>>287245803
AI backgrounds sugoi desu ne!
TN: AI means olev.

Why is this anime so overrated

Rozemyne will attack Ferdinand and he won't be able to stop himself from giving in to her. Because of how similar their mana already is, a child will be made. Pregnant Rozemyne in her final year in RA. Truly scandlous.

It saves on money and time.

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>>287245803
japs are 50/50 on defending it or criticizing it

>>287248047
normal highschool experience

>>287248434
>we need mo money fo dem program-er I mean animators
The problem isn't money the industry saw record breaking revenues and minutes of animation produced last year. The problem is the production committee effectively siphons all the income away from the studios.

Record profits for them, while around 20% of anime studios are operating at a loss. Structurally if your system is this fucked during record breaking revenue with all that money sloshing around, it's a system that's going to collapse under that inefficiency when revenues eventually do contract.
But the nips are such corporate bootlickers telling them this is like speaking to a wall.

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Professor, I received blessings from one subordinate god: Beischmacht.

>>287248047
That's what happens.

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>>287245803
Jesus Christ, looks like it will be even worse than switching to digital

>>287245803
Oh no no no, cancel this anime right now!

>>287245803
I have to wonder if the background was a stand-in for the production background and it slipped through the cracks, or it was shipped in by some foreign contractor and they didn't have anything to replace it with in time. There are a couple of somewhat sus backgrounds, but nothing else this egregious.

>>287245803
the background? looks pretty, is it supposed to be something?

>>287245803
genuinely who even gives a shit anymore, animator who works on crappa shows has said it months ago that every studio uses it barring ghibli and ufotable. when asked about AI among studio heads no one goes no we will never use it, just like every studio has switched to digital from analog this is another step studios and animators will eventually take.

>>287247945
Female MC means the usual complainers are not going to be around, but if AI was in fact used here you are going to have another annoying group around.

>>287248434
>improve quality
It's a low-effort placeholder that doesn't improve anything. It's like a photo with photoshop filters

>>287248434
This eleven doesn't understand how the committee system works. It doesn't matter how much the series makes after. When a production is decided on, each member of the committee puts up a certain amount of money for a percentage of the total budget. For example company A will put up 125 million for 50% of the ownership of the production. This caps the budget at 250 million yen because Japanese business customs bullshit. Even if another person wants to put in an additional 250 million yen they can't because then company A's percentage in the production will drop and that is dishonorabru dispray.

>>287248434
>Ascendance of a Bookworm
>Low budget
Yeah nah this is just their executives looking to pay their animators and artists even less so they can hoard more money

>>287245803
>Ai will improve animation dramatically
>look inside
>low quality static backgrounds
What a scam

>studio change will improve animation dramatically
>look inside
>AI slop backgrounds
What a scam

>>287245803
luddites going frame by frame looking for the bad pixels the rest of us aren't allowed to like

>>287245803
I watched the first season and was very surprised how much I liked it. But in my experience sequels almost always fail to live up to the hype. Is this one worth watching all of it?

>>287251213
S2 is pretty much the same as S1. S3 feels a bit rushed but I liked it.

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>>287245803
don't care about ai shit but the pacing was the shit of nightmares
once again the only proper way to enjoy a story about books is to FUCKING READ IT

>>287251308
I tried reading the novels and it felt like the most forced attempt at good writing. It really shows that those who consider it well written don't read anything but light novels and tiktok slop.

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The fact that she's going to become a symbol for AI usage in anime is music to my ears.

>>287251604
She should invent AI

>>287250348
The quality of the actual show is much better than aija-do. Plus that was not even wit, the background for the op was done by some vietnam studio it was outsourced to.

>>287251688
Still their fault for outsourcing to AI studio

>>287248434
It is honestly sad how much Japan likes slop.
From Japanese game devs to animation studios, they keep sucking the AI dick.
The day most anime/manga is made with slop is the day I'll probably kill myself.
For fucks sake just a few months ago there was a Comic LO with one work that was 100% AI generated! They even talked about it like it was something amazing!
What the FUCK

>>287251646
AI already kinda exists in that world though.

>>287251646
>>287251905
Yes.
My AI for her.
Myne-chan DAISUKI

>>287251562
It's not good writing no one is arguing that, you simply get an even worse experience by skipping through everything like a youtube compilation; there were like two proper conversations and everything else was one liners then jumping to the next scene
I do enjoy it even if its ultimately about nothing because the author doesn't seem to have anything to say, not everything has to be good to be entertaining

>>287251562
Who cares if it's "well written"? Did you read it in Japanese? I imagine some nuance and quality is lost in translation. The story and setting are entertaining, which is what matters.

>>287251562
>forced good writing
The fuck is that? Qualityslop again?

>>287245803
Should the indian that prompted the background get paid?
I need to remind you that there's a large amount of coomers paying for AI generated anime porn instead of creating their own.

>>287245803
The first ep of the new season was pretty good, its a shame that the shitty AI stuff in the OP will sour the series reception for a lot of viewers.

What am I supposed to be looking at?

>>287251688
>vietnam
kek they're not going to get any more work ever again

>>287245803
That's fucking it? You're all throwing hissy fits. over some shitty background that flashes for less than a second? I don't like AI intruding everywhere, but if you don't see that you whiny fucks are the ones who are actually the greatest advocates for AI, then you don't understand people.

>>287255881
>give an inch and they'll take a mile yada yada

>>287255881
>release huge ass videogame
>AI is found in a corner 99.99% of players would have never seen
>LITERALLY WORST GAME EVER
Sorry buddy, is either yes or no and you HAVE to pick a side.

I swear, everyone in this looks like a Fire Emblem character.

First she invented soup, now she invented slop! Is there anything Myne can't do?

>>287256735
get fresh fish.
for now...

>>287245803
>ai is bad because because it just IS OKAY??
Not an arugment.

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Can't believe we are starting to get AI slop of LN adaptations, animators and production will finally move on to adapt actually good source material and originals right???

>>287245803
Virtually every studio is already using AI to some degree and its very clear and most of them have alluded to it themselves. One scuffed background slipping through doesn't mean very much. Whatever they have been doing HAS improved the overall quality of art and animation across most anime compared to the massive fucking drought that was like 2016-2022.
Nobody cared about all those shitty backgrounds where some guy just went outside took a picture and slapped an anime filter on it, which is still a pretty regular occurrence btw.
I'd prefer we just go back to cel animation because I think it looked better, but crashing out that they are going to start using AI seems like as much of a waste as crashing out about the switch to digital. You are going to set yourself up to just be mad the rest of your life, but as usual the people growing up now won't care and they will have fun watching it, and it will eventually become the new standard and you will still be shaking your fist at the sky at age 70 talking about how that damn AI ruined anime when something to replace that has already come along making the current 30 years crash out about how their precious AI was replaced lmao.

