I always found it interesting that the main idea of this show is that "no one is coming to save you and a woman can't change your life", when that idea really only applies for low-tier men. Most of those guys just need someone to show them love and compassion and believe in them, whereas the guys that some people try to fix are usually more fundamentally broken, but because they're attractive or "exciting" they get a pass.
>>287451031Agreed, sex will cure depression easy
>>287451031i found intereting that all of /r9k/ got the wrong message about the anime and think that a woman like Misaki would save them while in the anime Satou manages to fix his life by himself (same with the mmo dude) but nope, they still are wishing for a Misaki. The only thing she accomplished to do what to make Satou a less selfish person.
If a girl is into me and my personality I immediately assume she is more broken and fucked up than me
>>287451031Sex sadly doesn't cure depression. It doesn't matter if you're attractive (high tier??). That's what I thought when I was in school, but when you live longer you realize that life is garbage, so you have to change yourself, whether you're attractive or not.
>>287451152Sex does cure depression
>>287451173A prostitute is cheaper than therapy
>>287451173No,the anon you're replying is right,you just have really low standards for your life,I had porn tier sex and a woman with the perfect body that would dress as an anime girl and I still hated everyone and my life
>>287451139The woman can't actually fix your life but she can be the driving force to make YOU fix your life. It's the same way that some people finally get their shit together once they have a kid. The kid didn't fix their life but gave them the drive to fix their own life
>>287451152Depends on the depression. Lack of sex and female attention will make you super depressed. Getting those things wont fill the hole in your heart but not having them will make you hate life.>>287451240Now imagine how much you would have hated your life if you didn't have that. Trust if you had a good job, money, but a dry phone and no love in your life and weren't having sex you'd be much sadder.
>>287451211More fun as well
>>287451031>zoomers nowadays getting replaced by AI >hnk boomer: "Oh woe, I've all the sex and money and live ez modo but don't like it. This is so sad".
>>287451031>the main idea of this show is that "no one is coming to save you and a woman can't change your life>beautiful girl who loves MC for no reason falls out of the sky into his life
>>287453164Yet he's still a fundamentally broken NEET, the woman couldn't make him not a loser.>>287452884Because they look for deeper meaning since everything else is easy.
>>287451729So it's still not on the girl/kid. They're not saving you, you're jusy using them as a benchmark so you can save yourself. I think that was the point
>>287451031So you're basically that saying that sex would fix my life? Well, /a/? Did your life dramatically improve after having sex?
>>287451031Ultimately i got that being a Neet is a luxury and that sooner or later, reality will come knocking at your door and by then either you die or you go out.Graaanted, that isn't the sole message, and that basically opens a whole can of worms but eh, what are you gonna do.Man, i should probably give the manga a read.
>>287453990I was having sex with the neighbour girl at like 10 (started with the whole show me yours, I'll show you mine) and I am a huge fuck up,I only got my looks going for me and that my mom still tolerates me
>>287454218In these times it doesn't matter,hell,you buy a house and you still pay land taxes for it,doesn't matter if your grandparents fought for it with teeth and nails to own it,some paper says you need to pay and let's not even start with cars,boats or vans
>>287453427Your message is dated. Nobody cares about your "deep" message. Someone could wake up tomorrow and be replaced by AI. Nobody cares about your wankfest that you're sad despite being rich and this is deep.
>>287453990yesIt was underwhelming but that's what I expected. Even though I kmew rationally it didn't matter, beimg a 25 year old virgin was still this tar pit of shame. plus I then had physical proof that I was attractive to at least some people. I definitely never would have dated anyone or experienced falling in love if I hadn't spent those six months playing with my first fuckbuddy and getting comfortable with sex as a normal instead of anxious about it like some secret thing only "real adults" get to experience
>>287451031>muh womenWhat a retarded take. None of the women in the story gave Satou an answer to anything. Also becoming a faggot who is emotionally dependent on a woman is the worst advice ever.
>>287454572Sadly this is kind of true. You can strive to be the best person possible and a LLM can steal your job.
>>287453990In my 30s. I'll let you know when it happens
NHK is literally about a girl saving the protagonist.
>>287455345No, NHK is about the protagonist saving a girl
>>287453990No
>>287455345The NEET was the one who went around and ended up ever saving everyone else and eventually "saved" himself.
>>287453990>after having sex?where do you think you are
>>287455296I'm 39 and still handholdless. At this point, you need to make it happen, or it's not going to happen.
