Sex should be normalized in seinen romcoms.I’m not saying it has to be explicit, but as an adult nearing 30 it’s hard to go back to reading a romcom for adults (in theory) where nothing happens for 200 chapters, only for the manga to end with a hand-holding scene. You're lucky if there's even a kiss.I’m just as much of a purityfag as the next guy. I’m not saying that female leads now have to be used goods, or that the protagonists should just be sleeping around with other people. It's just that sex is a normal part of a healthy and wholesome relationship. It can even serve as character development and in the worst-case scenario, it's at least sexier than the protagonist falling over the girl's breasts for the 256th time.That's the one thing the second half of Kaguya-sama did right. I think Tokyo Ghoul is the perfect example without being a romcom.
But anon, seinen romcoms do have sex all the time. Or they used to, at least, it's been a while since last I read through one, but my sister had lots of them and there was sex at least twice per volume.
>>287475327yes, seinen romcoms should include virgin wedding day sex and more sex thereafter
So why don't you read those instead, waiting for someone to spoonfeed ya?
>>287475716>"What do you like besides Gundam?">He can't think of an actual answer Japanese dating in a nutshell
>>287475327I do not consent. If I can't have sex, then the characters shouldn't have it either.
sexy sex as opposed to just hot objectification is like if a cooking manga could somehow have the smell of the cooking food projected into your brain
>>287475327Sex should be normalized in your life
>>287475545Those where likely not seinen by shoujo or josei.
>>287475716>>287475772They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>287475327>forceful chad male and shy self-insert femaleThis manga was published in the wrong magazine, it was clearly made for women.
>>287475327romcoms as a genre are about the will-they-wont-they, that's their entire pointif you want sex you can simply read normal romance
>complains about state of manga>posts image of translationEvery fucking time.
>>287475327Agreed, but it's always a matter of balance. Sweat and Soap ended up overdoing it.Yanch gal has a perfect balance so far for me. The MC is scared of intimacy for a number of pretty understandable reasons, but he's slowly getting there (hickeys is the current limit)
>>287475716This manga is too good for the degenerates on this board.
>>287476741>>287475716Name?
>>287475327>sex sex sex>everything should be about sex>god i want to have sex so much i wonder what its like
>>287478455Read the filename
>>287475327if you're nearing 30 and are a man, you shouldn't be reading romcoms at all but focusing your attention on your loving wife. adult romcoms are for wives who miss their husband's tender touch and needs something to tide them over
>>287475327pic related is the most cute, sweet and wholesome manga about a couple I've ever read.
I don't mind if there isn't sex but when it's for pathetic reasons like the dude shouts "wah!!" if he brushes up against a girl then I only hate it. How much better it would be if manga didn't feature sex for a loser character and illustrated why through portraying his feeling social anxiety; like that rising feeling of panic when you're in a social situation beyond your capability to deal with and you feel it, and your anxiety, spiraling out of control. Much better than falling over backwards when she reaches her hand towards you or some other retarded shit.
>>287476092>will-they-wont-theyYou mean when will sales drop enough that it ends so they will, since you so often know it's they won't until then. If you want some combination of two types saying go read the other instead is not a solution.
>>287475716>>287476741This manga makes me sad and unfilfilled as that Gosling meme.
>>287475716>>287476741>Finally got out on a date>Ruin it all by fucking his ex
>>287475327>shoujo romance is full of sex, drama, cheating>shounen romance is full of pure intentions, awkwardness, and self-reflectionThere is something to be gleamed here.
No. Fuck off slutfag
>>287475716>>287476741Thanks for the tip
>>287476298No, Yanch gal is everything that's wrong with romcoms.
>>287476741“””””senien””””” manga that just focus on sex sex sex fuckbuddies sex sex cheating sex sex like this trash are way worse than shonen manga where everyone is asexual. They’re just thinly veiled unrealistic wish fulfillment hentai doujins
>>287475716Is this the one where they like each other but both of them are too pussy to say it, so they're in a sex friends relationship? I remember trying to read it but the artstyle was just too cutesy for sex friends so I couldn't get into it, it was just too mismatched
I want a romcom with gratuitous nudity and the girls being competitively trashy. I hate how regular romcoms waste 200 chapters having the girls warm up to the guy enough to be naked around him and then end right when it was finally getting entertaining.
why? if theres sex what motivates the male lead after that? manga just ends.