>>287245803
What about it? It's almost indistinguishable unless you zoom-in 500%, and it only appears for less than a second.

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>>287257406
>Whatever they have been doing HAS improved the overall quality of art and animation across most anime

>>287257614
If this entire year we are going to have doesn't convince you, I don't really know what will. We are already going 2 for 2 in terms of god tier seasons as far as art/animation is concerned in general.
2026 is basically going to be the newfag 2011

>>287257406
good morning saar

>>287257883
ESL retard.

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>>287248434
They are generally far less deranged about AI than the west

>>287245803
>please care about my isekaislop

This is just the loud minority trying to start shit, right? Most of them are probably artists that are scared shitless of losing their jobs to AI.
In the future everyone will use it, and the studio will just say 'if you don't like it, fuck off', people will clap and anti AI fad will die, the investors want to make more money, why would they choose the artists over AI, the latter is cheaper.

>>287248434
>pour a lot of money into Japanese animation studios
The anime industry did nothing but growing for 20+ years, I'm sure they can find the money somewhere

>>287251688
>Nam Hai Art
I used to work there, pretty sure it's not them.
Simply because I know they can't afford AI. Yeah, they are unironically that poor

>>287258544
Eh, if animation studios want to find money anywhere they have to successfully free themselves from production committees first.

>>287258489
It will die because they will see less and less slop in upcoming seasons.

>>287245803
AI bad and working people to death is good

>>287255956
It'd be nice if AI became a labor-saving technology for shit people don't care about
But there's no reason to think it'd ever stop there, with all the R&D being poured into the field. It keeps improving, humans cost money,, and animators need to unionize/fans need to boycott to make sure we don't all get replaced by machines.

>>287258605
>they are unironically that poor
Elaborate

Don't care about it. But surprised that the nips in their eternal slowness are using AI shit from like 3 years ago, those results are complete ass.

erm.. it's le big 2026.. someone alerted the author yet?

>>287251840
>For fucks sake just a few months ago there was a Comic LO with one work that was 100% AI generated
Really? What story/issue was it?

>>287258880
hmm
200 bucks a month, bonus already included, and the entire company has 3 toilets at most
On the top of my head

>>287249859
it can improve quality in aggregate by raising the floor. it just can't ever raise the ceiling, or reach it even

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JP can get pretty defensive when being rightfully criticized
>"yeah the AI is shit but we got hurt by the criticism and that's not good :("

>>287259037
and yeah, leaving more human labor to improve quality elsewhere. not saying this is how it always pans out but the anon i replied to implied it would never improve quality

>>287251840
I get being like "its impressive what robots can do now", I toyed around with AI a bit before chatGPT ate the internet
but AIslop is a threat to humanity and if we don't stand up to it there won't be jobs for human mangaka or animators anymore
(to say nothing of its more terrifying applications - no, I don't want "autonomous weapons" to exist, no military should ever be using AI)

>>287259066
this but the opposite

>>287248540
>But the nips are such corporate bootlickers telling them this is like speaking to a wall.
Westerners aren't far behind. Try telling them that their healthcare, elderly care and pension systems are one big, unsustainable pyramid scam built on lies and practically slave labor, they don't want to listen.
All this shit has to fail hard before there's any point in even trying to rebuild it.

>tfw marathoned the series in february
I'm sad I didn't watch this with you faggots

>>287245803
What the fuck? bring me back the low budget style
I'm getting Maou-sama S2 flashbacks

>>287255730
If you can't immediately tell why that background is obviously AI then there is no hope for you.

You don't even need to know much about drawing to notice it.

manufactured outrage over minimal use of AI, recent fag horror anime had used it but not a word about it then. studios have already eliminated more than half the in betweeners by having their software so ofcourse they will look for other ways to save money and increase output

Yeah yeah, the AIsloppa sucks, now can we also get more complaining about the art style change?

>>287259380
No one will complain about an upgrade.

>>287245803
It's in the FUCKING OPENING. The part studios put the MOST effort into making look good, because it sells the show and appears every episode.
You want a reason why AI is bad? Here's one right here. It's that AIfags do not give a single wet shit about making something as good as they can. You can see this in every single fucking place these pigs frequent, they shit out some slop and go "eh, whatever, good enough" and move on. They don't fucking care.

tell me the truth
what the fuck am i supposed to do if i want to just read it all in english

>>287259418
browse to google
type "ascendance of a bookwork LN english torrent"
???
profit

try using your fucking brain, retard

>>287259418
You read it all in English. The novels are all translated. Ignore the faggots who tell you that you're doing it wrong.

>>287259457
I don't think he was asking for sauce. But I mean, if he was...

https://server.elscione.com/Officially%20Translated%20Light%20Novels/Ascendance%20of%20a%20Bookworm/

>>287259487
dunnn click it!!! it's le hekkin virus! I WARNED YA

>>287259487
blessings upon ye

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>>287259513
That site is my beloved treasure. Cherish it as I have.

>>287253058
It has the aesthetics of good writing, but is ultimately substance-less where it counts. Flowery vocabulary and structurally interesting writing can only go so far when the actual story is ill convinced and ultimately mediocre.

>>287259545
>convinced
*conceived

>>287255881
>>287255956
Tolerating the use of minimal ai allows it to be normalized. After a while "a little more" also won't be a big deal. And so on until "minimal ai" becomes "primarily ai." You would think you retards would have seen this shit play out enough in recent history to recognize it by now.

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>>287259545
you're trying to sound smarter than you actually are, and failing

it's decent, not amazing, but certainly not bad, just decent, and therefore worth reading if it falls into your range of preferred genres

Does anyone have a webm of when she drank the potion or when she almost died because Ferdinand put her in the punishment room?

>>287248434
>guy thinks destroying piracy increases revenue
lmao

>>287259834
all nips think that

>>287245803
n-nyooo...
https://www.cbr.com/ascendance-of-a-bookworm-ai-opening-one-piece-remake/

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>>287245803
So we no longer can have a thread about this series without AI discussion uh.

Was the adoption this rushed in the novels too?

>>287258338
They're not that excited about it though.

>>287259668
That's my genuine impression. Does it get better compared to early on? I bounced off once when she taught peasants to make soup, and then a few more times in the first season when I realized I was nearly skipping whole episodes to get past stupid stuff. It genuinely felt like the author had no idea what they were talking about/didn't think things out a ton of the time.

>>287258338
most of the literature about AI is in English and most of its development takes place in the English-speaking world.
People need to listen to Anglos here, this is one of the rare cases where they know what they're talking about.
Yudkowsky was right.

