1) Physics definitively tells us they don't work. 2) They have no practical use and are a nightmare to maintain. 3) They tend to overtake the setting, rendering all other forms of action redundant, leading to stagnation. 4) People who like mechs tend to be the actual worst. 5) They're lame. The typical justification "It's cool." is just plain wrong.
>>286628841At least it's better than sci-fi time travel slop
>OP is scared to be BTFO'd on /m/ so he hopes he'll find support hereYou're a little bitch and completely wrong.
>>286628841I don't really like mecha fights because it just kind of takes the human element out of it to an extent, a machine can't really go beyond its specs, there's a lack of that flesh and blood struggle you get when two retards are smacking each other around.Some series kind of fix this, like Attack on TItan where shifters are basically flesh mechs or Gurren Lagann where the mechs are tied to willpower and shit but as a general, not a fan it's just not as fun for me.
>>286628912Not even true, time travel has a lot of plot potential and opportunity for interesting stories, way more than mecha does.
>>286628928/m/ is a delusional cult, and so slow that threads last for a month. Fuck that.
'It's cool.'and OP is a faggot
>>286628841>it's that retard from few weeks back.
>>286629105Case in point.
>>286629193>'It's cool.'You reek of one of those "people" who think magic is cool. There's a reason you and your ilk are rightly shoved into lockers.
Mecha is cool, OP is a massive faggot, once again.
>lay out all the reasons mechs suck>the only recourse anyone has is "NUH UH!"Pathetic.
>>286630133whatever you say, homo
>>286630304Again, your ONLY retort is juvenile name calling. I accept your concession.
>this thread again
>>286629105>my board needs to be fast and unuseable thoughbeit like funny bald man site and xitter o algo
>>286628841>4) People who like mechs tend to be the actual worst.This is beyond being wrong or even lying on purpose. This is the exact opposite of truth. The actual worst are the cgdctroons, followed by isekai mouthbreaters and powerscaling spics.
>>286628841>1) Physics definitively tells us they don't work.Who cares about physics? It's anime>2) They have no practical use and are a nightmare to maintain.Who cares about practicality? It's anime>3) They tend to overtake the setting, rendering all other forms of action redundant, leading to stagnation.Watch more man idk what else to say>4) People who like mechs tend to be the actual worst.While it is true that most mecha fans are retarded, this can also be said about any fan of anything ever>5) They're lame. The typical justification, "It's cool." is just plain wrong.That is purely a (you) problemYou're still a faggot btw
>>286630584>Who cares about physics?It's science fiction. If you're not going to be scientific, don't call it that. >Who cares about practicality?The people on the frontlines dying because they've been shoved into these walking coffins. >idk what else to sayThat's because you know I'm right. >While it is true that most mecha fans are retarded, this can also be said about any fan of anything everYes, but mecha fans tend to have a higher percentage of straight up nazis. >That is purely a (you) problemTell that to the general public, the majority of which dislike mecha for the exact same reasons.
>this thread againI wanted to give the guy the benefit of the doubt but looks like it was just a shitty bait all along
>>286628841The robots are cool. The shows are just usually objectively bad. All the old ones have terrible writing and animation. The fans are shit-eaters who will tell you to watch absolute slop directed by Tomino.
>>286628841It allows for a lot of interesting visual language and storytelling.For example you can have characters fighting each other without knowing each others identities, something that was a part of Code Geass.Another one is being able to have characters lose limbs and generally get defeated in fights without forcing them to die or making the fight look non-fatal.There's tons more but stuff like this takes full advantage of what mecha is as a genre. You can do these things in other genres one at a time but when you blend it all together, you might necessitate a giant robot or two.
Why do mechs always have people debating whether they work in reality or not and never magic or other super powers?
>>286630866>For example you can have characters fighting each other without knowing each others identities, something that was a part of Code Geass.Jets do that, and they actually exist. >Another one is being able to have characters lose limbs and generally get defeated in fights without forcing them to die or making the fight look non-fatal.How is a lack of stakes a good thing? >You can do these things in other genres one at a time but when you blend it all together, you might necessitate a giant robot or two.There is no story that absolutely needs mecha. Their narrative function can be taken by any real vehicle.
>>286631465>Jets do that, and they actually exist.Jets can't do all of those things at once though. You can't have a jet fight in a variety of places, it always has to be the sky. Mech's can fight in the sky or in space or underground or in a building or on top of a building and so forth.>How is a lack of stakes a good thing?It allows for interesting and unique visuals and circumstances without feeling too contrived. For example The Last Shooting from 0079 where Rx-78 fires a final shot at Zeong. Its head is removed and Amuro sets it up to remote shoot its rifle while he's out of the cockpit. This is the kind of unique situation that can only be done with a giant robot.
>>286628841Why are you watching mecha expecting it to be realistic? Are you retarded? Do you watch a mahou shoujo anime and expect it to be realistic?
>>286631960>Jets can't do all of those things at once though.No story needs a single vehicle to serve so many roles at once. >You can't have a jet fight in a variety of places, it always has to be the sky. Have tanks for ground fights. >in spaceSpace combat wouldn't have small craft engagement in the first place. >underground>buildingInfantry. >It allows for interesting and unique visuals and circumstances without feeling too contrived.Mechs by their very nature are a contrivance. >unique situationI'd much rather have the story actually make sense than have some stupid gimmick shot.
>>286632142>Why are you watching mecha expecting it to be realistic?If something places itself within the genre of -science- fiction, I expect some science.
>>2866288416) I don't care, I like mechs
>>286632248So your main character is able to operate a jet, a tank, a space battleship, and is an infantryman?
>>2866323327) You have no standards. I genuinely do not understand how anyone can tolerate these things after realizing that they make no damn sense. Are you really that brainwashed by the corpos and the toys they shill at you?
>>286632390Fuck no. Have you never heard of an ensemble piece? In case you hadn't noticed, militaries tend to be a bit of a group effort.
Oh look, it's this thread again
Mechs being be-all, end-all super duper weapon is the problem.And the answer is combined arms.
>>286632283Science “fiction”. So you’re retarded. Here’s your (you) go back to /m/.
>>286632544The problem is that mechs tend to override all the roles of other vehicles. You literally can't have combined arms in a mecha series, because there's no reason to use anything else. They also render infantry less than pointless.
It's crazy because you can't tell anymore whether someone is baiting or if the tourists really do feel no shame in posting a screencap from reddit
>>286632676SCIENCE fiction. The story being made up isn't a valid excuse to disregard the laws of physics.
>>286632716>You literally can't have combined arms in a mecha series, because there's no reason to use anything elseOne of the basic, most common elements of the mecha format is the big mobile base battleship, so no.I warmly suggest you to stop posting and go back.
