No.
Best canon shonen couple
>>287052994The manga treats it as a total joke and hinges entirely on her wanting Sasuke's acknowledgment, which, you know, is not a great reason to like someone since it has nothing to do with the actual character and is thus a red herring. There's a reason Sakura says Naruto does not understand anything about her back in chapter 3, and it's because this ends up being true for the entirety of the series. Meanwhile with Hinata, he grows to like her *as a person* and relates/understands her on a deep level.
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Smells like jam in this thread.
>>287054432That's one fat baby.
>>287053940Everything after 450 should be treated as noncanon.
>>287055730What makes that part uniquely bad in your opinion?
>>287055761it turned into war arc bullshit with everyone being retarded and out of character
Pathetic thread. After sharty threads used to have life. Fagkon really did kill this daily
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>Raikage-sama, please don't kill sasuke!>He's my...."friend" and I don't want konoha and the cloud village to go to war!>I mean danzo already gave the ok to kill sauce but many people in konoha still think what you're doing is wrong!>.....actually only sakura and I would want revenge for sasuke's death and she's useless>so if we're being honest please don't kill sasuke or else I'll lose control of my emotions and kill everyone in the cloud village>.....ok I might have made a point of not doing that when pain destroyed most of konoha, killed kakashi and almost killed hinata right in front of me but uchiha cock tastes so good dipped in ramen broth! This is absolute trash. People should be ashamed for taking this shit even remotely seriously. Especially the subhuman shippers who argue about which girl the closeted foxfag should make his beard.
>>287056169I won't defend war arc garbage, but it's kinda bullshit and retarded before that already.
>>287056201Eat s-shit...!
>>287056360Shikamaru clearly lays it out in a previous chapter, he said if Sasuke were to be killed by cloud ninja Naruto wouldn't take it laying down and if Naruto was killed Shikamaru & Choji would want revenge and if Shikamaru & Choji were killed that would enrage Shikaku & Choza etc. And the best part of Naruto confronting Raikage is Yamato reminding the Raikage about that bullshit they did where they tried to kidnap Hinata and then Neji's dad died to avoid war, Kishimoto dropped that piece of lore like 400 chapters ago it was good that he or his editor remembered to bring it up
>>287056662Shikamaru was talking about Ino getting herself killed, not Naruto.
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>>287056662This. Raikage is being very inflexible for someone who got a pass from the Leaf for a much worse violation in the past. It's meant to be a show of how some people are just cunts and Naruto's diplomacy isn't going to work as easily (which is deemed irrelevant after everyone has to join forces to fight World War Obito)
>>287056662>>287056852So what would they do go off by themselves and start indiscriminately killing cloud ninja without sanction from konoha because of naruto's suicidal homolust? Start a war because of sasuke whom all of 2 people in the village really care about? Just because another character also says something incredibly stupid doesn't mean the first bit of idiocy gets a pass.>>287056909>for a much worse violation in the pastI think joining up with orochimaru who had just orchestrated an attack on konoha and killed hiruzen, trying to kill other konoha shinobi multiple times, joining a terrorist organization who had just killed most of the other nations' jinjuriki and directly attacking killer bee is a little more serious than wanting worthless jobber eyes.
>>287056852>please don't come after our criminal that attacked your village, so we don't have to start a war by taking revenge for himTruly the paragons of virtue.
>>287057179And sasuke was literally on his way to konoha to kill everyone and only stopped because obito lied and said pain did it. But he's still a gud boi worth sacrificing hundreds of lives for.
>>287056662>Yamato reminding the Raikage about that bullshit they did where they tried to kidnap Hinata and then Neji's dad died to avoid warIt's funny how the raikage just completely ignored that very sensible argument, brushing it off as "UHHH BUT THE SHINOBI WORLD IS RULED BY STRENGTH WE JUST DID WHAT EVERYONE DOES WE DINDU NUFFIN"
>>287057267I mean, is he wrong? Any village not trying to secure powerful kekkei genkai for themselves was foolish.
>>287057295The point is that they owe Konoha one
>>287057329Not really, the Raikage made Hiruzen cuck out like a bitch.Sure he didn't get the Byakugan like he wanted, but he still made Hiruzen give over a Konoha shinobi to be killed, and not a single leaf shinobi did anything to prevent it.
