>Faggy son is obsessed in love with his childhood friend>Keeps meddling with his bullying of other gay kids because he is jealous and so gets bullied in their place>Dies in an unrelated way in a tragic accident while still having a boner because he was just doing his usual humiliation ritual with his boyfriend >Mother and father go on a pointless killing rampage of kids who were just kids being kids.What is the moral of this story?
Don't let your kids turn out like Op
There was no story to begin with. Everyone just wanted to see Maria naked which didn't happen nearly enough
>>287125359the fuck happened?
You just reminded me of a manga where a mom gets a bunch of Saw traps together to get revenge on her bullied to death son. I wonder if I can find it again.It was mostly a quasi-porn because the mother got a bunch of plastic surgery to lure in the bullies and seduce them before they woke up Okaa-san Jigsaw
>>287126592Not sure if joking but you're describing the exact same story in OP
>>287126644oh, lmao, it actually is the same series. I thought OP meant actually gay, not just a bullyable nerd
>>287126692That's probably what OP actually means. Which is why he came here to complain about it.
>>287125359>What is the moral of this story?Don't read gay soap opera with goonbait
Caught up with it, god damn this got really fucking stupid
>>287125359better suck that dick to avenge your son
>>287125359This manga is still around? It became shit so fast, kek.
>>287126533Currentlythe ringleader is the only one left. He and his mom basically spared the husband and called a truce of sorts with the proposition that he and Maria make another child because he thinks it'll be Kiritaka reborn so he can go back to playing with him. Obviously Maria has other plans.
>>287130305Ok, I wasn't having a stroke when I read that. I thought for sure it was some AI MTL butcher job because no way was I trusting what I was reading to be someone intentionally writing that.
>>287130305Christ. At this point ironic punishment no longer matter, just stick a bomb under their car or something.
>>287130407I've said it before but I still think Maria's imagined scenario at the talent show was the originally intended ending before it got extended. It's silly bullshit now but I gotta admit I am hoping Maria and the husband pull it off and escape to genuinely try again at the end, otherwise they die together
>>287130676Maria isn't going to survive, she knows she's as bad as those she's punished.
>>287130676>before it got extendedOk, that explains why this become such a circus and has gone from contrived revenge porn to flat out non-sense
>I WILL SHED MY IDENTITY>I WILL BECOME VENGEANCE INCARNATE>I WILL NOT BE FOUND OR STOPPED UNTIL THE DEED IS DONE>I AM... my maiden name
>>287130730>Maria isn't going to surviveI doubt Maria will survive, she'll survive or ends up having a new identity and a new purpose life. She knows her previous life is just fucked and wants to get away.
>>287130883I just meant in the general sense that protags who kill in the way she does, generally are also punished in media. She is a criminal vigilante who is killing high school kids
>>287125359>kids who were just kids being kids.Are you russian or something? Torturing, beating, blackmailing and shit like that is just normal to you?
>>287130916>She is a criminal vigilante who is killing high school kidsHer motivation is getting revenge for her son's bullying death is now useless since she founds out her son was in relationship with the bully. Now she probably will kill everyone for her sanity till she's satisfied. I do think she will survive because her life is full of lies and what ifs.
>>287131106>since she founds out her son was in relationship with the bullyNow why would you come here and make up lies, anon? Nothing about this post is true.
>>287130407Okaya with his 300 IQ genius moves would sniff the detonator. I've got a theory that to get Okaya, Maria will have to eliminate Shizuka first.
>>287131286>Now why would you come here and make up lies, anon?So Maria really knew huh?
>>287131360I'm pretty sure she and possibly her husband will be the actual final bosses against Maria and Taiichiro, I can see Okaya just being unceremoniously shot/stabbed/whatever due to some overconfidence bullshit
>>287131473Okaya will kill himself because he is getting close to realize the truth himself, he was in love and the only person who loved him is dead, this story is executed in an embarrassingly bad way but the author is building some good irony with Maria realizing all this time the person she demonized all this time is suffering much more than she is over the death of her son. Maria and her cuck ex husband will then give in to the police and that will be it.
>>287130762I'm still mad we got the extemporaneous murder island arc yet fat boy's revenge death was almost entirely offscreen. Shikimi's and KINOgawa's deaths were peak while Aijiki's was a wet fart.
