Why isn’t saint seiya as popular in north america as it is in south america? It’s the second most famous anime there, right behind dbz.The plot is way more interesting than other shonen from that time.
>>286996496because it was badly censored in usania
>>286996496Too much violence for soccer moms. Too childish for adults
>>286996564>Too childish for adultsThey watch monster trucks. The ptoblem is saint seiya is too earnest and the characters too self sacrificing and heroic. Whole story resonates strongly with catholic countries, but its seen as alien and maybe "cringe" by the deeply judaized, irony poisoned, protestancuck american society. SS has its own virgin mary and a bunch of brown hero orphans, its like it was made for mexicans.
>the plot is way more interesting than other shonen from that timePlease I love Saint Seiya but it's literally a worse Bleach with gayer characters
>>286996523It wasn't censored, it just didn't finish airing.
Its worth noting too that south america got a weird sometimes nonsensical dub, which made the interactions seem even more mystical.
>>286996496because you guys got it over a decade before we did and by 2004 the average american kid that would be into anime is going to resonate way more with "darker" and more japanese shit like naruto, bleach, inuyasha, gundam wing and the more edgy parts of dbz like cell sagasaint seiya was too old looking and too bright to appeal to edgy kids of the post 9/11 age
>>286996496Because it's fucking bad.Had it actually aired in the 80s it probably would've been successful, but Saint Seiya was a 90s anime that competed with 90s cartoons and other 90s anime (or latecomers like DBZ), and it just fucking sucks. You have to be Brazilian to think otherwise.>The plot is way more interesting than other shonen from that time.No. I watched your entire fucking show and the OVAs and the reboot series, and it sucks. The plot is not "interesting", it's mostly the same arc rehashed again and again and again, and it's not even a particularly good one to rehash.
>>286996853>>286997020Which arc from bleach or dbz is better than the sanctuary (12 houses) arc or the hades saga?
>>286996853Kubo wishes he was worthy of sucking Kurumada's cock
>>286996938SS is pretty edgy. The problem is that it's too edgy to be solved with the edition and mistranslations.
>>286996810Kinda explains why it was also popular in Italy and France. And why the muttoids hate it.
>>286996933https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r690Qqo5_xghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4FUa0tLFdUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99idv-XMq2Y
Reminder that the Heaven arc is confirmed, Haters lost
>>286996496It was pretty popular in Poland. I always thought it was neat that an anime wasn't about girls/girly things/gynocentric for once. Then I found out the artist was gay, and it was just shonen wank.Typical. Still, pretty cool anime.
>>286998542Kurumada isn't gay
>>286996496Didn't have the early foothold like in south america, and when it was brought over to the US it was a disastrous censored version with an insane dub filled with original dialogue, in an attempt to make it light hearted.It never went beyond the Galaxian Wars, and so Saint Seiya lost all chances of growing popular in the US back then. Now it would be seen as outdated, every other shounen that got popular in the US became the introduction to several themes Saint Seiya used before, Americans wouldn't see it as a novelty.
>>286997020>No. I watched your entire fucking show and the OVAs and the reboot series, and it sucks. The plot is not "interesting", it's mostly the same arc rehashed again and again and again, and it's not even a particularly good one to rehash.That's such a shit take. I re-watched it as an adult, and it was genuinely good.
>>286998609That's the problem of being a trend setter. Everybody copy you
>>286998598For real? Shit, I'm retarded. I'm pretty sure I assumed as much because someone said so on 4chan years ago. It made sense because there are so many femboys in it.
There was an entire saga of a US artist trying to sue Saint Seiya for copyright infringement since the 90's, then later tried to sue Toei for BILLIONS around 2007That stalled the series and could be the reason why they changed so much
>>286998789Kurumada is a wota. According to a message on volume 16, Kurumada was at the verge of exhaustation but he got motivated listening to a song of idol Noriko Sakai. In 1991, Sakai was launching a short manga and she wanted to meet a professional mangaka so she met Kurumada. In one hand, Kurumada is married and has 2 daughters but in the other hand, he admitted to visit gay bars. Maybe he's bisexual
>>286998953>he admitted to visit gay bars. Maybe he's bisexualOr just closeted like so many homosexuals were during that time, especially in conservative japan. Guess that makes perfect sense, then. SS does stand out a lot with the amount of bishounen it has.
>>286999091He loves Noriko Sakai
>>286999140I mean elton john has 2 kids, so... would be insane to say he's just bisexual
>>286998789Kurumada was literally a japanese delinquent in his youthA lot of what he writes makes more sense after you understand this
>>286999508It kinda shows? Like how every 90s kid was trying to be a tough guy and emulate gangster movies, and you can tell SS portrays that kind of resolve realistically. It's surprising it never was more popular in the US.
>>286999508Kurumada was very poor in his childhood so it was either becoming a yakuza or becoming a construction worker like his dad. He took the third way and become a mangaka. About things that influenced his work, his baby brother died from a disease when he was a kid so that give him a fascination with fraternal bonds. Also he seems to have a complicated love-hate relationship with his father, what explain his troubles with authority figures (there's a reason why Shueisha always hate him) and Oedipical drama
>>286999667>fascination with fraternal bondsThat is such a strong running theme in the anime. Apt.
>>286996496They were not Los guardianes del uuuniverso
>>286996496Because the main themes of Saint Seiya include things like spirituality, faith and loyalty, and northamericans don't have souls.
>>286996496A big part of Saint Seiya's success is due to when it started. There weren't many shounen fighting series with continuous dramatic narrative back then (something like FotNS is pretty episodic) and Saint Seiya narrative is still way too simple compared to later shows, and the action isn't flashy enough to make up for that.The NA release took way too long to happen, and by then it had lost its main selling point and the animation was clearly "old".
>>286996496It's not just North America, it even extends to some of modern day Japan. It's pretty easy to point out why it doesn't have the same popularity it used to.>Even at the time it was running the art looked like it was from the previous decade>No choreography in any of the fights (and it's hard to tell what's even going on with a lot of the attacks)>Almost all the characters lack unique personality traits and fail to stand out from one another>Almost no down time to let the plot and characters breathe>Constant repetition involving a constant stream of bad guys who are all without personality or character, one group (the silver saints) is notorious for just how easily they all go down, hardly even putting up a fight beyond the first one>Character development is in short supplyThere's just not much to really grab people now. Doesn't help that it was hit with horrendous American censorship and alteration and constant insistence on altering it in a way no one likes. >>286997020>Had it actually aired in the 80s it probably would've been successfulIt did and was.
Saint Seiya is way too badly written for 2026. It aged like milk.
>>287000859>It did and was.Maybe in Argentina, but it didn't air in America until like 2002, where it bombed and got cancelled after about 40 episodes.
>>287000911Stick to moeshit
>>286996496>It’s the second most famous anime there, right behind dbz.You got your answer, dragon ball beat it to the punch
>>286997020>it's mostly the same arc rehashed again and again and againThat's even more evident when you read other Kurumada manga, he only knows how to tell 1 story. I wholeheartedly believe that Kurumada is autistic because he has the same obsession over certain patterns that autists always have.
