A genuine question here: why don't we have another adaptation of umineko (a good one this time)? Is umineko really popular among visual novels, or is it just a niche I'm in and don't realize it?
>>287175735Too long.
should I read umineko?
>>287175735umineko is trendy to larp now anon
>>287175735"What if we tried again but not shit this time" doesn't seem to be something that investors think about very often. Doing it right is also committing to a high episode count without having any idea if it will pay off or not.
>>287175886No
>>287175938Thanks anon, I'm a big fan of mystery novels but honestly I cannot tell if umineko is good or if im being shitposted.
>>287175975My serious answer is that while Umineko is quite bloated, it's also a very good VN. There are some great rewards for people that pay attention and although I disagree with the final message, the characters really stuck with me.
>>287175735It was never all that popular in Japan compared to in the west, since the traditional western mystery setting isn't as familiar to them. The general consensus that the story fell apart in Chiru doesn't help, either.
>>287175735because episode 8 was so bad it killed the ip and ryukishi's career for good
>>287175735The peak of Umineko's popularity is long gone. There's not as much a market for it as you might think
>>287176034It was not popular in the west either. People only started getting into it recently because it became popular on X or something, and TikTok kids love to include Battler or Beato in their top 10 best characters or whatever because they think their designs are cool, even if they've never read the series or aren't interested in reading it
Umineko is garbage and a horrible mystery game.
>>287176133It was easily one of the most popular visual novels in the west in the late 00s. It even had such a passionate fanbase that Ryukishi named the Rokkenjima researchers in Ange's time after the fan translation group.
>>287176133>People only started getting into it recently because it became popular on X or somethingOver the last few years it's been slightly memed into the lets player/streamer circulation, I believe.
>>287176208That's cool, what were they called? I forgot.
>>287176800The Witch Hunt.
>>287175735adaptation are usually done to promote stuff and umineko has no new game or manga to sell at this point: higurashi sou was done to bring people to the gatcha and it was the worst thing Ryukishi could have ever done
>>287176887In theory, Umineko could be used to promote phase 2.
>>287175886yeah, I had a lot of fun reading it
>>287175886I just finished episode 6. It's one of the best stories I've ever seen.
The stageplay is the best live action adaptation of an anime I've ever seen.
>>287179045Going to samefag, to correct myself, adaptation of a visual novel.
>>287175735R07 has outright said anime investors have no interest in it. So, yeah, the flop of the original Umineko anime seems to have really scared any companies from trying it again, even it still gets merch and stuff like the theater plays.>>287175933R07 has mentioned if he got a new Umineko anime greenlighted he could write a new arc so they could use it to skip straight to episode 5, rather than animating episode 1-4 again.>>287176887>adaptation are usually done to promote stuff and umineko has no new game or manga to sell at this point: higurashi sou was done to bring people to the gatcha Higurashi Gou/Sotsu was done to promote pachinko machines. The main sponsor was Daiichi, a pachinko company (Umineko just got a new pachinko machine too, but not by Daiichi).The mobile game was a side thing just intended to cash-in on the anime's marketing, and they even had to change the company running it since it outlived Sotsu but they had no intention to continue working on it past Sotsu's airing.
Feels like every 5 years or so Umineko gets a resurgence in popularity, pretty strange.
>>287179680One of the funnier aspects of the cultural longevity of both Higurashi and Umineko is how they have memes in somehow every major era of internet culture. Endlessly exploitable in a sense.
>>287175735the purpose of anime from a financial standpoint is to either sell manga/light novels/the source material, or to sell merch (gunpla, etc).This is why many anime are never finished as they want to bait you into buying the source material to finish the story.Umineko is already finished and a new anime would be unlikely to lead to many sales of the VN. There is very little in the way of merch.
>>287175735Detective stories are best depicted as literature. You can hide clues as details so that readers stand a chance, but not be handed over every key piece of information trivializing the challenge. If you draw a puzzle, you have to illuminate the clue so much it'd be glowing.
>>287182287Also the subtext of Umineko is entirely about written media and the relationship between readers and authors.The concept could apply to anime/film but you'd most of it without massive rewrites.
>>287178554Welcome to hell. don't cheat Bern's puzzle unless you want to have swiss cheese for brains forever
>>287176067Dude was the main writer for the new Silent Hill game, how did his career end exactly?
