What are Zeon's economic policies? Or do they not elaborate and you're supposed to automatically hate them because they're space Nazis?
Reminder that the Feddies rape teenage girls. Zeon is good. Only their leaders are mass murderers and supremacist schizos. Sieg Zeon.
>>287177627>supremacist schizosWhat if they are superior and it's not schizophrenic to say so?
>>287177559why is it that this movie sucks for the first hour and a half but the last 30 minutes or so is the best thing the UC has to offer?
>>287177559>Or do they not elaborate and you're supposed to automatically hate them because they're space Nazis?That's enough of a reason.
>>287177559brah, they keep committing war crimes, that alone is enough to hate them.Even though they have a kickass uniform and and even more kickass robots.
>>287177559The Federation are the real Nazis.
>>287177734It's a bad movie. Or it's just the same as Char's writing throughout the UC timeline (messy as fuck, in other words).
>>287178150>messy as fuckUnironically should have paid more attention. Or you missed the entire damn point about Char as a character.
>>287177734>the best thing the UC has to offerOP did not post Encounters in Space though.
>>287178297>Unironically should have paid more attention. Or you missed the entire damn point about Char as a character.Copypaste reply from Charfags. Every. Damn. Time.
>>287177668>What if they are superiorThe Zabi family were little bitches. Zeon didn't even have a Newtype leader until Char took over.
>>287178297>write a character differently in various entries of the same franchise>pay attention to fujoshi wanting more Char>end up with a character that is either inconsistently written or is a schizo manchild>"muh complex writing"Heh.
>>287178691Not even a char fag, that guy's a bitch. And if you keep getting that sort of reply, maybe you should start thinking perhaps the problem is on your end. In fact, a huge point of him in OG series, Z and CCA is about Char being a petty bitch.
>>287177627I just finished watching the original, zeta gundam and char's counterattack.Genuinely, outsize of zabi's family schizoid tendencies the federation did everything in their power to deserve everything bad that happens to them and to anyone who supports them.
>>287178805>Genuinely, outsize of zabi's family schizoid tendencies the federation did everything in their power to deserve everything bad that happens to them and to anyone who supports them.You should watch ZZ to fuel that EFF hate.
>>287178747The writing was consistent, char was fucked up and fucked over ever since he was a child, in CCA you can see it from the first minute he's depressed as fuck, he's forced into the role of the zeon leader, something he never wanted to be and something he states both in CCA and Z by referencing to that position as a "clown", he didn't even want to drop the asteroids, it's what his people wanted him to do, hence why the "amuro please feel my presence" and him giving to the federation zeon's secret weapon, the psycommu.
>>287177734pushing off axis with your bros and enemies evokes something primal inside.
>>287178891Eventually I will catch up with everything else, right now I just finished gquuuuuux and started origins.
>>287178747>write a character differently in various entries of the same franchise1st series: wants revenge against Zabi, meets Amuro, gets mad at him over his new type shit, the whole lalah thing, believe spacenoids is the future2nd series: Zabi gone, still mad over Amuro (they literally had a very passive aggressive back and forth when they met up again), only nominally on the same side as Amuro because Titans is a bigger threat and Amuro got fucked over by the earth feddies as well. Still believe spacenoids is the answer, literally part of a group called ANTI EARTH union group, disagree with Hamarn using zeon for her own purpose, not unlike zabi, so him and the AEUG gang fights her neo-zeonCCA: STILL mad over Amuro. This time, there's nobody else standing in his way, he finally takes the center stage to do his own Zeon. But as said, he's a petty guy who still cannot let go of Lalah and his little squabble with AmuroNo, it's not complex. I'm saying it again, you lot just didn't pay attention. The plot and characters are fairly straightforward and Char didn't behave differently, he's always been petty and let his personal demon run him, you people just are too basic bitch for such a simple thing.
>>287178750I used to have that sort of opinion about Char and Charfags always told me that it was wrong. So now it's considered the best interpretation or what?>>287178917>>287179030>the same copypaste projections from PledditYeah, you're right. Don't forget about your meds.
>>287177559Republic of Zeon is good before Zabi family took over and turn Zeon to space Nazi and fully commited to mass murderer but Feds is not a good guys either in fact they're rooten to the core and deserved every shit that's coming to them
>>287179030>No, it's not complex. I'm saying it again, you lot just didn't pay attention. The plot and characters are fairly straightforward and Char didn't behave differently, he's always been petty and let his personal demon run him, you people just are too basic bitch for such a simple thing.Not that Anon, but why are the fans of Gundam so... Inconsistent? I remember intense discussions I had about Char with hardcore Gundam fans. I mentioned almost one to one similar arguments like you did and I had got the same reply you gave to that Anon, with the only difference being "not understanding Char's depth".
>>287179030>>287179164>>287179209I hate that Moon Gundam and GQ have become basically another Charwank shit.
>>287177559Drop ColonyProfit
>>287179030You could just copypaste your favorite post from Reddit, retard.https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/comments/1i94v5y/ive_seen_this_interpretationtheory_about_chars/
>>287179164You are mentally retarded.
