>>287169834
anti-american discrimination

>>287169834
I'm tired of pretending she isn't the best girl in that series. She's the hottest, she's got the hot BPD kind of crazy, and she's objectively easier to deal with than Chizuru.

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>>287169834
She's the villain because Chizuru is the hottest anime woman of all time.

>>287171154
I really like her now that she's changed. She deserves a second chance. God just look at that body. What a catch.

>>287171154
Her design is definitely the best and also she makes the series not boring.

>>287169834
>a character so objectively correct it leaves no room for debate

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You can only fuck one

>>287172901
Is that "can" or "shall"? I'd love a Chizuru if she's offering, but I'm not going to pass up on an available Ruka for a chance that she may come around like a weird fish boy

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Mami-chan, please let me squeeze those mamies

>>287172991
Chizuru will fuck you but look disgusted the entire time while Ruka will enjoy it.

>>287169834
She's bad because the proper etiquette is to mind her own fucking business

>>287172901
I like girls that want it more. Ruka would be the winner here.

>>287169834
>perfectly flirty yet classy bikini
>innocent yet lewd little pigtails
Kazuya deserves his misery.

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>>287169834
>>287171218
>is right about everything
>ends up being the villain because FMC is the hottest

>>287172901
>Crazy and manipulative, probably BPD
>Sociopathic gold-digger
>Crazy and shit taste in men
Why would fuck any of these girls? Don't stick your dick in crazy. Sumi besto.

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>>287174170
Time to correct another retard who doesn't realize that Manami is literally the villain of Oreimo and was always intended to be viewed as such. There's a reason that she didn't get an IF story. Even fucking Kanako got an IF.

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>>287173067
The American bikini was hotter

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>>287174331
She's 100% right about everything she said tho. Kirino was already 12 fucking years old and still infatuated with her brother. Manami just wasted her and kyousuke's time being his doormat.
Kirino is still best girl for turning herself into an uber-stacy just to seduce her brother. It's so fucking sexy when you think about it.

>>287169834
How does that swimsuit even work
What's stopping the curtains from floating up and exposing the breasts?

I never got far enough into the manga to know if she was still a virgin or not

>>287175451
same with miniskirts. nothing

>>287172901
Rula and it's not even close

>>287169834
stop expecting realism from anime anon

>>287172901
I wanna have paid sex with Chizuru

i'm curious
do people hate this work because of MC not getting any pussy?
or are the characters all generally terrible
also is there rape bait ntr bait or cheating bait

>>287176684
the narrative directly calls out and makes fun of the main character that the reader may otherwise self-insert as and it personally offends them, same as why they've hated Chiramune since the first arc with the otaku

>>287176684
People self insert as Kazuya for the wrong reasons. I self insert as him because it allows me to get close to Chizuru and fuck the shit out of her. Gen Z and brain rotted people self insert themselves as Kazuya completely and ran out of patience in getting with a hot girl so they would've gotten with Ruka instead. They lack patience.

>>287175451
There's a normal top underneath the flaps

>>287176684
1. Part of the problem is that the MC randomly fell in love with a Prostitute/Escort for basically no reason and endlessly simps despite not getting any(and she knowingly lets him, for the gibs, and he doesn’t care). The MC is pathetic beyond belief and all sense.

2. The author likes messing with people by blueballing them for some reason

>>287178553
I understand not bothering to figure out what Chizuru sees in Kazuya for her to enable his constant faggotry, but for the other way around, have you even had a look at her?

>>287179489
Not denying she’s hot but there are other girls who’d let him smash and not take all his money who are about as hot

>>287176684
People hate this series because it genuinely doesn't have anything good. Do you like the main couple? Too bad, we are going to drag this shit forever. Do you like the side girls? Fuck you, they are either cheerleaders or humiliation victims. Do you have any hope of the MC developing in any way? We are never going to develop him lol. Even if you laser focus on one of the girls, you are still going to have a bad time, for example Sumi (pink girl) barely appears or interacts with anybody, Ruka (blue girl and best girl) gets humiliated again and again, the only one gets any kind of good treatment is the main girl Chizuru

>>287179558
not in that backwater town they live in where apartment buildings are liable to collapse at any given moment

>>287179599
It didn’t help that Chizuru is herself a pretty bad person who the author constantly defends in-universe

>>287172901
For me, it's Chorizo.