>Is umineko really popular among visual novels, or is it just a niche I'm in and don't realize it?Japan ended up hating it (for good reason)
My favorite Umineko chapter is the one where Battler runs for King of /v/ and gets raped every single year.
Umineko is the most critically acclaimed and popular traditional VN in the west. Steins Gate is more widely known, but that's due to its anime.
>>287176034Other way around. Japan has a very strong mystery tradition, and so it stands to reason that when somebody who hasn't read any mystery novels (Ryukishi) attempts to write about them, it won't attract much interest.
>>287175886Umineko is a masterpiece, but whether you should read it depends on if you have the required patience to engage with it properly.This piece of art wasn't created for speedreading zoomers with not attention span and even less media literacy.
>>287183230Umineko's meta-commentary about the mystery genre is laughable, but it's a genuinely good mystery on par with the golden age writers.
>>287176034Insane that people still repeat this garbage. Maybe your shits so laughable that people have stopped bothering to even call you out.It spawned hundreds, thousands of fan works (not just doujinshi) across comikets and its own dedicated events. The manga run is massive and well regarded any place you look that isn't the depths of some stankass troll dungeon. They're currently selling out tickets for stage plays that run for weeks - 9, maybe 10 full stage productions, with smaller venues for the additional 7 eve stages all said and done that nobody's posting about in the west. It's popular and for some reason some miserly little faggot in these threads really wants you to think it's not.
>>287183415Even if that is true (which is debatable), a Golden Age-style work is not what the average Japanese mystery otaku would be interested in at the time of its release. The big names in the genre at the time were people like Natsuhiko Kyougoku and Nisio Isin, whose style is very, very far from what Ryukishi was trying to do in Umineko.
>>287183666Fuck, who even cares if it's popular, that'll just get into a war about merchandising. It's well received. To assert otherwise in face of not just its fan output but how many people are involved in its ongoing productions is genuine mental illness - illness I'm sure mongoloids will continue to indulge themselves in till they tire their little clique out.
>>287177023I'd nearly forgotten Ciconia was a thing.
>>287183415What's laughable champ
>>287183836His criticisms about the rules of defective fiction being limiting were already explored during the 1940's. The only other commentary is some nonsense about it being disrespectful to theorize about murders without the consent of victims/author, which is actual nonsense.
>>287183666>>287183805Maybe Japan has come around to appreciating it nowadays, but I remember their Umineko community being a complete ghost town compared to the west when the later parts of the series were coming out. They definitely didn't take kindly to how it ended, either.
>>287183867Oh I'm laughing
>>287175735unironically unadaptable
>>287175735Makes me wonder if last stage play will include a sequel bait
>>287175735You do have a good manga adaptation though? I didn't have any significant complaints about it.
>>287183873People got older and started appreciate things better or take things less seriously I wish R07 had Kodakas autism, he made that vn with 100 endings and he will continue making flop after flop but at least he is working Hell, maybe make a Ciconia anime to bait interest, also stop being a faggot with muh real war, you made stories about bullying and bullying still exist lmao
>>287183867It's really reddit. That's like me googling off paradox outta Wikipedia and calling my character Paradox Man. I call that a deep commentary. Could it be that, he for realz got his criticism off Wikipedia.... yeah, I'm onto something here.
>>287183415>mystery is...>they were bribed!>also there's a river in Taiwan thatshut the fuck up lol, the whole point of the story is that the mystery isn't important, it's the people.
>>287184158He just worked on a major AAA title. I don't think he's retiring any time soon. That's also probably the real reason why he paused Ciconia.
>>287175735Umineko is one of the longest VNs out there with a meta element based on colored text, the difficulty of "properly" adapting it into an anime is through the roof and there's no reason why any studio would take that risk.
>>287179045Visual novels are basically stage plays so it's the correct way to go
>>287184273>Unlike other mystery novels, Umineko is about the characters
>>287184730Umineko is a fantasy visual novel. The mystery is not important. You lack heart. You are a goat.
>>287184158>flop after flop
>>287175735It's too long to properly adapt in a standard series length
>>287183867Think about the presentation of episode 7, and if you can't understand how retarded this take is you're unironically too dumb for Umineko.
