are back since instrumentality is haram>Now she's being strangled by an angry Shinji>Remembers the happy romantic intrumentality>Caresses his face>He cries like a bitch>The rape apes are now looking at them>There are no more EVAs to use to fight angels or sand people>"Disgusting"
>>286341659>pilot the Eva Shinji>don't pilot the Eva Shinji>pilot the Eva Shinji>here have this asspull "spear of hope" thing>now you are a salaryman Yes Shinjis great choice in sacrifice
>>286341659You cling to the Rebuilds because they ask nothing of you. They hand feed you comfort, security and rest instead of confronting you to participate. You enjoy “Evangelion” passively.EoE preserves the hope and ambiguity towards the future of the original EoTV ending, but it also contains within it a narrative climax and a more textured and nuanced character study. You flee from EoE because it insists that you engage with it beyond the level of consumption. Episode 27 has validated the proper interpretation, which people who do not watch Eva as you do had already understood.
>>28634171310/10 film that doesn’t hold your hand.
>>286341916The rapefugees got deported after 2nd impact. Trust.
>>286339505>harshest lesson You treat this man like he is some sort of guru...maybe it's justified because he is a billionaire. Nonetheless, those ''lessons'' are superficial and trite. There are many works of art, fiction, philosophy that are far beyond this banality
>>286341916Then that guy reforms and rapes them all
>>286342128You can claim anything is shallow if you treat it in bad faith. There is no “depth units” in which to measure art. I believe Eva’s artistic credibility speaks for itself with how many people it has touched deeply, and the people who wrestle over its meaning to this day.
>>286341916>threshold for people to recover from ego death and reconstruct themselves out of the slime takes at least 68 IQ>Third Impact saves humanity
>>286341960The difference isn’t about passive versus engaged viewers; it’s about unresolved introspection versus enacted change. EoE leaves Shinji Ikari exposed and suspended in possibility, reflecting where Hideaki Anno was at the time, isolated, depressed, and still inside the wound. Rebuild transforms realization into decisive action, mirroring a later Anno who had rebuilt his life and married Moyoco Anno. One ending leaves the pain unresolved; the other commits to closure and forward movement. The preference between them isn’t about depth, it’s about whether you value lingering in analysis or choosing to move on.
>>286342367One is also a timeless classic the other AU garbage that can be ignored
>>286342367No, that is the difference. Your core complaint with EoE is that it requires participation. It tests the audience to see if you could understand the story, and Anno. It reaches out its hand and asks you to take it. You prefer the ending to be handed to you, in full, passively.Rebuild is not completely without merit, and it is still a personal work, but it is a lesser iteration of Evangelion as a narrative/message/story/work of art. To cling to it as definitive (when it isn’t even a direct resolution of the original, only a thematic retread) is passivity.
>>286341659The whole post sounds like nonsense, but ok>In that ending, Shinji Ikari is still unfinished, still “about to” become betterAnd? Even if is so, life is an endless journey of becoming better and learning, which is worth the pain of interpersonal hardships>Ambiguity gives you endless room for reinterpretationAnd? What is the downside here?>In the rebuilds he confronts himselfHe does that in EoE as well>Makes a decisive, irreversible choiceHe does that in EoE as well>No metaphysical safety netWhat is the safety net here? Imagining the flavor of hardship he'll have to go through in the post-Third Impact world? How is that a safety net?>Just growth, executedSame happens in the original series and EoERebuild pleb cope>>286342367Anno has not changed one bit since then, but his state of mind has no relevance to me or the story itself. It is what it is.
>>286329213That's more threads than otherwise these days.
>>286315800She's already in Rebuild. Just not as a character. "Original Asuka" confronts Shikinami in Eva 02 off screen after Gendo eats them.
I cant believe we now have plebs in these threads that praise Reslop of Evangelion. Literally The Last Jedi of anime. Absolute shit taste.
There is no stronger metaphysical safety net than literally being allowed to exit your story and render it fiction. It could almost be misconstrued as saying fuck it and accepting instrumentality (I can write my own reality) if it wasn’t shown that it’s just a normal life in modern Japan.
>>286342674It's just the shizo kensuke poster that has to defend Rebuild to the death because of his mental illness
>>286342657Headcanon destroyed by Episode 27. They never met and “could never have met”.
>>286341713Too scary and emotionally impactful for zoomies
>>286316260I miss when NGE Kaworu insulted Asuka for being a failure in after the end. Rebuild one is fangless.
>>286342516>>286342605No. If anything, Rebuild of Evangelion asks more from you, not less. It doesn’t just ask you to think about pain and confusion, it asks you to accept what happens after that and what it means to move on. EoE keeps the focus inside ambiguity and emotional breakdown, which feels deep, but it also keeps you inside that same space of analysis. Rebuild breaks the cycle and refuses to repeat it. It gives a clear ending instead of endless interpretation. Calling that passive only works if you think staying in unresolved pain is automatically more meaningful than choosing closure. If EoE keeps you inside the loop and Rebuild ends it, then the real question is who is actually refusing to engage and move forward.
>>286316124I think it's a new series with new cast, or will focus on other characters.