>>287481111Maintaining the relationship is part of the journey as well. It doesn't just end when he sticks his dick in her.
>>287481111Fatherhood Love rivalsJob security Career ambition
>>287481213Only women want to read a story where the relationship is still a question mark after they confessed and fucked. Either they stay together and its a gigantic waste of time or you appeal to NTRfaggots, its a lose-lose situation.
>>287481111Marriage>>287481254>love rivalsThat's cringe and cucked>>287481302There's plenty to explore. Actually maintaining a healthy relationship is harder than getting into one.
>>287481302It's ok anon, you'll get it once you stop being a child
>>287475327Sounds illegal and immoral. They should really only have sex after they get married, and then mainly for reproduction because Japan needs a lot more Japanese babies and they should do their patriotic duty.
>>287481768Just because 4chan is dying, it doesn't mean we tolerate necromancy Mr. Abe. Go back now.
>>287480366truth nuke
>>287475327>I think Tokyo Ghoul is the perfect example without being a romcom.Absolutely torpedod any point you were attempting to make
>>287481815Post a better non-explicit sex scene. I dare you.
>>287475327Unless it's actually plot relevant, what's the point? Realistically the only reason to include it is to create drama, otherwise you're wasting panel space on something that doesn't have anything to do with the story.
This is why I read seinen yuri.
>>287475327I need to reread this manga. I forgot how unbelievably sexy this sweaty, timid jimiko was.
>>287475327Are you not tired? There's already coom coom coom everywhere you look.
>>287482519Jimikos do be like that.
>>287475327>That's the one thing the second half of Kaguya-sama did right.Fuck no, this only further weakened the already weak arranged marriage plotline, and made the already insufferable and plot-armored MCs even more insufferable and plot-armored.In the end, /a/ was proven right about mocking that shit.
>>287482619Make sure you get your T levels checked next time you're at the doctors, you'd be surprised how many negative things in your life have been affected by a hormonal imbalance
>>287482519If she is supposed to represent an "everywoman," then why did they make her so sexy?
>>287484186>huge tits>form-fitting sweater>tank top>drenched in sweatNot sure if I should nut on her now or after I've ripped her clothes off
>>287475327
>>287476741Holy shit man. Though, it is interesting to actually see a work portray a teen relation as nonstop rabbit level fucking.
I can finally post something!
>>287476298>>287480206Look at the love comedy lineup in YK. Anjo isn't representative at all.
>>287475327Why would Loid do this?
>>287475327If you mean explicit shit, it won't be. People don't usually want to actually fap to manga.
>>287489298>People don't usually want to actually fap to mangaSkill issue
>>287475327>but as an adult nearing 30 it’s hard to go back to reading a romcom for adults (in theory)Go read a book or watch a movie, instead of trying to find fulfillment in a medium that's aimed at 20-year-olds and younger, even when branded as 'seinen'. Also, the fact that you think 'sex' is a sign of maturity just goes to show how immature you really are, despite your age.
>>287491168No, I like manga.>a medium that's aimed at 20-year-oldsBut 20-year-olds are having sex, you're just an exception.
>>287475327There's either a lack of understanding or a lack of interest in eroticism when it comes to male targeted manga.Romance is all about intimacy shared, and if they don't show that, how else am I supposed to take anything involving it seriously. And I don't necessarily mean benis in bagina. It's about the mutual want becoming physical. Both sides needing the other so much it shows in all they do, no matter if they consciously wanted that or not. A hand that grips too hard, a gaze that lingers too long. Even that holds tension
>>287475327Well, it's a nice coincidence that this thread is up. Yesterday I received a drawing that I commissioned from the mangaka herself.https://files.catbox.moe/ip96e4.png
>>287481766I am literally married and have a child, with another on the way. Let me repeat: Nobody but women gives a fuck about a relationship after the confession, kiss, and sex. What is compelling about it? "Oh look they went on a date again" "oh hey theyre sitting around on a thursday night watching some shitty movie off netflix and giggling about it" "oh jeez, they got into a spat over something stupid, I wonder if theyll le break up???"It is pointless. Again, they either stay together (waste of time for the reader) or they break up over dumb shit (even bigger waste of time for the reader that renders the entire work pointless). You THINK you want to see more afterwards, but you dont. It would get old extremely fast. There is a reason that shit like what you are describing only happens in shoujo and women's romance in general. You're describing the type of trtipe that happens in Grey's Anatomy.