>>287179209>but why are the fans of Gundam so... Inconsistent?Holy shit, people have different interpretation of things...? Seems more like you're just retarded. Is gundam the only thing you follow? What, you don't see people having different interpretations in other works?>>287179164>hurr pleddit hurr medsYeah my bad, that's on me. I thought I can have a proper conversation, I was wrong, you're not discussing in good faith to start with.
>>287179250>Earth is being ruined by humans>so I will ruin Earth and destroy humans living on it, alongside plants and animals and shitWow, what a distinguished and sophisticated strategy.
>>287177559I'm interested in this debate but I just also wanted to answer a captcha. Proceed.
>>287179209Autistic series for autistic fans. The most mad I've got by anime discussions are always Gundam discussions. You'd think we would agree since we all like Gundam, but this is some civil war shit.
>>287178941Where's space Patton to tell everyone how retarded they are for fighting the wrong enemy?
>>287179266What exactly is the point you're trying to make here? That you're too dumb to think for yourself and mad that people call you out on it so now you have to resort to the usual muh reddit?No, you fuck off retard. People like are unironically why communities go to shit. It's hard for you retards to comprehend, but some people actually do like having discussions about things, unlike your types who can only do halfwit cynical lol shit sucks retorts with zero attempt at thought.
>>287179272Different interpretation doesn't meant screeching like chimpanzees at anyone who has a different opinion about polarizing subject. Just admit there are things that trigger Gundam fans to the point of them having mental breakdowns, only because their opinion differs. You have mentioned good faith and stuff, but I don't see it coming from people that ganked that anon from before for his critical opinion about Char, so it comes from both sides, I guess.
>>287177559They don't have any explicit economic policy and their rebellion isn't economic in nature; zeon is solely concerned with self-governance of spacenoids, they don't care what kind of economy a space colony has as long as it isn't under feddie control
>>287179268>>287179363>random person says something>Gundam fans disagree by calling that person a retard all while pretending to be "that civil intellectuals"KEK
Char and every other character in Gundam is devoid of any depth. Gundam is a pure style over substances series.
>>287179409if someone is a retard then calling him a retard is the only proper thing to do, there's no point in coming up with sound arguments against a retard
>>287179315Same here. I like Gundam, but the chances to meet a contrarian autist who will lose their shit if you don't say exactly the same thing as him are just way too high to discuss Gundam. It's just all the same shit being repeated: arguments about basic, but ambiguous shit, and raging over someone else's different point of view (even if it's pretty much the same as the screeching autists' POV).
>>287179452>"I DON'T AGREE WITH HIM THEREFORE HE IS A RETARD""sob sob good faith in discussion uhh muh Char"Whatever you say.
This what the lack of relevant hot girls does to a series. Only ZZ threads are comfy. Every other Gundam discussion turns into an anime version of /pol/.
>>287177627Was that what happened to Kuzco Al?
>>287179509Agreed. It's another argument in favor of ZZ being genuinely the most solid entry in the UC franchise, aside from the original series.
>>287179509every gundam series has hot girls tho
>>287177559>What are Zeon's economic policies?Besides spacenoid goy cattle enriching the Zabi family? Nothing.
>>287179547That do fuck nothing.
>>287179363>unlike your types who can only do halfwit cynical lol shit sucks retorts with zero attempt at thought.Is it that famous "autistic meltdown" moment? Easy, I like Char despite his flaws, but you're getting fired up literally without any reason.
>>287179569Sayla and Fa get in the way and ruin things all the damn time tho
>>287177627>he doesn't know about the state-mandated ple gf program
Gundam is my favorite yaoi space series.
>>287179593Exactly. Give me my lolis Purus and Leina, give me the sexbomb Roux and we can have a great ZZ thread.
>>287179569Beltorchika did quite a bit
>>287179569Also Haman was strangely hot and competent
>>287179710Wasn't she the cocksleeve Tomino decided to give Amuro to make him look cool?
>>287179734She's... evil. But she's also part of the ZZ female cast.
>>287179748Yes and no, depending on your canon, she was supposed to be Amuro's wife and have his children but that's only book/manga canon, she's his gf in Z but after they break up.
>>287179695What fucking pervert Zeon leader decided to start a program to give everyone in space a genetically perfect child bride (with extra fertile womb)
>>287179748yeah, if you completely ignore their co-dependent relationship.
Easy with the zeon propaganda
>>287179293his strat was to force people into space to turn them into newtypes.
>>287177559You're not supposed to hate them at all. Gundam ain't like that.
>>287179293it's more like>earthnoids are wasteful gluttons>spacenoids have been forced to learn to live in harmony due to resource limitations and feddie taxes>earthnoids are also too conservative (souls weighed down by gravity) and refuse to change due to their relatively comfortable environment>i will fix this by forcing earthnoids into space so they will learn to be like us, and humanity will no longer be held back by clinging to earth
>>287179209To me Char's depth is mostly thematic. Tomino doesn't make Char do what Char would do, he makes him do what can communicate something through him. How I feel about Char clasping his hands in prayer and pleading the giant rock to successfully crash into earth is probably exactly how Tomino wanted me to feel about it but it's not even the type of crazy normally attributed to Char.>inb4 it isHe's Tomino's ideologue first and Char second which is also why any attempt at Char first tends to be dry.