>>286628841Mechs are stupid and so are the retards who think they would be useful in real life. I'm sure they're the the loud minority though, most fans admit they're dumb, switch off their brains (as they should) and enjoy the show. After all, mecha anime for some reason nowadays comprise a surprisingly high amount of original anime (i.e. not adaptions of something) and have an unusually high chance of deliberately turning into entertaining trainwrecks. I don't even know why, it's like as if every studio planning an original work and trolling the audience with a big dumb twist always insist on choosing the mecha genre. t. not a mecha fan but I always make sure to watch every new mecha anime of the season
>>286632826That's the one exception. And honestly, I wouldn't surprised if mech wankers found a way to attach interplanetary engines to these fucking things. >>286632830>"Just shut off your brain, bro!"At that point, literally kill yourself. I would rather die than not think.
>>286632248>No story needs a single vehicle to serve so many roles at once.Of course they do. Imagine Mazinger fighting a dragon on the ground in a tank. Now the dragon takes flight and the hero needs to get out of his tank and go into his jet to fight the dragon. It would be a very clumsy story not to mention boring to watch.>I'd much rather have the story actually make sense than have some stupid gimmick shot.It is more important for a story to inspire emotion and provoke thought then to make sense.
>>286632826A mobile base isn't really considered a component of combined arms. It's a base.
>>286633120Okay so what about the core fighter?Okay so what about mobile armor?Okay so what about the fleets that participate in these battles?Okay so what about the ball?Anyone saying Gundam doesn't display combined arms is just confirming themselves to be a newfag who hasn't watched it
>>286633112>Imagine Mazinger fighting a dragon on the ground in a tank.This line of argument is completely farcical, since kaiju are also physically impossible. >It is more important for a story to inspire emotion and provoke thought then to make sense.Sure, if the emotion you're trying to invoke is anger and disgust at the total disrespect towards both logic and basic physics.
>>286633027>That's the one exception.It isn't, planes are another common element, from super robot stuff like Daimos to shit like your average Gundam show.In fact it's not at all uncommon for mechs to also have fighter jets or other autonomous flying units as components, see the core fighters or the pilders>A mobile base isn't really considered a component of combined arms.>Warships are not combined arms
>>286633183They're all just targets for the Mecha.
>>286633183Core fighters were phase out decades ago, and mobile armors haven't been a thing since IBO. >>286633183>Okay so what about the fleets that participate in these battles?Nobody has ever given a singular damn about the ships and their roles in the battles. It's the mobile suits that move merch, not ships. >Okay so what about the ball?That retarded meme shit is still a mech, dumbass.
>>286628841>1)Prove it lol>2)In a real robot series mecha can use cover that tanks cant, maneuver in in ways tanks cant, have hands to accomplish miscellaneous non-combat tasks, can switch to close quarters combat where fighters would have to resort to aerial ramming, and in a super robot series the giant robot is the strongest thing around to begin with.>3)They usually just replace tanks and fighters while sharing space with warships and bombs, wmds or whatever, and get obnoxious amounts of upgrades pumped out for them.>4)People that proclaim their hate of mechs tend to be the actual worst.>5)Theyre cool. The typical critique is "theyre lame" is just plain wrong.
>>286633426>They're all just targets>>286633450>Nobody has ever given a singular damn about the ships and their roles in the battlesRun away with those goal posts as fast as you can
>>286633404In a mecha series, a warship is a glorified bus. Also, fuck super robots. We're talking about how fucktarded "real" robots are. The supers are an outright insult to any audience member with even the vaguest sense of self respect.
the only mecha anime I liked was big o and really a batman anime if they didn't call him batman .
>>286629300>he doesnt think magic is coolHave you ever considered that youre the one whos lame
>>286633027>I would rather dieplease
>>286633383>since kaiju are also physically impossible.If you're against giant monsters too then this really is just a bad b8.
>>286633453>Prove it lolSquare cube law. >In a real robot series mecha can use cover that tanks cant, maneuver in in ways tanks cant, have hands to accomplish miscellaneous non-combat tasks, can switch to close quarters combat where fighters would have to resort to aerial ramming, and in a super robot series the giant robot is the strongest thing around to begin with.Literally none of that matters when you remember that they have legs, and thus can be tripped over. >They usually just replace tanks and fighters while sharing space with warships and bombs, wmds or whatever, and get obnoxious amounts of upgrades pumped out for them.Space combat would not ever use small craft. Because it's space. >People that proclaim their hate of mechs tend to be the actual worst.Mecha fans are literal nazis. >Theyre cool.Only if you're twelve. Grow up.
>>286633518>In a mecha series, a warship is a glorified bus.Active warship warfare is a common element of mecha series, how many times are you going to repeat this retarded spiel?Do you really think you're ragebaiting or entertaining anyone? You just look like a sociopath, people singled you out aged ago.
>>286633615>correctly pointing out that giant monsters that violate the square cube law are physically impossible is "bait" now... They literally cannot exist, anon. The hell are you on?
>>286633490There's no goalpost moving here, the original post said that combined arms have no reason to exist when mecha obsoletes everything. These stuff are worthless cannon fodder that do nothing and are helpless against mechs, only succeeding through sheer numbers. Human life might be cheap, but not that cheap. They only exist so that the mech can blow up lots of shit in a low-stakes yet supposedly dramatic fight scene to provide some action, begging the question of why these exist when they have no military reason to exist.
>>286633790>These stuff are worthless cannon fodder that do nothing and are helpless against mechsAgain, all you're doing is revealing you haven't watched a single mecha series while running away with your goalposts
>>286633683
>>286633879>avoiding the pointThere has never been a single mecha show where some random helicopter or whatever took out the main mech unit. You are a fucking liar and a coward. Mechs make EVERYTHING in their setting obsolete by default, and you damn well know it.
>>286633662>Active warship warfareJust a pretty backdrop to provide pretty lasers which then makes a pretty explosion the moment a mech gets close. You're supposed to think, "wow, he just destroyed a battleship", but in reality you're (not) thinking "why do they have entire fleets of these useless things when they cost a thousand times more than a mech and do nothing?"
>>286628841Why are you bringing anime setting to reality man... dont you have something better to do
>>286633956I'm having trouble hearing your insults because you took those goal posts so far away
>>286634029>Why are you bringing anime setting to reality man... Because reality is the only thing that matters. >dont you have something better to doYou're on 4chan.
>>286634095>actively refusing to address the point>muh goalpostsI accept your concession.
>>286628841Western Mecha > Eastern Mechahttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1937070/Engines_Of_Destruction/
>>286628841Say that to my fucking face.