>>287184980>To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
I am now reminded of the actual pedo who made Star Wars videos and is in jail now. Fuck if I know who this character is, she's not really that important in Higurashi but he really simped for her
Umineko is a great read, and I don't like reading lenghty things.>>287183832>>287177023Ryu will never write phase 2 because reality got too close to it.
>>287184814The goats have hearts.
>>287175735I will NEVER forgive Ryukishi for his crimes.Also they'll never do another Umineko anime, it was already fucked up once. The fact that Higurashi's anime did some things well was already a miracle, and it also made a lot of mistakes as an adaptation.They made another one and look what happened there.
>>287183122Umineko is far better than Steins;Gate even though S;G is more popular. That vn just got lucky with its anime adaptation.
The manga did a better job with episode 8
>>287175886It's quite flawed but also great in a lot of ways. Definitely worth a read even if the author is a fucking hack.
>>287185837>Ryu will never write phase 2 because reality got too close to it.What a dumbass cope. War predates Ukraine. Ryukishi will never write phase 2 because his worldbuilding is shit and phase 1 didn't have the success he wanted.>>287183867>His criticisms about the rules of defective fiction being limitingDid he even make that kind of point? I don't remember that (unlike the stupid babble about subjective truth and muh heartless theories)
>>287185701Who?>>287186248Never forget Higurashi Gou
>>287187491S;G just gets overrated because of its anime. The story itself is not bad just not nearly as good as it's hyped to be, and there are a lot of more interesting vns out there.
I must confess my sin. I got filtered by Umineko. I went totally blind for it, never read or watch anything from the author before, I just thought the art looked cool. I really really wanted to believe it was a supernatural battle between Battler and Beatrice, so I fell for the meta and couldnt see it beyond. After rereading episode 1 and 2 I could finally see what he was doing, it feels like I was reading a totally different book. I will praise him for tricking me but honestly he made things too convulted when he introduced eva beatrice, ange, erika...And honestly some stories and metas werent necessary.... And I never felt so bored in my life reading episode 8 Although I love episode 7 it looked like the author was just tired or he didnt know what to do with his work anymore and just created another Meta.
>>287183867Is this kind of braindead post the logical conclusion of>every piece of media i read a message from the author and that message says fuck youfaggots? Is this what desperately trying to see everything through that lens does to a person?>he says engaging in the mystery is disrespectfulYou can't be genuine with this retardation. Really?
>>287189804Episode 7 was when his real life friend died and it definitely has an influence.
>>287189838>You can't be genuine with this retardation. Really?NTA but he's right that Ryukishi judges the way readers should treat a mystery in ways that he absolutely does not earn. It's quite explicit, he even has goat strawmen in his damn story. I don't know if I'd phrase it as simply as "disrespectful to theorize without consent" but it's definitely along those lines. The entire final episode revolves around preventing an inconvenient objective truth from coming out.
>>287176008>I disagree with the final messageWhy?
Ciconia Phase 2 announcement tomorrow
>>287190116Wasn't that during episode 6, and thats why it's the worst episode?
>>287190119I don't understand how you can think that the goats represent specifically his readers in such a literal sense. Just because the story is very meta doesn't mean he's shitting on the entire genre and telling most of his fanbase they're objectively wrong for how they tried to engage with it. He's using the framework of authors and readers to play with the concept of "inconvenient truths", but that's hardly suggesting that you should have realized on your own how much more important living in denial (of fiction!) is than theorizing about it. To suggest that is just completely losing touch with reality.He's just having fun, and the readers should try having fun too. Of course, it's fine if you don't enjoy it, but it's very confusing how people develop a persecution complex over it.
