Volume 50Water Prison Death MatchChapter 470: Killer Bee vs. Kisame!!Start: https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>287341614
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>>287360644she has a point bros
>>287360667>Itachi was just misunderstood and full of love, mmmkay, his brother too is very lovely guy who did it for a good reason (killing innocent people)?
>>287360698I hate women so much it's unreal
B&W
>>287360644She'd be making a good point here if she didn't do the dumb confession first.
>>287360690>wahh mental I am so sorry I play with your feelings and tried to manipulate you without considering you as a person with your own feelings and thoughtsEat shit sakura, lost all appeals.
>>287360786Kishi please....
>>287360831You do know that can also apply to Naruto too.
>>287360657>Sasuke really loved his family and his clan...which is why i will thank Itachi for killing them when i meet him again dattebayo!Also does the japanese text separate clan and family?
>>287360800Aww Kisame gave his name after seeing Bee stumble on his rhyme, hoping to give him materials or at least an off ramp. What a nice cool guy.
>>287360667What chaos would even come from those people knowing the truth?Sakura and Lee don't have any political power and aren't going to run their mouth and spread the world.Kiba isn't even the clan head and most people don't even take him seriously.
>>287360676What was that for?Also, Kiba's feet must have crazy endurance.
Done!
>>287360782B pulling a Jirobo and naming basic attacks like they are special moves.
>>287360800>>287361008>>287361020Arigatou, OP!
>>287360793Kisame / Samehada has a pretty cool power. Against a chakralet like Kakashi he'd probably be (relatively, for Akatsuki) average, but against a chakra battery like Bee he becomes jinchuriki level strongIt's also kind of nice how this chakra sucking power was introduced back in part 1 instead of Kishi pulling a random power up out of nowhere
>>287360698>>287360690>>287360676>>287360667>>287360644Is she fucking bipolar she switched from anger being angry to cheerful twice then to being rational and sane again and now she’s sad
>>287360741Most ninjalike thing in ages.
Haven't followed thesse threads in a whileHas Naruto had his panic attack yet?
>>287361210No, that's latter
>>287360676So was this Kishi's way of telling people he doesn't want to write romance?First he wrote himself into a corner with the Hinata confession, then has it get ignored. This then might be taken as a sign that NaruSaku could potentially be a thing, so he additionally squashes that with this fake confession idea.Also remember - Naruto supposedly doesn't understand the concept of romantic love. To him she might as well be talking about suddenly loving ramen instead of KFC and he just can't believe her lies.>>287360976>Ackshually, the Uchiha massacre was ordered by Konoha!>Who told you that?>Uhh, one of the terrorists - the dude with an orange swirly maskI dunno about you Anon, but it sure sounds like a trustworthy source to me.But maybe Kakashi just thinks along the lines of "the last thing we need now is conspiracy theories"
>>287360644>>287360633>>287360676>>287360690>>287360698I'm turning it around like a knife in the shellI want to understand why, but I'm hurting myselfI haven't seen a lotta reasons to stop itI can't just drop itI'm just a bastard, but at least I admit itAt least I admit it>I KNOW WHYYY YOUUUUU HATEEEE MEEEEEE >I KNOW WHY YOU HATEEEEE YOURSELF >I KNOW WHY YOU HAAAAATEEEEE MEEEEEE >I KNOW WHY YOU HATEEEEEE YOOURSELLLLFFFFF!!!!!!!’
Kisame is cool, and that's it. He's not a "Great" character, his backstory is nothing, he isn't deep. But he's cool, and cool to watch, and sometimes that's enough.
>>287360771This is what I like about Kisame's fights. He's really good and strong, but he's not untouchable like Itachi. He takes hits and gets hurt.
>>287361331>Part 2 shortsOne job
>>287361331ino sex
>>287361210Soon
>>287360725Kisame about to get folded by la pasion
>>287361241>Also remember - Naruto supposedly doesn't understand the concept of romantic love.This was a retcon in The Last to explain why he ignored Hinata's confession. He was never portrayed as that clueless before.
>>287360676Why are they all wearing sandals in this weather
>>287360725>this guy has a big raccoon friend. must put him on the cover >>287360667>quick I must come up with a reason to keep this secret from Sakura... >(even though Kakashi helped me beg the Raikage on my knees a couple of chapters ago, that was fine)>>287360716>okay female nice opinion, I will do the opposite now because WILL OF STONEwhy is kishimoto like this
>>287360644>Naruto calls her out on her bs and her trying to manipulate him>She doubles down and acts as if all this is Naruto's faultHoly fuck Kishi is just trying to make the readers hate her at this point
>>287360632>>287360690>>287341826 #https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFdJfe7fZU
>>287360751>not only can you put Raiton chakra on a pencil, but you can make it more penetrating than Fuuton with vibrationsMan, Kishi really made Raiton the best element. Naruto got stuck with the second rate one as his main element.
>>287360725It's really funny how Kisame is the only lackey Tobi has left, aside from Zetsu who can't fight for shit.
>>287360800>You've got pretty eyesMost gay dialogue not involving Naruto, Sasuke, or Orochimaru.
>>287361241I think kishi did not know what he wanted to do when it came to romance early shippuden is all naruto and sakura then he amps up hinatas game with the pain then this happens and yea its a back and forth thing.
>>287360707why hasn’t anyone invented the train yet, or a flying carpet jutsu? it seems very inconvenient for heads of state to be running around everywhere.
>>287360657I don't get why people act like there was supposed to be some sort of followup to Sakura's confession here when Naruto was able to call out her bullshit the second she said it.
>>287360716God I can't stand how fucking ugly the Iwa characters besides Deidara and this girl look.
>>287360800I love Kisames VA bros….Desu-ne
>>287360716My beautiful psychotic wife
>>287360657Why did both Naruto and Sasuke instantly believe Obito's story about Itachi? Sasuke was in a vulnerable place so I'd get why he would be easy to manipulate (even though in reality it's just shit lazy writing) but Naruto decided to just buy it which is revealed by the fact that he almost revealed the story here, trying to present it as a fact. I mean come on, he doesn't think for a second that Obito could be playing them all and trying to divide them
>>287361495>He was never portrayed as that clueless before.It isn't a retcon, and he is indeed portrayed as socially inept in the manga. He misunderstood Kakashi saying he liked him romantically roughly 100 chapters prior to that during the Rasenshuriken training.
>>287362105Sasuke bought it after:>Itachi's Amaterasu went off, meaning at least part of what Obito was saying was true and giving him credibility>Sasuke already being confused at Itachi's smile at the end>Sasuke remembering back to Itachi crying>Everything making senseImagine how much better these threads would be if people would make their complaints more even and rational instead of "This thing I don't like happened AND THAT MEANS KISHI IS A HACK FRAUD WHO CANT WRITE AND NARUTO IS THE WORST MANGA EVER!"
>>287360707I didn't read a SINGLE panel with Sakura in it and skipped to here
>>287362344kek and then naruto would also believe it because sasuke joined the akatsuki and plans to destroy konoha instead of returning to the village after killing his ebil brother
These threads are so sad
>>287362500What is Raikage doing with his wife's sister?
>>287362344>>Itachi's Amaterasu went off, meaning at least part of what Obito was saying was true and giving him credibilityThat doesn't mean anything. There could have easily just been bad blood between those 2 and Itachi might have just wanted to kill Obito through Sasuke in case he died. >>Sasuke already being confused at Itachi's smile at the endThat just makes Itachi look like an incompetent retard.>>Sasuke remembering back to Itachi cryingBullshit retarded retcon.>>Everything making senseLol, lmao. >KISHI IS A HACK FRAUD WHO CANT WRITE AND NARUTO IS THE WORST MANGA EVER! All of that is true though.
>>287362463We need OUR LEADER
>>287362105Sasuke it's probably because he never stopped loving Itachi to begin with, he thought in his fight with Gaara that Itachi left him alive because he would have felt too guilty for killing the entire clan and because he wanted Sasuke to kill him. He also said he remembered the time Itachi cried after hearing Obito's story. But that just creates more problems, because if he loved Itachi that much, why did he refuse to ask any more questions about Itachi's story? Why did he suppress that memory and try so hard to kill Itachi?It also doesn't really explain believing everything Obito said at face value. In Naruto's case it's probably because Itachi shoved that crow down his throat, but AGAIN then it's like why did Naruto not tell anyone about that?>>287362344>AND THAT MEANS KISHI IS A HACK FRAUD WHO CANT WRITEI mean that part is true. Yahagi had to stop him from making Haku a bear. Samurai 8 failed horribly because of his shitty writing. The art and cool move sets carried Naruto.
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>>287362538Everything he wants
>>287362548damn you're seething
>>287361147That’s just what women are like IRL, good character writing here
>>287362558Continuously bringing up Samurai 8 in reference to Naruto is like saying The Princess Bride sucks because Rob Reiner also made North.
>>287362548>That doesn't mean anything. There could have easily just been bad blood between those 2 and Itachi might have just wanted to kill Obito through Sasuke in case he died.Yeah I thought that too. What Itachi said even supported that, he called Madara a loser and said he would surpass him. I always thought it would be funny if Danzo had just corroborated Obito's story because he saw Sasuke was unhinged and knew he wouldn't believe him even if he denied it. And then Itachi came back and was like "What the fuck are you talking about, Sasuke?">That just makes Itachi look like an incompetent retard.He got sentimental right as he died. Contrary to what Kabuto said, it was pretty clear Itachi was a bad liar. The Uchiha police suspected him because he'd been "acting funny," while they trusted Shisui implicitly. Asuma and Kakashi commented on how weird he was acting when he returned to the village.Although most true villains also cared about someone. So it could have easily been that Itachi still loved Sasuke while going mad with power.>Bullshit retarded retcon.The art style does indicate that wasn't a retcon. Kishimoto said he made Itachi a good guy before his debut, which was around the same time he fleshed out the massacre flashback.>>287362722The Princess Bride is horrible though. You're just adding to the point.
