Hiring prostitutes and cripples doesn't make you a good, nuanced or even morally grey person. She's just evil and irontown is a wretched place.
>>286681950>She's just evilWhy?
>>286681950>Hiring prostitutes and cripples doesn't make you a good, nuanced or even morally grey persoJesusbros...
>>2866819782-digit IQ reading comprehension
>>286681950San, go back to shitting in the woods
>>286681968Same reason every coal baron in history is evil? Are you stupid or something?
>>286682070Elaborate on how Eboshi's actions are comparable to every coal baron in history
>>286682213She literally runs an industrialist company town that's destroying the area.
>>286682257She leads a commune of refugees fleeing the numerous wars and bandit gangs rampaging through the country and they're forced to burn everything to maintain the power to defend their freedom
>>286682310Freedom to make their boss money in the company town. What is the plan when they burn up all the natural resources and leave a toxic shithole behind? Become a bunch of inbreds with crushing generational poverty? Because that's what always happens. The only one who ultimately benefits is the boss. There's nothing to suggest she's going to go down with the ship when it ultimately fails. There's nothing to suggest that the last 40,000 years of human history requires people to make a company town based around a mine and become arms dealers to survive. Eboshi is a profiteer who hires desperate people with nowhere else to go not some charitable Jesus figure.
>>286682428The major criticism of her method is precisely that there isn't really a plan for the long term...and she counters that criticism by pointing out that there is no long term if they don't survive today with the jaws of wolves at their throats. Then after her construct gets smashed but her community survives, she starts over with a new respect for sustainable forestry.
>>286682533Yeah and nestle spends billions on CSR who gives a fuck.
>>286682586Apparently you give a fuck since you're making up all this bullshit to deliberately misinterpret her character
>>286682604I'm not misinterpreting anything. I'm saying the people who think she's not evil are retards who should kill themselves.
>>286682310There were many ikki (一揆) like this during the Warring States. But I cant confirm of any being headed by women. Though they did use womens labor and employ female soldiers when it was not common for the daimyo and other 'legitimate' governments to do so at that time.
>>286682632The entire thing is a bizarre Japanese history lesson where you get things like the village oracle style religion contrasted with an antagonist who is part of a centralized institution working with the imperial government. >>286682618You're just making up bullshit that isn't grounded in the film itself. She's never shown to be greedy, her flaw is seeing with eyes clouded by hatred rather than insincerity in her mission with the town. Thus why at the end she starts over after having lost all the material but having kept the community she actually valued. You're pushing the most retarded possible interpretation of her character that is directly contradicted by every detail of the film.
>>286682767>She's never shown to be greedy,She runs a for profit arms manufacturer with no plan for what to do when they run out of iron and wood to extract from the area. I'm pretty sure Miyazaki is well read enough to know what happened to every single post industrial mining town in all of human history.
>>286682826She leads a socialist commune teetering on the edge of obliteration by bandits and feudal lords or even the emperor, they have no plan beyond living to see tomorrow. Eboshi's flaw is that her embittered position has blinded her to a sustainable way of living and this results in all the comprises she makes with the very forces she's trying to protect the community from that result in divine punishment and the ultimate repudiation of her method. She demonstrates at every turn that she's sincere as she both risks her life on the front line and finally admits her faults before seeking a better method.You have to keep inserting all sorts of nonsense like calling it a for profit operation to keep doing this contrarian bullshit
>>286682950>nonsense like calling it a for profit operationAre you medically retarded?
>>286682968Just give up on this shit, it's not clever or amusing. You just sound like an idiot because her character is nothing like that.
>>286683007You're the one saying it's nonsense to imply she's selling the weapons for money as if she's just making them a personal hobby or something.
Nature isn't inherently good fuck nature.
>>286683028She directly states her intent is to arm the community, including the women. Her personal hobby is creating a commune where the weak and oppressed can make their own guns. Her flaw is not greed, it's that hatred of the spirits caused by grief over those killed in the conflict has blinded her to the possibility of coexistence, which is also the elusive long term solution to their precarious position burning everything just to survive.
