Why is sci-fi no longer as popular in anime as before? It's all magic/occult/fantasy shit these days
because after 70+ years of nonstop mecha people got tired of it
>>287135041funny you should post Ghost in the Shell as an example when it's getting a new anime soon, totally contradicting your point
>>287135144Then stop doing mechas?
>>287135041People are exhausted with technology, we got the dystopian future without the cool shit, so pure escapist fantasy is in
Shit's expensive unless you're making mechaslop, because a lot of the appeal is on the detailed art and complex designs. On the other hand, Fantasy has some of the lowest budget shit I've seen in a while (last episode of Champignon Witch was a fucking slideshow)Edgerunners was pretty popular recently. Vivy was also really good. But they were shows with a budget.
>>287135272Apocalypse Hotel was scifi.
>No one's watching the sci-fi shows we're not making>That must mean people are tired of sci-fi
>>287135298I guess, but by OP's pic I guessed he wanted some "serious" sci fi, not tanooki comedy
>>287135041Sci-fi is always the same thing, even isekai is more interesting.>b-but muh gundam #8173581
>>287135346If he wants more edgy ghost in the shell types, he won't like Vivi either because it's too girly for him.
>>287135041People are more familiar with technology and a lot more pessimistic about it. They've also realised we're heading for gay brain implant surveillance and hologram advertising instead of cool cyborg implants and replicants.
>>287135041All my fault B
>>287135041Watch more anime
>>287135395>They've also realised we're heading for gay brain implant surveillance and hologram advertising instead of cool cyborg implants and replicants.But those are the same things?
80s were the peak of Japanese economical growth. They were on the technological bleeding edge back then, but they have been in a recession since the nineties. Japanese are a technically stagnated society that still uses fax machines.Combine it with a socially-repressive social order where a person is a small screw in a huge machine and you get a whole new generation who wants to consume escapist media.
>>287135041The 80’s and 90’s were a period of technological optimism — people were excited about what new tech would bring.Now, people are disillusioned and cynical about technology due to seeing its destructive effects on society, so people now long for a simpler and more primitive time.
>>287135041honestly? its all the details, the work, the coherent lore, and all of that makes it far less profitable and much more time and money intensive than just isekei slop and one-frame-man anime.
>>287135172>totally contradicting your point>one sci-fi in the sea of fantasy shitshut up you cuntfucking retard
>>287135041It’s not that sci-fi disappeared from anime—it just stopped being the dominant trend. What you’re noticing is a real shift in what gets produced and marketed. A few key reasons explain it:1. Economics: fantasy is cheaper and saferHard sci-fi (like Ghost in the Shell or Serial Experiments Lain) often requires:detailed worldbuildingcomplex tech conceptsmore original writingMeanwhile, fantasy/isekai:can reuse familiar tropes (RPG systems, demon lords, guilds)is easier to produce quicklyhas a built-in audience from web novels/light novelsStudios follow what sells reliably, and fantasy is a lower-risk investment.2. The light novel pipeline changed everythingModern anime is heavily adapted from light novels and web novels. Platforms like Shōsetsuka ni Narō massively boosted isekai/fantasy stories.Compare eras:90s–early 2000s more original sci-fi (e.g., Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop)2010s–now adaptation-heavy, especially fantasyWriters on those platforms tend to favor escapism over speculative science.3. Audience taste: escapism > speculationSci-fi often asks:“What happens if technology evolves this way?”“What does this mean for society?”Fantasy/isekai instead offers:power fantasiesgame-like progression systemseasy immersionAfter stressful real-world conditions (economic stagnation, pandemic years), audiences leaned toward comfort and escapism rather than philosophical sci-fi.4. Sci-fi didn’t vanish—it just narrowedYou still get sci-fi, but it’s:less frequentoften blended with other genresExamples:Steins;Gate (time travel sci-fi, still hugely popular)86 (mecha + war + social commentary)Cyberpunk: Edgerunners (modern cyberpunk revival)So it’s more niche rather than mainstream.
Sci-fi anime this season:>Darwin Jihen>Fumetsu no Anata e>GNOSIA>SI-VIS - The Sound of Heroes>Trigun Stargaze>Yuusha no KuzuWe get plenty of sci-fi but you retarded niggers never watch it and just complain that it doesn't exist
>>287135415It's the difference between the idea of superior eyeballs and your corneas requiring a subscription.
>>287135634Thanks anon-GPT
>>287135041Anime is made for me personally and I prefer fantasy.
>>287135041now we live in the future and it sucks dicka cool future is more fantastical than actual fantasy
>>287135041It was never popular. You do know that pretty much all of these films/OVAs flopped really hard, right?
>>287135041I think it's because the current time we live in feels like sci-fi for many people, and that's what they want to get away from. They want to get away from armies of zombies looking at their phones, invasive dystopic tech invading every aspects of their lives, and the only acceptable hobby being working yourself into an early grave at the behest of armies of censors who act as the commissars to ensure an adequate degree of suffering.Notice how all of the cool sci-fi that shows any kind of promising future of reality has dried up? It's because we truly live in the worst timeline and nobody wants to really address that. When they do, they come off as either being alarmist or too reactionary to make a message you can air on TV without alienating people.
not just an anime problem, go to the science fiction section of your local book store, most of what you will see there will be books that came out 30+ years ago
>>287135806Says a lot about our society.>>287135818old good new bad
>>287135658>Darwin Jihenthat's not the kind of sci-fi I'm talking about>GNOSIAthat's a game
>>287135041Brown people, US/UK market us to influence some of the anime that got made even back then which back then they were mostly white but now more brown people and brown counties are into anime, so stuff like this doesn't get made as much also Japanese otaku have become degen NPCs with no taste. GITS only got made because a British guy picked it out and funded it.
>>287135806the internet was a mistakeit ruined anime, it ruined video games and it ruined society in general
>>287136253>I want sci-fi>but I'm not talking about science fiction>oh and that other one doesn't count
>>287136308>Brown peopleThey're the reason One Piece is popular because no one give a fuck about it for decades even after 4Kids left, people still didn't care till like around covid, shit a psyop.
