Volume 47The Seal DestroyedChapter 440: The Conversation with Lord Fourth!!Start: https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>286610843
>>286637184ground chicken Kurama goes hard
>>286637200SLOWruto the INCOMPETENT
>>286637268Well deserved.
>>286637251Guess that works, this spaz would've never shut up about his dad being the fourth Hokage.
>>286637236>Hinata WHO?>Kakashi WHO?>Konoha WHO?>>286637251KISHI YOU HACKTHE FUCK DO YOU MEAN HE'D BE IN DANGER, AND NO ONE KNEW!? HIS LAST NAME IS FUCKING UZAMAKI AND HE LOOKS LIKE THE FOURTH HOKAGE IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO HIM
>>286637200So no one has told naruto that he is the son of the 4th hokage.
>>286637305Right here the "half" part gets brought up again, but we all memoryholed it. I guess we never equated>half of the chakrato>half of its strength
>>286637351War is also born when people want to line their pockets you bastard, don't go all "WAR IS JUST THE OTHER SIDE OF LOVE" you asshole
>>286637251I mean even if people didn't know he was the hokage's son, him being one of the last Uzumakis would have made him a prime target for a lot of people. Like if Orochimaru didn't know he was the Ninetails he probably could have kidnapped him to use him like a male Karin or something.
>>286637236There's barely any change here.
B&W
>>286637320Was Minato watching literally everything through Naruto ever since he died or something?
>>286637454I didn't know the Rinnegan lets you sense doubt.
>>286637477how do you think Minato felt about seeing Jiraiya rail his son
>>286637454>if it weren't for the spirit of his dead dad Naruto would've gotten captured here and all his sage training would have been for nothing, also all the attempts the other characters have done to try to keep the Ninetails sealed were for nothing and Minato just took care of everything (again)God, this story fell off really fucking hard.
>>286637320Did you also see al the times he jerked off?
>Tobi is SO POWERFUL that I sealed half the 9 Tails inside you>Even though that made you a target and if Tobi had half a brain he'd have kidnapped you long ago>And Tobi has the perfect counter to the 9 Tails since it's weak to the Sharingan>And it's uncooperative and actively harmed your chakra, turning you into a retard savant
O' my Yondaime father
>>286637335Erm I thought the Ninetails was just a natural disaster...? Tobibros, what the FUCK is this?
>Ghost dad was sorta alive in Naruto the whole time watching every single thing he's ever doneThis is worse than I remember.
13 days! Oh boy! Only 13 days until HE returns!!
Done!
>>286637351>WAIT A MINUTE, SHY IS KONOHA ALWAYS A TARGET? ARE WE THE BADDIES?!>uhhhhhhh no that's just shinobi culture or something
>>286637754>Konoha is ALWAYS justified and has NEVER done anything wrong.*kills a pregnant Ame woman and paper bombs a bus full of Ame children*
>>286637752Fast and smooth dump as always, thanks OP!
>>286637324Of course not. He didn't need to know because...he just didn't, okay?
>>286637377>againWhen was the 1st time?
>>286637324It would obviously put him in danger anonsomehow
>>286637549Probably reminiscent of when he was in that position himself.
>>286637200>you're my son, after all.WTF Naruto is his son!?
>>286637718How do you not have enough data on Tsunade? This invasion is basically her showing as a Hokage. You should be able to put her somewhere.
>>286637251>If folks found out you were my son, you'd be in danger From who? You can't just say shit like that and except the reader to go "ahh, yes, of course, he'd be in danger!"
>>286637268How could a chakra imprint feel pain?
>>286637477Only the chakra version of Minato which dissipates after this chapter. The real Minato is experiencing hell inside of the Reaper's belly.
>>286637362This manga is pretentious garbage. One Piece and Bleach knew their place.
>>286637375Naruto has a point. These adults are really placing a heavy burden on this 16 year old.>>286637393Go fuck yourself, Minato.
>>286638022Aside from mass heal it was not her highest hour
>>286637454And that's the end of the Sage Mode cloak.
>>286638035He'd be in danger from all the people who are trying to get rid of him and/or capture him because he has the Nine tails. But it makes a huge difference!!!
>>286637335>Back then he saw through all my moves.No he didn't?
>>286638123>from all the people who are trying to get rid of him and/or capture him because he has the Nine tailsBut everyone knew he had the Nine tails in him. This isn't about that, it's about him being the son of the 4th.
>>286638168And people knew Konohamaru was the Third's grandson. Who gives a fuck?
>>286637268The Fox asspulled him plenty of wins and saved his life multiple times. Haku would have killed him and Sasuke if it wasn't for the Kyubi.
>>286637251I know this is a weak excuse but considering Hinata was actually kidnapped and that led to an international incident, I can see the logic
>>286637236Wait, Naruto is his son? Is this new information? This is pretty big
>>286638264Jiraiya and Tsunade revealed it awhile ago.
>>286637320>We need to talk about your obsession with Sasuke, son.
>>286638253GENIUSruto would have been an Anbu with the mastered Rasengan by then without the Ninetails btw, and he would have SMOKED Zabuza's boywife
>>286638204Yeah, that's my point. It just seems like a cheap way to generate drama.>He's also an orphan...man that makes him so sympathetic and unfortunate...who are his parents? oh we can't tell you that...
>>286637268>punches his own fatherWhat kind of psycho does this?
>>286637672Didn't Minato seal Obito's ability to summon/use/do anything to the ninetails? I swear that was how their fight ended
>>286638115>the Sage Mode cloakNever should've gotten rid of it
>>286637268Minato TANKED that
>>286638353Go to sleep, Hinata.
>>286638611It was a decent homage to Minato's without looking like an exact copy of it like the one he wears in ch700.
>>286638562He broke Kurama's control with a seal but I don't think Obito would be stopped from getting rid of the seal at some point in the next 16 years even if it DID permanently negate his Kurama control.
>>286638559Right? He's nothing like my hero, Itachi Uchiha, who would never raise a hand against his own father like that.
>>286638158Naruto doesn't know that. Minato just needs him to buy his story to forgive him.
>>286637394But he's right. People love their coin
>>286637454I love that first panel
>>286638094To be fair, Nardo has shown to find a solution to impossible problems like adding chakra nature to Rasengan, or maintaining Sage mode without toad assistance
>>286637752TY OP
>>286637351Is Kishimoto channeling Imperial Japanese feelings here? >t.German
>>286637375Naruto is right>>286637393Faith.....is it really so strong....
>>286637454Very cool reenter panel
>>286638559What kind of father seals a monster in his newborn kid. Minato knew he deserved that punch.
>>286637268Why didn't Naruto's punch phase through him?
>>286637285>whatever at least I'm royaltyYare yare.. it's been 1 minute and it's gone to Naruto's head
>>286637454Why isn't his skin burned?
>>286638922I see... so Orochimaru was part of Unit 737 or whatever it was called all along... Those Ame children he gave the bubonic plague to were sacrificed for the good of Konoha
>>286637752>>286637742>>286637454Arigatou, OP!
>>286637184those are fluffy tails
>>286638353Fanfic writer....
>>286637909>>286637962did you never have those>my dad could beat up your dadfights as a kid?
>>286637567You are such an annoying faggot. Hey I guess you'll get your wish in ruining these threads because I certainly am done coming here after like 2 or 3 more chapters. You post like 100 times per hour and it's all just you pretending to be someone else complaining and whining and bitching. I truly hope a nigger kills you and everyone you love.
>>286639037You asked this last 2 threads and it was explained both times you gaslighting miserable bitch
>>286637251Fuck giving Asuma that privilege, I guess.
>>286637431An actually shitty page. The amount of chakra emitted through 8 tails is not supposed to disappear with a mere "pew" white cloud. There should've been at least several pages of Naruto's transition back to human form. Fuck Kishimoto.
>>286637153ARIGATO, OUR LEADER!
>>286639336What was the explanation?
>>286637268>>286637251
The concept of there being ninja out there who care more about capturing/killing Minato's son rather than the Nine Tails' Jinchuriki.
>>286639635Onoki?
>>286637285He looks like Boruto here.
>>286637268Base Naruto faster than Minato confirmed.
>>286637268BASED BASED BASED
>>286637320>I know everything.>>286637251>I guess Hiruzen didn't tell you much?>>286637285>How old are you?SO WHAT IS IT!?
>>286637184>Wait, Sasuke! Something's wrong... I sense two huge sources of nasty, ominous chakra near Konoha!>And one of them... reminds me of that Eight-Tails guy!>It really gives me the creeps... I have a bad feeling about this!>>286637431>Wait, that beastly chakra just... disappeared? Either that, or it... changed?>Just what is going on there? We have to be careful, Sasuke!
>>286611885>>286613422>>286637313Kishimoto's writing is really something because why the fuck is he deemphasizing Hinata's sacrifice like that if at this point we're still supposed to think that she's dead? Genuinely what the fuck happened to him after ̶p̶a̶r̶t̶ ̶1̶ chunin exams that made him dislike her so much?
>>286638158Minato almost got sucked twice, I think it's not unwarranted
>>286637454This page fucking rocks
>>286637454Fun fact: this is where Naruto's keikaku begins. First he used the smoke to take his time and get into sage mode.
>>286637285>>286637285The 4th needs a Carton of Milk and Cigarettes shooped into his hands>Naruto I'm back from the store>*guff*>So how old are you Naruto? 16? DAAAAAAAMN.
>>286637718Itachi should at least be lower than Bee and possibly Sageruto too, his Susano can take him very far but that's kind of all he has alongside Tsukuyomi.
Daily(ramen) reminder to vote for Carrot:onepiecewt100-2026.com/en/vote/?id=914
>>286638473John Konoha...
>>286640237I guess that line about trying to save something precious >>286637351 almost counts as a reference to her but it's weird how Minato has nothing to say about the event and the person that actually triggered Nine-tails emergence and his own. Even something like "Damn your game so good bitches are literally dying for you? Well done son, put at least two babies in her".
>>286640590It has been done!
>>286640754You replied to the wrong post maybe?
>>286638611It's the most stylish outfit in the series. It should've at least come back, it would've been perfect to have during that late-war scene where him, Sasuke, and Sakura are all on their big summons. You could even have Gamakichi bring it along and say Ma packed it for him!