>>287179646
I see Chizuru on this image and I can't imaging anyone hotter than her, both in 2D and real life. Absolutely no one.
>but...
NO. ONE.

>>287179646
It’s hard for me to see how stacked the blonde is with that style of swimsuit. Pretty close to evenly matched I think?

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>>287179683
>It’s hard for me to see how stacked the blonde is with that style of swimsuit.
She's not stacked though, she has small boobies. Not that that's a bad thing, but still.

>>287179683
those frilly drapey styles of swimsuit are specifically designed to mask the underdeveloped breasts of the wearer

>>287172901
>>287169834
Idc, I'd fuck mami raw all day

>>287179739
I love Chizuru but Mami is really fucking hot too. The thing is all the girls are 10/10 hot in their own way, unlike other series where the ratings for the girls varies a lot.

It’s a little crazy that I’ve read full on porn doujins with this paid relationship into genuine romance premise and they almost all handled it better than this show does. Amazing.

>>287179787
Can you recommend just one?

>>287179787
And often in like, under 40 pages!

>>287179769
She's so beautiful. I would not hesitate to drain my balls inside.

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>>287179739
Same. Chorizo may be more traditionally beautiful but something about Mami makes me feral.

>>287180126
grok is this real?

>>287176684
Mostly because MC is revolting. Always making dumb faces, freaking out over the slightest things and unable to stop glazing girls in his thoughts.

>>287174331
That was of text is a wet fart. Manami was just being logical

>>287171510
>she's changed
Does she even appear in the series these days for us to witness this change?

>>287180047
Same. She seems the type that would try to surprise baby trap you.
I'd fucking let her too.

>>287174331
What a shitty cope.
Oreimo imbeciles are beyond retarded.

>>287172901
I'd mangle Mami to death with the most fucked up deviant misogynistic incel shit I can think of

>>287176684
>do people hate this work because of MC not getting any pussy?
>or are the characters all generally terrible
One of the biggest issue that somehow doesn't translate well is that this is first and foremost a comedy, but people take everything what happens in it at face value and meme it to hell and back. The main character is a loser and if viewed like that it gives context to his fumbles: he isn't the character you aspire to be, he isn't the character you empathize with, he is the character you mock.
At some point mocking the character morphed into mocking the series and the author.

>also is there rape bait ntr bait or cheating bait
No, but there's your typical fare for romance in manga love triangles and rivals which is too much for some already.

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>>287169834
People were so wrong about her, the author has to spell it out for them and the reality is the most basic reading of the situation possible, funny

>>287182010
>The main character is a loser and if viewed like that it gives context to his fumbles: he isn't the character you aspire to be, he isn't the character you empathize with, he is the character you mock.
Nips went beyond and actually consider him an absolute self destructive jerkass besides of a loser. Remember his incel meltdowns, his desperate need to look cool in front of a woman who simply wants simple things and his best ability: to compulsively lie and stubbornly act without thinking in the consequences.
This "man up" arc is being his self destruction arc and is bringing into surface Kazuya's fatalest flaws. It's a good thing i reread the latest chapter taking in consideration the analydis of a nip zurufag, because he realized the Sumi return not only was made to bring Kazuya's selfishness and self serving ambitions to surface. Sumi is willing to sacrifice her happiness for Kazuya's and Chizuru's, Kazuya's ignoring Sumi's feelings and is complaining why she went to a library when he rented her to be his consultant for his own ambitions.

And this is why nips call Kazuya Kuzuya (Scumzuya), because he's actually beyond a loser: he's an inmoral self destructive ass.

>>287182010
Himegasaki Sakurako is a good example of a comedy with a loser MC. It's actually funny. There's nothing to laugh at in Kusokari (well Reiji certainly thinks Kazuya's faces are funny enough to justify the bullshit story).

>>287173349
im going to cum inside her as she cringes and squirms thinking about her rent money

>>287185340
>well Reiji certainly thinks Kazuya's faces are funny enough to justify the bullshit story
It's not the faces, it's his scummy behavior.