>>286998598>Kurumada isn't gay because he fanboys over some random idolThat's like saying that all faggots that are lady gaga fans are secretly straight
>>286996496I could say it was because of the dogshit censored dub but pedos still loved the dogshit censored cardcaptor sakura dub so i guess burgers are just dumb
>>287001809Maybe a little. It's common for fruity gay guys to fuck their "girlfriends" once in a while
>>287001775Honestly, this is true. Evertything is predictable in the arcs of Ring ni Kakero, even the character design is very predictable. The pretty boy with long hair is the most powerful, the ugly and average ones are somewhat weak and the giants are always the weakest ones
>>287002048Shinatora is the only main cast member in a Kurumada manga that doesn't have a generic pretty boy face
>>287002089It is easily the worst manga of boxing I've read in my opinion. Everything is very predictable, the character design of the enemies, the tragic ending, etc.
Toei will never stop trying. Saint Seiya becoming popular in USA is their white whale
>>287002143I see, you're a faggot. Stick to bara.
imagine getting mogged by your own bootleg copy
>>287002219The fuck are you talking about? Ring ni Kakero is not even close to mangas like Hajime no Ippo, Ganbare Genki, Megalo Box. Even the ending is a rip off of Ashita no Joe.
>>287002143And yet it's the series that established the shounenshit formula that we know today. I already learned that being the pioneer not always means being good when I read the Mazinger Z manga expecting it to be just as good as the Getter Robo manga but it's nowhere close.
>>287002343Kinnikuman invented the battle shonen with villains trying to dominate the world, not Kurumada.
>>287002500I'd say that Ring Ni Kakero, Kinnikuman and Hokuto no Ken are the definitive genre definers
>>287002552No? Kinnikuman created everything in battle shonen formula:1 - Tournament arc2 - Power level 3 - Power of friendshipKinnikuman is still extremely popular in Japan until today.
>>287002500Not even. Mazinger Z was way before that and even that's a stretch to say it did it first. It's a generic motive for villains since forever. Some cartoon in the 40's could have done it and even that might not be the originator. Even then, Kinnikuman villains don't even do anything villainous beyond targeting the "heroes" who don't save the world from anything. All of the conflicts are too self-contained.
>>287002620Did Kinnikuman introduce characters having forms or was it Dragon Ball?
>>287002679I have no idea about the gekiga era, but all modern battle shonen are influenced by Kinnikuman directly or not directly. Dragon Ball is very influenced by Kinnikuman. You clearly have no idea of how popular is Kinnikuman in Japan. Even My Hero Academia have characters inspired in Kinnikuman.
>>287002500>No? Kinnikuman created everything in battle shonen formula:>1 - Tournament arcThe problem is that Kinnikuman is stuck there. "Tournament arcs" aren't a side or specific thing in Kinnikuman after it becomes battle shounen, it's how -everything- happens, like in sports shounen.A demon breaks the victory celebration of a tournament and kills the short baldy who was very close friends with the main character while announcing world domination plans. Yeah, Dragonball directly ripped this off at the end of the 22nd Budokai, but the difference is that when Piccolo pulls that stuff in Dragonball all bets are off and now they're fighting against demons without any rules or clear structure. Meanwhile, Kinnikuman just turns it into another tournament arc where everyone fights in wrestling rings.Battle Shounen came on its own exactly because it WASN'T tied to the tournament arc format, even if there are still tournaments here and there.
>>287002919Kinnikuman for Japan is like Captain America for the United States, it is extremely popular only in the United States, not the rest of the world. Saint Seiya is not a classic in Japan and Hokuto no Ken is not that relevant nowadays.
>Ring ni kakero 1977>Kinnikuman 1979
>>287003279The two first years of RNK are pretty average boxing not fantastic boxing
>>287002792>You clearly have no idea of how popular is Kinnikuman in Japan.Did you even read what you were replying to? I told you that villains dominating the world is not a Kinnikuman thing.
>>287002620Kinnikuman invented tournament arcs as much as it invented wrestling.
Anime didn't became a significant market in the US until the mid 90s at the very earliest when DBZ while near the end of its run was still airing. Meanwhile the Saint Seiya anime ended in 1989 and newer anime were more likely to gain traction to justify bringing them over to the US over something like Saint Seiya. By the time the Saint Seiya anime was brought over to the US in 2003 it was widely outdated.
>>286996496Saint Seiya was never good. Saint Seiya is 95% speech, dick measurement and no action + shit fights. Dragon Ball Z always had good fights
>>286996496North America had an american saint seiya and sailor moon pilot episodes adaptations. They were awesome. The only explanation could be as always: money, racism and copyrights
>>287003719>t. low t burger
>>287000859I agree with everything. Let's be honest, Saint Seiya is overrated. Not to mention the enemies are all bland characters, the gold saints are basically only Saga, Kanon and Shaka, the MC is not developed well too.
>>287004368Seiya is actually better developed than most of the characters, despite his reputation for being bland.
>>286996496Is this the show Tite Kubo got inspired by
>>287004368I consider Saint Seiya overrated because of Next Dimension, Twelve temples again? Copy/paste of Gold Saints again? It shows that Kurumada only knows how to do the same history.
>>287004532Mostly the Soul Society arc and how the Gotei 13 is structured.
when did it even air in america? I remember ronin warriors but I'm pretty sure that was a completely unrelated series.
>>287004340Cope
>>287004340>testosterone>saint seiya>everyone is a femboy and just stands around all the time and cries over everything
>>287003329And Kinnikuman initially is just super hero parody.
>>286996523Almost everything was kept intact except they changed the name to "Knights of the Zodiac" which IMO is way cooler. "Saint Seiya" isn't even a bad name, the former just fits better with western language.
>The US theme was a cover of Flock of Seagulls' "I Ran" covered by fucking Bowling for Soup.Why were the 00s so fucking weird?
Daily reminder that shaka is the strongest gold saint.>is the man closest to God>greatest cosmos>defeated (practically) three gold saintsSagafags can cope.
>>287005904"saints" is cooler than "knights".
>>286996523this especially during Ikki fights>>287006064everyone knows this they just like starting shit
>>287004718Good enough. I shall watch your anime now
>>287006064Aren't Shaka, Saga and Kanon the only developed gold saints? The rest didn't show their potential.
>>287006064Saga, Camus and Shura weren't at their prime because the specter cloths are much weaker than gold cloths
>>287006157Stfu
>>287005651Crying in real life over the lack of burgers in a fast food restaurant nearby isn't exactly better, by dear fan from North America. Saint Seiya or Dragon Ball could teach you how to man up and become a functioning adult, but somewhat you refused to grasp that message. I guess the chicken wings were too delicious to focus on other shit.
>>287006979>Saint Seiya or Dragon Ball could teach you how to man up and become a functioning adultRemove Saint Seiya from that sentence and you'd have a point. Saint Seiya doesn't have a message.
>>287006064>is the man closest to GodReligious thing. Nothing to do with power. >greatest cosmosCitation needed.>defeated (practically) three gold saintsDidn't defeat a single one. The whole "fight" was a farce and Shaka died anyway.
>technique stated to have the power of the big bang>is just a generic energy beam that is less impressive than kid goku's kamehameha
>>287007075neither has DB
>>287007075You seem to want to act cool, but you seem frustrated and quite upset. What did Saint Seiya, an old anime meant to be read by teenage boys, do to you?