>>287135041No optimism for the future, GITS is extremely optimisticNowdays people don't want to have children because they're just gonna grow up as corporate slaves waging for food
>>287136360I don't want an anime about a chimp that acts like a human, I want Cyberpunk/BladeRunner aesthetic, you braindead donkey, what don't you understand?
>>287135041I'd assume it's because sci-fi is often tied to the real world, whereas fantasy is often trying to remove itself from reality (or the uncomfortable aspects of it) as much as possible. For example, dystopian societies in sci-fi take current sociopolitical issues to their logical extremes. Even if you set a sci-fi story in a distant galaxy, completely unrelated to humanity, whatever advanced technological civilisation exists their will ultimately have to have faced the same social/political/demographic/environmental existential issues that we are currently facing or that we know we will have to face at some point - if someone writes a utopia where none of these things ever existed at all, it wouldn't make much sense. That is unless they use magical bullshit disguised as alien technology, in which case you may as well be writing fantasy. At least hard sci-fi can't escape the uncomfortable aslects of modern society in ir's worldbuilding and narrative. That is why fantasy, and especially isekai, are more popular - light-hearted or straight-forward stories set in generic, cookie-cutter fantasy worlds that don't need in-depth worldbuilding in order to tell their stories, and can conveniently ignore all aspects of historical or modern society that would otherwise ruin the comfy atmosphere - these types of shows don't remind depressed salarymen that the world is completely fucked and that things will continue to get worse before they get any better. Sci-fi as a concept lends itself to stories that reflect modern society and it's flaws.>tl;dr: Fantasy is comfier than sci-fi
>>287136645NTA, agreed. I'm not watching that Darwin show because it's ugly as fuck.
>>287136645>I want Cyberpunk/BladeRunner aesthetic>aestheticAh, so you are stupid and don't care about science fiction.
Why isn't there any anime inspired by live action Japanese cyberpunk? Anime cyberpunk is all western inspired but if you look at the live action JP stuff it's lot more trashy, flashy,body horror and gritty like closest might be Lain with it's modern Japan setting and body horror at the end but it's still not the same like trashy vibe. https://letterboxd.com/ryanismorning/list/japanese-cyberpunk/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT94oqC8Jx8
>>287136645Now I understand. But you should have said sooner that you don't actually care about sci-fi.
>>287135658>>Darwin Jihen"realistic" fiction>>Fumetsu no Anata edid not even get to the sci-fi arc and this season was total ass>>Trigun Stargazemediocre retread of an existing anime
>I want some SF>Here's some SF>Wtf, where is the pew pew and neons?Reading this just after finishing Hyperion is hilarious.
>>287135041Don't worry, the King of Anime himself is going to save the genre soon.>Next time I should go to a different place, I'm thinking outer space. Space exploration.https://www.lmaga.jp/news/2022/11/553664/>It's impossible to do any "location scouting" this time, a 100% original world not based on Earth.>Longing for Home (Homesick Taro) manga by Yoshihiro Yamada is one of the inspirations for my new work. That's the kind of story I want to tell. Focus more on big scientifical and technological developments.https://www.youtube.com/live/YMdlYcXjIl8
>>287136770Only one Hyperion novel was actually good
>>287135041I want some hard scifi. Which is orders of magnitude harder to find.
>>287136645I agree, that one Bulgakov novel where a dog gets turned into a human was way funnier
>>287136843Just to make sure, considering how this retarded thread got started, what do you mean by "hard scifi"?
>>287136843Greg Egan is your boy
>>287136837Dunno, I've only read the first Consul > Sol > Brawne > Kassad > Silenus > Hoyt
>>287136876>what do you mean by "hard scifi"?Works which uses either established or carefully extrapolated science as its backbone.And before anyone says it. Gundam is not hard scifi.
>>287136945>Gundam is not hard scifi.But Patlabor is>>287136928The sequels are all dogshit
>>287136966>The sequels are all dogshitWell according to you.
>>287135041Because the future has been cancelled.What do you envision the world looks like in 100 years?
>>287135041It's boring
>>287135041SciFi is forward facing and speculative. It appeals to people who have hope for the future, who are curious about dangers and pitfalls and failures because they feel like they can be an active participant in avoiding them. It was big in the 70s and 80s because the success of space travel gave us hope for the future of humanity, and the end of the cold war made everyone realize we might actually survive to realize our potential as a species.Fantasy looks backwards and crafts an appealing delusion of a simpler, better time that never really happened. It appeals to those who have given up, have no hope or simply need to escape from the misery of the present. It's probably not any mystery why fantasy has surged in popularity all over the world while scifi has fallen off.
>>287136994>What do you envision the world looks like in 100 years?Same as today but a lot more brown
>>287137043Looks like a cookie cutter answer designed by a redditman.
>>287135440I've never seen anyone use a fax machine in Japan. Not everything what you heard second hand from a JET working in rural communities 15 years ago
>>287137066It’s cookie cutter because people ask this dumb question every day
>>287135041Jap Scifi always devolves into war = bad or OP mecha meant to sell toys. We've had decades of that shit and it gets boring. Although I kinda want to watch animated version of Blame
>>287135806>I think it's because the current time we live in feels like sci-fi for many peopleI see no spaceships, cyborgs, ayys, interplanetary travel, teleportation devices, hovercars, recreational jetpacks, rayguns, solid holograms, true virtual reality, food synthesizers, etc.Having a personal surveillance/propaganda box in the hands of every person is not sci-fi unless you were born in the great depression.
>>287137066Trying too hard to fit in.
>>287136695>Why isn't there any anime inspired by live action Japanese cyberpunk?From the page you linked, I've only seen bullet Ballet, Casshern, and the 1980s version of Testuo. But going by the trailer you also linked for Pinocchio and the others; the obvious answer is that a lot of those films are probably incredibly surreal films that have that grindhouse feel to them and I don't think Japan has it in them to adapt something like that in the modern era. That's the kind of content that would have thrived in the late 80s and early 90s. Especially if the 2000 Tetsuo was as horny as the original.