>>287360707Are they running or jumping?
>>287341746Oh wow, the volume version removed Lee's facepalm. I didn't know that.
>>287360633>JUST...?!kek, sakurats btfo
>>287360907>>287360907家族、氏族, read as Kazuko and Shikuzo
>>287361689It's always felt very sudden to me that due to lack of shown development you barely see them interact and then Hinata's going full I love you out of nowhere and jobs in three panels like it's slapstick.Naruto reacts to her getting stabbed like he already loves her back, and yet inside his mind with Minato, Hinata is immediately forgotten for Sakura, but when he comes out fixed Hinata's the first person he worries about. And then you don't see Hinata talk to him for a year or something because you only get one chapter a week.It's like why put all this in if you didn't want to elaborate on it, and then do a fake confession on top of it.>>287361495>This was a retcon in The LastYeah, that was the joke, that it messes with these scenes retroactively.
>>287361740Thats kishimotos fuck up for trying to incorporate some sort of akward romance sub plot, romance usually has a follow upHe made this mistake twice with hinata in the pain arch.
I really don't understand what this chapter and the previous one are so mocked. Sakura comes off as kind of tone-deaf but also motivated by stopping Naruto from trying to keep a promise that she feels might be unfair to him now. Naruto is seeing through her lie and explaining why he will keep trying to save Sasuke. These are two mature characters for their age.
>>287363220>These are two mature characters for their age...
>>287363315At least for shonen standards I'd say. Most 16 yos would not be capable of understanding the nuance of "you're lying to protect me or my feelings" in that way.
>>287360793now kiss
>>287360690>Let's go, simps!
>>287363220>>287363361I think the point is, Sakura didn't have to lie. That's what makes the interaction so ridiculed. It's not mature at all.
>>287360800What a weird sword.
>>287360751>>287360942The typesetting is the colored version is so bad/hard to read compared to the original, why are we still dumping the colored version first?
Kishimoto original intention was (probably) for Naruto to be intentionally ignoring Hinata because he can't really process someone loving him without him having to do much for them, then as they grief before Neji they would slowly open up about their feelings.Of course, Kishimoto never wanted to visually showcase this, the way those events unfold was up to the reader to decide, but with the last that could no longer be the case.Kishimoto wants to keep a puritan image for his characters (despite naming Rin after a JAV), so he was hellbent on making both of them adults, which meant Naruto would have to not acknowledge Hinata for god damn 2-3 years for Kishi's liking but that would be comically egregious on Naruto's end, so the retcon was "necessary" to keep his image intact.Too bad, they didn't seem to care about Naruto's image when it came to Boruto.
>>287363534>despite naming Rin after a JAVWhat.
>>287363579A JAV of the (stage)name "Rin Nohara" predates the character, people meme that Kishi named Rin after her.
>>287363534>>287363130>>287361689He is fucking hack because he claimed that the entire time of the mangas run he was deliberately creating tension for the ship wars making a qoute on woute >MESSY LOVE TRI ANGLE.And then later goes on to day he can not write romance.
>SIMPbito sending all his uchiha inheritance to Rin's onlyfans
>>287361501fashion > stats
>>287363164Why the fuck would the fake confession scene need a follow up? Comics fanfiction like what you posted are retarded because everything that needed to be said between them during the fake confession was said. At most, Kishimoto could have had Sakura tell him her motivation for doing it (to ease Naruto’s burden), but Naruto probably already gathered that anyway. The conversation made it clear Sakura still loved Sasuke despite everything and doesn’t like Naruto and he accepts that without any sadness, so there’s zero romance subplot to address left.
>>287360751Killer Bee can do with a regular pencil what Asuma needed special metal knives for
>>287361050by the way B is pronouncing it "headbutt" in engrish but the kanji reads "cranial eighth sword"
>>287363782Asuma likely could have done the same thing with a pencil or a kunai, he just uses the knives because they're specially made to receive chakra so it's easier to use. Danzo made a wind sword with a kunai, you can add chakra nature to any item to make a weapon, it's just harder to do
>>287360800love this polite fish dude
>>287360676Angry Sakura is kinda hot
>>287362218>He misunderstood Kakashi saying he liked him romantically roughly 100 chapters prior to that during the Rasenshuriken training.Kakashi saying that is in fact weird and kind of creepy coming from a middle aged dude.
>>287361020Thanks
>>287361097Tbh it's a bit stupid. It counters the entire power system of the world. Kakashi being a chakralet wouldn't help, because he still needs chakra to fight and his Chidori still just becomes completel useless.
>>287360716>let's kill eight tails and nine tails, you know, the strongests of the tailed beast.Dumb bitch
>>287360716>80 year old gets tnjd by a single line from a teenager
>>287361097So why didn't Pain capture every biju if he had that chakra absorbing body
Hiashi won.
Obito was right.
>>287360644Well there goes the "confession" I guess.
>>287360657>Itachi "the unforgivable" Uchiha
>>287361694The rock guys can fly.
>>287364908About?
>>287365025Why?
>>287361331clans like that are only distantly related. they were probably third or fourth cousins, far too distant for it to matter. >Naruto vibing in the back
>>287362722North is good, I don't know how that movie continues to filter people so hard. it's not meant to be a portrayal of factual events, it's the world as seen through the eyes of an 11 year old boy.
>>287365235Because they developed a jutsu to remove weight from things.
>>287360633she's such a bitch>>287360657>>287360676he's real for that
>>287364286Ohnoki could easily delete Naruto with dust release because Naruto is dumb enough to sit in the cube and say "hey what's this weird barrier" whilst Ohnoki activates it. she probably assumes Ohnoki could catch the both of them off guard and kill them before they could react.
>>287361694uh, anon...
>>287360676Sakura thighs...
>>287365459The current Naruto >>287360657 isn't as stupid as his old self
>>287360632ARIGATO, OUR LEADER!
>>287363517>why are we still dumping the colored version first?https://youtu.be/gRdfX7ut8gw?si=I22u4_qLFrn863G8
>>287363220If she didn't give a fake confession but just gave her reasons why she didn't want to hold to the promise it would have gone over better
>>287360800Seven mist swordsman are so polite. Even Zabuza had a way with words
>>287360676JOBa
>>287363220Sex is the solution, two mature characters that dont get a break need to let go of the tension by sex. > a 16 year old girl that pulls a 12 hour shift at a hospital and is a soldier day in day out. >a 16 year old boy who is a soldier and is treated like some sort of a super weapon completely ostracized by his surroundings.Sex will fix this, wich is why i am going to drink more wine and write some material for a fan fiction of this.
>>287360676>third hokage says in a (filler) episode that the point of the 2 boys 1 girl system is to encourage boys to fight for the girls affection>in reality they just end up ignoring the girl entirely and form deep bromances with each other
>>287366209Why did Suna have teams made mostly of women?
>>287366458All their men died in the war and invasion.
>>287366510Based
>>287360644This is stupid on Sakura's end because Naruto is by far their most competent ninja right now, of course he'd be going on these endeavors. Actually Naruto just went on a crazy death battle for her like a week ago
>>287360698Ok but if they were able to locate Sasuke using Kiba from the start why didn't they? What the fuck has Naruto been doing? He's got Sage Mode he can punch a hole into Sasuke and take him back
>>287364286>>287365459>>287365569>>287360716What this bitch isn't saying is that it would make them outcasts and enemies of all the other villages lmao. Stupid plan
>>287361392Sex with Ino's knees
>>287363579>>287363613
>>287361694Maybe I'm forgetting, are there even horses in Naruto? I just don't seem to remember seeing any at all.
>>287360644Sakura has a good point here.If only she didn't pre-emptively undermine it by leading with a lie.
>>287367006
>>287360644>Sakura sounds her most reasonable ever>it's when she's lying through her teeth
>not even 200 repliesLol
>>287361533Studio pierrot held him at gunpoint desu with all that extra scenes where sakura is a dumb bitch Kishi could only either fold to a gazillion dollar company that can retroactively change the story or double down on his own shit writing and potentialy fuck up the product
>>287360800Kisame was so well written, underrated.
>>287360800kino
>>287361241This was Kishimoto signalling that this manga is a romance between Naruto and Sasuke.
>>287360800this page is gayer than gay sex
>>287367841Yeah but in a good way, unlike all of the Naruto Sasuke shit.
>>287367933>ooooooh my sword is throbbing at the taste of your chakra
>>287360800>>287361008Man this is such a cool fight. It's refreshing to see some tactics and choreography after a Sasuke Susanowo mecha battle yes yes I know what's coming
>>287360698This girl is genuinely retarded
I finished my fanfic bros!
>>287360800Kisame sounds like he's going to shout Bankai in the next episode
>>287361020thanks op.
>>287360690>we're leaving
>>287367655They should've put Kishimoto down the first time he pandered to fujos. Let Seishi take over or something. It would be better than Naruto acting like a raging homo thirsting over terrorist traitor and ignoring the girl who died for him.
>>287368482what is it about?>>287369077>ignoring the girl who died for himHinata died for her selfish reason
>>287369176>what is it about?Yugito's role in Kumogakure and her mission where she encounters Hidan and Kakuzu. I find it hard to explain what makes it interesting without just spoiling all the things I thought about while writing, but I guess the main theme is that I really hate how Kishi makes light of death, so it's basically the antithesis to the "I'm so happy I'm dying" he tends to do. Also ofc giving weight to the death of a character he treated as statistic and in a way critiquing the narrative consequences of his indifference I guess.There are lot's of details in characterization and writing that I thought about, but I'm not even sure there is a person that read all 5 chapters.
>>287369266Oh, also just giving her a badass fight against Hidan and Kakuzu.