>>287260286
NTA but yes.
Once you get past the bullshit parts like the one you mentioned, it does get better.

>>287260205
The entire anime adaptation is super rushed, go read the novels or even the manga, the anime is really for people who don't want to read.

>>287260330
>this is one of the rare cases where they know what they're talking about
90% of anglo AI speak is a bunch of luddites yelling about copyright, and then another bunch of retards selling snake oil for novice programmers that don't know shit.

>>287258338
Mexico, Peru and Colombia, my favorite asian countries.

>>287260353
Thanks, I'll give it another shot. Maybe the manga this time.

>>287260330
>most of the literature about AI is in English and most of its development takes place in the English-speaking world.
If you're talking about AI in general, no that's false, China is actually leading for industrial AI, which were existed long before LLM.
What you said is only true for LLM, where the west does most of the research and funding .

>>287260404
>What you said is only true for LLM
That's what people are talking about. You're just being pedant if you go "um acshually Japan is the lead on videogame AI systems"

>>287260132
The best material about this series is AI generated if you know what I mean.

>>287260414
The way people approach AI is also different in the west and the East:
The US is trying to use AI to get rid of white collar jobs.
The East is trying to use AI to get rid of blue collar jobs.
Europe is just trying to tax the models.
AI is also considered most of the time as a tool in the East while the west treat it as a magic lamp who can do everything.
Listening to anglo about AI doesn't work when the way they view AI is fundamentally different from the start.
Also you have bullshit like >>287260368 mentioned and all of the AI apologist like Jensen are selling you the moon when they can't actually deliver.

Why do people like AI art? It looks so off.

>>287259834
Jap delusions about piracy is what unites them, so they'll never let go.

>>287258489
Pretty much. It's never good artists either but the easily replaceable ones with no imagination or foresight.

take the kubopill and simply omit drawing backgrounds

>>287260523
Nope, once you feed an AI enough input of a given artist, it will become just as good, with minor correction anyone can do when it's not.
The "good" artists are not saying shit because there's nothing they can do and most of them are leveraging their current popularity to protect their jobs.

>>287260523
the more money gets poured into the tech the better it'll get, especially if it reaches the point of recursive self-improvement
There's no good reason to think it'll plateau at "only able to replace the bottom tier of artists" even if that's all it's currently capable of

>>287260571
It's still far away from being identical even with things like controlnets and such though. The merit to good artists isn't just technical ability, but knowledge, creativity, imagination, wisdom and ability to create new designs and much more. And once it gets there whether its a year from now, 2, or a decade, it will just become another tool.

>>287260604
I've never said anything about plateaus though. I merely commented on the current state of affairs.

>>287248434
>pour money into the studio
Animation studios produced better quality shows when they were forced to work within their means.
The money I spend on figgies and dakis does not directly translate to more time spent animating, it goes to funding more advertising in fucking shibuya.
MY money is not reinvested into the work, it's invested into getting some Kadokawa faggots 125 billion yen bonus.

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>>287258338
The media in the west is far more polarizing on AI.
The chat only reveals the perspectives of the public in those regions which is a better indicator of how the media at large portrays AI rather than who is more 'deranged'

>>287260414
it's an important distinction to make that a very large number of people would fail to take into account.
+

>>287260608
>knowledge, creativity, imagination, wisdom and ability to create new designs and much more
Literally all that can be done by the guy entering the prompt.
AI literally allow ideas guys with no technical skill to make stuff using the artstyle of anyone.

>>287247945
the anime is whatever but the books are very good if your into autistic worldbuilding.

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>>287260286
>That's my genuine impression. Does it get better compared to early on?
New anon here, I ended up reading the manga and picked up the novels for a bit from where that ended.
By the 11th novel it's still largely a vapid slow-life isekai.
I distinctly remember dropping it shortly after introducing magic stone mounts, where people ride griffons, lions, and other interesting animals only for Myne to pull out pic related.
Up until this point I was holding out hope for the plot to kick in and reveals to start and the intrigue to pick up, given how many novels there are in parts 4 and 5 but I just couldn't suspend disbelief anymore.

>>287251095
its in the OP nigger.
Do you faggots even watch anime or on your phones? Use your eyes.

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>>287260816
>can shape your high beast however you want
>mc makes a cute animal with a roof
>"AHHHHHHHH MY SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEEEEEEEF HEEEEEEEEELP"

>>287251840
Japanese decide what is morally correct by what the corporations tell them. Literal slave labor mentality burrowed into them from birth. If corpos tell them ai=good they will agree because that is the new societal consensus.

>>287260816
> Shitting on red panda car
A man devoid of joy

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>>287260755
The results you get from pure prompting are dogshit. Properly used AI for anime will look something like pic related, where you provide enough information to get something consistent and human editable. Also for things like inbetweening or coloring.
AI replaces some amount of menial labor, generally not thinking or skills (unless you are just producing slop).

>>287260985
we all know this isnt how ai will be used. just like cgi anime for every half decent one (lol) theres 40 episodes of retarded looking cgi horses and dancing.

>>287260998
If people want to make slop nothing will stop them. If people will eat any slop is quite doubtful. Things like CGI berserk had terrible reception, I'm surprised they actually executed the 2 season plan before killing it.

>>287260985
So you agree that technical skill trump most everything and that none of the things you previously mentioned actually matter that much compared to it ?
And you dont need to be an actual artist to direct something (if that's what you meant by "thinking"), though it help.

>>287261033
people are eating more and more slop happily, and calling it great. The only good thing is my backlog still has enough shows to last till im 80 without needing to consume the coming onslop of garbage.

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>>287245803
Holy FUCK. I just LOVE how hard CHADcendance of a Bookworm makes the cantankerous overseas and Japanese anti-AI crowds BLITHER and SPITTLE with FURY!
>>287248434
>>287259834
>>287259857
>>287260521
Being anti-AI and pro-piracy do not mix in Japan

>>287261089
that anime is funny since the anti-ai crowd was correct on all fronts kek

>>287260286
>nearly skipping whole episodes
no it's not for you. crafting autismo changes to mild mystery of hogwarts and noble politics, but that's it.

>>287248434
>can't be without mentioning piracy
jap cattle are always funny

>>287261625
>>287260857

>Everyone starts using AI
>AI center goes down because it's a moneypit
>No one nows how to draw backgrounds anymore
>Entire generation of shitty backgrounds as people need to re-learn the skill
How much worse would be compared to went Flash and Adobe went down? Those two already caused massive delays in production.

>>287261657
yeah that is true. very evident in the way they worship nintendo for example.

>>287261826
>suppose adobe falls
isn't there typescript to just use in its stead? that's free? i bet there already are scripts to convert js to ts and even le AI could do it.