>>286340094>One More Final shows that Shinji didn't move one inch forward between the hospital scene and the epilogue.>returning to reality and having the will to live doesn’t guarantee you an effortless happily ever afterFailing to reach self acceptance will guarantee no happy end whatsoever.>Shinji’s stumble against his lessonShinji learned nothing the entire movie.>to show the reality of what the path of growth actually looks likeShinji didn't grow in the movie, he regressed.>He choked Asuka because of his misconceptions he held of her Shinji choknig Asuka in instrumentality was his true self. Nobody chokes anyone because of "misconceptions".>the twist was Asuka not being that monster he thought she wasThe twist is Asuka doing something unexpected to save her own skin, which allowed her to reclaim her humanity in Shinji's eyes after he spent the entire movie treating like a thing.>when she caressed his face “I understand you, and accept you”"please", also "there's no way I'll be killed by the likes of you".>The look of shock and surprise on his face is the momenthe couldn't run away anymore and had to come to face with what he is.>and he is forced to confront reality.>happy and sad tearsSelf pity tears, same as the hospital scene, same as misato's death scene.>Shinji can’t just accept himself, he must also accept othersShinji doesn't even accept himself.>The two of them Are stuck going nowhere. Which is why Asuka wants to rewrite the ending into some wishful fantasy.
>>286319872>Shinji>Kensuke>TojiKaworu's next in her bucket list?
>>286342749>Rebuild breaks the cycle and refuses to repeat itBy ending in reset world were people who died during Rebuild are alive again. Yeah ok....
>>286342749>choosing closureI wish you'd choose closure and finally kill yourself instead of wasting our time with all this meaningless sophistry. Original Evangelion is a self-contained story about the challenges of human interpersonal relationships and generational trauma. Rebuild is a dumb metanarrative that invents fanfiction-tier loops it locks itself in and asks you to consider that a meaningful lesson. Piss off with that slop.
>>286340094>Just like ShinjiShinji's fantasy is a lie he never intended to go after. Shinji actually wants to go back in time, but is powerless to do so.>That’s how she self identifiesYou do not self identify to something that has no more meaning. The end of the short is Soryu effectively turning into what Shikinami will be to bridge with rebuild.>she rejects the rebuild philosophy of ascending to a meta-Earth without EvaShe goes back to the eva, that's Rebuild.>Her saying that Shinji is happy with EoEAsuka doesn't know how Shinji feels, she only says maybe he was fine with it but she wasn't for sure.
>>286321630Redman is from a Saber route normal end. He forgot all of them but Saber. It's canon.
Is there a discord these retards raid Eva threads from?
>>286342749EoE is not unresolved, if you bother to participate. Everything you need to make peace with the story is already contained within it. Episode 27 reaffirms that process in simpler terms, but that engagement can exist with the original if you bother to try (which is the lesson, struggle breeds understanding and growth). EoE asks the same from the audience as it does from its characters.Rebuild does NOT ask more from its audience. Rebuild is a retread of the same themes, with a simple, happy, tied-in-a-bow ending that asks practically nothing of the audience. It is peace for Shinji and the audience on a silver platter, without work. A timeskip to a better tomorrow that nobody had to work for.
>>286321995We have the screenplay. That isn't Asuka in there, the only ones in the scene named are kaworu, rei and shinji, and mari in the final one.
>>286332780It's kind of amusing how much it's making fun of itself.
>>286343023It's the bow ties
>>286325372>She, on the other hand, does not seem to much care for the guyActually, he's her first choice in the World Without Shinji ending of that Shinji Ikari VN.Her only beef with Kaworu is being a romantic rival, but otherwise he's her ideal type.
>>286324922>It's no wonder to me, watching this short, why Shinji chose what he chose at the end of Rebuild. The peaceful world beyond Eva seems to be his ultimate goal, but Asuka's ultimate goal lies in the world within Eva. They're fundamentally incompatible.I can see that. NGE 2 good end for Shinji is REJECTING Eva and being a pilot. Asuka's good end is the opposite of that. She's embracing her role as a pilot. They could work a middle ground, but they have an opposite idea of happiness.
>>286326322>Man this art is straight up shipping no matter how you twist it.There are multiple shipping art in Eva. Is this your first one?>>286326460Kaworu and Rei shipping art never gets that backslash, it was the random Shinji as their kid that was hated on. There HAS been Kaworei art and nobody cared because no one takes that ship seriously even if it's the most canon of all the "pairings" despite lack of development.
>>286342781>Shinji didn't move one inch forward between the hospital scene and the epilogueWrong. He found the will to live, and then now understands the importance of the other (I Need You).>Failure to reach self acceptanceWrong. Shinji has reached self-acceptance, in a truly honest way, his disgusting actions and all. He’s also accepted Asuka, who has accepted him.>GuaranteesWrong. You’ve failed to understand the message of hope imparted onto Shinji as he left instrumentality, and inherent in the caress on his face. Episode 27 spelled this out in case you’re retarded. Hope exists, and the characters can and will overcome and find happiness.>Shinji learned nothing the entire movie.Filtered by something that isn’t Hollywood instantly fixed character writing.>He regressedWrong. He did not accept annihilation and he did not kill Soryu.>His true selfTrue, it was his true self, attacking a false fear-delusion Asuka.>Asuka was lying to save herselfAlways wrong, goes against her character and the lesson of Evangelion. Headcanon eternally BTFOed by Episode 27 forever.>There’s no way I’d be killed by the likes of youPlaceholder dialogue from an earlier version of the ending that was completely different, excised from the film because it didn’t fit the new context (old context was Shinji making a grave for her and her kicking it over). Non canon cope.>He had to come to face what he isIn relation to others, exactly what I said. His actions were/are disgusting and he can’t simply accept himself, he needs others and others need him. Stop the spiral of self-destruction.>Shinji doesn’t accept himselfLiteral prerequisite to be there. Yes he does.>Are stuck going nowhereHeadcanon that goes against authorial intent.>Asuka rewriteNope, she just learned to understand EoE, you should too.