>>286683115her flaw is that evil actions dont make up for supposedly good intentions
>>286683181No, there is no other way to interpret the film than through the lens of her flaw being an inability to let go of trauma and seek compromise. She's deliberately shown to be genuinely righteous, motivated by the survival of the community to the degree that she puts her life at risk rather than any sort of desire for profit or status, precisely because the point of the movie is letting go of hatred. What is the curse that rots the boar after it's shot? It isn't greed. Eboshi is the same as the boar and that's why she can't see a long term solution.
>>286682310>literally "is ok when they do it"Heh.
>>286683423But it isn't okay, the entire plot of the film hinges on it not being a sustainable dynamic and ends with everyone going "yeah, I'll guess we'll have to try again and do better"Have you even watched it?
>>286682586Nestle doesn't have to worry about not seeing the morning.
>>286683608their slave workers do
>>286681950Wolf paws typed this post.
>>286683102It's inherently better than (You) though
>San and Ashitaka were plapping each other while my ancestors were slaughtering the Cavaliers with Cromwell's New Model ArmyAbsolutely wild to think about that.
>>286683335>Eboshi is the same as the boar and that's why she can't see a long term solution.I've rewatched the movie a ton of times and never noticed the parallel. Kino.
>>286682428This is true, but what is your answer? For them to all choose to avoid any alleviation for their suffering if even temporarily?
>>286683874Why do they have to fear about seeing the next morning, when they can just run away and form a ecologically friendly commune with no defenses (don't want to harm the earth!), make no weapons (those are dirty) and just negotiate their freedom with the uncommunicative nestlegoons?
>>286682968Eboshi is not getting rich off of her industrialization scheme.
>>286684112It's the same for San, she and Eboshi are mirrors in that their hatred, fueled by the deaths each side has caused, prevents them from coexisting. The entire movie is arranged around this idea which is why it's so important that Eboshi is deliberately shown to be sincere rather than greedy.
>>286684264>but what is your answer?If they can't live in harmony with nature they should die.
>>286685809Living in harmony with nature means dying in a flood and having half of your fossilized bones dug up by some land squids in 50 million years who posit that you were a some kind of gibbon with a birth defect.
>>286682428Fuck you Socrates, I'm not living in straw huts eating nuts and berries all day, I wanna live in the sick society where we get to eat meat and have an education and start wars and shit
>>286681968because she's a roastie that hires other roasties and try (((empowering))) them
>>286685850Sounds great, certainly better than dying of colon cancer then having all your fluids replaced with plastic so your dead body can't decompose normally.
>>286681950>Chad ashitaka>How about both?
>>286681950>Hiring prostitutes and cripples doesn't make you a good, nuanced or even morally grey person.Being hot does, and she's super hot.I want to be her slave, bros.
>>286681950The worst part of the movie is that this bitch never faces real consequences.>muh armShe deserves worse. Murderous fucking bitch.
>>286682428>>286685809based; are there any books you recommend that formed your views?
>>286682257She's giving people a job and life and relative safety and only destroying some fucking empty mountaintop and woods in the middle of nowhere to do it This is literally how America was built
>>286690053Monkey Wrench GangGrapes Of Wrath The JungleMiners, Millhands and Mountaineers: Industrialization in the Appalachian South The Heart of Everything That Is: The Untold Story of Red CloudNot a book but McCabe & Mrs Miller >>286690144>This is literally how America was builtThat's not a good thing
>>286691310Oh I guess They Shoot Horses Don't They as well. Irontown was basically on that path
>>286681950The point is not whether she's evil or not. Is about making clear that the message of the movie isn't about "technology is le bad". Technology gave the weak the chance to survive, even those who would have otherwise perished in nature.
>>286682070Coal barons wouldn't have any power if people didn't want to use coal so much.
>>286691310Check out James Scott's books like Against the Grain or Seeing like a Slate.
>itt: fags who unironically place higher value on trees, rocks and squirrels than on human beings
>>286682428>>286685809>>286691310How about you live in the woods then and stop using that pesky computer to tell me how much of a queer you are.