The issue with UC is that the only sides to choose from are a Right Wing paramilitary dictatorship/Junta... and Zeon. You're only allowed to choose between space fascists and the people who create and enable them. There's not a single legitimate Left Wing or even Liberal movement in the whole Earth Sphere.
>>287180499>Tomino doesn't make Char do what Char would do, he makes him do what can communicate something through him.This is almost every writer though, some hide it better, some pull an oshii.
>>287179593Fa is best girl, even if she is a nagging bitch.
>>287180618>only sides to chooseI don't think you are meant to pick a side, at best you form temporary alliances and/or put up with necessary evil to fight greater evil. Gundam protagonists just try to fight and survive in the bleak evil world of adults and bureaucracy.
>>287180618>he thinks communist shit allows for cool shit like giant robots to existsorry leftist, but mobile suit technology is here to stay
>>287180388CCA is such poorly written shit. Char would never try to do that except for when he did in 79 and zeta.
>>287179293Earth can recover after thousand years of sleep, the point was to make it uninhabitable for everybody to live.
>>287180790CCA Char for me is fine, mostly, but him actually relying on and sponsoring cyber newtypes after seeing the shit that happened with Kamille is definitely OOC
>>287180853Char had no problem in using Kamille during the show, his realisation that newtypes can't solve problems and are just forced to kill each other is very painful. CCA is him going fuck it and playing a forced hand at a steep cost of human life. Gyunei is also supposed to be the cyber newtype perfected i.e. no headaches and schizo episodes. Whatever envy, pride and jealousy he has are not influenced by that.
>>287180770yes yes anaheim electronics very basednow let's look at the early life section
>>287181165I wonder if there's any truth to the whole>Kamille was supposed to play the role of Gyunei in CCAthing.
>>287180770soviets made some pretty cool planes and tanks thoughnot necessarily good ones but cool nonetheless
>>287180618Zeon probably has formalized relations between labor and management optimized for self-sufficiency, you might call it a national sort of socialism
>>287181214There's not, it completely goes against Kamille's characterization.
>>287177559>Or do they not elaborate and you're supposed to automatically hate them because they're space Nazis?You're supposed to hate them because their literal only idea about how to change things is to just kill a bunch of people. That's it. Gundam has such a brain dead simple bit of allegory, "these assholes say they're going to make things better for everyone, but their only actual policy is just killing a bunch of people to consolidate power," and people just can't seem to grasp it.The One Year War wasn't even over before it'd basically killed more people than any other war in human history ever. Zeon would then go on to kill even more people again and again in a futile effort to achieve vague propaganda nonsense. Even when they had some justification, such as the excesses of the Titans, all Zeon ever managed to pull off was killing a bunch of people.The grand shining example of their abject inability to do anything but mindlessly kill people is Stardust. It turns out the big, secret plan of these "honorable" hold outs of Zeon? It's fucking crash another fucking colony into Earth. And not just that, but explicitly targeting food production to cause a famine. Death on a massive, incomprehensible, and pointless scale. The legacy of Zeon.That's Gundam and that's Zeon: all they ever do is kill people, and the characters spend ages trying to pretend that's not all that's happening. Newtypes are fluffed up as the next stage in humanity, ubermensch who will reshape the world, but as Tomino's Gundam series progress, it's revealed all they're really good at is killing people harder. They're eventually forgotten, left behind as another misguided attempt to pretend anything of real worth was being achieved in these endless, bloody wars.
>>287177559The policy is that every grown man gets a loli mommy
>>287180618Wrong, your kosher option already exists, he's called Melanie Hue Carbine
>>287177559Economic policies huh?Watch Unicorn if you want that Full Frontal's entire plan revolves around this
>>287177559I dunno, but between Zeon, zanscare and the crossbone vanguard all fucking spacenoids governments are absolutely batshit insane.I don't know if it's the lack of gravity or water mined from asteroid ice, but there is something going on up there that is making them act like raging lunatics.How do you even come up with strapping gazillion psychics to a satelite to create a planet wide dementia beam.
>>287177559Probably mostly boring things like 'they have 5 percent tariff on Side 6 made cars' and shit like that.
>>287181165>Gyunei is also supposed to be the cyber newtype perfected i.e. no headaches and schizo episodes. Whatever envy, pride and jealousy he has are not influenced by that.Because cyber newtypes are hamfisted women analogies with PMS migraines and schizo episodes and Gyunei is a man.
>>287179030>1st seriesFights Amuro, has him dead to rights but Sayla convinces him to let him go because that's what Lalah would've wanted>2nd seriesWorks with Amuro to prevent another tragedy like Lalah from happening>CCAWaaagh! 5 years later I am still mad at you after all Amuro! Also I will leak my tech to get a fair duel even though at no point in the past I ever cared about fairness!