>>286633790>These (sic) stuff are worthless cannon fodder that do nothing and are helpless against mechsSome of UC Gundam most feared tech was colony lasers who would straight up vaporize any mech or warship with no real counterplay other than stealth blitzes, mechs are the biggest cannon fodder in their own showsBrain Powerd's most dangerous weapon and final boss was a giant sentient, island wide biowarship that would magically teleport nukes around the planet and ignore anything any mech in the show could doIBO literally ended with the main characters' mechs getting raped by satellite orbital strikes with no chance to fight backThe Nadesico was the central unit and big focus of the titular show rather than the AestivalisThere's entire subgenres of mecha that consist of nothing but battleship warfare.>Just a pretty backdrop to provide pretty lasers which then makes a pretty explosion the moment a mech gets closeNot really, you still insist on this spiel just to ragebait people, you're not pretending to be retarded as you think, you're straight up retarded
>>286634176Mechs are stupid, and you're stupid for liking them.
>>286633634>square cubeNot this shit again. Watch this shit or something because Im not typing it out for you.https://youtu.be/MMnjzJHAM9g>trip overYeah, just like how the treadmills of a tank can be jammed and how tires can be popped and whatever. Its called pros and cons.>space combatI was talking space in the figurative sense you numb nut but also its logistically and economically retarded to make every armored vehicle of your space fleet needlessly huge. Its more efficient to have large mother ships store smaller craft inside that are easier to produce and maintain.>mecha fans are nazisAnd morshitters are mysoginists and shonentards are illiterate and seinenfags are pretentious and you are a faggot, and any one can play that game.>grow upYou need to grow up if youre too embarrassed or self conscious to enjoy things you consider childish, in which case, you shouldnt be watching anime anyway lest you lose face in front of normalfaggots.
OP is a faggot. Post your favorite giant robots
>>286632456So you're saying that mechs serve ZERO story functionality but then you admit that the most common style of story writing in all of fiction is impossible to do within your proposed sci-fi setting, a type of story construction that mecha allows you do accomplish.
>>286634276Honestly I don't really like "giant" robots anymore.
>>286634228Not really a good argument when your only counterarguments are superweapons that invalid everything in the entire setting.
>>286634352Bigger than humans and meant to be piloted is good enough
>>286634273>Not this shit again.Always this shit. Sorry the LAWS of physics don't facilitate your childish toy fantasy, dipshit. >Yeah, just like how the treadmills of a tank can be jammed and how tires can be popped and whatever. Its called pros and cons.There's a very real difference between using something that can be covered up, and something that can get bodied by some rope. >space combatNo, you misunderstand. Space combat wouldn't make use of small craft at all. There's less than no point in a medium in with extreme range and no cover. >"N-no, you're childish because you're an adult who doesn't play with toys!"Fucking listen to yourself, dude.
>>286634360You're the one who claimed all mecha shows had the mechs being the invincible centerpiece of the action with everything else being just there to effortlessly explode and make the mechs look good, don't turn around and cry when you're easily exposed as a lying sociopath who's only here to ragebait people with the same stale threads and shitposts.Again, you're miserable, do something about your life rather than making this place worse.
>>286628841"Mechs" are a metaphor and symbolic of the pilot's individual will.
>>286634309That's not what I said at all, but I guess that answers my question of whether you know what an ensemble piece is.
>>286634476Why do we need a metaphor for that? Just fucking show the character has an individual will. Also, that's fucking stupid in a military setting where, no, characters kind of don't have an individual will. Either they do what they're told, or they get executed by their "comrades".
>>286634463>all mecha shows had the mechs being the invincible centerpiece of the action with everything else being just there to effortlessly explode and make the mechs look goodYou're the one desperate to deny this fact. Again, that you had to resort to outrageous superweapons quite strongly works against your argument.
>>286632757Every single science fiction defies the laws of physics, thats why there's a fiction next to the science because its science fiction not science realism. Just take your meds already, this is just embarrassing.
>>286634663>Every single science fiction defies the laws of physicYeah, and that's why they're all shit. Feel free to have a point.
>>286634616I'm not desperate about anything, I literally just denied it, you whined about it and now you're having a schizo fit as if you didn't just admit I was right.I'll quote you word for word:>>286634360>Not really a good argument when your only counterarguments are superweapons that invalid everything in the entire setting.After you claimed here:>>286633790>These stuff are worthless cannon fodder that do nothing and are helpless against mechs, only succeeding through sheer numbers. Human life might be cheap, but not that cheap. They only exist so that the mech can blow up lots of shit in a low-stakes yet supposedly dramatic fight scene to provide some actionPlease stop wasting everyone's time and littering this board with your mental illness.
It's especially embarrassing when a show tries to make mechs more "realistic" through some element of their design. Giving them more than two legs doesn't make the concept any less stupid.
>>286629104I don't see why you guys are still bothering with this threadthey're a steins gate fanthere's literally nothing going on in there
>>286634711>Can't even make any counterargumentI accept your concession.
>>286634724>tard will keep insisting that narratives don't bend over backwards to shill the toys as the only relevant thing in the setting>totally not in denial though... You do realize that the superweapons often get destroyed by the mechs too, right?
>>286634774I don't need to? I've already stated that science fiction that isn't scientific is trash. What concession are you talking about? >>286634770I haven't seen Steins Gate, and I don't even know what it looks like. Unsurprising that people who can't respect basic reality are fond of making shit up.
>>286634823Ooooh so now we went from "worthless cannon fodder that do nothing and are helpless against mechs" to "superweapons often get destroyed by the mechs too"I see we're at the bargaining stage.
>>286634881Concession accepted. Have a great night retard.
>>286634985I like how you have failed to realize you've been talking to at least two different people. Also, those two statements are not contradictory. Are you stupid and illiterate? Cause that seems to be the case.
>>286634437>physicsMost science fiction doesnt perfectly obey the laws physics because theyre speculative or utopic in nature. Its easy to make up any kind of advanced supermaterial that fixes whatever kind of issue mecha run into just like how science fiction writers dont humor pretentious dipshits asking them how their flying cars work. Its fiction.>ropeLol just break or cut the rope. Many mecha have swords lol, infact it happens constantly in mecha anime when the bas guys bring out the whips and nets. You also cant exactly completely cover up all you tires or treadmills or they wont make contact with the ground.>spaceNo cover? Theres asteroids, debris and satellites (artificial and natural) in space. Of course there can be cover. Extreme range? Whatever. Theyre all kinds of speculative shield and jamming tech that constantly gets brought up as an excuse.>listen to yourselfTake your own advice. Do you really think youre being a big man going on an imageboard telling people they shouldnt enjoy cartoons because they dont make sense and tenaciously defending yourself against everyone calling you a faggot for it? Who is being childish here?
>>286635056Just because you have voices in your head doesn't mean you're two different people, you're just mentally ill
>>286634463>You're the one who claimed all mecha shows had the mechs being the invincible centerpiece of the action with everything else being just there to effortlessly explode and make the mechsThat's completely true though. The superweapon that exists on a completely different level of warfare doesn't make this any less true. One is a tactical weapon, the other is a strategic weapon. It'll be like as if someone was complaining gunpowder dominates the battlefield and there's no point using anything else and then you pop up and go>nu-uh what about nukes? QED.