>>286640237>Konoha streetshitter
>>286640880Oh shit, yes. Meant it for >>286640343
>>286637351Uchiha. Uchiha are why Konoha's always a target.
Raikage won.
>>286641116That's a racist stereotype and is honestly quite hurtful. Do better. Uchiha are NOT mentally unstable crazy people.
>>286641119Indeed I did. I was gifted with a HOEga wife who does her utmost to honor their clan's traditions! But I heard her sister, on the other hand, is a terrible prude, loyal wife of the Hokage. What a disgrace...
>>286637718>jiraya above naruto/bee/solo kingfuck off
>>286637251This is so fucking stupid.
>>286637567>would've gotten captured right thereI dunno dude I think it's pretty clear that the 8/9 tails had put Nagato in check and was about to obliterate him and then go on an unstoppable rampage.
>>286640908He will have his revenge on Konoha and restore his clan's izzat by shitting on every street in the village
>>286641119>>286641226i sorta don't remember anything about this guy except for that parts where his attacks got dodgedwhy do you guys talk about this nigga more than killer bee?
>>286637313every single retcon to Naruto's backstory only made it make less sense.it legit made more sense for the 9 tails to be a legendary yokai that occasionally attacked villages, for Naruto to just be some random orphan the 4th Hokage sealed said yokai into, and for there to be a big question on just how much of Naruto is that orphan and how much of him is the 9 tails using the orphan like a skinsuit whilst preparing his revenge. none of the jinchuriki shit or 'chosen one' prophecy.
>>286637268How can he punch something within his psyche?
>>286639563I'm waiting
>>286637351...but that's not why most modern or past wars are started at all...
>>286637454Should he be naked? the transformation should have burned his clothes right?
>>286637184What's happening here? Looks like the 8 tails and some of the individual tails are meant to say something.>>286637200>>286637236It's a disservice to Naruto's character to make him this dumb. Plus, did nobody, nobody, not even Iruka tell him that his father was the 4th? Naruto never looked at ninja mount rushmore and saw enough of a resemblance to get curious and look it up? It's so wild to play this as some kind of twist.>>286637251> you would have been in danger if they knew you were my sonomg KISHI. You fucking hack. Are you INSANE?! They knew he was the jinchurriki so how the fuck is this supposed to make sense. Sasuke wasn't in danger, and his dad wanted to lead a coup against the village! And his brother murdered half of it!>>286637268> putting the ninetails inside of me was a burdenI laughed out loud. This moron would have been dead in the first few chapters, and ever handful of chapters since, without the ninetails inside of him. It has been nothing but a benefit. It hasn't made him do any evil actions. It hasn't even been communicating with him. It's been nothing more than a supply of infinite chakra and a get out of jail free card whenever that hasn't been enough of a crutch.>>286637285>>286639654> looks like borutoI noticed that too.>>286637320Kek already forgot what was going on a few pages ago, now Minato knows everything from his whole life.Fuck the details, kishi wants to talk about madara now.>>286637351> Pain said we destroyed his village! Are we actually the bad guys?> Nah it's shinobi culture.holy kekaroo lmao>>286637362> AKSHUALLY you could say it was shinobi culture that killed jiraya, a battle against hatred that's what shinobi areLook I know I'm hard on these chapters sometimes, but holy fuck lmao. THEY. ARE. MERCENARIES. That is the villages are. That is why they exist! This has been established for so long and kishi just throws it away on a whim for a pretentious message that makes no sense.
>>286637200>>286637236Wasn't Nart already aware the 4th was his dad or is he stupid?>>286637251Literally named "Uzumaki". Why didn't that alone put him in danger?
>>286637200>rawr XD
>>286639593Did naruto really say sissy or is that a meme translation? is there even a sissy word in Japanese?
>>286642275there is, 'okama'. I don't know if that's what Naruto said in the Japanese
>>286637320This kind of thing is where Naruto as a series started to fall-apart for me, characters having catharsis with other dead characters through stuff like this
>>286641720Jinchuriki shit ruined the series
>>286637236>>286637251>let's go somewhere quiet>translation: let's go somewhere so the staff can take a break from drawing backgrounds for this week's issuelol
>>286637413>>286637393>>286637375>>286637362>>286637351>>286637285>>286637305>>286637268Minatom, you're a goat fighter assassin and all, but you literally have no right to parent, no experience to be a parent, and know literally nothing about parenting as you died on the day your son is born. Fuck me, for as much as we mock Naruto's schizo visions about being on a swing while the whole village surrounds him, he did have to grow up without any parents or family and deal with a monster inside him all because of you. He literally let you get off too easy here.>believe in their childEncouraging him to keep going until he risks life and limbs on nothing but blind faith, goddamn.
>>286640343>>286640754>Also the girl who just died for you is a bitch and a traitor, she only did that for selfish reasons, avoid her at all costsWhat some people would have him say without a hint of irony.
>>286637454The first panel is iconic
>>286637335The masketta man…
>>286637752thanks op.
>>286642591Tobi?
>>286638254This implies that minato had enemies who would go after naruto JUST because he was the 4th's son. The only person we see who would do that was obito but he already knew about that connection and didn't do anything for 16 years. And the akatsuki were after him because of kurama and not anything to do with minato or nardo himself.
>>286643369Iwagakure has a bone to pick with him
>>286643525I don't remember anything about them. Were they ever featured in the manga beyond the prequel arc?
>>286643611Minato solo'd an entire army of them in the third Shinobi War. made them look like chumps and they've hated him and Konoha ever since.
>>286643638Yeah but do they do anything else besides job to one guy?
>>286643875no, they are the least-explored village
>>286643369>This implies that minato had enemies who would go after naruto JUST because he was the 4th's son.And because he's the son of a Hokage, which makes him a national treasure of sorts. Anyone who hates Konoha would want to kill him just to spite Konoha.
>>286641119...the marrying Hanabi competition
>>286638559Your dad was either a saint or raised a bitch if you never thought about it.
>>286644150homeboy didn't know his dad, let's be real
>>286637393Nat is pretty much saying here "I'll leave the fate of the world in your hands". kinda of a big deal, dad.
>>286639176girthy tails
>>286637454I C O N I C
>>286637251Hiruzen?VINDICATED
>>286637285cuteruto
>>286637305You're absolutely right, 'ruto.
>>286640237What is he going to do when he gets there? Cover it in shit? Like a reverse crater of crap? It would add an interesting duality between Pain and Sasuke, the two with a grudge against Konoha... One leaves a concave mark on the village, the other, a convex one.
>>286643950I don't think a village that lost 1000 shinobi to one guy isn't much of a threat. If kishi had bothered to ever have Iwagakure play a role in the story and have their hatred of minato be relevant in any way I'd concede that he had a point but kishi didn't do any legwork in making this reveal sensible and expects the audience to headcanon a way for his shit writing to work.>>286644105>Anyone who hates Konoha would want to kill him just to spite KonohaLike orochimaru? He hated konoha but completely ignored naruto despite having multiple opportunities to kill him. I guess he somehow didn't know about minato or expected gaara to take care of that during the invasion.
>>286637362from a certain point of view...
>>286637393I dattebayo in you
anyone else thought it was really lame/stupid how naruto just completely changes pain's philosophy and mindstate with the power of friendship or whatever after he wins the battle. They already pulled that shit once with gaara doing it again is really pushing it, some gay naive teenager is not going to heal the hearts of some deranged murderous psychopath with a single conversation.
>>286644543the mist village also is mostly irrelevant outside of Zabuza's back story.
>>286644606yes, it's a big complaint over how much of a deus ex machina it is
>>286644606No anon, no one has ever criticized talk no jutsu.
>>286644105>which makes him a national treasure of sortsAlso this is dumb considering hashirama's corpse was left seemingly unguarded allowing oro to conduct horrible experiments with it. Naruto being the 4th hokage's son is a closely guarded state secret requiring severe discretion and OPSEC but the body of the greatest shinobi ever with one of the most powerful kekkai genkais? eh just bury him in a ditch.
>>286644606We'll talk about it more when it happens, but I think the timing is what really kills it. Naruto really does directly deliver a firmware update. There needed to be some downtime, where Nagato can process what has happened and been said, and decides his plan is actually temporary and stupid, and fuck reviving Madara. It doesn't have to be a long process, it can happen while Naruto is walking back to the village.
>>286640590Spam
>>286645404is he even aware of Madara's revival? or what Madara represents?
>>286644606 It’s shounen, anon. You signed the contract the second you accepted a bright orange retard screaming about bonds for 400 chapters. The Pain fight was peak right up until Kishi remembered Naruto’s real kekkei genkai is Licensed Therapist. The problem isn’t even that Nagato changes his mind, it’s that it happens in like 10 minutes after he just flattened the village and killed half the cast. If you’re gonna do ideological warfare at least make it feel like Naruto actually dismantled his worldview instead of just going “I won’t give up :)” until the villain blue screens. Gaara worked because he was basically a feral kid projecting. Nagato was a war-crime TED Talk. Different weight class.
>>286645503I don't think it's directly stated that he does, but later we learn that Madara and Obito's plan was always to have Nagato use the rinnegan to revive him.
>>286645703yes but the way Konan acts during her fight with Tobi strongly implies she and mostly like Nagato as well were left in the dark on that matter. Nagato acts like the grand scheme was to do as he said: use the tailed beasts to create a world of peace through fear, with the Akatsuki as rulers of the world.
Isobu daijoubu
>>286645778There's no way to make sense of it, it's another inconsistency in the story. There's no way for Tobi to hijack the bijuu for ET and convince Nagato to revive Madara (who he is still pretending to be). At this point in the story I think you are right and Akatsuki's plan is what Pain says it is.
>>286637393......
>>286646074>you used ninja tactics in a competition to find who is the most skilled at being a ninja, you are DISQUALIFIEDthey legit forgot what a "ninja" even is, it's just another name for superhero at this point.
>>286638035>>286638123>>286638168>>286638204It's a typical handwave Kishi likes to bring out when he knows he's writing shit that doesn't make sense. He did something similar with the Uchiha massacre, that it had to be done before they enacted their coup or else Konoha would look weak and be assaulted by other villages, as if losing their supposed strongest clan overnight wouldn't.
>>286638863
>>286646165the entire village descending into civil war would leave it in a much worse position than one clan getting wiped. and at the time, the Uchiha weren't walking gods but just another notable clan. the Hyuuga were explicitly stated to be stronger.