>>286342901You say The End of Evangelion is not unresolved if you participate, but that participation stays inside the story. The struggle is about interpreting it and making peace with it, which still keeps you in the same emotional loop. In Rebuild of Evangelion, Shinji Ikari does more than understand himself. He lets go of Rei, Asuka, Kaworu, and even the Evangelions. He ends every bond that defined him. That is not peace handed to him. It costs him everything familiar. Rebuild does not just close the story, it removes the stage and asks you to step outside it. EoE asks you to wrestle with the message inside Evangelion. Rebuild asks you to accept that Evangelion is over and face the world beyond the screen. If one demands more, it is the one that does not let you keep returning to the same loop.
>>286342367Anon, when Anno describes his wife he pretty much describes Asuka's character.
>>286343182>EoE asks you to wrestle with the message inside Evangelion. Rebuild asks you to accept that Evangelion is over and face the world beyond the screenSo EoE is a traditional self-contained story and Rebuild is self-referential fourth wall-breaking meme. Why is Rebuild more valuable here?
>>286342868>Shinji actually wants to go back in timeHeadcanon cope btfoed by Episode 27. Convenient that your schizo theory relies on 10 billion lies to the audience to work.>You do no self identify as—Asuka does and always did. The unit is irrelevant to her will to fight for the world.>Soryu turns into ShikinamiNope, canonically seperate and she rejected Rebuild’s resolution for her own, in exactly the way Soryu would do it (not that you would know that, because you treat Soryu as your self insert fantasy doll instead of her own person).>She goes back in the evaWrong, she goes back to “reality” which is eoe.>Asuka doesn’t know how Shinji feelsShe’s not retarded enough to mistake positive for negative, and she understands him enough to caress his face.You are under a cope delusion. Always have been, and Episode 27 has completely shattered you. Cope.
It's crazy how hard this funny little short broke kenkenfags, they just can't take a break from writing cope posts. Just what you'd expect from the master, Mr. Anno.
>>286343182Nope, the characters must participate in an uncertain yet hopeful future and so do you. EoE *is* what it asks, of both the audience and its characters. An inability to find peace with it is an inability to understand it. Rebuild is just a passive timeskip past the icky bits for people who refuse to try.Episode 27 further cements how EoE always had closure, and was the perfect ending to their story.
Is Codex actually posting their cope here? You lost BIGLY.
>>286337744>Everything else fits perfectly.I don't think it fits at all. Shinji in the TV series isn't having an incel psychotic breakdown, he's just grieving he killed Kaworu and his place in the world.Misato's ALWAYS gets dustered even in Rebuild. So that is her fate.
>>286337860>>286337831Gendo's body is SPECIFICIALLY showed as not becoming tanged, and has Rei, Kaworu AND Yui telling him to fuck off.Anno said that Gendo is rejected in EOE but not in the tv show whatever that means.
>>286317966Rin is a discount OG Asuka, and this Asuka is a discount Rin
>>286339410Asuka calls herself Shinji's sidedish so that's the opposite.
>>286343433Sidedish because she believes any girl will do as long as it’s someone. She’s grown past that insecurity.
>>286338811And that's why Shinji's soul's stop isn't EOE. It's not until Kaworu and Rei are human and part of the world. He continues on.Which sequence of Eva, Shinji learns something, but Rebuild is the last one.
>>286343475>loopNot canon to NGE+EoE. Only Kaworu loops. Separate timelines.
>>286343500Nobody loops, it's all just dumb meaningless slop made for moneyRebuild's og ending was supposed to be an Ultraman ripoff
>>286339155>He says "I want to see them AGAIN", it's both a memory of a happy past and an approximation of the future he wishes to build by having Rei reverse human instrumentality (Rei and Kaworu are not humans, thus not included, as much as he would have wished them to be, which is represented by Rei being visible but hidden behind him)His mom isn't included either. Rei, Kaworu and Yui are merged with Shinji. They are part of him in the scene.Rei and Kaworu are his bonds of communication and love with other people even. He cannot reach out anyone without them.
>>286343427That Asuka is the OG Asuka, and you never understood Asuka.
>>286343344You’re equating acceptance with understanding. The End of Evangelion ends with uncertainty and fragile hope, yes, but that hope is abstract. The characters step into an undefined future, and the audience is asked to interpret that openness as closure. That’s a valid artistic choice, but it is still symbolic resolution, not lived consequence. Saying that anyone who doesn’t “find peace” with it simply failed to understand it turns a subjective reading into dogma.Rebuild of Evangelion is not a passive timeskip past the “icky bits.” Shinji Ikari directly confronts the damage, speaks to each person he hurt or was hurt by, and consciously releases them. The future he enters is not undefined metaphor; it is a concrete break from the Evangelion system itself. The cost is the end of that world. That is not skipping struggle, it is resolving it and then letting it go.Appealing to “Episode 27” as proof that EoE was always perfectly closed only reinforces the point: if closure requires supplementary affirmation, then it was not universally self-evident. EoE offers emotional openness framed as hope. Rebuild offers structural finality. One preserves the tension as the ending. The other dismantles it. Preferring one does not determine who understood the story; it reveals what kind of ending you value.
