Top tier according to volume 9.
Now that Strange/Fake Gilgamesh jobbed (again) and lost the aura points Babylonia gave him. Only a CCC anime can help him regain his aura
I love Passionlip and her gigantic oversized boobies
I do not care about El-Melloi's classroom
>>286579415Based but Passionlip is not a Strange Fake character.
>>286579396This is bs but I believe it.
So Shirou could just trace the Key of Babylon and shut down like 50% of Gil's arsenal?
>>286579402>More SakuraNO!
>>286579439Its not a sword nor a weapon, so no.
>>286579418I hope the police detain and deport them.
>Enter twitter>search for reviews of the latest episode>Gilgamesh is a joke to the Japanese
The anime went above and beyond, making more pathetic than the LNwhich greatly make Ishtar look so glorious after she smugly fucked over himYou just know she waited the entire time just to screw him at that particular moment
So why is John alive again?And also, how did Flat know Alcides would absorb Jack's NP?
>>286579462DUMAS RETCONNED THE BROKEN NECK
>>286579462>And also, how did Flat know Alcides would absorb Jack's NP?.. Sir, are you retarded?
>>286579462He didn’t He simply took advantage of it
Jack resting on Flat's lap was cute.
>>286579462Flat just worked with the hand he's been dealt withSince Alcides already stole Jack's NP, he might as well make use of that to fuck him over
>>286579475I understood that he had hid a harmful spell in the NP and now that spell was inside Alcides, did I get that wrong?
>>286579494No, he did that after the NP was stolen. He tracked the path of magical energy through Jack, through From Hell, and into Alcides's Spirit Origin.
>>286579402>Animated KiaraYES!
>>286579509Oh okay, I was thinking something along the lines of Mayuri hiding a thing inside Nemu in Bleach
>>286579456I haven't seen any Gojo edits yet
>Apocrypha factions>Strange fake/real>einherjar double servant systemIsn't 7 masters and 7 servants enough to move an story without double down?
My wife btw
>>286579456He has been for twenty years, get with the program
>>286579527Apocrypha did that because it's the leftovers of a MMO project.Strange Fake did that because that's how Narita does it.
>>286579545>Apocrypha did that because it's the leftovers of a MMO project.lolwuthow would that even work
>>286579402Sadly a CCC anime would 100% use Nero because Nasu can't let go of her
>>286579366>AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SAVE ME ENKIDU!!!!!!!HOW FUCKING PATHETIC CAN GILKEK GET?
>>286579462>So why is John alive again?Because he's a god damn hero. And heroes don't lose to the bad guy
>>286579553Literally a MOBA
>>286579402>animated Passionlip Yippie!
>>286579553It was like ProtoFGO where every Master would somehow pick or get a servant and fight with it through the story. I don't think it ever got past the idea phase because it would be pretty hard to do and TM can't into videogames.
Could any artfag replace hinako with ishtar, pyramid head with gil then james with alcides? Then you could replace the pipe with the babylonian key.
>>286579553You'd make a Master and summon a servant in game. Then play the game. But this was 2010 and Nasu could only get Sony to release psp games
Altera is hilarious. She is either flat or saggy AF
>alcideskeks hype this episode>he jobs to fucking john and only manages to get a lucky hit on gil thanks to ishtar, who is the one who actually beat him with true berserker
>https://x.com/i/status/2030291010245591086Where is that retarded Richardkek from a few weeks ago? I'd like to make fun of him
>>286579622>beat him with true berserkeranon, I have bad news for youHuwawa actually saved GilIf left alone, Hydra poison would kill GilBut Huwawa's curse counteracted Hydra poison and that's why Gil is still breathing now
>>286579535Why is she so angry
>>286579622>He jobs to fucking john>They did not defeat him despite all their collective efforts>After using the hydra's venom, they lost all belief in victory and sought to escape>Alcides loses interest in them and leavesNo matter how hard you try to create a narrative, the novel will not let you lie. Alcides remains undefeated.
>>286579402I'd rather have LB6
>>286579655He ran away from two normal ass humans lmao
>>286579439Only gods can close it which is why Gil left it in the first place, who would've guessed that a whore like Ishtar would revive, pick up the key and close it at that exact moment?
>>286579527Einhejar is 8 servants 4 masters
So Alcides could just steal Dumas' fanfiction plot armor np right?
>>286579644Lmao. I knew Narita would stick to the claim that Achilles was the fastest servant. Yes, you could argue that he is the fastest passively, etc. But Narita would be unable to try to surpass something already stated in previous works.
>>286579655>IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!Alcideskeks becoming Gilkeks in real time
>>286579678Shirou could just let the key go on autopilot to close it.
>>286579690That requires Dumas to stop hiding himself which he would never consider since he's just a shitter
>>286579439you need to have knowledge about gil to begin with, who very few do. then you need to know about the key and how it works. Ishtar, being a mesopotamian happens to know.
>>286579678>who would've guessedGil would've if he wasn't such a retard and actually used his clairvoyance
>>286579677>Your narrative>What the novel says >>286579655You're exposed now. You can no longer keep up your lie.
>>286579678There's no limitations that only gods can use it, only someone familiar with it can use it like any other mystic code.Shirou could use it, the real matter is that Shirou has never seen the front gate key and it's extremely unlikely for him to ever see it considering it was in that magus guy's family forever.
Has there ever been a servant who actually got killed by someone exploiting their achilles' heel? I feel like every time they just use that plot point to fake you out
>>286579694Dioscuri should be faster than Achilles since they could actually turn into light for light speed though.
Being an Archer doesn't mean you will be GARcher.
>>286579712>he didn't run away he just ran in the opposite directionOk bro
>>286579695Kick and cry all you want. It won't change what the novel says. >>286579695
Why didn't she use a CS to rescue jobber gil if she was doing fuck all watching, lmao
>>286579712>hm suddenly I am no longer interested on doing what i was about to do after getting stabbed with the hurty knifeThey won. Their objective was to keep him away from the hospital, and they did it
>>286579443UBW isn't limited sword and weapons. Archer was projecting random day-to-day stuffs, but it isn't as efficient as swordsThough, it's useless anyway since only Gods like Ishtar can close it.
>>286579714Also Shirou's visual tracing is only for bladed weapons, for everything else he needs to be up close and personal with it, and there's NO WAY GilgaJOB would let MY FUARKING HERO touch his key
>>286579722Alcides is supposed to be a dead man walking after getting poisoned, I think he has like three days before he dies and thats because Herc has godly willpower.
>>286579644THE FASTEST
>>286579734she's retarded and a woman.
>>286579366this is now my fav music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffE1-RTTpTE
>>286579722It's a reach, but Jabberwock gets instantly slaughtered by the Vorpal Sword in Fate/Extra, I guess.
>>286579745Why is he the faster than Atalante, whose whole myth was about being so fast her future husband had to cheat to marry her?
>>286579535>she sees my penis
>>286579644>The one Servant who has been referred to as the fastest with no other statement to contredic them is actually faster then RichardWow...
>>286579743Three days is more than enough to level an entire city if Alcides tries
>>286579722Achilles himself in ApocAlso I'm sure it happens a bunch of times in FGO but I can't recall right now
>>286579762She was fast back when he wasn't born yet
>>286579772Sit down man, Alcides can't even keep a man dead after killing him lmao
>>286579722Vlad getting baptized by Amakusa after turning into Dracula might count.
>>286579644>>286579694Why the fuck would Richard be faster than Achilles? Achilles being the fastest comes from a Noble Phantasm, Richard is a mere Servant skill.
>>286579545>leftovers of a MMO project.we should have got that instead FGO
>>286579728>>286579736>In his cope, he blatantly ignores everyone's acceptance of defeat after seeing the result of the last attack.>He ignores what the novel says about Alcides losing interest in them>He continues to lieIt's over. You can't lie anymore. >>286579655
>>286579734She stopped being a character after her introduction.
>He fled
>>286579460lol, get turned off, nerd
>>286579722You could argue Herc getting melted in HF is somewhat similar to him burning to death in poison
>>286579644This doesn't prove anything. All he said is that Richard's initial speed isn't faster than Achiles just because it's EX. There is still nothing that refutes that Richard would catch up to or even surpass Achilles with enough time
>>286579775He gets nerfed in LB5 when his heel gets injured, idk if this counts.