>>287180047
It's her VA. Her breathy, haughty voice makes me diamonds.>>287179959

>>287185393
Do the Japanese seriously cum inside prostitutes? Are they all dying of AIDS?

>>287182010
>One of the biggest issue that somehow doesn't translate well is that this is first and foremost a comedy

Because it’s not funny, anon. The show doesn’t really understand tone and stuff, so half the time it’s hard to tell what’s meant to be “serious”. The Show doesn’t come off as “wow look at le horny boy doing le horny things for le pretty girl”

It comes off as “wow look at this desperate loser blowing all his money and time on an E-girl who is fine juicing him and feeling vaguely bad afterwards”

What’s the joke?

>>287169834
>>287171218
>>287172901
Whores.

>>287185340
That one is genre savvy comedy, the whole humor comes from playing with the losing heroine trope.

>>287185981
>What’s the joke?
the guy is the joke

>>287186020
>the guy is the joke

Yeh but it’s not funny. It’s just vaguely uncomfortable and awkward.

>>287185981
You just said the joke though? Otaku self-insert culture truly has killed narrative art if you can't see this loser suffer in a trap of his own making and not bark with laughter

>>287186049
>Otaku self-insert culture

What does stuff like this even mean? When people say self insert now do they actually mean the people reading this eject the main character and literally replace “Ryu from Osaka” with “[insert name here] from Cleveland, Ohio” in their head? I’ve never needed to identify or replace a character in a story to enjoy the story. That’s why Isekai aren’t really my thing, the protagonists are usually lame

>>287185981
>it’s not funny
I guess it depends if you in particular find it funny or not. It's not a gag series, that has to throw jokes and puns all the time. The comedy here comes from the character and the situation he constantly put himself in. You can look at it as a cautionary tale about modern dating if you don't think it's funny.

>>287186106
It's not quite as literal as that, but they fail the assignment of empathizing with the character and don't quite understand the meaning of "putting yourself in their shoes". They end up substituting the inner world of the character with their own inner world, their ego, and in doing so they perceive the character to be as infallible as they are and interpret transgressions against the character as personal attacks against their very sense of self. They can't just think, "haha, what an idiot, but I totally would because Chizuru is that hot", it becomes "Chizuru is a money-grubbing whore who is breaking my--I mean his heart!"

>>287179653
kek

>>287176684
The new generation of manga readers expect harem series to develop into romance and if they don't they get angry.

>>287179626
My biggest problem with is it that character and it's a million times better when the series doesn't focus on her, which is not much.
Her dream of making a movie for her grandma didn't even make much sense as the grandma clearly didn't care and it's also a stupid dream to go for a career for someone else when that person just wants you to be happy and doesn't expect anything from you.

>>287179729
Damn is the manga lewder than the anime, have I been wasting my time with the inferior media?

>>287180047
Goddamn it Mami

>>287182010
>One of the biggest issue that somehow doesn't translate well is that this is first and foremost a comedy
I feel like that's a huge issue because the show is very tense most of the time, not to mention all the emotional scenes. I guess the jokes are when the mc and chizuru have to hide in compromising positions when someone else might discover them.

Chizuru sells her pussy to middle aged stock brokers for money

>>287186390
>You can look at it as a cautionary tale about modern dating if you don't think it's funny.
I think it's literally a metaphor of falling in love with a prostitute and the only way Chizuru could be with Kazuya would be if he had enough money to sustain her.

>>287182423
Okay that's it Mami is my number 1 girl.

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>>287179769
I love when she makes yandere eyes.

>>287187150
>"Kazuya, you shouldn't chase a rental girlfriend, you should find someone who really loves you"
>"Chizuru, is Kazuya bothering you with constantly renting you?"
>"Chizuru you should give the ring kazuya's grandma gave you back because you're not really in a relationship and you're hurting her"
Is Mami the only reasonable character in this show

>>287176684
I don't know why people hate it so much, it's just become a meme at this point, most people don't know why and they think it's because there's no romance progress.
I think the show is fun as fuck and I love watching it while having breakfast, the girls are super cute and the OP/EDs are god tier too.

