The hard downfall of Spy × Family's popularity needs to be studied
>>286712820It got boring, thoughnestly.
>>286712820Shouldve made timeskips, everything happening in an eternal year like fucking family guy killed it
the novelty wore off, the humor got worse, and the plot doesn't matter sinve its just a sitcom and any meaningful change to the cold war statis quo will come only at the very end when the manga has been axed, and all the wannabe epsteeners spamming GrokCP in the tag on SocMed do it no favors either
>>286712820Everyone realized that it's soulless corposlop. The author was tired of his constant failures so he wrote something that'd appeal to everyone aka normalfags. The author itself loathes his own work. That'd tell you something.
Another victim of having a compelling setup but no idea about what to do with it.
There's nothing to study, this happens all the time. Interesting concept booms the popularity, author refuses to make progress on any of the important plots and drags it out with filler, after a few years of nothing happening people lose interest.
>>286714430>he thinks the hentai isnt the only thing keeping it relevant or alive
There isn't that much to study, >>286714430covers it pretty well
>>286714868>author refuses to make progress on any of the important plots and drags it out with fillerArmchair magaka
>>286712820Everyone in this thread is wrong. Much worse manga with less progress and gag mangas that repeated the same jokes used to be popular for decades.The problem is modern attention spans. People can’t be assed to care about anything for more than a few months.Look at DanDaDan, Kimetsu, Sakamoto Days and basically any manga that got popular in the last 10 years. The culture moves so fast in this attention economy, they just come and go.
>>286714990There is no argument against this being the case.>Daughter has random school adventures>Spy of the week adventures >No romantic progress with the parents>Lloyd not getting any closer to completing his mission>>286715565Totally wrong, there are still plenty of fans who stick with series if they deserve to be stuck with, and even plenty when they don't. Just look at how garbage sequels like Boruto and Dragonball Super still manage to cling to popularity.
>>286715631>Daughter has random school adventures>Spy of the week adventures >No romantic progress with the parents>Lloyd not getting any closer to completing his missionNow do that while having to deal with editor, serialization, audiences, etc. Not so easy now is it?
>>286712820the becky romance and breeding arc was woefully underdeveloped
>>286715702Now do that while moving the plot along
>>286715748In the end Yor will marry her brother and Becky and Anya will become Lloyd's wives
>>286715631Dragon Balla and Naruto became popular before the attention economy got so bad. They got to play weekly in a less contested media landscape with a slower moving culture and people were given the time to get attached to them.If Kimetsu, SpyxFamily or Sakamoto Days aired back then, they would have been cross-generational icons. Instead they get chewed and spat out.
>>286715855>If Kimetsu, SpyxFamily or Sakamoto Days aired back then, they would have been cross-generational icons. Instead they get chewed and spat out.ragebait post
I have found it to be mid pass chapter 3
>>286715702This is such a disingenuous argument, because stalling it is actually more difficult than progressing the plot, When you're stalling like this, all you can do is keep coming up with flavor of the week adventures and gimmick side characters to introduce. Progressing the main plot would just require you to build on what's already established, which is a good foundation. There's nothing inherently harder about writing progression, so all the external factors like serialization are totally irrelevant. The only thing you mentioned that is even semi true is Editors, if you assume that the author wants to progress it and the Editor is outright dictating what should be written by the mangaka.
not enough becky duh
>>286715855>Dragon Balla and Naruto became popular before the attention economy got so bad.So? If people's attention spans are short enough to make them drop shows they are otherwise enjoying, the same would be true for shit like Boruto and Super. Not to mention that there have been several new series that have held up popularity pretty well. Something like Demon Slayer is still pretty popular despite being over for nearly a decade while the anime drags forever.
>>286716021
>>286715998No, stalling is far easier. Every writer in a serialized format has a formula they can fall back on, plots they can recycle, and simple contrivances to reset the status quo. You see it especially in romcoms that end as close to the confession as possible, it's always a loop of interruption that prevents anything from moving forward until the author feels like it.
>>286715702The audiences fucking loved when Anya confessed her powers to Damian. The manga reached S1 levels of relevancy again.Then instead of committing, Axeman immediately pivoted for ages to a backstory arc about Becky's boring granny butler and the exact same war they already showed with Lloyd. When they finally got back to Damian and the school nothing changed, and now they're doing another pointless side-quest about Mr Herriman being framed so they can introduce new gag teachers.