>>286579722Diarmuid ua Duibnhe was betrayed by his sword lord after inadvertently seducing his lord's lady.
>>286579723And Dantes can stop timeAnd Karna has FTL punchesAnd iirc they wrote Achilles out from competing with Melusine in a foot race
>>286579805You'd just be complaining about that game rather than complaining about FGO.
>>286579807>start a fight to reach the hospital>get shown up by shitters>'suddenly' 'lose interest' on doing what you came here to do in the first place after getting an ouchieI guess the fox also 'lost interest' on the grapes lmao
>>286579833
>>286579807>Alcides comes to kill Tsubaki>he fails to do so>he loses Cerberus, gets killed once and gets poisoned>doesn't get a single kill and flees>h-he actually won!!!Alcideskeks are funny, truly the new Gilkeks
>>286579841>slight variation to show the broken blade on the last tracekek
>>286579824His last stand was goodI wish Atlantis got an anime adaptationToo bad it's tied with Olympus
>>286579839>>'suddenly' 'lose interest'This shitposting tactic doesn't work against omniscient narration you know? That's exactly what happened.
>>286579839It doesn't matter how you negotiate this. That's what the novel says >>286579655You can't lie anymore.
>>286579780Now that's cheating.
>>286579835I know you are right but you shouldn't have pointed it
>>286579844God, non-Rin Ishtar is so fucking hot, it's the first time I've ever been so hard for an Ishtar. I am not even joking, seeing her on screen gives me a healthy boner. This is the first time I understand why she is called goddess of fertility. Makes me feel like a young man again.
So is Prelati just useless? What kind of offensive powers does he have? His np is just illusions
>>286579535i wish there was porn of youre wife
>>286579866Yes, the novel says he came to assault the hospital and the hospital was left unassaulted after he 'lost interest' kek>i'm taking my bow and arrow and going home!
Neo-Gil will RAPE Alcides!
>>286579892Basically useless. Just a powerful long term illusion NP which is good at interfering but bad at killing.
>>286579460Gilkeks on suicide watch.
>>286579844>>286579896You waste your time giving your opinions. Your opinion cannot compete with what the novel says >>286579655
>>286579775>Serenity tried to use poison against Tristan>Chaldea tried to destroy Quetz' sun pyramid>DARK JESUIT SORCERY Amakusa got BTFO because he named Edo castle with 'Edo'>Lobo's trap in Shinjuku>Sigurd used Gram on Surtr who got Fafnir's trait>Chaldea used a blindspot to weaken Godjuna>the majority of summer 5 (horror villains got outmaneuvered)
>>286579892Well, there's a neat section in the novel where he traps someone in an illusion world while the real world goes on, leaving that person completely unprotected.And since he can make 'real' illusions, he can probably create something like a real demon to fight.
>>286579752Honestly I don't care how butchered and cut up the anime is, this song alone salvages it.
>>286579898Nugil's submissive pussy will drain Alcides's saint graph out of his dick hole. He solos.
>>286579918You're correct, the novel says he ran away from the hospital he had come to attack, after being succesfully repelled. That is indeed literally what happens
How come huwawa one shots Gil and he didn't even utter his name once more
>>286579775Heel pierced Achilles still achieved a mutual kill with Atalante boosted by the pelt. Losing protection and 2/3 his speed give him underdog boost in exchange
>shuts off gates of babylon>Immediately becomes powerless to the point that he may as well be an npcReally gilfags? Really? This is who you dicksuck so much?
Where's Faldeus? An entire neighbourhood is being destroyed
>>286579934Let's be real here, what the fuck would Seibah do if she lost Excalibur, or Cu if he lost Gay Bulge?
gilbros they're laughing at us again...
>alcides nine lives on screen>does nothingWhy are they like this
>>286579834Achilles is the fastest Servant on foot. Dantes flies. Karna is a gag event. Dioscuri turned into light he is not running.
>>286579934I've been a Gil dicksucker since I first read FSN 15 years ago.
>>286579934Name 1 (one) Servant who wouldn't lose to multiple peer opponents after losing their np.
>>286579941Ending a call with the White House after confiming with the president that yes, they can totally use this to justify a couple more wars in the middle east
>>286579963Unironically Medea
>>286579945Cu is a real hero (unlike Seiba), he can still fight without his spear. He also still has rune magecraft.
>>286579366I want to see HIS Divinity-mixed Nine Lives Fuck AlcidesHe denied us an actual proper use of Divinity skill in Fate
>>286579945>SeibaSummon Rhon just like how she killed Mo>CuTie his intestine around a tree
>>286579945>what the fuck would Seibah do if she lost ExcaliburGo up several inches in bust size and height
>Gil "dies">Become what Alcides fantasize to beKino?
>>286579963EMIYA
>>286579945Seibah still has invisible air which could enchant a basic ass sword to C rank and possibly even more if she uses mana burst. She never really used Excaliblast that much during her fsn fights
>>286579963Sasaki Kojirou
>>286579926>Now he is unable to use his narrative again.I have already proven your lie. Why would you think I would discuss anything else with someone who has already proven themselves to be a liar? You no longer have any credibility.
>>286579949It's supposed to be a back-and-forth between GoB and Nine Lives but I guess they had no time for thatThey REALLY wanted to end episode with Ishtar spitting on Gil
>>286579934In the ln Gilgamesh actually grabbed some sword he had fired to block but Huwawa's scream distracted him. I don't know why they changed to him just standing around doing nothing like a retard since the narration straight up says that Ishtar turning off GoB isn't a insta-win against Gil
>>286579977>Summon Rhon just like how she killed MoThis might be one of the funniest moments in all of Fate for me. Before Apoc, every single time we saw that scene depicted the spear looked completely different, Clarent looked completely different and the way they fought each other looked completely differentThen here comes Apoc and FGO and all of a sudden the Rhongo looks like an insane MMORPG endgame raid gear drop, and Mo's helmet fucking explodes off her head when she gets lightly pokedLike damn seiba did none of this register every other time you flashed back to this?
>>286579963Berserker Lancelot still has Arondight if he loses KoO and vice versa lol.Alcides still has King's Order if he loses Nine Lives.Achilles can lose the chariot, his immortality, his shield, literally any of them and he would still rape his enemies with the remaining NPs.It's not that hard to find when your Servant is actually, you know, strong.
>>286579975where can i read the manga now that mangadex is utterly garbage
>>286579941>Where's Faldeus? An entire neighbourhood is being destroyedHe was, entirely accidentally, foiling a supervillain plot that was underway to take over the US government using mageccraft mindecontrol. He was wondering why so many people ended up dying when he only ordered True Assassin to kill ONE guy.
>>286579997Why are you trying to contradict the novel, anon? It says it real clear there, word for word: He came to attack the hospital, and failed to do so! Are you saying that's not what happens in the novel?
I wonder if ChatGPT could crank out a better translation for El-Melloi and Fate/Zero than what we have now. It'd be a pain in the ass to do manually, but hey, so long as it works. Better than being stuck with "taste of slaughter" and a guy who admits he hardly speaks moon.Then again, some people are doing a revised translation of Fragments, so maybe those will come after the fact? One can hope.
>>286580034weebdexhttps://weebdex.org/title/6mdl05ph2u/fatestrange-fake
>>286580011>the narration straight up says that Ishtar turning off GoB isn't a insta-win against GilThe narration never says this btw.
>>286579722medb nearly gets slimed by a block of cheese like in her myth
>>286580038Why are you being so disingenuous?
>>286580069Why are you going out of you way to disagree with that the novel says? I just can't understand
Reminder that Shirou is stopping nuclear bombs in Iran now and is about to be hung by glowwie later on.
The entire key thing for the GoB is extremely retarded and the result of hadk writing. Japs are too subhuman to understand proper storytelling.
>>286579945>would Seibah do if she lost Excaliburmake a human genome specimen spaceship, is one possibility.>>286580005and what was supposed to be Gil's kamehameha shit?
>>286580081I'm not even the same guy. I'm trying to understand. You get enjoyment out of pretending to be retarded?