>>287261930 (me)
ah fuck that's java.
but for photoshop and the like you have older pirated versions without subscription, and just like ms office, gimp or other foss alternatives would get a massive community boost to development if adobe sunk.

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>>287245803
>meanwhile a random frame from an opening of a random anime this season
who do we blame for this?

>>287259409
have you considered crying about it?

>>287261943
You can't used that for a massive studio. And how would you pirate a data center anyway.

>>287260857
>>287261625
>>287261657
No wonder why Japan is no longer based anymore

>>287258979
normal work hour is from 8am to 11pm. Overnight work is normal practice. One day off (Saturday) per month if you are not behind schedule, but you will. You get paid around 200 USD per month, that already included bonus and other stuffs like insurance, but if you leave within 6 months, you have to pay 2000 USD

>>287249343
sar

>>287248434
I'm both pro AI and pro piracy because I deny the legitimacy of a silly thing such as IP or copyright

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>>287264075
Is fine as long as you give proper credit and don't use it for profit, something AI retards are allergic to.

>>287264125
>and don't use it for profit
I do not care if you make money out of it, you are free to copy all you want, and sell the copies for all I care.
Do you think pirate sites don't profit? They have tons of porn site ads and donations to operate, they are not charities. And I bet you still used some of them.

I consider giving proper credit an expected courtesy, as to pretend you did it would be a lie. Likewise, I would like for companies to disclose if the anime/videogame/whatever has used AI. Not a necessity, but an appreciated courtesy.

>>287264217
Spoken like someone who has never done anything that takes years of training and effort by himself in his life.

>>287259212
That's commie shit. Are you a communist son?
(I jest but they've been programmed to that extent)

>>287262414
>You leave, you pay
Indentured serfs, in mah communist heaven vietnam?

If they don't have even what is still considered basic right here in the west, what was their revolution and war about?

>>287264217
nta but those pirate sites are run by third worlders
as a first worlder i think the corps here should at least try to make something original

>>287264260
Imagine if nobody was ever allowed to copy the steam engine, and the argument used was "well, YOU did not invent it!"
Absolute retardation. You can, at best, claim its kinda wrong to copy, there is no reasonable legal defense of IP law however. It's merely a whim.

If effort was what decided how much you should profit off something, miners would be the highest paid professionals on earth.

>>287245803
Probably wouldn't have thought twice about it if people weren't pointing out it's AI, honestly. In general though this feels like a bad use case for AI, it's a still that's going to get reused since it's in the OP, better off doing it properly. AI I feel has a place for grunt work like tweening but shouldn't ever be used for key framing or anything creative.

>>287264378
Most reputable mining companies offer a very decent pay and benefits package because its a very hard demanding job most people don't want to make. The main benefit is that you don't need any type of study or experience. It also attracts people that can't get any other type of job.
This is true for most high risk jobs, like those in high altitude.

Slop means its low effort, so anything that uses AI just feels like lower quality, low effort shit, simple as.

>>287264445
>a very decent pay and benefits package
Higher than the pay of those offering those packages?
I didn't say they are starving, I said they are not the highest paid professionals, because effort does not inherently correlate to a certain value.

Likewise an artist spending 5 minutes or 5 years on something is not really important. I don't even consider it an argument, in no way does it make IP law logically sound.

>>287264397
Give them a hand they'll take up the entire arm. AI slop is not the tool you think it is, it's just going to make the entire industry reliant on it to cut costs, not to make something good. "tweening" as you say is a crucial part of animation that goes way beyond just drawing in between lines. 2D animation is appealing because it's hand drawn, there's no shortcut possible if you want actual quality.

>>287264482
Lets put it this way, if you learn to be a miner, you can still do that even if you go to work on another mine even if the mine you started closes. If you do AI slop, you wont have the skills to do anything else if the servers go down.

>>287264886
>you go to work on another mine even if the mine you started closes
Only with the right instruments being given to them, or do most miners forge their own equipment? Sew their own clothes? Build their own industrial machinery?
Then likewise, if the servers go down he'll need another server

Not that its relevant AT ALL to the argument, but you are also wrong about this by thinking AI would not be a tool the same way a pickaxe, a ventilation system in a mine, etc etc are.

>>287262191
>East Asians
>Ever being based

>>287264968
Nigger if my computer and tablet break down I would still be able to animate if you give me a pen and a piece of paper. If those stop existing I would still be able to convey movement by drawing with random tools by grinding them on surfaces. If you rely on a software that can shut down for whatever reason you're a retard and won't be able to do anything else.

>>287265144
I was being sarcastic

>>287265249
Idiocracy is coming true in my lifetime. I hate it.

>>287264378
>>287264217
>I can pirate, therefore (billion dollar company turning piracy into an industry) can pirate too!!!!
At least have the decency to repeal all the retarded IP laws if you actually believe that.

>>287265249
if you can keep pens in your drawer, you can keep a dvd disk or cloud copies of your essential software, midwit.
inb4 dvd drives can be external, or use a HDD.

>>287265249
>If those stop existing I would still be able to convey movement by drawing with random tools by grinding them on surfaces
Oh, and you would get a multimillion dollar anime series out of that?
No, of course not, yet another non sequitor that doesn't address the argument at all.

Cooking is a very transferable skill, and more useful, yet I don't think cooks should be paid more than artists, or that recipies should be copyrighted. It really does not matter if you can transfer your skill to some other use, its literally not relevant at all, it doesn't even begin to have anything to do with the argument that was being had.

>>287265410
>I can pirate, therefore (billion dollar company turning piracy into an industry) can pirate too!!!
Correct, everyone should be able to pirate
>At least have the decency to repeal all the retarded IP laws
I wish I could, alas, most people support the current state of IP law as you can see in this thread, and there will be no change on the matter in my lifetime.

>>287265475
I love how you try and avoid saying what's left for AIfags once servers prove unprofitable and go the way of the SORA, shutdown and move on to something that actually makes money for shareholders.

>>287265589
>I love how you try and avoid saying
I have no reason to avoid it, I don't depend on AI and I don't care if they all starve when the bubble pops

I simply reject any retarded argument about muh ip, muh artists, and muh whatever, especially since every time someone tries to defend these positions he does so by spamming irrelevant non sequitors like you are right now
>h-huh they will starve!
Ok and? That doesn't prove me wrong at all, it doesn't even tackle my position.

>>287265645
>>287265645
The only people who don't care about rights are those who merely consume but never produce.

>>287265704
TRVKE

>>287265526
>At least have the decency to repeal all the retarded IP laws
>I wish I could
how would novel authors earn instead?
even main is a big IP mogul in the story, along her means of production.