>>287190162Seems kinda defeatist and hedonistic
>>287188030You can still find his vids on YT. Some shit about Kreia and he used that girl for his avatar. KF found that he used it to avatarfag on various boards to simp and admit that he fucked children in east asia
>>287190458>I don't understand how you can think that the goats represent specifically his readersIt doesn't have to be HIS readers specifically for the way they engaged with Umineko specifically. It could be, it could also just be a general comment. It's an issue either way. The goats are incredibly weak strawmen for the """heartless truth""" side. Erika herself is never really allowed to stand on a decent footing because the story is too busy having her act like a retard and calling herself THE INTELLECTUAL RAPIST while cackling like a bitch.I guess you can say "it's all fun and games, don't take it too seriously". Maybe? But it's a story that goes on lengthy armchair philosophy monologues about the meaning of truth and mystery. It's being touted as this incredible trip that gives insight on humanity and change people's lives. Some people have compared it to the fucking Bible. Even if you don't want to bother with all that baggage I think you can't really entirely sidestep what seems to be Umineko's message and (sadly) the ways Umineko fails to handle this subject, at least in my opinion.
>>287190559>Literally copy pasted his post from the Higurashi thread>Doesn't know Rika is the MC of Higurashi>Doesn't know that Erika and Rika are different charactersIs this a bot?
>>287190247I find it funny how Ciconia was delayed for so long that AI tech popped up, and it's the kind of thing that you would probably expect to be brought up in that kind of story.
>>287175886It's the best thing I've ever had the pleasure of reading.
>>287190162Being anti-truth is evil. The truth is an objective good, regardless of what people do with it. The entire finale of Umineko is preventing the truth from coming out because it would make someone sad. It's offensive.
>>287190559Rikafag is in jail?
>>287190931Not the one you are thinking of, unless its this guy. https://youtu.be/K6w2FlYd99s?si=iLznMdCyP3eg_kNx
>>287191023That's Rikafag. Why is he in jail?
>>287175886It has the greatest character cast ever. Every single one of them is memorable and endearing, even if a lot of them are complete assholes.
>>287191107Maybe if actual good characters didn't get shafted for one note retarded magic thingies
>>287191065Made CP of his sister per Kiwifarms. Its Canada, so I took it with a grain of salt at first, but I get the impression its actually CP. This is all rumor and innuendo from what I can tell though and I get the impression the guy who brought it up is trying to derail the Higurashi and Umineko threads for some reason.
>>287191107All the men are severely underdeveloped. The two leads get character assassinated after the question arcs. The best character is only introduced 60% into the story.
>>287191268Battler is one of the best protagonists in fiction and Kinzo has incredible charisma and presence. The female characters are better, but some of the males are good too. Also, nobody got character assassinated you retard.
>Umineko has real characters, not robots that commit murder>Ignore Genji, who is a robot that commits murder
>>287190630Of course, a few steps back and more abstractly, sure. It's not hard to argue that maybe it's a message about how to live your real life, valuing trust and connections over obsession with facts - not one I really agree with to any extreme, but in a way it falls in line with the power of friendship in Higurashi.I'm not trying to say there's no message at all. I'm specifically arguing about whether it's a comment on the way the medium should be approached. There's a big difference between "there's more to life than cold hard rationality" and "engaging with mystery is violating the fictional characters and you should feel disgusted with yourself".Decent writing is an exploration of an idea, and should take that idea seriously to the end. But taking it seriously doesn't imply that they're trying to discredit everything else, or suggest that this should be the new modern meta. The idea doesn't even have to align with the author's beliefs, although that's probably not the case here. But his beliefs are almost certainly about reality and not about media.As for people putting it on a pedestal, that's getting pretty far from the author's intent.
>>287191338Endgame Battler stands for the exact opposite he did at the beginning of the story. That's not an evolution, he became a different person.
>>287191487I'd also become a different person if I went to a higher dimension outside of time for years to get tortured and locked into a logic game with beings beyond my comprehension, while being forced to see (or make) my family get murdered horrifically again and again
>>287191465The problem is that Umineko did not successfully explore that idea. "Don't spread the truth because it might make someone sad" is completely asinine and indefensible.
>>287191555Ange's entire character was an exploration of that idea
>>287191338>BattlerkekHe was utterly raped in the Answers arc and just kinda nice in the Questions one. If anything most of the depth Battler has (like the way he coped with his family life being destroyed and forgiving his father) was offscreened.
>>287175886I think it's a good story for the unformed and illiterate fucklings of our collapsed and financialized society (and its cheeky yellow vassal!)