>>286634724This was in response to>>286633120>Okay so what about the core fighter?>Okay so what about mobile armor?>Okay so what about the fleets that participate in these battles?>Okay so what about the ball?These are all indeed targets that exist to be blown up and look cool.
>>286628841Super Robot > Mecha
>>286628841>1) Physics definitively tells us they don't work. >2) They have no practical use and are a nightmare to maintain. doesn't mattter, it's fiction>3) They tend to overtake the setting, rendering all other forms of action redundant, leading to stagnation. no>4) People who like mechs tend to be the actual worst. no, actually it's retards like you>5) They're lame. The typical justification "It's cool." is just plain wrong.that's just like your opinion and stuff
>>286628841>reddit phone screenshotI hate mecha too but holy shit, this site is fucking done for
>>286634437>the LAWS of physicsYou don't know what "physics" is. Physics is not a prescriptive set of LAWS that govern reality. It is a very complex set of estimations that allows you to make qualified guesses about things that haven't happened yet.The LAWS of Physics are very mutable, moreso in fiction.>There's a very real difference between using something that can be covered up, and something that can get bodied by some rope. Even using a Watsonian approach, every "clever" solution you can come up with, the people in the story have also come up with.>Space combat wouldn't make use of small craft at all. Why not? That's just your feelings, space combat isn't real after all.>There's less than no point in a medium in with extreme range and no cover. There is a very obvious advantage to small craft over big craft in combat. Why did battleships fall out of favor? They're big and expensive, making losing one really bad. And you are liable to lose one, because you need to get them very close to whatever you want to shoot. A carrier does not have this problem. Losing a strike aircraft is bad, but each of them offers firepower in the same range as a battleship, while being much more expendable.There is no reason to assume that the third dimension would change this dynamic drastically.>listen to yourselfno, you should listen to yourself, manchild.Also, what do you think "mecha" is anyway?
>>286635066>Its easy to make up any kind of advanced supermaterial that fixes whatever kind of issue mecha run intoYes, and that's bad writing. >excuseExcuses are not acceptable. If you can't be bothered to respect the basic functions of outer space, then you shouldn't be allowed to write stories. >Who is being childish here?Still you. You are literally defending TOYS.
>>286635888>Physics is not a prescriptive set of LAWS that govern reality.And with that, I am refusing to read anything else else your delusional mind feels like vomiting out. Holy fucking shit.
>>286636060Yeah because the opinion of an illiterate high school dropout like you matters
>>286636060Anon, it's okay to not know what science is.But there's no need to be rude about your own ignorance.
>>286636015>Yes, and that's bad writing.Making up things that dont exist is one of the most common things done in any type of fiction. Go tell that to all the science fiction writers. Go tell that to people who study classic literature. Your standards of how "realistic" or "logical" a story has to be are inane and speak to your illiteracy and inability to understand why people tell stories.>Excuses are not acceptable. If you can't be bothered to respect the basic functions of outer space, then you shouldn't be allowed to write stories.Combat space craft are as speculative and implausible as shield and jamming technologies that would be used against those spacecraft. Also you were firmly wrong on the "no cover in space" point, showing your own disregard for the basic functions of outer space.>Still you. You are literally defending TOYS.Im am talking about mecha anime and manga, were not talking about playing with toys, even if you are unable to keep these two things apart in your mind because of your neurotic fear of embarrassment. Next youll say people arent allowed to enjoy any show if they sell plastic models and toys for it. People that play with toys without vying for the validation of adults will always be more mature than faggots like you that go around scolding people for liking cartoons so you can assert your perceived maturity over them. Look at you ignoring more of my refutations with each subsequent post. You have no argument.
>>286636060Physical "laws" are mathematical approximations of "reality" intended to describe observation through theoretical models
>>286629104>S;G fan>shit opinion
>>286628841
>reddit screenshot>phonepost>retarded opinion>100 replies>5 hours agoI'm very disappointed in all of you
>>286636425>Making up things that dont exist is one of the most common things done in any type of fiction.Doesn't matter. It's still bad writing. >Also you were firmly wrong on the "no cover in space" point, showing your own disregard for the basic functions of outer space.Asteroids are hundreds of kilometers apart at bare minimum. You are not using rocks as cover in space. >Im am talking about mecha anime and manga,Yes. Those are toys.
>>286638724>Those are toysAnime is not a toy, anon. Do you not know what a toy is?Maybe that explains your confusion.Also, there is no need for this endless low effort page 10 bump nonsense.
>>286638822>Anime is not a toy.Shonen and isekai indicate otherwise. Anime isn't art anymore, it's keys to be jingled in the faces of retards. >Also, there is no need for this endless low effort page 10 bump nonsense.You seem to be under the impression that this is trolling instead of a genuine expression of distaste for a shitty fictional concept.
>>286638904Shounen anime is not a toy.Isekai anime and Isekai webnovels are also not toys.I'll ask again, do you not know what a toy is?If you do, please give a brief definition of the word "toy".>You seem to be under the impression that this is trollinggiven that you wait until the thread hits page 10 to cherrypick the least difficult post to reply to, I think it might be. You can have the (You), though. I hope it makes you feel something.
>>286629104Reddit Gate fags must have a stunted IQ because I've never seen one post anything intelligent.
>>286639393>mechashill doesn't understand figurative statementsAgain, it's unsurprising that the "people" who refuse to respect physics are too stupid to understand basic shit and love to make up bullshit.
>>286636060Our "laws" of physics literally crumble in the face of multiple phenomena in the observable universe, we still do not know how fucking gravity works.I do not expect a mentally ill Steins:Gay faggot to know about that though.
>>286639806You are not making a "figurative statement", because a toy is categorically different from a film. A toy is something interactive, a video game is to some extent a toy. A film is not interactive, you can only watch it.But please, Physics respecter, keep using words wrong, it really shows off how much (You) respect the science, like a big boy.
>>286634495See>>286631465>There is no story that absolutely needs mecha. Their narrative function can be taken by any real vehicle.Yet when you admit that you can't have a main character in a story without a mecha, you are admitting there are certain types of stories that cannot be written replacing them with real vehicles, and they just so happen to be the most common story structure in fiction.
>>286639945I am equating mechs, shonen, and isekai to toys. You are deliberately refusing to acknowledge this because you're an intellectually dishonest little bitch. >>2866399411) I am not a fucking Steins Gate fan. I don't even know what genre it is, you fucking tard. 2) It doesn't matter that we don't know how gravity works, we DO know that mechs are straight up impossible. Again, square cube law. Stories should be written within the bounds of our current knowledge. It's not that complicated.
>>286640049>You are deliberately refusing to acknowledge this because you're an intellectually dishonest little bitchExplaining to you why you are using the word "toy" wrong is acknowledging the way you are (mis)using it.