>>287137815>Especially if the 2000 Tetsuo was as horny as the original.You mean as drill-y?
>>287135594I don't think the animators of today even know how to draw sci-fi at all, at least not with the skill the animators of the 80's had
>>287137049See, there is no vision of the future anymore.People's minds have become so polluted by ideology that the only mental measure of time passing is the number of brown people.
>>287137910I mean when you look at it, a drill is just a fancy horn that goes brrrrrrr>>287136843I think Crest/Banner of the stars might qualify. Or at the very least it leans more into hard Sci-fi than soft.
>>287138080>takes a retarded 4chan answer as proofRetard
>>287135232Yeah nobody is hopeful of the future much anymore. I'll take fantasy for a while over how shitty the actual future us. Plus there's plenty of good scfi coming like the GITS 2026 by science saru
>>287137104>Jobless NEET telling us about Japanese workplacesYeah okay and I bet you've never seen a girl run to school with toast either!The audacity of some people.
>>287135041What I want to know is why we don't get more settings that blend the two together. Those are always cooler and more unique than settings that stick to one or the other.
because old good new badwhy do thing if you already know it's bad
>>287136863Собачье Сердце is not a scifit. Русский кто читал его в детстве
>>287135041The future used to excite people
>>287138492Fantasci lost its appeal when the industry made the transition to handling all mechanical details with ugly cgi. The aesthetic is really the only thing that separates it from conventional fantasy and now that the aesthetic is ruined there's nothing there.
>>287137104They also think Japan's suicide rate is sky high and that japs work a lot. Like no troon, it only seems that way because you're the exploited foreign labor. The average jap barely works
>>287135041Fantasy has always been more popular.
>>287135041Part of the issue is that SciFi is civilizational. It's rooted in technology, and technology requires a supply chain, production l, maintenance, etc. Technology and a user of technology situates a story within a broader interconnected and codependent world. Think of any space opera: a ship needs a place to dock, it needs fuel, it needs provisions, it needs trained crewmen. It needs some kind of authority to exist who designed, built and maintain the ship. Even if your story is a Star Trek style space adventure, it's still beholden to this invisible civilizational framework.Fantasy is not. Where does the food come from? Hunting. Where do the weapons come from? Independent Smith's/tradespeople. They never show the processes by which these things are done, but just assume that they are; that the cast can feed themselves without a grocery store or ask themselves without a military industrial complex. Fantasies are rooted in lone wolves and their small, closely knit parties. They're about drifting adventures through nameless towns, passing through the world without truly being a part of it. It's about showing defiance to the king of the realm, ignoring or undermining the authority of the kingdom, scoffing in the face of the guild system and finding your own way in the world with your friends/harem at your side. Maybe you save the kingdom your way, maybe you overthrow it.The defiance and emancipation of civilizational ontology is the appeal of modern fantasy. These are stories made for people that have no faith in the authority their real lives are beholden to, and no hope for what the future of that authority holds. Scifi had its heyday when the zeitgeist was that our civilization could rise like a ride and uplift us with it to her unimagined heights. Now those heights are unimaginable, and instead we simply fear the rising of that tide will drown us.
>>287135041When I started my novel series, I opted to use "Action" as my genre, but slapped in sci-fi trappings. I also made it alternate history.
>>287138856This is a good point too, why bother doing worldbuilding? Being lazy is easy and few people think about that kind of thing when the most advanced piece of tech is JAPANESE GOHAAAN SUGOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII OISSHIIIIIIIIII
>>287138856This is also why post-apocalypse and zombie-apocalypse is so appealing to western stories
>>287138856>The defiance and emancipation of civilizational ontology is the appeal of modern fantasy. These are stories made for people that have no faith in the authority their real lives are beholden to, and no hope for what the future of that authority holds. Scifi had its heyday when the zeitgeist was that our civilization could rise like a ride and uplift us with it to her unimagined heights. Now those heights are unimaginable, and instead we simply fear the rising of that tide will drown us.Then why do I love hard scifi?Checkmate atheist.
>>287138962Reminds me of that isekai where the heroine solved a famine by inventing soup
>>287139022sci-fi doesn't have this problem because soup has already been invented by then
Solution to the responses ITT:Just make a fantasy where where they eventually discovers discovers futuristic tech like in mahou daisakusen. It could be some post apocalyptic thing, where they find the remnants of the previous hypertechnological civilisation. Or something like Megazone 23 where they're in a giant spaceship, maybe a seafaring kingdom manages to sail far enough to reach the end of the spaceship.That way the setting would be more fantasy than reality, and you wouldn't need any "hope for the future" or whatever, but you'd still get cool vehicles and guns and wires, which is what really matters. Plus, you'd get them to interact with magic and dragons and stuff.
>>287139101I'll make the logo
>the most popular movie in burgerstan right now is about a heckin smart science guy solving problems in space with a rock puppet alien Are we sure sci-fi is dead?
>>287136994What I think is possible: >Nuclear fusion becomes a thing >WW3 happens but we somehow don't go full MAD and come out of it with no single dominant superpower>megacorp structures are heavily restricted>every developed country receives proper infrastructure and education is revolutionized in an effort to recover>all basic blue collar/labor jobs replace people with machines>UBI because the required workforce has been cut to a fraction of what it once wasWhat I think will happen is just 1984 though. We're already inching closer with each passing year.
>>287138720>They also think Japan's suicide rate is sky highIt used to be like 20-25 years ago, however that is not true in the modern day. Japs suicide rate in 2025 (iirc) was actually under the USA's and comparable to a lot of European countries. The country in Asia who has the worst suicide rate atm, and in the world, is South Korea who's suicide rate is like 3x that of Japan's at the current moment.
>>2871391281984 was such a hopeful work, it's a shame people are not as excited for future nowadays
>>287136360>>287135658You're talking to the sorts of idiots who wouldn't realize that 1984 is science fiction. They think science fiction is 'space lasers, aliens and computers' and only that. Fucking Flatland is science fiction, and that features no advanced technology whatsoever.