>>287191465>maybe it's a message about how to live your real life, valuing trust and connections over obsession with factsThat's a reasonable message and I can agree it is at least part of the point of Umineko, which is to be expected, just like Higurashi. Nothing wrong with that. My gripes tend to come with the extremes Umineko seem to go for sometimes, especially when tackling very specific themes or situations. The less specific Umineko is, the better, usually.Let me give you a positive and negative example. Erika's relationship to truth, her backstory with the boyfriend? That's pretty good. It's a coin toss basically, unverifiable information, all you can do here is trust/faith. It's a personal choice. Yeah, from this perspective I can agree with Umineko telling you you might want to take that step despite not knowing.But once you get to more specific things, like Ange having to pretend everyone in her family was an angel? Fuck no. The part where we're supposed to pretend her cartoonishly evil abuser Eva wasn't so bad after all? Sorry, Ryukishi lost me here.>There's a big difference between "there's more to life than cold hard rationality" and "engaging with mystery is violating the fictional characters and you should feel disgusted with yourself".Of course, but sadly the way Ryukishi wrote these things, he either intentionally or unintentionally put elements of the latter in his message. Well, it's hard to "prove" decisively, you'd have to read it again and compare lots of those quotes, but personally I at least felt like it.
>>287191774Also, >>287191580not that anon but I think a lot of Ange's side was left unexplored. Like, the trick ending is 5 minutes long and presumably turns Ange into an intellectual rapist, maybe edgy. They even force her to kill people (in self defense) so that she has blood on her hands and it's seen as bad (even though what happened in the trick ending was obviously a good outcome, a miraculous save).By unexplored, I mean stuff like>maybe indulging in lies ("subjective truths") is a bad way to handle things and will hurt you more in the long run?partly explored but shot down since this more or less ended up being Ange's answer>maybe you can accept bad things existed and still move on? You can be inquisitive of the truth without losing your heart and soul?>maybe you can just move on and think about something else? Maybe the issue is a bunch of people just bullying the shit out of a little girl like Ange for shits and giggles instead of the meaning of truth?
>>287191774>My gripes tend to come with the extremes Umineko seem to go for sometimesGenerally I agree with this. Personally, Erika's story didn't come off to me as a situation where she actually could have been wrong, even though that was the point. Maybe it was too grounded for me to avoid bringing in bias. I enjoyed reading that scene though.For Ange, to let go of her obsession with finding a truth that won't change anything about her present situation would be a much better resolution than creating a comforting fantasy truth of how much better her life could have been if only everyone wasn't fucking dead. Which is somewhat in line with >>287191860
I took the Magic ending as a sort of recognition that escapism can be comforting and a net positive for people who have undergone some trauma, but I'm an idiot, so maybe this is the idiot's perspective.
>>287193174You're not wrong about it but I feel like the implications of the way magic was presented are too broad. If the magic ending can start pretending Eva wasn't absolute scum then literally anything can fly
>>287193174That's a terrible message. You can use the same logic to be pro transsexual. "Sure, a man can't literally become a woman, but you should play along with their delusion because it makes them happy."
>>287193346Sure, a lot of Umineko is "too much." Whether its excessive repetition or too far fetched of depictions/implications. I do think fundamentally flawed people who have done lots of bad things can have soft spots, deep soft spots even where they will show cruelty and do great harm to most everyone or everything except one person or thing. Eva's attachment to George and Hideyoshi is shown throughout all of the chapters. Instead of>pretending Eva wasn't absolute scumIts a generous interpretation of her soft spots.
>>287193346Eva being scum is up in the air, Ange is very unreliable and the only somewhat trustworthy scene we see of Eva is when she is on her deathbed.We know for a fact that Ange's parents killed everyone and that Eva knew it but she somehow never told Ange despite supposedly hating her to death, and took the secret to the grave(at least until her diary was found).
>>287193725Other people definitely don't have to play along with the delusion and admitting its a fantasy that you deliberately engage in or even lose yourself in is very important. Like the example you gave, when people engage in fiction or fantasy without acknowledging it as same, serious problems arise.
>>287193779>samefaggingOr if they start seriously believing the fiction or fantasy and try making it a reality thats even worse and worse problems arise.