>>286640049>Stories should be written within the bounds of our current knowledge. It's not that complicated.Do you have autism?>we DO know that mechs are straight up impossibleWe don't KNOW that, we believe that it may be the case based on some understanding of material science. There is no reason to believe that materials the necessary properties cannot exist, no matter what.>square cube lawWhat about the square-cube "law"? Can you explain this to me in your own words? I appear to be unfamiliar with this idea.
>>286640049>we DO know that mechs are straight up impossibleThey said the same exact thing to the Wright brothers back in the day>Humans? Flying on some machine up in the sky? IMPOSSIBRUMeanwhile robotics keep evolving and breaking new ground with each passing year, we ALREADY have mechs
>>286640136Not my fault you're fucking stupid. >>286640197>Do you have autism?Having intellectual standards is supposed to be a visible symptom of a mental disorder now, huh? Interesting. >We don't KNOW that,YES WE FUCKING DO. A humanoid object that large cannot under any circumstances support its own weight. That is a hard FACT. Your shitty toys will NEVER be real.
>>286632716Heavy gear methinks does mecha combined arms well
>>286640313>Not my fault you're fucking stupid.Why are you throwing a fit at me for thinking your analogy is disqualifyingly bad?
>>286628841Nobody likes mecha.>b-but INope, nobody likes mecha.
>>286632401It's fiction?
>>286640206>MUH WRIGHT BROS THO!!!Airplanes are based on perfectly sound scientific principles, not asinine juvenile fantasies cooked up by retarded coked up twelve year olds. What next, you gonna point out that people took a while to accept that planets are spherical? Good for you, you pointed out that obvious fact that science is slow. Doesn't magically change the fact your shitty toys are not physically possible.
>>286640313>YES WE FUCKING DO.How do we KNOW that? You are so convinced, surely you can explain to me where that certainty comes from.>A humanoid object that large cannot under any circumstances support its own weight.This is very imprecise. How large are you thtinking here? Are there really NO circumstances whatsoever? I can immediately think of three specific circumstances under which a humanoid object of immense size can easily support its own weight.I'll give you a hint: it relates to the definition of "weight". You do respect physics a lot, so surely you know enough physics to understand where I am going with this.>Your shitty toys will NEVER be real.Nobody ever said that other than yourself.
>>286640390>Airplanes are based on perfectly sound scientific principles, not asinine juvenile fantasies cooked up by retarded coked up twelve year olds.Airplanes were considered asinine juvenile fantasies as well>Doesn't magically change the fact your shitty toys are not physically possible.Wrong :)
>>286640383Doesn't matter that it's fiction. If it's not possible in real life, then it shouldn't be in your story. Otherwise, you're just insulting the audience with lies.
>>286640390>Airplanes are based on perfectly sound scientific principlesThey weren't sound when these two built their plane. Heavier-than-air flight was theorized to be impossible, based on 19th century scientific principles.
>>286640440>If it's not possible in real life, then it shouldn't be in your story.I love how you always fall back on this retarded ragebait and you always get humiliated every single time
>>286640440autism
OP is literally arguing with himself to keep the thread bumped.
>>286640422>How do we KNOW that?Because these >>286640436 disgusting waste of (probably) taxpayer money don't fucking work. They're just gimmicky trash that exist to make tiktoks. >I'll give you a hint: it relates to the definition of "weight".Fuck off. There will never be a sufficiently light material that will be durable enough to make mechs. If we could do that, we'd have done that already.
>>286640535why didn't you sage then?
>>28664044619th century people were actual retards who thought phrenology was a perfectly rational idea. >>286640464I love how you have yet to provide a sufficient counterargument. I guess you have so little self-respect that you have no issue with writers calling you a slack-jawed retard to your face.
>>286640547>MECHS CAN'T EXIST>MECHS CAN EXIST BUT DON'T FUCKING WORK>MECHS CAN WORK BUT THEY'RE A WASTE OF TAXPAYER WORK>MECHS AREN'T A WASTE OF TAXPAYER WORK BUT RICH FAGS ARE STILL WASTING MONEYsweet sweet copium
>>286628841nice bait, but a little lazy. certainly an improvement from your last thread though>>286634174i strongly disagree, but good job mr shill, you got me to wishlist
>>286640612>19th century people were actual retards who thought phrenology was a perfectly rational idea.Sure and to them it was.Science develops over time, their understanding was wrong. You could say that "the laws of physics" changed over time.
>>286640547>There will never be a sufficiently light material that will be durable enough to make mechsI'll tell the trick.The first is to make it have no weight at all, by putting it into space. The second circumstance is by using a heavier medium, just operate it in water, making an object lighter than water is fairly easy, no matter the shape, so it should be reasonable to use similar design ideas to make something very heavy buoyant enough to not get crushed under its weight. Of course, just as you can apply "lighter than water" ideas, you can construct parts of the mech to be lighter than air as well.You don't understand physics well enough to make assertions about what is and isn't POSSIBLE?Are these ideas practical? Probably not, but that's not what you're asking.Are they fundamentally compatible with our understanding of physics? Yeah they are.
>>286640612Every time you get disproven as the retard you are you simply double down on ignoring it and repeat the same retarded statements over and over as if they give you legitimaxy, you've been doing that for years by now, we're all familiar with your gameYou think that tiring out people gives you some sort of moral victory in your nonexistent argument, people eventually stop replying to you because talking to mentally ill person isn't a productive use of anyone's time, you're just a sociopath addicted to ragebait
>>286640206I'd like to point out that your retarded strawman is not real, or at least, not shared by anybody outside of a few raving lunatics. Everybody back then thought powered heavier-than-air flight was possible, they could see the evidence of flying birds everyday. And man-sized unpowered heavier-than-air flight was evident in gliders and kites. Meanwhile light-than-air flight was normal by that time, capable of carrying tons.Also I'm laughing that this was your argument that mechs are possible, how smooth is your brain that your only counterargument is some made up story about history instead of some basic engineering facts that anybody with a minimum of education can do?
>>286640615You are so desperate for your shitty toys to be real, that you are deliberately misreading posts. Pathetic. >>286640631Yes, our understanding of shit is wrong all the time. Not on this. Mechs are not possible. Simple as. Seriously, you might as well be arguing that humans will spontaneously develop magic powers because we might figure out a way to poke DNA in a particular way. Come on.
>>286640547>disgusting waste of (probably) taxpayer money don't fucking workNow this is mecha done right. He's an evil noble so of course he's wasting taxpayer money. It's the entire motivation. I usually don't like mecha but this is good.
>>286628841>Reddit acreenshot
>>286640744>Not on this. Mechs are not possible. Simple as.How do you KNOW this?You still haven't explained why you are so confident.>you might as well be arguing that humans will spontaneously develop magic powers because we might figure out a way to poke DNA in a particular way.Well, that's just a matter of definitions isn't it?What do you mean when you say "magic powers", exactly? Depending on your answer, it may be possible.