>>287265704
>The only people who don't care about rights
But I do care about rights
I reject that as a right, as I said, imagine a world where copying the steam engine was prohibited to anyone but its creator. Absolute nonsense.
In fact, everyone kinda rejects that right, as IP is still treated different than real property, because deep down everyone knows it's fake, not real property.

> those who merely consume but never produce.
There are authors who have published copyright free books against copyright.
So no, you are not even correct. At the end, even the pathetic ad hominem fails after the shower of non sequitors.

jeet gonna jeet

>>287265526
based
let's arrest the billionaires then

>>287258961
Okay I think I'm going insane, I went through a bunch issues on sadpanda but couldn't find it.
But I'm SURE I saw it there.
Maybe it wasn't a Comic LO? I remember reading one well-established anthology on panda months ago and suddenly one of the works was clearly AI generated, the comments were all talking about that.
Fucking hell

>>287265784
>how would novel authors earn instead?
People would still buy their books, just like I have games in my steam library even though I often pirate.
Just like people buy patreon content even though it will be up on youtube in a week.
Just having the copy before publishing it is enough to ensure a market advantage over everyone else who would merely copy, just like with everything else.

You cannot imagine a world where different ways to monetize exist simply because they are not being employed by novelists right now
Obviously their profits could decrease (COULD, because an IP free world could also popularize their stories much more than a world where people have to pay to read their stuff first, thus it would incentivize more readers and potential future customers), but at this point we are not defending a fundamental right we are defending a profit margin with arbitrary specific numbers.

>>287266021
And what's stopping IP theft?

>>287265891
>let's arrest the billionaires then
I mean, fine. Sounds like a non sequitor because arresting the billionaires would not remove IP law, it would stay there.

Sounds like you are moving the goalpost because you didn't actually think I would stand for my position. Arrest them if you want, I don't see what this has to do with the argument.

>>287266097
>IP theft?
Huh?
I thought I was very clear.
IP theft cannot exist, it's a copy, it cannot be theft because nothing has been stolen, only copied.
And you cannot own a thought, so IP does not exist in the first place.

What would stop IP ""theft""? Hopefully nothing, that's the idea I'm peddling here.

>>287266166
>I thought I was very clear.
You weren't.
>IP theft cannot exist, it's a copy, it cannot be theft because nothing has been stolen, only copied.
And you cannot own a thought, so IP does not exist in the first place.
So if you write a story, you won't mind if I literally copy paste it and only swap your name with mine and sell it as my own?

>>287265848
>There are authors who have published copyright free books
True
>against copyright.
Doubtful, I have yet to see anyone saying "you shouldn't own the right to the thing you made"

>>287266261
>You weren't.
I very overtly was considering I was arguing against the removal of IP law
>you won't mind
Of course I will mind.
You would be lying, it would be a bad thing to do. Would it be property theft? No, it would be plagiarism.
I don't believe that simply because something upsets you it should be your right. Yes, it would upset me, no, I don't magically gain an "IP right" just because someone upsets me just like a troon doesn't gain a "don't misgender me" right just because he's upset.

>>287266166
>>287266166
I made a thing. I want the right to decide how the things is sold and reproduced. If you make a thing you can choose to make it open source. But that's your deal, not mine.

>>287266021
>Just having the copy before publishing it is enough to ensure a market advantage over everyone else who would merely copy, just like with everything else.
digital books? music? once it's out it's out and zero effort to propagate.

>>287266406
>Would it be property theft? No, it would be plagiarism.
Plagiarism fall under IP theft in most countries.
>You would be lying, it would be a bad thing to do
And what are you going to do about it?
>I don't believe that simply because something upsets you it should be your right. Yes, it would upset me, no, I don't magically gain an "IP right" just because someone upsets me just like a troon doesn't gain a "don't misgender me" right just because he's upset.
So... you would do nothing to stop me?

>>287266398
>Doubtful
Well I had no doubts you had not read much about the topic, don't worry. Feel free to search a pdf of Kinsella's "Against intellectual property"
>anyone saying "you shouldn't own the right to the thing you made"
That's a completely different thing, that's what IP supporters argue. To demonstrate:
>Grug and Brub are on a desert island
>Both foraging, Grug decides to sharpen a stick he found to hunt
>Seeing this, Brub also picks up a different stick, and sharpens it
>But this is Grug's invention, his creativity, and his "Intellectual Property" is being violated by Brub copying him without buying a patent
>Grug thus steals Brub's stick
Notice how Brub should have owned the thing he made, yet it was stolen from him by the IP defender Grug. Likewise, IP law prevents me from owning my computer, as I am not able to download copies of things on it, or use AI to generate copies of things (WHICH DOES NOT REMOVE THE ORIGINAL FROM THE OWNER)
The original creator is NOT being taken the ownership away, the book they wrote is STILL in their possession, as it was not theft but a mere copy, a reproduction.

>>287266486
It's funny how dumbfuck Commies and Ancaps agree on this.
t. Objectivist

>>287266620
You're giving an example that doesn't work on a capitalist society where those guys are tying to live from their creative process. Is the dumbest example you can give.

>>287266570
>Plagiarism fall under IP theft in most countries.
Correct, which is what I am arguing against
>And what are you going to do about it?
I could easily prove I was the first publisher of the thing, simply by having published it earlier, therefore just like people pay for patreon or buy games on steam, my version would be the highest grossing, and your imitation niche at best.
People like you, for example, who think plagiarism is bad, would rather buy my copy than the plagiarized one. Your existence is proof that it would naturally work out for me.
>>287266509
And yet I have proven you with the patreon and steam game example that still won't destroy artists.
>>287266486
> I want the right to decide how the things is sold and reproduced
Again, imagine if we had to wait for permission to start using the steam engine. What you are proposing is insanity. Let's unpack
>I made a thing
You made the original copy, not every single copy of the steam engine
>I want the right
You wanting something is not an argument
>to decide how the things is sold
You can sell your original copy
>and reproduced
And what gives this desire of yours the right to choose how other people use THEIR means of production? Does your desire supercede their right to their own possessions, such as their canvases that they are using to reproduce?

>>287266620
But that's not an example of IP theft.
IP theft in your case would be making a iphone and selling it as such.
China made many iphone clone and are selling them worldwide without issue, simply because it doesn't bear the name of "Apple".

>>287266817
> wait for permission to start using the steam engine
Are you stupid
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/patenting-high-pressure-steam-engine

>>287266744
>your example doesn't work because uhhhhhhhh you dumb or something
Brub is also trying to live off Grug's creative process
You can scale up the example, it doesn't change, you are violating Brub's rights egregiously to defend a petty desire.
Modern capitalist society if anything proves me right: did movies stop grossing when the internet was invented and people started pirating? Did books? Does Patreon not exist, giving the pioneer's advantage to the content creator over the pirates?

