Berserk post-eclipse is just edgier Shonen. I'm on Chapter 149, when does it get good again?
>>287274088>literally published in a seinen magazine>"shonen"
>>287274149You do know that not every series published in a seinen magazine is necessarily 18+ or even targeted at an adult audience, right?
>>287274149>ackshually, gay means happy
>>287274088You have to be a little older to understand the deeper themes behind all that action and angst, so I think it still fits the seinen genre, graphic content aside.
>>287274212Seinen is not a genre
>>287274088I fucking hate you Golden Age orphans.
>>287274088Golden age is edgy as berserk gets though and lost children as a whole is better
>>287274179They literally are. Seinen is a demographic.
>>287274391>>287274490reminiscent of pokemon fans complaining about genwunners despite obviously being the best material
>>287274149It's hard shoujo actually
>>287274088It never really gets as good as pre-eclipse. Not bad, just not as good.
>>287274663It doesn't matter whether it's better or worse, it's the incessant whining.
Maybe Berserk doesn’t deserve to be so highly rated everywhere when its entire rep is carried by one arc, or rather one event in particular which only lasts about 15-20 chapters out of the series that’s over 360 chapters
>>287274391There’s a reason why people only care about Golden Age, it’s literally the only part of the series worth reading. There are a few standout moments past that point like in ch. 129 but guts traveling with boring one note characters isn’t entertaining in the slightest. It began picking up momentum again when Falconia was established but then the creator went and fucking, he literally wasted his prime years writing lolicon and literal decade long boat shenanigans that berserk cockeaters force themselves to enjoy so that their taste doesn’t come off as vapid. That’s literally it. I don’t like zoomfag tourists either but I can’t say I entirely blame them on this one
>>287274771I blame the damn anime for only adapting the Golden Age and ending on the Eclipse. The entire point of Berserk is to show how Guts adapts to the changing age, how he closes himself off to avoid being hurt and how he has to gradually open himself up again to accomplish goals he can't do alone. But the anime showing a world of mercs and men with slight mysticism ending in an occult ritual spread the reputation that this is the only part of Berserk worth experiencing, and the majority of people unwilling to read manga instead of watch anime only further exacerbates this.We need a proper Berserk anime. From chapter 1 of Black Swordsman all the way to chapter 364 in Fantasia, the end of volume 41. Everything that Miura wrote and drew.
>>287274663kanto sucks ballsthe only good gen 1 pokemon are sandshrew/sandslash
>>287274212Interesting, the older I get the more dull and forced all the drama and tragedy in Berserk feel. Not as bad as Punpun but definitely up there.
>>287274490No one said GE wasn't edgy. Berserk has always been dark but it wasn't always straight misery porn. Every chapter just feels the same when the tone is the same
>>287274841>he literally wasted his prime years writing lolicon Duranki is by far his best work, both in art and writing>>287275194>it wasn't always straight misery pornneither was current berserk before Miura's death, what with all the Star Wars jokes
>>287275286It's still misery porn even with shitty comic relief jesters. The jesters even tell you as much, that the story would be too bleak without them
>>287274841I kind of liked the fact that the Godhands will always have one token girl/female/feminine teammate in the team.
>>287275175what is forced about punpun? i understand calling it misery porn but its about the journey, how the tragedies affect punpun and his life
>>287274088Seinen is about boring salarymen doing boring thingsAnything with fighting in it is shonen no matter how much titties and rape you cram into itSimple as
>>287275568The main theme of Berserk is to persevere through shit times and enjoy the good times. There's a lot of bad things happening but it's nowhere near the realm of misery porn even without Puck being comic relief (Puck is not eve in Golden Age), there are constant highs and lows. Note that a lot of retards complain about post-conviction because the tone has a clear shift towards being more hopeful and balanced, with it only starting to swing back to the darker stuff a bit before Miura passed.I don't know how you could consider Berserk misery porn when it was never intended to be something you read just to see the characters suffer. Even the first three volumes, which are not good, are about Guts killing apostles while being extremely edgy where the emotional notes come from the various side characters, most notably the count and his daughter.Miura even said in interviews Berserk would not have a sad ending since Guts doesn't deserve that.