>>287492477You're just jaded
>>287492588No, Im just right. If it was something men cared about, it would be a staple of romcoms. It isnt. At all. Because the only ones that care about it is women, because they love that relationship drama shit. Men dont. The meat of the work is the journey to confession and consummation. Then we want a happily ever after. Like maybe a few chapters of them being mushy would be nice, but anything outside of a few chapters of fluff gets stale because you have effectively removed all conflict. The only way to keep it going is to spark drama and and the stakes that they might not make it after all, which feels fucking shitty. I dont want that. I want to see a couple happy. I want a montage of them going on dates, laughing, holding hands, wedding, then the wife being preggers or already having kids, or both. I dont want 60 chapters of mush. I dont want 60 chapters of melodrama and teasing that they totally might break up. And I certainly dont want to see them actually break up. I dont want Grey's fucking Anatomy. Have the happy ending and move on.
>>287475327Im 35 and married. I dont have this problem. I miss when ecchi wasnt just porn. Call me a prude, but nip works shouldnt devolve into the degeneracy that plagues the west. Let it be its own thing. You have doujins for an outlet... well at least you used to, because the doujin industry got taken over by gachashit. But yea, it doesnt bother me
>>287492778We can agree about the drama part at least. But you can definitely have a story post-sex without any will-they-won't they or shitty melodrama. Did you read any of the manga posted itt?
>>287492778It's not a staple of japanese romcoms, perhaps. But much of the appeal of slice of life series is watching couples going steady in their lives, and you had and have loads of western tv series based around married couples (bewitched, addams family, flintsones, jetsons, simpsons, etc.). But all those series rely on a static baseline that isn't allowed to change over time, to allow viewers to pick up any episode they want.The real problem is that a series folowing a couple from the time they met to the time they have raise their children requires a scope far beyond what most viewers are willing to follow, and the few sucessful examples i can think off (dragonball, yozakura family, elusive samurai) put the romance aspect in the background in favour of action, or they compress the romance into a montage like in the first few minutes of UP.
>>287493172>and you had and have loads of western tv series based around married couples (bewitched, addams family, flintsones, jetsons, simpsons, etc.).NTA but the difference there was that they were couples at onset. It was just SoL sitcom.>The real problem is that a series folowing a couple from the time they met to the time they have raise their children requires a scope far beyond what most viewers are willing to follow, and the few sucessful examples i can think off (dragonball, yozakura family, elusive samurai) put the romance aspect in the background in favour of actionYes, its exactly that. It doesnt work as the primary focus when the primary motivator at the start is a "why the wont they". You basically have to write something completely different the moment they hook up.
>>287487283Sauce?
>>287476741I wish I experienced this...
>>287475327>It's just that sex is a normal part of a healthy and wholesome relationshipMost seinen romcoms ends when they get to that point.The whole point of most of them is that they are obviously made for each other, but hilarity ensues.
>>287492843Agree but what's degenerate about the two main characters having sex by the end of the series?
>>287491973Neat!
>>287495310Chikasugiru Futari, started this year.
>>287497938Girl is too much of an airhead but it was a very cute read.
>>287475327There are so many jokes and fun dramatic moments that occur during and around sex, of course they should be fucking in certain manga to get those stories across
>>287492843>sex between people that love each other is degenerateI feel sorry for your wife.
>>287476741This page is an act of aggression upon me and my shriveled and defective soul
>casual sex and sex before marriage is le good because… IT JUST IS OK?!?!?
>>287499176Just hop on VRChat and grab a big tittied anime fuck buddy (male). I heard the Japanese ones actually stay silent instead of making constant AGP moans.
>>287499286>Needing another man's permission to fuck your wifeHow cucked can you get?
>>287499316i'm also from a shithole country so i can't afford such escapism
>>287476741>that picpicked up.very few current serialisation can portray such raw eroticism.