>>286646165Civil War scenario would be way worse then one clan getting slimmed.
>>286646074
>>286637468There's a subtle nuance.
>>286646215>>286646274>Civil warNobody would side with the uchiha, and Itachi being on Konoha's side would mean barely if any casualties would happen to the leaf.
>>286646215>the Hyuuga were explicitly stated to be stronger.Kishi goes so hard on wanking uchiniggers while neglecting the hyuuga in part 2 that this is patently untrue. He can make all the statements he wants but he never bothered to SHOW the hyuuga contributing anything beyond hinata marrying naruto and neji dying for naruto.
>>286646215>the Hyuuga were explicitly stated to be stronger.Get off the Computer, Neji.
>>286646215>>286646274The fact that they got annihilated by two dudes, powerful as they were, means such a civil war, even if allowed to happen, would've been over quite quickly had they gone up against the entirety of the rest of Konoha, not to mention they had full knowledge that they were planning it, so it's not like it would've been a surprise. There's no point in defending a sloppily written retcon.
>>286646480it still would be a more precarious position than quickly and quietly putting them down in one fell swoop. >>286646488the Uchiholocaust was introduced in the first volume, æons before Shippuden and its Uchihawankery was a thing.
>>286646488It's also straight up a lie btw.Kakashi calls the Uchiha the strongest clan in the leaf in chapter 5-6 and the only time those 2 clans are ever compared is when Kakashi says the byakugan has better vision than the sharingan.Unless you're going to take Hiashi's statement of them being the strongest in leaf as anything but prideful overestimation.
>>286646546The Uchiha massacre only gets properly established at the near end of land of waves when Zabuza calls Sasuke the last surviving uchiha.
>>286646074Doesn't technology end up being extremely strong in Boruto? Why would he get DQ'd for using it? Are they not allowed to use magic scrolls too?
>>286646606he's called the last Uchiha I think at his introduction. that quote just is an explanation of how Itachi factored into it.
>>286646669He wasn't, nowhere is Sasuke refered to as the last uchiha before Zabuza calls him that.
>>286646701well still, that's LOOOONG before the introduction of mangekyo, Madara, Susanoo, and so on. when Zabuza says that, the extent of the sharingan's ability was mild hypnotism.
>>286645404>>286645667Naruto doesn't convince Nagato through force of rhetoric but because he won't enact his revenge when he has every right to. It is a direct, undeniable refutal of his conviction that people can't understand or forgive one another and that pain leads to more pain, i.e., the cycle of hatred. It can still feel contrived and lazy (because this is still a shonen and Kishimoto is not a master writer) but I think this framing is a little better at explaining the sudden 180.
>>286646785that's not how humans work anon, simply recalling what happens in the story is not a rationalization
>>286646785Fuck I meant refutation not refutal.>>286646842Sometimes it happens, but we're talking about a fictional story anyway.
>>286646666only bijous and kekei genkai are allowed as far as unfair advantages go
>>286646954Not so rough, Hana-baa...
>>286647305Just like big sis taught her
>>286646666they're only allowed to use scrolls they prepared themselves, as that demonstrates their mastery of scroll sealingBort was cheating by using microscrolls prepared by jounin level ninjas and pretending that it was him casting these high level spells on the fly, and more specifically because he went behind Naruto's back to make a deal with the manufacturer despite being right there when Naruto told the creator "I don't want shortcuts like these to be marketed in the chuunin exams as something Konoha is using as a crutch"so it was less about the 'cheating' really and more about sending a message as the Hokage
>>286647567Very contrived
>>286637454iconic as fuck panel
>>286647567That’s sounds unbelievably shitty and hypocritical. Practically the only jutsu Naruto knows in the chunin exams is the forbidden jutsu he stole in the first chapter. I could buy it Naruto was really mature about it and straight up acknowledged that he relied on forbidden jutsu and the nine tails for far too long and fucked his development, and that’s why he won’t let Boruto play for results. But my understanding is that they treat Boruto like he’s a dirty cheating idiot. So what, you have to master the ninjutsus to pass the exam now? Any comment from Lee?
>>286648667Naruto sat down and learned how to use kage bunshin. what Bort did was more like having someone use else in the stands use kage bunshin and also transformation to make it seem like they were his shadow clones
>>286637718It's making the Jiraiya hater mald so it's accurate.
>THE NINE TAILS IS FINALLY OUT>... his dead father saved him>... he's also a super special lineage of Hokage>... and the monster isn't evil at all, he's super friendly like a big Pokemon xDBACK TO PRESENT>Ok bro you destroyed my village and killed my sensei (not the super special Kakashi sensei but the other mega super special Sannin sensei) ... But you are just like me bro... >oh shit I'm sorry... I trust you Naruto... because of this book... and here is everyone I killed back to life... but fuck Jiraiya he's not coming backwhat a shit fucking manga
>>286649591>he's also a super special lineage of Hokage Minato doesn't have anything special about him generic wise>and the monster isn't evil at allHe was until he the core theme of the series helped himImagine getting filtered by Naruto you dumb nigger. Thanks for the bump BTW.
>>286649670>the Fourth Hokage who was trained by the Legendary Sannin who was trained by the Third Hokage
>>286649751>doesnt know what lineage means
>>286649861>Naruto is not super special because his dad who was the Hokage and was trained by Legendary ninjas, knew Sage Mode and Forbidden techniques was an ordinary guy stop the gaslighting
>>286649911>still doesn't know what lineage meansIs this the famous American education I've heard so much about.
Slow ass thread. People must be losing interest.
>>286641823This is like asking how Itachi tortured Kakashi using tsukuyomi and had it actually affect him. Inner worlds are treated as real and tangible via chakra.
Hiashi won.
>>286637468>"Naruto, you're gay."
>>286650357But this isn't genjutsu and the mind playing tricks? Minato is actually real here? am I dumb?
>>286637351>>286637362It's kind of astonishing to hear a kage say that the ninja culture is inherently flawed. Minato seems to have become disillusioned and wore the hat anyway.
>>286637200How does nart get bashed for not knowing daddy was boss man (for like 3 years) and kinda important, and luffy comes off as a 'fun' retard because "I have a dad?!". Both cases make it clear that the kid is a nepobaby/LINEAGE MATTERS.
>>286638284Yeah but Naruto himself didn't know.
>>286637305Reminder current Obito without the Rinnegan wouldn't stand up to neither Naruto nor Pain.
>>286638158Minato wasn't aware of his identity though.
>>286650307This is the normal thread speed when you stop spamming, OPink.
>>286637454I always found that pose kinda funny.
>>286650307It's because Fagkon has been absent.
>>286650374Narratively Minato is treated as real as possible at this point. From his awareness of the outside world, to his own theorizing separate from Naruto's, to using fuinjutsu to rebuild the seal all point to an existence more lifelike than a mere projection. And the legitimacy of this encounter is not contradicted later.Kishimoto actually used this exact mindscape in front of the 9 tails cage earlier in shippuden to establish that inner worlds are real, tangible places with consequences when Sasuke decided to pop in and repress the 9 tails' chakra leaking through the bars.
>>286641917Would Yugito be an iconic character if biju transformations burned their clothes?
>>286650667Kek, delusional. He just changed his trip, but he's definitely still here, as seen with >286650608
>>286650667>>286650687I think he's OP, but at least he's not being obnoxious like in the past, so who cares if he is? Threads are still dead.
>>286650307>>286650667>>286650687>>286650700why do you samefag like this? its 6am you are way too obvious little guy
>>286650687Yeah, it's pretty obvious he's here. At least he's not whining about LLM or whatever else.
>>286650821He is projecting about samefagging, but most his posts that try to start drama are projection, so not surprising
Are we finally going to go back to chapters in a thread?
>>286651050As opposed to what? Chapters not in the thread?
>>286651080To two* chapters
>>286637567Reading comprehension is necessary. Naruto wasn't going to get captured at that point, he was going to die. Without the seal he wouldn't be a jinchuriki but a broken container.
>>286637184
>>286637454I hate how the Storm games didn't let you play as Sage Mode Naruto with his normal clothes except in Story Mode battles.
Anyone arguing Naruto isn't part of a hokage lineage is just being pedantic and weasel-wording, The first and second hokage were brothers, the third hokage was just the second hokages favoured apprentice, the 4th hokage is Narutos father and Narutos teachers favoured apprentice, Tsunade is Narutos great-aunt and teammate of Narutos teacher, the 6th hokage is Narutos teacher and the 4th hokages favoured apprentice.Literally the entire kage "lineage" is a handful of people who are all either immediate nuclear family or master-and-apprentice, and 4 of the 6 are direct blood relatives of Naruto, it's pure nepotism from top to bottom, you can literally predict who will become hokage from the 3 man team they're put on in the academy, because they'll be the one with a Hokage's apprentice as their team leader.
>>286641882How so? Wars get started all the time for love. Love for profits sure, but love nonetheless.
>>286639318Take your meds
>>286652225I wonder when an Aburame hokage will appear!
>>286652414The next fire daimyo will have bug autism and select an Aburame for hokage on that basis.
>>286638473If only he was here to save the village from Pain...
>page 10what these threads look like without inauthentic traffic
>>286653495Is this normal reaction to seeing a man with a bigger penis than yours?
>>286655520Everyone is in the shipfag thread
>”Everyone” and it’s an Indian addicted to a proxy site that he has to pay for
>>286647392The manga could've made this a cool off-screen moment with Naruto only catching glimpses of it. After the shinra tensei that puts Hinata down reveal her as clone or genjutsu if we're bringing Kurenai into this then show a single image of real Hinata about to attack and cut away to Naruto's perspective. And then after some implied fighitng reveal slightly bruised Tendo dragging semi-unconscious Hinata by the hair to kill her in front of Naruto. Would've took like two more pages.
>every "anon'' conveniently forgot prakesh's 150 post meltdowncriedd
>>286656459Y'all are still on "Hinata going down in two panels was Kishimoto's oversight rather than intentionally abrupt jobbing" stage of grief?
>>286656816Maybe, i think Kishimoto doesn't intend it as shameful since both Naruto and Pain get punked pretty embarrassingly at some points in the fight.
I think hes handsome
>>286657167We were already well aware of your thoughts on that, Hinata.