>>286692196This is a magnanimously retarded attempt at an opinion that only shows you failed at comprehending what was even being talked about.
>>286692176I've seen rocks that are prettier than most people. A tree never picked my pocket nor broke my nose.
>>286692248A tree also never gave you language or shelter or substance. Ungrateful faggots like you are the worst.
>>286692273Nigger where do you think wood comes from
>>286692284Where do you think the ability to use wood for anything comes from?
>>286692273Trees provide both shelter and sustenance. 2/3 ain't bad for something made out of wood.
>>286692295Trees
Debating is uniquely human so it's hypocritical to debate when you could instead live in a jungle and see how benevolent the trees are after a couple of weeks.
>>286692363Animals argue.
>trees make houses out of themselves with no human inputIncredible, paganLARPers are truly cattle.
>>286692372But not debate. It's not a debate to threaten or bribe the opposition. One of the definitions of humanity as a species is the accumulation of knowledge, which is unique to us. Some animals can "teach" their offspring, but it never goes further than one or two generations. That's called culture.
>>286692385You're trying to backpedal that you forgot where wood comes from or you're such a terminal shut in you think nobody's ever taken shelter under a tree in all of human history.
>>286681978its over..... jerusalem has fallen...
>>286682950damn you truth nuked the fuck out of that anon, well written.
>>286692444Why don't you live under a tree then?
>>286692273BWAHAHAHAspeciesism loses once again
>>286692541How do you know someone isn't living under a tree right now mr bad faith underage retard debateschizo?
>>286682826before the industrial age mining towns often lasted hundreds of years or moreexample off the top of my head:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Minelast a thousand yearsbesides that many mining areas in western countries that have become unproductive aren't so because they've run out of material but because it's no longer economically competitive to mine locally compared to relying on more productive regions within the country or internationally.
>>286692582>not worshipping trees is le speciesismWhy are you using a computer to argue with strangers on the internet? You know that's extremely unnatural, right?
>>286692628>"um actually, trees are natural shelter and therefore we don't need anything invented by humanity">calling others underaged
>>286692637Do you worship humans?
>>286692628He asked why YOU are not living under a tree right now. There's also lions that live in a zoo, yet you wouldn't say that lions typically live there, right?
>>286692671Nobody said that retardschizo. Stop making your mental illness other people's problem.
>>286690144>empty mountaintopit's not empty, a lot of spirits live there and she shoots them whenever they try to rebuild the forest
>itt: salty queers whose mommy forced them to go to church so they're now angry at the world and want plants to be their friends
>>286689201Based, she should have gotten eaten alive by a boar.
people who can't watch a movie without deciding that there must be le good side and le bad side are genuine retards
>>286692764The spirits in Princess Mononoke are extant. You sound severely mentally ill on top of being possibly medically autistic.
>>286692807>implying the debate is about nature spirits within the sotry when half the thread is arguing about the real worldDisingenuous.
>>286692176Nobody complained when I ate fruit, salt, and squirrels, but eat one human and suddenly it's nonstop drama time.
>>286692792Peak retardation is thinking every villain is le morally grey because they were nice to one of their slaves or whatever in between trying to raze the earth.
>>286692176You know what they are.
>>286692853Half the thread are actual peak retards who are getting offended by the idea of a coal company owner being a bad person.
>>286692925The perceived offense stems from the claim that "hurting nature" is inherently evil, yet humans are beings that have learned as a species to utilize and manipulate nature to their advantage. A bird isn't evil for ripping out branches to make its nest with, right? While I agree that humans should not willfully destroy lives of basically anything without good reason, it is absolutely debatable what counts as a good or bad reason in this context, and it is also not based on some vague appeal to nature. The extent of "hurting nature" also matters, but then it also applies that from certain ethical frameworks it would be defensible to even completely raze all forests on the planet (assuming their contribution to our atmosphere can be replaced and such, this is just a hypothesis) if it meant that it could save humanity. I'm pretty sure some of the comments that sarcastically argue about "trees being your friends" are alluding to the fact that when it comes down to it, you should side with humanity, not with something inhuman. But again, this is all very hyperbolic in my opinion. In reality, damages to the environment are caused by a myriad of factors, not just the oil baron boogeyman.