>>287139117Did Project Hailmary's movie adaptation get popular?I don't follow /tv/.
>>287135041There's a fucking robot walking outside my job regularly being testedChina's developing sexbots as we speakNigga we're IN it.
>>287135658Trigun is a fantasy western that brings in magical technology in like the last act.
>>287139142I have to admit I only watched the movie but wasn't the protag found and tortured into submission? I thought it was meant to be a cautionary tale.
>>287139162>who wouldn't realize that 1984 is science fictionNTA but lmao, virtually every work taking place in a dystopian setting is some flavour of science fiction so I don't know how people wouldn't realize that unless they are a special kind of retard.
>>287139101>Megazone 23 where they're in a giant spaceship, maybe a seafaring kingdom manages to sail far enough to reach the end of the spaceship.>That way the setting would be more fantasy than reality, and you wouldn't need any "hope for the future" or whatever, but you'd still get cool vehicles and guns and wires, which is what really matters. Plus, you'd get them to interact with magic and dragons and stuff.That's more-or-less Despair Memory Gundam Sequel. Long story with this Gundam story that's an AU: story started as if it were an isekai, but over time, it's revealed the story is set in an O'Neill cylinder-type space colony where the inhabitants created nation-states that have modern stuff like automatic firearms and mobile suits, but the politics and society are very medieval, while that isn't the case with Earth (ruled by a typical sci-fi dictatorship).
>>287139202I think that guy was saying that sarcastically, as a dig at >>287137043
>>287138080He's part of a dying race, what do you expect? Cut him a little slack, tune him out, tell him to go back to /pol/ etc where he can cope with the other losers
>>287139163Apparently it was trending on jap twitter, I saw Mizukami and Kuu Tanaka promoting their works because of that
>>287139142It inherently is.>The future will suck unless we do something about itThe entire fundamental premise of 1984 is that its bleak future can be prevented, and that it is worth preventing. This same sentiment is mirrored in virtually all apocalyptic fiction. Either we can prevent the bad future by changing the present, or we can recover from the bleak future by learning present lessons. All speculative fiction follows this fundamental principle. "Change or else" implies that change is possible.The retreat from telling these stories at all shows that consumers no longer believe change is possible and thus does not resonate with the implicit call to action.
>>287139101Already done the point of cliche. See Canticle for Leibowitz
>>287139163No, it did not. It bombed because people don't have any hope for the future.
>>287135041Being reminded of the incoming cyberpunk dystopia makes people feel bad, so they'd rather escape into a world of fantasy slop
>>287135041It's been said milloins of times already: to make sci-fi anyhing you actually have to put some effort in it (aka more budget), whereas in fantasy settings you only need a forest, a castle, knights and elves and that's it
>>287140164This. Big problem is that not a single rich person is willing to finance such an undertaking.
>>287135041
>>287140186why won't elon musk finance an anime about going to mars or something, he's a based otaku like us
>>287140334>based otaku like usHe probably pays someone else to watch anime for him.
>>287140334otaku are passionate about things they likemuskrat doesn't like a anything except praise and drugs because he never learned how to be happy
>>287140488>>287140764libtards
>>287140164>whereas in sci-fi settings you only need space, a spaceship, aliens and le resistance and that's itftfy
>>287140806corporate bootlicker
>>287139361For me it's Jason X. Maybe it's not too late to stop sending serial killers to space.
>>287141151Reminds me of Genrikh Valk's illustrations a bit
>>287141009no it's libtards who are corporate bootlickers
>>287135041Scifi tends to push artists into drawing more precise shit more often. Not to mention going into fantasy writing with absolutely no plan will usually pay off better than doing the same with scifi. It's less relatable to modern society so some of the things that don't make sense will blend in.
>>287141460you are whiteknighting a CEO
>>287141511Yeah, CEO of based department
>>287141520You fell for the deliberate marketing.
>>287135806>muh star trek utopiaonly happened through mega grimdark WW3 shit that forced humanity to mature, fedora tip backwards religious/racial wars and of course the kindly wise autistic space elves giving humans a leg upAnd even then it was mostly a TNG thing, TOS Starfleet was pretty wild and militaristic while VOY and DS9 enjoyed pushing into moral grey.
easier to write fantasy because you can copy and paste the same DQ/LOTR inspired setting for your worldthere's no template setting for scifi
>>287135806There's nothing entertaining about seeing a happier world than ours. That's just a feelgood movie, and those aren't as popular as they used to be. Issues make you feel invested. You're mistaking a trend towards viewer engagement as a trend towards negativity - they are technically both true, but there's a clear cause and effect.
>fantasy but it's actually post-post apocalyptic sci-fiI never hate it.
Scifi used to be about imagining new worlds and new futures, but that was directly tied to new scientific discoveries and inventions that were exciting to the general public. If you look throughout the 1900s, new ideas in Scifi were often tied to things that were happening in science around that time.A lot of science today is too inaccessible to the average person, so modern scifi is mostly dependent on ideas and concepts that already exist and people do eventually get tired of the same thing over time. To be honest, there's more going on with cosmic horror than traditional speculative scifi.
>>287142040I love the way cosmic horror has evolved from "a world without God is terrifying" to "a world with God is terrifying"
>>287141460Probably a troll but both sides are bootlickers, one is just a rainbow colored boot made in China while the other is an American flag boot made in India.
>>287141942What about sci-fi that's actually post-apocalyptic fantasy?
>>287135041>>287141797>easier to write sci-fi because you can copy and paste the same Star Wars/Trek/FTL inspired setting for your world* ftfyBack to your westoid indieslop games
>>287135658You missing Vigilantes, the best of them all.
>>287135496Who are all those people buying ships in Star Citizen then, now that's an optimistic bunch if I've ever seen one
I wouldn't mind the lack of Sci-Fi if modern anime fantasy settings weren't so fucking garbageBarely any of these modern works try to create a immersive medieval/fantasy world, because they're always made like a fucking videogame with status screens and these other retarded 'mechanics'. None of these worlds feel remotely real or lived in, it's all a crutch for crappy authors who can't write decent stories, for manchild audiences who can't fathom a fantasy world without tutorials and NPCsThe term 'native isekai' was invented just to label this pure shit
>>287144189Play your indieslop then. Lots of sci-fi there. No one's stopping you.