>>287455345It's the opposite, actually, though it's easy to see why an anime-only would get that impression.Misaki is just as if not more fucked than him.
>>287451729Well, for reality, you need to search for the reason yourself instead of waiting for it to drop on your lap. Chances are even if it drops on your lap, you won't see it at all.
>>287457037Yeah, I'm moving to a new city in a few months. Have lost a decent amount of weight, and will try and put myself out there more.
>>287455345>>287456201>>287456339>>287457108Anime was pretty obvious about it too. All the saving done in the story was done by Satou himself, as he was the only one without an actual real problem.
>>287457350がんばってね！You got this, bro.
>>287456201hard to believe the whole ending was anime original. one of the few times an anime diverted heavily from its source and ended up doing it a great service.
>>287453990Nope
>>287451066lol
>>287454572Ultimately it will be that laws will have to be passed that limit AI or otherwise make up for the lost labor but that's a poltical problem
>>287453990>having sex?Uhhh
>>287451031>low-tier men.I like how women are the ones deciding a mans value in your world.
>>287453990I could’t even get a prostitute to fuck me, just got a blowjob and lost $300 bucks
>>287459094Story time?
>>287451031>I always found it interesting that the main idea of this show is that "no one is coming to save you and a woman can't change your life"which is weird, considering the nerd moves back home, gets a gf, and leads a seemingly happy life.Which makes me think it was more trying to preach the destructive nature of otaku culture and the inherently aimless/weak people it attracts, which creates a nasty combination.I'd like to see a spiritual successor to NHK, that deals with otaku learning to be self-reliant, identifying and escaping the perils of the culture.
>>287451031Actually it can change your life. Who would ever claim otherwise? That's not to say there won't be ups and downs or that everything would be perfect, but it would absolutely change things.
>>287457037>>287459193>which is weird, considering the nerd moves back home, gets a gf, and leads a seemingly happy life.It's not like having a gf is what saved him.His main issue was that his life was already completely planned out untill his literal grave by his parents.When doing his own thing didn't pan out he just did what his parents wanted of him.It's just that the life his parents planned out isn't actually all that bad.But it is a struggle that directionless people that relate to satou can't relate to all that easily.
>>287451148That's Batista right? I haven’t read in a while
>>287459464>His main issue was that his life was already completely planned out untill his literal grave by his parents.Wasn't that Yamazaki specifically?
>>287451031I know I'm in the minority here and all of you are girl-obsessed, but.I would be fine with friends. Male friends. Genuine, deep bonds with bros. The lack of that is what REALLY hurts.You can jerk off and in 10 minutes the urge for a gf like Misaki is gone. She is completely superfluous! The whole discourse online when it comes to low-tier men is completely centered around women though, it's insane. That meme article about how pickleball is the cure to male loneliness is unironically not far off the mark, just spend time with your bros if you have them.
>>287460045Its clear that Sato grows more out of his relationship with Yamazaki than anything. Even the platonic elements of his relationship with Misaki and Hitomi and the fact that he was open to them did more for his growth.I think the main message is that people will come into your life and you grow when you actually engage in those kinds of relationships.It's an interesting contrast with the novel, where Sato just seems far more aloof to the relationships in his life. Misaki, Yamazaki and Hitomi all just come and leave in his life without much fanfare.Actually, the whole novel is just an extremely short, droll, stream-of-conciousness style narrative without a real message or purpose outside of being a glimpse into the life and psychology of a hikkikomori.Like I said, its short and can be read in an afternoon if you can find a copy online.It makes the anime make more sense as a transformation of a short story into a grand melodramatic anime-y narrative.Also, the novel is a product of its time. It was published before the drug law reforms of the 2000's, and Sato spends the majority of the novel blasted out of his gourde on mail-order designer drugs, which make a lot of the plot points make more sense.
>>287460433Test
>>287453990Not at all. I didn't enjoy sex at all actually, I'd much rather jerk off.I'm still a neet, too.
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>>287451031>that idea really only applies for low-tier men. I love how incels like (you) don't realize the irony of subscribing to such bullshit ideas.
I wish you guys were gone for real this time!
>>287460472rude
/ghost/tards
>No longer down for maintenance!>Broken catalog
>>287451139I think that's more on you misunderstanding robots. A starving bum does not consider whether a meatbun would change his circumstance in life any more than a robot does the misamaki gf.
Old threads aren't moving so the new threads can't be seen or posted.
We back?
>>287451031this was shit and made by subhuman wagies. the true kino would be her coming along and trying to fix him but coming to love his hikkikomori ways and falling in love with him and ends up supporting him and spending the rest of their lives together while satou continues to do what he enjoys the most, without becoming a slave to the nhk.