>>287125359A gay Isekai MC
>>287131473>I can see Okaya just being unceremoniously shot/stabbed/whatever due to some overconfidence bullshitby Shizuka herself while trying to kill Maria hopefully. The last two chapters doubled down on Shizuka being the demon who led Okaya down this path so it's fair for her to live long enough to realize she fucked over her kid's life.
>>287131611Aijiki was a wet fart, that was sort of the point, he wasn't really worth the extended effort
I'll never understand why revenge series turn out like this.Why is it so hard to just give us revenge? Let the bully hunter hunt the bullies.Bu no, for some reason, we always need contrived drama. For some reason, the bullies all have to be keikakumasters 5000 with the lead bully who's always a bishie being a ultra keikakumaster 9999999 who at age 4 was a genius who controls governments from the shadows and can predict everyone's movements 10 years in advance and who was also in love with the whoever they bullied and was also part of another million layered keikaku.Also, revenge le bad or something tacked on at the end.Only the Gintoki-sensei manga ever did it right.
>>287131728Perhaps that makes sense given the narrative, but it is a letdown for the reader.
>>287131816Probably just slapped the island and Aijiki together while focusing efforts on resolving the main villains and buying time for the dad to progress to be a partner in crime
Why are Japs making so many revenge series lately? did he deserve it?
>>287131771>I'll never understand why revenge series turn out like this.The plot begs for the bullies to be rich and powerful keikakumasters because the mangaka has to explain why a group of 14 year olds are a pack of blackmailing, raping, murdering demons that somehow get away with it all while the victims are never believed. Meanwhile sensei's manga bullies were just average intelligence evil bastards.
>>287131903Making his own father do it was the cherry on top.
>>287131771You'll probably like >>287131903, it's a lot more grounded in reality. Also it's shorter than Maria no Danzai.
>>287126644what manga is the demon one from?
>>287125932How many porn scenes does she have? I only remember her sucking the principal's cock.
>>287132388Sensei, Bokutachi wa KoroshiteimasenSee >>287131903
>>287132427She was mildly molested by that one rando bully before she turned the tables and tortured him, groped a few more times by the principal, that's about it. Principal's out of the manga now anyway, it's over
>>287131473>I'm pretty sure she and possibly her husband will be the actual final bosses against Maria and TaiichiroNo chance, we already saw that the parents were under his thumb.>>287131595Maria realizing all this time the person she demonized all this time is suffering much more than she is over the death of her son. Maria and her cuck ex husband will then give in to the police and that will be it.This is more probable, she won't kill Okaya, her ex-husband will probably die before the story is over though, probably from her hands when she tries to save Okaya or some shit and that will be the only murder that they'll be able to pin on her.
>>287133133>it's overNot true. Okaya wants Kiritaka 2.0 at all costs so I wouldn't put it past him drugging and inseminating her with Taiichirou's semen. >knock her up>send her to jail>mommy complexes won't allow her to self abort>Shizuka adopts nu-Kiritaka
>>287133208Shizuka made Okaya into what he is and is hinted at being a capable fighter, she just goes along with his weird torture shit because she's just as bugfuck crazy as he is. Maria doesn't give a shit about his feelings. Her only real change/weakness now is Taiichiro since he signed on, it's also why Aijiki's punishment was halfassed, she was pretty certain Shizuka would be able to kill him so she was as quick as she could be about it
>>287133299>Taiichirou'ssure
Most of the reviews about Maria ni Danzai are wrong; "the manga is bad because it's long; it should be shorter" simply doesn't exist don't make sense, nothing more than an fallacy.>100 chapters that can be read is way better than 30 chapters.But, in the case of the plot going downhill or losing it's attractiveness during the 70 added chapters, then it because of other things, like the author's lack of abilities, and certainly not because of the manga's stretching. which is not a bad thing.For Maria no Danzai, and specially Juujika no Rokunin, their plots dived because the mature part were toned down or completely rushed; in JnR case it was obvious that the gore, action and rapey aspects were nearly completely gone, and that crashed the manga during the "love matching game" arc.Juujika no Rokunin went downhill because it became soft, not because it was stretched and got more than 230 chapters.
>>287125359>headcannon>>287125427fpbp
>>287131903>So many bad revenge seriesFixed. This one is bad, except Sakurai's beauty there is nothing much to see.>>287132090>it's a lot more grounded in reality.Lol, nope. The plot of this one doesn't make sense; the traps against the other bullies were a bit exagerated, but they had at least quite some sense, while this one is really over the limits of common sense.But this is not the same for Maria no Danzai, where the plot was credible and good until the post-Kinugawa chapters.