>>286343329All the rebuildfag shitposting has come to a head, and got nuked from orbit by the master himself.
>>286341431>for every other character there is no looping.It's canon Shinji's name is in the Book of life, like kaworu and rei. they are all "looping" with Kaworu having a self awareness of previous worlds. It's not a loop. Kaworu states that the world is in a process of constant creation and destruction, extinction happened MULTIPLE TIMES. Souls return and some don't.In Eva 02, Shikinami was confronted with "ORIGINAL ASUKA".
>>286343554You either value a real ending that requires you to engage with the work and grow as a person to make peace with it, or you value an easy way out that gives you an answer key in a comforting and peaceful way.EoE wants you to grow up, think for yourself, and learn. Rebuild hands you your mother’s tit to suck on you big baby. Yummy yummy milkies.
>>286342712>non canon>and shows a non canon gag short as "proof"lmao.That only means in a context of being a protagonist co host of a story. She was a literal plot device came o in rebuild.
>>286343460Sidedish in reference of being Shinji's second-third choice, never first.
>>286343153>He found the will to live, and then now understands the importance of the other (I Need You)Completely off the mark, otherwise he wouldn't choke Asuka, especially after seeing the quantum Rei signifying him he's still stuck in the same narrative despite all his efforts to run away.>Shinji has reached self-acceptanceObviously he didn't, otherwise he would apologize to Asuka or show the slightest desire to make amends. Shinji does only two things in the epilogue, try to get rid of Asuka and cry in self pity, both making it clear he cannot accept himself.>in a truly honest way, his disgusting actions and allShinji cannot stomach the things he did, the murder attempt is just the latest on the list.>He’s also accepted AsukaOf course he didn't, which he why he tries to kill her. Shinji doesn't accept himself in the first place.>who has accepted himStill no, self preservation and disgust. Even the short has Asuka expresses rejection of the ending and the need to rewrite it, even as a fantasy.>You’ve failed to understand the message of hope imparted onto Shinji as he left instrumentalityThe message is intended for the viewer, and Shinji seves as a warning to those of fail to reach self acceptance: Shinji ends in a hell of his own making with nowhere to run off to, hence his last attempt to run away being crying in self pity.>inherent in the caress on his faceAsuka powerless and facing death, the same situation she was in before being terminated by the MPE. She learned that defiance would only get her killed again, so she gives Shinji what he wants despite this not being her wish (made obvious in the short).>Hope existsIt's called self acceptance.>FilteredYou can't even provide counter argument. Shinji learned nothing in the movie, he only kept running away up to the last second.>He did not accept annihilation and he did not kill SoryuShinji went from using a comatose girl to makes himself feel better to trying to murder her.
>>286343613That’s so Kaworu always loops into a world with a Shinji and a Rei, which is true, as far as we know. He is destined to meet him.But the preservation across dimensions is Kaworu and Kaworu alone, aside from very brief sequences of meta-awareness from various characters. For Kaworu, his world is in a constant process of creation and destruction. Not true for anyone else (separate timelines).>Shikinami was confronted with "ORIGINAL ASUKA"That’s not Soryu, episode 27 makes it clear that they had never and could never meet.
I've actually read the threads on evageeks about this short and maritards are coping hard there. Hilarious.
Can someone tell me why people are taking seriously a comedy short that's not meant to have an official release and is just made as fan service? It's almost pathetic. Are we discussing Puchi Eva seriously next?
>>286343756The short combines comedy and serious character growth of one Asuka Langley Soryu. It's a 30th anniversary love letter to the fans that clears up a few things about the original series in a humorous way.
>>286343722>That’s so Kaworu always loops into a world with a Shinji and a ReiNo. They are the same souls. Shinji's the center of Instrumentality, and Kaworu and Rei are part of it. Shinji's the one who controls this cycle, even if he doesn't know it.>dimensionsThere are no "dimensions." Kaworu said all the successive destruction took place on the same planet. His old bodies are preserved in the Moon, and are littered there. The world ends. The world starts over. The world ends. The world starts over. >episode 27They only said they wouldn't mean "like this" aka in a comedy skit. Not that they didn't meet. Please stop fucking using a comedy skit to your source of lore because you can't accept Shinji's happiness was ultimately ending all EVA and run away with some tits glasses girl.
>>286343710>otherwise he wouldn't choke AsukaHey fucko does the movie end with him still choking her or not? That’s the moment he realizes “I need you” and Asuka expresses “I need you”. They need each other, that’s the lesson. Utter illiteracy.>obviously he didn’tObviously he did, he chose to be himself and exist in the world. That’s what rejecting instrumentality is. Self-acceptance doesn’t turn you into a fully realized ubermensch, it just how you achieve the will to live, the bedrock on which everything else is built upon afterwards. This isn’t a hollywood character turn. Filtered.>Shinji cannot stomach what he did.He can, because he ultimately did not kill Asuka. He chose a world where he must confront his actions and how he’s hurt others. He has chosen to stomach it.>Of course he didn’tOnce again you conveniently forget the movie keeps going after he starts strangling her. Had he not come back to reality and continued to reject Asuka, she’d be dead.>Self preservationNever canon, btfoed by Episode 27. The worst interpretation of EoE got destroyed forever.>Can’t provide a counter argumentNope, you can’t accept the truth so you pretend it isn’t visible.>If I poorly describe the whole movie I’m right!Bad faith cope.