>>286640688>The first is to make it have no weight at all, by putting it into space.>this shit againSPACE COMBAT WOULD NOT INVOLVE SMALL CRAFT. Please stop being stupid for like a MINUTE. >waterWe can't even get submarines to not explode in water. You're actually out of your fucking mind. Also, nobody live underwater, and thus no reason to have such elaborate vehicles in the ocean. You're insane.
>>286640831>How do you KNOW this?Bitch, we might not know how gravity works, but it does work. As long as it continues to exist, so will the square cube law. Also, you're not funny. Stop being a pedantic cunt on purpose.
>>286640778yikes, I didn't pay attention to the screenshot...we're talking to a literal redditor? People will take this bait? From a non-metaphorical redditor? I'm done...
>>286640736>I'd like to point out that your retarded strawman is not real, or at least, not shared by anybody outside of a few raving lunatics.Newtonian physics quite literally stated that heavier-than-air flight was impossible to achieve, I guess Newton was a raving lunating
>>286640850>Also, nobody live underwater, and thus no reason to have such elaborate vehicles in the ocean.This subhuman redditor truly believes things like underwater mining aren't a huge business when governments all around the world are spending literal billions on itSAD!
>>286640759Evil Lord of an Intergalactic EMpire actually a pretty bad example of mecha versimiltude and I'm surprised you're bringing this up as an example of one since it's just a comedy with a "whatever goes" approach to world building. Liam doesn't use a mecha because he's wasting taxpayer money (it's actually a great use of tax payer money given how he uses it, and he needs one anyway because it's part of the trappings of nobility), it's because mecha are just the standard weapon. Mecha are commonplace and overpowered. The only non-mecha combat vehicles you see are various warships (and carriers in the spinoff) and they basically only exist as targets for the protagonists. Although warships actually do serve a purpose because knights capable of flying mecha have to be modified from childhood, but basically they only serve as targets for Liam and his subordinates who are are SSS+ knights that can repeatedly solo battleships without breaking a sweat, and battles are decided by mecha fights.
>>286640850>SPACE COMBAT WOULD NOT INVOLVE SMALL CRAFT.Nobody is talking about combat, anon. It's about supporting weight.>We can't even get submarines to not explode in waterThe USS Cutlass has been in continuous service for over 80 years, so I am pretty sure we have a handle on operating submarines.>thus no reason to have such elaborate vehicles in the oceanNobody is talking about reasons.We are asking whether it is possible to build and operate giant humanoid machines.You have made no counterargument regarding the possibility of mechs not collapsing under their own weight in space or the same considerations for partially-lighter-than-water mechs underwater and partially-lighter-than-air mechs on the surface.>You're insane.You are the one who is insane. Instead of acknowledging that you left some very obvious loopholes in your argument, you're moving the goalposts. Why?>>286640991Mechs would be amazing for all sorts of underwater operations, they could likely make technical diving much, much safer, which is a huge issue currently.
>>286640928Newton was a blithering retard if he somehow forgot that birds exist. Did he never see a piece of paper glide across the air? What the fuck. >>286640991You don't need mechs for that, you fucking idiot.
>>286628841few of them will willingly admit this but there's a lot of crossover between mecha fans on 4chan and reddit because there's so few of them that they'll make contact where possiblewhen a new batch of tourists starts watching mecha, notice how the newfags and oldfags start complaining about each other with highly specific details about users of the other site
>>286641035>Nobody is talking about combat, anon. It's about supporting weight.Why are the mechs in space then? Literally for what fucking purpose? >Nobody is talking about reasons.... See, this is why mechshills need to be hunted down and beaten. Yes, let's waste outrageous amounts of resources to make something inherently useless. Fuck you.
>>286640446>>286640928No, you're making shit up. I guess Newton must had shit himself and cried in fear when he saw a bird?
>>286641035>Mechs would be amazing for all sorts of underwater operations, they could likely make technical diving much, much safer, which is a huge issue currently.I'm noticing a trend here, you're big on claims, not not much on actually backing them up. We already have arm manipulators on our scientific submarines, for what purpose would we add on some extra ones purely for walking with when they already have propellers and can adjust buoyancy?
>>286641089>... See, this is why mechshills need to be hunted down and beaten. Yes, let's waste outrageous amounts of resources to make something inherently useless. Fuck you.Tbqdesu there is no reason in using any vehicle that isn't a plane, drone, or truck.
>>286641089>Literally for what fucking purpose?Why are you moving goalposts?Here (>>286640049) you say that mechs are straight up impossible:>we DO know that mechs are straight up impossibleUpon being informed that you don't know thta, you follow this up (>>286640313) by saying this:>A humanoid object that large cannot under any circumstances support its own weight. Then you are presented with 3 circumstances under which a humanoid object "that large" (not that you ever answer how large "that" is) can support its own weight (>>286640688).And then you throw a fit about "practical applications", when the question at hand is more fundamental than that. You are moving the goalpost. Why is that? Why not concede that under certain (relatively impractical) circumstances a humanoid object of "that" size can support its own weight?It's not a big concession to make at all, given how flimsy the circumstances presented are.>>286641187You're big on running away every time you're losing, which happens a lot, because you're not very good at arguing.
>Muhhhhhh realismmmmFuck off. Never consume fiction again.
>>286641232>dronea drone is not a specifc kind of vehicle, are you thinking of a quadcopter?
>>286628841>my japanese cartoons have to be realistic
>>286641232>HURR HURR ME RETARDED ON PURPOSEFuck off. >>286641247>3 circumstancesFAKE circumstances that would never conceivably happen. You are stretching so hard for any reason for mechs to happen that you're gonna break your arm.
>>286641340>FAKE circumstances that would never conceivably happenBut it would be possible in principle, yes?That's all we're trying to find out right now.
Anti Mech-kun
>>286641375>But it would be possible in principle, yes?NO. Mechs are not possible, and all the hypothetical magic nonsense you keep insisting would make them possible are total bullshit. >That's all we're trying to find out right now.We don't to find out, the fact is already established.
>>286641443>hypothetical magic nonsenseAh yes, filling it with air and submerging it in water. Magic.A weightless environment. Also magic.Filling it with hydrogen. Everyone knows that lighter-than-air flight is magic.Just let it go. You can't win.
>>286641043>Newton was a blithering retardWrong>You don't need mechs for thatAlso wrong, I just love how you so confidently talk about scientific facts you know absolutely nothing about.Here, since I'm actually still in this place to have real conversations rather than trying to ragebait people, I'll give you some bread crumbs to followhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-sea_mining_regulations_in_NauruYou can't mine deep sea resources like you'd do on the surface, which is why we need advanced robotics in the first place to avoid damaging the environment>you're making shit up.I'm not, it's a well documented scientifical fact, science literally thrives on constantly correcting itself, theories and laws are only true as long as somebody doesn't disprove them with more accurate models, very little is set in stone.Newton thought that heavier-than-air flight was impossible to achieve for HUMANS because of the lift coefficient he had for his model of physics, which the Wright brothers found out was actually wrong, and corrected.Newtonian physics did acknowledge the reality of heavier-than-air flight, Newton just thought (wrongly) that humans were simply too heavy to ever achieve it, in truth he wasn't completely sure how birds could do it either, he got really close to the answer but was wrong in a critical assumption, and that assumption lasted for centuries until the Wright brothers decided to increase the lift coefficient because why the fuck not, and guess what, it worked and we got planes out of it
>>286641544>You can't win.It is rather difficult to win an argument with a delusional retard who desperate wants Gundam to be real.