>>287266915
Correct, in the book about Kinsella I posted about >>287266620 he does discuss the insanity that some advances of the steam engine came out decades later because of patents
You saying "See? IP fucked up everything" does indeed prove my point. It's pure insanity. It stifles creativity and innovation instead of strengthening it.

>>287266977
>>287266977
You read one book and decided to base your entire dialectic on that, clearly the patent of the steam engine didn't stop progress, it gave time for people to test other things as alternatives.

>>287266859
>But that's not an example of IP theft.
Of course it is
>China made many iphone clone
China doesn't have strict IP laws which has allowed them to rapidly industrialize. In the US such bootlegs would be outlawed by IP law, the same I'm fighting against. Which is why said bootlegs are not european or australian but chinese.
>simply because it doesn't bear the name of "Apple"
There are key differences in the product, that's not true, they are not the same but without name, at least not the mainstream ones that have the public attention.

>>287267022
>You read one book and decided to base your entire dialectic on that
No, I'm giving a source, especially since I was challenged by someone claiming no such books or arguments have every been made. I can argue fine about stuff that's not in the book, for example I've used Steam and Patreon.

>clearly the patent of the steam engine didn't stop progress
But it did, it slowed down by deacades some advancements.
I never claimed that current IP laws means no progress can be EVER made, that would be a stupid claim because progress IS being made today. Just that at its core IP law is incorrect, based on absolutely no sound definition of what is a "right", and it slows down innovation instead of safeguarding it as is often claimed.

>>287267145
>have every been made
>deacades
Good morning, saar. How's the weather in Mumbai?

>>287266817
>simply by having published it earlier, therefore just like people pay for patreon or buy games on steam, my version would be the highest grossing, and your imitation niche at best.
Except that it's not how things works IRL.
See netflix, it's not a new idea, there's several company that did netflix before they actually did but only netflix succeeded despite netflix coming years after them.
>I could easily prove I was the first publisher of the thing, simply by having published it earlier
People don't actually care, see how gacha are all copying each others and how they all have their own following.
>would rather buy my copy than the plagiarized one
Again the netflix example. ALL the netflix precursors are dead or dying.
You have no guarantee that you would be the biggest around, despite having made the original idea.
And if anything, most people stealing from you would accuse you from stealing from them to get the public on their side and once they did, it matter very little what proof you can show them because most of them won't even bother looking at it.

>>287267241
Whatever anon
I quickly typed "decades" wrong, I guess you win the argument now.

>>287267145
Oh fuck is reddit shit
>I am Stephan Kinsella, a patent attorney and Austrian economics and anarchist libertarian writer who thinks patent and copyright should be abolished.
>I'm a practicing patent lawyer, and have written and spoken a good deal on libertarian and free market topics. I founded and am executive editor of Libertarian Papers (http://www.libertarianpapers.org/), and director of Center for the Study of Innovative Freedom (http://c4sif.org/). I am a follower of the Austrian school of economics (as exemplified by Mises, Rothbard, and Hoppe) and anarchist libertarian propertarianism, as exemplified by Rothbard and Hoppe. I believe in reason, individualism, the free market, technology, and society, and think the state is evil and should be abolished.
>I also believe intellectual property (patent and copyright) is completely unjust, statist, protectionist, and utterly incompatible with private property rights, capitalism, and the free market, and should not be reformed, but abolished.

He thinks Disney should be able to make LotR content since Tolkien's wishes are irrelevant, cool

>>287267053
I literally told you that those chinese bootlegs are sold worldwide, it dopesn't matter how loose their laws in their countries, they have to comply if they sell outside of it.
Also you're literally saying that bootlegs are the same and directly after you're saying that those bootlegs are not the same.
Which is it?

>>287267255
>Except that it's not how things works IRL.
Yes it is, steam and patreon are not bankrupt.
> there's several company that did netflix before they actually did but only netflix succeeded despite netflix coming years after them.
And? Companies that offer similar services come and go for several reasons, do you perhaps think a single fast food chain should be legally allowed and every other one outlawed?
Clearly Netflix was created in a better situation, or was able to offer their service in a more widespread manner.
>People don't actually care
You care, you are arguing with me, 99% of people disagree with me.
If people didn't care they would vote against IP and back me up on this. People care A LOT.
As I said, Steam is not bankrupt yet piracy is easy as fuck. In some countries its LEGAL to pirate and Steam and developers STILL PROFITS EASILY.

>see how gacha are all copying each others and how they all have their own following
>ALL the netflix precursors are dead or dying
You are comparing a literal plagiarized novel, as in, my copied writing under a different names to "insipred by" or "offering a similar service".
If your argument is coherent, next you will claim nobody should have anyone with superpowers in their media because marvel and dc should sue them into oblivion. Or that japanese anime studio should not exist because old western animated studios died deacades before. No, it's nonsense, it doesn't track with what you actually even believe in as I'm sure you are not ACTUALLY saying that, but it's the logical implication of the bad arguments you are making with netflix and gacha as examples.

>>287267053
>China doesn't have strict IP laws
Only for cultural productions.
Everything related to heavy industry and high-tech related is basically the same as the west.

>>287265704
true, and the rise of ai is a symptom of excessive consumption in society
when confronted, aisloppers will say that anime is trash anyway because all of it is generic isekai
they only know of mass-produced trash for tasteless people, because that is all they consume. thus they will happily suckle from their brand-new source of endless garbage

>>287267539
aren't they famous for stealing tech, plagiarizing and so on? or is that only from the rotten west

>>287267345
>Also you're literally saying that bootlegs are the same
No, I'm saying the chinese don't give a shit about IP law, but since america does they change their products to be able to sell them in the west
>>287267340
>He thinks Disney should be able to make LotR content since Tolkien's wishes are irrelevant, cool
Of course it should. Lotr fanfiction is online, RIGHT NOW, LEGALLY. And guess what? People still prefer the original novels.
And Amazon is doing RIGHT NOW shitty lotr adaptations. Wouldn't be better if more people could compete at who does it better instead of letting Amazon rape it and claim its their sole right? You couldn't have given a worse example

Furthermore, Lovecraft has been public domain for years. Did people stop reading his original stories? No.
We got a bunch of shitty videogames... and? What's wrong with shitty videogames having Cthulhu? How does it violate any right?
Even current IP law goes against this idea of permanent IP. Imagine if an inventor died and everyone was prohibited forever from using his invention. What a retarded position.

>>287267145
>e claiming no such books or arguments have every been made
The claim was that no one who produces art argues that, and I was right since your defense is a patent lawyer, not an artist.