>>286716464The romcoms that stall literally just repeat the same points and people continue to read it because all they care about is gooning to fanservice of the main girl. Doesn't really work like that for a spy series, you either need to keep coming up with new action or new comedy. Romcoms are way more full of standard cliches you can trot out without anyone minding 'oh now shes wearing a qipao' etc. Maybe you could argue stalling is easier in the short term than writing actual plot, but when you get to the point of 3+ years of stalling, all the easy ideas have already been used.
I love becky so much I want to help her clean hrslef after she wets her blackbell panties
>>286714430Maybe they'll pull a chainsaw man, and give Loid orders to terminate his family and return home, saying that the next chapter is the finale.
>>286714990They aught to try out his armchair because he is correct.
>>286712820Almost a year ago this was.
>>286712820dropped it after loid's backstory cause the plot became staggeringly cringeworthy and insufferable.
>>286716661
>>286716021Indeed, the show needs a lot more Becky. Really, the show should be 99% at the school, and then Anya can come home and tell Loid and Yor about stuff and they can react in their heads and she can read their reactions for jokes. Every so often have no more than 4 chapters in a row of a specific spy mission or assassination, but don't drag them out.
>>286715565Wow it's almost like popularity spikes with anime adaptations!
>>286712820It has the pacing of a webcomic. That's going to whittle down the fanbase no matter how good it is.
>>286712820>[x thing] needs to be studiedGo fuck yourself, normalfaggot.
>>286712820You know what needs to be studied? Anya's perfect, hairless, prepubescent cunny needs to be studied.
>>286716661What a worthless chapter.2 years and nothing since.Clear proof that this only happened because interest was dying and the author hit a panic button to get some buzz going. And then swept it under the rug for more pointless Eden filler garbage.
>>286712820The action bits really killed the show for me. And after 3 seasons there has been no development between them growing together as a family and changing. Buddy Daddies is so much better with the concept of dangerous adults adopting a kid.
>>286712820Too much filler.
>>286719712Is this some gay anime?
>>286716021bricky
>>286712820I think the commitment to the wholesome family slop is holding it back. Not enough big titty wiafus doing echi shenanigans
>>286715998>because stalling it is actually more difficult than progressing the plot,Never read a manga in his life award
>>286716601>Doesn't really work like that for a spy seriesSpy x family is a romcom you disingenuous retard, or so you think Urusei Yatsura is about aliens?
>>286712820People notice things would stand in an eternal status quo. It's not an actual episodic show, but it's pretty close to that, and that format just isn't popular nowadays.
>>286720137Wanna see it?
I wouldn't mind zero plot progression at all, as long as there was more stuff with Anya and Becky and Damien and the other retards. Let's see more school plotlines. More dodgeball and other shenanigans.
>>286715778>In the end Lloyd will marry Yuri and Becky and Anya will become Yor's wivesFTFY
>>286720445>Spy x family is a romcomLloyd does love Yor though. Neither does Anya love Damian.
I still like it, but I always cared more for the comedy than the plot.
>>286712820I remember being bored halfway through S1 and completely dropped it somewhere on the ship arc in S2.The story is just not moving at all and Anya can't carry all of it on her.
>>286723157The cruise ship lasted way too fucking long. There were some stuff in it I liked, but it got ridiculous and needed to only be like two episodes max.
>>286716661>Almost a year ago this was.Put your glasses on and read your own image again. That was almost two years ago.
>>286715855>less contestedthis is what 2008 jump had every week, if anything it's less contested now
kirihana must return to hentai games
>>286722534you're right, he just completely ignores everything weird about her that is screaming in his face to him because he doesn't love her.also, you see halos around the heads of acquaintances all the time, its normal.
>>286712820>covid normies found family friendly sitcom>normies remembered how shallow and formulaic sitcoms are
>>286723918Not contested within Jump, but within the whole media landscape. Back then Jump was it. There was barely anything else.Now the internet is full of media for you to consume. A single series does not stick out.
>>286712820Is just the japanese version of The Simpsons, but it started to lose steam earlier.