Do science fiction writers have any objective reasons for surrendering to frustration and feelings of oppression in the science-fiction ghetto? Crime novels are another, an open-and-shut, case. Naturally, a crime novel reports on murders, detectives, corpses, and trials; Westerns, on stalwart cowboys and insidious Indians. However, if we may believe its claims, a science-fiction book belongs at the top of world literature! For it reports on mankind’s destiny, on the meaning of life in the cosmos, on the rise and fall of thousand-year-old civilizations: it brings forth a deluge of answers for the key questions of every reasoning being.There is only one snag: in ninety-nine cases out of a hundred it fulfills its task with stupidity. It always promises too much, and it almost never keeps its word.For this reason, science fiction is such a remarkable phenomenon. It comes from a whorehouse but it wants to break into the palace where the most sublime thoughts of human history are stored. From the time it was born, science fiction has been raised by narrow-minded slaveholders. Thomas Mann was allowed to work on one novel for fourteen years; John Brunner complains that there was a time when he had to write eight novels a year in order to stay alive comfortably. From shame, science fiction tries to keep some sides of this situation a well-guarded secret. (Often we hear from science-fiction authors how much freedom they enjoy in their work.)
>>287135172yeah, them doing a remake/reboot/whatever of one of the most popular anime ever clearly means sci-fi is back!
The problem is that this genre now only appeals to people over 50.
>>287135041>These daysOccult/Fantasy fiction is and always has been universally more popular than hard science fiction and anime/manga was never an exception. Hard science fiction has basically no appeal to the general public because science is objectively boring.
>>287144727But it was popular when people were optimistic about future and technology and this isn't the case now. Why would anyone watch it instead of some isekai garbage?
>>287135232G'kar was right; the future isn't what it used to be.
>>287145175old future good new future bad
>>287145202The old future turned out to be the present, so it's hard to be optimistic about the new future, or pretend 10,000 years of technological advancement didn't climax with the iPhone.
>>287145401old future good and old future is present, therefore present good?
>>287141942Same. It immediately suggests that magic/gods/the unknown are quantifiable objects that can be measured and understood, whereas pure fantasy simply tells you "it's magic bro turn your brain off" and you are simply forced to accept what you're directly told.
>>287145587it's just FTL travel bro turn your brain off
>>287145641No science fiction makes its crux around FTL like fantasy does with magic. Rarely is it ever used for more than going to point A to point B (and for good reason)
>>287145587>"it's magic bro turn your brain off"That's called soft fantasy, hard fantasy actually has a sctrict set of rules especially regarding the magic system and why things happen but it's rare that someone can write an actually good hard fantasy story unless they are a giga autist that's actually intelligent enough and interested enough to write something like this such as Tolkein with the Lord of the Rings.
The shitsekai fad hit. We are still not over it
>>287145720Mass Effect does.
>>287135346Your Forma aired literally the same season
>>287144727Not a remake, its an adaptation of the original manga that was never adapted at all.The ghost in the shell you know was all a made up fanfic by some retards who just borrowed some ideas from the original work
We got an original scifi OVA just the other day. Had some nice panties.
>>287144484My post is complaining about how fantasy anime is literally too videogamey and would be a lot better otherwise, and your bitchy response is to tell me to play videogames? Absolute professional subhuman retardDefenders of this kind of garbage being incapable of reading explains a lot >>287147937>made up fanfic by some retardsDespite being a completely different tone from the manga, the movies and SAC are still good in their own way. And the manga adapatation looks promising from what we've seen so far, stop being so negative you faggot
>>287148478>I wouldn't mind the lack of Sci-Fi if >the lack of Sci-FiYour post is implying Sci-Fi is a magic cure-all panacea that solves the issues you're having. Oh, you mean suddenly the presence of Sci-Fi doesn't cure your bitching? I'm also hearing it's "extremely hard to write" and superior? I was connecting the dots and-wait a minute, westoids do make a lot of sci-fi. It's as if there's a connection there, and westoids are atttracted to sci-fi. Hmmmm. Just saying.
>>287136721>did not even get to the sci-fi arcIt has been sci-fi since the series began
>>287148931Are you being retarded on purpose?
>>287135041we just had a movie though?
>>287148985Are you? Sci-fi does not mean "future"
>>287145175Based B5 enjoyer.
>>287148674He wasn't implying that at all, you dumb fucking ESL.
>>287135041because the real future is looking dystopian as fuck so creators and consumers are uninspired by and don't want to explore it. Old stuff barely even touched on things like the possibility of ads being directly streamed into your head and you having to pay periodic fees to turn them off. Hell in our lifetime there's probably going to be wars over obtaining drinkable water. Like what is there to optimistic about at all?
>>287149377>stop noticing my sci-fitard biases
>>287135041I remember Soraya Saga (Xenosaga and Xenogears writer) once tweeted that Sci-Fi is currently considered not commercially attractive unless you are Star Wars or Gundam.
>>287149477so nobody ever wrote dystopian fiction?
>>287149043Does this have shoddy writing like all of Umetsu's series?
>>287149119It doesn't mean fantasy rockman who can do anything because God made him that way either.
>>287135658Yeah, but it's not the kind of science fiction they like so it doesn't count.
>>287135041Because people have lost all hope for technology and the future and we have gone balls deep into escapism fantasy.
>>287138720They did And they do have long workdays, though it is like 9-10 hours of work, 1 hour of lunch, 2 hours of after work drinks and a 1.5-2 hour total commute. Outside of other east asian cultures and the USA were everyone is mentally ill when it comes to work, there are very few places where the time between the moment a worker leaves their home and the time they come back is as long as in Japan. >t. actually knows people that work there in multiple industries
>>287139101Bugle Call
>>287150134Damn, I never thought about this
>>287139361The point of 1984 was litterally just "Totalitarianism Bad" and the entire purpose of the book was to prevent people from becoming fans of the USSR, which is the country the state from 1984 is based on. It isn't an optimistic book at all. Hell, that would defeat the entire point because it would imply the USSR could be changed into something functional.