>>287369266sounds interesting did you post it somewhere?
>>287369366https://archiveofourown.org/works/76615211/chapters/200520356If you have any feedback I'd be happy to hear it, even if it's just that it's boring or the writing feels weird in places or something like that.
>>287360667How fucking CONVENIENT for Obito to tell Naruto this. Otherwise Kiba's question would have been interesting to have Naruto hear.
>>287362548
>>287361241Japanese authors and the culture just doesn't click with romance the same way the west does. I suppose there are tradeoffs in everything
>>287360690I'd like to know what the original reaction to this was back then because for me all I cared about was the inevitable action that this arc was leading towards with all the Kages and when Sasuke pulled his terrorist attack on them Sakura's nonsense took a backseat in my brain.
>>287365569>>287365459Can you step out of Ohnokis box?
>>287360716I wasn't here for that gaara flashback chapter, when was it? Also did I miss the Sauskes Kage rampage? I hope I didn't miss it.
>>287360741Why is he green blue?
>>287360793>>287361097Kisame would be destroyed by regular Bee without samehada
>>287369266Nice
>>287369176>Hinata died for her selfish reasonNot the way Naruto sees it.>>287366825>Actually Naruto just went on a crazy death battle for her like a week ago*For the entire village.
>>287369623Kisame loses to 8 Tails Bee as well, people forget it but Bee doesn't get to use that in that fight because he has to protect the enka master
>>287369592Commentary on the human-caused pollution of ocean waters.
>>287361241>OMG guys Kishimoto killed NaruSaku therefore he hates romance!The absolute state of NaruSaku fags. Believing in NaruSaku requires you to ignore Sakura’s entire character, and also Hinata’s entire character. At least Ikemoto isn’t dilly-dallying in Boruto with this retarded bullshit. Kishimoto finally gets to fulfill his gay dream.
>>287361689Early Shippuden was Kishimoto activity pushing Sakura due to fans hating her in Part 1. He stopped that since it wasn't working.
>>287370069I mean he only did it in the first arc then made her instantly terrible again in the second. Otherwise I guarantee it would've worked.
>>287370089>Otherwise I guarantee it would've worked.It was too late by then. He tried putting a bandage on a blown open chest.
>>287370131The main reason people hated Sakura before the current character assassination was being useless. In the first arc of shippuden she was genuinely competent. But then she got knocked out by Kabuto's butt and went right back to her old ways.
>>287370227People didn't respond well to her (at least in Japan). Thats why he stopped.
>>287370248Do you have any evidence of that or how do you know?
>>287370261Kishimoto said it in the image I posted. She wasnt getting popular even after the push. And even afterwards when he barely used her.
>forgets to give Sakura any endearing moments in shippuden and in fact she regresses in her empathy >instead of making her likable just gives up and makes her a minor villain to catalyze Naruto's own maturity Honestly should have gone the full mile and just kill her off after this point to establish stakes.
>>287370374I agree. Preferably dieing in the war in a blaze of glory.
>>287360633I missed the Sasuke killed zabuza misinfo thread however I wanted to share this.Consider that the mist is vaguely aware that their suffering was caused by a sharingan user. Consider that Sasuke was already hyped up in many foreigners eyes before the final rounds of the chunin exams. Consider that they might have Intel that Mangetsus younger brother is working for Sasuke Uchiha of the Hidden Leaf. Consider that they do not know exactly what happened on the Gato mission and that they only have hearsay. Furthermore Sasuke is now know to be in leagues with the Akatsuki who Kisame is always around Sasuke's older brother.All of these things coul potentially make the rumor that Sasuke was the one who killed Zabuza however the most telling would be the fact that he would later come back for Zabuzas sword. Why? We the reader know it was Suigetsus desire, but to the Mist government it could be seen as a rogue ninja taking ones trophy.Also consider how Ninja in this series are aware that prodigies exist.>>287360644>>287360657>>287360667>>287360676>>287360716
>>287369623P1 Kakashi vs Zabuza shows that for all of P1 Kakashi would lose to Kisame and that's with no samehada as well.
>>287370554The weirder thing is how nobody is aware of any of the Akatsuki members, while Sasuke is famous for much less.
>>287370614The Akatsuki are good at being ninjas lol
>>287370623Kakuzu has been a high profile bounty hunter for like 70 years and Pein literally rules Ame.
>>287370641Ninja glowies are terrible at intelligence gathering...
>>287368395This manga is generally retarded tbdesu
>>287370614Ohnoki mentioned deidara, told chojuro that he already is aware about Kisame and redpilled Gaara on Suna being involved with Akatsuki. Mei also knew a rinnegan user was in akatsuki. Cee and Dee also knew about itachi
>>287371165That's just random mentions after the fact. While they were active nobody knew them or their abilities.
287362211Still, it’s weird how the “taijutsu first” clan doesn’t have any adaptations to make Byakugan more viable in close quarters. Hagoromo hogged all the good abilities seems like.
>>287371183Meant for >>287362211
>>287370069>why isn't the catty girlboss more popular? I should give her more chances to be a catty girlboss so people will maybe sympathise with her morereminds me of how Tsunade was almost certainly introduced to be a fan service character only to get shoved into the background because she was consistently the least popular major female in the cast
>>287371294>she was consistently the least popular major female in the castwhy japs are so gay
>>287369380it was a nice read. The fight scenes were really coolI wanted to know how her sensei looks like, a physical description, and I find it hard to believe that she always visits her parents before a mission
>>287371570>The fight scenes were really coolThanks! Anything in particularl that you liked, or just overall solid writing?>I wanted to know how her sensei looks like, a physical descriptionTrue, I should've done that. I guess in my mind they weren't that important, so I didn't think of it.>spoilerWhy is that? It's just getting dinner.
Why do these threads have so many tumbleweeds now?
>>287371294Kishi should have given her bigger tits and more ecchi scenes.
>>287370069>and like Sakura, she wasn't doing much>Admitted Sakura wasn't doing much even when's she's being pushedMaybe, just maybe, that was the problem.>>287370089>"All i can do is one fight, take it or leave it".
>>287360782Fuck I read it as >AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>287370302>>287370248Oh, but when it comes to shoving InoSHITkacho down our throats he doesn't care about popularity.
>>287369176You mean like how Sasuke betrayed the leaf for selfish reasons?
>>287370069if only he gave her something that actually connects her to the main plot of the show... she's average in everything, we don't know her family, she doesn't have a clan, and anything she does it's for Naruto to come and solve it later... her battle with Sasori isn't her personal issue, she doesn't have any connection with Tsunade, and she can't even help Naruto because Kishimoto added Yamato in the story - because of course she can't learn anything about Nine Tails sealing to help Naruto... he gives excuses for this shit writing like "I had no choice, it's the audience fault" lmao
>>287372622Nardo says in this chapter he loved his family so his crimes are hecking justified and wholesome>>287360657
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LkZWiZhd1BA>PLEASE LIKE CHOJI
>>287372547Shikamaru was generally pretty popular, especially during the Sasuke Retrieval arc where he was third behind only Naruto and Sasuke in the popularity polls. Choji was consistently at the bottom though and Ino never got enough screentime to register
The Akatsuki really is the peak of this manga. All of them (maybe not zetsu and tobi) are cool characters with unique powers and designs.Kisame is the coolest, just a chill guy.
>>287373382>especially during the Sasuke Retrieval arc where he was third behind only Naruto and Sasuke in the popularity pollsPretty sure Kakashi had him beat as well.
>>287373097>PLEASEAnon, he's no longer asking.
>>287373520I just checked and he hovered around 4th and 5th, trading places with Kakashi from poll to poll. Iruka was 3rd.
>>287373733>Iruka was 3rdsFujoGAWDS...
>>287361689Early shippuden was the best time for NaruSaku shippers.i always thought that Naruto didnt realise any changes in Sakura because he always thought she was cute since part 1.Sakura showing interest in what Naruto thought of her. She only cared about Sasuke's opinions before.mutual admiration and growth. Remember when Naruto was very love strucked when Sakura treated Kankuro.Sakura showing genuine concern and empathy for Naruto’s fate as a jinchuriki.
>>287373800That was his editor yahagi pushing this.
>>287373800as well as that moment of clarity when she realised the only reason she 'disliked' him as a kid is because the adults around her told her to, and because she wanted to fit in with her peers.
>>287374245No, Yahagi merely thought they would become a couple, he never even implied he WANTED that.
>>287361694They have engines and cars and shit, saw them in the first arc. There's just no roads to use them on I guess.
I would suck his beautiful penis in a heartbeat
>>287375743We know, Zabuza.
>>287369077>They should've put Kishimoto down the first time he pandered to fujos.So, chapter 3?
>>287370069Aye.
>>287362344Weak ass reasons anon. There were plenty of other ways for Sasuke to try to rationalize those things instead of instantly going for the option that revealed that his entire life's goal was one big lie
>>287373800Sakura learning about and beginning to care for Naruto as a true friend does not mean she ever thought about dating or fucking him. NaruSakushitters don’t understand the concept of boys and girls just being friends and need to interpret every little platonic or caring interaction between Naruto and Sakura as explicitly romantic and that’s why they were so surprised when the ending rightfully cucked them.
>>287374719So it was kishi himself and his hackery
>>287373733>Iruka was 3rdIruka's popularity relying solely on fujos is incredible. Especially in a series that blatantly pandered quite heavily to fujos. The guy had barely any relevance at all and held strong in popularity polls for so long. Fujos had>kakashi>sasuke>itachi>sasori>deidaraAnd probably others I'm forgetting off the top of my head and yet somehow Iruka was consistently top 10 or even top 5 in polls.
>>287373800It's incredible how the art got so fucking bad from this point to the 5 kage summit.