>>287130165It jumped the shark after the gigachad died, because we went from the mother and maybe the villan going >"hehe it was all a part of my plan...."To some retarded shit where everybody had an angle, the bully"s mom had an angle when he was born, the cop husband had an angle and knows mommy maria is his wife, the faggot glasses cop has an angle where he wants to take down the bully's mom who is a police chief etc etc.Everyone has an angle, in a few chapters the principle will go full "kukuku....this was all a part of my plan to create a hardcore NTR manga......"
>>287130165>this got really fucking stupidYeah, correct. It has become nearly as bad as the love game during the final arc of Juujika no Rokunin.
>>287131903You can tell this was written by a nasty femcel who has dog semen festering in her cunt and never felt the touch of a man.
>>287134026Yes, there is no reason for the dad to do this. The plot doesn't make sense.Furthermore, the gay scene after...
>>287133946>Koroshiteimasen doesn't make sense>MnD does
>>287134026This but redo of healer and incel instead of femcel
>>287134080Anon, are you really claiming that the storyline of the bully's dick make sense and isn't over the limits of common sense ?Because, at least, in the first chapters of Maria no Danzai, it was credible and many dubious things could at least be logically explained (name change, the bullies being obvious to the danger, nagase's bullying being covered up by both the local police and the principal). But this is not the case for sensei bokutachi, where the plot evolved like Chainsaw man's last chapter.
I liked buta no Fukuushu. I know that everyone in the MC's previous school was apparently an unredeemable psychopath for no reason, but I like how the main character deals with these isekai jerks in a creative way.This is retaking the concept of that other polemic Isekai manga that was cancelled but in a more creative way.
>>287134195Nah. Redo became a femcel fantasy the moment Keyaru shoved his cock inside Flare instead of the red hot iron rod.
>>287134211>I liked buta no FukuushuCool concept, but too many beautiful chicks were introduced, only to be slaughtered by the orcs and the pig MC, where his fights against the bullies are barely inconveniences.Furthermore, the MC is only fighting 3 or 2 bullies, neither more than 10 bullies, because the author made the bullies dumb who certainly can't think about the "human wave" tactic.What a waste.
Juujika no Rokunin became very bad because of its change of direction, violence, fight and rape were reduced or completely gone; the plot was fucking rushed and the characters persona changed to make no more sense.When the final arc started, there were many warning signe (the MC not fighting gamo, who turned good for simply no reason, and the nurse not being assaulted by him) but it was compensated by the ninja and the VR.But during the infamous and crappy deoath game, and after, this all went downhill and wasn't worth reading anymore.>Juujika no Rokunin didn't became bad because of its long lenght. It became bas because it was rushed, softened and clearly shorter than it should have been.
>>287126644Mari nagase is so sexy. Too bad the plot toned down her brutal revenge (Kinugawa was shortened, while Akiji was nearly removed completely).Generally, when the violence part is cut off or tone down in a revenge manga, well that a bad sign.
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>>287134200>the storyline of the bully's dick make sense and isn't over the limits of common sense ?Literally what is wrong with that storyline? The guy is well connected and immune to the law. The only way to take him down was to destroy his connections - which MC did by tricking him into trying to rape her at the Minister of Justice's new house, whose construction had to be cancelled because of it. And then she blackmailed the guy's father to cut off his dick. How does it make less sense than the Saw traps in MnD?
>>287135412I'm not sure if the dad would be willing to cut off his Son's dick even after that and let him be locked up in a place with a rapist, especially if he doesn't have another heir.
>>287134211What even happened to it? Been more than a year with new chapters.
>>287135682The dad was only slightly less messed up than his son. He chose what was left of his business and fortune over his kid. Also, he could still make another kid.
>>287131903Huh. Got me to read this. It's at least a little interesting that she doesn't seem to be completely invincible/unshakable even though she's succeeded so far
>>287131903redo healer is good
>>287135412>>287135773>trying to rape her at the Minister of Justice's new house>whose construction had to be cancelled because of itBecause these are not connected at all; Mashima attempting to rape Sakurai there shouldn't have led to the construction being cancelled; there is no common sense apply here.Furthermore, since it was the house of a rich person, a guard should have been posted to ensure that no misdeeds occur.But the most nonsensical thing is this :Dad had no reason to not just charge at sensei and knock her out as well as seize the recording device. The three of them are alone in a house at night and they could deal with the camera footage after subduing her.Finally, a construction worker simply don't say to a random woman if security camera are installed or not.While the traps in Maria no danzai are, of course, make believable by the plot but they are credible; Kinugawa couldn't just overpowered Maria.