>>287144189There are a bunch of good fantasy manga that do that like Magus of the Library, but they are never as popular as the cookie cutter hero's party/videogame lvl 1 villager/etc slop. The japanese love reading the same thing a thousand times.
>>287144484>Play good gamesOkay, that doesn't solve the issue though.
>>287139162Yeah, the equivalent of people who thinks fantasy just means dragons and elves.
>>287148478>stop being so negativeMake me
>>287150927That post is mental gymnastics to fit reality into the profound-sounding "sci-fi is not popular because people are not optimistic anymore" narrative by stating that writing such a book in the first place is necessarily a manifestation of optimism.Speaking of the USSR, there was an entire generation of Soviet sci-fi writers who pretty much gave up any hope of outliving the Soviet empire and contented themselves to niches that one could describe as escapist but I'm not going to argue semantics here. This is of course if you don't count decorated hacks churning out throwaway but ideologically aligned cookie-cutter books which of course don't exist because this noble genre wouldn't allow such profanation.
>>287139162>Fucking Flatland is science fiction, and that features no advanced technology whatsoever.People are just not optimistic about going to the fourth dimension anymore.
>>287142365Maou 2099?>human and fantasy world merged to become cyberpunk bullshit
>>287154017Sounds like Kekkai Sensen
>>287135041Tech becoming mostly consumer-grade created a negative feedback cycle where consumers are made more retarded by ease-of-use, and tech becoming easier to use because users are retarded. To those people, tech is indistinguishable from magic, hence why magic in anime happens like a smartphone menu.
>>287153617Russian isekai is a rabbit hole I wish i could go further down.
>cool sci-fi setting>ayy lmao
The problem is that sci-fi is not so sci-fi anymore. Only four years remain until the year in which Ghost in the Shell takes place. If they finally manage to manufacture solid-state batteries this year, I bet the future will be somewhat similar to what's depicted in GITS, since liquid-state batteries are currently the biggest limitation for the technology today. Once they make better batteries, there will be robots and cyborgs everywhere
>>287135041it never was
>>287154520>If they finally manage to manufacture solid-state batteries this year, I bet the future will be somewhat similar to what's depicted in GITS, since liquid-state batteries are currently the biggest limitation for the technology todayHow so?
>>287135724Does it mean the Psychlos are on their way to enslave us
>>287153690You've embarrassed the guy who conflated science fiction with optimism enough already, please stop tearing him new assholes.
>>287150927I'm sorry to say this anon but your highschool book report was a D at best and your teacher just let it slide because the standards of your education system are rock bottom.1984 isn't about the Soviet Union or communism, nor is it run the way that the post-Stalin Union was run. It was responding to the very specific political circumstances of postwar Britain, in which the government remained reluctant to to relinquish wartime powers amidst an austerity crisis and the collapse of its empire. He was part of a conversation about the direction and future of Britain in which the predominant question was: at what cost is the empire worth preserving? While Orwell was planning the book, Britain had a referendum on Indian Independence where this question of the empire's future was foreground. The world of 1984 is modelled after fascism for the sake of irony because the privations of occupied Europe were still fresh memories but it also makes frequent reference to actual policies and actual atrocities of the actual British Empire because the point isn't to tell the Englishman of the late 40s that authoritarianism is bad fresh out of WW2, but to warn them that they could repeat the mistakes of their enemies.But they don't bore you with these details in highschool because that's complicated and none of the characters are American so how could you hope to pay attention?
>>287135041Scific doesn't interest me as much personally as fantasy cause I feel like i'm already living scifi and scifi for the most part is like predictions of the future based on what we have now. Fantasy will always (probably) be fantasy though with all the room for anything you want to imagine.
>>287154829>[Nineteen Eighty-Four] was based chiefly on communism, because that is the dominant form of totalitarianism, but I was trying chiefly to imagine what communism would be like if it were firmly rooted in the English speaking countries, and was no longer a mere extension of the Russian Foreign Office.
>>287150991>The japanese love reading the same thing a thousand times.And so does the rest of the world, apparently. These titles are popular overseas..
>>287135041Well, it's 2026. We're living in the "future" of yesterday, and it's pretty obvious at this point that what was imagined further in the future will likely not materialize.
>>287154896>Revisionist Cold War propaganda interview decades after the book was published Reeks of desperation
>>287154286Not that I checked but I guess popadantsi and endless S.T.A.L.K.E.R. fanfics are the staples of Russian pulp literature now. But wait, the latter is sci-fi, I guess we still haven't lost the optimism for the future. There is, no doubt, a lot of thought put into those unique works.
>>287155008I guess the curtains weren't just blue after all.
>>287155034Nor the wallpaper just yellow but you'd need to go to college to read that one.
>>287155044College is a scam
>>287154325Japan loves to make this a 3rd act twist and it's rarely been used well, if at all.
The future sucks ass. No one is optimistic about the future.
>>287156546I am. I want to see bombed out rubble in the white nations of the world (United States, Europe), etc.
>>287135041sci-fi doesn't offer anything by itself
>>287135041they age poorly if you don't set them in the far future (see Blade Runner watching pictures moving instead of a screen)
>>287135172Yeah I'm sure it will be good, unlike the last 3 gits shows.
We can no longer imagine technology being used to uplift man, reality has shown it will just be used to monitor us and remove all creativity to give us slop instead
>>287135041In the 80s it had only been one decade since humans had been (allegedly) walking on the moon. Now it's been over fifty years since the last Apollo mission and they just seem like a strange fever dream.
>>287156893>allegedly
>>287153388The issue is fully solved. Play/make the lgbt aliens and lady bosses with depression slop. You wouldn't get the appeal of slaying a dragon. Even if one or another tried to be fantastical you wouldn't get it if it kicked you in the face.I don't get xianxia but I'm not trying to change Chinese writers into making what I want and everything has to be the same. No need for that. Both xianxia, isekai and your lgbt depressionslop on spaceships can exist simultaneously.