>>286692637All existing things are by definition natural. You pulled ''worship'' out of your ass due you to being wrong on all of your arguments. You know human ancestors evolved living in trees, right? Why didn't you finish high school before thinking you were capable of making coherent arguments on anonymous imageboards? Not surprised a speciesist would try to cope with natural fallacy though. Ironically that ''gotcha!'' moment only fucks you in the ass. Human supremacist thought being a reification born out of hierarchical systems not based on any fact of how ecological systems in truth function. Being systems not based on hierarchy but A cultural gene hich you have inherited without any thought, you've been MEMED. >In organic societies the differences between individuals, age groups, sexes — and between humanity and the natural manifold of living and nonliving phenomena — were seen (to use Hegel’s superb phrase) as a “unity of differences” or “unity of diversity,” not as hierarchies. Their outlook was distinctly ecological, and from this outlook they almost unconsciously derived a body of values that influenced their behavior toward individuals in their own communities and the world of life. >As I contend in the following pages, ecology knows no “king of beasts” and no “lowly creatures” (such terms come from our own hierarchical mentality). Rather it deals with ecosystems in which living things are interdependent and play complementary roles in perpetuating the stability of the natural order.
>>286693174>yet humans are beings that have learned as a species to utilize and manipulate nature to their advantageWhich is what San is doing. Eboshi is burning the land and destroying the local fauna for profit not because she's living in harmony with nature. Eboshi is about as innocent and natural as McDonalds.
>>286693286You still haven't answered why (You) are not living under a tree though. Are you living in something that humanity gave you instead?
>>286693321I'm under a tree right now.
>>286693286You're proving my point. If everything is natural, then humanity isn't unnatural either, and neither are human inventions or the act of exploitation.
>>286693174i think youre missing the point that a bird making a nest for itself isnt it taking the whole tree down to make a thousand nests for other birds so the other birds cant make their own nest and rely on the one bird's exploitation of resources. your analogy is bad and you should feel bad
>>286693321The argument exists indifferent to me and my circumstances. Im under a tree right now btw so suck my nuts.
>>286693307The computer you're using right now was also made in the process of destroying parts of nature. Does that make you evil?
>>286693378Fair, but there are plenty of species which are indeed quite destructive and have wiped out other species, I'm sure you know. Your argument is weak and you should feel weak.
>>286692925Coal barons of the past had poor reputations primarily for their heavy-handed actions trying to control the market and raise prices for a commodity that everyone wanted. In terms of the environment, their unsavory character is irrelevant because coal would still be extracted and consumed if they were out of the picture, possibly in even greater quantities.
>>286693386Genuinely what are you getting out of this juvenile bad faith attempt at forcing a debate nobody actually cares about? Why don't you go harass some vegans on twitter or something.
>>286693412>um why are you calling me out after I made a faggy claim
>>286693410>possibly in even greater quantities.ah yes those coal barons were actually preventing strip mining lmao what the fuck you goddamn retard
>>286693434You're hallucinating please seek professional help.
>>286693174Only good post itt.
>>286693409What's even your point here? Something is okay if it happened before?
>>286693455>gaslightingAlways the last resort, huh.
>>286693481Who are you quoting?
>>286693359Yeah, that'd be the nature fallacy which i mentioned. Ethical points are usually made based on consequentialism, so its of no matter if rape and murder is natural. Its about if causing destruction which ends up causing suffering is a smart way to go in the long term, which it isn't. Which is why speciesism and the exploitation of nature that follows it is stupid and short-sighted. Making speciesism retarded, thus ''them losing once again'' which is what i posted.
>>286693475The claim was that coal companies are evil for "hurting nature", so I used an example of something else that applies. We can get into how much the extent matters (and it does!), but it was a false principle claim that should be called out.
>>286693555You're the only person using the phrase "hurting nature"Could you try to be more good faith if you're going to be argumentative? Thanks!~
Guns are based and are always morally correct
>>286693529>Its about if causing destruction which ends up causing suffering is a smart way to go in the long term, which it isn't.Are you a consequentialist? If not, then why does it matter if it's smart or not?