>>287125359I thought the whole appeal of this was the mom whoring herself out to everyone after she gave the fat old man a blowjobYou guys are genuinely reading and enjoying this slop?
>>287135412>>287135773One thing you missed; earlier Sakurai warned them, so the suprise effect is gone; this was not the case in the first chapters where Maria only acted as a senior high nurse, who may have been "jealous" of Shkkimori, and in the first place wasn't even the target of the bullies, it was nagare.So "Sensei, bokutachi wa..." is not a very good manga and got many strange plot holes and such. This was not the case for MnD in the first chapters; its plot tried to be coherent.
>>287136640>appealFor me, the appeal of Mnd is Mari Nagase being cruel and kicking ass, like Setsuna Rikudou from Bouryoku Banzei.
I'm so tired of this moving goalpost bullshit of a manga
>>287133969>love game during the final arc of Juujika no Rokunin.I still don't get what the hell the mangaka was thinking during that part. Iruma had already suffered many defeats and let innocent people die or get raped before, but those issues were usually resolved in just one or two chapters. But what’s the point of making him look so pathetic and humiliating him while the heroines were being murdered in front of him over 10 whole chapters with some hiatus in the middle? It’s not even fun for NTRfags since they were just violently murdered, there was no rape or anything, plus most of the readers just wanted a revenge power fantasy. It felt like a very specific humiliation fetish.
>>287136755>over 10 whole chapters That the big thing that many people misunderstood.The whole love matching was too short, toned down and rushed. The torture option were too similar; the gravure model and were too much similar.Worse; the nurse, Mimi, or the cop, Oota, clearly should have been the ones to be eliminated. There weeewas key characters, but weren't FMC candidates (Reo, kaname, Chizuru, Anna).Furthermore, Reo, a badass character, simply walking by to stop the game without fighting at all was ridiculous and completely lame.When i first read this, i was so shocked and couldn't believe what i was seeing.Like fujimoto, the author seemed bored.
>>287126644I don’t recognize the God manga. Where is it from?
>>287136885*The torture options were too much similar and lacked gore; the gravure model's torture and azama's torture were too much similar and, honestly, felt boring.Furthermore, anzai was crushed too quickly; at first i thought it was the sudden opening of a arc of blood and despair, but it was only the rushed manga's version of GOT season 8...
>>287136912Asura's Verdict
Does anyone remember that series where a guy's daughter is bullied to death he tries to investigate and gets killed but it's a time loop manga and he wakes up a month earlier
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>>287130791Make easier for the husband to found mari, not the bully.What is really making Maria no Danzai going downhill are the romance parts, as they toned down the manga, created plot hole (suddenly there was a camera on the bike that recorded the bullying) and make Maria weak (akiji's punishment was shortened) while Shizuka Okaya, serious and deceptive, became dumb because she couldn't assaulted the Husband anymore.
>>287137218It's garbage from the beginning. Stop reading it. Read good manga like pic related.
>>287136755Juujika no Rokunin didn't became bad because the new villains and characters were added. It became bad because it was rushed and softened.Mimi and Oota should have been out by the end of the death game while Saki Hanaoka should have got more screentime and fanservice panels, specially during the game.Worse was the retcon about the cult; armed cultists loyal to Kyou suddenly became screaming NPC that could openly mocked their leader Kyou without facing any issues from the cult's chiefs, and were quickly put out by the autorities at the end.
>>287136885Even if you like extreme violence, most readers only read the series for the revenge payoff. Yes, a lot of the torture scenes at the beginning were very graphic, but part of the appeal for readers also came from the fact that those getting tortured were one-dimensional bad guys, so it was funny. The grandpa, the brother, or even Kaname always died quickly. Starting to torture the “good guys” in such a drawn-out way might be entertaining in another manga, but in JnR it feels like it didnt match with readers expectations. Even among Japanese readers, people were asking for it to end already. If there was one form of torture that felt too Mike, it was Kyou’s at the end, though by that point, no torture would have felt satisfying.
>>287137301>It's garbage from the beginningNo, i don't think so; it was good and fun until chapter 40 or so.