I miss RedmanI miss CuI miss MedeaI miss SasakiI miss Medusa
>>286580038I'm done with you >>286579655 There's nothing more to discuss with a liar. You have zero credibility, and from now on, you don't deserve anyone's time.
>>286580092Why is Seiba is hot?
>>286580068lmao there were like 7-8 Servants spending days to build a catapult to snipe Medb with a block of cheese when she's bathing and she literally kicked it away.Being Nasu's favorite has a lot of benefits.
The more I learn about FGO the more stupid it sounds
>>286580097Each of these guys? Apparently counters one of FSF servants according to Narita
>>286580097>I miss MedeaThat one is not getting back, bro
>>286579734>Why didn't she use a CS to rescue jobber gil if she was doing fuck all watching, lmaoShe was put into Master duty last minute. She was suppose to die with all her brothers and sisters, but was kept alive when they heard the grail war was happening and she was suitable as a Master. Tina had crash course training to be a Master and we don't know how rushed a job it was.
>>286580092Imagine her ramming her spear up your ass…
>>286580118How would Pale Rider be countered?
>>286580118who the fuck even Redman counter?
>>286580118>according to NaritaDude can barely count to fiveWho cares what he thinks
>>286580140Gilgamesh and Sigma, duh.
>>286579892he gave his notebook to gilles so he can basically only cast powerful illusions.
>>286580061thank you anonGOD
>>286580106I don't know anon, you just keep trying and trying to go against what the novel explictly states over and over, I don't think you're in any position to talk about credibility
>>286580118Garcher? OBLITERATES Herc
>>286580115If Lancelot had touched that catapult Medb's leg would have been shattered like Dio's leg did against Jotaro.
>>286580140Dumas obviously.>there is no rule that my fake cannot surpass your fake
>>286580116>The more I learn about FGO the more stupid it soundsWell at least it is a legit use of Servants. They are literally at the end of time, and as the last of Humanity the humans get to call aid from the Throne of Heroes to protect human history. That is far more Noble than some Gladiatorial games for fame and prizes.
>>286580149>Dude can barely count to fiveIs this an inside joke?
>>286580154>implying FSF Gil would let him use UBW
>>286580176>lancelot doing anything usefullolMedb would fuck him up
>>286580065I embellished a little. The point is that despite his GoB getting turned off, Gilgamesh still tried to put up a fight with the little he had and only started to freak out because Huwawa pulled up. By making him go full deer-in-headlights mode as soon as Ishtar turns it off, it's basically doing the exact opposite of what the scene tried to convey
Why didn't Enkidu save his bf?
>>286579886She's so crazy not even Gil could deal with her. Millennia later, she's there to get her revenge for refusing her and cucks him royally. I must admire her dedication, crazy bitches are exactly this way and this is why, for thousands of years, men were warned by their fathers NOT to stick dick in crazy.
Wouldn't Gil's weakness be snakes and serpents since his hard found immortal herb got eaten by one?
At least our heroes won't let us down!
>Look up FGO Medb>She is drawn by that author that like to write about roasties.Holy kek.
>>286580196Gil will always accommodate his opponent so that he can job as hard as possible.
>>286580214he already helpednot his fault Gil is such a powerless bottom the moment he couldn't use his toys
>>286580214He's too embarrassed at his friend's jobbery and would rather hang out with his new friend Richard.
>>286580200Literally the strongest Servant in 1 vs 1 as long as he uses Arondight according to Nasu btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgqWNBB-4s0Kino BGM
Never mind who is the strongest, who is the most heroic of heroic spirits? Like the paragon of the heroic ideal
>>286580220RoT but without the author favoritism
>>286580216Gil did just that and refused to stick his dick in crazy but he still got fucked up.
>>286580220These guys? running purely on the rule of FUN and COOLFuck More Paladins of Charlie when? Fanfic KORT is way more fun than the OG
>>286580244Garcher
>>286580242>RKDS>ARu-Kei-De-SHeh
>>286580244No jokes: Astolfo
>>286580244Proto Arthur
>>286580214>Why didn't Enkidu save his bf?Huwawa's blast clearly isn't THAT easy to block. Especially doing it while working from home. If Enkidu was physically present he would have pushed Gil out of the way.
>>286579366Why has Jesus never been summoned as a servant?
>>286580269He can make Holy Grails
>>286580244Depends on how you define it.
>>286580244>was so heroic that the edgelord mobster just wanted to corrupt him to get the job donewho else
>>286580284>can be corruptedHeroism-jobs to Jannu I fear
>>286580269Ask them how the guys from Record of Ragnarok did it.
>>286580097>I miss MedusaThis. We need a rider-oneesan with a non-rapey debuff or new to magecraft master. Imagine a full power Medusa.
>>286580266>Lets his master kill hundreds of innocents because he's too much of a pussy to confront herNo.
I want Ishtar to step on me.
>>286580244>Never mind who is the strongest, who is the most heroic of heroic spirits? Like the paragon of the heroic idealFor the classic King Arthur theme we have Galahad. The greatest of the knights of the round table. Although he was only the greatest because every author wanted to make their own GOAT OC and Galahad was just the very last knight to be added in a chain of alleged greatest knights.Which is why Mash acts like Captain America in her fighting game.
>>286580303She's Shirou's fourth wife
>>286580244Charlemagne is probably up there. IMO I'd put Castoria in the mix too, despite how much she really doesn't want to be the hero, she simply cannot stop
>>286580303>non-rapey debuffIndeed, non-rapey is a debuff.
>>286579366Why is edgymafia on the same level as Enkidu and Gilgamesh?
>>286580333Why would we need one, Asakawa still works as Rider when she wants to.
>>286580298No matter what happened, Yumesisters won
>"I use my command spell to have Gilgamesh teleport to where the woman dropped the key for GoB!"There you go Tine, I did your job for you and saved your Servant. You had all the information necessary.
Okay but how does Gil recover from this.
>>286580351Sorry, i had Rider confused with Medea due to a brainfart.
>does close to nothing with the occasional voodoo illusions>wins anywayHow does shehe do it?
>>286580349Bazdilot can now use Gugalanna's lightning bolts thanks to his connection with Alcides. Lightning bolts that can destroy servants.
>Cringe godess with deus ex machina shows up>Gilgaking gets moggedShit episode
>>286580312Nah Fate Galahad is autistic, he's too much of a Lawfag to the point he's kinda heartless. He did save my wife Lilith though.
How strong is Fransesca compared to her servant self? She was weak enough to job to Touko multiple times over when Touko struggles against mid tier caster like Medea
>>286580383He doesn't. There's nothing left to recover from this clown.
>>286580383A night with Tine and Enkidu will fix him
How would Okita do in Strange Fake I like her
>>286580368Kariya died with all his 3 CS and I didn't see you complain. All he has to do is use them for mana and Lancelot would have won the war with only Gil left to fight.
>>286580261sawano loves his wordplay titles
>>286580283unironically someone like shirou or kerry or john, someone who would sacrifice themselves to do the right thing but also the wit/resources/strength so they arent cucked at every turn
>>286580433>japshitter>in America where there is no territory buff to make up for how WEAK japs are
>Alcides shot Nine Lives>Cu automatically dodged it with Protection from Arrow>Cu used Gae Bolg>Alcides died because the pelt didn't cover his entire bodyTine should have summoned the better Servant
>>286580433She's fodder bro
>>286580415Movie HF Gil is the worst one by far. At least in SF he jobbed against a literal goddess.
Should I watch this
>>286580433'very good at swordmanship' cannot really measure up to the bullshit SF servants pull, sadly
>>286580295She got mindbroken by Shakespeare pretty fast, I bet Francesca could corrupt her given enough time.
>>286580478Only if you have prior investment in the Fate series
>>286580433Beats Dumas and Prelati, maybeeee No Name
>>286580481ActuallyOkita can summon all shinsengumi with her Makoto Flag but sadly they are just nips without any fame on US land
>>286580244Loli JackKilling foids is the epitome of heroism
>>286579366>they had to 4v1 gil while he was distracted beating another servantholy STRONGnot even dead btw
>>286579892Prelati is extremely powerful.Narita stated Nasu told him the ability to fool the texture of the world is a level impossible for a normal Servants' NP.