>>287057178>joining up with orochimaru who had just orchestrated an attack on konoha and killed hiruzen, trying to kill other konoha shinobi multiple timesThose are all offences to Konoha. Not the Raikage's problem in any capacity.Sasuke's attack on Bee is just crime. Maybe terrorism if you try to push it far, but as far as Kumo is concerned they were attacked by a rogue ninja linked do a criminal organisation. The Hyuga incident was caused by Kumo ninja taking advantage of peace talks with the full knowledge and support of the Raikage. AND he refused to apologise while demanding for the Hyuga who acted in self-defence to be sacrificed.>some international criminal tries to kidnap a citizen from your countryvs>military from an enemy state abuses peace talks truce to try to kidnap a citizen from your country, they get caught, the leader of the enemy country not only refuses to apologise but demands for your soldier who got his men to be executed
>>287056852Which chapter is that?
>>287057178well when cloud village thought bee was kidnapped they went to the leaf and started questioning people, which eventually caused a fight. so you can see in the actual story what might happen if sasuke was killedand>>287057179so let me get this straight, the cloud village uses a peaceful diplomatic visit to the leaf village as a way to kidnap a 4-5 year old girl and when their agent gets killed by the dad of the girl they demand the corpse of the dad or they'll start a war. but oh yeah naruto is the one being unreasonable lol
>>287057362>so let me get this straight, the cloud village uses a peaceful diplomatic visit to the leaf village as a way to kidnap a 4-5 year old girl and when their agent gets killed by the dad of the girl they demand the corpse of the dad or they'll start a war. but oh yeah naruto is the one being unreasonable lolNaruto is the one supposedly breaking the cycle of hatred, yet all he's doing is begging others to do it for him, while threatening bloody revenge if they don't.Bringing up an incident from 10 years ago when a different Raikage rules is the pettiest thing they could possibly do in this situation.
>>287057267In the real world, politicians don't mind being greedy hypocrites. Obviously he's not going to say "I just care about getting ahead you Konoha cuck" outright but that's pretty much the deeper meaning.
Oh, and also the Cloud Ninja that actually tried to kidnap Hinata WAS killed.
>>287056201Shiho and Hidansis, those were the days..
>>287057295>>287057355There's nothing stopping Konoha from erasing Kumo from the map btw. Their only remaining nuke is MIA, Raikage almost kills himself trying to kill Jobsuke in a few chapters, and the rest of their ninja are honestly all pretty weak. Kumo is in fact so shit they didn't manage to track or kill the two weakest Akatsuki members who had just taken Yugito. If strength alone is what's important, he should be the one begging Naruto to spare his village from becoming history like the Land of Woods.
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>>287057357>Those are all offences to Konoha.So why would "konoha" the village care enough about sasuke to go to war over him when he's a terrorist working directly against them?
>>287056360>>287056662The problem is that Kishimoto focuses too much on the "cycle of hatred" and not enough on logic. For example, the problem with Amegakure started because Konohagakure and other larger villages moved into Amegakure to use it as a proxy battlefield against one another and to extract its resources.That destroyed Ame and left it destitute, and its Kage, who was presumably a puppet leader who allowed the occupation to continue because he personally profited, was eventually overthrown by a populist insurgent who had been given access to some advanced weaponry (the Rinnegan). That insurgent held a grudge against Konohagakure for obvious reasons, and took revenge because the revenge instinct conveys a survival advantage: if you kill the person who killed people you love, then they won't be able to kill anyone else you love, and if you predict their loved ones will avenge them then you should also kill them preemptively.That means the cycle starts with exploitation and greed, not hatred. Ignoring that crucial point eliminates the possibility of conflict resolution. Konohagakure's leaders were in the wrong at the beginning, which means "everyone just stop fighting now" is not an appropriate solution. In order to properly make peace, the history of the conflict tracing back to its origin needed to be written out and the initial perpetrators needed to be brought to justice.In addition to that, Konohagakure's leaders needed to promptly issue a formal acknowledgement of wrongdoing, a formal apology to Amegakure's people, and start the process of officially making amends, followed by set terms of reparations via investment in infrastructure and rebuilding Amegakure to a position of equal or greater status than they had been before. Leaders and militaries of both countries also needed to acknowledge their wrongs in oppressing people lower in their own hierarchies and committing violence against innocent civilians.
>>287057478And then B comes back and Konoha gets flattened instead. (not to mention this is irrelevant to Naruto supposedly trying to break the cycle of hatred)
>>287057539>Konohagakure's leaders needed to promptly issue a formal acknowledgement of wrongdoing, a formal apology to Amegakure's people, and start the process of officially making amendslollmao, evenNo, we won't apologize for our war crimes. Only losers do that.