Lot of preachy condescending faggots itt
owari da
my wife has absolutely saved me. sure, I fixed some of my life before I met her (finished degree, found job). but I could as well have met an instable or high libido cheating woman with no family values or shame. which would have completely taken me off the track and not left me a second chance, knowing how hard dating past college age is even for normal people.
every board works except /a/
>>287459193I think you're on to something. I have never been a neet but I have no real human connections. Games, anime, manga, porn, it all just serves as a distraction to keep me from thinking about ending it all. There's no meaning in my life, I don't really look forward to anything other than the next product to consooooom. I guess hikis must feel the same way. There's nothing worth struggling for outside of your room, anything of value is on your computer screen.
>>287453164People who lived in a 1st world country between 1990 and 2020 really lived in easy mode.
Do hikkis really feel like the world conspires against them? From what I gathered nihilism and cynicism seem to be far more prevalent themes in relation to their condition than conspiracy is. It's practically never "if not for X, I would have Y" but rather "why", or "this society and these people are not worth investing the energy in"
I watched NHK at just the perfect time in my life. I was about to graduate college but did not give a fuck, just sat at home watching anime all day instead of going to class. Luckily I got around to watching NHK for the first time and decided to take things seriously and work on fixing my life.I have a genetic defect that earns me ridicule from women and disrespect from men so I know I will never find love or have sex with a woman I haven't paid, or earn respect from any man/boss/employer. So I got good at my field and now have a 100% remote job where I don't have to see anyone face to face, earning $200k USD/yr, own car, own home, get all my groceries delivered so I don't even have to deal with the snickering cashiers at the grocery store.So yes you need to realize some men are genetically not meant to reproduce or ever experience love, and the only thing better suicide at that point is success. So go at it until you realize it's pointless and then end it. I 100% would kill myself immediately if I lost my current income/living situation.
I envy neets so much
>>287458928nta and I decided it on my own.
>>287460921Tell us your woes about living in a country where arranged marriage exists or women look over boring personality if you are a hard worker and can get them out of the slum.
>>287460946yes, because they make shit that demonises us and makes it seem like we are broken for not being willing goyim like this lol>>287460951you should, it's the best way to live.
>>287460946It's not a conspiracy to mention objective factors why my life turned out the way it did. I didn't try hard enough and people with the same stacked odds did better than me. but I lost quite a lot of rng rolls.It's not>society did this
>>287460995>>287460987I was mostly trying to argue with the show. IIRC the show clearly implies that Satou believes he is the way he is because the world conspires against him succeeding. But the plight of the NEET in real life is usually rooted in a dysfunction of the internal motivating element rather than some sort of perception that there is an external agent sabotaging them. I guess one could say that it's splitting hairs whether NEETs believe they're being actively sabotaged or that society is so shit that it's not worth caring about but it's probably more important than it seems at first glance whether you feel like you're locked in a metaphorical cell or that you can't find it in your heart to care or make an effort given your societal and civilizational milieu.
>>287453990It's not so much the act of putting your dick into a vagina that improves your life, more so being able to have the social status and skills to be able to fuck women and be in relationships. Could you imagine going through life for years at a time without ANY affection?
>>287461053Some NEETs are really schizo like that. Just not all of them. But I think his psychotic breaks in the show where he imagines the NHK are more symbolic. Whenever he faces adversity and feels himself wanting to go back to being a hiking that's when this shit comes up. He has this guy feeling that just when things seem to be looking up, something's gotta drag him back down. I felt like this before. Just when I was making efforts to get back on the saddle, the fauci flu came and fucked me back to 0. Society literally ground to a halt to put me back to NEETdom. It really felt like a sign from a higher power to give up.
>>287461092>Could you imagine going through life for years at a time without ANY affection?i don't have to imaginei don't even love my family (they abuse me)
>>287457695Honestly I wish that happened more. I was hoping AoT would do that after they saw how much everyone hated the ending.It would also be cool because then people wouldn't be able to spoil the ending for us anime only people
>>287461053you got that right. in modern day, he would be a MAGA chudhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1774204735949970.webm
>>287451729>some people finally get their shit together once they have a kidExactly, "some". Most don't and their kids suffer for it
>>287451211Also less of a scam.
>>287461092>Could you imagine going through life for years at a time without ANY affection?Yeah haha
>>287460946I wish there were more conspiracy nuts. goofballs are fun.