>>287181165>Char had no problem in using KamilleHow did Char use Kamille exactly?
Reminder that a timeline exists where Char got his hands on Sazabi during the One Year War and still somehow got killed by Amuro in a white tin can.
>>287179293Spoken like an earthnoid whose soul is weighed down by gravity!
>>287181449I don't know anon, srw is pretty good at this and kamille joins the opposite side in a lot of games
>>287184873>Works with Amuro to prevent another tragedy like Lalah from happeninglolwut? Amuro is the one who repeatedly warns Kamille to stay away from Four. Char is just disappointed at Amuro for still being in PTSD, tells him to get over it and become fighting Amuro of old.He talks about being a father figure for Katz to Hayato but pretty much leaves him after reaching space. He adopts orphan pair Shinta and Qum, brings them to Argama and jumps dump them on Fa.He is that lazy guy on group project who takes the initiative and makes bold declaration but then asks other people to do the dirty work.
>>287184976>lolwut? Amuro is the one who repeatedly warns Kamille to stay away from Four.They talk about the tragedy happening again when Four comes back to die a second time during the Kilimanjaro assault.Prior to that Char never even meets Four, he's not with Kamille when Four is introduced.>Char is just disappointed at Amuro for still being in PTSD, tells him to get over it and become fighting Amuro of old.Which is completely fair and accurate. They have no issues working together and even share a drink.
>>287177559>But teh dow is up
>>287181638That's Glemmy 's policy. Char wants a brown loli mommy all for himself.
>>287179164You had the most direct explanation of Char's character explained to you, the 1 + 1 = 2, and run to a Reddit boogeyman. Quit being pathetic.>>287179209You described consistency, so what's inconsistent?
Changing the nature of homo sapiens into a less warlike interplanetary something, somehow down the line is too abstract to be a goal at all. Sorry "contolists."
>>287181498So there's no real solution in the end right? Everyone is just going to war because they think their plan is the right one until someone else rises up again.
>>287180618The federation definitely isn't right wing, they operate more like a oligarchy mixed with a military junta but they never give enough details to define it properly, all we see is that their elite is extremely wealthy and occult and their military carries all the law & order.
>>287184873>Waaagh! 5 years later I am still mad at you after all Amuro! Also I will leak my tech to get a fair duel even though at no point in the past I ever cared about fairness!Because you people focus on that final meme frame too much, without even understanding the proper translation, he's not mad at amuro, char there is in his final moments and just grasping at straws, both of them are in panic, through the entirety of CCA char wanted amuro to stop him.
>>287177559I remember somewhere reading an analysis of Fed's and Zeon's logistics structures and from the barebone information we got it's kind of grim?Feds are well organized and focused with well working and centralized supply chains. Zeon is made out of multiple small fractions that organize and manage their own supplies.
>>287187514nah. he knew the gundam tech couldn't compete with newtype powers in 0079. it was a deleted line when talking to chalia
>>287187527tl;dr is that Zeon probably has no unified economic policies and realistically would start in-fighting the moment they would actually defeat Feds.
>>287187527If we ignore the actual reason (to sell toys) the reason in-universe that there was so many Zeon suits during the OYW was because was at least 3 different manufacturing companies making suits for Zeon while the Feds only really had Anaheim, so by the time they invade Solomon, the GMs were much much more efficient than Zeonic or whoever trying to make the next wunderwaffe that gets neg diffed by Amuro after his newtype awakening.
>>287188032Speaking of space magic, people like shitting on Riddhe and rightfully so, but him matching Banagher at the end of Unicorn was one of the better scenes. IF UC2 ever comes out, it'd be nice to see more of him
>>287186823its not abstract at all, its just increasing the rate of self-domestication on purpose via eugenics.aggressive, warmongering humans get spayed/neutered or culled becore they can breed. simple as
>>287188178Riddhe is the best character of the Unicorn. I love that he makes Maridafags seethe.
>>287188492Felt like a Tomino character with all the woman kills kek
>>287188178i think people shitting on riddhe can't understand his character. sometimes you have experience something for yourself to understand the other side and people got mad he wasn't consistent or changed midway?
