Why don't isekai MCs want to return to their world anymore?
Japan sucks to actually live in.
>>287062200i am kinda surprised by this implication because the top panel is conventional politics while the bottom is mostly "just have a remote area and marry there" maybe that's why so many normies like the top one
>>287062200Let's clear up one misconception.Isekai is reincarnation.If you learned from a fortune-teller that in a past life you lived in Mesopotamia, would you try to return to Mesopotamia?
>>287062200They don't wanna disappoint their grandad.
>>287062299No it isn't Isekai literally means "another world". Whether it's by death or portals, its lumped together
>>287062319That's true but the OP is also lumping reincarnation works into his dumb image and pretending they can leave.
>>287062327Now you're just being a nitpicky retard. Maybe boys all want to off themselves while girls love adventures.
>>287062327Calm down, Ranjeet. It makes sense that if you could reincarnate into another world, you could also possibly reincarnate or teleport back into your original world (especially if magic exists). None of the protagonists are going up or down the cycle of Samsara
i can't imagine any regular woman liking Tanya, there's far too much war autism and (s)he's practically asexual
>>287062226Huh
>>287062200Shit fart online proved you don't need anything but crude wish fulfillment. It all went downhill from there.
You know that saying "japan is good to visit hell to actually live" and work there, now imagine actually being a nihonjin, literally what do you have after high school, just becoming a neet or a worker?There's no reason to return unless you want to keep being a neet or something.
>>287062200The only argument I can by for returning to your world is to rule it as its one and only god, otherwise you are better off in your new world with your new powers, fame, success and women.
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>>287062215Japan isn't special. There isn't anywhere that isn't some form of hell.
>>287062200It's escapism.
>>287062200Modern world is hell, and it is better to escape it by any means necessary
isekai written by women>at minimum decent world building>likeable cast of characters all with a place in the story>not overbearing on romance, and generally not disappointing>plot and progression planned out very well from start to finishisekai written by men>mc is always a whiny, angsty teenager/salaryman who leads a life of escapism>dogshit world building with piss puddle depth made with tolkien high fantasy slot machines>cast of cardboard characters that only exist to fellate the mc or be an obstacle to him>mc only succeeds at anything on virtue of having cheats handed to him by a god and gets a trophy waifu who will put up with his shit>procedurally generated naroushit plot that goes nowhere or ends when the author is burned outI don't even need the cherrypicked OP. It's somehow always like this. Why?
>>287062200I see newer isekai like that all the time, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about
>>287063403Japanese audiences are in some kind of mass parasocial relationship with their entertainment where they will throw ridiculous amounts of praise and money into it but punish the slightest divergence from their expectations. It's like the slop peddles are trapped in an abusive relationship because crushing their soul makes the miserable pricks that guzzling the slop from the trough only feel joy when someone messes up and gets sacrificed.
>>287063403>Inuyasha>decent world buildingIt's okay I guess.>likeable cast of characterslollmao>not overbearing on romance, and generally not disappointinglollmao>plot and progression planned out very well from start to finish>IT'S OVER FINAL BOSS-SAMA MY BLACK HOLE WILL SUCK YOU IN>AAAAAIEEEEE NOT THE BEES
>>287063691Fantastic arguments. Now, let's look at the male counterpart.cast>5 flavors of one-dimensional anime whores locked into their respective gimmick + male comic relief character punching bag (minimum screentime so otaku don't get worried)romance>option 1: "W-WOAH are t-these b-b-b-breasts?!! Uwahh b-but I died a virgin in my last life. P-please just keep throwing yourself at me and I might reciprocate your feelings in 400 chapters">option 2: "ok everything with a pussy in 500km radius jump on my cock"
>>287063403Can you recommend me good Isekai written by women then? No need to be a poser I just want something good, not the other anon
>>287063879Twelve Kingdoms
>>287062200How? The idea of returning requires a convenient plot device that makes "travel between universes" an actually realistic endeavor in the first place, otherwise the circumstances are flipped and staying is the "mature choice" while wanting to return despite the astronomical odds of success in one's lifetime is the choice of "escaping from reality".