>>286645980That's a nice assKakashi was so lucky
>>286646300Cute autism hands
>>286655520Literally the healthiest these threads've ever been
Honestly it's so lame how Naruto is literally the only character in this arc who does anything remotely useful. Even Tsunade protecting everyone doesn't mean jackshit because Nagato will revive everyone at the end.Like, they could've at least had Hinata land one hit on Pain, and then later say he couldn't properly use Chibaku Tensei on Kyuubi Naruto because Yahiko's chakra network got fucked by her gentle fist or something. It really wouldn't have been that hard.
>>286659445This arc is an overcorrection from early part 2 making Naruto get upstaged by side characters
>>286659445>they could've at least had Hinata land one hit on PainWith the greatest "what the fuck are you doing" look from Pain when Hinata pokes him in the tiddy.
It just hit me why this arc feels so off. Because it's disingenuous and subversive, with villain being proven right at every turn and hero's actions not amounting to anything until the ever convenient asspulls resolve everything for him. Him arriving on the battlefield doesn't even change all that much because the damage is done already and the village is in ruins. It's why Kakashi might as well have died for nothing because the information about five seconds cooldown doesn't save Naruto from getting his ass beat the moment Tendo's powers return. It's why Hinata gets destroyed in two seconds because love makes you dumb and idealism is for suckers and the only way to strive is to have the literal god i.e author on your side.
>>286640849Thank you. >>286645440Ritual post.
>>286660586>It's why Kakashi might as well have died for nothing because the information about five seconds cooldown doesn't save Naruto from getting his ass beat the moment Tendo's powers return.I mean, what's wrong with that? not everything needs to be Chekhov's gun. You can introduce a plot point that might be relevant only for it to prove useless.
>>286660998Not everything needs to be well written either, but it's better when it is.
>>286655865>>286655520ship thread dead, what now?
>>286660998The problem is that EVERYTHING besides Naruto learning sage mode and Minato saving him turned out to be irrelevant.
>>286661328It really must be miserable to be you. Even just reading your garbage in these threads makes me want to kill myself. Can't imagine being inside of you, at all times
>>286661357Why do you always post shit like this when valid critiques are brought up?Jiraiya's sacrifice may as well have been in vain considering Naruto finds out the secret and Nagato's location by himself.
Post naked Sakura
>>286661424Because you're a mentally ill faggot and I genuinely want you to be killed. You've complained literally non stop every week for how many years of your life you pathetic faggot? Jesus christ. Your parents must be ashamed of you. You aren't some fucking 150iq individual dissecting someone's graduating thesis. You're complaining nonstop in the most pathetically miserable ways, non stop, replying to yourself, pretending to be multiple people, reiterating your exact complain hundreds of times, every fucking thread, because you never get any attention outside of this.The world would be better if you shot yourself. You're a fucking loser and incapable of happiness and try to bring others down as a replacement for that.no matter how much you bitch and moan and seethe and cry and shit ant pretend to be multiple people, you affect nothing. This is still like 95% of people's favorite part of Naruto. Nobody cares if it doesn't hold up under microscopes. It is a fucking series for teenage boys and regardless if it did or did not succeed in its themes, it handles them in ways most shounen don't even try and instead of just appreciate that despite some failures in writing, you shit and bitch and moan and cry and piss and reply to yourselves hundreds of times over month stretches because you are a fucking pathetic blight on humans.Fuck off.But we both know you'll make 75 posts next thread too crying about some random thing. I truly hope someone breaks into your home and kills you or takes everything you love from you.
Is everyone here mentally ill
>>286661576>You've complained literally non stop every week for how many years of your lifeYou're mistaking me for someone else.Also, TL;DR.
Replacement kun... MY chappy?
>>286661725You must to be mentally ill to enjoy manga/anime
>>286646666Nardo still holds a grudge over Kiba using ninja pills against him in the prelims.
>>286661836He's probably debating whether to dump it in this thread or just make a new one, I'll support either decision
>>286661576>Because you're a mentally ill faggot and I genuinely want you to be killed. You've complained literally non stop every week for how many years of your life you pathetic faggot? Jesus christ. Your parents must be ashamed of you. You aren't some fucking 150iq individual dissecting someone's graduating thesis. You're complaining nonstop in the most pathetically miserable ways, non stop, replying to yourself, pretending to be multiple people, reiterating your exact complain hundreds of times, every fucking thread, because you never get any attention outside of this.>The world would be better if you shot yourself. You're a fucking loser and incapable of happiness and try to bring others down as a replacement for that.no matter how much you bitch and moan and seethe and cry and shit ant pretend to be multiple people, you affect nothing. This is still like 95% of people's favorite part of Naruto. Nobody cares if it doesn't hold up under microscopes. It is a fucking series for teenage boys and regardless if it did or did not succeed in its themes, it handles them in ways most shounen don't even try and instead of just appreciate that despite some failures in writing, you shit and bitch and moan and cry and piss and reply to yourselves hundreds of times over month stretches because you are a fucking pathetic blight on humans.>Fuck off.>But we both know you'll make 75 posts next thread too crying about some random thing. I truly hope someone breaks into your home and kills you or takes everything you love from you
>>286660586>because the information about five seconds cooldown doesn't save NarutoEven more useless information is Jiraiya's dying message, all these characters out here sacrificing themselves for absolute scraps of intel that are barely relevant
Why do we constantly have one anon who responds to each image in one post and lodges the most minor complaints? Also he shows EVERY DAY
>>286637313The uzamakis are a big clan, could've been any of them. Also the resemblance thing is a stretch.
>>286662364He's been doing this since the start of these dailies. He's mentally ill.
>>286644735Didn't oro get access to him due to being a sannin and having clearance and all that?
12 days until HE returns...
Chapter 441: Rasen-Shuriken vs. Almighty Push!!
>>286638158This, people say Obito fought "evenly" with Minato when in reality he got no hits in, had to take advantage of a baby hostage, and got practically OHKO and then MARKED so that the next hit would be fatal(albeit the first should've killed him)
>>286637729I mean it is, just occasionally certain ninja can harness that power.
>>286662559Is he using sage mode to sense that Hinata is still alive here?
>>286662475What location is that?
>>286662475ARIGATO, OUR LEADER!
>>286662487>Nagato calling out Kishimoto
>>286662487>when you nut but she keeps on sucking
>>286662598>The S wordYep, Pain is done for
>>286662572What is Tenten thinking?
>>286662658Literally how the fuck did Naruto know this would work?
>>286637351Minayos answer here makes sense. It isn't money per se, but the fact that people have super powers in this world. Especially when it's later revealed that ninjutsu comes from ninshu which was supposed to bring people together. In our world, we have regular weak flesh and blood humans that can be kept in check with powerful technology. If 7/10 people had the capability to be chunin/jonin tier, there would just be nonstop violence but on a scale that would halt our progress as humans. The fact that the Naruto universe chose to monetize this only adds fuel to the flames.
>>286662598Cute pout
>>286662680>>286662598Pain mentioning Sasuke here feels like something from a fanfic/fan animation.It feels so awkward.
>>286638076>>286650402Minato is a leader of a country. He's supposed to be this wise. He's just doing the best he can. Remember the song Viva la vida?
>>286662475SEX WITH BIG BOOBS HINATA
>>286662487What a wife
>>286662487>HACK! HACK!
>>286646666>>286646112All these years and you people still fail to understand that boruto was using the most scum tactics to date and was not befitting of a Shinobi of the leaf nor the child of the hokage. Literally should've lost to shikamarus kid but got saved by his wiggling his ninja tech out
>>286662705Pain gets his "fell for the simplest shit ever AGAIN" reward now
>>286648667Lee and everyone else in the Naruto chunin exams worked harder and learned their techniques than what boruto did.
>>286661576based
>>286662705>gets destroyed like a regular rasenshuriken>it's actually a shadowcloneWhat the fuck is this?
>>286662683I wish Neji cared this much when I broke my back..
>>286637431You know if Naruto was in serious pain/weakened and the Shinobi from the village stepped in to help at this moment that would make more sense. Just give Naruto the last hit for the sake of action.
>Naruto Uzamaki, I will beat you within an inch of your life!>>286662644>OOF!>>286662678>T-THAT'S NOT GOOD!>>286662685>U-UH...>>286662694>Oh, no I totally got this.>>286662705>OH NO, I TOTALLY DON'T GOT THIS!Pain century of humilation.
>>286662848It was a Shadow Clone of a Rasenshuriken.
>>286662533Why is it called Planetary construction if even at its greatest (as stated by the character so far) it only created the moon. Is the implied world creation myth of the world that someone made Earth with it?
>>286662739Sasuke is a topic of discussion at the Tobi/Pain/Konan round table meetings tbf
>>286662487Nagato says this because what else can he assume?
>>286662644Naruto could just stall Pain for Guy-sensei to show up and he'd piece him up for him btw.Probably wouldn't even need 7th Gate.
>>286662658He couldn't have possibly known that that was a chakra receiver this is such an asspull
>>286662949Seeing as aliens exist and have conquered other worlds, it wouldn't be that absurd to assume that happened at one point in pre history
>>286662764Yeah, Yahiko's.
Can Naruto spawn 2k Rasenshuriken clones?
>>286662658>>286662678>I BACK-TRACED IT>CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME
>>286663026The Naruto that fought Kaguya might be able to.
>>286662955I always liked how Akatsuki had it's own inner circle.
>>286662949Ceres is called a minor/dwarf planet and it's much smaller than our moon.
>>286662828Boruto was training fair and square along side showing good progress until he went fuck it because daddy wasn't praising him for learning.
>>286662475>cover for a dead characterA bit uncalled for, isn't it?
>>286662705You can CLONE rasengans????
>>286662630I don't know why pain didn't figure that Naruto could simply beat him in other ways. I guess pain can accurately see the amount of chakra Nart has but even he should know that he can't really face him in taijutsu alone and with his current level of exhaustion. I mean he couldn't even get a shinra tensei out in time
>>286662954>>286662705Arigatou, OP!
>>286662678>botnet master gets his ip address leaked
>>286662769
>>286663012>>286662701Guys. If Naruto is aware there is a person pulling the strings, how can that person be doing it? What is the common thing all the pain bodies have? Is it not the black rods? Did Tendo not shove his chakra through Naruto with the black rod? And Tendo is controlled by said black rods through Nagato? Come on guys. You guys would never make it to jonin level if you can't figure this out in the heat of battle.