>>287178805>skipped ZZsecondary
>>287186926Considering that the same thing happens in F91, Crossbone, and Victory, pretty much yeah. It's honestly a miracle they managed almost 80 years of peace without any large scale incidents
Couple of things about Gundam:1) I still don't get why americans have such an autistic rage for him and SEED.2) I don't know why americans ALWAYS misunderstand Char.I mean I haven't seen Origin but form the first 3 series, this is pretty much how I saw Char. I did read the novel so I might be mixing two different things a little.>0079Wants Revenge on Zabi'sBelieves in his New Type Theory and thinks Zeon and Federation are both tool bags. Tries to recruit Amuro and understands that he's a victim of circumstances. Doesn't really "hate" Amuro but he's a bit bitter why he'd stay on the side of the Federation rather than join his New-Type faction. In the book, he's constantly trying to recruit Amuro and they don't really have that "talk" before Amuro gets killed lol. Feels huge shame and disappointment when both Challila Bull and Amuro dies. I mean fuck he literally joins White Base and literally everyone except Kai joins Neo Zeon (lol) Means well and isn't really a villain here, just someone trying to do his own thing while the heroes get in his way once in a while. >ZetaMeans well, He won't commit though which causes a shit ton of issues. Everyone calls him out for trying to control things but staying in the shadows. Eventually fucks up REALLY badly once he gets ragebaited by Haman. >CCAFuck it, you want me taking action? The federation are corrupt and need to be stopped and if nobody will get their hands dirty. Fine I'll get my hands dirty. We tried this the diplomatic way, now Amuro kill me. I didn't really see the "manchild" here. I just saw a broken man who knows the world won't change so he's forced to take the front light when he doesn't want to and take drastic actions. Lots of complex motives here, I don't think he's really "mad" at Amuro for killing Lalah and that's more cope but it's more of a suicidal rampage in a final stand. Either he nukes Earth and humanity is forced to migrate to space or Amuro kills him and he's finally done his battle.
>>287189814>>I don't know why americans ALWAYS misunderstand Char.>misunderstands char
>>287189898HOW? jesus fuck you americans just call him an incel or manchild and you're fucking retarded
>>287190002>everyone that disagrees with me is american
>>287190050you can't just green text shit and expect a discussion man
>americans hate their own government>char hates the government>americans hate char????????
>>287189814Don't listen to the schizo, there's 1 guy samefagging hard in this thread, if you glance over you'll recognize him immediately, I agree with what you said, you're mostly spot on, on what happened.
>>287190277What would you say is the difference between your interpretation? I mean fuck some retards (usually people who think char is a power hungry dictator) believe he doesn't really care about the new type stuff and it's a cope but that's clearly fucking wrong.
>>287177559Remminder that real enemy at the end arc of gundam is always americans.
>>287185056Char's warning is pretty warrior minded. He doesn't try to empathise and understand Kamille's turmoil, all he sees is his ability of being able to fight. Compare that with Amuro in the episode immediately after this, who tries to console Kamille.This blonde man has issues and internalized lots of fucked up things.
>>287189814>Either he nukes Earth and humanity is forced to migrate to space or Amuro kills him and he's finally done his battle.His plan was almost foolproof, if not for Axis Miracle. It was so that even if he had lost the duel, he could say 'ha Axis will still hit earth, so I am the one who won'. It's really petty.
>>287192950Yeah, fair. I also thought of it more as a suicidal fuck you to everyone and everything.
>>287191159No, the weeb larping as a samurai was the real enemy.
I know it was and still is common practice to cut music up to fit the shot(s).I just find it particularly unfortunate with CCA how many of and how much the tracks sent over from the composer got cut up.Tomino said it best when talking about the experience of editing the final Turn A sequence to the music- the first time he "let himself edit based purely on feeling/intuition" or something to that effect.
>>287193794He was really that type of gamer who thinks he can survive zombie apocalypse cause he played Resident Evil and CoD.
>>287195247he probably could tho
>>287177559If Gqux is anything to go by tech seems to have progressed further had they won the war. Can't be all bad.
>>287184873He just wanted death by Amuro.
>>287187514yeah i don't know why people get confused over thiscan someone weigh in why so many people misunderstand char and then say he's a seething manchild?
>>287196043Gcuck is the best possible (and likely only) good ending for the UC timeline-Amuro never gets in a gundam and doesn't become a mass murder -Salya ends up as the ruler of Zeon with protection/help of Ramba ral>Char meets his waifu and has a happy ending without anyone dying>All the Zabis are taken out of the picture
>>287197351>The best ending for the world is also the most insufferably boringGqrap is deep if you think about it.
>>287180618>>287181417Zeon are arguably kind of Nazbol.
>>287197518But at least we got to see Machu's pretty feet
>>287197351Gqux timeline is headed to war again immediately
>>287199331Unlikely, Sayla was an ace pilot for the federation, she's the one who is gonna bridge the gap between earthnoids and spacenoids, unifying humanity once again.
SIEG
>>287181417nationalism and socialism are mutually exclusive. either the state owns everything or the people own everything. and if the government can take something away from civilians without their permission then the people don't own it
>>287177627I forget his name but the grunt in 08th MS who fucked up everything in the village by picking up kiki didn't seem very morally upstanding
>>287179569Nina made this place seethe for years
>>287203069Kiki was gang-raped by Feddies.
>>287184873The way I saw it explained was A. seeing Kamille be essentially killed took away one of his main reasons to live and B. seeing most of his friends who had just fought a war against Earth join 'The Titans II we pinky promise we won't use nerve gas this time' didn't helpQuattro died at the end of the Gryps war and Char kind of became an empty husk, people say he always was and I can see that, but during those times he had something to fill himself with like the destruction of the zabis. After Gryps he doesn't have anything left and decides to end this emptiness by dying
>>287203209I don't remember that part of the ova
>>287177559>BUT WHAT WAS ARAGORN'S TAX POLICY?????
