>character acts out-of-character in their first portrayalIs it okay for characters to act contradictory to their future portrayals when the authors themselves haven't figured out their personalities yet?
>>287327228This isn't out of character for Guts nor Bakugo.
>>287327262>GutsIt is, considering what we know about his sexual trauma and relationship with Casca.>BakugoEven Hori said he regrets making Bakugo say that
>>287327228How was this out of character for Frieren?
>>287327297I always assumed he knew that she was an apostle and was just fucking her to get her to reveal herself or let her guard down or something
>>287327850It was the apostle that killed Corkus
>>287327228Guts fucking the apostle happened in the first chapter, it’s not a big deal. Miura didn’t know all the details yet. Better to get this out of way early instead of retconning a character’s personality every other chapter like Araki
>>287327228Idk enough to defend the others but this is in character for guts. The whole point of the black swordsman arc was that he was going berserk through his rage and didn’t care about anything else. It’s why he left casca sitting in a cave the whole time. As others said he only fucked this “woman” because she was actually the apostle who killed corkus in disguise.
Sukuna isn’t acting out of character here, this is his introduction meaning Gege originally intended him to be some cannibal rapist but he changed into being just a generic fightfag
>>287327829Cope
>>287327951yeah I guess the first volume is basically him having an extended psychotic breakhe calms down a little afterwards
>the socially awkward retard suddenly starts yelling and launches into a speech at early-teen boy.Does that count as "acting out of character"?Or is this actually just a typical meltdown for an autist like him?
>>287327262I agree, Guts and Casca were broken up at that point and he was rabid on a quest for revenge
>>287327297Guts was deep in his miserable cunt arc and was willing to kill women and children. Why would he not fuck an apostle to let it let its guard down?
>>287327850If he knew she's an apostle he'd just kill her without the pointless song and dance. That's what Guts from the rest of the story would do.If he didn't know and that was just a happy coincidence, well, we didn't ever see Guts have sex with random whores either.
>>287328129He went through a lot of bullshit to get close to other apostles. He has a cannon arm, the "Pointless song and dance" gets him into murdering range.
>>287328042He is literally me when I was into emo.
>>287328129Maybe he heard a story about an apostle disguised as a whore and went to investigate, but didn't want to risk killing a random woman by accident.
>>287327262>>287327951no this is 100% out of character for guts, he hates being touched and has tons of trauma around sex. even if he knew she was an apostle there's no reason he'd fuck her
>>287328264He got over that when he and casca fucked
>>287328264It's not really out of character, but that also doesn't mean he got over it. He had a flashback when he had sex with Casca because of a ton of reasons that have nothing to do with his revenge on the female apostle. Mostly because Guts was paranoid of hurting Casca in the same way he was hurt, finding himself in the penetrating position. That doesn't mean Guts at his lowest couldn't have fucked an apostle he hated and then killed her.
>>287327850>>287328128even miura said in an interview it was out of character, he just didnt plan the entire thing from the beginning
>>287328365Miura said a ton of shit as he aged like he regretted making the Eclipse so harsh. Doesn't change the fact that it's not inconcievable that Guts would have done it.
>>287328303no he didn't, he actively avoided sex with anyone other than casca and never used sex tactically outside of the first chapter
>>287328385Then why did he almost rape casca if he still had a strong aversion to sex and physical touch?
Guts fucking apostle is clearly an out of character "look at how heckin hardcore my manga is" moment.Even at his lowest Guts would never resort to stuff like that to trick an apostle, he'd just straight up murder them, let alone the chungus-ized Guts from the later part.
>>287328582because he was being taken over by the beast of darkness
>>287327228bestselling, critically acclaimed writers manage to fuck up books and scripts they can edit before completion, authors in serialized mediums get a pass imo>>287328042it's implicit in his internal dialogue that it was just an act to toughen tanjiro, if anything it's ooc if you interpret it as him testing whether tanjiro could be slayer corps material or not
>>287327228I love shit like this. It's fun to go back to early chapters or episodes and see just how weird things were before the writer decided on what direction to take. In addition to the weird coat, I don't think Alucard ever says sorry after this
>>287328591The beast of darkness was a manifestation of Guts's deep desire anon. I don't understand the insistence that Guts could never use sex to lure a woman in. It's not even as if the manga doesn't involve women (Slan, Farnese) trying to use sex to trick Guts. Why wouldn't he do the same? That would not be OOC for Black Swordsman/Lost Children Guts.
>>287327297>his sexual traumaThat was a pure retcon to draw in a more "moderate", sustainable, non-incel audience after the first part of berserk had already built up the edgy incel fanbase.