>>286662729I asked this before but why is Nagato just skin and bones? even cripples don't lose weight to that extent, and if that's the result of expending chakra then he should have died a long time ago
>>286663022She's essentially been engaged to Nagato for like 15 years at this point, maybe longer>>286662705
>>286662678It's funny that Nagato gets the eye panel used against him here
>>286662830WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE WOUNDED TOAD HINATA IS DYING
>>286663221>She's essentially been engaged to Nagato for like 15 years at this point, maybe longer
>>286663202He refuses to eat anything but chicken nuggies and Konoha sanctioned Ame so no more chicken nuggies
>>286662685What I dislike about this series is the insistence on certain signature moves and the small move pool for most characters despite the power system allowing for a diverse move set. Like why use this risky technique here when pain is reeling from a kick? Well, after all, Naruto really doesn't have many techniques in the first place.
>>286663194Brother, the jonins in the story took an eternity to figure something more simpler than this out, so Naruto thinking of doing this on the fly is a bit hard to swallow.
>>286663244Naruto doesn't give a shit about Hinata.
>>286662487Nothing gets me hyped for a final battle like a shot of the villain looking like he has stage 3 T-virus and about two minutes left to live before the fight even starts. Surely this won't diminish the hero's victory.>>286662504...done in service of closing the plothole "how does Naruto escape the gravity of the planetary construction jutsu.>>286662533How did the slug suvive all of that? 4tails is skin-melting levels of chakra.>>286662598Come to think of it, Sasuke is in the Akatsuki now. The perfect bait for Naruto. You don't even have to let them fight, it would be easy to lure Naruto away from the village and capture him this way>>286662658>>286662678This is an even bigger ass pull than Minato's appearance. The konoha scientists were studying these rods for days? Weeks? And they knew they were transmitters. They have sensory ninja. But Naruto is just that much better at it than everyone else because uh... uhhh...sage mode guys. And the shit icing on this turd cupcake is that now Nagato suddenly knows about the specific capabilities of sage chakra when he had no idea before.>>286662685>>286662694>>286662705Where's the guy who told me the fight wasn't over yesterday? Because Nagato is actively dying,Tendo is on the verge of collapse after one kick, and Naruto is at 100% strength.
>>286663287He literally cried for her in this chapter.
>>286663275Naruto should have just made a gorillion shadow clones and kicked Pain's shit in, he doesn't have any sage clones to distract anymore
>>286662800But it was fine when toriyama did it, right?
>>286663202>but why is Nagato just skin and bones?Because he used the gedo statue
>2 chapters in 1 threadWe're back comfy bros
>>286663341>Brings up Dragonball out of nowhere as an argument
>>286663341Frieza's actually arguably even stupider here since considering he couldn't dodge them I don't know what his plan was after he cut Goku and they kept going. Anyway he can also get an award.
>>286662896>HE BACKTRACED MY IP?
>>286663302Seeing as it's already revealed that Nagato is being used, I don't see why this scene would diminish the victory for you. If anything, the tobi mastermind confirmation means the Akatsuki is still in full swing
>>286663341Freeza is a shit fighter whose carried by having the biggest power level in (most of) the universe, him being outwitted by his own move because he's seething over someone being stronger than him makes sense.Nagato being outsmarted by a genin half his age doesn't.
>>286663376Kinda amusing it's during the Pain arc that's been hyped up forever...what killed the hype? Lol
>>286662789Reminder that they are paid mercenaries, not knights of the round table. If it turns out that susanoo loses to a handgun then guess what, they're gonna be out of a job pretty quick if they don't find a way to beat handguns. Again, what jutsu mastery did Naruto or Hinata show off in their chunin exams? It was literally shadow clone and nothing else right? Hiruzen didn't drop down from the stands and hold Naruto back from punching Neji because he was "cheating" with nine tails chakra. It's dumb.
>>286663126>>286662848>it's actually a shadowcloneIt's not a shadow clone. It's the shadow shuriken jutsu where you hide another shuriken in the shadow of the first. Sasuke did it against Zabuza
>>286663362>NOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU KILL MY BVLL!!! *CHUDFIES SELF*
I love how this chapter still makes people SEETHE WITH ENDLESS RAGE decades later. >shippers: WHAT ABOUT HINATA? MY SHIPPING FANSERVICE KISHIII I’M TIRED OF LADYGT DABBING ON ME ON NARUTO FORUMMSS>theorycrafters: TOBI IS NOT MINATO? NOOOOOO TOBI = OBITO CAN’T BE THIS OBVIOUS I MUST SHOW OFF MY INTELLIGENCE TO THE FANBASE MY SELF-CONCEPT DEPENDS ON IT KISHIII
>>286663302>The konoha scientists were studying these rods for days? Weeks? And they knew they were transmitters. They have sensory ninjaDifference is that none of the scientists are dumb enough like Naruto, to jam the rod into their own body to get the signal to trace it.
>>286663453That doesn't make it better
>>286663302>schizo babble
>>286663194What you're saying would make sense, if it wasn't NARUTO figuring it out. The evidence is there sure and even if you didn't take chakra frequency classes, you should be able to figure it out. That is, if you're a character with the battle experience and IQ of Jiraiya, Orochimaru or even working in Intel like Shikaku or Ino's dad. Kakashi could've probably figured it out too eventually although back tracing is it's own issue to be solved that can be resolved by knowing signals work best when sent from large towers and that Nagato must be close and in such a place as the leaf eventually figured out.
>>286662475She's perfect bros
>>286663482>>TOBI IS NOT MINATO?what retard ever thought this
>>286663012>>286662701>>286663302He has Katsuyu sitting on his shoulder, retards, and part of her is literally with every single nigger in the village, so it would not make any sense for her not to be aware of the rod's purpose. Not to mention he already has experienced being pierced by the rods
>>286663482>LADYGT DABBING ON ME ON NARUTO FORUMMSSI thought she only posted in NS dedicated sites?
>>286662518I don't get it, why did he automatically go into sage mode after he went back to normal?
>>286663302>But Naruto is just that much better at it than everyone else because uh... uhhh...sage mode guys.the frequency changes too quickly, they already tried that. sage mode is just RWR combined with energy generationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_warning_receiverthat said, if they plugged chakra receivers into a hivemind like katsuyu, they could EASILY have triangulated his location with just 3 of her i learned this shit in 3rd grade
>>286662487I bet he regrets wasting his chakra on nuking Konoha now
>>286663302Sage mode uses nature energy. Normal people use their own chakra. We can assume that sage mode largely works through external mechanisms whereas chakra is an internal mechanism. If Naruto is aligned with "nature" a force completely outside of him, then this technique isn't that absurd
>>286663486Well first, it makes what you said wrong. Second, it doesn't make better because there was never an issue to begin with.
>>286663529You underestimate how much denial the entire Tobi = Obito theory brought to Naruto scholars. IT COULDN’T BE THIS EASY KISHI IS A BETTER WRITER THAN THISlol
>>286662559So this does confirm that he remembers Hinata confessing to him, since he also remembers she passed out. Guess that shoots the "Naruto just didn't remember the confession because he transformed" idea out the window.
>>286662705>>286662954Thanks op
>>286663431>what killed the hype?The constant spam and autism in these threads have had drove people away.
>>286662705Maybe instead of wasting time killing his comrades and waxing poetic Nagato should have paid attention to Naruto's consistent habit of shadow cloning everything
>>286662518>>286662644So how the fuck is Nardo maintaining Sage Mode?
>>286662598>SASUKESASUKESASUKESASUKE out of nowhereHoly shit lmao
>>286663482>TOBI IS NOT MINATONobody has ever said this. Did you mean Pain?
>>286663562>Konan: Nagato, please just give up on your baby rage and wait for Tobi to back us up since he has Anti-Ninetails Genjutsu, you have no reason to kill yourself over this...>Nagato: S-SHUT UP KONAN! THIS FUCKING CHUD NARUTO IS GONNA GET DESTROYED ANY SECOND NOW!
>>286663549He says it right there. The kyuubi transformation dispelled the last clone he had back at the mountain. Dispelling meditating clones is how he maintained his sage mode all fight because it transfers all their chakra to him.
>>286663538The argument is that we did not see Naruto being informed about this(?)
>>286663610It wasn't a clone though.
>>286663544Yes. LadyGT pioneered the idea of creating gatekept forums with the sole purpose of namecalling and bashing specific users from other shipping fanbases. That’s how she avoided bans on main Naruto Forums.
>>286663202Konan fucked the life out of him, which is also why he has to use his wheelchair or whatever the fuck it is. She pulverized his hips.He designed the 6 paths jutsu to stave off her ravenous sexual hunger.
>>286663606Fair, thread is moving very quick right now though
>>286662734ZESTurto
>>286663341Freeza didn't fall for anything. That isn't Goku's attack, it's Freeza's. Goku tried to warn him to get out of the way but he was too slow. See, when a story is planned out more than two chapters at a time, you get this thing called "theming". The theme of Freeza's fight and his downfall is that he brought all of it on himself. Every action that brought him to this point was his decision, from exterminating the sayans, to massacring the namekians, to toying with Nail and the z-fighters, and finally going out of his way to inflict as much cruelty on Goku as possible. And after this attack hits, Goku spells it out and tells Freeza that he brought it on himself, and that now all that awaits him is sharing the fate of the planet that Freeza himself has destroyed.Go ahead, explain how Pain is like this in any way.
>>286663275One piece characters get one fruit and maximize its use in the most absurd ways. Meanwhile Sakura just punches and heals. At least with HxH it made sense since Nene isn't as forgiving if you are retarded. In Naruto it's sad to see because the only reason it's like this is for marketing/sales and the storm games wouldn't work if hinato got to do fireballs when normalfags only understand that that is a Uchiha exclusive move
>>286663549CAN YOU READ ENGLISH?
>>286663572Anon it doesn't matter what it actually is, he effectively threw a "fake" rasenshuriken that hits just like the real thing (?) along side another.This is BUSTED.
>>286662475She looks so soft...
>>286662678It's really funny how sage mode was the proto version of Hashirama cells. Just a massive asspull that does whatever the plot calls for.
>>286663616Like he did with other sage clones, they pop and he gets the buff for limited time. If he doesn't completely run it down with rasengan shuriken he has a few minutes.