>>287197351Nah, this is probably the best possible ending:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmRT6MwJfJ8
>>287177559Did we get any cool tidbits about the new hathaway movie? Any nipples?
>>287199354You can't be saying that when the Titans will likely still be a thing. Haman's probably busy molesting a boy from Shangri-la, but there's still one other Zabi left (assuming Dozle and Garma are retired)
>>287186781>"you had muh headcanon right in front of you, why you don't want to accept it?!"
>>287178963Stupid sexy tomato
>>287180499I think the same. He isn't meant to be consistent in a traditional writing sense, but rather represent certain ideas and tropes.>>287186781Just watch his characterization throughout 79, Zeta, CCA and compare how it differs in a traditional sense, yet stays somewhat stable in a more refined, thematical aspext. Add to it non-anime sources.
>>287204176Get out. This thread belongs to Nyan now.
>>287203976Dozle died early iirc, Garma is indeed retired, we don't know if Mineva was born or not, Haman didn't go full retard because her father lived, who along with Ral is an hardcore pro Deikun Zeon right to rule, the titan only got power due to the federation winning the war and then getting a hold of space, at best they can do some terrorist acts like we've seen them try once.>>287204176I love my little terrorist, she was a great character despite the short amount of screentime she had at disposal
>>287203878What did the devs of the game mean by this
>>287177559Both sides are supposed to be equally bad. It's not a matter of which side is good or not, both are vying for control of the Earth. Both governments are equally corrupt and without morals.
>>287204586One uses children as bait, combatants and guinea pigs, the other doesn't, I'm not sure they are exactly on the same level.
>>287179030>STILL mad over AmuroIt has a bit more depth than that imo. He'll always be mad at Amuro over Lalah but he's also the only person he trusted with the chance to stop him. Giving Londo Bell psychoframe tech to have a chance against him was basically him giving the universe it's chance to answer if his actions are really wrong or not.
>>287204625Are you talking about zeon or the federation? Because I know in one series (it was a 3d animated spinoff, but I can't remember which) both were using child soldiers.
>>287178963>>287204176>Witch from mercury slopFuuuuck off pedo.
>>287203422It was in the novelization and kiki killed herself afterward.
>>287204779retard
>>287204750I'm talking about the federation in the og
>>287177559En Taro Deikun. Would Char allow bikinis on anime and non gacha games? I believed that Takaichi and Trump would be another Char Aznable who will liberate anime and Japanese non gacha from censorship and return bikinis, pantyshot and ecchi. But censorship doesn't stop easily like Olga itsuka unfortunately...
>>287205096Char is a lolicon, so yes.
>>287205124Were Takaichi and Trump against loli unfortunately? Abe was pro loli....
>>287204825She killed herself by biting off her tongue. Poor Kiki. I prefer her anime fate.
>>287204586Are Zeon people aliens? Zeon people are different from Earthlings, right? En taro Deikun. My life for Zeon.
>>287205124Only if they're brown. He was just leading Quess on for her newtype skills
>>287205299Zeon are middle/low class Earthlings that were kicked out of Earth when it run out resources and only the elite was allowed to stay and everyone else had to fuck off to space colonies. Zeon was the colony farthest from the Earth and they wanted to become independant.
>>287205299It's not all that explored, but I do like the idea that, to spacenoids, things like religion and nationalities as we (and the Earthnoids) know it are basically imaginary, and therefore they have nothing else to believe in other than Zeonism (or the Zabis)
Remember /a/ do not let your souls be weighted down by gravity
For me, it's Challia.
>>287197351>Salya ends up as the ruler of Zeon with protection/help of Ramba ralThis is not good for Sayla, she is pretty sad about it at the end.
Is tomino a communist
>>287206046Does this answer your question?
>>287197652Nazbol isn't real. It's just bog-standard fascists using Soviet iconography because it was Russias last "Golden Age". No different than how Fascists in other countries love using iconography of historical Feudal states or Imperial states.
>>287187450>oligarchy mixed with a military juntaDude you're basically just copying the definition of "Right Wing" straight from the dictionary.
>>287206163I used to think it was bullshit, but Tomino's comments on Shinkai's stuff being sexless really does make a lot sense the more you get into older works. Even if there is a lot more graphic T&A these days, there's no eroticism behind it. You have all these boobs bouncing and jiggling around, but without any good intent or direction behind it, fanservice just falls flat.
>>287206046He's that kind of bitter "Failed 1960's student revolutionary" who shouted a bunch of communist slogans in his youth, but in the end just wound up as a vaguely liberal "Why can't we all just get along maaaan" sort of guy. So he can point out the problems with society, but is unable to offer solutions besides the standard liberal "Just wait for the boomers to die of old age and things will get better on their own." pablum.
>>287206284For sure, it's rare to see something truly sexy these days.
>>287205897This artist makes the best mob x bottom chalia doujins.
>>287203209>>287204825>Checked the wiki>It's realSieg Zeon holy fuck
>>287206518En taro Deikun.... my life for... Zeon...