>>286693567Can you whine some more about how anyone who disagrees with you is arguing in "le bad faith"? Thanks!~
>>286693603You are being bad faith though
>>286693529...You're aware that there are plenty of ethical frameworks that do not use consequentialism, right? What an arrogant fucking post.
>>286693555Its actually pretty funny how people hide behind arguments such as ''it hurts nature so its evil!'', whereas in truth its about human beings not wanting to lose the ecosystems that provide for the continuous existence of the human species. Its just people being afraid of dying, rarely is it about actual felt empathy towards ''the nature'' or whatever.
>>286693630Yeah, and all of them are retarded thus not in use by anyone other than retarded individuals. All human groups in the end strive towards consequentialism. You live in a consequentialist society right now.
>>286693631This post makes no sense. The people who want to preserve the natural cycle are just afraid of dying, not the people who are willing to deforest a whole mountain because they think it's their best chance of surviving as a group?
>>286693657The western world is based on christian ethics, which are rarely connected to consequentialism. I genuinely have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but I'm starting to think that you might've read a single book on the topic and decided that this is your new worldview for a while.
At the end of the day the moral is something we can all take to heart. FEUDAL JAPAN IS JUST THE ABSOLUTE WORST.
>>286693439That's not what I said at all. I'd like to tell you to read some history on how they operated but apparently you can't even read two sentences.
>>286693657All societies function through multiple ethical frameworks at once. Deontological ethics (Human rights), Virtue ethics (Honesty, courage), Rights-based ethics (minority rights cannot simply be sacrificed for majority benefit) and so on. Societies often use consequentialist reasoning in practical decision-making, but they simultaneously rely on rules, rights, and moral norms that limit pure outcome-based ethics.
>>286693578>Are you a consequentialist?Should've just framed that ''are you not stupid?''. Nope.>>286693672Both of them can be afraid of dying, i never argued against anything. Just made a point.>>286693693>christian ethicsYet what we do in this day and age is not because of virtue ethics which christian ethics propose but because of consequentialist arguments. The bible says that we shouldn't kill infant children. Do we not kill infant children today because God is the ultimate virtue thus it should be followed over all other possible arguments? No, we dont. We follow the consequentialist argument which is to mitigate the overall suffering of human beings. Killing infant children causes all kinds of suffering. Ta-da.
>>286693812Considering consequentialism when making decisions is not the same as being a pure consequentialist. A pure consequentialist would argue that we should kill infants that do not look promising so they don't drain our resources and thus ensure less suffering for a majority. Pure consequentialism is completely retarded.
>>286682428>What is the plan when they burn up all the natural resources and leave a toxic shithole behind? Become a bunch of inbreds with crushing generational poverty?Well they already were inbreds with crushing generational poverty, so it's kinda zero sum in that regard. At least with Eboshi they get to feast for a time instead of dying in the gutter even earlier.
>>286693812Christian ethics do not consist only of virtue ethics. It's a part of it.
>>286693783Consequentialist reasoning =/= radical utilitarianism of pure outcomes. All the ethical frameworks you mentioned come to the same outcomes as consequentialism and all of their arguments can be explained trough consequentialist reasoning. Consequentialism reigns supreme.
>based Uma enjoyer is the only one with reasonable and respectful takesUmapyoi!
>>286693855True, nobody argued for pure consequentialism as in radical utilitarianism of pure outcomes.
Tangential, but I'm curious what OP makes of the Nausicaa manga. It poses similar questions about man's relationship with nature, but it essentially lands on the acceptance that mankind might be destroyed by nature in the end and they ought to just accept that.
>>286693933That's consequentialist reductionism. You're proposing that other moral systems (rights, duties, virtues) are ultimately just heuristics that work because they produce good consequences. Kant would argue that that this move changes the meaning of the other theories. A rules such as "do not lie" is not justified by outcomes, but rational duty or universalizable principles.I'm not saying that either ethical framework must be absolutely correct, but there's a reason why philosophy in this context always ends up with one of three choices: Consequentialism, Pluralism or Deontology. I think it's very arrogant to outright claim one of these is definitely better than the other, because that would imply you're more competent than every philosopher that ever existed.