>>286343861Notice Asuka never calls Rebuild Shinji, copy of Shinji, Shinji 2, she calls him SHINJI.
>>286312424What is this? Some theater exclusive new animation?
>>286343861Anno nuked your stupid shit headcanon from orbit. Rebuild was never a replacement, its its own version, separate besides Kaworu. You LOST.
>>286343907That’s his name isn’t it? She also calls EoE Shinji Shinji or the Shinji she dated and almost knocked off a cliff Shinji.You are running and hiding behind a path towards a universal retcon either out of spite or ignorance, but you lost.
>>286343153>attacking a false fear-delusion AsukaAttacking someone, attacking Asuka, because she wouldn't give him what he wants. It's all about him and what he wants, namely running away.>Always wrong, goes against her character and the lesson of EvangelionThe short is literally her shitting up headcanon to make herself feel better about what actually happened. >Placeholder dialogueDialogue Anno wrote with the intention to end the movie.>In relation to othersShinji refuses to see himself, that's why he needs to run away and hide. >he needs others and others need himShinji needs to face himself and own responsibility for his actions, all the others talk is meaningless as long as he refuses to do that. Kaworu's sacrifice in rebuild illustrates the idea perfectly, as long as Shinji won't take action while shouldering responsibilty, others will suffer (Wille is spelling it out loud).>Stop the spiral of self-destructionIt only stops when Shinji accepts himself.>Yes he doesAt the end of Rebuild, sure. Never before.>Headcanon that goes against authorial intentRebuild is proof that EoE went nowhere.>she just learned to understand EoEShe learned to accept EoE after venting her disgust and frustration about what happened there.
>>286343932You were already corrected Asuka said "SEKAI" (world), and how the translator completely butchers that line beause of his agenda.Sekai just fitting Kaworu's explanation that this planet saw countless of humanity extinction events in 3.0, the world was destroyed many times over. Even in Rebuild it was, Shinji REBUILT it.Anno was the one who said EoE is a PREQUEL to Rebuild, and Eva Final is the ENDING of the franchise. So you need to cope with this fact. Do yuo think the world lasts forever? No, it expires and then is destroyed, then later, the world is born again.>Yoko TarouWill do a story of the multiple worlds that ended like EoE did Kaworu mentioned.
>>286343636Reducing it to insults misses the point. The End of Evangelion does ask the viewer to sit with uncertainty and think through what the ending means, and that can be powerful. But difficulty does not automatically make something deeper. Rebuild of Evangelion is not an “easy answer key.” Shinji Ikari faces the people tied to his pain, takes responsibility, and chooses to end the cycle instead of staying inside it. That is not avoiding growth; it is turning understanding into action. EoE focuses on self-reflection and living with uncertainty, while Rebuild focuses on making a clear decision and moving forward. Preferring one over the other is not about maturity, it is about what kind of growth you value. And I value an ending that gives real resolution, one that lets me move on not just within the story, but from the franchise itself. As Anno did.
>>286343965There's no retcon. Because Shinji knows EOE and NGE as his past in Final. It's even in his fucking profile in the theater pamphlet. His past, not someone else past. He IS Shinji from NGE. His "soul unconsciously recognized Kaworu, and that is why he trusted him in a short time." He was so close to Rei and Kaworu immediately because he carried this karma. While Shikinami was a new person, so he didn't care for her as much as he did with Rei, for example.
>>286343966>It’s all about him and what he wantsAnd that’s the lesson he grew past in the end.>The short was Asuka spouting headcanon to cope with EoENo, the short was Asuka starting with your opinion (hopeless, running away, retreating into fantasy, no ownership over her life or responsibilities or future) and then realizing she is being RETARDED and she should live in reality, work hard and have hope. You should learn this lesson too.>Shinji needs to face himself and own responsibility over his actionsAbsolutely! And he and Asuka can get there, she’s already got him started.>It only stops when Shinji accepts himselfNo that already happened. It really only stops when he accepts others, and his duty to them, which he’s gotten his first big lesson on!>Dialogue Anno wrote with the intention to end the movie.That he determined didn’t work in the new context and is NOT canon>Never beforeYou have failed to understand Evangelion.>Rebuild is proof EoE went nowhereHeadcanon obliterated by Anno’s episode 27.>She learned to accept EoE after growing up and reframing her attitudeExactly! And Shinji-kun will too :)
>>286344020>Erm it’s worldStill confirmed separate, still isolated from each other, still has Kaworu as the ONLY one who’s treated as being a contiguous whole, still has Soryu exist next to Shikinami, still has a triumphant return to a future in the OG timeline that will exist, portrayed as a good thing and not suicide.You lost.>>286344073Correct, there is no retcon, loop autism was always wrong. Anno did not erase his work, he even continues to contribute to it.>>286344030It’s not a reduction, it’s a tool to accentuate the truth. Rebuild is the toddler version that asks nothing of you. You like that better? Great I’m happy for you. Go be free.
