This is so true.
>>286672247Women empathetically self insert. That means that they deeply relate to a character based on certain superficial characteristics, and then inhabit that character emotionally. That’s why women care more about characters being the same race as them, or being customizable in vidya, or whatever. It’s how they prefer to enjoy stories in many cases. Therefore, good things that happen to female characters are more directly felt by women audiences. They are inhabiting the character directly on an emotional level, so if the character is rich, or pretty, or powerful, that is direct appeal. Men logically relate to characters. They relate to characters based on the degree, to which they agree with them, the degree to which they are similarly motivated to them, and the degree to which they find them interesting or entertaining. However, they don’t inhabit the character most of the time. Since the connection is logical and not empathetic, they tend to view the story from the protagonists perspective, but things that happen to the protagonist are still generally perceived as happening to a different individual. In action series, the main character is usually powerful and skilled and handsome. James Bond, for instance. In a romance series directed towards otaku, however, the appeal would be substantially harmed if audiences saw the main character as superior to them. By having meek, middlingly attractive, main characters that the audience feels superior to, even though they receive female attention, it gives the impression that the otaku could as well, seeing as he is superior. A male otaku that views a more handsome, more rich man get a girl in an anime feels jealousy, not victory.
I've watched and read a lot of shoujo, self insert girls are usually just as bland as the guys. 99% of them are meek and being bullied in some way, and most of them have very basic designs. I've even seen one that doesn't have a name, everyone just called her "you"
>>286672247will you ever get tired of posting the same thing over and over
>>286672247I self insert into this
>>286672838Simon is an actual character with an arc and development, he doesn't exist merely for the viewer to self-insert as him.I think OP is confusing self-inserts and Mary Sues which are not the same although there sometimes is overlap.
>>286672247I think that Shirou is genuinely really attractive and he's the greatest self-insert character in all of anime.He truly is the bone of his sword
>>286672247Im a a guy and I self insert into the left
Unless they're a total femcel chud, most 'loser' women still try to beautify themselves (makeup, diet, fashion). At least in public. Loser men that read self insert manga on the other hand are very allergic to putting in any effort to improve themselves.
>>286672971Probably because women are actually cared about, being a loser woman you will still end up reproducing even if you dont put in the effort, thus there is hope they can get someone better than their worst option.Loser men have zero hope so they give up and dont try
>>286673068More like female socialization from birth teaches women that they can only be worthy by putting in effort despite it not being that necessary.Its a mom daughter problem more than it is men.
>>286672737>A male otaku that views a more handsome, more rich man get a girl in an anime feels jealousy, not victory.That's not true, this anime was very successful and there was no j oh wait never mind it was axed and then the author had to start making his characters more pathetic.
>>286672247female authors are simply superior
>>286673165The problem is the audience and not the authors though. Refer to the axed series above.
I feel like the guy from alien headbutt is more like me
>>286672247Who'd want to self-insert as the kind of guys who kicked their asses on a daily basis in high school?
>>286672737So could this explain why men tend to self-insert into both male and female characters while women prefer females since they are closer to them?
none of you faggots know what a self insert isyou are not the author no character is your self insert
>>286672247>why do men not care about fashionTruly a mystery. Might have to do with being to busy self inserting into world saving heroes.
>>286672247>female self insert is a generic greasy foid stuffed into a cake or somethingi self-insert as kazuma anyway
>>286673322Sometimes writers write about you. All their stories come from the ether
Ushiromiya BattlerEmiya ShirouTohno ShikiFujii RenShirogane Takeru Grimm Blacksouls
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>>286672247But mysteriously this one thread won't get deleted...
>>286672737>>286673147The contradictory existence of the "otaku audience that is extremely mentally fragile yet somehow can perfectly execute the social and career cancellation of LN/manga/anime industry figures (and LN/manga/anime franchises) at the same time" shows that it was huge gaslighting operation that just kept going on and on until the isekai emergence in the early 2010s has shown that several of these isekai committing one supposed absolute taboo after another (e.g. MC actually having sex, harem actually being about polygamy and not just picking one out of ten, MC actually killing his enemies instead of sparing them because of retarded notions like "killing them would make him just like them", etc.) were doing just fine and all talk about needing to appease the "fragile otaku" turned out to be complete rubbish.
>female self insert tries to become the best version of herself >male self insert remains the same and still gets a full harem roster of hot girls just by being "nice"Malebros... we lost
>>286673516you tried
Nobody here is discussing anything, people are just giving their own conclusions starting from faulty premises and seeing who gets tired first.