>>286715855While I agree that attention spans have gotten worse, I'd like to think that people have gotten wiser to wanting more than formulaic monster of the week stories that don't go anywhere especially when the basic premise fails to be fullfilled..........overall there are still plenty of such examples, Jump has and had plenty of stories that are aggravatingly slow, on top of my head we got Ruri Dragon, Himaten is so vanilla that its only perks are being drawn competently and being published on a big magazine.But I think that romcoms are overall at a faster pace now, I doubt we are ever gonna get another blueballing like the 20+ years of "Ah my goddess", hence why people talk about "Reiwa energy", but this is just based on what I feel.I don't think anyone has done a serious research across the hundreds of Manga (or even just Romcoms) between the 90s and now to assess whether pacing has gotten better.
>>286724004Ok but if you were to find another woman to complete the job then how would you do it. Ya see how stupid you sound anon.
Manga that can sustain popularity needs to constantly introduce new characters to inject "freshness" into the series, otherwise readers get bored after months/years of nothing happening.Popular examples of are harem mangas (keep adding in more love interests) and shounen battle mangas (add new villains/allies every arc). SxF does neither so it became stale very fast.
>>286714779He had writers block and just forced himself to write something instead of worrying about it all fitting together. Then his mental enema got published and he's been stuck on creative laxatives ever since.
>>286712820The last episode I've seen is when the family rented out a theme park castle for the day. When does it fall off? Has it already fallen off? There's a fucking dog with superpowers now and that gave me a bad taste in my mouth.
>>286724717its just seething haters
>>286712820I recently entered a McDonalds in my shithole of a country and I saw Spy x Family alongside Naruto in the Happy Meal.It can't be that unpopular now.
>>286724717it doesn't fall off as long as you tune your expectations, most of the haters are shipfags
>>286712820What downfall?It's still great and enjoyable.casuals move on to other stuff, that's normal.
>>286712820are there any numbers to display the downfall in popularity? I remember the movie doing really well even though it has been quite long since then. I don't keep up with the series, but just curious about its popularity.
>>286724072https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f56kyDGfp5I&list=RDf56kyDGfp5I&start_radio=1Bruh, the late 2000s and the early 2010s were far richer than today. That's when VNs were still alive, ambitious originals in anime, Hollywood and Western AAA vidya was still cool, Prestige TV like GoT, MMOs were still alive, the golden age of MOBAS, there was so much things to consume and engage in back then compared to today.
>>286712820>Sitcom structureI'm not interested. Give me stakes and give me Yor love
>>286714990I'm not sure what you mean. Like this is just what happened with the story progression. I don't need to have written the thing in order to notice this.
>>286712820The actual story moves at a snails pace.
>>286724928Shocking how unbearably stagnant everything on that list got by 2020.
>>286724302"Reiwa energy" is the best thing to happen to romance but it almost doesn't matter because the people still don't kiss and fuck.
Man, I miss when we would have 12-24 episode anime that just actually told a complete story with a beginning, middle, and end. Now all we get is this eternal stasis bullshit, or "hey look guys this anime adapted like 1/2 of the material of this manga, which itself is probably like 1/2 finished, and won't be done for another decade or more. Enjoy your first quarter of this story!"
>>286724928dumbass
>>286725049The source material used to be novels and mangas that had beginning middle and end of a story arc too. Now the manga is and novels are all repetitive filler so that's what gets adapted. Can't have that couple get together or that magufgin acquired until everyone stopped caring 5 volumes ago.
>>286712820It became Seinfeld: The anime.The show is about nothing now. The story isn't just glacial, it's not making any progress at all.
>>286714430Seven Stellas was just too many. Think about it, what would actually change if Anya got into the Imperial scholar club? Loid would have a CHANCE to advance Operation Strix at certain social events, but its not like it would every would progress instantly from that point forward in a giant boss rush. Anya should have gotten to the next stage of Operation Strix by Chapter 100 at the latest, even if that requires Loid to be manipulating things behind the scenes, so just keep up the feeling the main plot is still going somewhere. Because, again, it doesn't REALLY change anything other than Damien's dad being a character that Loid has a few more opportunities to talk to. Loid would still be doing spy stuff, Anya would still be doing daily school adventures, You would still not be allowed to do anything, etc. But the fact that we are this deep into the story and still this far from the first stage clear is exhausting.