>>287057528That's not the Raikage's problem and is irrelevant to the matter at hand. Konoha gave Kumo a pass and in fact had to sacrifice its own kind over a state-sanctioned offence in the past, and the Raikage not only stands irreductible on killing Sasuke but refuses to apologise for the Hyuga incident while going on a discourse about strength that stands on very frail legs.Naruto didn't threaten anyone or even say Kumo ninja don't have a reason to be upset. He offered help to find B and sympathises with them. He's begging not because he and Konoha wouldn't have the strength to oppose Kumo, but because he values peace between the two nations.
>>287057539>In order to properly make peace, the history of the conflict tracing back to its origin needed to be written out and the initial perpetrators needed to be brought to justice.Reminds me of how Nagato knows who Danzo is and what he did and he does nothing about it.
>>287057622If he values peace between the two nations he should not try to stop Kumo from eliminating a criminal missing nin (or demand apologies for an incident that was settled 10 years ago for that matter).
>>287055118Hinata ate twice during pregnancy
>>287057622What's irrelevant is naruto groveling to raikage in the first place. He wasn't the one who officially declared sauce a rogue ninja. Of all the people he should've appealed to was danzo but kishi was adamant that they never speak a single fucking word to each other when it makes no sense. >but because he values peace between the two nations.The only thing naruto values is sasuke's cock in his asshole.
>>287057403>is the pettiest thinghow is that petty at all, that is a massive betrayal by the cloud village. the magnitude of how evil it was can't be understated they used a peaceful visit to kidnap a child and pluck out her eyes, and then demand the corpse of her dad for defending her lmfao. and the current raikage was the raikage back then we know that because we know the previous raikage, his dad, was killed during the third ninja war which happened when Kakashi was a kid. and the agent may have died but the implication is that it was his mission by the Raikage and he never denies that. they can't really act holier-than-thou>yet all he's doing is begging others to do it for himpeace will always involve talking, but obviously Naruto is suppose to look desperate and delusional this is the arc where he has a panic attack rememberand you could interpret Naruto's dialogue differently, does that panel really read as Naruto admitting he would attack them if they killed Sasuke
>>287057539The problem is that shinobi villages are so deeply entrenched into the strategic and economic workings of nations that it is indispensible to seek to gain more strength in order to protect your nation. Even if he didn't get corrupted by Danzo, Hanzo's plan was basically turning Ame into a strong and impenetrable military dictatorship. And it just so happens that one of the most effective ways for a village to strengthen itself is by doing more missions and getting more commissions. In other words, the busier the military the stronger the village and the safer the nation.In the Naruto world, shinobi villages aren't standing armies maintained by regular taxes like real world militaries but rather military city-states that run on commissions. Konoha can't sit idly and in peace while they keep getting an influx of Fire Nation taxes to train and arm themselves without doing anything. To get stronger, they have to be fighting.There's a reason why so much of the critique is directed at the "shinobi world". Not philosophically or strategically, but economically, the shinobi system wouldn't exist without continued conflict. This is what Nagato talked about.The real solution would start by abolishing the shinobi system and adopting a modern, tax-funded military system over a commission-based one.
>>287057763Kumo is not trying to be holier-than-though, only Naruto is. It's petty because the incident has been settled for 10 years. In favor of Kumo.
>>287057539Calling it the "Cycle of Hatred" is very childish and silly but I suppose "Cycle of Geopolitical Exploitation and Great Power Theory" doesn't sound as pithy for a shonen rag read by tweens.
>>287056360>>287056662>>287057539In the situation with Sasuke, they need to get together and first figure out 1. What is happening. and 2.) Why it is happening before they can even begin to discuss who should be doing what. The Kage are literally there for a summit to discuss the matter and decide what to do.In my opinion, proper diplomacy would have looked something like follows:"Hello, I'm Uzumaki Naruto, the son of the Third Hokage Namikaze Minato and the Leaf village's jinchuuriki. I heard about your brother, I'm sorry that he has been captured but there's something you need to know: he may actually still be alive.""Konohagakure and Sunagakure both have extensive experience in fighting the Akatsuki, I personally helped shinobi of both villages lead a mission to rescue the current Kazekage from them after he was kidnapped. The fact that he's alive today and even leading the Sand village means there is hope for your brother.""The Akatsuki don't kill jinchuuriki right away, they need time to extract their bijuu. And that time will be increased now that they have fewer members. We've killed three, and Sasuke had killed another two. I don't know what's going on in Sasuke's mind, but he's a good friend of mine and I have faith in him. When we went to rescue him after he was kidnapped by Orochimaru, he seemed to be under some kind of influence, but he ended up killing Orochimaru and releasing his prisoners. Sasuke may not be acting of his own volition here as well, and questioning him may be instrumental to saving your brother.""Therefore, I'm proposing a deal to you. I offer my and my comrades' help in tracking down Killer Bee and rescuing him from the Akatsuki. In return, I want you to withhold judgement on getting vengeance against Sasuke. If we rescue Killer Bee alive, let Konohagakure deal with Sasuke. If we don't, we should talk about it then."