>>287186937
Because the manga is paced like a nightmare and the anime does a good job of tightening up the story and making it vaguely watchable? I'll never understand anons' obsession with the differing standards of censorship between manga and anime as if boob nipples are enough to make a shit story good

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>>287187217
Possibly, there's also Kazuya's father, but he is a bit hotheaded.

>>287187320
Kazuya was sabotaged from birth by his father and Chizuru is all too happy to exploit him.

How anyone defends RAG is beyond me, it's all ragebait.

>>287187415
I'd be fucking Ruka all day and still chase Chizuru just in case.

Can someone explain why the MC is willing to put all this effort into courting a prostitute instead of just finding a real girlfriend from the start? Like, if he was willing to go this far for a paid gf why not just find an actual gf instead with all that effort? He’s clearly not opposed to courting a woman he likes

>>287187683
He thinks he can earn affection and romance through persistent effort because his father lucked out finding a wife and taught him some really shitty lessons that don't work in reality

>>287187683
Oneitis. If you have never experienced oneitis, it's difficult to explain. But when you're young, the first person you fall in love with regardless of the circumstance is the one you think you're destined to be with until you're dead.
A lot of media you grow up with instills in you this idea, and the idea that you go the distance and to make it work no matter what for this person. Unwavering dedication, unconditional love, commitment. A lot of these stories have happy endings that reward persistence so people afflicted by oneitis are convinced it's not a matter of if, but wheen
If Kazuya came to the realization that he could just fall for someone else, or that Chizuru wasn't prepared to give her whole heart for him, or that the circumstances made it so it wouldn't work, the story would have been over when Ruka tried to seduce him.

>>287187750
Ok but why doesn’t he do this with a woman who won’t charge him money

If he still wants to lavish a woman with gifts he can, but he doesn’t have to share her

>>287187815
>If you have never experienced oneitis, it's difficult to explain. But when you're young, the first person you fall in love with regardless of the circumstance is the one you think you're destined to be with until you're dead.

He wasn’t in love with her before becoming aware of her existence. Why didn’t he go after another woman prior to this with the same fervor?

>>287187993
He didn't start being "fervent" until he started falling in love.

>>287187320
I like how the anime removed this scene but had the dad address borrowing money from Mizuhara later anyway, without throwing hands or yelling.

>>287188027
can't make Kazuya sympathetic in any way, that would put Chizuru in an even worse light and we all known women are perfect beings who cannot ever be reproached.

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>>287187217
Yes. It's extremely weird to consider that she's the villain when everyone else is operating on suspension of disbelief and she's the normal one.

>>287188072
Oshi No Ko shares this message. All the men are scum lol and the women are fairies unless a man ruins them

>>287187479
>I'd be fucking Ruka
There's a reason characters like Ruka (or Sensei) shall be avoided by any means.
They're fucking crazy and once they catch you, your life's fucking over.

>>287187217
I would be fine with RAG if Chizuru was portrayed as the horrible person she is, but they do nothing but present her as just and correct in her actions.

I get that most people still onboard are just here for the trainwreck and don't actually think this is good, but it's still infuriating that this is so popular. Pic rel

The reason side girls lose in these shows is because they fail to have sex with the protagonist. Most guys are decent people, and as the more romantic sex, many will feel suddenly committed if they have sex with a girl they had any level of prior feelings for.

So if they want to win, fuck the mc. I promise you that’s the win condition. It’s actually incredibly simple for a woman to seduce a man assuming there’s any level of emotional attachment

>>287187993
He did, it was Mami and he got heart broken.

>>287188190
Aqua is an edgy subhuman who thinks he's Light Yagami and he even gets called out for pretending to be an anime character.

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>>287188403
Perfection.

>>287188298
In Ruka's case, it's not for lack of trying.