>>287267678
>The claim was that no one who produces art argues
Nope, what was actually said was "merely consume but never produce" >>287265704
Writing a book is producing instead of consuming, so you were not right, and now you are dishonestly moving the goalpost.

Please this is getting tiresome. Also why should the author of a philosophical, political, instruction manual, etc etc book have less "rights" than the author of a book that doesn't fit those cathegories? Why doesn't Kinsella's book count? It tracks with all the arguments that have been given about the topic that he would be included.

>>287267493
>Yes it is,
Nope, Charles Goodyear died pennyless despite creating modern rubber, by your logic he should be super rich.
>And? Companies that offer similar services come and go for several reasons, do you perhaps think a single fast food chain should be legally allowed and every other one outlawed?
Clearly Netflix was created in a better situation, or was able to offer their service in a more widespread manner.
So you agree that being first doesn't mean that you will be the biggest around?
>You care
Sure, but I'm not "the people".
>If people didn't care they would vote against IP and back me up on this. People care A LOT.
People care about their favorites, not about who did it first.
>As I said, Steam is not bankrupt yet piracy is easy as fuck. In some countries its LEGAL to pirate and Steam and developers STILL PROFITS EASILY.
If you ignore every company that went bankrupt and only focus on the succsful ones, sure.
>You are comparing a literal plagiarized novel, as in, my copied writing under a different names to "insipred by" or "offering a similar service".
No, I'm saying that being first doesn't mean that you would be the biggest around, hence the netflix example.
In fact, I didn't mention IP at all when I talked about netflix.
>as I'm sure you are not ACTUALLY saying that
Because I wasn't...
>but it's the logical implication of the bad arguments you are making with netflix and gacha as examples.
It's not but at no point you proved that being first automatically meant being the biggest around.
So I'll just copy your work, swap the name and call you a thief for stealing "my" story.

>>287259620
Dude, when fence sitters get told they can't sit on the fence, they always go AGAINST the side that told them that. You would think you retards would have seen this shit play out enough in recent history to recognize it by now. I am personally not pro-AI, but people like you make me not want to lift a finger to try to avoid it.

>>287267634
>stealing tech
They do steal western tech but they reproduce it in a way that is not 1:1 so they can't be sued.
>plagiarizing
This imply a cultural product, which is not included in what I said.

>>287267823
>by your logic he should be super rich
>So you agree that being first doesn't mean that you will be the biggest around?
Of course, I argued it will give you an advantage, not a 100% chance of success.
Nothing guarantess a 100% chance of success, there is no "right to have success", nobody can make you leverage the pioneer's advantage perfectly, that's on you.

I was asked "how could they monetize"? And I proved it was very much possible, and has been done before.
>Sure, but I'm not "the people".
Every single person in this thread disagrees with me because of righteous indignation about "theft". I myself buy products I could pirate

>If you ignore every company that went bankrupt and only focus on the succsful ones, sure
Again, it's all this misunderstanding that you seem to think I'm guaranteeing anyone something as deranged as 100% success rate.
Yes, companies go bankrupt. Woah. Now what?

>>287267648
>Did people stop reading his original stories? No.
Actually most of them did stopped and only know him through works that loosely use his works or through wikipedia.
We're in an era where less and less people read book if there's no pictures attached to it.

>>287267789
>Writing a book is producing instead of consuming,
No, lawyers don't really do that, they merely analyse the law.

>>287267943
Good, so now:
I stole the story you made, swapped your name with mine and called it my own creation and I'm also more popular than you because I release it in an era where these kind of stories are trending AND I'm preemptively accusing you to have stolen my story just to get the public on my side.
What are you going to do it about it?

>>287267951
>Actually most of them did stopped
No, people into reading never stopped reading lovecraft, you are now confusing the fact that we live in a generation with more non book media in it with the IP argument. The people who only watch tv would not read him regarless of him being copyright protected or not.

Lovecraft books sell MILLIONS annually, go into your local library and you will find tons of his stuff, it never stopped selling, and never will unless people simply cease to read (which would be a completely unrelated problem to IP and is happening regardless of books being protected by IP)

>>287268123
>Lovecraft books sell MILLIONS annually
Post sources because my country is amongst the one that read the most in Europe and even selling 50k is considered huge here.

>>287268074
>because I release it in an era where these kind of stories are trending
So, a different era with a different market? Fair game
>AND I'm preemptively accusing you to have stolen my story just to get the public on my side.
You are going to get in the worst controversy of your life considering there is easily both online and offline proof that you are lying
>PEOPLE WON'T CARE
Kek, this thread exists because people do care even when its NOT real plagiarism. You will kill your own reputation not mine.

>>287268172
>a different era
a few years are enough.
>You are going to get in the worst controversy of your life considering there is easily both online and offline proof that you are lying
>You will kill your own reputation not mine
Just like openAi, right? Chat GPT is dead and buried and not the most used AI agent by normalfags, right?

>>287268255
>Just like openAi, right? Chat GPT is dead and buried and not the most used AI agent by normalfags, right?
I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused. Whose story has Chatgpt taken and sold, without any changes except writing "chatgpt" as the author, while preparing to smear the reputation of the original author pointing at him as the plagiarizer?

Because the simple answer would be: people are not mad at open ai because open ai did not do any of the things of your deranged hypothethical. It did much more minor things, such as, vaguely paraphrase while still sourcing the original author.

>>287268167
>Post sources
That's an unreasonable request because, being public property, direct evidence of sales cannot exist. Likewise, you would be unable to prove to me Lovecraft is selling poorly, which is why I wouldn't ask you for sources for your position. It's akin to asking to prove God's existence.

The reason I can confidently claim it is because
>He's in every single library
>Copies of the books are also in every hobby shop (Some are even sold together with the ttrpg games in a package)
>I personally know several owners of Lovecraft stories, myself included
I can thus conclude its still selling strong, people still read his stories (At least, people who usually read. Non readers obviously do not consume books)

>>287268327
OpenAI used the entirety of zlibrary and anna's archive to train Chat GPT and said that it was entirely their own data and basically every author in the west are getting together to sue them.
The fact that you don't know about this despite being a fact known in every tech community says a lot of how little normalfags care about the original author.

>>287268428
>Likewise, you would be unable to prove to me Lovecraft is selling poorly, which is why I wouldn't ask you for sources for your position.
Define "selling poorly" because my country actually has a weekly top 200 ranking for book sales.
And before they put a paywall on it, Lovecraft never showed in the top 200 when several manga actually did.
Also you went from "selling millions" to "selling strong", I cannot agree with the former but I can with the latter.