>>286673165Watanare has a male author, but Renako isn't a self-insert for him or the audience. Yurifags and fujos are generally against self-inserting yourself into the story.
I self-insert as the gentleman on the left.In fact he's literally me.
>>286673532Reiji is getting closer and closer to abandoning his physical form so he can finally be with his one and only waifu which he created just for himself.
>>286673532>trieslollmao
>>286673693That's not a hentai, get your mind out of the gutter anon.
>>286673693What are you talking about, anon?I'm using my money and influence to make children's dream come true.
>>286673673I can't stand seeing lolis with ugly bastards. They deserve handsome groomers
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>>286672880>Simon is an actual character with an arc and development, he doesn't exist merely for the viewer to self-insert as him.You are implying such "self-insert" characters exist at all. But strangely enough no one can ever point them out irrefutably. I have never seen anyone actually properly establish a character as such that did not involve a combination of just doubling down on "this character is a self-insert because... I say so/it's obvious so there is no need to explain!" (alongside the convenient backtracking cop-out card of, upon losing the argument, "suddenly" pointing out that it was all actually about "author self-insert" all along!) while also dismissing any counter-points as "reading too much into it" or whatnot. But most importantly: The whole "self-insert" argument is retarded because it is psycho-analysis-fortune-telling pseudo-science that has the critic pretend that he can mind-read the thoughts of both the author and the supposed target audience in the past, the presence and even in the future somehow. And that for a story that the critic in question has in 99% of cases not even actually watched or read beyond maybe the first 3 episodes of the anime.
>>286672247Death Note killed the elitefag self insert categoryHolyland or maybe even Ajin killed the aspirational self insertthus, isekai
>>286673948This but the opposite.
>>286673165>female authors are simply superior...said no one ever
>>286673874Agree. I don't even ship Inori with Tsukasa but that's infinitely preferable to seeing her with an ugly bastard.
>>286672247Meh shoujo self inserts look plain and generic
>>286674811Preposterous. Look at her she's dresses for success and is the envy of the land.
fixed it for you
>>286672247My self-insert is Lelouch vi Britannia, so you're wrong.
>>286672247The bitch on the left abused time travel to have so much sex.
>>286673874Inori worked so hard for that medal. The ugly bastard is a real guy who did that to a real medalist.
>>286675512You got the story behind that?
>>286672247Both men and women want the same thing - to have high status and be loved and cared for without having to put any real effort into things or having to change any meaningful aspects of themselves. These things simply manifest themselves differently for men and women due to various reasons. That said, it is very easy to oversimplify and overgeneralize things like this, not to mention that "self-insert" is already a very vague term often mostly just used to belittle things one doesn't like.
>>286675547I'd settle for being dead but still nominally in existence.
>>286672737Wouldn't women want plain girls to be main characters then if it means they are easier to self insert?
>>286673303Yes. Men are able to relate to women if they understand their motives, struggles, actions, etc. Women are not able to relate to men on the same level because they're not as good at abstract thinking. A man may see a female character as a person that's exhibiting behaviors they relate to or identify with. A woman will see a male character as a man and an other. They need to see themselves in the character. Men, meanwhile, are capable of actively removing themselves from the equation and truly becoming one with another character, regardless of gender. Men could even look at an alien rock species and say "that's me" if the rock alien did something relateable in the anime or whatever
>>286675710every woman sees herself as a temporary embarrassed queen.
>>286675900So just like me who is a temporarily embarrassed billionaire elite
>>286672247>laughs in British
>>286673532>female self insert tries to become the best version of herselfYou clearly don't watch or read shoujo
>>286672737All of this sophistic conjecture just to state the actual reason in three words:>directed towards otaku
>>286672247Actual male self-insert:
>>286675710They do have plain girls but that makes these gender studies threads more complicated and that means they'd have to read more than the few shoujo streaming throws at them
>>286673165>>286674000Women have historically written the most deranged shit that most men would be too embarrassed/ashamed to be associated withIt was true over a hundred years ago and it's true today
>>286675710They do, see Fruits Basket, OHSHC, most Takahashi manga, etc.
>>286672737>However, they don’t inhabit the character most of the time. Since the connection is logical and not empathetic, they tend to view the story from the protagonists perspective, but things that happen to the protagonist are still generally perceived as happening to a different individualThen why /a/ gets so mad at NTR every time?