>>286663482Tobi = obito isn't obvious. It's retarded. Like how the fuck having a name consisting of the same letters, somewhat of a similar haircut and one eye is enough of a basis for them to be the same person when we know that Obito's other side got squashed; he would be just a teenager during nine tails attack; he had a madara haircut at one point; he had access to hundreds of sharingans; he's an uchiha and his body not being retrieved makes zero sense
>>286663561In their defence, they had the resources to do this but they reacted to the attack in a very poor display showing the leaf really got weak after decades of no widespread attack(and I guess hiruzen didn't allocate the budget to defense spending?). Also in your defense, while you learned that in the third grade, the average normalfags doesn't know how to do that and that's even factoring in whether or not they are brown.
>>286663656Ya know, Narutofags are so deranged that i have no idea whether or not you're being sarcastic here.
>>286637153i read the daily chappy then i do a little fappy
>>286663744Kakashi has KamuiTobi has something that looks like Kamuiggz
>>286663687What are you on about retard? Toriyama himself admitted that he'd winged it as he'd gone. DB is a shitshow of a loosely connected fights with no thematic or narrative value
>>286663707>he effectively threw a "fake" rasenshuriken that hits just like the real thingHe didn't throw a fake one. He made TWO and throw them both. He just hide the 2nd one in the shadow of the first one. That's why Naruto isn't in sage mode after anymore since he can other use the rasenshuriken twice.
>>286663767lol I wish I was joking. It was real and pretty much the reason why shipping war feuds were particularly bitter in this series.
>>286662705I thought "shadow shuriken" was supposed to refer to shuriken that were hidden in the shadows of other shuriken. Wtf is this?
>>286662630Why didn't Pain pull Naruto toward him like before? He instagibbed him with it last time.
>>286663863>I thought "shadow shuriken" was supposed to refer to shuriken that were hidden in the shadows of other shurikenIt is. That's what he used here.
>>286662705>>286662954Thanks, OPink!
>>286663832This should be technically impossible considering Rasengans produce their own light AND they were thrown in a downwards angle.
>>286663431The hype was there these last three days, we had a 700+ reply thread. Compare that to the Asura daily, the one piece daily, the kenichi daily and the case closed daily that are currently being posted.
>>286662705Why didn't he just jump?
>>286663863Bad translation or Kishi just being a retard. The idea here I think is that Naruto threw two shurikens one after another. They weren't overlapping each other.In the simplest terms he threw two attacks where Pain can only deflect one. And he didn't notice the second one behind the one he dispelled.You can't pull off a shadow shuriken with rasenshurikens and the page isn't even showing that move anyway
>>286663983Because top tiers have no concept of conserving chakra.
>>286663637>>286663695So was Naruto also in sage mode while he was in the 8 tails form?
The idea of it being in the shadow of the Rasenshuriken is stupid because Almighty Push could have dispelled both lmaoIt makes more sense that Naruto just threw a transformed copy of something that looked exactly like a Rasenshuriken but wouldn't have hit like one, and then threw the real Rasenshuriken afterwards
>>286663957This isn't real life.
Come on guys... There's no way Tobi is Obito, that would be way too obvious. It most likely is Madara himself. Or maybe it's Sasuke from the future? Because who else is there that has a Sharingan, think about it. Either way, this Obito stuff is clearly a red herring
>>286664039>Almighty Push could have dispelled bothIt could've he had know there was another hidden one, but he only made his push strong enough for just 1.
>>286664096It's actually clearly Izuna. Him being Madara is dumb but how else could he know who Madara is?
>>286637375>I’m not smart!This is the moment the SMARTruto buff runs out.
>>286664096He literally said he was Madara
>>286664143It was actually the Toads who came up with those GENIUS plans during the initial Paths fight.
>>286646666Something something it cheapens the practice of the sacred Ninjutsu arts etc. Don’t think too hard about it, I doubt Kishi wrote that.
>>286664096>It most likely is Madara himselfIt should've been. I hate that faggot Obito.
>>286664044Then at least do something less confusing and entertaining with this?
>>286662705I feel like it should be so easy to exploit the 5 second window. Literally just spam projectiles at one second intervals against him.
>>286663432Naruto showcased his mastery of the forbidden technique no one else can do because Naruto has stamina. Hinata showed off her taijutsu and got slaughtered so it was fine plus she's the princess so hiruzen likely has to allow her to compete regardless lest the hyuga lose face. Also you're ignoring the context here. When Naruto went nine tails, Hiruzen was immediately surprised and wondered how he knew how to control it. That and the fact that hiruzen is likely aware that some plot is currently going on behind the scenes of this even outweigh him jumping down and teaching a moral lesson. During Naruto's presidency, it is shown to be relatively more peaceful. The chunin exams aren't like what they were during the thirds, and Naruto isn't worried that a snake pedo or the kazekage is plotting something. Furthermore Naruto notices something is amiss during the match just like Hiruzen did. What Naruto notices doesn't involve a WMD that a 12 year old boy is learning to control. It involves his son cheating and going behind his back and robbing people out of their victory.Furthermore, Naruto is right to assume that if bort over relies on ninja tech and neglects his own abilities he would be slaughtered one day. Bort should've LOST some of those fights but got saved by technology -He didn't create(thus he isn't aware of it's limitations or it's inner workings)-He just received(so unlike Kiba he's likely never done training with these tools for years and unlike kekkai genkai it isn't even an intuitive ability)I also seem to recall that Sasuke was told he would've gotten DQ'ed if he allowed the curse mark to run rampant. The same curse mark which technically allowed him to break Zakus arm and spook the sound three.The narrative is there man
>>286664096Being obvious wasn't the issue. When things are obvious it's a sign they were properly foreshadowed. The issue was that the arguments for Obito being Tobi were beyond retarded
>>286662103Only reasonable explanation.
organic thread hours
>>286663707A fake rasenshuriken made out of a steel weapon as opposed to a human transforming into a steel weapon?
>>286662475This cover got analyzed and dissected harder than the Mona Lisa. Shippers were THAT desperate about Hinata’s fate.
>>286664218>less confusingNon-retards understood what happened.
>>286663635>Please... Nagat->MY PAIN IS GREATER
>>286664287In what way was it analyzed
>>286663482Reminder that Kishi straight up lied and said Tobi wasn't Obito. Also I vividly remember assume=Obito being spammed more. Then again, I wasn't browsing this site at 10-11 years old
>>286664236>The issue was that the arguments for Obito being Tobi were beyond retardedSHARINGAN IN HIS RIGHT EYEKAKASHI HAS A SHARINGAN IN HIS LEFTBOTH TELEPORTWHO TF ELSE COULD IT BE
>>286664243cope
>>286637454Naruto would have snapped his own neck there without Sage Mode strengthening btw.
>>286664287I’ve been reading your posts for a while. You seem to know a LOT about how things were back then…
>>286664321And this is not a retarded argument? Minato also could teleport. Tobi had access to numerous eyes from both Madara's collection and the Uchiha massacre. Obito's body not being retrieved makes zero sense given that it was established that giving up secrets to a village or clan's technique is a big no no in Narutoverse
>>286664381too many uncs on this board cuh
>>286664381he's Kishimoto
>>286664309Shan’t tell. I still cringe irl thinking about it.
>>286664309NHshippers could swear the building on the top right is a church. They also asked why Kish drew a cover for a dead character if she were truly dead. That’s the two bits I remember.
>>286663635>>286664302I find the idea of Nagato chimping out (to the great exasperation of Konan) over the most minor of issues whenever he's confronted about something hilarious>Nagato please put the toilet seat down after you take a->MY PAIN IS GREATER THAN YOURS! ALMIGHTY PUSH!
>>286664411>Minato also could teleportNot with the teleportation looking like Kamui lmfao>Tobi had access to numerous eyes from both Madara's collection and the Uchiha massacre. Obito's body not being retrieved makes zero senseNo one would have noticed that Obito had his other eye extracted, and Tobi just felt like spamming Kamui instead of any other eyeball power? Kamui makes it clear he was Obito, stop coping. There's no one else it could be even if you're retarded and thought it was Danzo or something.
>>286664381The oldest Naruto readers are middle-aged now.
>>286664381Suspicious... Isn't it? Almost like he's somehow traveled from the past into the future...But time travel isn't possible... Is it?
>>286664423>uncs
>>286664293Not an argument, everyone understands the uchiha massacre and that doesn't stop it from being convoluted.
>>286664482We literally saw Hinata being conscious in the last chapter and this chapter confins she's alive.
>>286664381Yeah, I was following weekly when this arc was ongoing. Of course I know everything about shipping wars as well: those retards broke containment many times on this arc.
>>286664230Yes technically two people fighting him at once and he’s owned easily
>>286664632Pinkshitter psyops had NHshippers aprehensive about Hinata’s chances.
>>286664646We're on to you.
>>286663824He didn't wing it from chapter to chapter, you retard. The whole Freeza arc is clearly planned from start to finish with the whole super sayan thing. What he winged was arc-to-arc. There was no Cell planned when he was writing Namek. There's a difference between that and forgetting the rules of jutsu from two chapters ago.
>>286664530Most of the time when Kamui is used you don't even see the swirls. Not only that but the sharingan wasn't even activated when it was used most of the time. >No one would have noticed that Obito had his other eye extractedSharingan is literally the only thing village would care about if it went missing, so of course they would've noticed, how is it relevant anyway?
I missed you, Tentenfag.
>>286664707He literally fucking said that he was sitting on his ass till it was the last day of the deadline every week you clueless retard
>>286662626Yes.
>>286664235Repeating the bad in-universe reasoning is not an argument. It doesn't make sense and I explained why. They are mercenaries. The chunin exam is a combat-readiness test. For mercenaries. With no rules on the battlefield. If Boruto can show up not knowing shit and punch at jonin level with some scrolls, he is at minimum someone you want in the strategy part of the cabinet, if not a resourceful soldier.
>>286664756> didn't read the mangamany such cases
>>286663588Which in turn made Naruto seem like a scumbag for the remainder of the series because he didn’t give her a proper answer (not even in the war arc).Going forward, you will notice a pattern of Naruto giving his back to Hinata in any scene they share. This doesn’t stop until the late arc, where Neji had to sacrifice himself for the ship.
>>286664596Just because you were too retarded to understand a genin level technique being used doesn't mean it's convoluted.