>>287193762>Eva knew it but she somehow never told Ange despite supposedly hating her to death>Somehow>implying Ange would believe anything that comes out of Eva's mouth, especially the truth
>>287193762Ange being unreliable is one thing but there are so many elements portraying Eva as UNBELIEVABLY evil towards a little girl that you can't really think Ange imagined everything
>>287193762>the only somewhat trustworthy scene we see of Eva is when she is on her deathbed.Bro, reread that scene. Eva was a piece of shit.
>>287194004You can also reread the many scenes where Ange tries to pretty up being a piece of shit. Eva tried to put on a brave front for years. Maybe it just got easier to be mean.
>>287194238>Ange tries to pretty up being a piece of shitSuch as? Shirking her responsibilities as a student is quite negligibleEva actually had power, insane amounts of power over Ange. Ange was an autistic loner. It's easy to believe Eva abused Ange because she had the means and motive to do so.At the very least if you take Eva's death bed scene seriously you have to accept Eva died cursing Ange, making her inheritance as public as possible so that Ange would suffer the most, which leads to Ange getting murdered in the EP4 version of the timeline (by Amakusa, but she'd have gotten killed by her aunt anyway). So bloodthirsty.
>>287194311It's pretty clear that the real Eva was a piece of shit and any nice interpenetration would hold just as much water as the nice version of Kinzo in ep 8. Actually, it would hold even less water, since Eva's deathbed scene is canon while none of Kinzo's are.
when I was reading Umineko when Shanon appeared I thought: "Those boobs look fake" and after Seeing Kanon: "I bet it's a girl pretending to be boy". Lol after finishing the whole thing I looked back and cant believe I was in the right track in the very begining.
>>287194915It becomes really obvious if you watch the anime.
>>287194311Eva sent Ange to a fantastic school, provided her bodyguards, kept a secret she knew would send Ange hurtling off a rooftop, and raised her quite a bit like she raised George... because she's evil like that. What a bitch.
>>287183867>>287185174Absolute drivel by a moron that hopes a laugh gets you to overlook how little he thinks, the goat allegory embodies another.Disrespectful to theorize about murders? The whole fucking game requires you to theorize about murders. It's a fucking murder mystery. You wouldn't be able to create or attack a single closed room without theorizing about the murders. Every character in the game is either striving toward the truth of those murders, or actively attempting to use it to their advantage. You were filtered, shown that you were filtered, and now are forced to laugh that off - so nobody has to realize how fucking dumb you actually are.
>>287176034>since the traditional western mystery setting isn't as familiar to them.retard.
should i read umineko? is batler literally me?
>>287195974She literally murdered Ange herself. Laughed about it too.>>287196961>should i read umineko?It's fun, but long. Maybe?>is batler literally me?Only if you're a faggot.
>>287196850Umi defenders cannot answer the simple question of what moral is Ange's story supposed to have. They'll tie themselves into pretzels to avoid the question, because they know it's wrong.
>>287197042>spoonfeed me... spoonfeed me....
I remember this story being insanely christian, especially the last couple episodes.
>>287196961Probably. It's unique.Battler is literally me every time cool music starts playing and he's a faggot every time he does something wrong.
>>287175735Legitimately would just be too much effort. Also a big commitment. I hear Umi Stage is really popular so I wouldn't say it wont ever happen, but chances are slim. At least it has an amazing manga.
>>287197042Pretty much this. I'm not even a huge Umineko hater (okay I kind of am but I'll acknowledge its merits) but even I can see the best defense you can go for with Umineko is "heh..... just replace the very specific message with something far broader and ambiguous that doesn't fail in the same way, both logically and morally speaking".Also "without love it cannot be seen". Actual cult behavior sometimes.
>>287197065Example A of the pretzel strategy. Example B will be calling you a goat.
>>287195172Anon, the anime came out before the VN was finished, like Episode 6 wasn't out when the anime finished airing.
>>287197359I mean its just because explaining it takes a lot of effort so most people stick to the meme lines
>>287175735I mean each VN is like 10-12hrs worth of time. Just read the manga if you want something different.
>>287197359I like example C, where I call you a dumb faggot again.
>>287197412Correct. The anime gave hints about the answer. R07 worked the anime staff to allow for that.
>>287197448True, writing up a long-ass essay where you avoid saying anything like a politician takes a lot of work.
I don't care about the mystery or the message.Erika was the most entertaining character I've seen in a while and it's really all I needed to love Umineko.