>>286343872>does the movie end with him still choking her or notHe chose to choke her to help himself run away.He stops choking her when he had to face himself, upon which he simply collapsed with nowhere left to run away, crying in self pity as a last resort.>That’s the moment he realizes"I'm trying to murder someone, I can't deal with that">and Asuka expressesher disgust about what she just did.>They needto be away from each otherthat’s the lesson, which Asuka ultimately accepts in the short.>he chose to be himself and exist in the worldHe chose a world by himself with no one to confront him.>That’s what rejecting instrumentality is.Shinji rejected a world where everyone could see him for what he is. The moment Asuka came back, his first move is to try to get rid of her.>Self-acceptance doesn’t turn you into a fully realized ubermenschAnyone with a hint of self acceptance would have done one of these two things: kill off Asuka and accept being a monster, or immediately apologize for your past wrongdoings and try to make amends. Also enough with the hollwood nonsense, especially when you're writing sugarcoated disney shit.>He canNope, cry in self pity, can't even finish the job.>He chose a world where he must confront his actions That was instrumentality, where everyone could see what he did and judge him.>Once again you conveniently forget the movie keeps going after he starts strangling herNope, that's why I keep mentioning the fact he can only cry in self pity as his last attempt to run away.>Had he not come back to reality and continued to reject Asuka, she’d be deadwat>btfoed by Episode 27I remember Asuka expressing her disgust about what happened to the point she needed a fantasy rewrite to cope.
>>286344020>>286344020>Asuka said "SEKAI"So, another word? Man, you are fucking dumb it's unreal>agenda Why this is cope>Anno saidNo, he never actually didn't Also, you are legit autistic and most likely arr the ume because you always say dumb shit that you get off of chat gpt
We need an Anima anime because Anima explains the cycles, and yes, they happen on the same planet. The reason they happen is because Seele or whoever IN NGE/EOE had meddled with Minus Space shit (the thing Shinji enters to rewrite in Rebuild) so Instrumentality will be endgame, but Shinji rejects it every time, so the world became trapped into this, or specificially the people who are directly involved with Instrumentality: Kaworu, Rei, Shinji, Gendo, etc. Kaworu is ensuring his memory remains because otherwise he may be used by Seele.In Rebuild, Shinji, with Mari's help, entered the Minus Space and rewrote in the Gogotha Object. All this shit was already introduced in Anima, too.
>>286344020>translator completely butchers that line beause of his agenda.Okay, this some cope and it's a high level one
Did, you know if you say shit like "translator completely butchers that line beause of his agenda." and "Anno said" you can when any argument amd not sound like a fuck schizo retard
Wait, no Anno for the new series?
>13 min short buckbroke a retard for 4 days now Eva is back
>>286344370Anno has better things to do.
>>286344135>And that’s the lesson he grew past in the endCrying in self pity for his sorry ass. >and then realizing she is being RETARDED and she should live in realityMeaning having to accept that EoE is the awful ending she hates no matter what, that her wishful headcanon is nothing but that and then she goes on to perform Shikinami's job.>And he and Asuka can get thereNope, Shinji can only cry in self pity. It means it's still all about him. Only in Rebuild does he choose to do things for others and to do so in a responsible manner.>that already happenedNope, which is why he tries to kill Asuka and goes on to cry in self pity when faces with what he is.>It really only stops when he accepts othersShinji has been accepting others ever since the first episodes. Toji and Rei are by far the best examples. It was never about accepting others, it's about accepting yourself, because without that, not only won't you ever be truly happy, you won't be able to grow up into a proper adult and will only keep harming the ones you care about.>That he determined didn’t work in the new context and is NOT canonIt's not mandatory, but it gives enough insight to figure his intention about the scene. The final line speaks the whole story anyway.>You have failed to understand Evangelion.More like you have failed to deliver the slightest counter argument.>Headcanon obliterated by Anno’s episode 27Soryu goes on to assume Shikinami's role.>And Shinji-kun will tooOf course, that's the last Rebuild movie. Why do you think the final instrumentaliy parting scene happens at the red beach?
>>286344227>Great I’m happy for you. Go be free.Thanks anon. I wish you the same.
>>286344241>He stops choking her when he had to face hi(s actions)Concession accepted, thaaaank you.>I'm trying to murder someone, I can't deal with thatNope! He recognizes the genuine human connection and realizes he almost pulled a Kaworu again and killed someone he cares about and who cares about him.>Her disgust about what he didTrue! AFTER acknowledging and understanding Shinji. Her disgust is confirmed in Episode 27 as well, but she learns to move past the disgust, as she will in universe.>He chose a world by himselfWRONG he made that choice hoping to “see them again” and was told people will return. Asuka specifically was the test, he stumbled, and then learned, as they will both have to do to live in reality.>Anyone with self acceptance would have—Taken action, which he did, and then taken another action when he realized that the himself he has accepted is still capable of error (as a human being) and he chose to be better (which will continue in the future).>Stop with hollywoodNo, because the point is true. You were challenged by a character that has to keep growing like humans do. You got filtered by reality expecting a conventional story.>NopeYep! He already shifted his worldview for the better. Do not shut out people close to you.>Shinji is running away by cryingNOPE! The exact opposite, he is sitting in where he is and what he’s done. In that moment, he has chosen a world where he CANNOT run away. Good.>I remember Asuka expressing her disgustAnd you block out Asuka learning to move past it and take life by the balls. You should move past it and hope too. That’s Anno’s intention for people like you who still struggle to understand EoE.
>>286344267>No, he never actually didn'tYes, he did? He literally told the people watch EOE because Final is the sequel when the movie was in theaters. Are you new?
Anno personally calling the kensuke fag a retard sure has been a treat.
>>286344498What a glorious time to be alive.