>>286580511Enkidu literally went and saved Gilgamesh from Alcides.
>>286579655he was on the verge of death and ran away kek
>>286580518Only in FSF timeline.He can't do that normally
>>286579366all weaks to fsnchads servants according to narita easy counter
>>286580529Seems only fair since Alcides couldn't land a hit without mommy Ishtar to carry his ass
>>286580529after Ishtar saved Alcides from Gilgamesh btw
>>286580244>releases the mana battery slaves >doesn't even care if it disadvantages him>3 command spells couldn't even make him kill the innocent
>>286580484Apocrypha Jeanne? Sure. Post FGO Jeanne? No way in hell.
>>286580511>THE STRONGE-----AAAAACK
>>286580478Yes, it’s very goodBut if it’s your first Fate then no
>>286580414>when Touko struggles against mid tier caster like MedeaOnly "in a magecraft battle by modern standards".Thing is Touko fights using her puppets.
>dude fuck goda>p-please help me ishtar i am too weak…Alcides is such a strange character
What the fuck has True Assassin even done?
This fight was literally "our HEROES... and Alcides"
abraham lincoln solo FSF
>>286580550he’s too insane for the command spell to workMost of Charlie’s buddies are like that
>>286580575Assassinate USA's enemies
>>286580536We're talking about Prelati from the FSF timeline...
>>286580550I really hate whenever he's reduced to 'le retard femboy' in FGO because he's legit a very likeable character whenever he's being a hero. Fortunately Traum proved he still has it in him
>>286580214Enkidu is embarrassed that Gil keeps using their sex toys as weapons. He got embarrassed further seeing Gil really is useless without his sex toys and becomes a 100% bottom once somebody actually opposes his sexual deviancy.
>>286580244Heracles is literally called Hero of Heroes in an instance or two. He's the pinnacle of what it means to be a Heroic Spirit
>>286580550>3 command spells couldn't even make him kill the innocentHercules is such a loser.
>>286580414>top 5 all time>mid tier caster
>>286580368Isn’t that the whole point?She relied entirely on Gil and got punished for it, especially when you compare her with Flat and Jack’s performance Gilgamesh is also at fault his
>>286580594you are mentally ill
Where the fuck are they gonna end the anime? Originally I thought they would end it with Gil's "death" but I don't know anymore. Ishtar creating her temple?
>>286580550One of the extremely few Servants to ever get to legit reincarnate after winning a grail war btw, didn't even crash out about it like Roman either
Medea is a shitter
>>286580596Shame he always jobs lol
>>286580609King Banquet for the ultimate shitpost
>>286580609Fate/zero recap.
>>286580609This version of Ishtar is genuinely so much cooler than FGO's
>>286579366whoops wrong image
>>286580597Astolfo? lived his life without regretHeracles? His entire life was Hera’s plaything
>>286580631Everything is coller than FGO.
>>286580632Didn't they state Richard and Hippolyta are on the same rank or did I shit that out
>>286580640Sounds like a skill issue to me. Should've had more whimsy
>>286580589Such as...?
>>286580511>Alcides takes on 1 vs 12 and then continues with two more fights in a row>He anticipates surprise attacks>He is not defeated>Gilgamesh did not foresee a surprise attack>Die miserablyWeaked.
>>286580651They stated Hippo on horseback equals Richard's speed. Otherwise she mogs him as a HS
>>286580554>Jet fuel can melt steel beamsAIEEEEEE
>>286580609Richard finding his wish or Flat getting America’dI thought they’d end with too
>>286579892It can fool the world's texture. Remember that one texture swap can bleach the entire fucking planet. He can fuck with the texture on a smaller scale. The illusions are basically temporary reality warping.
>>286580609Smugshtar is best shtar.
It’s funny how we NEVER see Hera in FateNot even in FGO
>>286580651That tier is bogus. She's actually weaker than Richard in base but she becomes stronger when using her NP. It'd make more sense to either have them on the same tier than one below the other
>>286580551>"post-FGO Jeanne"Anon, servants don't carry over character development between summons outside of Chaldea.
>>286580368They point that out in the LN, Tine thought Gil was invincible and forgot to actually act like a Master.
>>286580666>1 vs 12They were a bunch of jobber humans lol, he even got outsmarted by flat and caught off guard by john
>>286580698You know who else we don't see? Altrouge
>>286580666>1 vs 12lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>286580700Hippo straight up matches his speed on horseback and has superior stats with Goddess deployed. I don't know why you think Richard is her equal.
>be an archer>jobexplain this to me
>>286580393>cringe teenager with deus ex machina powers shows up >Gilgajob gets mogged Why does it keep repeating itself, Gilkeksisters? We were supposed to be the STRONGEST?!
>>286580716And then you just know Alter Ego Gil wouldn’t even play with her since he’s a heartless jerk
>>286580637I can admit she looks pretty cool here even though I don't like her.
>>286580667>>286580743To be fair Richard's final trump card would be him summoning his entire retinue
>Jack in a "small" city like Snowfield is already strong enough to BTFO hercHow strong he'd be in a dense metropolitan like Tokyo?
>>286580712>They were a bunch of jobber humans lolYou mean like the one that beat Gilgajobber in FSN?
>>286580609Our heroes' entrance
>>286580743Richard is the main character's servant and Saber is the strongest class. There is nothing to discuss, you are just plain wrong.
>>286580666Alcidesfags are slowly morphing into the new Gilfags lmao
>>286580779>he's accounting for Plot Armor in rankings instead of being objectiveimagine being a brainlet
>>286580648>CollerEsl retard underage
>>286580415Why does Gil act like a macho man, just to get beaten by women? Was that his plan from the very beginning?
>>286580775I HATE EL MELLOII HATE EL MELLOII HATE EL MELLOII HATE EL MELLOII HATE EL MELLOIPIECES OF SHIT WERE EASILY THE WORST PART OF THE STORY BECAUSE NARITA KEEPS SUCKING THEM
>>286580775Obama couldve just denied their visa
>>286580775I don't know nor care about any of these people except Rin and Luvia
>>286580796His master is an impressionable little girl, he wants to show off a lot.
>>286580774>extreme diff against 1% of Gil's power>needed redman's assistance and the holy grail itself because he couldnt even kill himNever lost a 1v1 btw w-we don't talk about Sakura
>>286580775I'm 3/4 into volume 7 and they haven't appeared yet. It's not happening.
>>286580417ngl I feel bad for this version of Gil. He doesn't feel like a wanton murdering maniac.
>>286580775Svin will never fuck Gray
>>286579366I understand that Alcides is a servant who climbs the ranks of power. But where would his power base rank? Would he be considered a top servant?
>>286580822To be fair, sakura is the answer to most servants.
>>286580775SLUTSSLUUUUUUTS
>>286580666lol
>>286580822Sakura needed the whole ass Grail to beat him so it also doesn't count
>>286580823Anon, they adapted almost an entire volume this episode
>>286580822>1% of Gil's power>literal Ea in handLMAOOOOOO
>>286580825Beacuse regular Gil isn't a murdering maniac, that's just FSN's version because he got blackpilled by Kirei
>>286580705FGO wanks her original base feats to high heaven.
>>286580851Because volume 5 was so action scene-heavy.Volume 6 and most of 7 is character-focused, they can't pull the same trick.
>>286580850>the whole ass GrailUsing your servant (angra manyu) to power you up is fine!We still laugh at saber for it!
>>286580858I honestly dont get why didnt Gil pull his armor before anything else, much less Ea in that situation.Feels like his golden armor could tank anything Shirou throw at him as long as he didnt copy the more dangerous NPs from his GoB
>>286580851They didn’t actually. They haven’t even finished volume 5 yet
>>286580825FSN Gil got really bad because he hanged around modern humanity too long.
>>286580050is machine translation really viable for something like the nasuverse? seems like it'd get confused with all the terminology and characters being thrown around. idk how well ai handles these things
>>286580874Doesn't erase her getting owned by Shakes.Also there's Dark Jeanne in Samurai Remnant, but I didn't play that one so I don't know the context.
>>286580822>It doesn't count, he needed the assistance of a servant!>He conveniently ignores that the police were assisted by Caster, Hypolita and Jack and Flat FusionThat's why gilfags are a joke.