>>287007152In theory it has way much power, but technically, it's just a very strong Kamehameha, yeah.
>>286996810>Whole story resonates strongly with catholic countriesThis, Seiya had his own procession while climbing the stairs of the Pisces palace, Ikki (and Saga, and Kanon) is Judas, Ikki and Shun are also Cain and Abel...I also find it funny that Hyoga is some sort of perverted Sisyphus that takes flowers to his late mother's shipwreck, and that his master is Camus, and removed from him that purpose to replace it with the purpose of being strong.>>286997311>SanctuaryNone>HadesMost, if we're talking anime.>>287007152It can't be complicated, these guys have wildly different powers in nature, the only common ground is they have Cosmos, but not how they use it.
>>287006883>>287007104kek 40 fucking years and you guys still in copium
>>287007257Picrel has made them seethe for decades. That's the biggest Shaka's victory.
>>287004660>Copy/paste of Gold Saints again?That's LC. ND gold saints have their own design and gimmicks
>>287006064I would let Shaka abuse my ass, no homo.
>>287005904>Almost everything was kept intacthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svBbL5eoGfw
>>287007152It's on a theorical level and every damage is translated into "numbers" on an objective, but they are just as strong and you better be strong enough to tank it.
>>287007075Say what you want about Saint Seiya but Kurumada isn't shy about showing his humanistic views and ethical doubts
>>287000859I don't know how can anyone say Kurumada is a good mangaka after read Next Dimension and that pile of trash took 18 years to finnish.
>>286996870Green blood? I mean, vital energy,
>>287007169No, but there is more to gain from it. Dragon Ball has inspired many to take up working out and training. Saint Seiya doesn't have any stories like that.>>287007189Nothing. >>287007439>Kurumada isn't shy about showing his humanistic views and ethical doubtsCan you elaborate on that?
>>286996496I remember vividly rubbing my thighs together during this scene in 1994, way before I knew what masturbation was
>>287007169DB teach you to make friends, SS teach you about what is right and wrong, and that might doesn't always make right.
>>287007213>I also find it funny that Hyoga is some sort of perverted Sisyphus that takes flowers to his late mother's shipwreck, and that his master is Camus, and removed from him that purpose to replace it with the purpose of being strong.Hyoga vs Camus was pretty much an Oedipical nightmare. According to psychoanalysis, a boy become a man by separating from his mother and killing his father. Obviously symbolically but Kurumada took it literally. Camus wasn't Hyoga's biological father but he was the man who raised him so good enough
>>287007257You should read the manga again and Shaka didn't showcase anything there indicating he was stronger.
>>287007481Did you even watch the show or read the manga? Morals are everywhere and aren't subtle at all
>>287007491
>>287004368In my opinion, Kurumada created a very good universe, but that universe is way too big for him and his abilities as mangaka.
>>287007530What morals? Killing good people bad and killing bad people good?
>>287007481>muh working out because an alien from anime is doing so is more valuable than living an honest life with valuesYeah, it tells a lot about your perspective. How about working out for yourself? How about embracing the fact that the world is full of different people and emotions, too?
>>287007587That retard you are talking with is either retarded (kek) or just shares low quality bait. You should just laugh at him and leave him be. Saint Seiya is a lame shit? Great, momma must be proud of him.
>is canonically a pajeetWhat did Kurumada meant with that?
>>287007601>living an honest life with valuesWhat honest life? He has values, but he's just following along without really making any choices for himself. He embraces his destiny, but there's naught really interesting about Seiya's journey. What does it inspire you to do exactly?>How about working out for yourselfThat is exactly what Goku does.
>>287007660The image of indian people 30 years ago was of "the most saint-like people", in all honesty I don't see what was the problem with Apu when he was portrayed with such great values and spiritual beliefs.
>>287007732Never wonder why so many SS fans eventually got into the industry? That's why SS is so influential despite having a relatively short run and Kurumada being persona non grata at Shueisha. It inspires people to follow their convictions.
>>287007883Apu was a conman but to be fair, everybody in Springfield goes from flawed to deeply flawed
>>287007732You casually omitted Seiya's tenacity and stubbornness in reaching his goal, but praised Goku for it. xD Why should I believe that you want to know anything in good faith? You want me to mention specific values and write a wall of text, only to say some contrarian shit in return. Fuck, you also seem to mix any values for young boys coming from reading and watching both of these series, with main characters and their journey, as if other characters didn't exist. Gohan inspired a lot of people too.Also, Goku works out for waku waku and fighting strong people. Do you also work out to fight with local thugs for the sake of fighting?
>>287007732You need to have resolve, faith, and be determined in reaching your goal and stay true to your beliefs. It's one lf of many lessons you can find in Saint Seiya. One of man that will allow you to man up, but not force you to believe that only under strict circumstances they will be relevant. And it's only a part about Seiya. The main crew has four more people that can reach you a lot, Anon. You might be an adult, but let me tell you this - there is nothing wrong even in learning from Shun's sensitive masculinity or Ikki's machoism.
>>287007906I don't know if he's a persona non grata, but surely protecting your own original vision from getting ruined required a lot of braveness that a lot of manga authors lack.
>>287008089Kurumada always had a bad relationship with Shueisha. Arguably it reached its breaking point during Fuma no Kojiro when Kurumada's editor ordered him to skip his father's funeral to keep working. Kurumada told him to fuck off and Shueisha never forgot. Then Otokozaka flopped and Shueisha ordered Kurumada to conclude the manga in the next chapter. Kurumada planned to continue Otokozaka some day so he published pic related, becoming a proto meme. After Otokozaka was cancelled, Shueisha threatened Kurumada to remove his spot in WSJ so he had to publish Saint Seiya when he still wasn't sure of what's going to be about. When Toei selected Saint Seiya for an anime adaptation, Shuiesha replied that Kurumada was too young (despite Toriyama was younger and got Dr Slump). The break up come after Silent Knight Sho. Shueisha ordered Kurumada to make another Saint Seiya so Kurumada created Silent Knight Sho but it bombed so Toei wanted to move Kurumada to a seinen magazine with less readers. Kurumada felt offended after all he did for WSJ so he quit and moved to Akita Shoten publishing B't X. Kurumada and Shueisha remained at odds during the 90s but they got an agreement in the 00s with Kurumada writing Ring ni Kakero 2. It seems the deal included Kurumada becoming the sole owner of his IPs. By comparison, Dragon Ball don't belong to Toriyama's family but Shueisha but when Kurumada dies, his daughter will inherit Saint Seiya
>>287008192I knew about most of things that you mentioned, but some of them were new (for instance, the Fuma no Kojiro thing; no wonder that the last arc of this manga has always felt awkward). Thanks for a good explanation, Anon.I think that Kurumada did the right thing in becoming the only owner of his works. He remained faithful to his vision and values, instead of becoming tied to corporations.