Berserk is mid and Golden Age arc is overrated.
No.
Most of the side characters in Golden Age are forgettable. I like Puck, Serpico, Farnese, and Schierke more
>>287274088Sorry, it just peaked at Lost Children. You can stop now.
>>287276616>Puck, SchierkePedofag moment
>>287274841I like black swordsman and guardians of desire arcs, it's just a dude with a big sword going from town to town killing demonsWhy overcomplicate things
Explain one thing it has in common with shonen in the best of your ability,I will be waiting for a while
>>287277411This>muh deadweight loverBoring and uninterestingAlso Farnese best girl. Too bad she got the shaft and will probably and up with what's his name
unpopular opinion but boat arc is fucking kino if you read it in one go, Kentucky McChicken art peaked here also
>>287274088It doesn't. By the 2000s Miura was just done with it, spiritually speaking.
Is it true this is the Nana for men?
It's Devilman for gaijin
>>287276573Yes. Berserk is carried by the art but the writing is Dragon Ball tier with Miura writing by the seat of his pants. At least Toriyama didn't pretend to be writing something deep. Miura wrote himself into a corner multiple times because he didn't plan ahead and as a result you have things like the first 3 volumes not fitting with the rest or a second eclipse because he didn't know how to bring Griffith back. Also changing the tone of the story in accordance with how you feel does not make for compelling writing. I mean 30+ years were not enough for finishing a story so simple? LoL
>>287276715You love lost children don't you anon
>>287279073You cheeky fuck
>>287278248>the writing is Dragon Ball tierStop praising Berserk for a moment please.
Why does Guts only have sex with black people?
>>287279173This looks like a black woman to you?
>>287279419looks like pinocchio
>>287279457That's just uncalled for.
>>287277555Conflicts are almost exclusively resolved through fights
>>287279457KEK
>>287274236This is stupidly pedantic from you. Yes, it's a demographic, not a genre, technically speaking. But if that demographic has *constant* tropes, settings, and themes, which define the vast majority of works that come under it, then doesn't that make it a genre too?
>>287281539Consider that most CGDCT is seinen.
>>287281556Wrong.
Sex with Rosine (Moth form)
>>287274088I dropped it after they jump onto the boat.That shit get tiring after a while.
>>287281539Seinen isn't anywhere close to being a codified genre to the same degree as shonen, it is still for the most part a publishing category that covers everything from CGDCT to glorified shonen like Tokyo Ghoul.
>>287281539>But if that demographic has *constant* tropes, settings, and themesWhich are? In non-retard world, seinen magazine content typically just means more mature content, both in terms of violence/sex but also sometimes topics relating to adult oriented situations like marriage, midlife etc. But there are also many series which are in seinen magazines which in terms of writing and content could easily just be in a shounen magazine. IMO both of you make decent points but also sort of miss the mark because the real surveying of what is in seinen magazines is a lot more grey area than what you are asserting.
>>287276207>The main theme of Berserk is to persevere through shit times and enjoy the good timesNo it's just misery porn mixed with actual porn and gore. There is no "point" The story elements are secondary to the art. Berserk is more something to look at than to read
>>287276207why do people always have to read into things as if there's some overarching deep plot buried beneath the actual story? Do you think your life has some hidden subtext to it? No, you just go on and live and try your best. There's no message or "main theme" to Berserk. Guts is a guy who lives and overcomes because he doesn't want to die and like every other human being on earth, he wants to be happy, and he wants his sadness to disappear. And the story follows him as he tries to accomplish that goal.
>>287282935I'm the one with the shovel. I decide how deep things go.
>>287277644The boat arc is only hell if you read it at the time it was still being published, i read it recently and it's pretty comfy and not that big
>>287282993Wasn't THAT painful.