>>287375841Ironically I didn't see this as blatant fujo pandering. It came off as just a lighthearted joke. Sasuke and Naruto literally kissing was less gay than the cover page where each of them is wearing a pendant of the other's face.
>>287371352>>287372348Not sure if Tsunade being unpopular is true but if she is its not cause people don't like big tits, it's that a big part of her character when she was introduced is "she has dead boyfriend who she still misses"For as much as Japan loves drawing NTR they seem to always hate being cucked in anime
>>287377034Kakashi is probably my favourite character having seen the series as an adult, and I'm not a fujo
>>287377283same, he's cool without being an edgelord
>>287377363the 'mentor with hidden depths' characters appeal to me. it's why Piccolo is my favourite in DBZ, too
>>287377363That's Jiraiya actually
>>287376514>boys and girls being friendoh you were That guy who always got cucked and coped that you want to be just friends with the girl right lmao, but only after she rejected you kek
>>287377867>he wasn't friends with his sister or cousins
>>287377973clearly different things bro.
>>287376893I believe he did mention that he was teasing them.
>>287377713Jiraya gave me the impression that he was more like yoda , the fool geezer that ends up being the most powerful master in the verse and ends up being the guide.
>>287371178Because we had yet to meet the other characters who would talk about them
>>287372670I remember the rumors going around that there was a Sakura centered arc coming soon but it never realized. Maybe his editors dissuaded him from it or maybe it had always been out of ass talk
>>287378848or it was extremely bad even for Kishi standards. I can't even imagine an arc where a female is the focus in his mangos...
>>287377867Nice projection, incel. Do you think Kiba wants to fuck Hinata? Or Shikamaru wants to bang Ino? You’re retarded and have never had friends that didn’t also have a dick.
>tumbleweeds
>>287360800My favorite Akatsuki member...
>>287361097>>287369623Chakralet or not he's gonna drain you just as fast, he just gets bigger benefits from big chakrafags.Back in Pre-Shippuden he just had to touch Naruto to stop him from casting Jutsus entirely and he dealt with Asuma pretty quick chakra wise too.Too bad we don't get to see how good he is against other people since he really only got to fight Guy and dealt with Bee so damn fast.There aren't a lot of people that can deal with him just spamming entire lakes worth of water on the fly.
>>287360800What's the percentage ratio of how much of Kisames strength comes from his sword and how much from him solo. 70/30? 60/40? 50/50?
>>287379346Kiba/Hinata and Ino/Shikamaru are never shown as good friends lmao
>>287379583>What's the percentage ratio of how much of Kisames strength comes from his sword and how much from him solo. 70/30? 60/40? 50/50?I think he managed to acquire most of Samehada's powers in his own body eventually. In his last fight, he was draining chakra without using it. So at least 70% from himself.
>>287379784If you're talking about him absorbing aobas jutsu aobo was literally funneling his Chakra into him. I don't know if he can take it like samehada can. Bee also basically one taps him with a lariat which if he didn't have samehada would have done even more damage he wouldn't be able to recover from
>>287379889That's true, but he also has Daikodan no Jutsu which he can use without Samehada and it drains chakra.
>>287379959I have to wonder how well that will work outside of water, and it's only useful if the enemy is spamming big Chakra bombs.
>>287379889Seems to be implied chakra stealing techniques are a part of his arsenal even without Samehada, he's just a versatile guySee the giant shark attack he tries to do against Guy's 7 gates when they try to catch him.
>>287377867Anyone who unironically believes this is either talking from experience or is too brainrotted by cuck porn.
>>287380188Also technically doesn't he just straight up drains Samehada's chakra on his own when he makes his escape? It's either thanks to a technique he knows or some gimmick anyone can do to the sword if they know it well enough, no way to really tell since 99% of the feats characters show happen in the 4th war, but you can also argue the sword gave it to him
>>287379614Define good friends
>>287360741>>287360751So, was raiton considered a shitter ability before this point as far as penetrating power goes?
>>287380690No. Armour penetration is the whole point of chidori.
>>287377147>For as much as Japan loves drawing NTR they seem to always hate being cucked in animegoomba fallacy
>daily
Im not waiting till midnight for a damn naruto chapter, cheers guys i'll catch up tomorrow morning
>dumps keep getting later and laterIdk, maybe the anon OP was onto something about dumping consistently. These threads have been pretty shit.
>>287380759this doesnt bing any wahoo.
Do you do anything else besides squatting here and whining about the daily existing, whining about Kishimoto/the characters/the story, whining about the threads not going at hypersonic speed, and yet also whining about the OP not being "on schedule" like a job because people have lives (besides you)?
>complaining about people complainingYou're just as no-life as those waiting, don't kid yourself
>>287380759Look man way too much NTR trash comes out of Japan that I'm expected to believe only a few people like it
we needed Uzumaki bonding time
>>287379583I think he's like Tobirama or maybe an fish Uzumaki without his sword. Just a strong water nigga.
>>287370069And the imbecile made Naruto the heroine.
Chapter 471: Eight Tails Version 2!!
>>287381291Probably Kishimoto thinks that men can be better women than women themselves.
>>287381458OUR LEADER IS HERE
Thanks OP
>>287360976Itachi wanted to die as a scapegoat to preserve the family reputation.If Uchiha are remembered as victims of his betrayal, no one will think to question the village......The Will of Fire...
>>287360657It was so comfy kino to grow up with Naruto
>>287381598>creating this much waterNidaime bros...
This fight has literally 0 purpose in the story lmaoauthor wanted to draw shark man and octopus man and big raccoon... that's it
>>287381606>BANKAI
>>287381590>>287381606>"I'm called the tailless bijuu">has a tail
>>287381458Do sharks eat octopuses?
>>287381598>>287381606Kage+++ feat
>>287381487>This single swing would kill 90% of the world
>>287381548Itachi would solo this easy
DO NOT LOOK UP WHAT HAPPENS TO AO IN BORUTODO NOT!!!!
>>287381458>SKREEE!!
>>287381606...Uhhhh this is still ninjutsu?
>>287381582Fucking BULLSHIT he survived this.Remember when Kakashi said Naruto would die from the stab wound on his hand? Lol.
>>287381582rare Akatsuki ring panel!!!! remember those??
>>287381606Thanks replacement anon.
>>287381606How is this not kekkei genkai?
>>287381469For him men are better than women at everything except having babies. He wishes he could get pregnant to show those dumb women how it's done.
>>287381606>>287381767Arigatou, OP!
>>287381881Kishi 100% wants to bear Itachi's child
>>287381767>we're supposed to believe this Kisame would run away from Jiraiya
>>287381767Suigetsu level
>>287381864it's not him it's the sword
>>287381458>mfw my enemy actually takes the time to remember my name
>>287381898The part 2 scaling just shits all over part 1,You cannot convince me that Jiraiya or any frog he pull would have enough chakra to survive that "6 tails worth of chakra sucking" swing.
>>287381476>>287381487>>287381573Why is he feeding him chakra instead of busting out the eight swords and going to town? Anime studio asked Kishimoto to spare their budget?
>>287381949Probably.
>>287381701Wasn't he called "the Jinchuuriki with no Bijuu"?
Kisame... we're staying.
>>287381945You just reminded me of Maito Guy's existence and now i'm sad.
>>287381606>shark guy turns into a sharkHoly shit...
>>287381606Kisame being wary of the Sannin's reputation was dumb. He is easily on their level.
>>287381949The eight swords that were snapped in half and left in the cloud village?
>>287381948>You cannot convince me that Jiraiya or any frog he pull would have enough chakra to survive that "6 tails worth of chakra sucking" swing.It can only suck that much because it's out there ready to grab. Regular ninja would only have the chakra that they have molded in their bodies ready to use get taken; they wouldn't just keel over with all their chakra taken instantly. Still, Jiraiya would have his hands more than full.
>>287373800>mutual admiration and growthYeah, that's the canon pairing and not the two that only got along due to Sasuke.>Remember when Naruto was very love strucked when Sakura treated Kankuro.You might have missed a few panels along the way.
>>287380959Yeah, the daily was actually nice when the schedule was consistent. Too bad we have some faggot namefags that got upset some tripfag wasn't dumping, and so now the daily is just shit for the rest of us
>>287382029he mastered shark mode recently
>>287381675He needed to get rid of Kisame.
>>287382165that's not what happens at all
>>287381560Glad we get to see the coolest bijuu form with all the skeletal shit againI think this is the last time or one of the last times it shows up
>>287381809Yeah, like turning into a cyborg to launch missiles.
>>287381864Probably the sword was created specifically to be used by Kisame's clan. Like a man made kekkei genkai.
>>287381898Samehada would turn into a stone frog just like fat pain.
>>287360707Mizukage thighs...
>>287381898Jiraiya had some anti-shark jutsu in his bag obviously
>>287382029You mean when they tried to take Naruto in part 1? If so that was part 1 power scaling. You could also headcanon that Itachi hyped Jiraiya up so he had an excuse to fail the mission for his double spy mission.Also Kisame is only this strong here because Bee + 8 tails is one of the biggest chakra pools in the series so his chakra absorb makes him look insanely strong.Not like he'd know about it nor was it introduced in part 1 when they met, but imagine Kisame trying to absorb nature chakra if Jiraiya went sage mode. Shark statue.
>>287382192Doesn't Guy come to his rescue?
>>287382296>Jiraiya with prep time
>>287382244I like to headcanon that Kidomaru literally having 6 arms and 3 eyes built in his DNA must have been a made mutation like this.Which would explain why that shit was classified as hidden jutsu unlike every other kekkei genkai.