OP and the people seriously responding to him are massive fucking pseuds. You may thank me for this vital contribution to the discussion.
>>286694049True enough, i tried to come up with counter-points but they ended up in circular reasoning. However, you would not survive my most sloppiest kiss thus i win. In the internet you may be the king but in real life...
Making money is evil, you guys. Eboshi should simply run a chill village with good vibes and overlook the occasional rapes coming her way.
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>>286694117I enjoyed the debate, if that matters. It's rare to meet people here who don't just pull shit out of their ass they heard about on some podcast. I don't know about the kiss part though.
>>286694133She's not any better than the bandits. If Irontown was just a bunch of guys people wouldn't pretend like she's anything but a warlord.
>>286694511>you're a warlord if you defend yourself
>>286694546You're a warlord if you're a warlord. Trying to argue she was forced into the position is irrelevant.
>>286694511Yes, if you strip away her willingness to treat lepers like people and free women from sexual slavery, she is indeed like any other warlord. Curious.
>>286694565>everyone who has ever participated in violence is a warlord
>>286694511>if she was a warlord instead then she would be a warlordHow does /a/ do it?
>>286694594Are you being retarded on purpose or did your mom pussy out of trying to drown you in the bath?
>>286694616>insteadThere is no instead. She is definitionally one.
>>286694511>IfKill yourself
>>286694656Good job proving the point retard
>>286694681The point that you're a shitposter vomiting out batshit hypotheticals and every other poster is calling you a piece of shit because of how much of a disingenuous cunt you are?
>>286694619>almost drowning the bath is the same as actually drowning
>>286694722Nice made up narrative that lives in your head exclusively.
>>286694594What do you think warlord means? In this context? Because it's basically just GUY WITH LAND AND ARMY.
>implying implications
>>286694762>made upMaking things up is all you do
>>286694813What precisely was made up that you're referring to in this post?
>>286681978jesus didn't pay them they did it for free
>niggas arguing about Hegel and Kant and if they should side with donkeys and rabbits instead of all of humanityDecision paralysis is not a sign of intelligence, no matter how well read you are.
>>286694845>instead of all of humanityHumanity isn't united and the least evil group we see in the film is a short sighted group of retards who keep blowing up the mountain because they're too stupid to not be violent chimps.
>>286694881Now who's shitposting
>>286694837>jesus didn't pay them they did it for freehaving been told they can't reach God unless they do as Jesus says.
>>286694905You. You're a shitposting addicted retard that no one wants to ever see again, but you'd have to finally kill yourself if you gave up your routine of making clutter on /a/ day after day. Even you'd be better off just ending it.
>>286694960lmao, you're so mad
>>286694973Keep projecting to protect your empty ego and good luck tomorrow when you get told you're the dumbest motherfucker anyone has seen after your next set of shitposts.
>>286681950She's a product of her times, did you watch the movie at all? Miyazaki was hammering repeatedly into the viewers how industry corrupts everyone into darker versions of themselves, from the commoners to a prince of Emishi, to even the gods themelves, ad nauseam. Why would you single her out of all the cast?
>>286694960You're not even attempting to try and be on topic you're just seething for no reason
>>286695035>Why would you single her out of all the cast?simple. i think people who act like she's ambiguous or not the villain should be put in a chinese work camp
>>286695119It's not about siding with the opinions of all of humanity, it's about siding with the species, retard.
>>286695226Feel free to leave and let the adults talk.
>>286695107She's by no means a good person, but there's an obvious reason she's been overlooked as a villain isn't there anon? You know? The friggin hog that jogged miles and miles to the middle of nowhere to take his anger out on a village that's already forced to move there by the wajins?
>>286695227>raping kids is bad>oh yeah? most people agree with this so you're doing a hecking argumentum ad populum
>>286695244The boars were defending their homeland.
I wouldn't side with her because women shouldn't be in positions of power. The same goes for female spirits.
>>286695392Based.