>>287063942Thanks a lot. Believe it or not it's the one I just downloaded just before askingBecause of this thread I just discovered that my two favorite light novel: 86 and ascendance of a bookworm, were both written by womenNever occurred to me before kek
>>287064017you need to get out more. Believe it or not, women are PEOPLE. You fucking zoomer incels are seriously in some deep fucking shit mentally. No wonder why you're all cutting off your dicks. in 10 years, your dumbass misogyny shit is going to fuck you in the ass so hard, you're all going to off yourselves
>>287062200>Rayearth (1993)>Escaflowne (1994)>Inuyasha (1996)>Fushigi Yugi (1991)>The Twelve Kingdoms (1992)>isekai for boys are all post-2010Hm...Surely this is not an incredibly biased pic
>>287062215unless you have boomer mindset and work like a mule
here's two recently finished isekai slops.>i was reincarnated as a noble so i'm going to bring economic prosperity to my domain>i was reincarnated as a villainess and 3 noble men are competing for my attentionmale isekai is more often power fantasy "starting over" escapism. female isekai is more often insertion into jane austen vibe romancenote that girl isekai never ever starts with main character as a child while some male ones dont progress beyond it. being a smartass kid is top male fantasy
>>287062200What’s the point of a power fantasy if you don’t get to live that power fantasy forever? Normal life would just be even more miserable afterwards.
>>287062200Because they are mostly reborn in the new worlds which in their minds, and the minds of many consumers, severs the connections and perceived responsibilities towards people and places from their previous lives. In these new worlds everything revolves around them and they are super special, OP and with newly acquired sexy or cool bodies.
>>287064164My problem with villainess anime is that they mostly have the same plot in that the girl just becomes a wonderfully good person instead of their canon bitch persona. Gets a little sameyThey should do Reborn as Heroine and become evil instead! For once
>>287063403Log Horizon defies this.
>>287064087>in the year 2000 women finally stopped writing and returned to the kitchen where they belong
>>287062200In no respect is Tanya not a boys anime
>>287064033huuh what the fuck is wrong with you
>>287063257How is living a real life in a real world with real people 'escapism'
>>287064292True. Too bad it could not escape the indefinite hiatus.
>>287064335the one who recommended me Tanya was a girl sooo maybe it actually kinda is
>>287063844>ok everything with a pussy in 500km radius jump on my cockI clap everytime
>When the other world feels more real than reality :the genre.
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>>287064361Merely anecdotal
>>287062939>It makes sense that if you could reincarnate into another world, you could also possibly reincarnate or teleport back into your original world (especially if magic exists).So you want a 10 minute OVA where a guy dies and gets reincarnated into another world, then gives himself a quick pep talk about reincarnating back home and killing himself?
>>287064340it's too late for you.
>>287064370You catch the clap every time.
>>287064444That's one way, lol. But I was mostly talking about them mastering teleportation or finishing their task in the new world and the god (who originally reincarnated them) sending them back
>>287064348Mangaka who hate escapism are so weird Like that’s how you make money dumbass
>>287064599Just watch Dunbine.
>>287062200>Start as neet>Get cheat powers>Get to a point where lack of effort gets him killed>Wake up in real world again >Get warned he's going back in>Starts to train>Get isekaid again >Can survive better>Lack of leadership and people skills gets everyone killed >Return to real world>Learn to socialise >Get job and hobbies>Learn to lead>Get isekaid >Finally can win after going in starting as a functioning man instead of a miserable child>Growing up and facing problems was the solution to his problem in both worldsHow bad would nips hate it?
>>287062200Have you seen the world?I always find it hilarious how this meme argument uses 90s fantasy anime for the isekai for girls. I guess every modern isekai for girls being either smut or shoelacer slop doesn't fit the narrative.
>>287064763what's wrong with the world?
>>287064164The large majority of otome villainesses start as kids.
>>287062200Overlord was good for like two seasons and then I got really bored. It was clear the MC and his minions would never lose any meaningful fight. I get that’s the premise but it made everything low stakes. Enjoyed the bit where he was larping with his ninja maid.