>>286663362nigga just eat some beef
>>286664530also>looking like KamuiThis shit looked nothing like Kamui at first
there's no way Hidan wasn't absolutely blazing Konan for being 35, single, and childlesshe's the exact sort of guy who would fuck with her for a laugh
>>286665004They look extremely similar you retard. You're genuinely just stupid lmfao, they both even have the "slurped into a hole" thing. No other teleportation looks like that.
>>286665027Or he'd praise her for being celibate Also, I think everyone from the Akatsuki besides Itachi is a virgin
>>286665069Actually even Itachi is probably a virgin
>>286665066How the fuck are they similar. Zetsu's teleportation is more similar to Tobi's kamui than Kakashi's kamui. You can clearly see the fucking distortion when Kakashi uses his kamui and no distortion when Tobi does. His body simply disappears
>>286664924An anon in the thread literally explained how what Naruto did doesn't even match what Sasuke pulled against Zabuza.
>>286665069it wouldn't be a matter of his actual personal beliefs, he's just the sort of guy to say whatever he thinks will get under someone's skin.
>>286664715>so of course they would've noticed, how is it relevant anyway?that was rhetorical dipshit, it was pointing out that they would've complained that Obito's other eye was missing if they DID retrieve his body
>>286664524lmao
>>286664981He did later on
>>286664924Substitution is bellow genin level and it's the most bullshitly convoluted technique in the setting.
>>286665066Not to mention that his phasing clearly doesn't require his body being sucked into one point and he literally teleports part of his body to kamui dimension
>>286665127They both hid their 2nd shuriken in the shadow of their first one. It was the same. Again, just because you're too retarded to understand a manga meant 12 year olds doesn't mean it's convoluted.
>>286665119He's getting VISIBLY SLURPED into a hole AND there's smaller particles around the hole that looks similar to the other Kamui's distortion. It looks NOTHING like Zetsu's; you see his body get folded in on itself, he doesn't just phase into the ground.
>>286665153Well, guess what retard? it could've easily had nothing to do with Obito's eye or it even could've been stolen after they'd retrieved the body
>>286665236Except there's absolutely no way the Shadow of the rasenshuriken would be behind it from that angle, if it even has a Shadow in the first place.
>>286665204>and it's the most bullshitly convoluted technique in the settingNo it isn't.
>>286665240The particles are there even before he starts teleporting, retard. These are most likely just leaves falling or some shit. There's still zero distortion there unlike when Kakashi uses it
>>286665217That doesn't change the fact that he's getting clearly sucked into a hole when he first uses it. He's obviously using some variation of Kamui when he sucks himself into a hole. You could reason the phasing as some advanced application or another jutsu.>>286665264And then that leads into Danzo or some fuckwad being Tobi which is even more retarded. Shocker, Obito's body not being recovered makes the most sense.
>>286665276>there's absolutely no way the Shadow of the rasenshuriken would be behind it from that angleIt was hence why it worked.
>>286665345>if you ignore all of the differences and different applications and focus on the fact that he kinda gets sucked into a single point which is not at all that clear from the image and also have the benefit of hindsight it's clearWell, who could've guessed>leads into Danzo or some fuckwadLiterally just play it straight and make him Madara what's the issue with that?
>>286665331That's an oddly concentrated amount of falling leaves dumbfuck.>Kamui works by sucking things into holes>Kakashi's left eye sucks thing into holes>Tobi, the character whose design puts focus on his one right eye, sucks himself into a holeit doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to make the connection you imbecile.And yes, it DOES look like Kamui, and it ENDED UP BEING KAMUI.
>>286662598>he used the S wordThis is why Nagato lost. He had to use Naruto's trigger word.
>>286665439Jesus Christ, you retard. I suppose that means that third raikage is Kakashi without the mask because his jutsu looks hella similar to Raikiri
>>286663302Holy shit all of your complaints are fucking retarded.
>>286665490Have they ever been seen in the same panel together?
>>286665425>>and focus on the fact that he kinda gets sucked into a single point which is not at all that clear from the imageIt's extremely clear that he gets sucked into a hole you mouthbreather. You see his body contorting, much like Deidara's arn.>Literally just play it straight and make him Madara what's the issue with that?Because if he was actually Madara he wouldn't claim to be Madara lmfao. And why would Madara go out and grab Obito's Kamui? Obito just happens to have the same Sharingan power as him?
>>286665439You know what there's also uzumaki clan that has swirl as their clan symbol and rasengan is also does the spiral thing so that means it's actually kushina behind the mask she just picked up a couple of tricks from her teleporting husband
>>286664821Mercenaries in their world means something different. Naruto's Kage era and Hiruzens era are two different eras. The chunin exams are fought for different reasons these days
>>286665490The conclusion would be that they were taught by someone similar to have that jutsu, not that they're the same person dumbfuck. We have no reason to believe the Raikage had a hidden identity, Tobi clearly does. Kakashi's left eye ability is extremely similar to Tobi's ability, who could likely perform said ability with his right eye. People correctly guessed this back in 2007 dumbfuck.
>>286665563You just can't handle "slurping things into holes" being a very specific and obvious connection, huh.
>>286665315Then every other time it's used it's treated like teleportation.
>>286665004It does though if you factor in how obitos arm must be moving in a spiral in order to cover his whole body
>>286665554Why the fuck wouldn't he? It's not like shonen managa is famous for being subtle. Reveals always require character to either state their name or show their face.>And why would Madara go out and grab Obito's Kamui?Ok, he doesn't. it's his own mangekyou at that point we only knew that Obito's kamui works the way Kakashi was using it. itachi's mangekyo has two completely unrelated abilities for example. if it bothers you so much make Obito related to him. if you do want it to be Obito's sharingan specifically why wouldn't Madara get as many tools at his disposal as possible and considering that Obito's kamui is the most OP thing in the manga why wouldn't madara use it?
>>286665347The fact it worked is why this discussion extended to this point in the first place.
>>286665755No the discussion happened because you thought it was a clone until you were proven wrong. And not accepting you were wrong you had to make up another issue to whine about.
>>286665686It's a superficial connection that is not as obvious as you claim it to be from the way it is depicted and doesn't in any way make the circumstances of the events that make the conclusion to be possible any more believable
>>286665715No it isn't.
>>286665736>Why the fuck wouldn't he? It's not like shonen managa is famous for being subtle. Reveals always require character to either state their name or show their face."I'm Madara btw" (doesn't take his mask off, just trust him)Imagine being filtered by Kishimoto's 4th grade-tier writing. Him claiming to be Madara is an obvious red herring since there's still a reveal to be had. At most, something that would make sense would be Madara possessing Obito, since there's no reason to keep his face covered if he's actually Madara.>that Obito's kamui is the most OP thing in the manga why wouldn't madara use it?Probably because Obito died as a 10 year old and we have zero clue if he was able to perform Kamui or not. This hinges on Madara trying out every single Mangekyo he scrounged up. Also on him being actually Madara which no one believed and would be pointless lmao, since this is "what if Madara just happened to have a similar ability/the same ability as Obito", opposed to "it's Obito because it's his ability".
>>286665634kakashi has hidden identity though, retard, and given that the similarities between the jutsu are even more stark clearly it is the right conclusion following your retarded logic
>>286660586But he uses the 5 seconds intel to actually win
>>286662949>Why is it called Planetary constructionBecause it sounds edgy & cool, unc
>>286665796Because my post was about how it thought this was rather busted and the rest of the discussion became about how logically this shouldn't have worked.
>>286663302Man this is a real mentally ill post right here. Clinical levels of nitpicking.>AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE VILLAIN IS GETTING TIRED AFTER PULLING THE CRAZIEST SHIT AND NARUTO DIDN'T GET CRUSHED BY SAID THING
>>286665829>It's a superficial connection that is not as obvious as you claim it to beWhat other hole slurping spacial jutsus exist at that point in time when the chapter was revealed? Later chapters confirming he has a Sharingan just made it more obvious.>>286665904Kakashi does not have a hidden idenity and no one is claiming Kakashi to be Tobi. Please seek help.
>>286663549>>286662518Naruto actually took that time in the smoke to reactivate Sage Mode, he didn't get the chakra from these clones.
>>286665960Something doesn't work logically just because you don't like it.
>>286662585Pretty raw
>>286666007>he didn't get the chakra from these clonesIt's crazy how many people in these threads just can't read.
>>286662644Why didn't Naruto pursue here? Pain was on the ground
>>286666012Then why did you say this >>286664044 when i said a Shadow couldn't possibly be behind the rasenshuriken from that angle?
>>286662598>random sauce spills out of Pain's pockets Pain... once you were revealed to be Nagato you lost all aura and respect
>>286666069He lost that clone. That doesn't mean he got the chakra from it. The way Naruto used clones as batteries before had him 1. summon the clone and 2. dispel it manually. What happened here was obviously very different.
>>286665886The fact that he didn't reveal his face didn't mean he wasn't madara it meant he could have more secretes up his sleave. Like we knew who Sasori was and the reveal was that he is as young looking as he was decades ago and is also a puppet>Probably because Obito died as a 10 year old and we have zero clue if he was able to perform Kamui or not.Madara was the strongest Uchiha to have ever lived who managed to uncover the deepest secrets of sharingan. He literally could have been written to figure out how to awaken mangekyou even in the eyes that didn't belong to him and why wouldn't he try on every sharingan he had access to. He literally told Obito if he were to leave he'd just take his sharingan
>>286665869This technique quite literally shouldn't work the way it does if the characters fighting have rivaling speed but that didn't stop it from being used.
>>286662701>>286663538>>286663647>>286663506>>286663194Naruto got pierced by these rods and felt Nagato's chakra penetrating him (no homo), it's really easy to think he's know this would work
>>286662705What? What did Naruto do? He made two but one was fake? How do you fake an attack like this?This is like Kakashi laying all these tunnels underground
>>286663275I agree that Deva Path should have been shown to be more dangerous in CQC to Sageruto for this to make more sense, using Rasenshuriken here was an overcommitment
>>286666187It wasn't a fake, the first one was just perfectly behind the other.