>>287381548It was really cool getting to see someone else do this. A surprising moment. >>287381573The anime really fucked up this moment, it didn't have near the impact or weight behind it it should have.>>2873819491. He only had two swords with him.2. He's a jinchuuriki so unlike most he has chakra to spare and can be reckless with it3. He doesn't know at this point that Samehada can heal Kisame4. He literally still goes for the strongest possible attack without going full Bijuu to try and kill Kisame instantly and it almost worked
>>287382342>Also Kisame is only this strong here because Bee + 8 tails is one of the biggest chakra pools in the series so his chakra absorb makes him look insanely strong.Kisame tanked a hit that left Sasuke in death's door, in fact it was arguably more leathal.
>>287381548Moggs KCM in charm btw.
Its funny that kishimoto stole ideas from dragon quest dai
>>287372670>if only he gave her something that actually connects her to the main plot of the showJust realized besides Sai shes got nothing to do with the main storyline. Why is she even the heroine at that point.
>>287382458I think Kidomaru had the potential to be the biggest threat in Naruto. imagine what type of Jutsu you can create with 3 pair of hands, imagine if Orochimaru wasn't retarded and took over his body, he could go beyond forbidden jutsu level to some magician level sorcery
>>287360761>What impressive vibrations, to ve even more penetrating than>If it hits me, even i would get a hole in meWhat the fuck is this shit.
>>287381606Kino
Kisame, Kakuzu and Hidan are the chill trio
>>287360644>You think it's so easy for a girl to profess her love?>I don't know, that NEVER happened to me before. Yup, never everWay to remind us about Hinata without reminding us, Kishimoto.
>>287381606JAWESOME!
>>287362558>Sasuke it's probably because he never stopped loving Itachi to begin with, he thought in his fight with Gaara that Itachi left him alive because he would have felt too guilty for killing the entire clan and because he wanted Sasuke to kill himThis all sounds like bullshit.
>>287381606Kinosame
>>287382710Would Orochimaru even be able to weave signs with the extra pairs of arms? He couldn't make chakra signs after his soul lost its arms, so even if he had his whole soul intact, the other 4 arms would be soulless and chakraless because his soul only has one pair.
Why is he still with the Akatsuki?
>>287382972Kabuto's soul only had a pair too and he was able to use Kido's arms just fine.
>>287381606This feels very reminiscent of sage mode. I wonder if that was intentional.
>>287381675At least he's finally bothering to draw fights.
>>287383057Tobi is his only friend. No I'm not joking. He's just that loyal.
>>287381898Being stronger doesn't necessarily mean having some super fancy jutsu or whatever. Jiraiya is just flat out super strong and stronger than Kisame. Look at how Isshiki wrecked Naruto and Sasuke despite them being in tailed beast mode/perfect susanooOr how well Kashin Koji did against JigenIf Jiraiya fought Kisame both going all out Jiraiya goes sage mode and wrecks his shit with taijutsu, knocks away samehada or turns it into stone, then massive rasengan kills Kisame
>>287381675its purpose is being cool as fuck>8 Tail Cloak>BANKAI>DOUBLE LARIAT
>>287383057Not sure if this is anime only and it's been a while.. But I seem to remember him wanting to live in a world without lies or something? Why that would mean supporting a world wide genjutsu to basically trick everyone with a huge lie idk. Might be misremembering
>>287383177>knocks away samehadaHow does that work if he fuses with it?
>>287383177Kisame uses Super Shark Bomb and a giant stone shark (not really because it would absorb senjutsu normally) squishes Jiraiya
>>287381539I love it when a biju calls out their host the way the fans do, x would be dead with out y-tail's help
>>287383166>Tobi is his only friend. No I'm not joking. He's just that loyal.That's bullshit, Tobi let nearly all members die for nothing>>287383202Probably something Kishimoto didn't come up with
Kisame > Bee > Jiraiya > Kisame
>>287383234Forces sage jutsu into his body so samehada starts turning to stone and Kisame is forced to separate>>287383239I doubt Jiraiya would let that happen to him he had fairly good reflexes and quick action against PainMy point is, if Kishi says Jiraiya is stronger then he is, on screen feats don't matter. Remember that Hiruzens only fight was in part 1 but he'd likely be able to beat Kisame too
>>287381582kek, middle panel is actually a great Killer Bee rhyme/localization>>287381598ENTER: the greatest Suiton feat in-universe, eat shit Tobirama. Unironically, this is the best water jutsu>>287381606>>287381767DOUBLE ENTER: KISAMEHADA
>>287383264Kisame gladly died for Tobi-sama.Glory to the Regime.
>>287383325>I doubt Jiraiya would let that happen to him he had fairly good reflexes and quick action against PainBut Kisame, the guy who fights someone who seems way faster than Pain who was struggling to deal with Choji and Choza on cooldown, would get packed up by taijutsu?
>this guy can absorb chakra with his weird sword>let's feed him 6 tails' worth of chakra for free lolIs B low IQ?
>>287383414Kishimoto needed him to struggle, not low diff Kisame
>>287383414he inadvertantly got a Kumo ninja killed because he was playing hooky, yes
>>287381157From sadpanda:Doujins/manga with netorare tag: 3.6%Western works with cheating tag: 4.3%Potential sampling error: cheating tag was used more often for Western works than netorare, while netorare was used more often for Japanese works than cheating. Either way, I can't conclude whether the East/West is "statistically significantly" more likely to enjoy NTR.
>>287383412Jiraiya was able to fight with an Ootsutsuki in base without instantly getting turned into pasteIf Kishi wanted to write Jiraiya vs Kisame with Jiraiya winning it would just happen. Jiraiya would out maneuver him, simple as.
>lololol why is Bee going V2/7-tail cloak he's just gonna lose it all...is chakra not something you innately produce and regenerate/accumulate? If Samehada connects with Bee/8tails in complete base, isn't it going to pull out 6-tails worth of chakra no matter what form Bee was in? I don't think 8 tails' chakra comes out of thin air, Kisame sideswipes Naruto in part 1 and shuts down his ability to do anything. I could be wrong in my understanding, but I think it'd be extremely retarded for Kishi's power system if the chakra doesn't exist until it appears as a cloak.
How do you cope with the fact your favourite series is absolute dogshit? Especially compared to the rest of the big three. That it has this amazingly interesting universe but it's marred with shit story and characters. That the MC is an absolute retard, completely unreliable and the furthest thing from dependable unless he's using one of the two power modes he's useless without. That he only fought and won against or so villains across the whole series and even then it was mostly talk jutsu bullshit. That the ending is basically an advertisement for the sequel where the MC gets character assassinated in the most retarded of ways. It's depressing, realising what it could have been but being forced to watch what it actually became.
>>287381539> yak aroundhaw
I'm not looking forward to the war arc
>>287383663i dont think i'll be participating in threads at that point, might come back for actual Madara but the last 200 chapters of Naruto are so bad. Kisame's my favorite so I'll be around
>>287383595https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9gdV7WsXPAI accept it, move on, and also one piece and bleach are dogshit too
>>287383595It's not my favorite series anymore, I like to seethe at shit manga, I know it's bad but I want to see how much good it has.
>>287383595>How do you cope with the fact your favourite series is absolute dogshit?>your favourite seriesLet me ask you this in return: Why are you posting an off-topic question in a Naruto thread?
>>287382797>Kisame above Jiraiya and ItachiThis list is retarded
>>287383721>but the last 200 chapters of Naruto are so badI already feel like Kishi has completely stopped giving a shit about the story altogether with this 5ks arc. Like, it was already bad before, but at least it still felt like he was attempting something.
>>287381606Kisame looks sick. Enjoying the fight so far.
>>287381675I’ll take this over drawing the main MC dogeza position his terrorist boyfriend
>>287381675Kisame was super underused by this point because he offscreened his jinchuriki and never fought suigestu
>>287381514>>287381523>>287381531Danzo ought to have byakugan bro, I'm hype
>>287383923He should be below Jiraiya and above Itachi
>>287383177>Isshiki>Kashin Koji>Jigen>>287383511>Jiraiya was able to fight with an Ootsutsuki in baseIt's always Boruto fans who have worst power scaling takes. Jiraiya is relative to Tsunade and Orochimaru (before Orochimaru gets his hands on Hashirama's cells) in base. In Sage Mode he gets stomped by Pain, who Kisame easily blitzes. Pain is a glass cannon which is why he used the Akatsuki to capture the bijuu, instead of going himself.
>back to 2 chapters in a thread>during the last hype arcDaily-sisters...
>>287383728One Piece and Bleach are miles better than Naruto though. MCs too. Part 1 Ruto had some awesome soundtracks though, that's for sure. >>287383828Same, pretty much. I still think about it often, think of ideas for fanfics and whatnot. I just try to forget all the stupid shit it spawned in the process. >>287383898Because I love it and seeing how shit it is depresses me so I shit talk it in relevant places to make the bad taste diminish even if just a little. Letting it all out so to speak.
>>287384616>>during the last hype arcWe're still in the chuunin exams?
>>287381503Mei is pretty
does bart's manga only have aliens as villains? they're all i ever hear about
>>287383595>How do you cope with the fact your favourite series is absolute dogshit?Naruto isn't my favorite series
>>287384811Cyborg and juubi villains are the heat now.
Everyone loves pink.
>>287384905Are search engine metrics really a sign of popularity, or a sign that people don't know who a character is so they look it up
>>287381606
>>287384563>Pain, who Kisame easily blitzesThis really where we're at, and you're saying I'm bad at powerscaling? I'm not even trying to say Kisame is weak but you're hyping him up way too much
>>287382282
>>287384800I didn't say during the peak.
>>287385041I know. Then we'd be in the Land of Waves.
What happens if the chakra absorbing Pain grabs Samehada by the blade.
>>287381466>>287381466>just mogs naruto's 6 tail transformation
>>287385055Overrated arc
>>287385079We're at the Pain arc?
>>287385100>only 1 arc can be overrated As enjoyable as this exchange is, last reply you're getting. This daily is boring.