Kinnikuman mentioned, I remember hearing from someone the Chile dub studio drop the series after getting into the Akuma Chojins arc because the series was getting more serious and centered into fights instead of comedy and the studio did not liked that, I think if the series had been picked up by a Mexican dub studio instead it probably would have had more recognition in Latin America, like others anime. Another thing I heard is that the anime was only broadcast in Chile
>>287008514Reminder that feuding Saint Seiya with Kinnikuman is pointless because Kurumada and Yudetamago are bros
>>287007382>That's LC. ND gold saints have their own design and gimmicksNext Dimension only has Deathtoll, the rest are all trash. Also:Albafica has nothing to do with Aphrodite, meanwhile Cardinale is le traitor piscis againDegel has nothing to do with Camus, Mystoriya is as expressionless as CamusRegulus has nothing to do with Aiolia, Kaiser is Aiolia with petsHasgard is totally different from Aldebaran, Ox = Aldebaran = non-characters, the same plot device for enemies and nothing moreKardia has nothing to do with Milo, Kardia has personality meanwhile Ecarlate = Milo = no personality and token love of Camus/OdysseusEl Cid has nothing to do with Shura, El Cid is a proud warrior, Izou is a plant just like Shura
>>286996496It's popular in latam I think.
>>286996496Stil much much more popular than Dai no Daibouken, which is way better than Saint Seiya IMO
>>287007504Would you dare say Camus is "absurd"?>>287007587Self-sacrificeForgivenessFaithTrustFilial pietyDiligenceGrowthHumilityObjection to violenceSure, yes, "might for right" over "might is right"
>>287006989Kys
>>287007472Was it ever explained how he could cut trough a gold cloth with his bare hands?
>>287007660Who taught him to how to use a toilet when he moved to the sanctuary?
>>287014216No need to,since It was an anime thing only, in the manga he only breaks his arm.
The concept of animated Power Rangers is very popular in the USA, but SS is too gay even for Netflix, who decided it was better to correct Shun than to endure his endless homosexuality.
>>286996496It's also very popular in Europe. We even get the NES vidya.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw6s3g1VpUc
>>287013801Oh my god Devilman became Vegeta with a mustache.
>>287015249it's popular everywhere outside the anglosphere
>>287013801This character being basically proto-Omniman while the remake series aired around the same time as the first Invincible season is some crazy cosmic coincidence
>>2869964961 - It's shit, only one arc is good and that arc is repeated countless times.2 - 100% nostalgia, Next Dimension is the proof that Saint Seiya was never good, the mangaka only knows how to do the same thing over and over again, zero innovation.
>>286996564>Too much violence for soccer moms. Too childish for adultsThat's, like, every shonen ever, bro.
>>287007660Shaka is of undiluted Aryan invader stock
>>287015384Among all other 80s shonen manga, Dai no Daibouken is the least popular in north/south america. Zero fan, literally. That's too sad, though it's one of the best classic shonen of all time
Some anons act like Kurumada killed his dog or something
>>287002187>One Piece releases S2>Still no KOTZ sequelIt's as dead as Ikki
>>287016575That theory born from Germany's inferiority complex toward the other European powers in the 19th century and was based on mistranslations but somehow stuck in the Japanese mindset. Probably because they're honorary aryans and never went through Nuremberg trials
>>286996496Man, zoomers are having a meltdown over the horrible Chainsaw Man ending, just imagine if they start to read Next Dimension which is basiccaly the same shit but worse? Saint Seiya will never be a thing to modern audience unless a manga reboot.
>>287020330Fuck off
>>286996564Only the first part is true, America was going through another Think of the children/Modern media is too violent moment. Plus SS is characterized by its copious amounts of blood; it's a core element of the series, and they didn't have the tools we have now. Censoring all that blood was an impossible task. PBZ couldn't have said it better; the explicit bloody violence was the main selling point of SS.
>>287001775Guys like LandofObscusion love to lie and claim Kurumada ran popularity polls to decide who'd win the Saint tournaments and be the protags, but you look at the formula of so many Kurumada manga and it's clear he has his favorite types.
>>287003606Toei tried to market it at NATPE in the 80s and no one bit then. Frontier dubbed some episodes as test pilots, one being the Jamian plot,but they didn't sell. Some clips were included on the Gold VHS Collections, but the entire episodes have never been uncovered.
>>287006157>t. retrosofa
>>287022365Why are hispanic boomers like this? You only watch one or two anime. Nowadays average shonen is way more violent than Saint Seiya.
>>287007660June is Ethiopian but a whitey too
>>286996496Came too late to the USA and has way too much meddling. Some think Toei bends over backwards out of the goodness of their heart for ungrateful burgers, but it's a mix of bad timing and shitty decisions.>Fans for it existed since the 80s and Pat Munson-Siter made a "viewer's guide" full of errors but was the standard for burger fans at the time>Fans wanted Viz to license it in the early 90s but nah>Japanese produced English test dub done in 1989 never sold>DiC got its claws in it in 2003 and made it a big laughingstock with Bowling for Soup, green blood, etc.>ADV only sub-licensed it for the uncut version, could only license as far as DiC had (and DiC hadn't even dubbed that far anyway)>Discotek only licensed the movies and said TV show would only happen if movies sold well>They didn't, and Saint Seiya autists are a constant source of contempt for their brass>Sentai dub only happened because Toei funded it to go alongside CGISlop show>CGISlop show handled by those like Eugene Son who changed Shun to a girl out of arrogance>Son also associated with the live action movie in early scripts, he left but they retained many of his shitty changes
>>287022616>Nowadays average shonenNo one fucking dies in nowadays shonen and it always ends with >If you kill your enemies they win! Purest form of slop
>>287022872Boomer how many anime do you watch? Lot of people died in Jujutsu Kaisen, a mainstream shonen, for example
>>286996496It only aired briefly on Toonami and I think even then it was only like on Saturdays or something. If they had put it in the after school rotation like they did G Gundam, Zoids, Big O, etc it would've faired better.
>>287007472That stuff never bothered me as a kid. I kind of thought it was cool because it was easier to imagine being in that situation and surviving
>>287023076Not even on Toonami, but some earlier morning block. Probably could've done better on Toonami, but then, maybe not. Staring at how Cyborg 009 did and then got relegated to AM death slots.
>>287018954Baginski needs the Phoenix Cloth, but oops, it got destroyed in-film.
>>286996496>being mogged by copy pasteHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>287023464There have been some very, very salty fans of Seiya complaining about that all over social media. Either the LC nerds who rue Kuramada's name, or those huffing the cope that Toei will give a 2D remake of the manga that won't be low-effort slop.
>>287007660real pajeets wish
>>287023540>Either the LC nerds who rue Kuramada's nameAre they wrong? 18 years of Next Dimension destroyed Saint Seiya, Kurumada deserve all the hate he gets to me.
>>287008192Is kuramada daughter a mangaka?
>>287023540Saint Seiya is over because of Kurumada's enormous ego and vanity desu
>>287023605>>287023642Imagine if he goes the way of Ishinomori before Tenkai-hen really starts, just to troll everyone one last time.
>>287023665Are there people REALLY excited about heaven saga? I guess nobody expects him to finish it
>>287023718You can find them in those twutter wars between the Kurumada-onlys and those on the side of Teshirogi, or those wishing Takao Koyama would write for something Seiya again.
Tatsunoko has the opportunity to do a really funny thing and reboot Shurato now.