>>287492477>I am literally married and have a child, with another on the way. Let me repeat: Nobody but women gives a fuck about a relationship after the confession, kiss, and sex.You just have shit taste. Also popularity is a bad judge, I don't care about nekketsu.
>>287480366do they still make those, feels like I haven't read one in ten years
>>287475327Im on the entirely opposite pole. Romance should be about romance. Sex is the epitome of love so it shouldn't be casually thrown away. That's dog romance
>>287476741>fluids allover the placeImagine the smell
>>287491973No shit? Big props.
>>287479314Teenagers deal with alienation, depression, a sense of not belonging....but it feels like in Manga you always need to have the guy fixed by a girl instead of asking for professional help, or they have a super exaggerated 1 in a million bullying case
>>287480366This.I actually dropped several romcoms because once sex happened it simply had nothing to offer.
>>287491973oh shit,thanks, how much? And when is she doing something new?
>>287495885irl you fuck like once, MAYBE twice then you are more interested in food or a nap.
>>287501137Depends on the setup. As long as you don't have any active responsibilities and no reason to leave the house and both of you actually enjoy having sex then you can just fuck the whole day.
>>28750095823.000 yens, she has a skeb with open commissions. Anyone can request a drawing, she just take her sweet time.>And when is she doing something new?How am I supposed to know?
>>287475327stinky
>>287500419>instead of asking for professional helpdo you think this is uncommon?
>>287499176why did asper kanojo grow a goatee
>>287475782Lol based and only correct take
I want a romcom that starts with an already established harem and the story is about the girls trying to one up each other and the guy trying to rest his penis.
>>287475782\thread
>>287475782The world does not revolve around you.
>>287476010Why do we assume fuck quality?
>>287501928To help a shogi boy
>>287503659isn't that just Golden Boy?
>>287490887I mean, if it's hot enough, you don't even need sex.
>>287505687not even close
>>287480366Based
>>287480366I have a mighty need for short-haired tomboys with abs and I will gladly accept manna from heaven.
>>287475327Because sex = end of romance. After that you have to create bullshit drama and threaten to withdraw sex to continue romance, or have characters cheat on each other to add more promises of sex and therefore more romance
>>287475327There should be a school romcom that begins with the MC ejaculating in the FMC
>>287495885No you don’t.>>287501137 is right. Yes, there are days like >>287501195, but it DOES slow down and the glory/pain of the relationship is two people
>>287506994The series posted here prove that's not necessarily true.
>>287506913sexo
>>287476298Wait, the guy is the one who's too scared and nervous to have sex while the girl slowly eases him into it instead of the other way around? What the fuck happened that this is what's being made now? Is he at least the one giving hickeys?
>>287475782>>287504874I guess there was someone you forgot to ask.
>>287510072It's exactly the same. Anon just likes generic pathetic self inserts and trashy gyarus.
>>287475327>mangakeks literally kill themselves to see one thing that don't end after confession and show the couple life, sex and cute moments of them togetherAs a VNgod, I literally don’t understand this problem since that is guaranteed and expected for every single VN. This is the equivalent of living in the first world and seeing people in the third world complaining about their life problems.
>>287481111then the aliens invade at they become a battle couple
>>287476741Whats unrealistic about this is the girl having the enthusiasm and horniness level of a whore while being a teen. If you have ever had any sex you quickly learn that girls are lazy bums who cannot ride your dick. They cant even hold the squad for 10 seconds.
>>287511533SameI can't get enough of stuff like >>287485591Mind you a lot of those VNs do some other kind of drama like sports or a character is dying of space AIDS or whateverBut my favorite game is a straight-forward relationship simulator with next to no drama (Kakyuusei)
>>287511667You should read more moege/charage. There’s very little drama. the focus is on romance.
>>287511667Kakyuusei and the likes are pretty mid, their selling point is offering quantity over quality. Visual novels with 3 to 5 heroines have more time to make them memorable. Also I wouldn't call Kakyuusei drama-free when you can date prostitutes and girls with boyfriends.
>>287475716>Sex friend settings>Look inside>It's basically a basic school setting romcom willtheywontthey slop except you replace school with work and school activities with sex I don't know what I expected...