>>287156893impressive engineering aside, all they found was some shitty rocks. Mars looks more promising, but there's a lot of work that needs to be done
>>287156893NASA’s sending a rocket to the moon tomorrow.
>>287135144>>287135203the problem isn't mecha. it's just cheaper to produce fantasy isekai slop. Doesn't help japan has killed a lot of good writers over the years.
>>287135041Technology is boring now
>>287138654>handling all mechanical details with ugly cgiI'm so fucking scared for the Mashin in the new Rayearth anime.
>>287149477That's just cyberpunk. That's a whole circle of sci-fi right there
>>287160556No, there's notIf there's no neon lights and synthwave soundtrack it's not sci-fi
>>287144189Natou-kei sounds more accurate and also tells you a lot about the userbase that popularized its plot points
>>287160699NATO-kei?
>>287135041>wtf why are trends currently not on the one i want
>>287161335It's because of societal decay.
>>287137404that's exactly the pointsci-fi used to be about extrapolating then-current trends and hopes and how the future will be awesomebecause back then material science was as its peak, the civilisation was showing great promise in material engineeringbut now we're a bit further into the timeline and we see that the trends are not physical hovercars, it's digital surveillance and attention trapswe're in cyberpunk dystopia, except it doesn't even look sexy, it's mundane and depressingnobody wants to extrapolate that into the futurean old-school sci-fi made today is no longer about the future, it's an alternate timeline storybecause rather than just run the clock forward, you also need to delete some aspects of today's civilization that will probably ruin all the excitementthe promise of awesome future is gone
>>287135041Digimon beatbreak serms to be well liked so far, and solid cyberpunk scifi.
>>287156774This. It used to be mysterious but now is too fucking invasive and the most boring people abuse it.We could literally print houses, create vr worlds but old farts rather have a camera in your toilet to know how hairy your butthole is
>>287161694>an old-school sci-fi made today is no longer about the future, it's an alternate timeline storyAnd that, I believe, is what we need to do. Avoid going into the far flung future lest you're doing a BattleTech adaptation. See what A.I.V. said in >>287138923.
>>287144815Most of the anime sci-fi people on here like was extremely cynical.
>>287161694>because rather than just run the clock forward, you also need to delete some aspects of today's civilization that will probably ruin all the excitementThing is I don't even think that's impossible. Trends along the current path aren't sustainable in the long term but they might outlast our lives at least and that fucking sucks.
>>287156893>had been (allegedly) walking on the moon.>allegedlyIt's the year of our lord 2026 and moon landing denial is still a thing despite multiple countries verifying all the landings happened as well as civilian organizations the world over.
>>287163069Next you are gonna claim that the Tartarian Empire is a lie.
>>287154520I don't see why prosthetics aren't already more common. I saw them starting to get more intricate with movement and then nothing, not even more accessibility with price.
>>287163069>>287157171>>287159072Not him but this isn't as readily provable as destroying a flat-earther.
Moe replaced it
>>287157579oh shit, the next attempt is tomorrow?sweetalso they're only sending it near the moon, but yeah, impressive
>>287163069The longer in the past it gets (with nobody doing it again) is a big reason for the doubt. Just explaining the logic behind it, not my position or belief.
I'll believe Moon Landing 1 when they make a sequel out of it.
>>287163363>but this isn't as readily provableIt really is. Civilians with powerful enough telescopes can just look at the landing sites. There's a mirror array left on the moon that anyone with a powerful enough laser can use to rangefind the distance to the moon. Moon rocks brought back as well as photographs also exist. Also the fact that two countries who were in a cold war at the time agree it happened The problem is, and this is what flat earthers specifically utilize for their own conspiracies. A lot of the evidence for the moon landing that could be used to independently verify things requires money, knowledge, and equipment. It's not something that the average person could do in their own house as their best evidence would be what historians, books, and the government tell them is true. Which is why a flat earther will say the earth doesn't rotate because "you don't feel the Earth moving do you?" even though gyroscopes exist and humans can't really feel acceleration, just changes in it. Moon landing denials always operate on some basic premises:>the governments of the world all agreed to lie on it>there's flimsy evidence that photos are fake>some people lied about having moon rocks so all moon rocks are fake>you can't fly through radiation in space>nobody could track the shuttles independent of government agencies>"we lost the technology to go back"and a few more my word count won't allow. None of these held up in the 1960s and they still don't hold up today. >>287163429>with nobody doing it againIt's very costly to send humans safely to the moon anon. Once the space race ended there was no reason for anything more than unmanned drones until recent years with Space-X trying to establish a long-term launch platform to help get to Mars. The international Space station became the big focus and for good reason, it's just more costly and viable for research purposes as well as landing rovers on Mars.
>>287135041Sci-Fi is always hard to create. And it's very easy to screw up or do stupid things, like steins;gate throwing in a bunch of retarded locks and handwave style time travel mechanics to force its story to work.
>>287163535>Civilians with powerful enough telescopes can just look at the landing sites.The sites couldn't have been prepared by a drone?
>>287163818If you assume that you then need to explain where the videos, photographs, radio signals intercepted from space, etc all came from. None of the evidence exists in isolation.
>>287163786>Sci-Fi is always hard to create.It is not. How do you think Sturgeon's law came about?
>>287136945>Gundam is not hard scifi.Gundam has a lot hard scif elements. We learned this from the last "Why is sci-fi no longer as popular in anime as before?" thread.
>>287163995How many times are we going to have this thread? I'm beginning to think it's only a regular occurrence because many /a/nons have reached an advanced age and their memory isn't what it used to be.
>>287164066>because many /a/nons have reached an advanced age and their memory isn't what it used to be.I can relate.
>>287163904Some of them can be real. Only the ones that require a live person would have to be faked.
>>287164066Most people still using 4chan are in their 40s so yeah that's a reasonable hypothesis.