>>287188523
Pop a tit

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>stop masturbating to me perverts

>>287188612
Why do her tits always look huge even tho she’s actually flat in the manga

>>287188635
push up bra? Sounds very in character

if she really loved him she'd be pregnant
if he really loved her he wouldn't be gay
this series is a comedy of clowns

I feel like Chizuru truthers would have a hard time seeing why anyone would waifu Rei either, since she has a lot of the same attractive seductive qualities that Rei has in addition to being fucking hot. She takes simps' money for the same reason Rei gets in the robot: because if she didn't, she'd have nothing else. If a Chizuru walks in front of a train and there's nobody to be kinda sad because they paid to have a date with her once, then did she ever exist? Doesn't that beg you to step in and give her life meaning with your cock? You'll have to put in the effort to know the real her and not just project your ideals onto her guarded reserved personality, but isn't that what you are doing when you project onto her your prejudices about gold-digging hypergamous whores?

>>287188945
not reading all that shit to defend a golddigger who will happily drive a college student broke and take his family's jewellery because she doesn't want to work at 7/11 to pay for her own classes.

>>287169834
didn't she have an abortion or something

>>287188982
>b-but it's just like acting!

>>287188945
>because if she didn't, she'd have nothing else

Being a stripper would unironically be more honorable than taking advantage of emotionally turbulent men looking for basic fake companionship. Her profession is actively evil.

>>287188982
It's a paragraph, my dude. Can you at least answer the question of whether or not you understand Reifags?

>>287189043
there is no talking with you animals, you actively defend women being pure evil.

>>287188403
The secret true ending.

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TOTAL HUMILIATION

>>287174331
>tells people not to fuck their sister
>somehow is the bad guy
Cope, incestious ultrachromosomic baby.

>>287189557
>ultrachromosomic
What does that mean?

>>287175491
What's wrong with miniskirts?

>>287179608
It's Tokyo, Japan. Where does it say there apartment buildings are liable to collapse at any given moment?

>>287189915
Tokyo is like a hundred little towns clustered in one massive urban blob, and one of the first things commented on is what such a glamorous babe as Chizuru is doing in the same shitty part of town as Kazuya

>>287188612
What kind of gun is she holding?

>>287187217
>Is Mami the only reasonable character in this show
Ruka said the exact same things and guess what? She is branded as a villain by the series and Kazuya hates her

>>287187936
You would be surprised how many men fall in love with prostitutes despite everyone warning him about it

>>287189987
whatever Grok hallucinated

>>287190062
People really think they can outsmart their own body chemistry. Even the fake comfort of a hooker will trick you and they know it it will.

You have to go to them with such a cold mindset that it makes it really unappealing in any sense other than getting your dick wet.

>>287190062
He hasn’t even had sex with her. There’s no basis for the infatuation except her being pretty. There’s another pretty girl actively offering sex.

>>287189038
Oh no, strippers are way worse, at least in my state where they're not allowed to show their tits in the public hall with the bar, they'll let you grope them during the lap dance, then offer you to see them naked in the private room for an exorbitant fee, leaving it completely ambiguous what else you may do to them, making you commit to doing a sex crime to see how they respond or let them take their cut and send you on their way. Much better is a structured date with a planned itinerary and a terms of service to manage expectations. Also the providers are way less gross.

>>287190094
I've fucked dozens of prostitutes and never really felt this, if anything I'm actually very disgusted by them after cumming.

>>287190229
yea, if you keep it purely physical and transactional it's possible, but sex is too close to emotion which is why it inevitably leads to feelings if you keep using the same person.

it's like FWB relationships, SOMEONE is going to catch feelings

>>287190212
In my country all strippers are prostitutes too and you can fuck them right there in a private room for like 400 bucks

>>287190364
What country?

>>287190402
Chile

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>>287172901
I would fuck Ruka

>>287190723
Nice country, but maybe lose the "specific human threat" language of your self defense laws and adopt shall-issue concealed carry and then maybe you'll be as based as Czechia

>>287190402
Every country; the only difference is the price and codewords change from country to country to access stripper snatch

>>287184530
>his desperate need to look cool in front of a woman who simply wants simple things

Meh, this is fault from Chizuru herself over all. She just would need say directly this to Kazuya instead still make him feeling as not good enough for her. Fuck, she is not able to say even the cliche "is not you, it´s me"

>>287189043
Rei is an alien, she is Lilith in human form, and anyway, she at least is presented as a victim manipulated by Gendo
Chorizo does her shit only because she wants money

>>287189875
I didn't imply anything like that

>>287190028
>Kazuya hates her
Because she reminds him of his worst traits: his obsession, his impulsiveness, his selfishness, his hedonism. She's the mirror he refuses to look at because it's the exact reflection of his own self.