>>286580890>>286580858Ea can destroy the reality marble without targeting Shirou himself, like we saw against Iskandar. He was probably gonna break UBW and go back to beating him with normal weapons. Serious Gilgamesh would've fully engaged with his armor and different tools.
>>286580608No I'm not a homosexual like you.
>>286580902Holy femcel sex
>>286579402>more Sakura (x4)YES!
>>286580918>Dark Jeanne in Samurai RemnantHow she became an Alter when normally that wouldn't be possible is properly explained, but it's spoilers. She's also weak as piss compared to vanilla Jeanne and the Avenger Alter.
>>286580837 #He's a mana hungry S++ tier servant in both HGW and Chaldea scenarios. In HGW RP can be used to add damn near anything to his own toolkit, an extremely flexible unit for HGW.In Chaldea, he would be the ultimate debuffer. You can NP steal beast NPs, rendering their best weapons unusable. Due the SG backup, I assume that you would be able to clone NPs and resummon without losing your og servant instance through resummoning from the saint graph storage.However, you would still need Solomon or Lev as a hypercarry due to nega summon and both are great tanks and dpses that can be used to shield your more squishy alcides from beast threats. Then fill up the rest of the party with direct grand and beast and servant counters.In HGW scenario you would likely die without a huge mana pool and great circuits though.
>>286580837Alcides is a top servant.
>Had to bring out magical macguffin to nerf gil to kill himHe was too based
>>286580837>Would he be considered a top servant?Easily. There's shitters like Iskandar, Cu and Scat that are considered Top Servants. While Alcides is a weaker variant of sane Herc, he's still comfortably above Berserker Herc in terms of power. And Berserker Herc is a Grand Tier servant.
>>286580822110% powered-Gil is objectively weaker than Shirou.
>>286580925He was using Ea he was as serious as he can be.
Cu oneshots over half the cast in Strange Fake lmao
>>286580825>this versionIt's all the same, I don't buy the bullshit that they are "different versions".
>>286580972>Berserker Herc is a Grand Tier servantAs canon as Musashi lol. Stated as fanservice only and not recognized in the story.
>>286580972Fucking everybody got called a shitter these days
>>286580837For HGW the mana efficiency of your servant and your personality match is everything, since most people will have ass circuits and ass generation that can't supply.
>>286580709How convenient
>>286580918That Jeanne basically Altered herself so she could help her Master, she did it out of compassion rather than getting corrupted. She also lost both NPs and gained a piss poor attack one due to this.
>>286581002Cope and seethe
>>286581003That's what happens when every other servant now is now a god, someone possessed by a god, or someone powered up by a god.
>>286580269Everything about Jannu and Charlie just reinforces the fact that Nasu doesn't really understand Christianity at all
>>286580709Tine sounds like a true Gilfag. Thinks he's THE STRONGEST, just to get smoked every time.
>>286580837Alcides is a top servant, according to Narita himself. His Rencartation Pandora is already too strong. An ability to steal NPs is the most annoying thing, as seen in fgo.
>>286580966Cope
Shiki won
So Jack wont get his NP back? That's a shame, I liked the Devilman form.
>>286581003Because pretty much all servants are a joke. You can't keep losing and expect to keep any dignity. Every other franchise understands that if you humiliate your characters than everyone is going to dislike them and think they are trash.
Me when I rape Ayaka in front of richard
>>286581002Musashi is also a Grand tier servant, being the greatest swordsman to ever live. Especially when her NP is just asking help from Herc, the greatest hero of all time.
>>286581024Those words won't make the Grand Duels csnon you know.
>>286581051Only a problem for powerlevelspics
Do people realize how Grand containers work
>>286581056>Musashi is also a Grand tier servantkek
>Summon Hercules>Turn him into a chud, somehow this makes him strongerEggsplain this to me
>Top Trending Searches in: TYPE-MOON wiki>>Gilgamesh Naked>Christ>Gilgameshlmao
>>286581031FGO however keeps forcing party specific comps like needing to carry lev or solomon to even touch the boss. You could drop Alcides and still win, but he is most definitely a win harder servant that could easily save you in clutch moments. Well worth a permanent party slot and scales amazingly.
>>286581003I've always seen Iskandar as a shitter because he has zero fighting ability. He's never done anything impressive without calling for the backup of thousands of soldiers.
https://youtu.be/pp3sy6HMNG8?si=QXel7d9CTWFtOHYt
>>286581097>somehow this makes him strongerLiterally the opposite has been stated, retardbro
>>286581071The Grand Caster duel is literally part of the main story
>>286580774>the arm holding his dragon dildo flops sadly It's over. Shirou cut up our HERO with a fucking butter knife, I can't believe it!
>>286581097He's weaker. He just has a less heroic personality.
>>286581097we don't know how strong archer herc is
>>286581003>ScatSakuraislop, per default a shitter>CuGenuinely a shitter, his greatest claim to fame is being called 'Irish Herc' because he's that much of a literal who>IskandarTurboshitter, carried by a NP that's at best good for catching a Hassan off-guard
>>286580774You know if he bother to wear armor instead, he wouldn't get his arm cut off
>>286581090That's the audience they get since it's all that Fate is about.
>>286581100Sounds more like people's comments to episode 10 than search results lol
Name 10 non-Divine Spirit, non Servant-verse bullshit, non Grand bullshit, non Lostbelt bullshit, would normally be available to pull and summon in a regular HGW Lancers that are stronger than Cu
>>286581121>PretenderKEK
>>286581194Scathach
>>286579366>archer herc weaker then bland edgy fanfic hercretard we know already it's his strongest class and narita saying hes not worthy to write him
>>286581002Heracles does not need Grand Duel to prove that he is worthy of being Grand; in fact, he is the servant who has had the most connection with the Grand Servants.>Atalanta compares King Hassan's (Grand Assassin) fighting ability to that of Heracles>Asclepius compares Super Orion (Grand Archer) to Heracles>Romulus (Grand Lancer) recognizes Heracles as the strongest hero, one who is equal to Ares, and has his own version of Nine Lives>Castoria (who was planned to be the Grand Saber) carries the sword of Heracles, Marmyadose
>>286581162Not really, the main Fate audience which is FGOfags care more about cute girls than powerlevels.
>Ishtar stops being smug and immediately retreats at the sight of Pale riderUnarguably the strongest servant of this war. But that is understandable considering who he is.
>>286581003Powerlevelfags cannot fathom a series where theres no such thing as hard-wired 'this guy beats this other guy 100% of the time' powerlevels
>>286581115>>286581132>>286581137Alcides is equal to Gilgamesh which means normal Herc can't be stronger than Alcides or else he would be stronger than Gilgamesh. Which means Alcides has to be equal or stronger than normla Herc
>>286579775Achilles doesn't die when his Heel gets hit. He loses access to the speed+1 NP and I think a rank down?He was still faster than Atalante Alter in Apoc.
>>286581269>or else he would be stronger than GilgameshHe is.
>>286581229Grand Archer is Orion, not Herakles, sorry.
>>286581194>Heracles>Fionn>Karna>Artoria Lancer Alter>Vlad III>Hektor>Achilles>Romulus>Enkidu>Longinus
>>286581203Lev is just trying his best for his malewife, but unfortunately he's a bigger cuck than Jester.
>>286581292You are correct, I misremembered because I try to think about Apoc as little often as possible
>>286581269>he would be stronger than GilgameshYes. Only a serious Gil with Ea in his hand would win (he would never do this)
>>286581269>Alcides equal to GilLmaoThis episode proved otherwise.I'd say Alcides is better than regular Archer Herk against Gil due to the lack of divinity.
>>286581104But I say this because of what happened in one of the fgo events when we faced a creature that had an ability very similar to Rencarnation Pandora. Despite having more than 10 servants, including a king of lost belt, Enkidu, Cu Alter, and other top servants, they couldn't land a single blow and even stole their np.
Maybe, just maybe, deep down inside Ishtar still likes Gil.Sure she said she wants to torture him by avoiding vital points and lets Humwawa finish him, but at the same time her being half ass about killing him off leaves him the chance to survive
>>286581213Scathach loses to Cu every single time.She loses all the time in general, I think. Basically a bigger jobber than Gilgamesh.