>>287057763>picseriously, how tf did we used to read those ongoing scans.well as a teen you just eat anything, still......
>>287057866was it really that settled, all that happened was the leaf sucked it up and executed the "dad." saying they could suck it up and let us deal with Sasuke is a pretty reasonable argument to be honest considering the history there
>>287057571That's how you get endless wars of attrition.>>287057627The fact that nobody says anything about Danzo even before he starts being able to spam Kotoamatsukami is a huge plot hole. Itachi threatens Danzo with leaking intel to the Akatsuki but doesn't make any more moves against him. Team 7 learns he committed high treason by selling out ANBU identities to Orochimaru and inciting him to attack the village, trying to extra-judicially assassinate Sasuke against the Hokage's orders, and planting operatives in the Hokage's peronal guard, and don't tell Tsunade.
>>287057996>in the past we have demonstrated weakness by cucking out to you>now it's time to pay us back by compromising your village's position and cucking out to us>no
>>287058039Also Naruto knows that Danzo had a hand in creating Pain's version of the Akatsuki.
>>287057861That itself is a problem because they have superpowers and no reason to obey the Daimyo. The economy only functions the way it does because the shinobi are obedient to rich civilian landowners without reason. During the warring states era, superhumans who were capable of walking on water and easily controlling civilians' minds threw their own children onto the battlefield like cannon fodder to get handouts from them instead of seizing power. Kishimoto wanted to be able to model it on Japanese society without having the Daimyo gain any legitimacy from associating with a royal family, and worse than that he made it so only the shinobi themselves could be considered analogous to the royal family because Kaguya is the closest thing Naruto has to Amaterasu.Then he mixed in the kind of modern post-firearm child soldier warfare exhibited by low-trust and low-organization societies in regions like Africa, and alphabet soup agencies that only arise from high-tech civilizations built on massive economies of scale. Gato was introduced as one of the richest men on the planet, but as a civilian and a fool who only had a couple of crap shot guards who were no match for a single 14-year-old boy, and personally came to supervise a small army of civilian farmers picking off Zabuza only for Zabuza to mow through them and chop off his head. The whole economy thing doesn't work when the shinobi have no reason to be beholden to doings missions for commissions.
Konoha is a nightmare politically and their only saving grace was Hashirama being a master of negotiation and being able to secure so many great bloodlines to keep it from total collapse.
>>287057969>I heard about your brother, I'm sorry that he has been captured but there's something you need to know: he may actually still be alive>The Akatsuki don't kill jinchuuriki right away, they need time to extract their bijuu>I offer my and my comrades' help in tracking down Killer Bee and rescuing him from the AkatsukiNaruto said all this to Karui and Darui onscreen. While part of their conversation after Naruto convinced them to talk to him alone was omitted in the manga, it's safe to say he told them of his encounters with the Akatsuki and that Konoha has experience fighting them. Naruto's conversation with them was going alright until Karui pressed him on info about Sasuke (after discussing the Akatsuki) and Naruto refused to tell them. Darui tries to rush everyone into looking for B, but Samui says they should relay the information and get help instead. It's safe to say that the trio has informed the Raikage of the new information Naruto has just shared with them too for obvious reasons.Naruto made every possible gesture of goodwill towards Kumo and even made himself available to help save B. The Raikage just didn't care.
>>287058208You mean in anime filler? I don't remember seeing that in the manga.Regardless, Ay is clearly not someone who feels sympathetic to other people's plights, so they should have approached him from a position of strength and used status and strategy to maneuver him into cooperating. Like someone else pointed out, Naruto letting himself get beaten black and blue and bowing to them with his face pressed into the ground and tears running down his face was literally the exact opposite of what he should have done, when faced with a ruthless enemy who tried to kidnap the girl he (supposedly) loves in the middle of peace talks and only understands violence.>Naruto made every possible gesture of goodwill towards KumoIt's not about gestures, gestures were obviously useless as Hiruzen had tried that and it did absolutely nothing. It's about political advantage and utility. He should have displayed his status, gotten Gaara on board, emphasized his skill and experience, and made his help contingent on Ay agreeing to reserve judgement on Sasuke. It still wouldn't have helped when Sasuke showed up at the Summit guns blazing, but Naruto didn't know that was going to happen.