>>287191706
The design, what in the design of mini-skirts leaves it susceptible to the wind and elements?

>>287172901
Mizuhara = wife
I don't care about the rest

>>287169834
Shame Chizuru is canonically a goddess walking the earth, in any other series she'd be the hottest one

>>287189557
She's the bad guy because she spent years putting down Kyosuke and manipulating him into mediocrity because she thought she was entitled to him as his CF, you illiterate fucking retard. She was also the arbiter of her own self-destruction by preventing Kirino from ever developing a healthy sibling relationship with her brother. You have to be retarded if you honestly think Manami told Kirino she was a freak out of the goodness of her heart. She did it to drive her away from Kyosuke and to hurt her.

>>287192899
A whore goddess walking the earth whose holes were already penetrated by every chad of the acting club, managers, jav actors and cameramen, ceo children, yakuza heirs and old ugly bastards.
However, she'll always reject and push away KvzvCVCK and throw him into the arms of his ex or the purehearted and straightforward ribbon cutie

>>287191913
>because it's the exact reflection of his own self.
Not even close, Ruka has done more for Kazuya than Kazuya has done for Chizuru and she has treated her rivals with way more respect (with a few exceptions) than Kazuya has treated his friends, if anything Kazuya should learn from Ruka

>>287178450
Oh, right. Hard to see.

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oneitis is the shittiest trope in the industry. Dudes, particularly unpopular dudes, are so weak to any kind of female attention that the idea of them being caught up on the first one is absurd

>>287191621
What she wants is the validation as being worthy of desire; the money provides a safe boundary and personal investment so the john doesn't abandon her like he father
>>287191219
It's her fault for still taking his money and letting this go on for so long, but the fundamental issue is still literally that he keeps calling her Mizuhara. He claims to want to know the real her but he indicates that he is only in love with the product she's selling to him. He's going to complete his betterman transformation and the first thing he's going to do is ask out Mizuhara, indicating that he didn't make the first consideration for her as a person and did it all for his own ego. And when that happens, what's she going to do, tell him that it wasn't enough, risk bursting his bubble so he goes to find someone else?
Someone outside is going to have to notice what's happening and set them straight, but anyone who can has been kept out of the loop or has an active interest in keeping them apart. Or is Mini. What the fuck even is Mini?

>>287193427
that's where his father sabotaging him comes into play so that he's locked into one of the worst abusers in modern manga (in the that fact that people insist she isn't a bad person)

>>287193493
She's just a person, my guy. What would you do if your biggest customer shows his total devotion to you and traits that made your grandmother fall in love with your grandmother, the only happy people you know in your life? You're supposed to report it to the agency and blacklist him, but what would you do?

>>287193815
she's doing exactly what she would. Chizuru is a god awful person who found a pot of gold. She's lazy, selfish and amoral.

>>287193857
But what would you do? Are you saying you're above catching feels and taking advantage of a weird status quo?

>>287194162
I know this may be confusing to broken people with no morals, but regular people feel bad taking advantage of others.

>>287194162
Not that anon, but I hope I don’t have to explain to you why it’s morally wrong to string someone with strong romantic feelings for you along just to keep receiving gifts and money from them

Yes, it obviously makes sense for a pragmatic perspective for her to encourage this behavior, but it does not speak well to her moral character

My mom once told me if I ever brought home a girl like Mami she would slap the shit out of her for being a manipulative bitch then slap me for falling for her.

>>287176684
>there rape bait
yes all the girls are quite rapeable

>>287194318
She’s unironically, less manipulative than Chizuru

It feels like the story would’ve made much more sense if the main character had a pre-existing heavy crush on her before finding out, she was a call girl and then just going along with it to be around her.

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I wonder who fits this description and if you identify with her and defend her behaviour, congrats on some insight.

>>287194213
>>287194253
You're making no attempt to acknowledge that Chizuru has a perspective, let alone recognize what it is. You all never do. That's why I need to know how you feel about Rei. Is she just a mindless doll to be victimized by the plot to you? Is she a person with an individual will that you can see?