>>287177559ZionIt's Zion okay
>>287188178It just hit me that newtype psychoframe color bullshit works off green lantern rules
>>287181498>"these assholes say they're going to make things better for everyone, but their only actual policy is just killing a bunch of people to consolidate power," and people just can't seem to grasp it."There are just some things you don’t understand. Revolutions are dreamed up by intellectuals, but their aims are so unrealistic that they’ll steep to drastic measures. Following the revolution, the worthy passions for rebirth are swallowed up by bureaucracy and mediocrity. Intellectuals hate this and withdraw from society and politics and become recluses!"
>>287202366All actually existing socialism was basically state run capitalism. The Italian social republic wasn't that much different from Marxist leninist countries in practice, it was second to the USSR in terms of state run industry too. >>287206284I wonder if the implied facesitting stuff in the last movie was in response to that?
>>287202366You might find it odd that we already have a word for a group of people who own everything together and that word is "state," if the people as a whole can't take something away from individuals without their permission they don't own it
>>287206961>Just ignore all the successful revolutions in history. Remember: Better *clap* Things *clap* Aren't *clap* Possible! *clap*
>>287181638Siege Zeon!
>>287207436>the people as a whole>look inside>the wealthiest 20%
>>287179786she could have easily survived ZZ I don't know why she tried so hard to throw herself into danger
What does the Prime Minister of the Feds even do? It feels like everything is at the will of the military
>>287179593a cheap price for having her by your side through bad times
>>287208327>axis falling apart>fellow spacenoids literally tried to overthrow her>mineva hates her>char MIA >biggest regret before dying is not having met Jewdough earlierA tragedy really
>>287179734I need Haman's fat ass on my lap.
>>287208382What is it about space that turns women after a certain age insane
>>287187514>he's not mad at amuro, char there is in his final moments and just grasping at strawsWhy would he be grasping at straws? Makes no sense. This is the final moment when they're about to die and they're both aware of that, there's no reason to cope or hide anything anymore, Char is laying himself bare in that moment and giving it to Amuro straight.Whether he hated Amuro or not, he absolutely wanted to kill him in fair duel over Lalah. It's been argued to hell and back but I never saw a convincing argument how that's not out of character after Zeta. I have no issues with Char becoming a terrorist leader and a villain but having him circle back to being obsessed with Amuro and wanting a 'fair fight' is just character assassination to me. It's hard to beat the allegations that CCA wants to be a sequel to MSG movies and pretends Zeta and ZZ never happened as much as it possibly can. Though, to be frank, I think the ending of MSG, with Char letting Amuro go, was narratively a much more satisfying way to end Lalah's entire part in the entire story.
>>287208167En taro Deikun!! Mah life for Zeon!! (Zeon language: For Deikun!! My life for Zeon!!)
>>287208558kys bikinischizo
>>287208570But zeon people would have their own language just like Gurongis in Kuuga, right?
>>287208646no and that's retarded, please return to reddit
>>287208517Char never got over Lalah's death in Zeta. He was willing to co-operate cause of the bigger threat.
>>287209219>Char never got over Lalah's death in Zeta.Maybe, but he was able to move on to focus on other things. He had no trouble working with Amuro for the sake of colonies because that was more important to him.And then in CCA he derails everything - his whole life, his goal, his father's goal, the spacenoids' fate, the entire operation, because he's seething about Lalah and wants to fight Amuro. That's my issue.
>>287178747You might be retarded anon. Char was always going to be relevant to the plot. Zeta started as “Chars counter attack”
>>287177627fpbp
>>287209360You mean ZZ started as CCA. Then they got the go-ahead for the movie and Glemmy was born.
>>287209360The whole point of Haman in Zeta is that Char can’t escape the past. He can’t become “Quattro vagina” and he seals his fate with the speech at Dakar. Amuro and Char’s little sharing of the drink furthers Char’s realization of the burden he’s taken on. He can’t even be Casval anymore he is forever cursed to be a military leader in a pointless cause. That’s why by CCA he’s giving lip service to the colonies as he tries to live out his petty revenge with Amuro. All the shit about saving the earth is just noise. He’s a lonely broken man who got his pajeet waifu taken from him by an autistic neet prodigy pilot.
>>287209360>he was able to move onHe wasn't, his whole way of dealing with emotions is to supress them and channel them for fighting which is not a good thing. >And then in CCA he derails everything - his whole life, his goal, his father's goal, the spacenoids' fate, the entire operation, because he's seething about Lalah and wants to fight Amuro. That's my issue.Axis Drop had dual purpose, to make Earth uninhabitable so that all of mankind will be forced into space. Second was to have a duel with Amuro. He leaked the Psychoframe so that his victory over Amuro wouldn't feel hollow. Axis getting stopped by collective human consciousness was not part of his plan, nobody could have predicted that miracle.
>>287209505>>287209457If you were referring to me anon then no this isn’t fully correct. Zeta was going to be called CCA early on with a bigger focus on char. It got scrapped very early on though
>>287209511Sure but all of that is about Char trying to escape the responsibility of being Zeon's son and trying to be a rank and file soldier again. That's what Dakar was about, that's what his entire arc in Zeta is about - Char throwing away the mask and accepting his role. Literally none of that is about Lalah.
