Is "over animated" the most braindead, nonsensical term to ever appear in the anime disclosure? Nobody who says it has the right to be taken seriously about anything.
I just think it looks stupid
Don't you mean discourse?
>>287310314>just repeat the same frames and make the screen shakeLazy hack job.
>>287310314>nooo if i speed up this clip of old piece that everyone likes my claims will magically become realJust like with "native isekai" the term exists because it expresses a very tangible grievance and it will continue being used in the future and no amount of seething will change that.
>>287310314Missing the point on purpose, the way you call it is irrelevant, you're dodging the issue that something is off/wrong with this kind of animation by focusing on the way people call it because it's somewhat difficult to explain how uncanny it is.
@(You)>tangible grievance>nooo why isn't my anime scifi gundamslop
>>287310314>if it looks like it’s viewed during an earthquake it’s SAKUGAGood animation conveys motion and weight. Over animation tries too hard to convince you of its motion and weight by overdosing, usually on motion
>>287310314What they mean is that the anime lacks a story or whatever so they just focus on the animation to make up for it instead. They're just not educated enough to analyze it like that.Also One Piece was so much better back then
>>287310445I like that garp van still manhandle Aokiji even when he was an admiral >>287310314I miss this one piece
>>287310314HOLY SHIT THIS AIR TASTES SO GOOD OM NOMNOMNOM
>>287310445this one is fine, just highly detailed and doesnt have many unnecessary movement>>287310314this one the other hand is shit for having so many unnecessary movements fhat are not even very detailed and readable
>>287310437I hope he gets paid well
Watch any old Nario Matsumoto or Mitsuo Iso animation and you can instantly understand the problem with many modern animation sequences. Usually it's an overreliance on cheap visual gimmicks instead of actual animation principles, but more importantly it's pacing. Smooth animation still looks like shit if it's not paced properly, which is WHY sakuga at its core usually looks good because animation is allowed to slow down or speed up as needed. You can fucking breathe as a viewer and impactful scenes have impact because they look and flow differently (this is also why Western animation usually sucks, everything is "consistent" so they can only make a scene important by having a ton of crazy shit happening at the same time)This doesn't even get into the problem with composition, the 180-degree rule, knowing what the fuck is going on in general. Live Action principles also apply to animation but anyone who just consumes flashy animations and regurgitates it will not understand the idea that there's an illusory camera involved.
>>287310314I was a day one naotoshi shida hater for his "60fps" sakuga animation since thriller bark. You cunts are all posers.
>>287310667Chengxi huang adopts norio style animation. Look him up.
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>>287310314I understand your point, but you are objectively wrong. Nearly every part of Luffy's fights in G5 have been way, way too fucking fast paced, and almost all of the shit Toei added is the very definition of 'over animated'.
>>287310445>This kills the OP>>287310667>cheap visual gimmickscould've just stopped there, this applies to pretty much anything made these days and not just anime
>>287310314You are a low IQ retard. You will never understand a lot of things.This looks like absolute dog shit
>>287310314Unnecessary Animation is more accurate, but that clip is also a directing and storyboard issue
>>287310667>but anyone who just consumes flashy animations and regurgitates/a/sisters...
>>287310393>old pieceHow can someone be so confidently wrong?
>>287310314>>287310805>dropped One Piece because I couldn't stand this dumb animation style anymore>>287310910>decided to check out the current episodes and it's even worseBravo, Toei.
>>287310314Overanimation is a real concept that even Japanese animators use amongst each others to call out other animations (they say it as "oh that animator is just jerking himself off")https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ulkFRXkvQ&t=5557sIn short; you're mad, will forever stay mad, because even animators themselves disagree with you. All you can do is seethe on 4chan about it.
>>287310314>more frames = better animationbraindead people think this
>>287310445Give me this any day over cheap CGI slop in most shows.
>>287311317>give me poop over shit any day!
>>287310445Soul.
>>287311327>Madhouse uses shitty CGI>Mappa uses shitty CGI>Bones uses shitty CGI>Pierrot uses shitty CGIToei has won. I guess it shouldn't be surprising. A poll was on done last year that showed Toei was the best place to work at because of good scheduling that doesn't lead to crunch, and eventual burnout
>>287310314>if you don't think MORE FLASHING LIGHTS means MORE BETTER then you're just STUPIDI have no rebuttal.
>>287311415All animation studios will face some degree of crunch as such is the nature of the industry, but the great thing about Toei's work culture is their mentorship opportunities. The studio has cultivated a strong learning culture in-house which is great for the young animators.
>>287311415Meanwhile Op fans on /a/ bash toei at any opportunity
>>287311415The Sunny has been CG for like 500 episodes bro
Someone post that modern spongebob clip to give a good example of over animation
>>287310512>back thenThis clip is not that old.
>anime disclosureWe need anime disclosure NOW
Anime was an outside job
>>287310314The problem is it looks bad when people shake wildly every time they move like their body is made of jello
>>287310805IWILLNOTLETYOUDESTROYMYWORLD
>>287311980what the fuck do you mean
>>287311431this arc was mediocre so is the animation. the whole season animation was meh, the aliens episodes were so bad
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>>287312678NTA but that clip definitely looks like a modern reanimation of an old episode.
>>287310314no, the most braindead, nonsensical term nowadays is "native isekai".I hate faggots that say that
>>287310910They could've made kino inspired by tom and jerry but instead we got this
>>287311645Not only that but wasn't Kaidou as well?
>>287312757>>287312854Stop samefagging you cuck. You're annoying.