>>287064816It has no lolibaba
>>287064835But you could imagine yourself casting those spells and winning immediately. Don't you want to just sit there going "HE LIKE ME fr fr" for 20 minutes. You can't do that with stakes. Next you'll be demanding setups and payoffs.
>>287062200The topic of the MC's parents, the real world and his regrets for not being a better son came up in Re:Zero. It's even in the anime albeit in the most sliced and diced season. It's a topic in at least one more of those shows but I won't say which since it's not in the anime yet.
>>287064922I was shipping Brain with Shaltear because he was so hype at cutting her fingernail. Would have been cute. Oh well. My nigga got iced. Didn’t even get killed by her
>>287062200Naofumi IS leaving to return to his own world once the waves are done. And he's taking raphtalia with him.
>>287062200>Using the wrong image>2026Yikes
>>287065102It really is true that men are the more romantic sex isn’t it
>>287064763>I guess every modern isekai for girls being either smut or shoelacer slop doesn't fit the narrative.>shoelacerWhy do zoomers like to make up words?Even if we were to take modern "villainess" isekai stories, they tend to be far more interesting than their male counterparts. Said hero actually does something other than stumble upon girls wanting their cock.
>>287065153>Using the wrong image>2026>Twice in one thread
>>287062200What's the purpose of this thread actually?
>>287065153>Even if we were to take modern "villainess" isekai stories, they tend to be far more interesting than their male counterparts. Said hero actually does something other than stumble upon girls wanting their cock.Yeah, they're girls. They don't have cocks. Instead they stumble upon bishies who toy with them and find them "interesting" for being unlike all the other girls.You're being dishonest as fuck.
>>287064164They do though.I'd argue that for otome isekai/time travel most of the time the femmc only need to stop looking at the male characters and they would all instantly try to please or seek her out.
Here’s an interesting premise: guy who isekais into a dating game as one of the men and has to “win” by getting with the love interest. That happened yet?
This is what a real male self-insert looks like
>>287062939So your answer is that you'd abandon your current life to find a way to time travel to Mesopotamia...just because? And possibly killing yourself?
>>287065253No. The MC is not allowed to be important and handsome from the get-go. He MUST be a mob character and he MUST try to keep a low profile until the author grows bored of it a couple of chapters in and then make the actual love interests look like imbeciles.
>>287065253That's just Angelique from the perspective of one of the guardians.
>>287065253Plenty>>287065297There is also popular route where MC took the role of villain though.
>>287065119also the sex that values friendship more
>read yuri isekai (written by women but for mostly men)>now multiple different couples exist instead of self-insertsWhy can't authors just do this in straight series?
>>287065387This just looks like misery slop
Simp thread? Simp thread
>Youjo Senki>for girlsI wasn't aware girls have WW1 autism and a desire to power fantasy as a genius strategist for the Central Powers
>>287065387You don't understand. The isekai is the MC's personal stage for him to live out his escapist fantasies. All the girls are his property, even if he doesn't choose them in the end. It's their obligation to remain virgins till the day they die.
I like when the hero defeats the bad guy and marries his healthy love interest and saves the day : )
>>287062299>Isekai is reincarnationWrong. "Tensei" is reincarnation. Isekai means a parallel world. It just so happens that for a while the most popular trope for going to the "other world" was reincarnation. So there's a lot of overlap. But there's plenty of isekai that don't involve reincarnation, in fact most of the older examples before the fad exploded in the mid '10s, don't feature it at all. Eventually, Narou authors also figured out you don't have to do the isekai part at all to do tensei, so there's plenty of popular tensei series that aren't actually isekai (like, for example, the 7th Prince anime that was popular recently).
>>287065437incel
>>287065395Other yuri isekai exist and they follow a similar pattern without being as dark.>>287065419How many side couples exist in isekai for modern isekai for girls though?
>>287062200You never read Tanya to put it under girl's isekai, story had a homage to real life pedo general.
>>287065253They even go further and make mc one of the villains who were supposed to rape the heroine but instead she fell for him now lol
>>287062200Going to reincarnate into a noble baby body and then eventually fuck my older sister/aunt-figure hot maid despite social pressure and my father’s stern disapproval. Then I will fight Demon King
>>287065491Not to say that OP is right (he's very wrong) but women are actually far more likely to write about pedo stuff than men. Far more. Some of the most influential works about adult male x young girl were written by women, in Japan.