>>287058202>During the warring states era, superhumans who were capable of walking on water and easily controlling civilians' minds threw their own children onto the battlefield like cannon fodder to get handouts from them instead of seizing power.It was especially absurd with hashirama and madara. These were the two most powerful shinobi ever who could solo everyone on the planet with just their ballsacks but for some reason were willing to watch their friends and families die in pointless battles for the benefit of powerless geriatrics who break their hips from standing up too quickly. Kishi's worldbuilding is bad on almost every level.>>287058208I like how you're still trying to present naruto begging for sasuke's life as being reasonable when we've all seen how one-sided their relationship is. Groveling for a guy who tried to kill you on 3 separate occasions because he smiled to you once as a 9 year old is insane. It's total lunacy. And expecting all of konoha to throw themselves into a horrible war because of said edge lord and his crazy simps is morally repugnant. My opnion of nardo has reached rock bottom and the story would've been better if he had died of a heart attack here while pissing his pants.
>>287057910Just don't come up with a reductionist catchphrase to begin with though. Kishimoto expanded Sasuke's personal quest for vengeance (which was entirely legitimate) into a geopolitical issue because he wanted to make his and Naruto's rivalry into the centerpiece of the story when it really shouldn't have been.He retconned the Uchiha clan and Senju clan into the story as millennia-old enemies to make their rivalry relevant to Naruto's conflict with the major villains, and tried to canonize it into a black-and-white theme of Naruto supposedly standing for forgiveness and light and Sasuke for hatred and darkness. All of the forced equivocation between Sasuke and villains like Orochimaru, Obito, Nagato, Madara, etc. came from that attempt.Why does Nagato need to have a tragic backstory with his parents being killed by Konoha shinobi, and Amegakure be a victim of Konohagakure's greed, for Nagato to want to blow Konohagakure up? Moreover, why does any of that need to be the case for the Akatsuki to want to hunt down and seal the bijuu?All of it came initially from Naruto = good and Sasuke = bad. Therefore, Naruto's goal = good, and Sasuke's goal = bad.
>>287058639Yes it was so painfully absurd. Kishimoto made it even worse by creating the Land of Iron and emphasizing that they were the only nation that maintained a standing army of non-shinobi.
She would've brought peace by killing Sasuke if he was sent after her without any drama.
>>287058491>You mean in anime filler?No, in the manga. In the chapters right before this one. The entire Samui squad is aware that Naruto wants to help them, but Karui is too upset and Samui is being careful as she doesn't want to walk onto the Akatsuki unprepared and doesn't know what Naruto could be up to.>Ay is clearly not someone who feels sympathetic to other people's plights, so they should have approached him from a position of strength and used status and strategy to maneuver him into cooperatingTrue. But Naruto doesn't know him and was sympathetic to Kumo's rightful feelings towards Sasuke, hence the conciliatory tone. Even if Samui told the Raikage what she learnt in her short time in the village, that Naruto just defeated the presumed Akatsuki leader, I don't think A would've thought "oh shit this blonde is the real deal maybe we should spare his friend" anyway. As we'll see in the next chapter, A is stubborn enough to refuse collaboration against the Akatsuki until he loses his two jinchuurikis and shit hits the fan. There wasn't really anything Naruto could've done here.>>287058639>you're still trying to present naruto begging for sasuke's life as being reasonable That's not the point. The thing is that Kumo and the Raikage have proven themselves to be irreductible and undiplomatic to a fault. There's nothing admirable about the Raikage's stance here, and it's this exact lack of willingness to listen or compromise that led Kumo, Kiri and Iwa to the situation they're in. The next chapter starts with Gaara stating that he has repeatedly tried to get the other villages to work against the Akatsuki and only Konoha joined in. The Raikage isn't a realist or a grounded pragmatic guy, he's dumb and stubborn.
>>287059666Forgot to add all the moments in which Naruto said he wanted to help save B (who, as far as they all know, is having his soul sucked by a demon statue as they speak)
>>287059666>The next chapter starts with Gaara stating that he has repeatedly tried to get the other villages to work against the Akatsuki and only Konoha joined inIt's obviously just something Kishi added after the fact without thinking about it, but that makes A so fucking stupid.>our jinchuriki has been captured by the organization the Kazekage has warned us about and offered to cooperate against>let's do.... nothing
>>287059254She would have RAPED by Sasuke, CHUDgetsu and Jugo.
What caused the fight?
I hate naruto's haircut, i hate the last, i hate boruto, i hate naruhina.