>>287312788Interesting. I didn't know they did that.Now that you mention it there are a few seconds in that clip that look out of place kek
>>287311317this by op's standard is considered over animated because of the flourish's in movement.
>>287312886this isn't /opg/
>>287310314>>287310805Is this the same guy who animated/directed this? What the fuck is this style?
What was that one anime video where the camera zips around different parts of a school hallway and focusing on weird things like someone's hand as it sways back and forth while that someone is walking?
>>287310445Is this ai?
>>287310910SOVL
>>287313267Yes (but it's real)
>>287310314>Chinese gacha has the best version of this fighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X6lis-TIxcit's joever for japan
>>287310314Its good to have some restraint. You can do much more with less.https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=-zj6C_UihtY
>>287313174The one about the girl who can't see without her glasses?
>>287313589I wouldn't know. It was just so over-the-top with its shots and angles of mundane things that I could only remember the scene itself, not the source.
>>287310910I feel like Toei animated this assuming everybody watching already knows exactly how the fight goes down in the manga, so they threw clarity of movement out the window and just focused on making it as flashy as possible. You would NEVER be able to tell that this scene shows Luffy pulling up a sheet of rubberized earth from the ground and using it to bounce Kaido's dragon breathe right back at him if you didn't have prior knowledge of what happened.
>>287310910if I hadn't read the manga I would have no idea what is going on here
>>287312907thats were I differ in the meaning of overanimation since the movement is silky smooth but there isnt any unnecessary effects and movements
>>287310910And there is is. The perfect example of what people mean when they say something is over-animated. The average viewer will have absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on in this scene. It's a clusterfuck of catastrophic proportions. But even disregarding this scene, One Piece is still the poster child for over-animation just by virtue of the extent to which it turns scenes from the source material into a flashy spectacle to the extent that it detracts from what the scene was meant to convey. Luffy kicking Kizaru on Egghead is perhaps the exemplification of that. A moment that's meant to take place across two panels with the intention of showing speed and suddenness, turned into Luffy winding up an attack in an over-the-top fashion that makes the whole moment totally contrary to what way obviously meant to be portrayed on the page. It's complete shit, no matter how well-animated it is on a technical level. So yes, obviously over-animation is a real phenomenon. You're just fucking wrong if you think that it's not.
>>287310445This makes me irrationally angry
>>287313001>>287312891>>287311077>>287310805>>287310314I fucking hate Shida and his spastic flailing.
>>287310314I just think the act of sitting down and eating toast shouldnt take 80 minutes and 48746784628963285697643987 frames to animate.
>>287310314No, it's a real thing and it's fucking annoying to look at. Not our fault you're fucking blind.
>>287310314This is the equivalent of the quick cuts you see in live action media, that they use to make the scene more "dynamic" instead of actually using choreography.
manga has always been slideshow tier so it doesn't need such excessive animation and I find it distracting and overindulgent.
Why hasn’t anyone posted the bread webm yet
>>287310314I think it's more of an issue with people refusing to elaborate or expand upon what it means. It is an overused phrase, but I can get why people don't like that sort of cluttered storyboarding and animation. Even if the scene is technically well animated it's often not easily readable or decipherable in any given episode. Things should be sensible and sequential.I actually think the scene you posted is a decent example of how Toei's animation style can work when adapting One Piece's action, but a lot of the stuff during Egghead is definitely wonky looking and made to be clipped for social media.
>>287310393The problem with "native isekai" is it's been overused till it doesn't mean anythingPeople just throw words around without any care if it makes any fucking sense, and then even when they say something that does make sense you can't tell because that's not how they use words
>>287310805YEAH! SO CHOTTO MATTE!
>>287310910You know, I feel like you can edit out 90% of this but leave a few frames and have a decent sequence
>>287313001yes, Shida's been in Toei for decades. fun fact: he also animated this fight, however many years ago. can you even believe it?
>>287317053>>287310314Holy shit >>287310437
>>287310314Do they have a term for the face shot where the mouth wobbles a lot. I see it often in one piece webms posted on /a/ and it sucks. Whose terrible idea is making that a thing?
>>287310910The manga was so much better in every way
>>287310910My favorite part of Tom and Jerry was the completely unreadable action
>>287317053I finished Dragon Ball recently and it’s absolutely insane how much better the fight choreography is than literally any fight in One Piece from beginning to end.
>>287317876It's one specific animator, Naotoshi Shida, he got a lot of prominent scenes after the timeskip in OP but he got shafted into doing only transition shots now instead of whole scenes.
>>287312757Right there. That's my issue.
>>287310314Attention-chasing sakugafags ruined animation set piece sequences.Essentially it became a competition about making the most audacious sequence to the point it looks embarrassingly stupid.
>>287312724Disliking things doesn't make you interesting
>>287312724If you're that desperare, I guess the universe can spare this one (you)Here you go champ.
>>287310314I don't understand how you can defend this. This is clearly overly animated. What I can tell is that it's meant to be a simple kick to the head but got counter with a bite before pulling through the pain and landing it. It doesn't need all that extra scene like the head shaking. It's so random and add nothing to the show.>>287317053>>287310702>>287315896He did a few episodes of Digimon Beat break. I noticed it during the first episode. It's so dumb.
Shida is fine when he does simple quick stuff like thisHis fighting choreography usually looks like dogshit
>>287310314Naotoshi Shida has done permanent damage to anime and every scene he has ever animated needs to be redone by someone else
>>287311431This is fine. Overly relies on effects instead of actual animation but it's parseable.