>>287194508
I wouldn’t really call her a psychopath. She’s just a basic manipulative type. Gold digger who has found her ideal chump

>>287176684
it's a series about a bunch of bad and/or stupid people. It appeals to those who like being irritated all the time. The mc is also really pathetic in a way that's not even funny after a while. The girls are cute though

>>287194565
>look, I want to go to acting classes, but working is soooooo hard, so instead I will take advantage of this guy so I can just drain his entire bank account and ruin his life
>pweeease undustand
you are seriously not a human being

>>287194565
I acknowledge that she needs money to achieve her goals. But that doesn’t really change the fact that her chosen profession is inherently built on taking advantage of lonely guys.

She already has a potential boyfriend who will give her literally anything she wants along with all of his money so at this point, just finding a part-time job at a gas station should be enough to make ends meat

>>287194435

You do realize Mami would sabotage any relationship right? She doesn't want to see Kazuya happy with anyone and not because she genuinely likes him but because the attention is not on her. How is that less evil than Chizuru. Don't take me wrong I think Chizuru got some autistic shit going on but I think thats more of a brain defect than being evil.

>>287194700
I think she actually does like him to be honest. It was just that she had to see him going after another girl for her to realize it in her own crazy person way.

I grant you that half of her feelings are probably just a sense of possession and not wanting to lose, but I do think there’s evidence that she does genuinely care about him on some level this time around

>>287169834
>meddles in her exs matter eventho she hates him
how about she just fucks of?? okay?
also this series is pure cringe
the manga was so painful to read
dropped when he got sucked off against his will
both mcs are retarded faggots

>>287194773

She dated 2 other guys after kazuya and only broke up with them after she found out he "did better." She doesn't love him she wants him to be looking at her and even if he did go back to her she would just break up with him and move onto the next guy. She's a narcissist

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>>287194836
arigato

>>287194917
>even if he did go back to her she would just break up with him and move onto the next guy.

Not if it meant he’d end up chasing another woman desu. If we accept the argument she only wants him as a sort of trophy to stroke her ego that alone is enforcement to make sure he never goes for Chziuru

>>287194650
Her "boyfriend" is infatuated with the archetype of an ideal girlfriend she sold him in the context of a sanctioned transactional compensated dating relationship, and he won't stop paying her for dates and keeps going off and doing weird shit instead of honestly conveying his true feelings.
They're both basket cases who deserve each other and what they're putting each other through, but the main grievance you all seem to have is that the institution of rental girlfriends and families exists and feeds off the male loneliness epidemic or whatever

>>287195132
she knows she's taking too much, but she doesn't care. the fact she kept the ring for even a millisecond beyond it took to fool the grandmother means she's a fundamentally horrible person and Kazuya's biggest crime is believing his father was right that romance means effort and persistence

>>287195132
>instead of honestly conveying his true feelings.

Has he not outright confessed like three times?

Mami just wishes Kazuya would man up and do better for himself desu. But to expect more of the proxy for childish young men is a sin.

>>287169834
Please understand Slutzurufags are very retarded

>>287172901
ruka

Anecdotal but My uncle left his wife for a stripper three years ago

>>287195317
she did things to his pickle that his wife would never dream of. A fairly common occurrence

>>287195218
Every time he confessed to Mizuhara and every time it reinforces her fears
>>287195215
She wants the ring, but she wants it to be given to her and not a fictional person in his head

>>287195132
>They're both basket cases who deserve each other and what they're putting each other through, but the main grievance you all seem to have is that the institution of rental girlfriends and families exists and feeds off the male loneliness epidemic or whatever

Is that not a legitimate concern? There’s no incentive for these men to go out and find actual love if they can just pay an emotional whore for hours of her time instead.

Once again, I point out that she is not the only pretty girl in Japan who wants something that cost money. She literally has access to a sugar daddy who will open his wallet anytime she asks so I simply don’t understand why she can’t get a different job.