>>286724717That's episode 5 out of 50 + a movie. How can you judge a show when you've barely seen any of it?
>>286712820Maybe add a new loli to the show? Like a rival character (like how Becky was before she turned good)
>>286726718the manga added a couple new lolis recently
It's a great series, my issue with it is the release schedule.It's a two week wait that frequently extends to a month for some bullshit reason by the author
>>286712820Romance shit
>>286712820They need to teach Anya how to use guns
>>286712820These kind of mangas just keep going and going for no reason exhausting all good will.
>>286725481Nigger the dog is in Season 2
>>286727619season 1 is two cours
>>286724796/thread
>>286715565Remember when MHA feel hard off a cliff after S5 only to make a roaring comeback with S6 and 7? That will probably happen with Spy x Family next. The manga has definitely made more progress than the anime, that's for sure, but the pace is so slow, it's hard to get excited for the anime when you have to wait years for each new season when you can simply get the progress as its happening by reading the manga regularly. Spy x Family needs full-length seasons in order to make each season feel like real progress. S1 had two cours, and it worked amazingly well. S2 didn't need a 2nd cour because the Cruise Ship Arc alone is one of the best arcs of the series. Then, S3 came, and we got Loid's backstory, but not much else. We waited all this time for S3, just for a flashback to be the main event. We needed a lot more episodes than just that to make it feel satisfying.
>>286724660Didn't the author also say in an interview he really doesn't care for spyxfamily or the characters it was just the one that took off.
>>286727579I've just been waiting for Anya to unlock more psychic abilities besides telepathy.
>>286727796no, he didn't.
>>286727796Out of context again. He's just frustrated that his darker one-shots failed while the mainstream friendly comedy is the one that blew up. He doesn't hate his work, but it does annoy him that he had to make his work more marketable just for it to get anywhere. Anya's design is actually pulled one of his previous one-shots as an omage to it. I forgot it's name though.
>>286727897its not even that he was literally just joking that he hated that he drew an ikeman and it blew up into a huge clickbait story
>>286727806mind control?
>>286712820interesting premise that went nowhere.
>>286714990you can really only say 'armchair professional' for opinions which require actual expertise, saying it for this evaluation is like telling someone who didn't like the ice cream you gave them that they are an armchair dairyman.
>>286727806That's literally why Bond exists. He's just there to let Anya access future sight, and because having only 3 characters in the family severely limits how many interactions they can have.
>>286728337Imagine if they added a little brother
>>286728022I'm hoping for a combat ability. Like levitating objects, or a force field. Something that could allow Anya to give Loid and Yor assists from a long distance away. If Loid and Yor are close-quarters, physical fighters, Anya should be a camper, because there's no way a 4 year old gonna like Mob can.
>>286728477I would love that, but that'll probably be the epilogue after Loid and Yor finally get married and have their own biological child.
>>286728611>biological child while anya is adopted
>>286727806Please don't do that. We don't need to turn Spy x Family into another Sakamoto Days.
>>286727619And the castle scene is in episode 5 which you claimed is the last episode you've seen.
>>286728477That's what I would do if I was in charge of making things a bit more interesting.>fast track Operation Strix through the friendship scheme>wrap it up in a way that allows Damien and Melenda to stick around>time skip to Anya starting middle school>Anya is now a big sister>slightly more mature and less retarded, but still a dumb kid>Baby brother(new wacky hijinks character) is 1 or 2 years old >just a stupid baby with no plan or long term thinking, but just old enough to cause trouble>he's somehow incredibly cunning, fast, and strong, since he takes after both Loyd and Yor>they're onto a new mission, but also ya still wants to collect all her stellas and become an imperial scholar
At least the current arc is looking good
In memoriam, post best reaction images
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>>286729484>ya still wants*Anya
>>286712820nothing happens - the Manga
>>286714779>believing westoid gaslighting social media memes
>>286714206First post best post and the author is unable to write the war related stuff in the story line.All those chapters showing the war are genuinely garbage.
>>286729576Current arc looked interesting until it went overly goofy.
>>286715565>next demon slayer movie makes a billion dollars from converting people that watched it on streaming to lifelong fans
>>286712820Happens to a lot of shows. The idea and framework they set up is better than the actual storyline. So you enjoy it for that, but unless you keep using that framework effectively it falls off, and most of the time things don't and they get boring and derivative.