>>287384862But it is absolute dogshit.
>>287381514>>287381523>>287381531This is actually pretty good. This is the Naruto I love, not the power creep o my susanoo bs
>>287381548naruto: mogged
>>287385056Rinnegan >>>
>>287381606This design is so fucking good.
>>287381606Nami fugs this
>>287383923>>287384494Itachi is relative to Might Guy and the two of them are the strongest characters in the series prior to the War Arc when Obito gains the Rinnegan. Pain, Obito, Kisame, Bee, Sasuke, Deidara, Gaara, Ay, Konan, Ohnoki, and Mei are a tier below them.>>287385012Deva Path got folded by Six Tails V2 Naruto. Kisame was fighting base Bee while playing around. Base Bee slapped down the same Raikage who KCM Naruto said "one clean hit and I'm screwed." The V2 jinchuuriki beat Eight Tails Bee alongside KCM Naruto, but lost to Might Guy in Six Gates. Guy in Five Gates was faster than Lee in Five Gates, who got to an orb before Kakashi and Minato, and also threw the kunai for Minato to teleport. Guy had to go Seven Gates against base Kisame.Kisame = Seven Gates Guy > Eight Tails Bee = KCM Naruto = Six Gates Guy
>>287385310NoFrigginWay...
>>287385341>the same Naruto who with one punch made Kisame cough up blood and forced to flee is weaker than KisameOK you're just taking the piss now if you actually think Kisame is that high up
>>287383177>Being stronger doesn't necessarily mean having some super fancy jutsu or whatever. Jiraiya is just flat out super strong and stronger than KisameJiraya is the opposite of this. He got almost beat to death by Naruto's four tails mode and couldn't do anything to three pains with ninjutsu and taijutsu, even in sage mode. His greatest strength is entirely in having tricks and 100 weird jutus up his sleeve.>>287383923Itachi sucked fucking ass in the only fight he had so far. His only saving grace was character assassinating Orochimaru with an asspull.
>>287385148The series really enters a different vibe after Danzo becomes hokage. Ninja village politics actually become meaningful again.
>>287381548>all of them have sick red formsWhat? I dont rember this
Imagine Naruto if Jiraiya had actually trained him and passed on his knowledge and skills down to him.
>>287381466Bee's chakra cloak being orange like naruto's is really lame. I mean his is orange because kurama has orange fur so why not give bee one that's colored like Gyūki?
>>287381606>we never got this in either Strom 3 or 4
>>287385921I find it really lame how theyy all look the same though.
Lives rent free in power scalers minds.
>>287382029Sannin stonks never recovered after the reveal that hanzo gave them that title after beating them.
>>287381898>wait Itachi let me suck off the 8 tails' chakra so I can do this jutsu
>>287386130hyping up jiraiya was part of itachi's plan to protect the leaf village
>>287385491>"Now I'm up against two hosts and a Mokuton user, that's a bit much, even for me."Naruto punched an emaciated Kisame with no arms or legs and he twisted his leg while doing it, and Kisame tanked it and got away just fine. Again it took Guy in Seventh Gate to take down Kisame. Guy was still fast enough to take down the jinchuuriki who took down Eight Tails Bee and KCM Naruto in Six Gate, and to intercept Madara’s TSB in Sixth Gate when Juubito was tagging Minato with his TSB. Guy alone scales this, easily.>>287385679>He got almost beat to death by Naruto's four tails mode and couldn't do anything to three pains with ninjutsu and taijutsu, even in sage mode.Exactly. Jiraiya is a jobber.>Itachi sucked fucking ass in the only fight he had so far. His only saving grace was character assassinating Orochimaru with an asspull.Wrong. He had multiple fights and never lost one.>The Uchiha police considered him strong enough to beat a Mangekyou user at age 11 with 3T.>Blitzed and no-diffed three adult Uchiha at age 11.>Beat Orochimaru's strongest jutsu at 13.>No-diffed Deidara at 13-17 with 3T while 16 y/o Sasuke with 3T nearly died.>Only ran when Guy was close to arriving (both times), Guy remembered his name.>Engineered the entire fight with Sasuke to make it look convincing while avoiding killing him, on his death bed, and Sasuke was a Kage-level opponent at that stage.>Makes Obito run in the Limited Tsukuyomi (Kishimoto co-wrote Road to Ninja: Naruto the Movie).>Faster than Bee with 3T as an Edo, Bee only saved because Kabuto forgot to use Tsukuyomi.>Saves Naruto and Bee from Nagato and one-shots Nagato using Mangekyou.>Perception blitzes SM Kabuto and EMS Sasuke using Mangekyou.All three (or four if you count Orochimaru) of his enemies had stolen powers, surrounded themselves with armies, and still hid and systematically avoided him.
>>287386403Itachi's only real on screen fight so far was vs Sasuke, where he got hit by the first attack that wasn't a regular shuriken (it was a slightly bigger shuriken with strings attached) and never landed a hit.
>>287383595It's not that bad and everyone who says it is is being silly.
>>287386424Again wrong. >Uchiha police>First fight with Orochimaru>Deidara>Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi>Sasuke>Second fight with Orochimaru>Naruto and Killer Bee>Nagato>KabutoIn total he has at least nine fights on screen and no-diffs in most of them.>he got hit by the first attack that wasn't a regular shurikenBlack Zetsu said Itachi could dodge the attack(s) he got hit by.He perceived and blocked Kabuto's attacks that EMS Sasuke didn't react to, he can activate Susanoo fast enough to block Kirin after Sasuke casts it and replace himself with a crow clone fast enough that EMS Sasuke can't perceive it.>and never landed a hitYeah, because he was trying not to.
>>287381182GIWTWM.....
>>287382029Reminder
>>287381675Yeah and guess what? It's better than most of this manga
>>287379522Could he summon that entire lake without hachibi chakra? Maybe but then what about the amount it would cost him? Samehada really skewed everything in power level discussions with Kisame. I'd say he could only defeat Hidan out of all the Akatsuki if you take away samehada.
Kisame is strong but alas... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hbG6NQtltw
>>287360698Very well drawn
>>287386735>>287386770>Looks right in Itachi's eyes with a 3/5 genjutsu stat.
>>287386754This is just getting into "what counts as an outside weapon and what counts as a skill" problem. You might as well say Sasori isn't allowed to fight with anything other than his main body. There are so many characters who have unique or bloodline specific abilities or powerups that most characters cant get. Yeah, a weapon like Samehada is different from the Sharingan as a power, but when a character is used to fighting and using something for years and years it's unfair to come up with some hypothetical/theoretical battle and say they can't use it in that situation and that makes them weak etc.
>>287371183Well the Hyuga spent time segregating themselves. Why? Never shown. The Senju and Uchiha spent time slaughtering each other which naturally leads to refined abilities. If you look at the actual abilities of the Uchiha you'll see fire style which is useful for destroying vegetation and land. You also have copying which would allow them to get better techniques and genjutsu which could allow them to control others and get information from them.The hyuga however focused on taijutsu, and their own curse mark jutsu. New ninjutsu techniques likely bloom from fighting new clans. The hyuga seems to have hyper fixated on their particular martial art. This suggests to me that they dealt largely with more internal and domestic issues than external. I mean "gentle fist"? Killing in a way that leaves not much evidence? Katon is useful in war. The gentle fist is useful for home assassins.
>>287386834Genjutsu doesn't work on people stronger than you. Or maybe Kishimoto still wanted to draw dramatic staredowns without care for these guys powers
>>287386463It is that bad. Naruto came back from a time skip having learned absolutely nothing new while becoming dumber, more annoying and emotionally unstable. And then there's all the story bullshit. It is bad, really bad. Part 2 though, part 1 was pretty good.
>>287381243He got slapped around in P1 by guy whereas Itachi dodged. Also while his technique was impressive against guy in their final match, Guy blew right through it and still had energy to spare whereas Kisame was done. He also didn't have an answer to Jiraiyas frog hallway.
>>287385679>and couldn't do anything to three pains with ninjutsu and taijutsuThat was actually retarded since he should've been able to just break them in two with his bare hands. That he danced around them instead of using his superior speed to pick them off one by one is just plot-no-jutsu.
I swear all "powerscalers" are just disingenuous characterfags with an agenda
>>287379614Ino and shikamaru had a better showing. They were like typical co-workers who due to their job, had to tolerate each other. Hinatas squad was just barely developed and felt like randos who never interacted I will agree with that.
>>287386835Bloodline-specific isn't the same as stolen (or gifted) body parts, or other living beings.>but when a character is used to fighting and using something for years and years it's unfair to come up with some hypothetical/theoretical battle and say they can't use it in that situation and that makes them weak etc.Sure you can.>>287386890>stronger than youLol. LMAO, even.
>>287386906This is like the new "Hard work vs talent is the main theme of Naruto" thing for these threads.
>>287386925>whereas Itachi dodgedItachi didn't do anything against Guy>>287386930Pain bodies have some kind of random "nullify taijutsu" condition whenever they're able to watch you, but somehow it didn't show up in pic related.Ultimately this is all very random and hinges on Kishimoto's mood no matter what. But if we're being real I think summons would be a good answer to Kisame's bullshit.
>>287386949>stopped and saved Naruto barehandedYep, yep.
>>287386735Part 2 Kisame would just have sliced through that.
>>287381531I feel as if there was a better way for him to handle Ao. I did like them trying to retrieve state property though.
>>287386984The best case I can see for Kisame outplaying this here is that he could just make a water dome like he did in this chapter but I'm pretty sure Jiraiya could just make a wall on his end so that the water only ends on Kisame's side.Don't think too hard about it I guess? I feel like Kishimoto keeps pulling some deadly jutsu without setup, like it's not clear if it's possible to dodge or prevent them from being summoned.
>>287381548Can Kisame do anything against a launched Blast?