>>287164193>Some of them can be real.That line of thought just leads to the joke that Stanley Kubrick was asked to film a fake moon landing but it would have cost so much money to fake they decided to film it for real. You have to tell me what parts have been faked, how they were faked, why nobody has called it out as faked when there's obvious incentive to do so (Russia would have been very happy to be the first on the moon's surface over America). Skepticism is useful but there's a point where it just becomes denial for it's own sake when there's no foundation to refute historical evidence. So tell me anon, why is it that the moon landings seem faked to you?
>>287164322I could go either way personally. I'm taking this more as a thought experiment since, like you said, the barrier to verification is high for the average person.
>>287164066This is the sci-fi future we live inhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops>The two main characters, Vashti and her son Kuno, live on opposite sides of the world. Vashti is content with her life, which, like most inhabitants of the world, she spends producing and endlessly discussing second-hand 'ideas'.
>>287164388>I could go either way personallyI guess much like when I used to go to /wsg/ to talk to flat earthers, I want to know what caused you to even approach this realm of doubt. There's plenty of crazy stuff in the world and plenty of lies abound, but what makes the moon landings so incredulous at the end of the day?
>>287135041People want to write another LotR instead of Dune.
>>287164524Well nothing has really progressed in 50 years and the US at the very least started getting rid of NASA. It feels like everything that happened only existed for the sake of space race propaganda.
>>287164622Born to late to experience space race, born too early to see race war, born just in time to...?
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>>287135041>It's all magic/occult/fantasy shit these daysFrom Epic of Gilgamesh to Mushoku Tensei, humanity never change since the beginning of time.
>>287164673be dragged down by the age of information and manipulation? I think doubt is pretty reasonable at this point.
>>287164524The flat earth thing started to be stronger again since you can follow the planes trajectories now, there are some WEIRD routes.The least schizo theory is that we are actually in the melted zone of a GIANT frozen planet, that's why the antartic is so limited and why there is some perfect tall ice wall.
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>>287164763>I think doubt is pretty reasonable at this point.Is it really?
>>287164622>Well nothing has really progressed in 50 years and the US at the very least started getting rid of NASAAside from improvements in unmanned technology, Building a freaking space station you can see with your own eyes from Earth, improvements to satellites and telescopes letting us view and map out the universe at large, and aside from civilian efforts to engage in space travel going back to organizations like Virgin Mobile? NASA isn't the only space organization in the world and you can see another Space X launch tomorrow, the long-term goal is to land on the moon and start to figure out a launch platform that will help us get to Mars more economically. >only existed for the sake of space race propaganda.Because there's nothing of note on the moon so once people landed there it didn't matter who got there 2nd. Even Americans are often likely to forget that there were more people on the moon than just the Apollo 11 mission because history doesn't care about silver medals and neither do national budgets. What did you want to happen? America sends new astronauts to the moon every other year so you can feel confident that it happened at all before you were born?>>287164775>there are some WEIRD routes.No.>hat's why the antartic is so limitedRemember two years ago when a pastor funded a bunch of flat earthers to go to Antarctica and debunked the whole conspiracy? I remember. How is that 24 hour sun in the southern hemisphere doing for the flat earth consipracy?
>>287164673Experience the new world order.
>>287164850>Building a freaking space station you can see with your own eyes from Earth>improvements to satellites and telescopes letting us view and map out the universe at largeThat's existed for decades too now.>civilian efforts to engage in space travel going back to organizations like Virgin MobileNone of those ever materialized and the biggest one has exposed himself as a clout seeking retard.>What did you want to happen?A moon base? That seems like a pretty natural next step.
>>287164955>That's existed for decades too now.Because it costs less and makes more sense than going to the nearest dead rock to our planet. >None of those ever materializedIt did, but it amounts to the ultra-wealthy getting to make a quick dip into low orbit before coming back down to earth. Or sending rockets around the moon. I don't care if Elon and whatever cowboy that ran Virgin at the times were shit people, it doesn't negate what these programs actually have accomplished. This is missing the forest for the shit on the trail. >A moon base?Why would any post-WWII nation build a moon base? What benefits does it create for them? Because if you think the US funded NASA in the 60s/70s purely for scientific progress, I have news for you buddy.
>>287164322The actual Kubrick joke is that he did do the fake landings, but as an auteur, he insisted on filming on location to do so.
>>287165052>but it amounts to the ultra-wealthy getting to make a quick dip into low orbit before coming back down to earthThat's supposed to be "materialized"? Repeats of the same thing that's been done so many times? When these guys are talking about spaceports, space armies, space hotels and airlines, Mars colonization, etc?>What benefits does it create for them?It would make for a pretty versatile tool during war having a threat looming over the head of their enemies. Whether the international community would be able to prevent it is another topic but and edge like that should've at least been a consideration.The moon's gravity is also weaker and it has no atmosphere so it may also be easier to launch rockets from there than the Earth's surface.
>>287165305>When these guys are talking about spaceports, space armies, space hotels and airlines, Mars colonization, etc?Are you surprised that the government and big businesses over promise and under deliver? >It would make for a pretty versatile tool during war What war would necessitate needing a moon base? WWII has already ended and up next are vastly smaller skirmishes and a cold war. We're plenty good at killing ourselves from surface, air, and low orbit methods. A moon base is a costly option that doesn't provide better benefits. You would have to explain in great detail why this is a wrong sentiment. >so it may also be easier to launch rockets from there than the Earth's surface.Or it might just be better to focus on going past our planet which most world governemnts aren't willing to commit money too to the same degree as 1960s America. Anyways, this has been pleasant but I can't continue this chain. Please just actually read up on the history of the moon landings and try and look at actual facts with an open mind. I have to repeat that there are plenty of lies in this world but there's just not a rational reason to think the moon landings (plural) never happened at all.
>>287165481>Are you surprised that the government and big businesses over promise and under deliver? No, that's my point. Civilian efforts are a joke, not progress.>You would have to explain in great detail why this is a wrong sentiment. It's not necessarily but the subject hasn't even brought up in a public forum. WWIII is still a constant threat used to fear monger so it's pretty relevant.>Or it might just be better to focus on going past our planet which most world governemnts aren't willing to commit money too to the same degree as 1960s America. That's not really progress either.