>>286641274i meant any uav, i should've specified. that includes shit like reapers and shaheds>>286641340>Fuck off.gramps, the age of tanks is over.
Man was made in gods image so the form of our ultimate from of weaponry should also be made in that same image.
>>286641247>You're big on running away every time you're losing,So, are you going to explain why subs becoming mecha would be>amazing for underwater operationsor can I assume you just made stuff up without thinking about it, again.
>>286641619>You can't mine deep sea resources like you'd do on the surface, which is why we need advanced robotics in the first place to avoid damaging the environment1) Fuck the environment. This planet is dead anyway. 2) We already have robot drones, dipshit. >Newton thought that heavier-than-air flight was impossible to achieve for HUMANS because of the lift coefficient he had for his model of physics,So Newton was retarded. Cool. This doesn't change that mechs don't work under the laws of physics.
>>286641619>Newton thought that heavier-than-air flight was impossible to achieve for HUMANS he had for his model of physics[citation needed]>because of the lift coefficientNot even something that was invented until centuries after his death, specifically for achieving powered flight. Also, even if it was around (it wasn't), you would still be wrong, because all a low coefficient of lift does is increase the power requirements, not make it flat out impossible.
>>286641034>Liam doesn't use a mecha because he's wasting taxpayer money (it's actually a great use of tax payer money given how he uses it, and he needs one anyway because it's part of the trappings of nobilityTrue, but to an extent the world's standards expect nobles to spend huge amounts of money on personal stuff. So the fact remains that the nobility can get the more expensive mecha and weapons for their spaceships.I'd say spaceships (warships?) are still the bulk of a battle. For every 3 mecha, there's 1000 spaceships. A mecha can take 50-100 ships, that's plenty of them, so you can still turn the tide of battle with that advantage but the mecha alone doesn't win the battle.
>>286641644>It is rather difficult to win an argument with a delusional retard who desperate wants Gundam to be real.All you need to do is prove that your original claim isn't wrong. All you need to do is demonstrate that reducing "weight" using buoyancy is not a solution to the problem the "square cube law" presents. If you know physics and your claim is true, that shouldn't be a problem.
>>286641794>because all a low coefficient of lift does is increase the power requirements, not make it flat out impossible.The fact that you typed this and thought it's anything but a proof of your own stupidity is incredible
>>286641836>buoyancyBuoyancy has fuck all to do with anything. Mechs don't work. putting them somewhere other than the ground isn't going to change this. You're a delusional retard, and you need to go jump off a cliff already.
>>286641927>Mechs don't work. putting them somewhere other than the ground isn't going to change thisSo whales are just an urban legend to you
>>286641835From our point of view (the viewers) mecha do win fights because that's exactly how all the space battles we see are won. In fact, in the in-universe view, mecha also win fights. The knights are a warrior caste specifically for crewing mecha, because raising a mecha-piloting child soldier is expensive, and society would not go to that expense if they weren't worth it, and the lords would not undergo the cost and hardship of being mecha pilots if it also wasn't worth it. In the spin-off LN, you see Liam do a massive founding of first-generation knight-families as he has almost no vassal knight-families of his own and he desperately needs mecha. Also, I don't think there's any indication of relative numbers of ships to mecha, but to claim such lopsided numbers as 3 to 1000 is ridiculous to the narrative. Even though the screen focuses on Liam, we do get constantly given the numbers of ships in a fleet in every single battle and told of multiple squads of mechas on screen, and they vastly exceed your ratio.
>>286641955So you admit that mechs cannot actually function on land, where they would actually be. Fucking retard. Also, whales are not made of fucking metal. Flesh reacts differently to being too heavy to support itself, as your mother knows from experience.
>>286642116I'm not even the guy you were talking to, schizo, stop moving the goalposts>A-actually it's all about flesh vs metallmao
>>286641927>Buoyancy has fuck all to do with anythingYou don't know what "weight" is?
>>286642116You can make things buoyant in air as well, lighter-than-air flight is well-established.
>>286642168he literally just ragebaits, he's been doing this for god knows how long
>>286641855This is just sad to see. Do you even know what a coefficient of lift is? I mean, you clearly don't, given that you you called it a "lift coefficient" to begin with, claimed that Newton knew what it was, and also your reaction to an explanation of what a low coefficient of lift means.
>>286642168>>286642185>A HURP A DERP JUST PUT BALLOONS IN IT THEN IT'LL WORK!Speaking of your mother, did the fat bitch drop you as a baby? Fucking hell.
>>286642297>A HURP A DERP JUST PUT BALLOONS IN IT THEN IT'LL WORK!Why wouldn't it, Physics Respecter?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_coefficient
Why is one lone anon constantly having a meltdown about irrelevant realism in a character drama where the souls of the main characters ascend to a higher plane of existence with their eternal angel/spirit like consciousnesses?
>>286642396That's literally what autism looks like, anon.
>>286642318What the fuck are you filling the balloons with that would actually make the giant robot lighter? Nothing that exists in reality, that's for damn sure. It does not matter how hard you push your asinine pet theories, mechs are not physically possible under any circumstance.
>>286642396he's a lolcow schizo who's been doing this for a long time, he also rages about fantasy shit, not just mechs
>>286642396Motherfucker, don't even get me started on newtype shit. One could write entire volumes of novels about how fucktarted "MUH COMMUNICATION" is.
>>286642433Hydrogen.>mechs are not physically possible under any circumstanceBut they are, you can build them in space just fine.Are you looping now?
>>286642476What kind of stories do you like?Tell me about a story that you like.
>>286642477>HydrogenAh yes, because it makes so much sense to have huge combat machines that explode if you breathe on them too hard. Fuck outta here. >you can build them in space just fine.And then once completed they become totally useless, because they cannot exist under normal gravity without collapsing in on themselves. Retard.
>>286642509>Tell me about a story that you like.Once upon a time, I fucked your mother. The end.
>>286642509he doesn't actually watch anime, he just came here to complain and feed his ego.funny thing is, he doesn't actually know what's realistic and even /k/ would make better arguments
>>286641619Putting aside that you went from >they said to the Wright Brothers that heavier than air flight for humans was impossible>Oh I meant Newtonian physics said that heavier than air flight for humans was impossible>Oh I meant Newton himself claimed that heavier than air flight for humans was impossibleWhat about the fact that huge gunpowder rockets (i.e. fireworks and rocket artillery) basically have a coefficient of lift of 0, and were well known and used for several centuries by Newton's time. Also, where's your proof that Newton said any of this?