>>287328590It’s just Miura copying the (almost) opening scene of Conan the Barbarian but with the twist that Guts knows he’s fucking a monster and is ready to blow its head off, while Conan fucked some random forest slut and she turned into a hagraven and he tossed her into a campfire with his typical movie version low iq grug tossMiura was like 18 years old when he wrote that scene so I’ll cut him some slack.not every story has to be perfect from the start to the finish, like even in the Bible half the books have God acting wildly out of character
>>287327228More like they're out of character in later parts because theyre afraid of fan backlash.
>>287328635>I don't understand the insistence that Guts could never use sex to lure a woman inhe doesn't though, outside of the first chapter. He never uses sex like that, rejects sex from women and rejects his own sexual feelings, and expresses disgust for men that sexualize women. He desires casca but is terrified of his desire because he deeply associates sex with violence and rape, and is only able to have sex with casca in specific circumstances where he feels safe.
>>287328669>guts getting rented out to a lazy eyed negro by his adopted dad and getting raped up the ass and traumatized for life to the point where he would freak the fuck out if anybody so much as touched his shoulder was “moderate”okey mane
>>287328635Is it really hard to figure out why people have this opinion? He never pulls tricks like that ever again, nor does he fuck, or expresses any desire to fuck, anyone other than Casca. I'd be one thing if he used brothels and shit but Miura went out of his way to show that he rejects advances from other whores.>>287328676>It’s just Miura copying the (almost) opening scene of Conan the Barbarian but with the twist that Guts knows he’s fucking a monster and is ready to blow its head off, while Conan fucked some random forest slut and she turned into a hagraven and he tossed her into a campfire with his typical movie version low iq grug tossExactly. Early Berserk is especially heavy on references.
>>287327228Yes
>>287328695>>287328730I'm not claiming he did that after, I'm saying it's not inconcievable that he'd do that. Guts's actions in Black Swordsman especially are somewhat self-harming. He tells a little girl to go kill herself and then immediately starts crying. Sex being traumatic for him doesn't mean it's out of the cards for how low he's willing to go to get revenge. He doesn't care whether he destroys himself along the way until later, when he's reminded of Casca's existence after he gets the guts to go back.
>>287328765>He tells a little girl to go kill herself and then immediately starts cryingyeah, that's actually in character thoughhe's edgy in lost children too, but he rejects sex
>>287327228Frieren shows acts of emotion from time to time so it's not out of character.
Why is Frieren there? It's intentionally out of character because that was the fucking point.
>>287327228Another retard filtered by Frieren.
>>287328773He wasn't offered the opportunity for sex in Lost Children
>>287327829That was the one of the few times she actually showed some emotion
>>287328887You didn't watch it, so I can understand how you would get that impression from memes and trolls, but she's emotional all the time.
>>287328870farnese tried to fuck him
>>287328823Yeah, Fireren simply has absolute garbage writing all around.>>287328896Not like that, and the other emotional outburst completely destroys the same premise of the series.
>>287328915That was after lost children. But Farnese is different. She's not someone who presented a threat to Guts in any way. Or anyone he had a personal grudge against. It's not a stretch to me that as soon as he had Casca back within his line of view he began to have more of a reason to live than just revenge.
>>287328979ok it was right between lost children and convictionthe point is guts avoids physical contact, especially sexual contact, with anyone other than casca
>>287328990I know. Just because he didn't repeat the behavior after that one time doesn't mean it's necessarily "out of character" for him to do that though. Personally I view stories chronologically, as in first canon info > later canon info. I have no problem with Guts's subsequent character development but to claim the scene that introduces him is "out of character" while making assumptions because the behavior isn't repeated later is wrong. It's not actually incongruent for Guts to use sex to kill an apostle from the Eclipse, taking into account that Guts was also doing a lot of other self-destructive things at that point, and in fact the way the Eclipse was done aligns with that scene perfectly.
>>287328923You didn't understand the premise of the series.
Sounds like miura was horny and got post nut clarity.
>>287328042>the character isnt a emotionless trope so its bad
>>287327228>frieren is bad because she is autistic and emotionlessshe isn't>she is aacting out of character, a character must be 1-dimensional like in my favorite shonen slopwhy all frieren haters are always battle shonen fans?
>>287329243she is 1 dimensional though
>>287327228Denji from Chainsaw Man.In his first portrayal he acts like a barely sentient caveman that is obsessed with sex.
>>287329255She has more depth than you do.