>>287185701Good, jail is where he belongs.He used to insist on /07/th threads that Rika wanting to grow up as an adult is just an "otaku joke". It seemed that he was more latched on to her design rather than on her character/personality
>>287190116>>287190410Before Answer Arcs, from what I've heard. That's why the story takes a huge tonal shift and feels different compared to Question Arcs.There were a lot of plot points sprinkled in Question Arcs which were cut from later game, like Jessica's asthma, and apparently there was planned more development on Evatrice
>>287197042Ange's story can be interpreted as simple as "You create your own happiness"
>>287198284It's a cautionary tale of what happens when you don't.
>>287189804>I really really wanted to believe it was a supernatural battle between Battler and Beatricebro it's not? why would any one want to read something else than this? this is like baking an apple pie and smugly saying you filled it with cardboard instead
I watched Joseph Anderson read Umineko and it was fun
Just make sure to read Umineko with the PS3 sprites, ok?
>>287198095Honestly I agree. Umineko is pretty fun when it tries to be and I want to fuck Erika (or rather I want her to fuck me)
>>287198349Anything interesting about that playthrough? Did he bitch? Get spoiled maybe?
>>287198095based and same
>>287175886No, its very bad and long.
>>287198095Umineko contains the greatest collection of voice performances of all time.
>>287198394He bitched a ton, but still enjoyed it. He read it because of his discord GF. They broke up after (LOL).
>>287198457The actors and actresses for the stage play get this too, awesome production
>>287198461>They broke up afterI knew there was a punchline, thank you. Bet there are some quotations between GF in "discord GF".So he's done now?
>>287198472yeah it's awesome, I've only watched the first four so far but the stage plays really "get" umineko
>>287198394it was fine, except when he invited a dub voice actor on near the beginning. he even managed to avoid bitching about intellectual rapist. there's probably not a better lets play at the moment, although that's more of a comment on the rest of lets players.
>>287198652I mean...>VN lets playsCome on. Even I, who can see the appeal in anime reaction videos (back then at least) wouldn't watch VN lets plays.
>>287198652I've only watched two people read Umineko and the low subscriber woman I watched was far more insightful, less obnoxious and more invested then Joseph.
>>287175886It's a very long read, and a very, very slow burn. If you have the patience to read things like Subahibi or Fata Morgana, go for it.
>>287198652The best Umineko LP is probably Jokrono. The guy actually theorized and stumbled his way into solving the epitaph by ep 3.
>>287198457True, but I also found this so fucking good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe3ywypkDd4>>287198349I didn't like the tranny and the try-hard friend.
>>287198949>trannyIt was a (fat) biowoman.
>>287199006>It's not shit, it's pissOkay
>>287198457Yeah the voice work in Umineko is REAAAALLY good, I absolutely loved it.
I really like the ambient sounds in umineko. The rain sound so organic.
>>287198698Was it Rose Matter? Hers was the only Umineko LP I could bear. Probably the only one who didn't ever attempt to do "joke voices" or anything like that.
>>287199891Yes. Nothing overly obnoxious or irritating. My saying "watched" in the other post was a bit of a misnomer, I work long hours and like having background noise, so I used both her and Joseph's read throughs as background noise and vastly preferred hers, you can tell she's a normie with some of her complaints about Battler's early pervertedness, but thats like a few minutes over the course of 200 some hours.
>>287199364Same, the ambiance really sucks you in
What really grinds me about LPers is how much they get triggered by simple shit like "intellectual rapist". Like, they actually issue trigger warnings when reaching that part.
>>287200171Give me examples, I crave cringe
>>287200171This is why you ignore ecelebs and twitch streamers and watch the ones with less subscribers.
>>287200286or just ignore them all
>>287200202Joseph Anderson. His co-LPers issued a trigger warning for it in advance.
>>287200171If they want to say "you're about to see a very bad word and I'm not going to say it" that's cringe but tolerable in small doses. What really bugs me is when they start compartmentalizing the writing and complaining about how it's a shame Battler keeps talking about Jessica's boobs because it really takes away from a work that the zeitgeist has otherwise accepted as great. Just shut the fuck up. Being a virgin media consumer that is still made uncomfortable by the smallest transgressions on your immature moral compass isn't the sin, declaring that being made uncomfortable by media is actually a problem that really should be addressed is where a line is crossed.>>287200619It could be worse, some of them intentionally use a bad translation to avoid the subject.