>>287511667>>287511949Kakyuusei leans more toward the dating sim side than VNs. Games like Amagami and Tokimeki Memorial focus more on gameplay, stats, and building relationships with lots of choices than on a linear story.
>>287475327Opposite for me, romance stories usually stop being interesting after they fuck
>>287512202But the rarely do it unless the story is about sex.
>>287511981all sefuren stories are trashy
>>287511917>>287511667The greatest romance story of all time (only the true ending though)
>>287475782this
>>287515971>aiieeeeeee two 10/10 girls are in love with me but I can choose between them, my life is so miserableCC would have only lasted five minutes if Haruki had had half a spine. I know Setsuna was partly to blame for getting between them, but there's no way the most popular girl in the school would spend three years obsessing over a guy she dated for a few weeks before he cheated on her with her bestie.
>>287475327>as an adult nearing 30 it’s hard to go back to reading a romcom for adults (in theory) where nothing happens for 200 chaptersbut I'm a 30+ virgin, anon. How can I relate?
>>287475716Read it until the mixer and got fucking bored.It's just trash but with sex.Shounenshit for virgins is better because there's at least a factor of entertainment to it.You're not a mature adult for reading crap like this.At least read something that puts a modicum of effort into its characters.
>>287516644>At least read something that puts a modicum of effort into its characters.Pic unrelated
Source on OPs panel?
>>287517138Ase to Sekken, best romance manga in my opinion
>>287518350Thanks broskiI google'd op panel but got some weird kids stuff
>>287518881Just so you know, chapter 1 is a bit weak and retarded because the series started as a oneshot. It gets better after that.
>>287515971>greatest romance story of all timeehhhh.... maybe if you think that romance stories should be brazilian telenovelas
>Sex has to be featured! Just because!Why does everything have to revolve around sex and sex?
>>287519453Because 99% of couples have sex, and it’s the most realistic and raw expression of love and connection two human beings can have. I don’t know how you can take a romance story seriously without it. It’s like reading something meant for a 5-year-old to fall asleep to.
>>287519453Why not?
>>287519453If the couple are adults, they are having sex. If the couple are high-schoolers, they are having sex. If the couple spend the entire manga will-they-won't-they, it's a nightmare of a holding pattern because it took them 6 months of dating to fucking kiss.
>>287519453sex and intimacy are intertwined fully, puriteen
>>287519453Even if there's no explicit sex shown, most romcoms completely shy away from acknowledging any sort of physical attraction or intimacy, and even in ecchislop, none of it is tasteful eroticism, just bouncing boobs and ass for the heck of it. Where's the perfectly shaped crook of her neck, the gentle vulnerability of a girl's naps? It's all just chaste near-platonic
>>287475782Based
>>287521539It's so bad that 14-sai no Koi just having the main highschool couple actually engage in simple skinship feels fucking ground breaking. Even though they never really get it on in the manga itself, then feeling physically drawn to each other and wanting to be touching is such a rare thing to see.
>>287475327Tales of wedding rings is mostly generic isekai, but executed the romance very well and the story kept going beyond them getting together.
>>287521847One thing I never expected as a former khv is just how warm another person's body can be. Even smaller acts like neck kisses, spooning, or even washing each other's hair convey a mountain of information
>>287484040At least my skin isn't the color of shit like yours
>>287521847I read this one recently. Like usual, it was ruined by side couples.
>Sex should be normalized in all romcomsFixed
>>287523429Is it illegal for a man to take the initiative in this type of manga?
>>287522439>former khvHow did that happened?
>>287475963this
>>287523429Put it at the end if it can't be earlier. What's the worst that can happen then, they can't lose enough readers to matter if the end is already planed, and maybe it helps instead.
>>287516292/A/non, somebody with half a spine wouldn´t get so obssesed with the Autistic Big Booba Pianist Girl in first place (this applies with Setsuna lesbian desire for Kazusa too). Takeya always was right, Kazusa Touma was a fucking pile of trash and Kazusa actions in Coda proved beyond any reasonable doubt who Based Takeya was always right about that crazy whore.