>>287209593His role is to follow the footsteps of his father, Zeon Deikun and take all of humanity into space so they develop into newtypes, that's intrinsically linked with Lalah and Amuro, the first newtypes he ever met.
>>287209593Lalah is his romantic interest and is literally the perfect example of his father’s ideology. He can’t forgive himself for getting her killed/Amuro killing her. He grabs onto women and discards them for this reason lol. He was always thinking about her even in Zeta
>>287209655I'm gonna repeat myself, I guess we can agree to disagree. To me that part of the story was decidedly done and dusted, I think Char becoming a villain makes perfect sense but his personal beefs were not set up properly. I think when it comes to CCA certain elements were inserted and other elements were omitted for cynical rather than artistic reasons.
>>287209811>He grabs onto women and discards them for this reason lol.That was invented in CCA, he actively refuses to 'grab onto any woman' in Zeta, which is what causes Reccoa to chimp out.
>>287186926Kinda. Gundam also isn't big on peaceniks, though it's ire is mostly directed at people who have no real strong moral objection to war and killing, only the wishy washy people who don't like doing it but have no real values they uphold otherwise.But mostly Tomino's gundams are concerned with the futility of trying to stay out of war. Everyone always ends up getting dragged in. It always comes to them, often through the character's own moral imperfections but just as often through fate and circumstance, and despite the immorality and soul sucking nature of combat, it's the only real option against the much worse, more much destructive villains. The only time this isn't really true is F91, but that's almost just half a story because it got cut down from the first cour of a normal gundam series (the movie ends with the heroes basically going AWOL and telling the current iteration of the Federation to suck it while NEW FRESH Zeon does a blitzkrieg on it).After that things kind of get more cerebreal and bizarre. Victory is largely a shitpost season. Turn A is so far after an apocalypse war as a concept is kind of like, a minor thing. It's mostly people fucking around and getting stopped before their ignorant lust for war gets out of hand. Greco is a fever dream of its own, but largely continues in the vein of Tomino's post-Turn A shows in being less of a "real" war story and more of a fantastical adventure about insane nonsense in the far future that's still thematically about the nihilism of war.
>>287210487Newfags/tourists who go >Gundam is about how war is badpiss me off because they're only half right, Tomino makes it clear that if and when it comes, not fighting is worse. Whether or not this is a justified reaction depends on the entry, but babyfaced pacifism is shit on just as much, if not more, than being a bloodthirsty warhawk
>>287209886He grabs onto Reccoa the discards her when he loses interest. Hamans Newtype connection to Kamille is about how Char “betrayed” her. A subtext of Char’s character is a desire for women sexually/for some amount of comfort yet not being able to truly connect to them. I feel like that’s fairly clear cut
>>287211051No he doesn't. He nevers comes onto Reccoa, she pushes herself onto him when they're about to go on mission together, he smooches her so she fucks off and does her job. He doesn't lead her on, Kamille smacks him in the face because he so demonstrably doesn't give a fuck about Reccoa.We have no context for Haman's one sided crush in the actual show, he is literally incapable of being nice to Haman even though it would benefit AEUG immensly. All we know that he was with Axis, didn't like what Haman was doing and then fucked off. You invent shit to fit your narrative.It's CCA that turns him into some manipulative harem master dream daddy for Quess.
>>287211216nta but, Reccoa and Char are supposed to be in close relationship (Manga is pretty direct about this). It's easy to miss on first watch but they are couple of thrill seekers who can't live without fighting in war and going on dangerous missions. Reccoa seeks to be emotionally comforted as a woman, which leaves her dissatisfied with Char, especially after she takes a bullet for him and he doesn't even go to visit her. We aren't told much about his relationship with Haman but it can be inferred that they were pretty amiable once before having a spat that drifted them apart. He has trouble connecting with women but isn't as machiavellian about it in Zeta as he is in CCA with Quess and Nanai.
>>287177559>they're space Nazis?They're really not.Zeon zum Daikun's ideological framework is largely based on radical environmentalism and a people's right to self-determination. He was a freedom fighter and a hero.In general Zeon is clearly modelled on the Soviet Union, with Zeon filling Lenin's role and Zabi being Stalin.
>>287204113You can't recognize even the most blatant of writing.>>287204217Char's characterization holds up as consistent even in a conventional sense. Also, the non-anime material, such as the novels and manga, actively change a lot of characterization and events for the sake of it, especially the 0079 content, so they aren't too helpful for assessing anime Char.
>>287212717They're kind of mix of both plus imperial japan, hence why I said they were nazbols.
>>287212717Anon, when people compare Zeon to the Nazis, they're talking about the Zabis' Zeon and beyond. Char's dad was the secession hippie.
>>287213483Like I said, they're soviets.Zabi is Stalin. Gundam is a series steeped in cold war anxiety.
>>287179164Are you fucking retarded? Watch the end of zeta again and watch the Ghiren's greed scene.