>>287137324The whole stretch from the moment they enter the forest until they reach the love game is way too boring. The grandpa’s ex-friend was there just to kill time. By that point, no one cared about the past of the bullies who were already dead, and the whole Iruma-kyou flashback is retarded. And all that took up easily 30–40 chapters.
>>287137348>>287137348>Even if you like extreme violenceNot a fan of Ryona and such.>most readers want the revenge payoff>most reader dont want extrême violencecontradiction, and inaccurate claim about JnR readers; they want violence, gore, SA, revenge and fanservice.>The grandpa, the brother, or even Kaname always died quickly. The good guys after didn't.Nonsense, Anzai, Chizuru and Hanaoka were unalived very quickly and too soon. This was an issue.>Even among Japanese readers, people were asking for it to end already. Not very much. Actually, it was the opposite.No big drop or notable change in the sales until the volumes for chapters 210-230.If there was one form of torture that felt too Mike, it was Kyou’s at the end.Not only Kyou but also the big villain and Sanae were killed very quickly, in strange and rushes way.You ought not to mispresent the views of r/Juujika no Rokunin with the views of the people; the sub was always spouting nonsense, but when chapters 207 and 212 were releashed, the only ones who postes accurate comments were either banished dropped the manga because it was really becoming bad, on the contrary of the ealier chapters (Island, Jun and kaname's clones) who weren't peak but still very good.
>>287137431>The whole stretch from the moment they enter the forest until they reach the love game is way too boringNot at all.>The grandpa’s ex-friend was there just to kill time. No, he was a good antagonist; he was a rapist as well as a murdered and lunatic (cannibal); the action scene were cool as well as him dying like the disgusting guy he was.>By that point, no one cared about the past of the bullies who were already deadNo, many were as it was show how deviant they were, and that Kyou didn't corrupt them. No issue with this arc.The only thing that was very bad before the love game was Gamo; he was supposed to be an antagonist and the manga's ugly bastard, yet didn't fight Uruma and turned good for no clear reason, and then got killed by Kibe offscreen.
>>287137431>>287137348Juujika no Rokunin didn't became bad because the new villains and characters were added. It became bad because it was rushed and softened.Violence, Rape and Karma were always key elements of Juujika no Rokunin, and people like to see that.Not always relevant and similar to Guro or Ryona.But, during the love game chapters and the following chapters, these aspects were cut off for no reason.You two think like this>"Juujika is Rokunin is filled with rape and violence? Let's see it right now">NOOOH! This manga is filled with violence and violence and rape ! WHY !"
>>287137348 and >>287137431 have been really quiet since the facts dropped.
>>287137730 There's no point in arguing if our standards for what we consider fun are substantially different.
>>287137788>There's no point in arguingBut that what you just did, and It was proved that people were reading this manga for violence, rape and revenge, and that these elements disappeared between the start of the final revenge arc and the death game.You were claiming something else, got debunked, and seeth right now.But i accept your concession.>Juujika no Rokunin didn't became bad because it was stretched and new villains and characters were added. It became bad because it was rushed and softened during the love matching game, and many retcon took place during this crappy arc, making a complete joke of the facts that were previously established.
>>287134255>too many beautiful chicks were introduced, only to be slaughtered by the orcs and the pig MC>giving evil bitches a pass just because they are hotI'm glad MC doesn't give a fuck. True equality. He already has princess, her little sister, and the elf anyway..
>>287138137I said that the most important thing about JnR was revenge and its payoff. Humiliating Iruma so severely during the Love Arc and dragging out the deaths of the good guys is stupid unless you’re doing it for a specific type of NTR Ryona fetish that doesnt revolve around sex, because you’re creating a payoff that can never actually be fulfilled. Kyou’s actions up to that point and all the MC’s humiliations are so elevated that not even tearing his anus apart like they did to the second victim would have been cathartic, given the sheer amount of bullshit and stupidity it took to reach that point.As for the rest, you just responded to my “I found this part boring” with “I found this part fun,” so I couldn’t care less.
>>287136561Three arguments against your narrative:1. East Asians can be superstitious as hell and will not live in a rape/murder house. 2. The minister considers rapebully a loose canon. Before he could use his power to cover for the kid because there was no direct evidence, but in this situation he can't because Sakurai has leverage that'll be hard for him to rug sweep. 3. Charging at Sakurai might fail because she'd upload the evidence faster than he can run.
>>287137057Man, it’s a shame that the translations for this stopped. I really enjoyed reading it even if it pivoted from its original premise