>>287506994>Because sex = end of romanceThis dude never read Kou iu no gaii where the main characters not just have sex in chapter 3, they are not even virgins and both the MC and the FMC had seggs with other people -like the picrel´s girl-
>>287521847>14-sai no Koi just having the main highschool couple actually engage in simple skinship feels fucking ground breakingIn this case you will like Shikimori is not just a cutie, that series literally has much more scenes of skinship than of kisses
>>287476010jokes on him, people in general do not care for sex in their media outside of baseline lust, anything stronger than that just insults people who don't have healthy sex lives and annoys the sex havers who understand it because they've been there done that it's not new or exciting to them so it's not worth it in the long run to detail sex outside of basic lust provoking images by showing it on screen or implying it off screen. Look, I'll be honest, when a couple has sex it becomes boring and unrelitable to me, like I'm looking at strangers, Uzuki-chan used to be something I read alot but then they started having sex and I felt like I was reading about strangers,they weren't the same characters anymore and it felt like the story was lying to me by pretending they were.
>>287476010>I think so too.
>>287528525Yeah anon, I'm sure no one would fall profusely in love with a big booba kurokami himecut.Touma is the best choice, but I would settle for either of them. Or the bitchy kouhai.
>>287492477Man, look at this guy and tell me that women have very high standards
>>287476010>tomino: weirdest shit you've ever read>anno: i think so too
Sex lowers the mediums quality if you were a real yearner of the arts you would understand this
>>287492778>I I I I I I I I
>>287521847>Even though they never really get it on in the manga itselfBut they do, in chapter 47.>>287523225While I didnt care for the yuri couple, I liked the student and the teacher one....but then the author went and ruined it, first by not having any tangible progress in the story past a certain point and then adding insult to injury by making an entire spinoff that only spins the wheel and where there is NO progress at all.
>>287523429I find it innatural how often the subject comes up there but they somehow don't find the time to do it. It feels artificial.
>>287528644>Kou iu no gaiithis barely counts as a story at this point, it's just hentai with slightly more interesting conversations.
>>287528735See >>287524794
>>287506994>sex = end of romanceSounds more like sex = end of anon interest.
>>287528644>This dude never read Kou iu no gaii where the main characters not just have sex in chapter 3, they are not even virgins and both the MC and the FMC had seggs with other people -like the picrel´s girl-And why would any anon read normalfag vomit like that?
>>287475327I'll tell you the kind of sex that should be normalized within manga: the one that involves women past their ideal weight and age.
>>287523429
>>287475327>3-day-old tourist thread>>287535831Indeed
>>287485591I will never have this.
>>287533945>But they do, in chapter 47.Entirely off-screen as god intended.
Jimikos own me sex
>>287540436They don't, autismal smell-san.
>>287475327I haven't read the back half of Kaguya and probably never will thanks to no adapt ever happening now. I agree though and don't have much to add. I'm a purityfag too but if a good romance can get me rooting for the girl I don't really get triggered when she's used goods now because she got what she's been striving for. Even something like You And I Are Polar Opposites with just puppy love affection from the get-go is so much better to me than classic stuff banking on only tension and blushing instead.
>>287541838>>287483054
>>287541838>polar opposites>being good at anything
>>287536737Dayum shame.
>>287535831Normalfags don't read it. It's not very popular.
>>287542665The less translations a series has the better.
>>287529269>Look, I'll be honest, when a couple has sex it becomes boring and unrelitable to meBut why?
>>287546369because they are no longer reliable and understandable to me thus I lose interest, I get that it's a personal problem because my emotionally stunted 37 year old ass never grew enough to pursue relationships let alone have friendships and sex.
>>287475327>dyed hair man she just met fucks her in the very first chapter>they're not even datingHecking wholesome, dude.
>>287547337He doesn't dye his hair
>>287476046>wrong magazineNo such thing. Shy girls are top-tier.
>>287549144Based. There aren't enough of them. Since every male character in a romcom has to be a spineless faggot by mandate, authors rarely write main heroines that are outwardly shy and submissive.
>>287492778>If it was something men cared about, it would be a staple of romcomsMen don't care about romcoms. There is no active male targeted romcom subgenre in the west. Romcoms are considered a chick thing. There's a niche for it now in Japan but even 20 years ago it was barely a thing. Romcoms are historically a shoujo thing.
>>287550031>Romcoms are historically a shoujo thing