>>287195100

I dont even think it's that she wants him as a trophy. She never fucks with Ruka because she doesn't see her as better than her. She specifically targets Chizura because she is intimidated by her good looks and accomplishments

>>287195100
>>287195433

What i mean to say is I think Mami is ok with him dating "lesser" girls but anyone thats better than her is off limits

>>287193190
truth nuke

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>>287193190
Grvclear gigagrvke

If Chi-Slut was smart she’d go prey on some Oji-San in the financial district who hates his wife and wants comfort. Imagine all the acting lessons she could buy!

>>287195095
bastard has a comfy office
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rKrTehORY

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>>287187150
Her eyes are so pretty.

So is she a canon hapa or something?

>>287195773
Try not to cum to Mami challenge: Impossible.

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>>287195483
>I think Mami is ok with him dating "lesser" girls but anyone thats better than her is off limits
Mami thinks Ruka's mentally ill (and she ain't wrong) but pities on her and thinks she's the best fit for Kazuya.

I already telegraphed the end btw, Mami's reaction to otouto's anman is how she'll finally disown and let go of Kazuya. Picrel will serve as a reference, but i smell from a distance Mami will lash out at him and tell him she fucking hates him and wish to never see his fucking ugly face anymore.

If the mc walked in on his pet whore getting railed out by Chad From Osaka would be stand in the corner or cry

>>287195432
Her job is the venue through which she has contact with her own oneitis and she's not going to do anything about it until he initiates a change.
If your sole grievance with her is her involvement in this industry, and aren't particularly concerned with the unique circumstances of Kazuya's victimhood to consider his agency in the matter, then it's not like you have anything in particular against Chizuru as a character. She could be Yui Hirasawa putting herself through college working as a kanokari and you'd feel the same way

>>287195960
>Her job is the venue through which she has contact with her own oneitis

Stop. She’d not even know who he was without this job. You’re coping. Circular arguments. She’d not even know who he was if she worked at McDonald’s

>>287195929
>Mami's reaction to otouto's anman
What?

>>287195992
That only reinforces that your main problem is that she is a kanokari and don't actually have anything to say about her as a person

>>287195382
>every time it reinforces her fears
How?

>>287196122
Her choice of job says negative things about her as a person. What’s not being understood here? Shes not starving. She doesn’t need to do this.

>>287174331
Kanako is arguably better than Kuroneko so that’s not even a surprise

>>287174331
This. Society and Manami are wrong. There is literally nothing wrong with an incestuous relationship that does not involve procreation. Procreation is the line past which moral issues come into play.

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>>287196090
She threw the anman her lil bro was giving back to him and threw a melty at him

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>>287172901
I choose Mini

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What catchphrases would a talking Chizuru barbie say if you squeezed her?

>>287196586
That'll be 200 bucks

>>287196586
Gomennasai
I can't date you
Gomennasai
It's 10.000 yen
Gomennasai
There won't be happy rndings for you
Gomennasai
I won't let you push the hero button again
Gomennasai
No
Gomennasai
Give it up
Gomennasai
You're just a client
Gomennasai
Let me abuse of your kindness
Gomennasai
Gomennasai
Gomennasai
Gomennasai
Gomennasai
...

>>287196475
God I imagine her blushing and covering her face while I penetrate her.

>>287196211
If all you're doing is exercising your prejudices about her profession, then consider kanokari Yui. What about Sumi? You'd care a lot more about Sumi letting Kazuya give her money in search of advice she's not qualified to give if she wasn't a joke character
>>287196192
When she finally has her outburst of her name is Chizuru Ichinose, he should know because he produced a movie in honor of her grandmother Sayuri Ichinose, she lied to her grandmother on her death bed for his sake and does he even acknowledge her as a person, who does he even think he's been simping for all these years, what chance is there that he'll come back to her after his extra m existential crisis and he won't find himself in Ruka's modest welcoming bosom?

>>287197301
>extra m existential crisis
His what?

>>287197450
Typo sorry, or maybe he goes MMMMMMMAMI WHY DID I EVER LEAVE YOU OH RIGHT YOU DUMPED ME BUT I'M STILL MASTURBATING TO MAMI RIGHT NOW!

>>287196475
>wanting retarded babies

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>>287196615
>>287196715
And how would you activate the Chizuru doll's voicelines?

>>287199914
by handing it an envelope with cash in it

>>287199914
By touching her buttcheeks.

>>287199914
By renting her