>>286581137Alcides using Nine Lives + hydra venom + Hippo's Sash on his bow + From Hell is the same as Archer Herc using Nine Lives just from his divinity alone. That gives us a pretty good idea how how they compare.
>>286579366>Alcides>top tier Maybe if his opponent is a child, also>power tier listI miss when fate wasn’t filled with spics and burgertards and just every day till you like it
>>286581006How does the personality match affect things?
>>286580825He beat Richard because he was targetting the churchStill a psycho
>>286581365motherfucker we've been having powerlevel arguements since the days of tsukihime, get real with me now
>>286580890*stabs you in the throat instead of the armor*
Ishtar is perpetually butthurt Gilgamesh rejected her and threw her out of his palace like a cheap thot.
>>286581296>>286581330Gilgamesh is explicitly called the strongest heroic spirit that can be summoned in a HGW and Herc can be summoned in a hgw you do the math>>286581332This episode is what proved they are equals. Neither were able to do any damage to the other without Ishtar breaking the tie
>>286581361+ Grail Mud. He uses 4 NP's and Angry Manjew and Ishtar says he'd be able to do it with Divinity alone.
>>286581332>This episode proved otherwise.how so?
>>286579484Imagine it was Assassin Jack.
>>286581194Diarmuid in fact performed much better than Cu in FSN.
>>286581315>Featless and literally doesn't exist as of now>Huh?>Sure>Not normally available in a normal HGW>No>No. In fact Gae Blog (thrown) is stated to be directly superior>Rider>Sure>Sure>I don't know about him but sure I guess
>>286581374If you fight each other more than you fight enemy masters and servants that's a huge nono. See how Jester and Zealot-chan can't work together at all. Also you don't want to be wasting CS forcing servants either.
>>286581406>Ishtar's the hearth gone cold, a broken door, without the gold; a fort that shuts its soldiers out, a water well that's filled with doubt; tar that can't be washed away, a broken cup, stained and gray; rock that shatters to dust and sand, a useless weapon in the hand; and worse than that or even this, a god's own sandal filled with piss.
Hercules is one of the few servants you could get away with calling "being Grand level", along with Galahad.
So Jack would be a Pretender in FGO right? And Alcides would most likely be an Avenger
You know King's Order sounds good on paper but it's actually kind of a shit NP. >Cerberus gets instantly BTFO against a servant>giant bird also gets instantly BTFO>the horses are ok for running away I guess>goddess of war is just a stat boostOnly the pelt and the revive seems good and Godhand is an improved version of both.
reminder superman can destroy all your shitty servant
>>286580550>literally ruins the entire war for his team because of a whim
>>286581213>Li Shuwen tier servant
>>286581450>a NP that relies on accepting who you are is ass because Alcides doesn't accept who he isObviously? The only NP he's displayed from the labours that didn't seem nerfed were the Pelt and Chiron's generic resurrection
>>286581456>superman>weak to magic>against magical ghost beingsMhm
>>286581442Maybe if you are an Herktard.
>>286581449Jack doesn't pretend to be anything though.
>>286581481>weak to magichas never been true and got completely debunked since like 2023
>>286581229@Grok, is this real?
>>286581361>still ate 2 arrows from Artemis and died offscreenlollmao
>>286579527Stay Night had 10 Servants and 9 Masters, one of which died offscreen, and one Servant was also a Master.
>>286581450Cerberus is the watchdog of Hell and a servant of Hades, Alcides debuffs him because he rejects divinityStymphalian birbs ought to be a proper swarm that can clear trash like NBK awayHonses are pretty much for running away, yeah, although they do speed him up a bitGoddess of War is pretty much the only thing that lets Hippo even catch up to self-nerfing Herc.>>286581456>TRACE KRYPTONITE
mongrels! you dare slander the king??
>>286579554>a CCC anime would 100% use NeroThat's the only reason why it would be any good
>>286581528Upscale. You need an anti-planet NP to take 11 lives
>>286581097it doesn't make him stronger, it just makes his personality fit with bazdilot who wants hercules to do whatever it takes to win
>>286581526does 4chan need A.I /a/
>>286581481Well first off, Superman is no more vulnerable to magic than any other non-magical hero.But also, the type of magic that's cited as his weakness would be true magic, not magecraft.
>>286581528That was Berserker Herc
>>286581552>Caliburn without True Name is Anit PlanetHOLY SHIT
>2026>Still no Sun Wukong
>>286581450The strength to carry Heaven along probably is better than both Godhand and Nine Lives.Or the speed and stamina to chase after Artemis' golden hind for like a whole year.
>>286581526NTA but Grand Lancer Romulus literally just copied Herc's technique yeah
I was mildly surprised by Noah being Grand Rider, though it makes sense. I always thought Genghis Khan would be better, but he would pretty much be Iskandar+.
>>286581602>Should have a NP that ranks STR up to EX>Should have one that ranks END up to EX too>gets generic summons insteadclassic
>>286581450>goddess of war is just a stat boostnot even that since Alcides REFUSES to get his stats buffed and only allows the power to flow into his bow and arrows
>>286581456>be Superman>instantly got nerfed because he is an alien and thus got rejected by the World itself>if he resisted then the timeline got purged
>>286581637>"...or perhaps"Nigga you wrote the lore what the fuck is this shit
>>286581637As they say, all roads lead back to Heracles.
>>286581585F/SN Remake with Caliburn destroying the plane 7 times inside of Herc
>>286581312Orion is a candidate, he's not the only one.
>>286581676Sore wa dou ka na
>>286581676It's a Sakurai servant, expect it to be pants on head retarded if possible
Archer Heracles needs more shit. That kit is incomplete. Alcides still seems better despite being stated otherwise
>>286581587Dragon Ball collab
>>286581449Pretender class in FGO is about doing good deeds and accumulating merits in the name of others, leaving no room for your own self. In other words, it's a class that Nasu actually custom made for Lev.Jack is actually the opposite in many respects. He is on a journey of self discovery and he wants to find out who he really is and to take that knowledge and his new perspectives back to the Throne with him. Even though his identity is clouded and he doesn't know who he is, he is actually very straightforward with Flat and completely acts without any pretense
>>286581526>Atalanta compares Heracles to KH in the Arcade>Asclepius compares Heracles to Super Orion in his material>Romulus' claim is in his interactions; his skill is in his profile>The name and description of Castoria's weapon are in her profile
There's no fucking point in participating in the HGW unless you have some kind of cheat ability like a gigantic mana supply and a specific strategy for the specific servant you want to summonIt's a deathtrap otherwise
>>286580386That doesn't make him servant tier. Rins jewels can one shot servants. High thamaturgy is strong if it hits.>>286580571Her puppets are magoocraft anon>>286581028Caubac and Caren are him like actually thinking about Christianity
>>286579456>Sees Gil in trouble>Has 3 command spells>Does nothing with themIs Tine retarded?
>>286581602In Fate Herc probably raided the garden directly and fought Ladon instead of letting Atlas do it.
>>286581752or just have fun like Ryunosuke
>>286581744Would Dumas' ghost writer qualify for Pretender then
Could he kill Alcides even with Reincarnation Pandora?
>>286581765Ladon's design is unironically one of the best in TM's history.
>>286581783Grand sureNormal who the fuck knows
>>286581449He could just be a dual-class like Jekyll/Hyde, or just Berserker/Alter Ego.
>>286581783Yes. Ironically he gets mogged by regular Herc since God Hand functions purely on numerical value and KH's NP is ranked C
>>286581783>Chiron immortality>RP Azraelgg
>>286581676much as I don't like defending Sakurai writing, I don't see anything wrong with the origin of a Servant's abilities being unclear even to the system itself. You're given two hypothesis and either could be true, what's the issue here?
>>286581752Just summon an average Servant.You might actually win the grail because everyone else has to use their cheat to kill other guys' cheat and thinks that they don't need to use cheat to fight your mid-tier Servant.
>>286581781Could be. It depends on how he is written. I saw a story replace Shakespeare with Richard III and it was done amazingly. You could also put a twist like that here.