>>287059728We spent the whole manga seeing things from the Konoha POV so we joke about their shit politics and call the titty cow incompetent, but the more you think about the other villages the more you see Konoha and Suna are the only villages that aren't made up of drooling retards from top to bottom. The Akatsuki's plan only works because three out of the five kage are complete idiots.Remember that when Hidan and Kakuzu killed a and a jonin there was HELL TO PAY. Konoha tracked them down and killed the two before they could even leave the Land of Fire. And they didn't even need to send all of their best.Meanwhile they were able to capture a completely unprotected and unassisted Yugito, take her away and leave without ever being confronted by any Kumo shinobi. I bet they didn't even miss her until two weeks after.
>>287059666No I just checked, in 453 he jumps straight from "He might be alive," to "I'll help you guys find him, I'll tell you everything I know about the Akatsuki."Bro does not know how to barter, he just offers it up freely before he even knows what their agenda is. Then he lets Karui lay hands on him before they even get to talking about Sasuke.Naruto holds no responsibility for Sasuke's actions at this point. Sasuke is a missing nin. He's not a Konoha shinobi. Imagine if Naruto rolled up on the Kage Summit and laid hands on Chojuro because Kisame came after him, that's what Karui is doing.>Even if Samui told the Raikage what she learnt in her short time in the village, that Naruto just defeated the presumed Akatsuki leader, I don't think A would've thought "oh shit this blonde is the real deal maybe we should spare his friend" anyway.Well maybe not, but there certainly wasn't a chance of it anymore, because Naruto just gave them all the intel he had on Killer Bee and threw away all of his bargaining chips. The point isn't to impress them, it's to leverage his advantages against them to coerce them into behaving the way he wants them to.
>>287060109Naruto wants to achieve mutual understanding through sincere and transparent cooperation. He promised to Nagato he would build a world where people could understand each other et cetera....until Shikamaru says fuck that and decides Konoha has the right to keep peace by force as the global hegemon because why the fuck not in Shikamaru Shinden. So I guess the novel vindicates your reasoning.
>>287059819I'm gonna assume you meant to not type "by", since they have no defense against her biju level firepower. Sasuke's only hope would be getting a lucky Amaterasu and pray it works.>>287059996I do point out how retarded this is. Kishi created a world-wide crisis in part 2, but then couldn't be bothered to actually discover the world or even involve it. Then he widens the scale even more, while the scale of involved characters shrinks even more toward Konoha. Instead of an organization of missing nin from all over the world, even the villains revert to "Kakashi's old buddy", "Orochimaru's retainer" and "The founder of Konoha".It's sad, because during the first arc he was kinda trying, by having Chiyo involved as capable ninja from Suna (though it's still retarded Gaara is their Kage, nobody can stop Deidara from just flying in and taking him and their stronges Kazekage of all time is only introduced to become a puppet of Sasori). Then in the second (third) arc it seems intially that he'll keep introducing relevant ninja from around the world, as he introduces the first fully trained jinchuriki that's at jonin level and can freely transform (other jinchuriki were completely offscreened so far), but actually just has her job offscreen and then die with zero attempts at rescue. It's kinda bizzarre, because the entire scene feels pointless, with how Hidan and Kakuzu are already built up by having the monk job to them.
>>287059666>>287060109The point is that you can't come out of the gate from a place of goodwill and freely sharing information when dealing with unknowns and people who are immediately hostile.He may sympathize with them and he may even not know that they are unrepentant about trying to kidnap Hinata (seeing as nobody communicates), but that doesn't mean he was making the right call by telling him everything he knew about the Akatsuki then letting them beat the shit out of them while begging them to spare Sasuke.>>287060317The capacity for a society to achieve "mutual understanding through sincere and transparent cooperation" is contingent on the dispositions and maturity of the people making up that society.You cannot resolve conflicts with born psychopaths through goodwill.
>>287056662I dunno based on what I have seen Samui will pump and dump men after using them. Cloud are like high maintenance
>>287057478I find Sasuke to be the person who would fight the Raikage with taijutsu. This is the same genius who pile drive a snake man off the branch of a tree,, pile drive his friend off the summit of a mountain, barreled straight into Gaara before using chidori. Kishimoto got hell bent on making him into Vegeta but nothing Sasuke does comes close to slaughter
>>287057969Good post. Anon can solve a war or two
>>287057969but we have to see the Sharingan battle between Danzo and Sasuke, it's very important y'know
>>287057763Seriously, it's astounding to me that Ay as a character exists and isn't villainized for what he's done but made to look cool at every possible moment. And Hyuga never get their closure.