>>287384905>>287385517Truly the dark age of anime/manga.
>>287386948Being trusted with her unconscious vulnerable cute body is pretty good
>>287387015How would you dispose of Ao and retrieve the byakugan?
>>287381582This fight ends in a way that makes you think Kisame should have won or at least defeated bee and then die to the Raikage who shows up right after.However the beginning of this fight upon rereading makes you think that Bee had at least 2-3 win options at the start. If ponta hadn't been here either then Been might have won in the water dome as well.
>>287381762>>287383349>>287381664Please remember he is using Hachibi chakra
As insanely strong as Kisame is here I think he's getting slightly overestimated since Bee is his ideal opponent when he can't enter full bijuu state (which he can't because of his friends)
>>287386961Idk what they're talking about in Part 1 but Itachi danced around Bee with 3T and danced around EMS Sasuke with MS. Guy's not touching him unless he's in Eighth Gate so clearly Itachi > Kisame in speed. Without the sword he could potentially just use a water style jutsu to cut through or explode the toad's stomach the way Naruto used clones to explode Orochimaru's summon's.>>287386976Tsukuyomi victim.
>>287387095He already has like infinite chakra at base though.
>>287382487Tanked? Sasuke was conscious after the hit, he just didn't have the energy to be a smartass. Samehada had to go to Kisame to heal him. Just like Jugo went to Sasuke.
>>287383177>>287383325>>287383511>>287385012>>287386976This is why i fucking hate powerscalers (and Borutoshit). The asinine conclusions they come to in order to make nobody characters sound impressive (and the shit non-canon sources they use).
>>287387125>Itachi danced around Bee with 3T and danced around EMS Sasuke with MS. Guy's not touching him unless he's in Eighth Gate so clearly Itachi > Kisame in speedAbsolutely retarded scaler logic. Base Guy was doing better than KCM Naruto against Tobi in CQC btw. Does that mean Base Guy > KCM Naruto > 3T Bee > Base Bee >> MS Sasuke in speed?
>>287382342Jiraiya beats Kisame because he has techniques that you can't just absorb. The frog hallway or the genjutsu etc. Even the great swamp technique would be rough also he can summon gamabunta if he gets water domed.
>>287387154Scaling is retarded yeah. There's discussing how these fights could hypothetically go and how the author would go around writing them, and then there's trying to measure pixels and "feats" that aren't even internally consistent to push an agenda.
>>287387154It's even worse when you get inter-series powerscales and vs battlers going on.
>>287387148>he just didn't have the energy to be a smartassOr to talk, or do much of anything except wheeze with his lunghole. Kisame looked pretty nonchalant after getting hit the same.
>>287386735Kisame is SWEATING and SLOWER than Itachi.You Kisame fanboys need to accept the truth. Just because he had a better showing than Sasuke(Taka) who is WEAKER than Sage mode Naruto means nothing.
>>287387203Actually Kisame is catching up with Itachi who started running first. This proves Kisame is faster than Itachi!We should measure the distance between them in each panel to get a baseline of their speeds and rank them in according tiers.
>>287386018Or a Suigetsus awakening that was based off his ultimate technique
>>287381898Yes. Jiraiya doesn't have bijuu chakra. Jiraiya can use great swamp, genjutsu, a summon that would do well in water. Jiraiya can trap him inside a frogs stomach and just let him be digested. Kisame cannot absorb Nature energy.
>>287381582What the fuck is happening to Bee's face in the middle and bottom panels lmao.
>>287384563Jiraiya would've beat pain if pain showed all six at once. Pain needed his surprise attack and that won him the match.
>>287387181Scaling can be fun when people stop pretending there is an objectively correct answer.
>>287387158Sure, possibly. All of them would probably be relative and their ranks would change depending on their maturity and "modes" or whatever. Obito said Sasuke increasing hatred and fighting more opponents would upgrade his eyes. 5 Gates Guy is faster than Five Gates Lee who intercepted before Minato. Since KCM Naruto got established as close to Minato's base speed (or lower probably) then it's possible base Guy is faster than KCM Naruto and Bee.
>>287387271Obviously sage Jiraiya hard counters Kisame because Kisame can't absorb that shit. The only real discussion is with base Jiraiya but I can see him outmaneuvering him depending on how this goes. It would be an interesting and ninja like fight.
>>287383595Bleach had a worse decline and Naruto is talked about more than bleach likely ever will be. Naruto also wasn't cancelled and got a sequel greenlit and Kishimoto was allowed to try out his dream of making a sci Fi manga.
>>287387333It's too retarded because you're trying to cherrypick a bunch of things while ignoring lots of others and it's never going to be anywhere near logical. If you were to pick the "feats" pages and show them to the mangaka to ask them "hey man did you mean that?" he'd just be confused and call you a retarded gaijin.
Shikamaru > Hidan > Asuma + Shikamaru therefore Asuma has negative speed.
>500 postsWe did it Narutards!
>>287387373Bleachsisters... our response? Should we just down a gallon of Clorox?
>>287387389kekBut for real scaling should be about this >>287386770Making cool fan interpretations of potential fights that make both characters look good instead of wanking one's self insert dick in Reddit sperging debates
>>287385341Dude Kisame has a sword that allows him to do insane shit to bijuu. Pain would fold him easily. Chibaku tensei wins. Pain has better chakra absorption abilities. Pain can revive his puppets. Kisame would waste energy on the dog. Remember that Naruto beat pain due to his frog summons and the stone trick. Pain has ways to defeat Kisame that involve attacks using no elements. Missles, shinra tensei or the summons.
>>287387386The author is dead, his intentions don't matter. Trying to interpret little details can be fun when people don't get too worked up over it.
>>287387373My opinion on Bleach is that it never reached either the highs or lows of Naruto and One Piece. The final arc sucks but fucking Wano is worse than TYBW.
>>287387452>The author is dead, his intentions don't matterI disagree. It applies when trying to read themes or character writing, but when it comes to fights, what the author is trying to show in these fights matters more than nerds making calculations about them.
>>287386835Seeing as Kisame had samehada knocked out of his hand during a cqc exchange and samehada would also betray Kisame, I'd say yeah you could talk about his base. Samehadas last master also died because he was weak and samehada is an unreliable weapon at the worst of times.
>>287386930Yeah but Naruto in sage mode wasn't able to kick a pain like this. None of the pains were sent flying with such impact even when Naruto did knock one out with frog kumite.
>>287387040Agreed>>287386949Four tails KCM is stronger than six tails HCM. Jiraiya is not weak here.
>>287387514To be fair that one Pain actually got killed by that one frog kumite punch.The legitimate answer is that Jiraiya is a big guy so it feels "right" to have him send these guys flying like that, but Naruto is smaller and seemingly more agile so you're getting more restrained kung fu visually.
>>287381514>>287381523>>287381531This is a really cool, tactical use of ninjutsu.Only slightly undermined by the fact that it's being used to fight over one (1) byakugan.Is a single eyeball that got powercrept a couple hundred chapters ago really going to "greatly diminish" the Mist's battle strength?Doesn't the Leaf have a whole clan of people who each have two byakugans? Is half of a Hyuga really equal to a large amount of the Mist's full power?
>>287386958Okay but what I said was factual and it makes the series suck ass.
>>287387148>Sasuke was conscious after the hitHe wasn't
>>287387471I guess in a way if you analyze the meaning of something within the story, it becomes close to looking for the authors intention.Like when Kisame appears unhurt but says his fight against Roshi was tough and people focus on the fact he's unhurt to claim it was lowdif I guess it appears as though the counterargument is that the author had an obviously different intention.I think you can make pretty much the same argument just by analyzing the meaning of the depiction without bringing authorial intent into it though.
>>287387565Except you're wrong and it isn't factual.
>>287387553I wish we got more stuff like this in Naruto
>>287387386If powerscaling wasn't fun to Japanese audiences then DBZ wouldn't exist.>>287387448>Make both characters look cool.>Kisame launches one attack and dies instantly.>Itachi just talks and stands there with Susanoo.>Implied he just dies instantly too.Sure dude.
>>287387572When it comes to Roshi yeah you are to understand>Kisame/Akatsuki are currently favored by the narrative (they're a threat, they need to be shown accomplishing things)>Kishimoto didn't feel like giving Roshi or these other jinchurikis development beyond a basic design, so he's not going to draw a fight>So Kisame wins easily as is required by his role in the story>But Kishimoto also remembers these jinchurikis shouldn't be taken too lightly and should appear to be strong so he has Kisame state Roshi was strongThat's about it.Later on, when Jinchurikis will pressure KCM Naruto and Bee, you're not supposed to start making connections with how Kisame supposedly handled Roshi back then. Because at this point all of that context is out of the window and the authorial intent is completely different.
>>287387075Have the doll carry a vial of poison. Swap back before digestion. Not too soon though. Mizukage cannot stop it like she did with the beheading.
>>287387128No he doesn't???
>>287387597>If powerscaling wasn't fun to Japanese audiences then DBZ wouldn't exist.This is plain wrong. Dragon Ball (without Z, btw, cuck) has incredibly obvious and linear powerlevel hierarchy. When a character is stronger, he's universally stronger and no weaker character can beat him or give him real trouble. The only potential points of contention are... the Buus, actually, because two of these have ambiguous statements surrounding them.Powerscaling is something that's done a lot more in other shonen with situational abilities.
>>287381701That's not his tail...
>>287387568He says "ugh"
>>287387221Why is Kisame sweating? He looks scared. Never showed that behavior towards Kakashi, Asuma, Guy, Kurenai or even bee.
>>287387721Because he's in a dangerous situation he doesn't control for once. Even though if we're being honest he should be a lot more scared for his life against Bee, if Bee double tapped here Kisame would be dead.I guess you could headcanon Kisame turned nihilist and suicidal over timeskip.