>>286695300Well what the fuck do you think the humans are mining all that iron for? What do you think happens when they can't make weapons?
>>286695272yeah, that's litterally what you're doing, you're not saying why raping kids is bad, you're just outsourcing your thinking to the majority and saying people think it's bad
I will personally throw a couple of car batteries into the ocean because of all the garbage I've read in this thread.
>>286695425the boars outlive the failhumans who require industry to survive or the humans make the land barren for anything and take everything else out with them in their absurdity
>>286695462>you're just outsourcing your thinking to the majority and saying people think it's badSee >>286695182
>>286695476So die. It's what you expect the characters to do, after all.
>>286695518Huh?
>>286695506I'm farting right now, harming the atmosphere and you can't stop me.
>>286681950>good, nuanced, or even morally grey>just evilWhat do all of these words mean? Most people are only as good as the world allows them to be. She and Jigo and San and the random samurai and all of them do horrible things to each other for short term survival. They're living in a brutal feudal world torn apart by not only rampaging gods but civil war also. Who are YOU to judge their actions? NIGGER
>>286681950You must be a libtard.
>>286695558learn what words mean
>>286695551I am 100% morally superior to her.
>>286695524The humans will make the land barren and ultimately die anyway, taking more species with them. That's what you're saying. So the solution is to either die now or to reject industry while the insane emperor does as he likes (and he's surely never, ever made use of industry or tried to kill a god). I assumed you were suggesting the less insane solution, which is humanity's immediate death.
>>286681950That she chooses to make use of the disabled and women is merely Eboshi using her resources wisely, and a mercy compared to her peers who would simply rape the women and send the lepers to die in a gutter. This makes her a kinder warlord than Lord Asano.
Reminder that Prochlorococcus, a form of algae in our oceans, is responsible for 80% of all photosynthetic-organism-based oxygen production. Arguing in favor of practicality would see us destroy all forests on Earth. Therefore it would be much better to argue in other ways to protect them, not to LARP as some retarded commie fuck who thinks capitalism makes it so indians shit in their holy river.
>>286695624I don't think all of humanity is contained within irontown
>>286695551>Who are YOU to judge their actions? NIGGERholy based
>>286695300So what's Nago's excuse for terrorising a random Emishi village then? Moro got shot too by the way and she didn't take it out on strangers. Or how about comparing Nago to a mortal like Ashitaka? And may I remind you Ashitaka's people were also forced from their ancestral homeland because they fought the Japanese and lost
>>286695655So what's the solution? Rifles woven of hemp? >>286695664Then let's take a look at all the other settlements shown in this film. There's Ashitaka's village, which is dying out. There's the village that's being raided by bandits (rifles would have been helpful there). There's the one okay-seeming village where Ashitaka buys the rice. Aaand there's the one destroyed by one of myriad possible disasters, to illustrate how fucked things really are.
>>286695715>So what's the solution?Solution to what exactly?
>>286695740The horrible state of the world? Forced prostitution, ostracization of lepers, banditry, an emperor that ignores all of this in favor of deicide because it might make him immortal (citation needed)? Eboshi is making mistakes, but she is a solution to many of this world's problems. Only, she can't solve a thing unless she accumulates power. It's poetic, almost as if this were a story someone wrote.
>>286695819Those are multiple things there's no single solution to unless you invent some sort of magical post scarcity egalitarian utopia society where there's functionally infinite resources to the point of the concept of money being only something in games. Eboshi doesn't actually solve anything.
>>286695857Eboshi buys the freedom of prostitutes, cares for the lepers, could stomp a pack of bandits on a bad day, and intends to rule the world. There's no solving every single one of mankind's problems, yes, no shit, but she is the answer to every problem presented by this film. With the obvious exception of deforestation, which is why she's an antagonist.
>>286695925freedom to be stuck in irontown forever
>>286695857>Eboshi doesn't actually solve anythingShe's doing her best, like the other characters are doing their best, despite none of them having long term solutions to anythingThe only morally pure character is Ashitaka and he would have died pretty quickly if Deerman hadn't stepped in
>>286695884There is nothing in a rainforest that we need that we can't reproduce through other means by now. Keep in mind that my point is that forests are valuable despite being "worthless" in terms of practical use. They're valuable because they're alive, and life is sacred.