>>287023638No
>>287023464Well, they trear their fandom more like adults way more than Saint Seiya in both Omega and Next Dimension.
>>287025236They managed to get three out of the five og Trooper actors back too, unlike Toei doing the "you all sound too old, we'll fire you except Furuya" plan for the rest of Hades that resulted in Furuya leaving too.
>>286996496I would never recommend Saint Seiya to anyone, they'll like the characters, they'll want more content about them, and they'll get absolutely nothing new because the creator never really cared about it. Even Nappa has received more new content than all the Gold Saints combined in the last 20 years. Fanfics like the spin-offs don't count. Being Saint Seiya fan is horrible. If you are new, don't watch this anime.
>>287025637>Fanfics like the spin-offs don't count. Based retard
Because only Faggots, aka brazillians thinks that this shit is good.
>>287025779You are the fag
>>287025821Spotted the saint seiya voice actor shill
>>287025779I am this anon >>287025637, Saint Seiya is only "bad" because the creator don't really care about it, the characters are very charismatic. I consider it wasted potential
>>287025841Nice fanfiction
>>287025875>wasted potentialMany such cases sadly
>>287025875At least the Nagai-inspired artstyle is neat despite the fact that Kuramada can’t into faces
>>287025637>Even Nappa has received more new content than all the Gold Saints combined in the last 20 yearsThis is true and painful to read. Seiya himself was in coma for 20 years.
>>287025966Kurumada is legit autist. He excels at background, composition and mechanical designs but he can't draw humans, especially faces.
>>287025779Most of SS money come from China
>>287026084>issues with his father>troubles with his employers>likes strong male characters >often joked/seen as homosexual >style is either you love it or hate it>takes forever to release new projects>does what he considers right without caring about criticsKurumada is Japanese John K. but without the sexual allegations while managing to have a family.
The fights are bad. I liked Saint Seiya but every fight is just emotional stakes and then the winning character one shots with a flashy technique. There isn't really any action choreography or strategy.
>>287026393Saint Seiya's fights inspired Sailor Moon. Many people working on Sailor Moon were ex-SS staff members
>>287026341The Japanese John K is Hideaki Anno. Both are animators that rise to stardom in the 90s, both revolutionized their industries and both are huge nostalgiafags. It's just that Anno could put his shit together while John K devolved into schizophrenia and pedophilia
>>287014216the same way Seiya broke Aldebaran's horn.>>287014710which manages to make even less sense because it's a rigid piece of metal>>287007504in the weekly chapters Camus straight-up says Hyoga had Oedipus complex.
>>287026513Does sailor moon have any decent fights? I've only seen some of it, but all the fights I saw were saint seiya style 'talk until someone 1 shots the other one and has emotional catharsis'.
>>287026551Yeah, but Kurumada is also a good comparison
>>287025637Kurumada supposedly wanted to do Gold Saint stories in V Jump but had to finish Hades there instead. Could've given more in the years since but only gave the origin story for Saga.
>>287026084>Kurumada "fixed" art for Final edition but not Lizard Misty's eye about to run away off his face
>>287014710Strongest fistInherited ExcaliburCosmo
>>287007472The censorship itself wasn't the problem. Pretty much every anime Cartoon Network US aired was censored. The problem with the Knights of the Zodiac dub was that DiC completely massacred the story, music and characterization in their approach unnecessarily. It's more comparable to 4Kids' One Piece dub.Line and story changes in Yu Yu Hakusho and Dragon Ball's English dubs at least done with the belief, rightly or wrongly, that they were working towards a good end product. Knights of the Zodiac changes were done in diluting the any substance the program had because all involved didn't care.It compounds even further with Saint Seiya anyway because pre-Asgard it's just looked old and poorly animated for 2003. Gundam 0079 aired just a couple of years earlier and failed to draw ratings leading to cancellation (with 9/11 as a scapegoat).
>>287002719It was technically Princess Knight.
>>286996496>south americaBecause it belongs to the third world:its author is an ignorant dude with a truncated education who only thinks about male violence - not gay-
>>287027402Kurumada studied mythology, you faggot
>>287018415spics be like that after he made Lost Canvas not canon
>>287027831I hate my fellow spics so much
>>287027402Kurumada couldn’t adapt to the authoritarian Japanese educational system but he read a lot
>>287023464Did Latin American boomers say this anime is too "colorful" and "gay"?
>>287030294Man, they say Omega is gay, meanwhile Classic is way more gay than Omega.
>>287027831You then got GeekU who's some alkie clout chaser that helps gas them up too.
>>287014710The anime is better for this. Shura dies shortly after anyway. Him "breaking his arm" through the armour doesn't make sense, especially given he just ignores it. Seiya broke his leg and then Aiolia put bandages on it and that's it, no more leg problems.
>>287030375Omega gold saints are way better than classic ones. Classic ones only have nostalgia factor.
>>287025637>Even Nappa has received more new content than all the Gold Saints combined in the last 20 yearsFalse (just look at the various spinoffs jerking them off), but he should because the gold saints are faggots who sit there twiddling their thumbs all day and are always infighting or "testing" the main characters while the bronzes are the ones we're allowed to engage with and get shit done.
>>287025637>say "muh Nappa new content bigga than Gold Saints new content combined awoo">add "heh but excluding new Gold Saints content"What the fuck? Take your meds, schizo.
>>287031451Kurumada himself made the ones who helped the protagonists dirty, Aiolos was never developed, Aldebaran was always being used as scapegoat and Dohko was boycotted in Hades.
>>287031506What a shit job he did the to the first two ones. Dohko at least has some moments in Next Dimension, but in the end Dohko forgot everything about Shiryu
>>287031597To me Saga, Shaka and Kanon are the only good classic gold saints. No good silver saints, Orpheo is boring and the secondary bronze saints are sadly very irrelevant. About the enemies, all of them are bad, the OK ones are Radamamthys and Sorento.
>>287031010>GeekUHe's the stereotypical SSfag and that's why I hate him
>>287022616Read it again, I said that when SS aired Latam in the early 90s, it was popular due to its violence.
>>287030375>watching SS for jeking offSS is about being manly and there's nothing gayer than saints having spring vacations
>>287031728There is nothing gayer than 40 years old boomers discussing power level in facebook.
>>287018415Most of them are just TLCsissies who are mad, because their fanfic-tier spin-off anime didn't sell well as the OVA series, so it got discontinued. Instead of moving on, then have been insulting pretty much everything that's not TLC and everyone who didn't make TLC-related content. So you have them spreading lies about Kurumada, insulting fans of non-TLC content, or even acting toxic as fuck towards spin-off authors for making... a spin-off that's not TLC (I read that several years ago some retard was mean to Chimaki so much that even Teshirogi had to react).
>>287031693Dunno, for me he seems just a fan who really likes Saint Seiya. He's no different from devoted fans of other franchises.
>>287031813
>>287031901It's amazing that being a SSfag became a career. See Kuori, Teshirogi, Tsunakan, Jerome Alquie and all those spic youtubers. You can really make money from anything
>>287031813Worse when they ferociously argue with teenagers and when both parties do it for real, unironically.