>>287063513Hyugas literally feel like filler at this point, they were created for a fight and then stayed in the background, the entire world revolves around the Uchiha
>>287063815I think Kishi put the Hyugas out of focus/write them out not precisely because they're comparatively weak, but rather the opposite: because they were written as too powerful and their abilities are a tension breaker. Neji (and the rest of Team Guy, for that matter) is sidelined in the Rescue Gaara arc because Kisame and Sasori would get stomped if they had to fight the whole team in addition to Guy and Sakura/Chiyo respectively. Pain had to one-shot Hinata without taking a single blow because she would have one-shot him too, due to the Paths of Pain being puppets remote-controlled through chakra receivers that Gentle Fist can disrupt. And there's Neji and Hiashi using Kaiten to block a tail punch from the Ten Tails (who, mind you, is big enough to hold Bijuu like Gyuki in one hand), forcing Obito to engineer a situation to remove Neji from the fight immediately. Because the Ten Tails couldn't threaten the Alliance while he was still around.Well, that and Kishi's Sasuke/Uchiha boner sucking out the life of nearly everything else.
>>287063982>because they were written as too powerful and their abilities are a tension breakerthe Sharingan can do whatever the Byakugan does on steroids, there's a reason Danzo and Orochimaru are only after the Sharingan...>Pain had to one-shot Hinata without taking a single blow because she would have one-shot him too, due to the Paths of Pain being puppets remote-controlled through chakra receivers that Gentle Fist can disrupt. no way you believe Gentle Fist is like an anti-chakra field of energy right? 64 works only because it can see the chakra points clearly and hit them
>>287063815>forcing Obito to engineer a situation to remove Neji from the fight immediately. Because the Ten Tails couldn't threaten the Alliance while he was still aroundI mean he couldn't be everywhere at once and Hiashi was the real powerhouse in their clan anyway. Hinata never learning kaiten on the other hand reads like a contrivance Kishi employed to make her needing rescue against some zetsus/trying to shield Naruto from some sticks with her body feasible. But hers is an entirely different issue, jobbing to make Naruto look good.
>>287064225>the Sharingan can do whatever the Byakugan does on steroidsNot quite but only retroactively.>there's a reason Danzo and Orochimaru are only after the Sharingan...Yeah, because the story's deuteragonist is an Uchiha.>no way you believe Gentle Fist is like an anti-chakra field of energy right?That's exactly how it works, though? Gentle Fist functions essentially as an anti-chakra field or an internal disruption mechanism designed to paralyze or neutralize an opponent's chakra flow. It's not exclusive of the 64 Palms.>>287064342>trying to shield Naruto from some sticks with her body feasibleKaiten ain't going to repel shit, Neji says the rotation won't make it. We saw him try to use Kaiten on another branch earlier and it knocked off his forehead protector.
>>287064225>>287064225>the Sharingan can do whatever the Byakugan does on steroids, there's a reason Danzo and Orochimaru are only after the Sharingan...I.e>Kishi's Sasuke/Uchiha boner sucking out the life of nearly everything else
>>287063513At worst Hinata would grow into a mini-Samui with bigger jugs and a cooler demeanor. The Raikage treated Bee and Nii better than the supposed hero and it took milk truck Tsunade to calm A down. He's right Sasuke is a common criminal and not really the star pupil.
>>287053940Mizukage was the hottest MILF in Naruto
>>287065184>MILFshe's never going to be a mother
>>287064225>>287064550Orochimaru has an excuse because he doesn't want to jack a cadet Hyugas and have his brain fried by the head branch. He also wanted a body strong enough to handle sage mode not occular powers. The Sharigan would allow him to copy ninjutsu faster, do research, and experiment in a day.
>>287065184You seriously think she's hotter than Tsunade?
>>287065330Absolutely, Tsunade isn't even top 5
>>287065361You crazy, man. Who is top 5 then?
>>287060514>raped by her biju level firepowershe literally gets genjutsu GG'd because unlike B, she isn't a perfect jinchuriki so Matatabi isn't gonna intervene and break her free
>>287065507KushinaMikoto Mei KurenaiSamuiBonus: Gaara's momYes, I know they're not all moms but fuck it.
>>287057380Nowhere near good looking enough for such an over the top reaction
>>287065662Meh, MILF just means mature anyway, regardless of the 'mother' in the abbreviation.Kushina is underrated hotness.
>>287065167>At worst Hinata would grow into a mini-Samui with bigger jugs and a cooler demeanor.Don't tease my dick like that
Today is Sakura's birthday, say something nice
>>287065617>she literally gets genjutsu GG'dSurely there are many fights where Sasuke won that way, so I could believe it.Also she might be a perfect jinchuriki, or at least at the level where she can break any genjutsu.
>>287066433you need to be friends with your biju for them to want to break you freethe only KNOWN perfect jinchuriki's by the end of Shippuden are B and Naruto, with the only other potential one having been the 3rd Mizukage.