>>286695953You wanna live in irontown or suck dick in a brothel?
>>286696082The vast majority of rainforests aren't harvested for anything.
>>286692887Reminder this graph wasn't showing where ones value as placed but how expansive it was.
>>286681950she represents the succession of capitalism over feudal conditions, of course she's evil
>>286696209Shhh, you'll let them know they're declaring themselves to be entirely self-centered sociopaths incapable of empathy and altruistic virtue
>>286682767>She's never shown to be greedy...
>>286696209>>286696224Reminder that caring for rocks just as much as for your own family is literally impossible and means you don't care for your family much at all. The "gotcha" that leftoids tried to reply with was already deboonked in this way.
>>286696224>you see, I care for you just as much as I care for sand on a beach, which means I will do absolutely nothing to help you>I am the empathetic one!
>>286696209...Which is exactly what made leftists look insane. If you truly care for your own family just as much as for random asteroids in space, what does that mean? Are you claiming leftists are fantastical beings with zero limits on resources, always dividing their attention equally on all of creation? Does that mean that you will give me all of your money if I asked you to, since I am equally as valuable as literally everything that exists to you?
>>286696224>donating to lizards in the desert is real empathy, not providing for your family, friends and community
>>286696651>>286696613Again, the graph was not showing a value of how much you care just the widest extent in which you do.You are both too fucking stupid for a single picture.
>>286692176I do and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
In nature, males cannot become female.
>>286696713And the widest extent implies that leftists care for rocks in a similar way as they care for people, which is also reflected in their politics, which is the only group in the entire world that has an explicit out-group bias.
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>>286696944Oh look, it's the author that teaches his sons to never fight back ever and that all violence in the world is caused only by men. Very fitting to use him for this discussion.
You should have empathy for everyone, chud, including rocks and sand. Also I hate my parents and religion is fake and everything is a social construct btw.
>>286696944>the guy who fundamentally misunderstands Christianity and portrays Canute as a God-defying rebel instead of the christian king that willfully humbled himself repeatedly before ChristianityNot sure if you want to make that point, buddy.
>>286696856No retard. In the survey conducted there was never a moment when asked to grade or scale how much you care for something. Just out of this list of things where is your line for "care". You are just making shit up to try and get angry about something you clearly know fuck all about.
retarded internet political wars and tribal ideology really has broken the brains of most normies.maybe yuri bezmenov was right all along.
>>286682950If this was X you would have ratio mogged OP with this post.
>>286681950Ah yes let's return to being eaten by lions, eagles and other beasts in the sahara desert lmao.There's a reason we stopped doing that and went to safe caves and eventually built settlements.
>>286698378where did you get that idea from
and ? she is a self righteous cunt and she lern her lesson the hard way bcs on the other side the wolf mother is her exact opposite. (use any means possible to achieve your noble goal) its fine that she doesnt get killed since this leaves the room for her to change and redeem herself. and by extension the whole village.
>>286691310>That's not a good thingyeah that's why we stop others from developing in that way
>>286698214>Ah yes let's return to being eaten by lions, eagles and other beasts in the sahara desert lmao.she doesnt solve that problem in the movie
She's the industrial revolution personified
>>286701825I don't think she's quite that evil. At least she's not doing things like setting up her workers so they can't communicate with each other and making them pay for their own safety equipment
>>286701825I think she embodies and retreads multiple western groups, ideas and movements in general (the portuguese, the jesuits, the industrial revolution, communism, feminism, enviromentalism as a consequence of industrialism, and so on) that inevitably clashed with the old ways of traditional japan."Traditional japan" itself is seemingly divided in two with the emishi and san representing the original ancient japan that lived in harmony with the enviroment worshipping their countless nature gods, and the newer japan of the samurai and buddhist monks that no longer gives a fuck about nature.
I think Eboshi is a pretty cool leader, she shoots forest gods and doesn't afraid of anything.