>>287031937Have you been living in the wilderness for the last 15 years? It's nothing new. The trend is fairly old and, if anything, it has only accelerated in the recent years. You can even see people n making money by streaming themselves while they're sleeping, kek.
>>287031938When the live action was released, a small group of fangirls went to war with SSfags because they were in love with Mackenyu. I even remember some chick posted that SSfags are old men traumatized with their childhood. And that was before One Piece. Just imagine if Seiya was played by a Korean idol, there'd be a brutal war between teen girls and middle-aged men on twitter
Are greeks fans of Saint Seiya in particular?I know that italians cares
>>287031728What happens in the temple of Libra stays in the temple of Libra
>>287031973Reminder that this literal incel achieved more on his life than any of us will ever do. He became a SS character, Ikki's master
>>287032041It's ironic that the CG show followed the manga and Shaun only hugged Magnus
>>286996810>The ptoblem is saint seiya is too earnest and the characters too self sacrificing and heroicHokuto No Ken is also like that and it didn't have any problems appealing to North American audiences
>>287032154We're talking about mainstream popularity. You won't see a Kenshiro balloon in the Thanksgiving Parade
>>287031991Oh fucking kek, this is something I haven't heard about, and I think I saw a lot of overly critical comments about that movie. Though it isn't something unimaginable, given how fangirls of actors or singers can react.>>287032051Is it that guy from Peru who has a massive collection of Saint Seiya merch, which led to Guilty being mentioned as a Peruvian as a form of tribute to him? What a legend. I kneel.
>>287018415I only dislike his feud with Yamauchi. The franchise would've been completely different if he had let him complete the Hades arc.
>>287032203>which led to Guilty being mentioned as a Peruvian as a form of tribute to himNot only that but Guilty's official name is Jorge, just like him
>>287032269>a man called Guilty, who is wearing a mask from Bali and has a blonde daughter, is actually Jorge from Peru
>>287032460Esmeralda is not his daughter in the manga iirc
>>287032460SS is multicultural like that.
>>286996810>The ptoblem is saint seiya is too earnest and the characters too self sacrificing and heroic.the problem is that when it came to english speaking countries in the 2000s it was already considered "outdated" in terms of aesthetics and presentation, people worldwide love a story about good guys giving their best, hell, dragon ball z was HUGE in the usa and that one had an english dub that turned goku into basically superman, saint seiya was simply "uncool"
>>287001809>That's like saying that all faggots that are lady gaga fans are secretly straightnot straight but i earnestly believe that the "pop girlie" gays are bisexuals who fell into some paradoxical hyper-progressive niche social circle where they dont feel comfortable with admitting their obsession over women's bodies might actually be lustful to some extent
>>287032633Burgers really don't have a soul
>>287032682See >>287002025Maybe libs have a point and sexuality is fluid
>>287002187im south american and my dad grew up with saint seiya so he took me to watch this movie on release day with him and after seeing it he told me that he wish we would've stayed home instead
>>287032065You then got fanboys saying how they wanted to be between Shaun's boobies kek
>>287032475Yeah he only bought her as a slave
>>287005943that sounds kinda kino but im a big flock of seagulls fan
>>287032709That was pretty much the general reaction to the live action. They tried to appeal to American normies but end alienating everybody. It didn't help Sony refused to promote the movie after the trailer received a massive backlash
>>287032709There were only two other people in the theater I went, when I wanted to see how many chunks it blew
>>287032755It went through 22 different script drafts too, each successive change focused on simplifying the story and thinking people would be too confused if it wasn't but them overexplaining shit that didn't need to be while not explaining others. Apparently even the final product was cut down significantly.
>>287032779
>>287032836>Tomas Baginski: Mackenyu, are they booing me?>Mackenyu: No director-san. They're saying Booginski, Booginski>Tomas Baginski: Are you saying boo or booginski?>BOOOOOO!!!!!>Kurumada: I was saying Booginski
>>287032855Kurumada needed to drown his sorrows in cheap sake after he didn't get the profits he needed for better brand
>>287032877And to think Kurumada evaded public appearances for decades and he assisted to the live action premiere. I bet it was his daughter's idea, or perhaps Kurumada has a crush on Mackenyu
>>287032682I heard that gay orgies are a common occurrence in most Lady Gaga concerts
>>287032877>Kurumada after signing the deal for the live action
>>287032909she's popular (or well, was, im not sure of how relevant she currently is) enough that i dont think most concerts will not even have enough space for anyone to really bend over unless they are in some ultra vip 5000$ seating
>>287032990>Hiroshi-san, el gladiador del horóscopo
>>287007152>3 golden saints can produce a big bang>all 12 only creates a sunI'm still calling it a hack!
>>287007412Isn't that Wayne Grayson lmao? The guy who voices Joey from YGO?What a terrible casting choice, they made Hyoga sound like a goofball kek.
>>287027402>its author is an ignorant dude with a truncated education who only thinks about male violenceThe irony is that because of that, USA would be the perfect country to find a market in.I mean you guys are ignorants with hyper poor education standards who only think about violence, lol.
>>286996496The idea that Pisces are gay is ridiculous! >:3
>>286996496Arr rook same
>>287032682lmao mascfags hate flamboyant gays because that reminds them what they truely are inside all that macho cope
>>286996496>Why isn’t saint seiya as popular in north america as it is everywhere else?Fixed
>>286996853Bleach fucking sucks
>>287031813The fandom of this anime in both Asia and Latin America is extremely shit. In Latin America is a bunch of boomers with belly beer who still make jokes about characters like Aphrodite and Shun, (But all of them respect feminine characters like Shaka and Mu for some reason), only talk about power level and post very shit AI contenct. In Asia is a bunch of old and asexual fujoshis with very few imagination and only know to draw generic faces and poses.
>>287000859>>287004368None of that is true
>>287007440People get old and their creative spark dries out, you know
>>287015690>muh next dimension shitKeep crying, faggot
>>287036075Not quoted but... There are literally no excuses for Next Dimension. I mean, he spent years to write the same shit? With internet and even chatgpt? Come on.
>>287022941>Jujutsu Kaisenlololol
>>287036145But Next Dimension is SHIT. It's literally 18 years for: Wow, Odysseus is cool! > Big reset > No one remembers nothing. All pointless.
>>287035459U ar conlalian
>>287036145>destroyed all the hype among Saint Seiya fans>100% useless arc>forgetable and generic charactersNext Dimension is not hated enough. Then should be in 2006 not fucking Next Dimension
>>287036008Latin American fans only think they should be entitled to adapt Seiya too, so even if the live action movie was better they'd seethe. They don't like the Frenchies or Chinese or others getting their hands in it.
>>287034867Stuart Stone, they had him once voicing Nachi too
>>287036008>In Latin America is a bunch of boomers with belly beer who still make jokes about characters like Aphrodite and Shun, (But all of them respect feminine characters like Shaka and Mu for some reason)I will never understand that, Saint Seiya is literally one of the gayest shonen.
>>287036353The amount of projecting with this retard is incredible.I'd love a good SS movie disregarding who made it. In fact I'd have a frog making it rather than a Murican any fucking day. Frogs get SS, in fact they might be the ones who get it the most in the whole Occident.