>>287282993Yeah it's not that big because he only released like 1-3 chapters a year for 9 fucking years
>>287282993The only annoying thing about it is the pirates' comedy gets really tiring very quickly. The rest is fine to me.
>>287274088Black swordsman arc was the edgiest part, though.
>>287283023That's what made it hell, the wait in between chapters, not the arc, least we got Isma before Miura kicked the bucket>>287283084I agree, the goofy pirates are a little to much, but we had nice moments like the final battle and the spooky village, it's definitively a arc that leaned to much on comedy, which I didn't mind that much it personally
>>287274149Miura considered Berserk to be a shoujo.
>>287277555Mozgus literally starts shouting his attacks in the Conviction Arc or whatever it's called. That's as shonen as it gets. The structure might be slightly different in that the mc doesn't win every single arc but it's still infantile
>>287274088it doesn't
*tips fedora*
>>287274841Imagine if Miura just focused on what is important and actually finished Berserk...
>>287274841This is another issue with Berserk. Most of the stuff post-eclipse is pointless fluff. There's no meaningful relationships between Guts and his party aside from the loli witch (miura wish fulfilling). Even though I like Farnese the focus she gets is a waste of time because she has no role to play in the story which involves just Golden Age characters.
>>287274088It's all downhill after the eclipse
>>287274088I think it's deeper than most shonen, you tend to notice it more on re-reads. Things are constantly calling back and linking with each other. Nearly everything that happens in the manga is singposted in Golden Age
>>287274088Lost Children, Conviction, and Ganishka's arcs are all better than the Golden Age.
>>287284873based
>>287274841>>287286178The entire Golden Age arc before Griffith's imprisonment is full of aimless BS like all the small battles against comically inept opponents. Berserk was never a focused 'all killer, no filler' series. Post Golden Age has stronger character writing, better visuals, and a greater sense of imagination.
>>287277644>>287282993My issue is that the Boat Arc doesn't really change any of the characters or substantially deepen any of the relationships for all the chapters dedicated to fighting the boring Cthulu dude. Like the entire value in the boat arc is the scene where Guts reveals that he's barely even alive at this point, and everything else is just spinning wheels.
>>287289126>Post Golden Age has stronger character writingAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
>>287284873What does your newfag ass coming to 4chan during or after the 2011 Reddit immigration have to do with Berserk?
What's happening with the current version of the manga? Kind of stopped caring about it after the first few chapters after Miura died.
>>287289661Guts got mind broken and entered the Hyperbolic Tree Chamber.That's all we know.
>>287279115The only merit DB ever had was action choreography. The characters and writing were always dogshit.
>>287284873Imagine actually being religious, lmao.
>>287288775Nothing tainted by Puck or Isidro could ever touch Golden Age
>>287290877Puck was there before Griffith or Casca. He's the heart of the manga.
>>287290923You're gay and noncey
>>287290967So was Miura.
>>287291006So you're saying Berserk is only good when it panders to gay pedophiles like yourself?
>>287291345>puck is pedobaitReally?
>>287289126>The entire Golden Age arc before Griffith's imprisonment is full of aimless BS like all the small battles against comically inept opponentsWhich is way it's overrated and kind of boring but Griffith's rise and fall and the eclipse are still the highpoints of the manga.>Berserk was never a focused 'all killer, no filler' series.And how did that work out, 30+ years later and no ending.
>>287291551You don't read an on-going manga to chase the ending. Miura died at a fairly young age to a freak genetic heart condition that no one could have predicted. It isn't like anyone could have predicted he'd randomly die when he did and told him to hurry it up. By that standard, any serialized author would have the same advice to finish everything ASAP so that you don't die in a car crash before you hand in the final chapter. Which is just a silly view.
>>287291006You were never supposed to self-insert as Donovan or Gennon
>>287291623>not dragging a single series out over the course of 30+ years is a silly viewYou need to get punched when you say stupid shit