>>286673471That would explain all the fellas wanting to emulate Ryan Gosling
>>286675710Unless it's porn, then they write plain girls with large breasts.
>>286673471But it's incredibly common nowadays to have a isekai/narou-kei character emulate what the average Japanese guy looks like and struggles with while having a coat of paint labelled "fantasy" on top of it. There's so many shows and novels about a guy not being appreciated for his work, and looks down upon his coworkers as idiots. And compared to the last century, there's now tons of them that make the guy less like something to strive for, and more like a fodder for getting the karma (both good and bad) they feel is deserved. This reinvention of the genre isn't to help them become a better person, it's to validate their struggles without a realistic solution. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not something that can improve someone.
>>286672247Boys like dinosaurs and robots.Girls like dress-up dolls.The male self-insert is not important.
>>286673471Riot Games pointed out that making female characters works better for them in terms of skin sales because they ran the numbers and found out that men will play any character regardless of gender or appearance if they think it's fun, while something like 90% of women will only play characters who are women or children, with the rare exception of these bishi twink characters they've recently started making. I think other game devs noticed it too and that's why we're seeing so many female protag games now. Men don't seem to care and it will only increase the chance that a woman will buy your game.
>>286672737>That’s why women care more about characters being the same race as them, or being customizable in vidya, or whatever.we OVERWHELMINGLY see the exact opposite in reality, it's men that vehemently care about the character superficially looking like them, as is so succinctly portrayed by the OP pic.I'd rather post the image of dozens of indistinguishable black haired isekai protagonists, but that's a bit tired and old on here, and since you brought up videogames, and since videogames give the player actual direct choice unlike anime protagonist, it's a good supplementary example of how much more men care about characters looking like them
>>286678678TRVTH NVKEI can't imagine women caring about anything but themselves. Exceptions? Apparently a herd of talking horses and some cuddly teddy bears lol.
>>286678982They identify with the character (either by personality, weight, or skin colour) and then proceed to play dress up doll and pretend they are making themselves pretty.
>>286678678Why are there no dinosaur MCs then
>>286672247This is because men are the containing force while women are the expanding force. Of course they both have something of each other because of yin yang or something.
>>286678678Dinosaurs and robots are gay and boring.
>>286679768post tits or fuck off
>>286679788It's the truth, you developmentally stunted faggot.
>>286672247But I do and it's part of why I utterly despise ""comedies"" like right in op pic
>>286679705There are practically no robot mcs eitherCasshern? Last series was like 20 years ago
>>286679705The fantasy of being friends with dinosaurs is stronger.
>>286680284Nobody wants to be friends with those gay, lame creatures.
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Women fantasize about being treated like a princess. Men fantasize about women. Everyone uses the MC as a puppet to facilitate fantasies in the fantasy genre.>self-insert This is a retarded term that makes you sound very silly.
>>286680621Lol no.Women fantasise about being "raped" consensually. Yes that sounds retarded because its not rape when you get to choose what the guy looks like and can exit the fantasy the moment you want to.Men fantasise about treating women like a princess, but like the female who fantasises about rape, the man chooses who the princess is, her entire personality and can leave the fantasy any time he wants, which is also unrealistic. You dont get to just stop serving the princess irl (an actual princess) without regicide.
>>286678982your pic fails at statisticswhen you're making a unique character, you start with a normal guy and then give him crazy hair or funny nose or whateveryou don't set every slider to an extreme value, because then your dude would look like a picasso paintingso you have 2-3 interesting values, and 10+ that you left at more or less defaultand the 2-3 values will be in different slots for different playersso if you then take a 1000 characters and only pick the most selected attributes, you will end up with the default in every position tl;dr the aggregation method removes variety, so you get a warped, plain average that doesn't meaningfully reflect reality
>>286680794>men fantasize about keeping a professional distance from women and only supporting her through taxes and looking from afar at ceremoniesYou got a source for this?
>>286680970>keeping a professional distance from women and only supporting her through taxes and looking from afar at ceremoniesThats literally the current state of western society
>>286680970>>286680988Also onlyfans for another example.
>>286672737You could've just simply said women are vain and shallow.Every female self insert is always some hyper mary sue that is plain but secretly super super beautiful the most attractive thing you've ever seen if she puts even the slightest effort into looking good but she doesn't because she's humble like that also she's loved by everyone at all times and everyone can tell she's secretly super beautiful.