>>287032709>my dad grew up with saint seiya
>>287036595I will never forgive Kurumada for such shit treatment to my boy, he deserved a harem with Mu, Aiolia, Shaka and Aphrodite, not that shit.
>>287037694He only started to care about Aiolos in 2026. We were robbed.
>>287037694Aldebaran is ugly
>>287037838Saint Seiya fujoshis are almost all shit, you would throw up at Golden Kamuy lmao
>>287036008You sound like a 8 yo kid complaining that people who are not 8 yo don't laugh at your meme made for 8 yosLiterally go to bed
>>287036158>>287036177>>287036271Yeah, I've read that piece of shit.Still saying that Saint Seiya is bad because of that absolute shit that he wrote in his twilight years during a Ridley Scott moment is still a retarded nonsequitur
>>287036595the projection is strong in this one
>>287035080https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-rankings-by-countryI don't think you can understand it, spic
>>287037694Giant musclemen are always treated like shit in all of his manga. His napoleon complex is just that strong
>>287032855I wonder how Kurumada truly feels about the live action
>>287040208People want to root for the underdog, especially children
>>287041772As soon as the rights expire we might find out.
I may be the only guy here that likes ND. Also the ending was kino
>>287036790Frogs made a good job with City Hunter
>>286996496>The plot is way more interesting than other shonen from that time.Back in the 80's nips said that there wasn't even a plot and the popularity was carried hard by the anime that's why it lost steam so hard, even one of Jumps editors commented that he didn't know how such a mediocre manga was so popular
>>286996496>tfw they can't even make an anime reboot and go for a more 1:1 adaptation like Sailor Moon and Rose of Versailles because then everyone will realize that Araki's direction and plot changes are the reason why they like it
>>286996496Where is kanon
>>287000859I still can't believe Hokuto no Ken and Saint Seiya basically ran at the same time.
>>287002287Blame Toei
>>287045058Saint Seiya feels more like a 70s manga than a 80s manga when you think about it
>>287044752I heard that Torishima told Toei to fire the DB producer and hire the SS in his place because of how impressed he was with the anime even though he found the manga to be trash(which is why the distinction between classic DB and Z exist in the first place)
>>287045102Saint Seiya is by far the most mismanaged japanese IP I have ever seen
>>287000911The story is still perfectly acceptable shonenshit, the art is what has aged like milk.
Sex with Pandora.
>>287045556>The story is still perfectly acceptable shonenshitI know in term of antagonist writing we've regressed quite a lot but buddy it was already bad for 80's standards it's like if a worse Black Clover got one of the best anime directors to adapt it.
SS was only good for MiloCamus and RhadaKanon, which is why Episode G is based>>287045655I blame KnY black and white narrative and making the villain of your mango a Saturday morning cartoon acceptable
>>287000911nah it just a classic story, anime aged fine, problem can be the sound sometimes, but that's itthe manga was never good on the art besides armor porn, Toei caharacter designer saved it back then, and had one of the best composers in Japan to work on it, only to wokr on this and Cobra (iirc) and then never to compose on any other anime again
>>286996496It had the classic anime, the Legend of the Sanctuary movie, the CGI remake with girl Shun and the live action movie to attract American audiences, if it didn't succeed with those attemps nothing will.
>>287045577I prefer the classic design
>>287048025Her classic design is good too, but LC Pandora with Nana Mizuki voice + her battle armor is perfect for me.
>>287048025Penis hair
>>287045777>RhadaKanonBased fujoanon
>>287048224Maaya Sakamoto > Nana Mizuki
>>286996496>The plot is way more interesting than other shonen from that time.I can't believe anyone would seriously say this when even Saint Seiya fans complain about how much he recycles arcs
>>287036044Care to prove it wrong?
>>287048227>See an attractive woman>Think on penisTypical SSfag
>>287047957The only way to adapt Saint Seiya for a US audience is to take the basic premise and do an original story with original characters instead of trying to rehash the manga.
>>287048025>Literally goth athena
>>287047957Don’t follow trends and don’t add an army. It’s so simple
>>287049894Goths weren’t a thing back then
Saint Seiya can only be consumed if it is your baby's first anime
>>287052460A lot of anime was available in France, Spain, Italy and Latin America
>>287052937SSfags don't know when to give up.
>>287032051>french comicHe's less canonical than fucking Episode G
>>287053543Jealous?
>>287047957All Toei wants to do is give the Americans shonen out of the best of their heart, and the ungrateful Americans just don't care but want their Seiya for free! They get nothing!- what Twitter brainlets really believe
>>287043116Probably whenever the NDA is up, Tomek the Polack claimed he himself would have a lot to say about the highs and lows of production but couldn't until then.
>>287055762Does someone even care about the live action? For Toei is probably a bad memory and they want to forget all about it. Also I really doubt Baginski will ever work for Toei again
>>287056182Yeah if anything he seems busy with the shitty Witcher show. Was just another Tuesday for him.
Toei's attempts at bringing back Saint Seiya came at the wrong time. Omega, Soul of Gold or even Santia Sho would've been much better by the current Toei that actually takes shit seriously.
>>287056287The only person in the entire set with a vague knowledge about Saint Seiya was Diego Tinoco (Nero)
>>287056443Saint Seiya just needed a 2D remake made in Japan loyal to the manga. They could make some changes for the pacing but nothing too drastic like LoS turning Seiya into a Naruto wannabe. The potential is there but Toei just doesn't trust SS and the execs are stuck in pre-2000s
>>287056494Problem with that is they might make it cel shaded 3D slop or something else of those trends these days.
>>287056494>>287056634Because they mad all those shows and the 3D remake at a bad time. But look at the stuff they've done since: saved One Piece production, made the best looking DB movie in Broly, Daima was dumb but the production values were great, both Ghost Game and Beatbreak are the best animated Digimon shows by far, they did the great Adventure of Dai remake, they made the 2nd and 3rd seasons of World Trigger actually good after the disastrous ugly 1st season and are actually going back to properly re-adapt the manga. Current Toei is a different beast from that period of time where they were just shitting out mid slop and ugly OP/DB/etc. episodes.
>>287056776Toei lost 60$ millions in the live action. I doubt they want to touch SS again
>>287056813Yeah, that's why I said their attempts came at a wrong time. It's a shame because if we didn't get that many misguided flops they would probably bring it back more interestingly or at least with a proper remake. But this wasn't unique to Saint Seiya, DB Super's first 3 arcs were shat on for how ugly they looked, and Sailor Moon Crystal was also a mess.
>>287056838At least Super was popular, even if many fans see it negatively these days. Toriyama got a free pass for a myriad of reasons but his decisions in his last years were debatable at best.
>>287056443reminder that the Toriko anime was so painfully bad and flopped that Toei was blacklisted from adapting WSJ manga ever again(with the exception of World Trigger but no one cares for that)
>>287057171Toriko never had a chance. It only got hope because the author and Oda molest children together
>>287057281>never had a chanceIt almost got adapted by Ufotable. The same studio that made Demon Slayer go from an obscure manga that no one gives a damn about to a global phenomenon.