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While I was watching I couldn't help but notice in the OP that Myne looked super uncanny-valley for me at times. Like, I know this is subjective and whatever, but for some reason it just looks a little uncanny to me when she smiles. Did it happen to anyone else?.

>>287268445
>train Chat GPT
... And?
>The fact that you don't know about this
I do know this, I just think you don't see where your logical line breaks

Training someone with my copy of the book, akin to what they do in elementary school, and publishing the same book under a fake name while also trying to smear the author, are two different things. Chatgpt is not offering zlibrary, it's offering a completely different service, which includes zlibrary but is not limited to it. This differs from the example where the book is sold AS IS. What you are actually arguing against is: fanfiction. Chatgpt is guilty of the equivalent of writing fanfiction of my novel and selling it under your name while denying any inspiration from my work. Which is bad but not nearly as egregious.


Furthermore, if you REALLY believe it to be wrong, you better never light up a fire before you ask permission to the first caveman who ever discovered fire permission, or you are a filthy thief! It all comes back to this argument >>287266620
Your argument simply isn't reasonable, we are stuck in perpetual paralisls when nobody is ever able to use anyone's knowledge or discovery without permission, you are arguing for permanent stagnation

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>>287268735
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>>287268711
>And before they put a paywall on it, Lovecraft never showed in the top 200 when several manga actually did.
It can't because Lovecraft is not restrained in editions as its not anyone's property, so it cannot be properly counted like a manga.
However, I'm willing to concede the "millions" could be an exaggeration, I do believe it but I can't prove it beyond any doubt, the general point I'm making is: people still read lovecraft.

>>287268765
>Training someone with my copy of the book,
It would be a book that you stole in this case.
>and publishing the same book under a fake name
OpenAI did claim at first that it was their own 100% origjnal data.
>while also trying to smear the author
They also did but quickly realized that they would get BTFO in court, hence why they're asking the POTUS to pass a law that legalize piracy for training AI models.
>Chatgpt is not offering zlibrary, it's offering a completely different service, which includes zlibrary but is not limited to it
Ok?
>This differs from the example where the book is sold AS IS
Earlier version of ChatGPT could actually output entire books with the right prompt.
And probably still possible even now, just much harder to do.
>you better never light up a fire before you ask permission to the first caveman who ever discovered fire permission, or you are a filthy thief! It all comes back to this argument >>287266620
I ignored this post on purpose because you cannot tell apart practical concepts from intellectual properties.
Anyone can light a fire once taught properly, which is why it's not copyrighted.
But most people cannot recreate a story like Ascendance of a Bookworm even if taught how to write, and the author would very much live from her writings which is why it is protected by IP laws and why most works fall into public domain after a certain amount of time.

>>287268735
>>287268768
>>287268802
No, I think so too.
It's probably AI but it was kind of expected considering how low budget the previous season were.

>>287269154
>But most people cannot recreate a story like Ascendance of a Bookworm even if taught how to write
You can easily type it out word by word
>But I mean ACTUALLY know how to write it!
Then we go back to the example of the stick: Brub doesn't have the intelligence or creativity to invent tools, but he can imitate the tool inventor, Grug

Likewise, I don't have the creativity or skill to write a book, but absolutely the skill to copy it, aking to Brub

I will stop replying now, not because of any gripe with the argument we are having but because not only I have stuff to do but also think we are fucking up the board against the rules. I'll simply leave with this, if you are interested in a better deep dive on the topic than I probably can offer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWmEXCJIIZ4&t=8033s

>>287269324
>You can easily type it out word by word
>Likewise, I don't have the creativity or skill to write a book, but absolutely the skill to copy it
But that's not what I'm talking about here.
Are you saying that if Ascendance of a Bookworm never existed, you would have recreated by yourself when you just admitted that you can't write for shit?

>>287269431
>Are you saying that if Ascendance of a Bookworm never existed, you would have recreated by yourself
No, just like Brub wouldn't have had the creativity to sharpen the stick to hunt, unlike Grug
I did address this specifically in the example. (at the end, I still replied only because it was a short question)

>>287269596
>Brub wouldn't have had the creativity to sharpen the stick to hunt, unlike Grug
Maybe he would if he tried instead of just copying like a robot, the fuck do you know.

>>287269596
>No
So do you acknowledge that a creator capable of such feat should be rewarded in some ways (I assume that you like the story since you're in a thread about it)?
>just like Brub wouldn't have had the creativity to sharpen the stick to hunt, unlike Grug
Your example is honestly bad because the concept of IP is meaningless in this context, it is objectively better for everyone involved to share discoveries since it will automatically mean better chances of survival for everyone involved.
Are you going to die if you don't copy someone else work in our modern era?
No.
But if the fire go out while Grug is sleeping and no one else can light a new one, Grug will certainly die in his sleep.

>>287269243
I don't really know if it's AI, like I'm not saying that in my case but, to me it just looks really uncanny regardless.

only Indians and the likes defend AI art, they're low IQ subhumans and are incapable of creating real art

Why is newest season airing at prime time along Conan?

>>287260816
This is cute as fuck. What exactly is the problem? Especially if it's something she designed herself.

>>287245803
How can people even tell this is AI?
Looks like a normal background for a low-mid budget anime. Looks ok

>>287262041
I'm watching this show.

>>287274982
I just ask the AI to tell me if they are an AI.

>>287273627
Why wouldn't it?

>>287273627
Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near.

>>287274982
(you) are blind

>>287260132
What's the tune from? I'm digging it.

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>tfw you'll never rub Mynes' Myne's

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>>287268735
Reminded me of the character designs in prism rondo. Not so much uncanny valley, but just very different from how we normally see her.

>>287258338
idk i just finished watching the reze movie blu-ray and there is more time devoted for the NO AI TRAINING disclaimer on the blu-ray than for the studio head credits

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>>287260985
pic related is a screenshot from the first series I remember seeing AI being used in. I don't think the example you provided is gonna be the standard for the anime industry

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>>287281374
for comparison
it looks nothing like what they hand draw

>>287274982
you need THICK glasses

>>287280728
Shin megami tensei
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb45pLOueOE

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>>287281374
>>287281440
Yeah, that's pretty blatant. Eyes staring off into the distance, flat emotionless eyebrows, generic open mouth. The AI pic doesn't convey the same feelings at all.

I love painted frames btw.

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>>287281816
For comparison.

Milky Holmes has so many of these, what a great anime. I should rewatch it.

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>>287281816
>I love painted frames btw.
same. It as a shame how they used ai for 90% of them in that series

>>287251604
I mean Main does have AI in it

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>>287245803
Can't wait to watch another season of Main inventing the fucking broom or whatever.

>>287248434
Unfathomably based. /a/ BTFO