>>286681024Umaru was written by a man.
>>286680970Do you have a source verifying the validity of asking for a source?
>>286681825Yes. There is a 20 page thesis written on the validly of that question you can find it at the end of this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
>>286681907It's a good song, I accept your apology.
the new romance animes with the reincarnated slop sucks its so non original it hurts
>>286681939You are just jealous that you didn't get to marry the man who raised you.
>>286676934Just because men view characters primarily through the lens of logic doesn't mean they're entirely unemotional nor incapable of empathy. Seeing someone get cheated on feels shitty. Unlike being Reincarnated in Another World to Build A Harem With A Cheat Skill™, infidelity is an incredibly relatable scenario.
>>286682045>Seeing someone get cheated on feels shitty.Not necessarily, they could deserve it.
>>286673948>You are implying such "self-insert" characters exist at all.They do exist you're just looking at the wrong medium when trying to find them, get your head stuck in gacha hell like some mobilefags and you'll start running into them real fast.
>>286682306I watched an anime they made of one of those, the man all the girls love is never shown and has no name.
>>286673147Men who are too forward can easy be perceived as assholes, which isn't what anyone wants to relate to or self insert as. Nobody wants to be known as an asshole or feel that everyone thinks he's an asshole even if nobody in the show says it.
>>286673891Honzuki did handsome bastard right
>>286679705there's that dragon MC this season
>>286675512>>286673874>>286673673This is so retarded, people bite medals not for some lewd or perverted reasosns
>>286672247>right: kind, smart, humble>left: bitch, Mary sue, cute dressThis is that simple
>>286683009Thanks for sharing your opinion with us darling, now I could use another sandwich. Go on now, the other women in the kitchen probably miss you by now.
>>286672247>female self insert is perfect at the start and the story is about making others (notably Chad Thundercock and Stacey Bitchthighs) understand that>male self insert is about being forced to address his shortcomings by Stacey Perfectness and improve himself accordingly
>>286672247It’s weird because in western media it’s the opposite The protag is some muscle bound Giga Chad while in women’s fiction she’s some nobody somehow lusted after by Giga vampire ceo
>>286683481In west males don't care about romance only women does.
>>286676934Because it's a shit fetish.
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>>286683695You know it's true. 90% of purely romance content is made and consumed by women. For men romance isn't the main focus of what they consume.
>>286683789That's not the point of contention here, the point is you are not allowed to have an opinion.
>>286672247>Solo Leveling>Classroom of the Elite>Attack On Titan Season 4 Part 1 (fake!Eren)Oh sorry, anime not enough for you?>Patrick Bateman>Paul Atreides>Walter White>Whoever else is on the "you missed the point by idolizing them" chartDo you want video games?>Resident Evil (though one could argue Leon Kennedy is dual purpose, as he attracts fangirls as much as fanboys)>Halo>Resident Evil again (Hunk, not Kennedy this time)>God of War>Doom>Devil May Cry>Max Payne>Literally every major male character in the Metal Gear franchise>Wuthering Waves (there is female Rover, but male Rover is what I'm getting at here)Uh, need I continue?
>>286683371enjoy your bland self-insert kirito MC for the 1342343th time since you can't realize that nobody wants to sound like or even resemble you.
>>286684135>Patrick Bateman>Walter WhiteI like how with two lines you've shown everyone that you never watched their show or even looked up a synopsis to realize that these people are supposed to represent absolute losers
>>286683264But the one on the left is super nice, smart, cute, and loving
>>286684595NTA but they work perfectly because despite it being clear that the creators never intended for you to self insert as them, people still do.
>>286684595Not only are you now going on a completely different argumentation line than the OP, and you completely ignored the first 3 actually relevant to /a/ parts of his post just so you could pretend to have an argument.Either address the first 3 examples that are related to anime or admit OP is wrong. Anything else is admitting you can't actually provide a real argument and are trying to deflect.
People who self insert are sad to begin with.
>>286672247Being loved for who you are is the ultimate male fantasy
>>286684135>Mario>Kirby>Donkey Kong>Megaman>The Prince from Katamari DamacyOh wow characters who aren't stereotypical handsome/fuckbois that I enjoy playing asAlmost like you're full of shit
>>286684801i thought that was fucking crippled girls, when did it change?
>>286684524Reading comprehension: 0
>>286683371That wasn't a woman take at all, it was a soiboi take