>>286642544>Ah yes, because it makes so much sense to have huge combat machines that explode if you breathe on them too hard. Fuck outta here.Put the goalpost back.
>>286642467All he needs to do now is accuse everyone of being one tripfag from 2015 samefagging every post
>>286642820Not him and he's clearly stupid but it is a reasonable complaint.
>>286642820>even when I play along with his tard pet theory, it's not good enough>MUH GOALPOSTSFuck you. You're seriously suggesting that hydrogen balloons are the secret to making giant robots work. You're a fucking idiot.
>>286642109>but to claim such lopsided numbers as 3 to 1000 is ridiculous to the narrative. Even though the screen focuses on Liam, we do get constantly given the numbers of ships in a fleet in every single battle and told of multiple squads of mechas on screen, and they vastly exceed your ratio.I don't remember the exact numbers. It's there in the WNs/LNs. https://dobelyuwai.wordpress.com/2025/08/26/im-the-evil-lord-of-an-intergalactic-empire-wn-volume-15-chapter-6/I know for sure there's a huge amount of ships. So ship tactics are important. I think 7 prominent Knights are in this battle. If there are others maybe they're less relevant than the main seven and it didn't name them.
>>286642969but you are literally moving the goalposts.
>>286643202>pointing out the suggestion is fucking stupid is "moving the goalposts"That is not what that term means, you dumb bitch!
>>286643259Even if it is stupid, it is physically possible, which is where the goalpost has been for two hours, despite your repeated attempts at carrying it off.
>>286643356>Even if it is stupid, it is physically possible,No it isn't. Fucking balloons wouldn't make the thing lighter. Even if you did use hydrogen, do you have any idea how much you'd need to use? At that point you have made a shitty blimp. The mech would not actually function as intended. The fucking thing needs to be able to walk, and it can't walk cause it breaks its own legs trying to do so. Hydrogen balloons doesn't fix this, it just creates a different, stupider, and much more dangerous problem. I fucking hate you, oh my god.
I wasnt aware of the level of retardation were dealing with here, at least its kind of funny
>>286643976The hoops these people will jump through to justify mechs is ridiculous.
>>286635234>You will never make anyone think you're multiple people.Where have I heard this before?
>>286639625S;G is baby's first non shounen so most of the fans are dumb newfags.
>>286630722>It's science fiction. If you're not going to be scientific, don't call it that.Star Wars and Star Trek, the two biggest works of science fiction ever, don't try at all to make even the slightest amount of sense.
>>286631465>Their narrative function can be taken by any real vehicle.I literally can't think of a way to replicate most Gundam plots with a non-mecha vehicle. It's easier to replicate them if I just make it so that the people that would be pilots are just magic shounen superhumans.
>>286630133>>286630406>despite all your nagging mecha continues to be popular
>>286644246you probably know more about hoops than me with all the mental gymnastics and doubling down youre doing
>>286643161Come on dude, read the very next chapter, it's literally the second sentence.>Several dozen ships were destroyed.>For a Mobile Knight, it would likely have been over a hundred units destroyed.That's a ratio where knights clearly outnumber ships. Yeah, it's MTL, so it should had said "as for mobile knights". So the ratio is several dozen ships and over a hundred mechs.
>>286644898Star Wars and Star Trek aren't science fiction, they're space fantasy. Merely incorporating technology does not make science fiction. Science fiction actually tries to make sense. It generally asks a question, and then extrapolates a working society out of it. That dragon you see? If it's a genetically modified lizard and can breathe fire because it has great big flame sacs, it's science fiction. And if the author wrote a whole page detailing it's impact on the local ecology, why it exists, and all sorts of other things, that's science fiction. Of course the line is blurred if it tries to cross genres and pretends to wear so of the trappings. Star Trek makes an attempt for performative reasons, but it's just skin deep. Star Wars doesn't even try.In any case the argument is pointless. Mecha anime aren't science fiction to begin with.
>>286628841>Shartranny is back with the same anti /m/ and /a/nime bait againPSA for those who dont know, he is pullingthisshit at /co/ too to defend Marvel ruining Pater Parker and Mary Jane's lifeAlso Battletech SHITS on everything you said because all in lore in that, which is also Macross lore too, is semi-realand possible, mainly Myomer synthetic muscle bundles.
>>286645590>Peter Parkergotta love autocorrect...
>>286628841What is it about mecha in particular that makes this type of people seethe so much?
325 years
>>286645461>um aksually this extremely popular sci fi series? it's not sci fi
>>286645817Yeah that's how it works dumbass. Let me guess, your definition is that it contains technology? You're retarded.
>>286630722>It's science fiction. If you're not going to be scientific, don't call it that.You forgot about the "fiction" part. Science fiction just implies a degree of futuristic technolgy in it.>>286645461>Star Wars and Star Trek aren't science fiction, they're space fantasyThose are the exact same thing.
>>286645590Myomer doesn't explain anything, it's just got a good power to weight ratio. Which is the least concerning problem about humanoid mechs honestly, not to mention there's nothing stopping them being used for ordinary vehicles. And before you claim myomers are tough and make for good armor, do you have a source for that? Because every source book I've read implies the opposite. They're made of polyacetylene and every rulebook explicitly says that they need to be protected.
>>286645842According to who?Is Blade Runner now not Sci-fi?Terminator?Is Mad Max now Sci-Fi?
There is a person inside the mech, with feelings and dreams.You want to ignore that?
>>286646364Blade Runner is based on an actual scifi book and carries its themes so yes. I don't see why you think this is a gotcha?Terminator is an action film so no, The actual consequences of realistic androids, intelligent AI, and time travel are just there for the plot, it's not an exploration of their impact. I don't see why you think this is a gotcha?Mad Max is also an action film, it's not even taking itself seriously. Hell, the third film has a society based on pig shit, clearly not the most realistic projection of post-apocalyptic energy sources. I don't see why you think this is a gotcha?There are works that blur the line, I already said that. But it's not my problem you couldn't actually think of one.
>>286628841Don't slander VOTOMS, faggot. It's better than your regular mecha slop or Gainax shit.
>>286646548>blade runner is sci-filol, they said we'd have space travel and perfect replicas of humans by 2019 it by no measure makes any sense, and doesn't ask any questions about science>I don't see why you think this is a gotcha?Terminator is Sci-Fi, because that's what James Cameron said.I mentioned Mad Max because the first one has no science fiction elements in it. Except of course, being after a nuclear war. So that would make it "sci-fi", in your daft opinion.
>>286640440>If it's not possible in real life, then it shouldn't be in your storyAmazing.
I like this fat bastard because he is literally me fr
