>>287362955
no one's learned fluent japanese from anime, you need to talk to people, converse, and make mistakes.
with enough though you can obviously learn phrases, greetings and probably have enough to brokenly express yourself if you're lost or have basic small talk.

>>287362955
Yes
>>287363094
I have

>>287362955
Take out the subs or change them to Japanese at the very least and make your environment have a lot of easily accessible, readily available Japanese text and audio (change all of your devices' and apps' language options to Japanese BEFORE understanding it and deal with the consequences of it later. You'll regret it, then you'll just remember what each button does without knowing how to read and then you'll start remembering the kanji you're studying/studied and gradually be able to understand it) and you'll improve faster than you think, especially if you're also studying kana and kanji consistently (not a shitload one day, consistent)
Once you get a good flow and get a good habit and preference for listening and reading Japanese shit, you'll start getting used to the sounds of the language, intrinsically getting a notion for what feels right or wrong, finding more things you can read or listen to and get the gist of what's happening and eventually stretches of text or audio you don't understand will be so few and far between that you'll be able to reliably just look them up in a dictionary. You'll start reading faster and eventually you'll get a Japanese internal monologue.
Watching a shit ton of anime does absolutely help just as any other method of massive exposure to the language does, as long as there aren't crutches for your brain to disregard what's hitting your eyes and ears like subtitles. We want to get used to the sounds of the language, not to reading with people talking on the background.
I don't live in an english speaking country, don't know a single genuinely fluent english speaker besides me and a friend or two, and I never speak English with them, and even then I understand English well enough to have an english internal monologue in addition to one in my native language.

No, I've been passively absorbing it for 20 years and I didn't learn shit just by listening. You have to actually put effort into learning the language by looking shit up all the time which is of course, impossible

>>287364771
I started doing this with manga and am okay reading manga generally now. I have recently watched a few anime in Japanese with no subs and the manga learning did carry over somewhat to anime. I didn't just learn by brute forcing reading manga though, I had to go directly to actually studying grammar too.

>>287364771
Skill issue

>>287362955
if you really want to learn stop kidding yourself. watching naruto isn't going to do shit
take some classes. pass the JLPT

>>287364953
Don't listen to him OP, you can do it if you believe it!

Do people really not learn spoken Japanese by listening to anime? I started downloading anime in 2006 and remember already watching some simple raw things in 2011-2012. My reading is as terrible as it gets to this day though.

>>287366078
I picked up words but when I actually started seriously trying to learn I realized I knew almost nothing in terms of grammar other than some of the simpler particles. But I know people that when watching stuff in a foreign language they somehow tune it out completely, as if the audio isn't even on. Which I don't understand. So even after decades they know basically zero Japanese.

whats tricky is japs say thing backwards like last name first name and other stuff

>>287366490
subject object verb

>>287366514
You don't even need a subject of object all the time. I've heard "sentences" (usually in music) too that are just an object with no subject and the verb is implied.

>>287362955
Fuck off Narutard streamnigger

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>>287362955
You have to watch actively.
Aka listen to every line, think about it, try to figure it out, and then use the subtitles as an answer sheet to check your work. Then you have to watch the same thing over again and try again. It'll feel like you're just memorizing what they're saying, and you are basically but that's how language works. Talk/sing along with it too. Basically be a full cringe ass weeaboo and act out the scenes. Then once you can live act the episode out from memory while watching it without subs and known what everyone is saying, turn on the jap subs and try to fit the characters to what you're saying. then memorize that.
Once you've completed this for an episode, move onto the next, then once you finish a season/arc go back and do it again.
Eventually you'll need the english subs less and less.
Doesn't have to be anime obviously, anything in japanese will work, tv shows, movies, songs, etc... You just have to be interested enough to watch it multiple times and act it all out.

tl:dr there no such thing as "passive" learning, you have to actively try over and over again until you succeed.

>>287362955
I went into anime with a very basic understanding of Japanese (I knew fundaments of particles, verb forms, polite vs casual speech, that different dialects exist, basic common vocab and I learned hiragana/katakana) and I think that probably helped a lot. Anime massively expanded my vocab and, contrary to what some people say, you can learn to speak fluently as long as your anime repertoire extends beyond battle shounen.
Along the way I taught myself Kanji (and started reading raw manga with furigana) which also probably helped a lot because it really helps connect the dots with etymology when coming across words you're unfamiliar with.
Is it possible to speak fluently just from watching anime? Probably yeah, if you're actively trying. But if you are interested in learning it, I'd recommend doing at least a little supplementary learning. You don't even need to go that deep into it, just learn the basics so you start putting two and two together more easily.

>>287362955
No. Language learning doesn't work like that. You will however come across trolls that claim they did, but they are just trying to shit up discussion however they can.

>>287362955
Install Anki and get the JLAB plugin + Beginner's Course deck and then download subs2srs decks for your favorite anime.
You can't passively learn a language until you have some basis to anchor from, otherwise it's just noise. As you build up your vocabulary it becomes easier and easier to learn.

>>287362955
A couple of years back, just for fun, I did an Introductory Spoken Japanese for Tourists evening class. After about 20 years of subbed anime I was generally past the level the course aimed at - it's just that anime never concentrates on things like buying train tickets, so there was that specialised vocabulary to learn.

>>287368525
Where can I find other jlab courses that are locked behind patreon?

>>287362955
Depends what you mean, I learned japanese using anime and visual novels as my primary immersion material (N1 in 2 years 3 months), but you will not get there by just watching it alone, much less with english subtitles
Use one of the populsr internet guides like TheMoeWay or Perdition, mine kanji and words from whatever anime or VN youre watching/reading, do your anki reps every single day and youll find yourself understanding shit before you know it.
Though, Japanese subs ONLY, no english, kitsunekko and jimakku carry them if what you're watching doesnt include them in.
And remember anon, we're all gonna make it!

Not as a sole learning method.

>>287362955
You learn to hear certain words all the time, but that's not the same as being able to construct a sentence in japanese. If you want to actually learn japanese, stop reading or watching translated stuff and try to translate it by yourself. Reading visual novels with a text hooker is one of the better ways of doing this.

>>287362955
read vns
better for actually learning because you can hook shit easier at your own pace
and also modern anime is terrible and at the very least vns are complete products more true to the vision of the author

Well there's your problem, you're watching Naruto, and using a streaming service

Here's the japanese I've learned after watching Naruto:

"Baka! BAAAKAAAA!"
"Oi... teme!!!"
"Ero sennin-tebayo~!"
"Sono sharingan..."
"Aho! Aho!"
"Anosa! Anosa!"
"Bakayaro konoyaro"
"Usuratonkachi..."
".... kore!!!"
"Shannaroooo!!!"

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>>287362955
yeah /a/ is filled with nihongo masters