>>287065491H-Hot
>>287065513Given he is doing concern trolling over some long dead pedo German he has probably never read Kodomo no Jikan or Usagi Drop.
>>287065153Why does the term shoelacer trigger tourists? It is a decade old meme.
>>287065153>men want to start as a normal guy who over the journey becomes stronger by putting in effort and overcoming trials>women want to instantly become attractive with little to no effort
>>287065550Damn bro you're so vanilla
>>287065443>>287062327By this point, the only defining trait of isekai is whether the MC remembers a previous life or not. And quite often that doesn't even matters, as they randomly mention it, but never bring it back or take advantage of previous knowledge. >Pic related>The faraway paladin
>>287065550I was actually thinking classical Japanese lit, with the Tale of Genji, but there's plenty of modern examples, too.
>>287065404it is. You think boys watch that shit? Fuck no. When S2 comes out, I can bet you that a battle shonen will top the charts again.
>>287063257>fuck that you’re going home!>handicap sign
>>287065550>German
>>287065613It's pure alt history military autism. It's basically woman repellent.
>>287065550stop being mad your favorite anime was written for women
>>287065640lol name one thing about it that would appeal to a woman
>>287065593>By this point, the only defining trait of isekai is whether the MC remembers a previous life or notWrong. "previous life" is tensei, not isekai, as has already been explained to you. The fact you cannot distinguish between isekai and tensei is not my problem.
>>287063879Not isekai, but two fantasy series by women that stand out to me are Beast Player Erin and Dungeon Meshi.
>>287062200Tanya: dead (hit by a train)Cid: dead (hit by a truck) and he does go back only to see the world got hit by an apocalypse so it doesnt matter Rudy: Dead (hit by a truck). He was also thrown out of his house and homelessAinz: might be able to go back, but his original world was a shithole dystopiaShield Hero: He already has plans to go backRe:Zero: He know he won't be able to go back and while its not in your face about it, it fucks him up.Slime: Dead (stabbed)Moonlit Fantasy: His parents made a deal and pretty sure he was raised groomed into it on the down low.They all pretty much explain it.m, what's the problem?
>>287064819>>287065228For half an episode? Doesn't count. villainesses start when they get rejected or are timeskipped from baby to a woman. if the mc were a loli it'd be for men.But i'm happy to hear examples of this
>>287063879I really like Honzuki.
>>287065593>the only defining trait of isekai is whether the MC remembers a previous life or notWhy are you so fixated on reincarnation. Isekai is transmigration. If the main character(s) are going to a different world, it's isekai. Nothing else matters.
>>287065593>MC's entire success is based on his modern idiosyncrasies and previous knowledge >I-It doesn't matter! Reminds me of the retards who think the gender of GB MCs doesn't matter because they are not trooning out 24/7
>>287062200Why would anyone go back when there's elf/dwarf/orc/goblin women > human women
>>287065709Did you know that Bakarina starts as a child?Crazy, right?
>>287064689I would hate it because it sounds like the generic "you have to fight demon lord" formula. Like why? Why do I have to fight the demon lord? How about I take my cheat powers and just fuck off and live the slow life innawoods, using my powers to become an undying lich and learning the secrets of this and all worlds while the yuusha faggots are battling the demon lord to prop up real estate prices for the (((nobles))).
>>287065708>but his original world was a shithole dystopiaAnd he's rapidly turning his new world into one, granted he's going to end up ruling it.
>>287065708I forgot, Kazuma also died (heart attack while almost getting hit by a tractor)Campfire Skill guy didn't die, but he didn't want to deal with the Kingdom that summoned him and skidaddled the first chance he got. I think that one is the only one that can really be argued about.
>>287065632>>287065649a single plain cute loli that has multiple men lusting over her. Mary sue that can't do anything wrong. A political story with tons of backstabbing and court gossip. A "mystery" that only said woman can solve. It's Apothecary Diaries but set in WW1
>>287062200Damn, isekai for girls is just so much better. Escaflowne and 12 kingdoms are some of the best fantasy anime out there, no contest. The ones on the isekai for boys list can´t even hope to compete. Even Youjo Senki is far better than Overlord and Jobless... damn.