>>286581462That's Fate in a pill. Powerlevel wankery doesn't matter, Servants retain the human element which can be unpredictable. Same with Masters - Kerry had the corrupted Grail on a plate but still decided to destroy it. It's really pointless to argue who's the best, where even the best Servant on paper can lose to whatever scenario the story calls for.
>>286581783He would target the mafia guy and let Alcides die without a Master.
>>286581842Why is his NP stat on the parameters A, but Azrael stat C
>>286581752Even then, you would get fucked in the ass because there is a servant who is perfectly made to counter your servant i.e Cu vs Archer
>>286581414>>286581421Alcides was boosted by From Hell in this fight though.
>>286581866I'd stick with my plan of "summon cute servant who likes me and has great mana efficiency, then run off with her and leave the grail war to everyone else"
>>286581912Because Nasu has really weird autism about Grands having one C-stat or NP-rank
>>286581752>you need resources and a strategy to win a warI mean yeah no shit.
>>286581911Alc is running off the mana supply Baz already built up, so that wouldn't help anything.
>>286581414It's best to summon gil not herc due to the mana efficiency of GoB. Unfortunately Gil's personality doed make him difficult to work with.
>>286581783What sets KH apart is that he doesn't really depend on an NP. His sword is ordinary; what makes him lethal is his fighting skill and the fact that his passive ability activates randomly with any of his strikes, like Russian roulette. If it activates, it will instantly kill any servant. And if he wants to, he can put his weapon aside and attack with his fists and teeth, as seen in Babylon.
>>286581752You could win as long you remember to use your command seals instead of hoarding them like a retard
>>286581583That was "human" Herk.
>>286579844I think Ishtar is the only one that won here.
>>286580837He will always be a top servant.The issue with Alcides is that he's extremely mana hungry. We never see a Base Alcides because he's always juiced up by his master. Base Alcides would be unwieldly and unable to use King's Order normally. Definitely not super strong among top servants.After all the bullshit in FSF, he's basically on the EX-chief god level.>>286579366Ishtar and Huwawa are not that strongHeracles has been considered weaker than Gilgamesh for ages.
>>286581965Other way around. It's better to summon Herc because he doesn't have inherent personality flaws that would cause him to job or betray you.
>>286579366>Bumcides so highWhat?
>>286579886True, Goddess Possessed Einzbern Homunculi deserve to be impregnated.
>>286581943Shirou won just fine when he's a (mana)poorfag and not using his brain at all.
>>286581930The most unfortunate scenario this plan would run into is the average cold hearted mage planning to pursue the root. They have to kill every servant including their own. So having a plan on dealing with that as well as securing a permanent mana source is crucial.
my goddess Ishtar literally gatekept and girlbossed this whole episode
>>286582047He has Avalon saving his ass which is an extremely unique itself
>>286581982That one guy used it in Apoc and still failed to kill Mordred.Or Waver spammed all three on them on Dude and he still died to Gil.
>>286582016After stealing the bull from the sky with RP, he is now capable of transforming himself into Zeus or Typhon. He is currently the main threat.
>>286581414>This episode is what proved they are equals. Neither were able to do any damage to the other without Ishtar breaking the tiethe episode had the battle interrupted so this can't possibly be proven. volume 7 summaries are the only additional info we have and it said that gilamesh would have been successful
>>286579892His future self got killed by Touko until her cried for someone to save him.Why would his servant self be strong?
>>286582012Herc has inherent flaws called moral and ethic which could fuck over you
>>286581395That's true, is something inherent to the Fate fanbase.
>>286582047He literally can not win without Rin
>>286582012You can't use him at all due to his mana hog nature unless you have a fat pool and fat supply. I don't think that even mana transfer will save you unless you get really lucky securing a mana source. Like reactors or leylines or SOMETHING.
>>286579896Why didn't Alcides sperg out and immediately try to kill Ishtar? Because she would have fucked his shit up?
>>286581866Or be an average Japanese teenager that happens to have a big dick.
>>286581365fate was literally written for the chuuni powerscaler audience
>>286582114>big dick
>>286582112Because she's not a Greek divine spirit.
>>286582108Where is the myth that he's a mana hog coming from? Alcides is actively being punished by the grail because he breaks the rules, so anything he does chugs mana. Berserker Herc is a Berserker, so he actively chugs mana too. Both situations are a variant of Herc playing fast and loose with the rules
>>286582087Not that anon. Most people have morals and ethics so they'll likely get along with him. It's his terrifying mana use that's the problem. Gil has a terrible personality compatibility and herc is a fat mana drain.
>>286582137he's a grower
>>286580220Was Charlie inspired by Richard like how Nero was inspired by Alexander?
>>286579945>what the fuck would Seibah do if she lost Excalibur, Destroy Shirou's prostate until he summoned a new sword for her to use. Kiss Rin on the mouth until she hands over the Jeweled Sword Zelretch.>or Cu if he lost Gay Bulge?He'd sharpen a stick and enhance it with rune magic, it would arguably be at least a D rank phantasm at that point. Otherwise he can use combat runes and kick really fucking hard.
>>286582087Summon him in a different class. He said himself that he would act differently as a Rider or Assassin and be willing to do anything to survive if he thought his life was at risk.
>>286581587sopa de macaco uma delicia
>>286580095What did he say that was wrong? Alcides came to attack the hospital and failed to do that. He did not kill Tsubaki, and the cause is the resistance that he faced. That's a failed mission.
>>286582058Cumming inside every day should do the trick regarding mana supply!
>>286582194The only things I remember about El Melloi are Rin and Shirou
how long until Alice, LNfags
>>286582047He has the Avalon cheat code
>>286582112She's just a lingering curse that Ishtar left behind, not a real goddess. That's going to change, but for the moment she's low on his list of priorities.
>>286581983?He used up Godhand protecting the Argo so he was definitely a servant
>>286581730Orion is THE candidate. THE canon one. Stronger than Gil and Herakles.
>>286582137Archer Shirou gave up his cock and balls in order to become part of Guardian Force. That's why, his now eunuch form, wants to kill himself.
>>286581783I'll never understand why this nigga gets so glazed>decapitate a guy>this fails to kill himIn fact what is it with Grands being shit at what their class is supposed to be about? Merlin sucks at casting spells, Orion breaks whatever bows her uses, etc
>>286582287that's how he thinks but to me it's clear sophism.ishtar still possesses authorities so she was the most divine creature in the story even at that point. alcides' uncompromising nature is at odds with the compromises he made. it's really bad writing.
>>286581783Bro, King Hassan cut off Ozymandias' head IN HIS OWN PYRAMID! With one blow and without him even realizing it. A servant as strong as Gilgamesh and in his own fortress full of security. He split Eresh in two, causing everyone to cower in fear when they went to rescue Gilgamesh from the underworld. Gwain acknowledges that if King Hassan had wanted to, he could have killed Lion King. Alcides doesn't stand a chance unless he's stolen several op NP.
>>286582305>Stronger than Gil and Herakles.They literally mock him in Atlantis that he's not the strongest even remotely and that he's not even the best Archer in Greece
>>286582305>greek hero>stronger than heraclesi love when people are so objectively wrong. it makes it easy to immediately disregard their post
>>286582305That's now how Grands work, there are multiple candidates and Alaya picks the most fitting one for each situation. Orion was picked to fight against Koyan since his NP counters her hard, he's not even the best Greek Archer according to Atlantis.
>>286582305He got picked to hunt a fox, not because he’s the best archer
>>286581974>and teeth,
>>286582114>hasn't seen the uncensored CGs from Hollow AtaraxiaLiterally shorter than Rin's index finger.
>>286582312He has a really cool design, his voice actor in both JP and EN is top tier, he gives the coolest speeches, and he fucked up Tiamat without even breathing hard. He doesn't outstay his welcome either. What's not to like?
>>286582305there is no "the" candidate unless you're assassin. Grand Archers explicitly has more than 1 and they are chosen based on the beast.
>>286582154There are servants with skills like galvanism that can directly recharge their own mana. For the average master with crap circuits, someone with that sort of skillset is a better option. Obviously under infinite mana conditions like chaldea generators, you could get extremely good use out of top tier servants and would have no need for for other servants though. But HGW, if you exhaust your supply either because you didn't prep, didn't have enough money and no morals you are really, really dead.