>>286666122It makes no sense for madara to wear a mask and still claim he's madara
>>286665975There's not slurping hole in the image retard. We see Tobi standing, then we see half of his torso and legs, then we see a fucking black blip that could be a bottom of his shoe or some shit.>>286665975>Kakashi doesn't have a hidden identityHe literally does it's even a running joke you dumb retard. >no one is claiming Kakashi to be TobiYeah but if your retarded logic is applied we can claim that he is the 3rd raikage
>>286666084>Then why did you say thisBecause you have autism.
Forget the logistics of the scene, Naruto wasting all his sage chakra on a cheap shot like this was very reckless of him considering Pain was losing in regular Taijutsu just seconds prior.
>>286666293Anon, you're on 4chan and in a Naruto thread on top.
>>286666115>That doesn't mean he got the chakra from itYes it does, that's how literally he knew he had lost it.
>>286663341Have you even read Dragon Ball, faggot?I don't have anything against Tendo using his Shinra Tensei on what is very likely a trick/setup, I don't think this is unbelievable... but Frieza fell for something quite complex actually.
>>286666246Why the fuck not? Sasori was wearing a mask and was claiming he was Sasori. If Kishi wanted to disclose that this guy is madara but have one additional reveal about him later that he is young that he grew sage of 6 paths horns or that he has a third eye or he looks like shinigami in some way he could've easily made him say as he did. It didn't help that every character in the story ate it up with no questions and he is even shown to show his identity to Kisame and was recognized as Madara by him after
https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/wrfdj/tobi_was_originally_meant_to_be_obito_and_its_the/
>>286666136>fighting have rivaling speedAnd they can temporarily raise that speed to swap out with an object.
>>286666328No, as you can see he went>UghAs in "fuck, this is a new bad unforeseen development". He is currently in sage mode, if he didn't make the moves to get in sage mode himself and got it from nowhere he'd know it was from the clone. But he was surprised to see he lost Sage mode. Because he got into sage mode on the spot by himself, and then sensed he lost his other clone.In fact this "Ugh I lost my clone" panel is foreshadowing for Naruto seeing he's not limited by clone batteries anymore and making clones to hide in the rubble.
>>286664230That's why Jiraiya is a better fit to fight Tendo, Naruto has two projectiles and after the second one he's suddenly way weaker.>>286664662Only if Pain doesn't stat check them which he does to a lot of people
>>286666410>NoYes. He only knows a clone far away had disappeared when it's chakra returns to him.
>>286662705>all these people confused by an incredibly simple setupAre these threads filled with people dumber than 8 year old Japanese kids?
>That's why Jiraiya is a better fit to fight Tendo
>>286666122He was hiding his face from Sasuke for literally zero reason if he was Madara lmfao.>He literally could have been written to figure out how to awaken mangekyou even in the eyes that didn't belong to him and why wouldn't he try on every sharingan he had access to.That's a whole lotta headcanon to make this retarded connection make sense.>>286666257>There's not slurping hole in the image retard.Ok, first of all, it clearly fucking is. Not only is that ACTUALLY HOW KAMUI FUCKING WORKS, but you see his body getting visibly slurped in the second panel, and that little black hole looks nothing like his shoe or something lmao.>He literally does it's even a running joke you dumb retard.Wearing a mask is not a hidden identity lmfao.>Yeah but if your retarded logic is applied we can claim that he is the 3rd raikageYour retarded gotcha doesn't even make sense. No one is claiming Kakashi is Tobi.
>>286664038No, he turned into sage during the puff of smoke.
>>286666377Does substitution also make the opponent have slower perception? Because if you can do that you may as well just cheap shot the opponent with the speed increase.
>>286666517didn't read
>>286666448>He only knows a clone far away had disappeared when it's chakra returns to himNo, he can dispel clones from far away manually (he did when he learned about the shared information thing with Kakashi). He has knowledge whether clones still exist or not.If Naruto could just dispel one of these clones from Mount Myoboku and get the sage chakra back then he wouldn't carry a scroll and force himself to summon these clones before canceling the jutsu. Hell, it made him fight Tendo in base which was obviously a shitty idea and could have gotten him killed.
>>286666483>Mogged by a frog beyond the grave
>>286662598>"no trigger warning"
>>286666535>NoYes. Well literally see it happen when Sasuke destroyed his clone in the Itachi pursuit arc.
>>286666483I really don't know why simple, objective statements like "Naruto has 2 projectiles, Jiraiya has many more he can spam" trigger your autism so bad you have to post some kind of wojak and make it some weird character war thing.
>>286663898Very risky with Naruto in sage mode and using that keeps taking a toll on him.
>>286666517Like there were not a lot of retarded writing there to justify Tobi being Obito lmao>it clearly fucking iscompare the images you blind retard. When Kakashi uses it there's significant distortion in the air surrounding the focal point of the jutsu and the sucked thing gets distorted in a star pattern it looks literally nothing like that when Tobi uses it>Your retarded gotcha doesn't even make sense. No one is claiming Kakashi is Tobi.If anybody is retarded here it's you you fucking moron since you clearly incapable of understanding that I merely show you how retarded your logic is by bringing up this example lmao
>>286666642We saw Naruto knowing a clone was destroyed, not what you claim (that Naruto can only know whether a clone is present or not by him being destroyed)
>>286663166Nagato should've hid himself behind 7 proxies...
>>286666665>like "Naruto has 2 projectilesHe has all his throwable ninja tools, plus he can turn himself into throwable ninja as well.
>>286666723>We saw Naruto knowing a clone was destroyed...because it's chakra returned to him. That's how it works.
>>286666517Also at first he literally takes off his masks when he introduces himself to Sasuke he only keeps it after because he got amateratsu'd for it. That's not to mention he had no reason to pretend to be Madara in front of him either and the genius Itachi who knew what Kakashi's mangekyo looked like didn't put two and two together
>>286666777>throwable ninja toolsNever been serious projectiles.>he can turn himself into throwable ninja Fucking really? We're talking about actual usable projectiles. Naruto can't pull stuff like this, that's the biggest challenge he faces against Tendo. This shouldn't be controversial.
>>286666704>Like there were not a lot of retarded writing there to justify Tobi being Obito lmaoThe entire point is explaining the circumstances needed for Tobi to be Obito or Madara from a theorycrafting perspective.>Obito survived and is Tobivs>Madara survived and is Tobi and he got Obito's Sharingan and somehow learned it was Kamui via his GOD OF SHINOBI innate Sharingan knowledge>compare the images you blind retard. When Kakashi uses it there's significant distortion in the air surrounding the focal point of the jutsuWhen Kakashi uses it you see a black hole with a lot of distortion that slurps stuff in and he uses it to kill stuff.When Tobi uses it you see a black hole with little/no distortion and he doesn't kill himself with it.How are you so stupid that you can't make such a simple connection between slurping black holes?>If anybody is retarded here it's you you fucking moron since you clearly incapable of understanding that I merely show you how retarded your logic is by bringing up this example lmaoIt's not even close to the same thing. I already explained to you that the logical conclusion would be Kakashi and Raikage learned the jutsu from the same person, not that Kakashi is Raikage lmfao. You're just being obtuse on purpose. Furthermore, Kakashi doesn't have a "hidden identity" like Tobi does either.Once more, this is actually what fucking happened. It's clearly Kamui, it ended up being Kamui, it's clearly Obito, it ended up being Obito.
>>286666819You are trying to prove Naruto can ONLY know a clone is destroyed because chakra has returned, which is wrong for many reasons, the first of which is pic related (he gets the clones memories which would definitely register more than minute changes in his chakra).Either way, what you need to prove here would be that Naruto can ONLY know a clone is active or not by his chakra levels. Because that's the only way for you to prove that Naruto only knows his clone is done because he's back in sage mode. And you've managed to prove the exact opposite by bringing this up. Good job. Fucking retard.
>>286666962He knew his clone was undone because it's chakra returned to him. Not sure why that triggers you.
>>286667022He knew his clone was undone because he got the information they were playing Roshambo from it being undone. Are you legitimately retarded? Or am I tricked into talking with sasjeet again? Thankfully I can leave these threads pretty soon, we're almost near the end of the good parts.
>>286666865>posts jobber flames as something "serious"Yep you're the jiraiyafag alright.
>>286667063He gets izzat every time you reply to him
>>286667063>because he got the information...which is chakra.
>>286667078It got ninjutsu Pain to stop and absorb it, so yes, it's usable fast projectiles, perfect for mid range setups. But there's obviously more, Doton to block Pain bodies (they couldn't escape it)...
>>286667140Or actual powerful projectiles like a sea of boiling oil with multiple elements.That'll be my last post in this thread seeing that >>286667092 is right.
>>286667140>It got ninjutsu Pain to stop and absorb itOk?
>>286666929The entire point is that you can handwave it even being a fucking mangekyou, retatd, since every fucking time Tobi uses the skill we don't even see his fucking sharingan activated.>You see it does actually look completely different with a slight similarity but that's exactly why it's the same skillAgain, you are retarded and should stop trying to argue >It's not even close to the same thingWhy the fuck should the logical conclusion be that they were taught by the same person and not that they just came up with a similar concept independently you dumb retard? Again I'm making fun out of your retarded ass when I bring up this example you just too fucking autistic to get a clue. > Kakashi doesn't have a "hidden identity" like Tobi does either.We literally don't know how Kakashi looks like. The reveal happened only after the story ended. So yes he indeed does have a secret identity since we don't fucking know what he looks like under the mask>It's clearly Kamui, it ended up being KamuiJust ignore that for the most of the time it was used before the sharingan reveal it was used without sharingan even being activated and that it looks completely different from Kakashi's outside of vaguely looking like it sucks things in one point. Again you are arguing with the benefit of hindsight you dumb fucking retard
>actual powerful projectiles like a sea of boiling oil Never injured a single person, jiraiyafag.
>>286667191-20 izzat
>>286641585>>286667092>>286667234Bot posts
>>286667225saw a video where it killed like a 100 mexicans a few years back, pretty deadly if properly mixed with air
>>286667456call me when mexicans start running on water
>>286666480The majority of the posters in these threads are barely literate retards.
>>286666528>Does substitution also make the opponent have slower perception?Did you see that mentioned when Sasuke explained how it worked?
>>286667765No, I was too distracted by Sakura's BBF (big beautiful forehead) to pay attention.
>>286667750It's a mix of illiterate retards, mentally ill spammers that get VERY obsessive about very niche things and a few idiots who still weren't sane enough to leave because there's a daily chapter to read.