>>286344484>He literally toldThat wasn't Anno, you fucking retard. Jesus, you are actually fucking stupid. How the fuck can you nkt function? Nk wonder you're a retard who ships Kawoasu
>>286344498Yeah and the EoE is a bad ending with no hope fags the Asuka hates Shinji fags and the rebuild overwrites everything fagsEvery faggot lost huge, as expected of the master
>>286344475Will do! EoE was already my be free moment, but Episode 27 was a kindness that made it just a little bit better, as a parting treat.
>>286344498I don't think this is the Kensuke cuck. With the Kawoasu posting coming back this is 100%. Last time this retard showed up they bitch about phone posting which the yume does. Old fags don't even do they because everyone knows most people phone post now
>>286344227>Still confirmed separate,They are separate because EOE is a past version of the world that was before Rebuild. Both are actually from past versions of the world. In the final one, the characters are adults and have no memories of Eva aside of Mari and Shinji. You're not mean to take this meeting seriously, because it's a comedy scene.Kaworu details what happens in 3.0 which straight out is what's explained in Anima (which dwells into the cyclic nature of the planet and why). Rebuild is the end because Shinji literally enters to the Minus Space and rewrites this cyclic nature out. It's not that EOE world ends immediately after EoE, but one day it'll end, then, after million of years, the planet starts over with another take to steer everything again into Instrumentality. In Anima, Mari kept a piece which was relevant in ebuild to open the minus Space. Anima cast is aware their world will end someday, but will try to live as much until it does. Maybe not their generation, and hope a future world would finally put an end to this. Rebuild was the wrap.Shinji's soul is the same, and also a piece of Adam (Anima canon). He's not really human anymore.
>ideal ShinjiThe ideal Shinji is Kaworu according to Anno. He calls him The Second Shinji.
>>286344605>pastNooope, they didn’t say “we can’t reach each other because you are my past”. They did not reference her experience as a past. This way of experiencing Evangelion is only true for Kaworu, and the viewer. They are “separate”. That’s the word.
>>286344626Shinji’s ideal Shinji, not Asuka’s ideal Shinji.
>>286344644>>past>Nooope, they didn’t say “we can’t reach each other because you are my past”.Because it's not the past of the world, but a world that used to exist, separate from hers. But it ended. Again, the cycles were already explained Kaworu in 3.0 and Anima which introduced to a lot of the jargon used in Rebuild, including Minus Space and Mari.
>>286344478You're mistaking Shinji stopping choking as a conscious choise when he only does so because his mind collapses at the sight of what he is. This is neither growth not self acceptance, it's the opposite.>He recognizes the genuine human connection andremember Kaworu's death, the trigger of his downward spiral, he doesn't truly care about Asuka, which is why he tries to choke her to begin with (mirrors Gendo using and killing Ritsuko for his own personal gain).>AFTER acknowledging and understanding ShinjiAsuka knew all along what Shinji is, which is why she rejected him in the first place, only when faced with the threat of death does she choose to humor him to save herself.>she learns to move past the disgustShe accepts EoE fort he awful ending it is and prepares for what's to come (Rebuild, as in rebuilding).>he made that choice hoping to “see them again”Already established it was a lie, as his fantasy was a longing for the past, before Kaworu's death.>Asuka specifically was the test,which he failed utterly.>You were challenged by a character that has to keep growing like humans doIf you weren't arguing in bad faith, you'd recognize Rebuild for delivering just that, for real.>He already shifted his worldview for the betterMurder attempt and crying in self pity. Regression from the hospital scene, which was quite a low.>The exact oppositeShinji is crying in self pity the entire movie.>he has chosen a world where he CANNOT run awaySee post beginining.
>>286343182Goddamn, you've been spilling just one reading comprehension nuke after another, Rebuild enjoyer. My respect to you, Anno would be proud.
It's not been a good week for rebuild lads has it?
>>286344689Kaworu’s experience of the cycles were explained. That’s how he experiences Evangelion. Not true for the rest of the cast. Soryu’s world is separate, she was not celebrated into soul suicide. EoE Shinji was referred to as a person who was happy with his ending (Rebuild Shinji would clearly not be). Her meta awareness necessarily proves that they’re separate people.
The schizo thing about all this is you do knlw you can have both a looping universe and a muiltverse right? I mean it's not like the guy writing the new Eva made a whole muiltverse that does just that
>>286313284>>286319771>Sakurakeks are so mentally ill they check desuarchive for mentions of Rin to sperg out in unrelated threadsMental illness
>>286344705>You're mistaking Shinji stopping choking as a conscious choiseNope, you’re deliberately inserting a lack of agency into the character (just like you insert lies into a character) in order to preserve your battered and broken headcanon against all costs. You are playing God of the gaps, desperate to cling to what has clearly disintegrated in your hands.>He doesn’t care about AsukaIf he didn’t care what she would say or think he would never have reason to choke her, or reason to stop.>She accepts EoE as awfulDelulu headcanon and the exact opposite of what she said (I will find happiness with my own hands in reality).>Prepares for Rebuild*bzzt* WRONG! Soryu rejected rebuild outright and even if you cling to the debunked loop theory she could still never experience it because Soryu isn’t in rebuild.>Asuka knew all along what Shinji isAbsolute total retardation, she didn’t even understand herself before the end.>Which he failedIn the moment, yes! But Asuka was there to catch him, and through that, he’s made to learn.>Bad faithNope! I’m completely in good faith, you are the one arguing in bad faith. Rebuild has an acceptable conclusion for its version of the characters, spoonfed and safe, but it does the thing. EoE also does the thing, better.>LieHeadcanon cope to preserve your destroyed interpretation, you need characters to lie (in instrumentality when they can see the truth) and not acknowledge it Lmao
I don't know why you'd bother arguing with the Asushin zealots that swarm 4chan of all places and expect to have discussions in good faith. They've never accepted the loop canon then despite the overwhelming evidence and won't do it now.