>>287053577As a fan I really don't understand what is there to be jealous ofwhy would anybody with the largest collection of anything would like they "officially" retconned a character into being a gary stu that is literally me (a collector in fucking PERU)Mad? a littleJealous? hell no
>Why isn’t saint seiya as popular in north america as it is in south americaMexico is in North America.
>>287056494I'd bet anything that in the '80s the creative team behind the Saint Seiya animation did the exact opposite of what Qurumada proposed, just like what happened with Tenkai-hen.>remake made in Japan loyal to the mangaAnd they say I'm the one who hates Saint Seiya.
>>287056494The main problem is that you never know how long the Heaven Arc will take. Next Dimension took 18 years. To make a whole adaptation only to be left in limbo for 10 years again makes no sense.Once the Heaven Arc is entering its final stages they should do what they are doing with Captain Tsubasa. A few episodes cours, no filler, straight to the point.
>>287056813Are they retarded? I thought all losses went to Hollywood. It was obvious it was going to be a flop, why the fuck would they invest on it?
>>287056927Super was all weeks in the top 10 anime shows. Sometimes even above One Piece. It was extremely popular, and not only in Japan.
>>287048673Respectable, but Nana is number 1 for me.
>>287059001Wonder if we'll ever see Seika again, since Kurumada made such a big deal about her not being in the Tenkai-hen movie
>>286996810The last attempts at dubbing the whole show while actually finishing this time, added quips and modern talk as well, and needless swearing on the Crunchyroll version. Don't know if they dubbed Hades.The IP is cursed, but NOT by itself.
>>287060846The dub is also inconsistent as fuck about whether to use "Armor" or "Cloth", or "Saints" vs. "Knights". After ep.42, they had to exclusively use "Armor" and "Knights" to fit the CGIslop show, but even before that you'd get episodes where they'd say one term in one line, and the other in another in the same damn scene.Toei also mandated they use weird misnomers like "Whale Morris" like the CGI show, instead of "Moses". There were also some audio glitches and misplaced lines.
>>287058257Those who enjoyed the Araki/Himeno designs or Koyama's writing would not be keen on that. Plus, you get the wrong director or writers with skewed priorities and you get something like the first two Sailor Moon Crystal seasons where they can't decide if they want to faithfully adapt manga chapters or change shit up, and it creates plot holes along with the bad animation.
>>287003719Dragonball had god awful stupid comedy, early Dragonball was just More Dr.Slumo but as an action comedy, and even so Toriyama just couldn't let it go.
>>287007472>That doesn't happen in the manga btw
>>287022792You missed a spot>The TMNT87 producers did an American pilot.
>>287023464The old one was a more blatant Seiya ripoff
>>287060889Not many people documents this, thanks
>>287061124The earliest episodes also have a translation error where they claim there are 12 Bronze Cloths for the 12 signs of the zodiac. That's...more like the Golds.And no, Hades hasn't been dubbed since the OVAs are a separate license from the TV show. Maybe if someone does a CGI version of Hades (never), Toei will want to foot the bill for a dub of the OVAs. The Sentai Filmworks dub was only commissioned as a cross-promotional thing for the CGI show, otherwise Trollei wouldn't have bothered. It was a rush job dub too, but Netflix just lagged in releasing the episodes.
>>287061029Right, the Fred Wolf Films cartoon seems to still be an enigma in some ways. If Raymona hadn't gotten a copy of it under the mistake it was related to the Toonmakers Sailor Moon, it'd still be pretty unknown. Then you got StarStorm, which was only a 7 minute proof of concept trailer. You'll notice that even though Renaissance-Atlantic registered trademarks for terms like "Pegasus" and "Andromeda" for it, they changed the Cloth names by production maybe as a way to try to distance it from Seiya amid tension with Bandai and Toei.
>>287061038The Samurai Troopers production history is a real trip and a half itself. It was a fusion of two rejected anime pitches involving armor, one which had young men fight it out in a tournament called "Battle Cry".The result still involved a tournament and it took place on a fictional planet, but sponsors and those higher up in the chain at Sunrise nuked the "outer space" and tournament arc beginning ideas to get something a little more specific to Japan.
>>287020208shitskin coping, indians have the same ydna as slavics,stop crying popjeeeeeeeet
>>2869964961/2The interesting thing about SS, more than the plot, is the worldbuilding.Of course, the idea of greek gods reincarnating and being assisted by random underlings with powers based on the constellations, which affects both their techniques and their different kinds of armors (clothes, marinas, surplices, etc.).Then there's also the fact that the bronze saints are orphans. They are society's trash. There's absolutely nothing beneath them, they are the bottom. Yet they are ultimately the ones that are enlightened and fight to protect Athena against the elites. They fight the silvers first, and then they fight (first against and afterwards together with) the gold saints. They fight against corruption in the system, and then they fight the gods, the system itself. The boys who were nothing ultimately, through struggle, effort, sacrifice and conviction become the elite, on par with gods. The orphans no one gave a shit about ultimately become the saviors. That's something that Lost Canvas didn't get, btw, it was pure gold saints wank with a Pegasus saint thrown in because the author couldn't avoid it, if it's Saint Seiya there HAS to be a Pegasus.And against them in the first arc you have a hierarchical institution like the jedi or the Vatican that was corrupted because the head of it was evil. Each of the gold saints become interesting not because they have some gay anecdote about wanting to belong when they were kids, but because of how they react against the corruption. Some (Deathmask, Aphrodite) know it and take part on it, some (Milo, Aioria) are too stupid to notice what's going on, some (Shaka, Camus) for different reasons don't care, some (Aldebaran) smell that something's off but they don't know what exactly. What defines them as characters isn't their shitty past, but what they do about the Sanctuary's corruption.
>>2869964962/2That whole concept of a few guys from the bottom tier being persecuted by the organization because they fight against the corrupt system is something that happens a lot in many later manga, from Bleach to Jujutsu Kaisen. And usually a few of the upper classes that know what's going on and/or aren't corrupt help them, but not enough to get completely involved, the fight is left to the main characters mostly.The plot, on the other hand, is quite repetitive. That's the issue a lot of people have with it. And the filler didn't help at all.The problem with SS is that it should've finished back in the early 90s. No ND, which was ridiculous. Just Tenkai right after Hades. Had he done that, the repetition wouldn't have hurt so much, at least respecting the manga. OK, it would be the 4th time they did it, but at least it would've served the history. First Athena had to claim her place, then she had to face the other gods. Poseidon, Hades, Zeus, that's it, end of the story. A little bit repetitive, but cohesive.The problem is that they did a lot of unnecessary spinoffs, starting with the Asgard saga. Which could've been fine if they developed another ideas for the plot. But it's always the same. Not only Asgard, but also most of the OVAs, Lost Canvas, Omega, Soul of Gold, Next Dimension. At one point or another they default to some kind of 12 temples fight, even when it begins differently. So it's inevitable that it will feel like it dragged out A LOT (like this post kek).tldr Saint Seiya was a great idea with awesome worldbuilding, but it dragged so long and the same formula was used so many fucking times that of course everyone will say that the plot is repetitive and, after seeing it so many times, boring.
>>287045577>>287048224What a hottie, really liked her and her anime, my fav SS piece alongside the original show. The only thing I didn't like is that she didn't show much in the second season.
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