>>287387514>>287387549Naruto kicked Deva Path pretty far away. Didn't do much damage aside from that, didn't even break his arm but still.
>>287387750Jiraiya is the only guy to ever put him in a situation. Against Bee, Kisame has him in his water world. His playing field. It's doubtful if Kisame has ever even seen a bijuu bomb. Kisame also is aware that he can make use of the hostages in this fight. Kisame never has a chance to get Naruto the moment Jiraiya shows up. Jiraiya completely controls the tide of battle and Kisame is narratively shown to be weaker in all sense.
>>287387793Yeah, Kishimoto's intentions were pretty clear here. It's also somewhat smart of him to show some big scale attacks that can potentially kill multiple people to sell the idea this fight could end in a massive loss for everyone.
>>287387597DB did power scaling much better than Naruto because all the big threats are newly introduced at the moment and not someone we get to know in the first few arcs and the characters are always training and showing meaningful progress.Early on, Roshi was considered the strongest man in the world with the only people strong enough to contest this being his own student and a mercenary who doesn't really participate in tournaments, then later we get Tenshinhan who only got enough power to surpass Roshi around the time he's introduced and in the next arc Toriyama had to introduce an ancient evil Lord and his reincarnation to go over that threshold with the saiyans coming right after and so on.Ironically, DB powerscaling became worse when it was decided that Beerus would be the celling who gets stronger every fucking arc while doing fuck all.
>>287381734People act as if Kisame being stronger than pre susanoo Sasuke is impressive when we already know Itachi would've manhandled Sasuke in more ways than one.
>>287387828DB and Z is easier because it's mainly cqc and beams. Naruto and other series have unique powers that make a rock paper scissors issue but then you still have base stats and the author not factoring in EVERYTHING. Toriyama kept it simple.
>>287387830>Itachi would've manhandled Sasuke in more ways than oneThe only way Itachi had to get a solid win there was Susano actually. Sasuke was competing on an even (or even greater) level when it came to the rest, unless you start rambling about scaling and how Itachi was actually 10 times faster because he fights with KCM Naruto later or something.
>>287387221Well yeah Itachi needs to prep for amaterasu and most people slow down when approaching a wall
>>287387861>>287387828The most important part here is that there's nothing to "scale". People "scale" jutsus like "how strong is this Katon?" "can this Rasengan damage X?" but when it comes to Dragon Ball, it's basically binary: either you're stronger than your opponent, or you're not (with some very sparse exceptions)
>>287387661He has a lot of chakra at base. Not infinite, but more than any other Akatsuki member.>>287387665I'm not a fan of Dragon Ball so whatever, I was just using it as an example. The whole series is about big fights and powerscaling characters. If there weren't any characters of comparable strength there would be no fights.
>>287387721>>287387750Because Itachi told him that Jiraiya is strong enough to take on every Akatsuki member combined by himself. Which is obviously false.
>>287387861People say this like haxs don't get beaten out by sheer power in nearly every fight that isn't when an uchiha is fighting a minor character.
>>287387897It's not that I disagree, it's more that there's still a difference between speculating and autistically cherrypicking.>>287387917If Itachi could sell Kisame on "Jiraiya can 1 vs 9 us" (which you're implying he said just because he said "numbers don't matter") then he could've just as easily sold Kisame on "fuck! This is Kakashi! We're fucking leaving, he has a sharingan too, I can't be sure to take him down!". Obviously Itachi can't sell any lie to Kisame.
>>287370069>>287370248>>287370302>>287372547>>287373382Kishimoto with his assistants circa part 1 ending>It sure sucks how unpopular Sakura is with the readers, we must put in double the effort to make her cool and likeable>Gotta have characters telling the audience how strong and smart and beautiful she is, maybe a major battle with kage-level threat where she's more powerful than post-ts Naruto and more adaptive than Kakashi on his best day>What about Hinata Hyuga?>The stuttering girl from that other clan with magical eyes? What about her?>Well she is quite popular and we didn't show her in a long while so maybe we could->Have her serve tea and then faint pathetically the first time we see her after timeskip lmao>But sir wouldn't it feel underwhelming->And then she doesn't even shows up for her sensei's boyfriend's funeral>But sir she has a lot of potential and her relationship with Naruto was just start->What's "potential", some french cuisine? And Naruto only cares about murderous psychos with triple digits bodycount>But sir the fans>They should've got the memo after i benched her the first time. Now get the fuck out of my office before i clobber you with my Uchiha-themed dildo
>>287387889>"how strong is this Katon?"It's Katon lol
>>287387793>>287387827>pretty clear>massive loss for everyoneYeah, that the Sannin are relative to one another and Orochimaru fears Itachi so bad that he'd rather fight two Kage and start a war than dare face him again. But Itachi sells up the Sannin to Kisame to get him to leave.>>287387828I don't care about the specifics, the point is that the whole series is about fighting and powerscaling. That's why there are numerical stats in the databooks for both series.
>>287387872Itachi could've raped him during the genjutsu battle or during the shuriken showdown. Or the amaterasu scene. Only when Sasukes gets his Kirin setup in play does Sasuke become a viable threat.
>>287388017The Sannin are only equal in title. That's why Orochimaru NEEDED Jiraiya poisoned and why Kabuto raped Tsunade. Jiraiya was always considered for Kage position over tsunade
>>287388089>That's why Orochimaru NEEDED JiraiyaWhy would he? Jiraiya didn't have sage mode yet.
>>287388058Headcanon. The only time we're shown Itachi underperforming is failing to dodge one shuriken, which didn't matter.
>>287388089Jiraiya obviously ended up boxing with much stronger threats than Orochimaru but I'm sure Kishimoto would scale up Orochimaru if he felt like using him again so he could maintain the "triple deadlock" idea he had with them
>>287387872Cope.Itachi easily tricked Sasuke with a crow clone before the fight even began.Itachi's speed is much greater confirmed by both Zetsu and his feats against Kabuto relative to EMS Sasuke's.Itachi no-diffed two opponents who Sasuke only scraped by against at later ages, one with only 3T genjutsu and one with implied Amaterasu use.Itachi's water and wind style counter Sasuke's fire and lightning the way Sasuke's lightning countered Deidara's earth.Sasuke has no answer to a regular genjutsu by Itachi, let alone Tsukuyomi if Itachi doesn't let him break it.He has no answer to Amaterasu if Itachi doesn't chase him around with it lighting the whole battleground on fire, so Sasuke has prep time to prepare his substitution jutsu.He had to use the Cursed Seal to supplement his chakra, and Itachi still outlasted him in both stamina and chakra (stamina is required to make chakra) on his deathbed.By the time it got to Kirin, Itachi was already blind and he still blocked it after it was cast.
>>287388133What is headcanon? Kirin knocked Itachi's ass to the ground but was thwarted by the Yata Mirror. Unless you mean the other stuff... Well tsukiyomi just rapes Sasuke's genjutsu. Simply how it is. Sasukes only card he ever had that upscaled him to tiers beyond him was Kirin.
>>287388182Sasuke was a match for Itachi when it came to everything other than Susano and maybe Tsukuyomi if you think Sasuke didn't actually block it with curse mark.>>287388161This is what I criticize with retarded scalers. You're a manchild.
>>287388271Itachi had ninja aids and had no desire to kill Sasuke. Sasuke was going all out.
>>287387918Hax by characters with kekkei genkai are just sheer power.>>287387943My personal pet peeve is that cherrypicking people don't take context into account. If they argue in-universe they're not accounting for conditions for feats or motivations for statements, if they're arguing out-of-universe it's usually just like "the author wanted x to be stronger".>which you're implying he said just because he said "numbers don't matter"I mean yeah, that seemed pretty clear to me. Unless you're saying there's another interpretation.>then he could've just as easily sold Kisame on "fuck! This is Kakashi! We're fucking leaving, he has a sharingan too, I can't be sure to take him down!"I disagree. He actually did up sell Kakashi quite a bit, by telling Kisame "you'll make too much noise" and "you'll take to long". Still, there's a limit to how much he can sell Kakashi up because Kakashi is ostensibly merely a jonin they stumbled across, while Jiraiya is famous for his feats during a war and is specifically tasked with guarding the Nine Tails. Basically, Kisame only knew of Kakashi for fighting Zabuza, while Jiraiya had a huge reputation.
>>287387917Itachi never said that.
>>287388296Itachi was not saying they're losing a 10vs1. "Numbers don't matter" is a more general statement. "It would be impractical and unwise to just go about it with numbers". Obviously Kishimoto is trying to sell you something that goes beyond just regular superheroes fight results. Maybe he thinks "blowing up their cover and making noise" is an issue.
powerscalers are brown retards
>>287388312>>287388337>Itachi never said that.>Itachi was not saying they're losing a 10vs1.It depends on what translation you're looking at so I can't tell you for sure that's the right one. Another is:>"Yeah, if we faced off, we might end up killing each other. At the very least, we'd hurt each other badly. And even if I had more backup [than you], it probably wouldn't change the outcome."I don't know about you but I think that's pretty unambiguous too. What's the limit to "more backup"?Itachi's simultaneously downplaying the other Akatsuki as backup to himself (which it makes sense Kisame would buy, as Itachi chased off Orochimaru at 13), and playing up Jiraiya massively as roughly his equal, basically it's like "If we fought we would probably kill each other, and any others would be irrelevant.">Obviously Kishimoto is trying to sell you something that goes beyond just regular superheroes fight results. Maybe he thinks "blowing up their cover and making noise" is an issue.They already blew their cover when they fought three jonin without a fatality and simply left them there when Guy showed up. Word spreading was already inevitable, they're talking strictly hypotheticals to gauge Jiraiya's strength to prepare for the possibility of facing him two-on-one even if they make it there before the village's backup.