>>286714868>author refuses to make progress on any of the important plots and drags it out with filler, after a few years of nothing happening people lose interestThis happens to every long running shonen yet they remain popular.
>>286732753At least with shonen there's the mirage of progression, with spy x family you don't even get that, it's stalling to the max
>>286712820>series called Spy x Family>premise is about forming a fake family to stop a war from starting, and the family is all keeping huge secrets from each other>early chapters/episodes are about them bumbling with their new roles but making it work and growing as people>but then that takes a backseat for rehashed school chapters that go nowhere and the family hardly ever talks to each otherThat initial premise that gets people interested is underused and the only time the Forgers are shown to be a family are when you look at bonus material like the illustrations or the anime OPs/EDs. Or when they need to sell merch of them in matching clothes.They're basically roommates with how little they interact. Remember when Twilight struggled to be a father since he's mission focused and doesn't know how to deal with kids? How his behavior just made Anya cry and Yor had to help him be a parent?Or his problem balancing his spy and fake family life? That doesn't happen anymore. Axeman refuses to write stories for him and would rather leave him vague. This current arc might finally be something for him if Axeman doesn't chicken out again. It's incredible how much heavy lifting the anime and fan content does for Loid in making him more likable and fatherly. Cause Axeman isn't pulling his weight while having the gall to say his idea of Loid is different from fan interpretation.Anya is flanderized to just make meme faces and be ungrateful now. Those days of her playing pretend at home and roping her parents in are long gone. Doesn't even get interested in spy work anymore unless she thinks she's being replaced.Only Yor has gone through her character development journey so far. From feeling like an outsider that shouldn't tell Loid how to raise Anya, to accepting her role as a mother and protecting her new home, to wanting more from the wife arrangement because it's not fake for her anymore.What Yor got is what all the others should have also gotten by now.
>>286728675They can just abandon her
>>286734099>anya schizo delusion about lloyd finding out yor is an assassin or vice versa>ends with a character saying "Also, let's abandon anya!"funny every time
>>286724966I mean that it's easy to critize behind a 4chan if you are not the one writing the manga
>>286728217 >making manga doesn't require expertisestupid retarded retard
>>286712820It got a lot of attention very quickly. Maintaining a large audience is difficult.
>>286712820Because it turned into Detective Conan for Jumpfags. Which is also endless, meandering, and boring as fuck.
>>286734752Making manga, yes. Fortunately, reading manga and discerning its quality does not.Now, if he were saying something like 'Axeman should just draw faster' and 'Axeman shouldn't use assistants', it would be different.
>>286712820>Biweekly release schedule>Author goes on a break and skips one release or twoIt effectively becomes a bimonthly series when not counting short extra chapters and single page releases.
Needs more Yor fanservice
>>286739006Anya*
>>286739274*Becky
>>286739976Loid*
>>286732266It's a fact that all his previous works were flops and he created SxF to have mass appeal
Well lets hope we get a chapter today
>>286714868They aren't ALLOWED to make progress.It's party of why working at Jump sucks if you care about anything but the paycheck. If your series is bringing in money, the editors take over and write your manga for you. If you don't play ball, assistants take over the drawing and you're cut out of the process.The static narrative structure isn't accidental, it's by design. If the formula is moving units, the last thing the editorial staff want is for any change to the status quo. They want to just recycle that formula until it gets stale. Then they'll tease a cliffhanger to hook interest again, run a short arc where something happens, then return to status quo and continue the formulaThe problem is that this only really works for battle manga, because you can hook interest with a new arc or a long-anticipated showdown between popular characters. For something like a comedy series there's no sensible pivot to restore interest, so it just gets progressively more stale until it dies.
>>286737028The actual chapters that come out also aren't always as long as your average biweekly either, there's been plenty that are closer to a weekly in length, hell there's a couple that're like 12 pages.
>>286744078Axeman should go full monthly.
>>286714430>the novelty wore offimplying there was any novelty to begin with
>>286744186If he can actually keep up a decent page count per chapter it'd probably help. It's crazy comparing SxF to other stuff on mangaplus - Choujin X literally has no release schedule and has better pacing, Make the Exorcist Fall In Love started 2 years after SxF and is only 21 chapters behind in terms of count.