>>287065649The sexy old men
>>287065757Wrong.Yes, the MC has modern ideas about taking anyone competent under his wing instead of the caste system of his world. But that would be utterly pointless if he didn't have his magic eye thing, his appraisal thing. The entire point about him being a competent leader is recognizing the talent in other people and fully exploiting it, looking beyond superficial things like their skin tone or gender. (I'm surprised 4chan didn't rip a new one on this show)Having a previous life and modern customs barely matters and actually detracts from possible tension. I mean, what's better, to be born good or through great effort overcome your nature? Thus, what's more worth or appraisal, to be born with modern ideas or through great effort admit the ideas you learned and let your life guide were wrong and change the world and yourself?
>>287063403>pick "old good" women isekai >pick "new bad" male isekai>It's somehow always like this. Why?
>>287065681>>287065748Go back to /d/, faggots. Someone post a pic of a futa without vago, you can go and screech over that in there.
>>287065836You never watched the show.
>>287062215At the moment the whole world is suck.
>he doesn't want to return to the original world to dab on everyone after maxing out his level and skills
>>287066009>is wrong>gets told he's wrong>makes non-sequitur retortJust learn the definitions of words, man. It's not hard. Tensei = reincarnation. Isekai = other world. Stories can feature both of these things, but they don't have to coincide. You can do tensei without isekai, and you can do isekai without tensei.
>>287065970>muh hard workKEKYou being upset the hero of the story is an exceptional individual does not mean the isekai element is irrelevant. You merely don't like the way it is made relevant. Appraisal would be wasted on a local because of their savage western sensibilities, only a glorious nipponese with their humble salaryman skills could've use it effectively to gather allies and build a kingdom.
>>287066203It's not exactly wrong.Everyone knows the ABC alphabet, but only some could actually write great novels.
>>287062200First off, dishonest as fuck pic. Second, isekai MC's aren't written to be actual isekai MC's they are just used to justify having information dumps and exposition by telling. You can take the isekai part out of their character and nothing would really change about the story, what would change is the writing. If your chara already exists in the world you can't info dump basic shit like how the kingdom or place works without your story and MC looking extremely retarded since they are already supposed to know this shit and wouldn't need it explained to them. These MC's are also vectors for Deus Ex Machina type shit, what I mean by that is that his sword granted to him by a literal goddess can just do "insert ass pull" versus actually explaining why this sword this MC has can do the shit it can do without sounding stupid since there is no goddess bs cop out, or "I know how to do this because I conveniently read about it online in Japan" versus "I know how to do this because (insert decent explanation in why he knows)" ect. I could go one, isekai is done right can be excellent however more often than not they are shit because the author wants to write a high fantasy work without putting in the effort of actually writing a true high fantasy work.
>>287066203>a glorious nipponese with their humble salaryman skills >One of the most sexist countries in the world, only above the goat fuckers because they are too much of a pussy to stone women.>Extremely isolationist to the point a baka gaijins won't ever get a chance to shine.You have no idea. Most japanese don't ever bother checking women skills, they are that inferior, much less allow them to take leadership positions. And is that a brownie? Haha, get back to your shithole, panjeet!
>>287065294>words words words. Kill yourselfCaught the jeet. Lmao. I might kill myself if my life was picrel
>>287066378>muh american politicsNo, glorious nipponese respect woman, thats why only them can use their underage foreign sex slaves respectfully. A local could never understand their true value.
>>287063844I like these unless they are coomerbait or humorshit like>sexual reference every single sceneor>constantly making annoying jokes
>>287066031>Has no argument I accept your concession
>>287062200Have you tried reading the context of what you are talking about? Subaru and the dude from Failure Frame want to go back. Kagome decided to stay and the chick from Escaflowne never wanted to go back to earth to the very end and afterwards.But the real question here is how is this relevant to anything and why does drooling retards have convinced themselves that it hold any relevancy.
>>287066476>he can't readAre you retarded?