>>287461053There's no unifying belief or even circumstances among hikikomori.I'm not sure if it's a nitpick, but Satou isn't even an actual hikikomori for the most of the show, his alleged dysfunction is a lack of job and exaggerated hedonism. For all that matters, he was pretty normal. I'm not 100% sure if I remember right, but the conspiracy stuff wasn't even something Satou was truly into, it was more of a remnant, a ghost from his past relationship with the Hitomi-sempai.
>>287460948Even if you lose everything, you'll always have us, anon-kun :)
>>287460045>I know I'm in the minority here and all of you are girl-obsessedCase in point, NHK is a normalfag anime for normalfags.It is absolutely not my intention to put anyone down in any way, but if a person is truly into the hobby and "otaku larp" none of things in the show should concern him or even be relatable. Then again, /a/ is a normalfag board.
>>287461400Very few people are actually into anime past their mid-teens, most otaku just failed at life and are trying to escape as it used to be medium best tailored for that (though not anymore with the rise of VTubers and chatbots).
>>287453990I am short and fat. Have been my entire life. Met my gf and had sex in highschool just before smartphones became the norm. At this point in my life she's working a $100k+ job and I'm unemployed spending everyday playing Yu-Gi-Oh cards and watching cartoons. She gives me cash and buys me whatever I ask for.
How was it even possible to become a NEET before social media, mobile phones, and the internet made people atomized and retarded? The early 00s job market or dating scene sound like playing life on journo mode.
>>287461607There were hermits before the Christ. And the topic of NEETs don't really jell or belongs in this thread. Every retired person is technically a NEET.
>>287453990Nope. Actually prefer fapping at this point since it takes less effort.
>>287451729That’s just the slave mentality the cattle are born with. They need something to live for. they can’t live by themselves. That’s why you see people proud of working 12 hours a day and wasting all their money and time on kids or other people. They are not human.
>>287461472Very normal-fag'ish take. Right amount of stupid, right amount of ignorant. No need to lurk, you are fitting in just fine.
>>287461607>fail to enter Univeristy or drop out after you fail too many classes or whatever>hole up in your room>parents aren't assertive enough to force you to do anything>it just keeps going like thiswould be one example>be socially awkward kid who just keeps erecting barriers around himself from the get-go>be too neurotic to even look for a jobwould be another>just be lazy and antiscial happy to leech off your parentsanother example. Mid-00s onward internet made it easeir, but it was always possible. They rarely create the issues, they usually amplify them.
>>287461607>>287461738Or people who aren’t insane and prefer to be homeless and free rather than spending 8+ hours of their time every day for absolutely no reason while their life passes by.
>>287461734I suppose I'm sorry you put something on a pedestal that most people treat merely as a distraction.
>>287461472Not really. Otaku have moved on to other media like visual novels and light novels, and have learned Japanese. Manga and anime are the entry point for normalfags. They serve as a barrier to the real otaku stuff, it's a good filter.
>>287461774>xoxo, did you know that some people aren't into your hobby?How did your sub 70 IQ ass solved captcha? Did you buy a pass?
>>287451031I a lot of >the moral of the story is this and thatbut it's really not. The story doesn't even "finish", he just gets a shit job at the end and who knows what happened thereafter, for all we know he could've gone on and killed himself. It's absolutely baseless to draw the conclusion that "she saved him" or "he saved himself" or even "he saved him". No happy ever after was reached for nobody besides maybe Yamaguchi.Satou in fact did not get a gf nor got sex when neet, so it makes no sense to deny that those would change nothing. As always you dimwitted lovers of the superficial need to shrink everything down to a two sided argument >she saved him!>she didn't!like the fucking goys you are
>>287461943>he solves captchas for free
>>287461946I worry, that the goy might not be people.
>>287451031Only (You) can change (You)r life.A woman could be a vehicle for that, but a vehicle that (You) put to use for that.She won't do it for (You). She is NOT (You)r mother.
If no one is going to save me, then why even try? It's all pointless.
>>287462273https://youtu.be/oAXrRWLKzko?t=54
>>287451139Honestly it's because this, "only you can save yourself message" dosen't work for everyone.You could try a lifetime and still try.
>>287462647*And still fail
>>287462273Yall'dve need Jesus bro. DOn't kys please it's summertime almost
>>287460948What do you do for a living? It's kind of impossible to careercel past a certain age, so good on you for buckling down and doing what was necessary to live the best life you can.
>>287461400>>287461734Define normalfag.
>>287460946Normalfaggot take