>>286740191*Frost
Becky needs three dicks inside her at once
>>286712820The scope of the plot is just way too big. Given the current pacing it’ll take Anya years to obtain the necessary amount of Stella and properly infiltrate Damian’s family. Then again Lloyd’s cover is supposedly already blown.
>>286746286she is already halfway there, if anything the stella plot is going too fast
How much source material is left for more anime? At least another season already?
>>286746606No.I was surprised they did season 3 early.
>>286746656Damn, that's rough. Thanks.
>>286745950She can take more.
>>286712820Post more Fiona Franky and Becky (Damian too I guess)
>>286746606yes actually, more than enough there's been >Study Arc>Martha Namek Arc>a bunch of slice of life chapters referred to as end of Term Break Arc>Poacher Hunting Arcthat's 30 chapters like the other seasons.then there's also the Eden Scandal Arc and the current arc.>>286746656the wheeler Arc was longer ago than you remember anon.
>>286746908But... nothing happened.
>>286747126lots of nothings happened
>>286712820the anime adaptions carries this shit. the manga is fine honestly, though it drags on for a bit while the directors and writers are very good at tightening the it up in the anime
>>286746908>>Martha Namek ArcIt wasn't nearly long enough for that and it's one of the better things in the manga.
>>286746908I could see season four going up until chapter 103 and ending off with the only actual family time chapter in recent memory for the finale. Then they'd have free rein to do all the Desmond and Garden stuff in season 5, plus they'd have some of the fun school material that they love in between.>>286747276>it's one of the better things in the mangaAll it did was show off Axeman's penchant for writing about young women suffering. It's the least justified story because anything you could say in its favor is done better by a different part of the manga, and it continues to age poorly as the story continues to receive new chapters and arcs.
>>286712820Glooman Pharmaceuticals
>>286746436>halfway>too fastIt's been seven years, anon.
>>286746813
>>286747482>writing about young women suffering.Who cares.> is done better by a different part of the manga, In the romance department? Not really.
>>286715565True but those mangas seek that kind of audience from the begining, stuff like Spy x Family start as something else attracting different kind of people and then they shit the bed for wathever reason pushing their original fans away but failing to attract the shonensloppers because the first chapters put them away.
>>286747733how did you go O of 4
>>286712820how is this worse than dbz filler or one piece filler
>>286712820It's not offensively bad like CSM or One Piece for example, it's just not always very interesting. But sometimes it still is. Like the current arc.
>>286747783>Who cares.Exactly.>In the romance department? Not really.I was less invested in their failed romance by the middle of the arc than I was before it started. Axeman's writing of their miscommunication made their personalities more at fault for not being together in than end than the war being responsible for keeping them apart. In fact the best chapter of the arc was the one where they were split up and sending letters back and forth.
>>286748059And speaking of One Piece, it's interesting how both series heavily feature small children, and yet the kids in SxF aren't insufferable and are actually fun to watch. Kids in One Piece though, kill those annoying little shits with fire.
>>286748071>ExactlyThat's not a reply. You said>he can only write women sufferingand I'm asking who cares about that he likes that.>ade their personalities more at fault for not being together in than end than the war being responsible for keeping them apart. Wow, it's like... that's the whole point or something!
>>286748122Yeah, because all I said was that was all the arc did: show he really likes to write girls suffering. That might even be giving it too much credit since it's not like it wasn't obvious from Tista, but Martha's side was unnecessarily dragged out when it wasn't interesting to follow. Jump+ readers who filled out chapter surveys even said they were apathetic about it.>it's like... that's the whole pointThen you'd be surprised how many people thought that it was the war itself and not the poor decisions they, but especially Martha, made leading up to it. I don't know if the majority made a pivot on that opinion since last year though, but the common defense of it as an arc was that it was needed to show how bad a war is, even though Loid's flashback already existed for that.
>>286716021>>286716440ThisSecky Bex
>>286714395I don't know if you even need timeskips as such, just have 2 or 3 months between arcs instead of 2 or 3 weeks, even just having reached a second year by this point would have been greatStill not as bad as fucking High School DxD though
>>286712820It's boring as fuck. That's it.