>>286582325His crown status says otherwise. He is the Grand and they are not.
>>286582395 >>286582395 >>286582395
>>286582352Who is the Grand aka the strongest Archer again?
>>286582312the whole point of grands is that they’re situational and not the powerlevel wank people pretend they are
>>286581760>Her puppets are magoocraft anon>>286581028Yeah, but it's not considered battle under modern standards. Since only Touko fights using puppets. That'd be like saying Alice's Ploys are also modern standard.
>>286582312There are multiple grand candidates that alaya uses to counterpick against beasts.
>>286581361>Nine Lives+Hydra venomWhy are you adding this like hydra venom doesn't come with Nine Lives, or that Archer wouldn't be using NL himself>Hippo's sashThis is also a weapon Archer has and is divinity. Ishtar's words were about divinity, so that's not omitted>From HellI wish people would actually read the novels instead of parroting wrong shit. From Hell was not invoked there. Not properly. From Hell requires the user to be in the middle of a Metropolis to reach full power. Otherwise it just makes you about as strong as a wild animal. The text explicitly says that Alcides needs:>Grail mud+Bazdilot's mana crystalsThose are the differences between him and Archer Herc, and grail mud comes with Alcides. It's just mana doping that makes him equal to Herc with divinity.
>>286582380It's because Takeuchi drew his own dick since he had no other references.
>>286582441Gilgamesh
>>286582355>>286582359>>286582387>H-HERK IS G-GRAND TIER CUZ STRONGEST!!U-UHM ACTUALLY... G-GRANDS AREN'T T-THE STRONGEST...So what's even the point of bringing up Grands if you don't believe they are the strongest then, Herkfags?
>>286582312If you mean Ozy then he did it to prevent Ozy from investigating the Atlas ruin and fighting Lion King headon.The fact that Ozy is literally immortal and could still die if he slips up shows how strong First Hassan is.If there's a Grand who underperforms, it would be Romulus.
>>286582401Me on the right every time somebody mentions Gil being better than trash in any capacity.
>>286581842Conceptual attacks bypass such things.Didn't FSN state that God Hand is just his skin?
>>286581640Age seniority is still a big thing, he's one of the older servants around. Surprised there's not more Old Testament stuff, there's just David, Solomon, Noah and Samson
>>286581781It's still a shame that Benkei or Kojiro hasn't got an upgrade into Pretender, considering their whole deal is being fakes
>>286580014>Like damn seiba did none of this register every other time you flashed back to this?It was all too silly for the trauma she was experiencing at the time, so she remembers everything looking far more grounded in reality.
>>286582312The Grands must remain neutral until a threat arises that warrants their action (Beasts).KH does not cut off Ozzy's head to actually kill him, he does it as a warning because Ozzy was attacking the people of the Hassans. From that moment on, Ozzy becomes frightened, locks himself in his pyramid, and stops all attacks on the Hassans. If KH had actually killed him, he would have lost his title of Grand.
>>286582553>Old Testament figures exist as Servants >nobody from New Testament Christian bros... Does it mean Nasu considers Jesus NON CANON?!
>>286581930The servant wouldn't answer the summons unless they too wanted the Holy Grail, they'd get bored of you and probably kill you to find a new master
>>286579963True Assassin because they'd only be fighting other True Assassins (Jobbers)
>>286582678Pale Rider and Whore of Babylon?
>>286580088He should have just fucked Luvia.
>>286582678I have been praying for Pseudo-Servant Shinji-Jesus for yearsAlso, NT does have two servants, Martha and Salome. It's a bit of a drier source for inspiration as a timescale it's a lot shorter than OT.
>>286580097I think Stay Night and Zero had the peak for Servant design and abilities. They all actually felt like mythological heroes instead of superheroes. Even Medea's bondage outfit at least seemed reminiscent of a toga.
>>286582731That's from Apocalypse, not exactly a part of New Testament - it is a separate work included in Christian canon, though.I ask thee - WHERE IS JESUS? There are crosses in Fate at every point, yet nobody ever mentions who or what are they symbolizing, which is weird.
>>286582839Shinji from Evangelion? Yeah, that could work.
>>286582114Shirou's dick is called cute" by both Saber and Sakura.
>“I’m truly sorry for losing my composure.”>After finally regaining her calm, Halri made a formal statement to Ishtar.>"It’s fine, I was going to bless you once the temple was completed no matter what. Now you just have to do your head priestess job.”>“Certainly. But what exactly does a head priestess do?”>“Let me see... Back in the day, they used to manage the tributes... But the main part is taking care of the temple while I’m away. And we’ll have to build a ziggurat eventually... Modern architecture seems cool despite its addiction to verticality. With the amount of blessings I can afford to pay, I can finance a lovely skyscraper, over 2 kilometers tall! Look forward to it!”Ishtar a best
>>286581462> on a CHIVALROUS whim
>>286582678Salome.
>>286580118Medea petrifies JackTrue Assassin solos AssassinWobbly hands no diffs RichardGilgamesh DESTROYS beggarmeshBur-zer-kah no diffs HyppolitaRed Man kills Alcides (sniped)Seibeh wins the laser fight with True BerserkerFake Assassin kills Fake LancerCú Chulainn makes Death crySakura noms IshtarSaber Alter muds the Hospital
>>286582678What class would Jesus be?Caster?
>>286581640Considering divines aren't really off limits they could have grabbed Helios/Ra/Surya.
>>286583100Savior like Gautama.
>Amimeboard>people talking about booksYuck
>Be Alcides>Steal noble phantasm>Be Medea>Steal servantWhat now edgelord?
>>286582473He lists this because Archer Herac do not posses this shit. He received ares belt, hydra's venom, and so on in exchange for the god hand.
>>286580433>Japs know western heroes>Westerners don't know Jap heroesWeaker than a high school child.
>>286580554So what's the body count for innocents at this point?
>>286579963Achilles fought Divine Spirit Chrion and his army of servant tier soldiers without any of his NPs (except the spear) AFTER his heel was shot. Sure he died but he accomplished his objective and went byond by chain summoning Hektor after he died.
>>286580655I imagine they just went down the list of everyone that criticizes Israel.
>>286583100Berserker.
>>286582678MarthaSalome>>286582887Revelation is part of the New TestamentIt is specifically stated that David, father of Solomon, who is the cause of everything in Fate, obtains divinity as a servant because he is the ancestor of Jesus.
>>286582084>Touko until her cried for someone to save himDid someone saved her?Who?
>>286580631Rin is too much of a girl failure to be coolFGO is the antithesis of cool
>>286580666>I'll need to go ALL OUT these are BASELINE HUMANS we're talking about!
>>286583100There's a class called Saver.Right now the only members are Buddha and Nasu's whire nun waifu.
>>286582084Some versions of Prelati are weaker than others.
>>286580775Who are they and are they important?
>>286580466>Alcides died because the pelt didn't cover his entire body>Revives will Chiron Immortality>Steals Gae BolgNow what?
>>286580822Would Gilgamesh survive my noble phantasm that makes you go bald?
>>286580575CIA man has been using him to assassinate his political opponent across the US kek
>>286580822I think the only servant that actually killed Gil in a 1v1 and without help was Elizabeth Bathory.
>>286581250To be fair the Underworld is her Achilles heel
>>286581783I can't take this guy seriously, he looks like a warcraft character.
>>286582944How did America manage to break the masquerade of Magecraft with one Grail war while Japan kept it hidden for five wars?Also why did this grail war immediately spiral out of control? Are Americans just all psychotic?
>>286583714I think it would be easier to say which Noble Phantasm would he survive, because up to now, he dies to everything thrown at him. Iskander being one shitter completely nullified by Gil.
>>286584101Because OUR HEROES are the masterminds and actively trying to screw over magic society.
Francesca feet
>>286580050>Better than being stuck with "taste of slaughter" and a guy who admits he hardly speaks moon.No actually a lying retard chatbot that knows nothing of any language is not in fact better
>>286580901>is machine translation really viable for something like the nasuverse?Of course not, chatbot retards need to shut the fuck up
>From HellSo this Jack is obviously Alan Moore's version, right?
>>286580097I miss iskandar, he was based