>>287065223> He also wanted a body strong enough to handle sage mode not occular powersUchiha are not particularly known for their robustness though.
>>287065361You're blind nigga.
>>287066496What is your evidence that it's impossible for Yugito to have been a perfect jinchuriki (and kept that fact secret from Danzo)?
>>287066979 Cope harder. That panel alone clears your entire top 5 list.Tsunade’s got the height, the curves, the confidence, AND she’ll split the ground open if you talk back. Mei is “hot”, sure. Tsunade is legacy-tier. Stacked, strong, and actually has presence in every scene she’s in instead of just existing to look pretty.You’re the one who’s blind if you think she’s not at least top 3.
>>287066114She humiliated KEKruto and should've done more of it.
>>287067121'kept a secret from Danzo'yeah sure, Kumogakure kept it a secret somehow but the fucking most paranoid retard village in the entire series, somehow, could not keep it a secret?
>>287067127>Tsunade’s got the heightShe's like 10cm shorter than Mei.
Which Kunoichi has the lewdest moans?
>>287067180>but the fucking most paranoid retard village in the entire series, somehow, could not keep it a secret?Maybe they didn't want to keep it a secret. Letting others know you have a perfect jinchuriki works well for deterrence, but there's no reason to let them know you have two. There's also no reason Kiri should be more able to keep it secret than Kumo anyways though. They're plenty paranoid.It also aligns perfectly with Yugito having used a Biju Bomb during her fight against Hidan and Kakuzu but not using it during the initial trap, because she would've still been trying to hide it.
>>287067282but we didn't see her use a biju bomb, and there was zero reason for her to not use one when Hidan and Kakuzu were coming to kill hera biju bomb would have evaporated them
>>287067193Rin
>>287067361>but we didn't see her use a biju bombThe pattern of destruction on the mountain is literally exactly the same.>there was zero reason for her to not use one when Hidan and Kakuzu were coming to kill herI just explained why, she was trying to keep it secret (maybe she even knew Zetsu was watching).>a biju bomb would have evaporated themThe attack she used also should've destroyed them.
>>287067361Don't reply to someone trying to bump their own aftersharty
>>287067473(maybe she knew zetsu was watching) lollmao even
>>287067596The implication is that her team got ambushed earlier and she lead them to the trap afterwards, so it doesn't seem implausible she'd notice someone else being there.She doesn't need to know for sure someone is watching to have a reason not to use a technique she's keeping secret right away anyways though.
>>287067473Why would she even know who zetsu even is?
>>287067648'the implication is that her team got ambushed earlier'what implication? and yes, it would be hard to notice ZETSU of all people was thereZetsu fucking spied on Madara and Hashirama without them knowing he was there
>>287067127That was literally my point you giant faggot. Are you actually schizophrenic?
>>287067650She could've noticed someone else was there. Either way, she doesn't need to know for sure.>>287067681Why are you quoting like a newfag?>what implication?We see her in the middle of a chase, she tells the two of them "as I thought you're from Akatsuki" and Kakuzu says "Now it's only you" to her.>it would be hard to notice ZETSUMaybe she noticed, maybe she didn't, it doesn't matter. Your getting hung up on the least important point doesn't exactly make it seem like you're in good faith.
>>287064225>the Sharingan can do whatever the Byakugan does on steroidsAh yes, the notorious Uchiha 360° vision hack. >there's a reason Danzo and Orochimaru are only after the Sharingan...And that reason is them wanting ability copying and the reality shifting shenanigans respectively.>no way you believe Gentle Fist is like an anti-chakra field of energyThe lion fists have more AOE and we saw Hyuga one-shotting someone before.>64 works only because it can see the chakra points clearly and hit themIt also seemingly makes you faster. Wouldn't make sense for the opponent to just stand there and take it otherwise.
>>287067778>'Now it's only you.'when the fuck was that said?
>>287068068It's mistranlated in the english version, it's あとはお前だけだ in japanese.
>>287059845I honestly can't imagine them having a real argument. They're both too good and understanding.
chappie>>287070302
OP here; no need to keep thread alive, I know some anon(s) like to bump from pg10 but please use new chapter thread>>287070302(btw it was nice to see so much discussion, made this thread because the double chapter thread seemed to 404 kinda quick)
NATSU NO SORA MI-AGETE SAKENDAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>287071040What's the difference?
>>287071040>I know some anon(s) like to bump from pg10Who would do that?
>>287073123The insanity of it all
>>287073636Right?
>>287075246I don't understand it
>>287053940>Afterparty