>>287329255actually she is 2d
>>287329255shitposting ironically is still shitposting
>>287328635The Beast of Darkness represents his bloodlust, anon. Not his sexual desire. They once mixed, but the Beast's whispers to Guts to take advantage of Casca would've also resulted in her death. The point of things after the Eclipse is that the Beast kept Guts alive, and he's very comfortable with indulging in his fury and laying waste to his enemies, but that kind of self-destructive lifestyle can't protect Casca, nor will it keep him alive to come back to her in the end. He had to chain the Beast so that he could accomplish his goals, and only released it in controlled fashions again when he obtained the Berserker Armor, which amplified its effects to the degree where he was unable to discern friend from foe without assistance.
>>287327228I genuinely think this is a good point against Jujutsu for Sukuna, his characterization is all over the place.Frieren's is probably okayBakugou's is fineidk about berserk
>>287327228Frieren isn't out of character. She spends the rest of the story obsessing over Himmel Thundercock.
>>287328365Opening your manga with sex and tits was a trope to get readers hooked.Vagabond does this too.
>>287329595Yeah that's the one I disagree with, because that amount of emotion she's showing is regret about the time she wasted just idling days away while her companion aged until he was gone, and she spends the rest of the story on a journey to supposedly where the afterlife manifests in real life so she can meet that companion again. It was so significant it determined the direction of her life.
>>287329243No one said that Frieren is bad, what are you talking about?
>>287327228Did Sukuna ever show his rape tendencies in later chapters?
>>287327228Episode 1 Ranma was a completely different person compared to his usual self.
>>287327855Yeah
>>287327297>It is, considering what we know about his sexual trauma and relationship with Casca.He fucks casca too, him being raped as a child is tragic but he doesn't go "ewww icky" when sex is brought up, IIRC he also tries to rape casca at some point but stops himself since he is trying to be a good guy at the end of the day>Even Hori said he regrets making Bakugo say thatHori is a fucking retard and the entire story of MHA is a dumpster fire but that's a bigger more complicated discussion, in regards to fagoku nah, that is who he is but the story of mha is contrived in a way where the world bends over backwards to not address that fact, much less to punish or humiliate him for it as he deserves.
>>287328264>he hates being touched and has tons of trauma around sex.Again, i may be misremembering but I'm 90% sure he fucked casca, and then way later on almost raped her, i don't get why we're pretending he's scared od putting his penis in a vagina
>>287330535your memory is fine but your comprehension is questionable
>>287327262Guts is literally gar for Griffith
>>287330513>but he doesn't go "ewww icky" when sex is brought up, IIRC he also tries to rape casca at some point but stops himself since he is trying to be a good guy at the end of the dayGuts is consistent about hating physical contact that isn't just violent beatings. This is downstream of his sexual trauma. Willingly having sex with a demon is something it is hard to see even the edgiest Guts engage in, even if it was just to kill her.
>>287327829Perhaps not Frieren the person but Frieren the series definitely felt off this season. The earlier episodes used nostalgia as just another tool to tell a beautiful story but it has since been turned on its head so that the the story becomes just a means to elicit fake and gay nostalgia. The habbenings on the screen has been reduced as nothing more than a set up to the "himmel kicked this stone once" punchline. I get that superimposing the past to her present is done for the benefit of frieren to process things. Her history however has been subordinated to this himmelian monstrosity. What was supposed to lead into new meanings and broader realities has been turned into a schtick. Her precious experience is turned trivial and that's not cool, except episode 8 that cool
>>287328303>>287330535Him almost raping Casca is not 'proof' that he's comfortable around sex. His reaction to his own actions afterwards and it being driven by his destructive irrationality, makes it pretty clear that he still had a ton of trauma over sex even with the one woman he was comfortable with. He still spazzed out about physical contact for a long time past that point.
>>287327829Yes it was more of the ambiguities surrounding her character zeroing in to a chungus after all. A sea of infinite possibilities funneling to a puddle.
>>287327228I agree with Guts and didn't read Jujitsu Kaisen but the other two make sense.
>>287330837Himmel was barely even in this season. This season was all about Stark.
>>287327228it's actually impressive to misunderstand frieren that hard.Even if you're just shitposting for rage-bait.
>>287327829from kitty cat crying over spilled himmelk to apex predator cougar
>>287330837What a disappointing season this has been. Only my nigga Hero of the South was the good part.
>>287328633>I don't think Alucard ever says sorry after thisi think he says something like that to integra before going full abstract
>>287327262It is absolutely out of character for Guts, it was clearly written before his character and backstory were fully established in Miura's head. You can somewhat justify if because he's a full ragehobo at this point and he'll do whatever it takes to kill apostles, but it's still incongruent with all of his behavior both leading up to and immediately after this scene.>>287330535He has a mental blockade when they have sex to the point where he pictures his own rape and starts strangling her, although he goes over his hangup with touching. When he tries to "rape" Casca he is just trying to help her with intimacy (since he's retarded) and he backs off when he realizes how retarded he's being.