>>286344800Kaworu loops through the multiverse, with Shinji instances as the target of commonality (reducing a larger infinity into a more defined one).
>>286323455Rin>Asuka. Deal with it faggot. Asuka is still toptier of course.
>>286344930You got reamed by Anno’s episode 27. We were never the unreasonable zealots, you were. The only reason the walls of schizocope have returned instead of kenspam is because the short affirmed the proper understanding to everyone. Cope.
>>286344963>We were never the unreasonable zealotsNo, you definitely are. You live in a world all your own. If you ever bothered to venture outside your bubble, you might have known.
>>286345010Projection. The proper interpretation of EoE and Soryu’s character was rewarded and yours was not. That’s the way the cookie crumbled.
I think the schizo has legit started crying that his headcanon was confirmed as being false
>>286345010>>286344963Why are you making autistic statements while also being the schizo who's been spamming the thread non-stop for 4 days now
>>286345038As if you needed this short to deny, with no real basis, the entire point of the whole Eva and loops theory. You don't and you never have, you had already made up your mind decades ago. You would never accept it no matter how much evidence you were given or how much Anno pushed for seeing the Rebuild loops as an essential answer to his own art.
>>286345067Demolishing schizocope is neither spamming nor schizo.
>>286344913Shinji only made one conscious choice in the epilogue: get rid of Asuka (see his fingers digging into her throat).>in order to preserve your battered and broken headcanon against all costsAsuka is the one who had to come up with ooc wishful headcanon to make the awful asfter taste of EoE go away.>If he didn’t care what she would say or think he would never have reason to choke her, or reason to stop.Shinji goes for the throat since instrumentality, by then everything was said and done: Asuka is a mean to an end to him. He stop choking her the moment he's faced with himself and his mind breaks down.>Delulu headcanon and the exact opposite of what she said (I will find happiness with my own hands in reality)Asuka says she'll go back to pilot the eva. Rebuild is coming up. >Absolute total retardationYou'd think Shinji going for the throat the first time would give her a clue. Maybe Asuka really is a retard.>In the momentShinji crying in self pity tells us it's all about him. It's all him running away with no hint of stopping.>you need characters to lie (in instrumentality when they can see the truth)Rei's face is hidden for a purpose, to show us Shinji needs to hide the truth from her (she can see it).
>>286345083The text was already clear from the beginning, but it sure was nice to get a head pat from the author in the form of that short. Not to confirm anything new, but to deconfirm the people who are stubbornly wrong.
It's no wonder all the Rei and Kaworu keks left. Asuka keks are fucking insane.
>>286345103Last, time you tried that your dumbass outed yourself using 4chx
>>286345131Yeah, sure buddy. I'm sure there was never any indication that Eva is a story about looping, it was always, all, wild misdirection.
>>286345083So what you are saying is that Anno is a retard who decided to rewrite his own universe into a more dogshit retard version of it with none of the depth and a hackneyed ending to spite his fans and pissed all over his artistic achievement in EoE for the sake of meaningless dogshit. How is this supposed to reflect well on you?
>>286345158Also here's the screenshot the retard took himself. If you don't know, you can freely add and remove (You)s off a post with 4chx. It's literally the biggest sign the retard is shitposting and samefagging
>>286345119>Shinji only made one conscious choice in the epilogue: get rid of AsukaStopped reading the post at this point. You are retarded and didn't understand shit.
Someone make a new threadNo, I will not post in the worst girl thread
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>>286345119>Shinji only made one conscious choice in the epilogueBaseless headcanon forcing unconsciousness because you don’t want Shinji to have made that decision in order to preserve your headcanon.>Since instrumentalityAnd it mirrors on the beach, Asuka is not his fear delusion, she cares for him and he cares for her. He stops before he pulls another Kaworu.>Asuka is a means to an end to himIf he didn’t care about her he wouldn’t do anything to her (or have any of his previous thoughts and struggles over her).>Rebuild is coming upSoryu cannot experience Rebuild and with meta knowledge she knows this. Once again you need a character to lie to preserve your headcanon. She is taking her fighting spirit to grab EoE’s end ball the balls and make her happiness real.>Maybe Asuka is a retardShe’s just as broken as he is, and she’s in love. Laugh at her all you want but it’s the truth. She’s a better person than you.>It’s all about himFalse, hence Asuka getting the final line. One More Final is about the both of them.>Rei’s face is hiddenBecause she’s ascended to Quantum Rei and that is her relation to reality now.You’ve retreated into a cave of cope, but the light exists if you ever wish to be honest.
so what is physically happening in EoTV anyway?
>>286345171Eva is not a story “about” dimensional looping.>>286345158>>286345215Not everyone who thinks you are a retard is the same person. Boogieman posting is cope.
>>286345287Instrumentality. Shinji accepts himself, regains the will to live, and will return to reality.
>>286345103>>286345299My, bad. I actually was paying attention clicked on the wrong posts. I was talking to the other retard who want shut the fuck up
>Short is still causing meltdownsAnno’s still got it
That was funSee you guys next thread
>>286345369I figured. My only crime is responding to schizos.