>>287175735Maybe because it's actually bad?
The absolute fucking state of this board holy shit
>>287201123If you are talking about the e-celeb shit then yeah I'm right there with you.
> excited Umineko fan to read his favorite visual novel for the first time
>>287201342That's how most popular things are consumed these days.
Did you know that Ange's birthday is on June 17, 1980, and that, without fail, the family conference is always held in October? Therefore, a certain promise made in 1980 would have come after Ange's birth, which is impossible, as Battler left because of the circumstances surrounding Rudolf quickly remarrying to prevent Ange from being illegitimate. Ergo, Ange Ushiromiya does not actually exist. She is a fantasy character.
>>287201861Please don't hold authors to unrealistic standards like sketching up a timeline to sanity check. She was born at some time, that's for sure.
>>287201861What about the fact Yasu knew several months ahead of time that Ange would be too sick to attend the 86 conference?
>Iceberg level 4: Jessica actually DOES have asthma, Yasu has psychic powers, The gold in the basement is painted foam (Kinzo spent it all on booze)
>>287202350Taiwan is a fictional location.
>>287175735I don’t believe a good adaptation will ever exist, but I’d love to see the director for Bakemonogatari and the Kizumonogatari movies (Tatsuya Oishi) to adapt some moments from it.
>>287198457Jessica’s voice actress during the first deaths in episode 1 was so good it made the scene much more disturbing. It made me think the voice actress really did stumble upon the corpses of her entire family.
>>287201963She used magic to make her sick, are you stupid?
>>287183230>>287183415I remember finishing the first episode and detecting a not-so-subtle butthurt toward the whole of the mystery genre. It felt like one of those parodies born from hate than one born from love.
>>287205275Ryukishi might be a hack but I'm pretty sure that at least everything he wrote up to the death of his best friend was all genuine and out of appreciation.
Reminder
>>287205318I find this line gross, and I wish people would let it be. You're not a fucking 'hack' when you have help from loved ones. Nearly every author on Earth has had the experience of consulting family and friends in subtle or explicit ways. It's not ghostwriting in the slightest. It's having another human being to talk to.
>>287205515I didn't mean it like that, nothing wrong with writing for a friend or having someone you trust be your beta reader.He is a hack because some of the shit he writes is really bad, not because he wrote for a friend.Chapter 6-7 do feel "bitter" and less genuine than the early chapters, but I don't blame him for that, it's to be expected when his main motivation to write died suddenly.
>>287205139>>287205139I always assumed that Yasu had her poisoned because even he wanted to take mercy on Ange.
>>2872055766 and 8 do feel extremely odd in their VN portrayals. There was clearly a mourning beneath the surface that was specific to the author. 7 stands out as a work that is almost clinical in how it works in both VN and Manga format almost exactly. 8 was completely transformed later. 6 is kinda left as-is because it's total crap.
>>287205275Considering the final message in Umineko is anti-truth and pro-fantasy, it's hard to imagine him actually enjoying the classical mystery genre as a whole.
>>287175975Serious answer:Umineko is a very good VN with pretty bad prose and you could cut like 30% of its wordcount out.If you're seriously into mystery novels specifically and want a mystery novel then do not read Umineko. It is a metafiction story about mystery novels, not an actual mystery novel. The focus is heavily on the characters and the idea of what truth is, not on solving a mystery.
Imagine the kind of person that spends a hundred hours with something and comes out saying they learned nothing. That there is no point to what they just did.All the mysteries were fake, didn't matter, weren't even thought through.
imagine having a profound truth that you alone understand, yet are somehow incapable of putting into wordsthat must be an extremely dark place
This must be all one big trick. The author just wants you to waste your time. These people spending months, years making their own little tributes to it must just be insane.
>>287199891>joke voicesFucking hate this shit.
>>287175886Statistically no.How much you like it mostly depends on whether you managed to engage with it correctly.If you have any intention of reading it, leave the thread now and learn no more about it until you are done. Outside perspectives can color your impression of it quite drastically, it relies on you not knowing certain things for many of the strong emotional points.