>>287327228It happens all the time in manga so it doesn't bother me desu~
>>287327228They become boring when their hack authors "figure them out"
>>287327228Yes. Fiction evolves. Characters evolve.
>>287330513>Like he deservesHe wasn't punished because he was simply doing what all middle schoolers do, and that's act like complete sociopaths who only believe in might makes right, hence why everyone (read not heroes) agrees with the hot strong guy bullying the racially inferior weirdo who has been writing down their quirks like a stalker.Further, once he actually gets to the hero school he gets a wakeup call in both how he realizes he isn't top dog anymore once Shoto outdoes him, but also that no one is willing to put up with his bullshit. They're supposed to be heroes, they aren't going to stand for bullies and they aren't married to call out his behavior and question his mindset.Essentially Bakugo was a little shit who was too headstrong and ego too inflated by his peers to understand his mom's tough love was to try and bring him down to Earth and got mind fucked on one of the first day's (can't remember if the villain LARP was still on their first day or not) of high school and it rearranged a lot of his headspace. Obviously still bitter that his ex-friend was secretly hiding a powerful quirk for over a decade just to make him look retarded, but is willing to start doing better in his own way. He also got to be the reason his favorite hero and idol of the country was forced to retire.
>>287329310>a barely sentient caveman that is obsessed with sex.This is him the whole manga.
>>287331065Are you kidding? The world of frieren is measured against himmel every passing time. Frieren's personal history becomes an object of representation always in relation to a conceived himmelean identity, a judged himmelean analogy, an imagined opposition or a perceived similitude to himmel. Himmel is this giant homogenizing mortar that grinds everyone to "what would himmler do" dust
>>287329243Frieren is battle shonen for people who think they're too good for battle shonen :3
>>287327228I actually have the opposite impression: the characters are almost always more interesting and appealing at the beginning, as if the author is trying to hook you and make an impression, and then just stops trying to come up with anything surprising
>>287329310Do you not remember him asking if he can keep the lower half of Asa during his fight with the Falling Devil? She even calls him a pervert for it. I've heard a few people trying to justify it with his traumatic childhood, but being content with keeping the lower half of an acquaintance so you fuck it is on par for his life and standards of sexual desire
>"Guts would never ever look the way of anyone except his oneitis"That doesn't even become a thing until after Lost Children when he remembers that he's someone other than a killing machine. I like edgy Guts, and I like putting Black Swordsman in context with the rest of the manga, I think it works well whether or not Miura himself agrees.
>>287327829Frieren antis are big tupid.
>>287328365miura is wrong
>>287330921Frieren becomes less of a character and more of a mascot as the series continues. Himmel becomes more of a plot device to excuse her or anyone else of doing anything.She’s not even the main character of Macht arc, Denken is. Everyone loved that arc because there are barely any Himmel wanking flashbacks and it focuses on more interesting characters than Frieren herself.
>>287327228Episode 1 of everything is always vastly different from the rest, because of this I almost always skip epiosde 1. Epsiode 1 of Highschool DxD makes it look like some horror shit.
>>287327987What is actually wrong with the brains of people like this?>say something stupid>can't back it up in any way>shriek "Cope" and run awayJesus christ.
>>287331470>Golgo 13 was fun onceTell me about it.He was always a James Bond-y, self-insert wish fulfillment character, then for some reason they decided they needed to make him into some kind of soulless stoic to maintain is "dark anti-heroism" or whatever, and it's just been decades of one-dimensional boredom since. It's increasingly awkward when the series still has to have him have sex with women, because that's supposed to be one of his ultramasculine characteristics, but it can't reconcile the grim ascetic with any sort of desire for physical or emotional intimacy so the storylines always have to wedge in some hamfisted excuse for him to get his dick hard like he's only doing it to extract information from a woman for a mission.
>>287327228Berserk is well known to have changed its own story tone several times as it found its footing. This isn't an "own", I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish with these directionless complaints.I don't watch My Slopper Slopademia so I don't give a shit about that one.The Frieren one is especially retarded on your part though. She's literally at a funeral and that whole emotional breakdown is THE IMPETUS for the entire rest of the story, for fuck's sake why do I have to waste my time simply transcribing that Chapter 1 explicitly lays out that at the death of her companion she comes to the realization that she didn't spend enough time emotionally connecting with anyone and decides to set out on a journey to find out what she's been missing? Jesus christ the brains of these underage autistic zoomer trash children.Why the fuck did you phrase things like "Is it okay"? What kind of question is that? Who needs your permission? Were you just aware you couldn't provoke any other kind of response for this dumb thread unless you asked it in a particularly stupid, authority-seeking way?
